belbearvan |
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I'm playing a negative energy cleric with the command undead feat. Reading the feat it states:
Using foul powers of necromancy, you can command undead creatures, making them into your servants...As a standard action, you can use one of your uses of channel negative energy to enslave undead within 30 feet. Undead receive a Will save to negate the effect... Undead that fail their saves fall under your control, obeying your commands to the best of their ability, as if under the effects of control undead. Intelligent undead receive a new saving throw each day to resist your command... If an undead creature is under the control of another creature, you must make an opposed Charisma check whenever your orders conflict.
The line "Intelligent undead receive a new saving throw each day to resist your command" clearly implies that duration can be measured in days; but doesn't actually state it.
However the line "obeying your commands to the best of their ability, as if under the effects of control undead" is clearly focused on their actions, but might also be related to duration. This led me to look at the 7th level spell Control Undead for duration but the spell is measured as 1 minute/level. So it would take a 3600+ level caster to start measuring in days, it doesn't make sense.
I'll also note that the 2nd level spell:Command Undead (same name as the Feat!) has a duration of 1 day/level (but it does a really poor job of controlling undead).
So I see 3 possibilities
1) the feat should be referring to duration and control as per spell:Control Undead (and the feat has an erratta sentence).
2) the feat should be referring to duration and control as per spell:Command Undead rather than spell:Control Undead?
3) the feat should be referring to duration as per spell:Command Undead, while actions are as per spell:Control Undead?
I'm hoping for a definitive statement from Paizo; or if this is already resolved, then a link to the thread (from anyone).
Thanks in advance
Beckett |
It is permenant. For intelegent undead, that is until they save or die. For nonintelligent undead that is until they are destroyed.
In either case, you can release an undead in order to get another one (or just don't want it anymore).
I don't have my book infront of me to check, so I may be thinking of a different thing, but in 3E, a cleric rebuked and commanded undead. It wasn't a feat, you just got both with negative energy. When you attempted to Rebuke Undead, they would stand in awe for 1 rounds. However, if the clerics cleric level were twice as high as the undead's HD, they were instead commanded. Until dead or released. In Pathfinder, it became a feat.
belbearvan |
It is permenant. For intelegent undead, that is until they save or die. For nonintelligent undead that is until they are destroyed.
In either case, you can release an undead in order to get another one (or just don't want it anymore).
That sounds great, but where do I find it identified in the rules to prove it to my DM?
I agree with you on what it was back in 3E and 3.5E, but what it is now isn't always the same.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
James Jacobs Creative Director |
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James Jacobs wrote:It is indeed permanent (or until an intelligent undead makes its daily save).It's good to have the people in charge taking an active role in rules clarifications.
Thanks you James.
No prob! Now go build up your army of the dead! Use them in good health, and drive your enemies before you! :-)