Definitely the first three; bard, sorcerer and wizard. There is some debate whether a rogue with major magic can use arcane strike. So it would come under GM decree to whether it would be allowed or not. Given it would never be better than a +1 on damage since the rogue casting does not scale I personally would allow it.
Doug
Rogues with Minor/Major Magic don't cast spells. They have spell-like abilities that mimic spells. They aren't require to provide V,S,M, or F components. Armor never affects a spell-like ability, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell. (pg 221 Core Rulebook)
I'd say no to rogues with Arcane Strike.
Rogues with Minor/Major Magic don't cast spells. They have spell-like abilities that mimic spells. They aren't require to provide V,S,M, or F components. Armor never affects a spell-like ability, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell. (pg 221 Core Rulebook)
I'd say no to rogues with Arcane Strike.
+1. Same reason all Gnomes don't qualify for AS by being able to use dancing lights, ghost sound, etc, as Spell-like abilities.
Rogues with Minor/Major Magic don't cast spells. They have spell-like abilities that mimic spells. They aren't require to provide V,S,M, or F components. Armor never affects a spell-like ability, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell. (pg 221 Core Rulebook)
I'd say no to rogues with Arcane Strike.
+1. Same reason all Gnomes don't qualify for AS by being able to use dancing lights, ghost sound, etc, as Spell-like abilities.
Shattered. I really like the catch of guard, arcane strike type character and bard seems a little silly built that way.... tho it makes carrying a piano and lute and wearing spiked leather alot more amusing thats not the sorta bards I have what it takes ta play.
Rogues could use some help like that tho. They are sort of loosing their relevance.
There is always assasin I suppose !
... provide V,S,M, or F components...
Heh. I guess "S,M, or F" is close enough to "smurf" to change our avatars. I was wondering what on earth was smurfing on.
Rogues with Minor/Major Magic don't cast spells. They have spell-like abilities that mimic spells.
Relevant.
They aren't require to provide V,S,M, or F components. Armor never affects a spell-like ability, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell. (pg 221 Core Rulebook)
Irrelevant.
I'd say no to rogues with Arcane Strike.
As would I, because Arcane Strike requires the ability to cast arcane spells. Just because it's from the Sor/Wiz list doesn't mean it's arcane; that's determined at the time of casting, and the rogue's type is "spell-like." Components and spell failure are a secondary side effect.
But I do want to interject that rogues (and gnomes!) have a caster level, which increases as they advance; and therefore rogues (and gnomes!) qualify for all item creation feats (though they have no use for Craft Staff, Craft Wand and Scribe Scroll).
And thank you FarmerBob, for making me suddenly realize that I hate gnomes even more.
Edit: Boom! Grampa has spoken. :D
Pretty much, what Tejón and Phòebus said. This needs to be on the frequently axed queries list...
As has been said, since rogues don't CAST spells but use spell like abilities, RAW it would not work.
But I like the concept a lot and as a DM I would have no problem with a rogue doing this.
However, from a powergamer's perspective, instead of taking those talents you should just dip a single level in Wizard, its pretty amazing what all you get.
The single level in wizard doesn't really get you much in terms of arcane strike because your caster level is stuck at 1st. I think it's pretty clear that caster level should be the caster level of the class that qualifies you for the feat. Otherwise it would a nice one level dip for paladins and rangers.
As for the cool things you can get with a 1 level dip... I think the whole diviner, +1 init, never surprised thing is seriously.. broken. Regardless, it's amazing and on top of that you get 3 first level spells, unlimited cantrips, arcane bond or a familiar... Lots of synergy. It's sort of like a pot of gold for rogues. Downside is you are 1 level behind on sneak attack.
Of course if you take 1 level of wizard you are only 2 levels away from arcane trickster...
DUDE! I am SO playing that bard next time I play.
A late 70's/80's hair metal bard who smites people with his 'righteous axe'
hm... maybe a paladin multi-class...
I shall dub my Axe... Thor.. and call my self... Val Hallen!
(You know... there's nothing in the Paladin text that says I have to worship a real god... I can worship myself as a god, so long as I uphold the Paldin code, ergo I am... THE GOD OF ROCK AND ROLL!!!!!)
EDIT: I should so spring this on one of the guys running PbP's here...
Did something like this with a Kobold Bard / Paladin in a one off 3.5 adventure, carried a battered lute that was also a +2 club as well as a magical lute.
Besides, there's a nice feat that can be converted that lets Bard and Paladin stack. Devoted Performer, not sure which book it is in at the moment.
Rogues with Minor/Major Magic don't cast spells. They have spell-like abilities that mimic spells.Relevant.
They aren't require to provide V,S,M, or F components. Armor never affects a spell-like ability, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell. (pg 221 Core Rulebook)Irrelevant.
I'd say no to rogues with Arcane Strike.As would I, because Arcane Strike requires the ability to cast arcane spells. Just because it's from the Sor/Wiz list doesn't mean it's arcane; that's determined at the time of casting, and the rogue's type is "spell-like." Components and spell failure are a secondary side effect.
But I do want to interject that rogues (and gnomes!) have a caster level, which increases as they advance; and therefore rogues (and gnomes!) qualify for all item creation feats (though they have no use for Craft Staff, Craft Wand and Scribe Scroll).
And thank you FarmerBob, for making me suddenly realize that I hate gnomes even more.
Edit: Boom! Grampa has spoken. :D
I have a smurfbane bow and i'm not afraid to use it