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Looking at this ability I was thinking of my Medium sized Paladin being mounted on a Boar. The PFRPG says that a boar is acceptable but it is not clear if the boar is only for small sized Paladins. From the description of other mounts, the PFRPG shows that a riding dog and pony (both medium sized creatures) are for small sized creatures to ride, and the Horse (large sized) is for medium sized creatues. Can my Medium sized paladin ride a Boar or is he stuck on a horse or camel. Thanks for the info
Dragor (hopefully a boar riding Palaldin)
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Looking at this ability I was thinking of my Medium sized Paladin being mounted on a Boar. The PFRPG says that a boar is acceptable but it is not clear if the boar is only for small sized Paladins. From the description of other mounts, the PFRPG shows that a riding dog and pony (both medium sized creatures) are for small sized creatures to ride, and the Horse (large sized) is for medium sized creatues. Can my Medium sized paladin ride a Boar or is he stuck on a horse or camel. Thanks for the info
Dragor (hopefully a boar riding Palaldin)
I'm pretty sure any mount you want to ride has to be at least a size category larger than you. Also keep in mind that a medium quadraped would only be able to carry 1-1/2 times what its Strength score would indicate...probably not enough to carry your paladin and his gear, unless he is an elf running skyclad.
Ponies are medium...
And ponies are for a small rider. I would say no, unless it was a dire boar or ya was a really, really little human. The animal needs to be larger then you.
And ponies are for a small rider. I would say no, unless it was a dire boar or ya was a really, really little human. The animal needs to be larger then you.
Disagree, people ride ponies all the time, and they aren't small. Heck Donkey's too, as well as mules.
All of which are medium creatures.
If we are going to default "Must be one size category larger" then we need something to explain why a human can't ride creatures that we know they can ride.
Possibly including a provision "A creature with four or more legs is consider one size category larger for the purposes of determining if it can be rode or not"
Which would cover this issue I think. Any movement issues for the creature being rode would be handled by the fact they are still carrying a large load (comparatively) which will probably push them into a higher encumbrance category anyways.
While you have a point, do they ride them to war? Do they ride them while in full armor? Ponies just are not built for that, sure a halfling or gnome could do it as they are much lighter but put a human up there in 100 pounds of gear? I did not mean it was not possible, but with gear, and braiding and you + your armor well
The poor pony would die.
Another issue is the boar starts off small so that puts it right out. However if ya watch the weight any medium starting companion might work, with DM approval. I just looked there are alot with str of 14 that if your careful will work fine
While you have a point, do they ride them to war? Do they ride them while in full armor? Ponies just are not built for that, sure a halfling or gnome could do it as they are much lighter but put a human up there in 100 pounds of gear? I did not mean it was not possible, but with gear, and braiding and you + your armor well
The poor pony would die.
Another issue is the boar starts off small so that puts it right out. However if ya watch the weight any medium starting companion might work, with DM approval. I just looked there are alot with str of 14 that if your careful will work fine
Full agreement on the Str issue. I think that's the biggest thing limiting the use of such a creature as a ridden creature.
Truthfully I doubt anyone would ride such a beast into battle on purpose, however I could see someone riding one and getting ambushed, or some DM somewhere going "The rules say you can't ride a donkey because you are both medium creatures" and not letting some Deity spawned prophet ride into town...
Yes as a matter of fact I did just make a religious reference in an RPG thread! No I'm not trying to spark any issues, simply using it for the easy reference and the fun of it, so don't get all huffy please.
Simple solution.
Apply the Giant Template to the Boar, adjust the CR appropriately. Voila, Large Boar Mount.
Simple solution.
Apply the Giant Template to the Boar, adjust the CR appropriately. Voila, Large Boar Mount.
The issue is it uses animal companion rules. I do not think you can as well, it starts off weaker then the base best in most cases
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Full agreement on the Str issue. I think that's the biggest thing limiting the use of such a creature as a ridden creature.Truthfully I doubt anyone would ride such a beast into battle on purpose, however I could see someone riding one and getting ambushed, or some DM somewhere going "The rules say you can't ride a donkey because you are both medium creatures"
Actually, that's part of the confusion. The PFRPG rules don't put any stipulations on what is a suitable mount (although the 3.x rules did put a size restriction on it), although they do allow a -5 penalty to Ride checks for "unsuitable" mounts. Specific entries in the Bestiary suggest that (for example) ponies are used as mounts for halflings, gnomes, and other small riders, but doesn't not go so far as to actually limit the mount to small riders.
The issue is it uses animal companion rules. I do not think you can as well, it starts off weaker then the base best in most casesSimple solution.
Apply the Giant Template to the Boar, adjust the CR appropriately. Voila, Large Boar Mount.
Oversized Special Mount
Your special mount is larger than normal for his size.Prerequisites: Divine Bond (Special Mount)
Benefit: You may choose any valid special mount for your class and apply the Simple Giant template to it, increasing it's size by one level. This allows Medium characters to ride a Medium animal (which becomes a large), or allows a Large character to ride a large animal (which becomes Huge).
Special: If your special mount ever dies, you must spend additional time locating another giant mount. It takes three times longer to find a new one than normal.
Not sure what the time delay is on a special mount, I'm sure there is one, haven't looked into it, all my players hate special mounts/companions.
Not sure I would allow that myself it has large effects. You are advancing the companion by 3 levels more of less. For example
Boar
Starting Statistics: Size Small; Speed 40 ft.; AC +6 natural armor; Attack gore (1d6); Ability Scores Str 13, Dex 12, Con 15, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 4; Special Qualities low-light vision, scent.
Now his advancement is
4th-Level Advancement: Size Medium; Attack gore (1d8); Ability Scores Str +4, Dex –2, Con +2; Special Attacks ferocity
Now what ya want to do is jump him up to medium by changeing size this does
Attack gore (1d8); Ability Scores Str +4, Dex –2, Con +2
Which is more or less the same thing, sure ya miss out on a few things like HD and such and have one point less of str but ya jumped 3 levels with 1 feat.
While you have a point, do they ride them to war? Do they ride them while in full armor? Ponies just are not built for that, sure a halfling or gnome could do it as they are much lighter but put a human up there in 100 pounds of gear? I did not mean it was not possible, but with gear, and braiding and you + your armor well
The poor pony would die.
Another issue is the boar starts off small so that puts it right out. However if ya watch the weight any medium starting companion might work, with DM approval. I just looked there are alot with str of 14 that if your careful will work fine
Full agreement on the Str issue. I think that's the biggest thing limiting the use of such a creature as a ridden creature.
Truthfully I doubt anyone would ride such a beast into battle on purpose, however I could see someone riding one and getting ambushed, or some DM somewhere going "The rules say you can't ride a donkey because you are both medium creatures" and not letting some Deity spawned prophet ride into town...
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Not sure I would allow that myself it has large effects. You are advancing the companion by 3 levels more of less. For example
Boar
Starting Statistics: Size Small; Speed 40 ft.; AC +6 natural armor; Attack gore (1d6); Ability Scores Str 13, Dex 12, Con 15, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 4; Special Qualities low-light vision, scent.Now his advancement is
4th-Level Advancement: Size Medium; Attack gore (1d8); Ability Scores Str +4, Dex –2, Con +2; Special Attacks ferocityNow what ya want to do is jump him up to medium by changeing size this does
Attack gore (1d8); Ability Scores Str +4, Dex –2, Con +2
Which is more or less the same thing, sure ya miss out on a few things like HD and such and have one point less of str but ya jumped 3 levels with 1 feat.
Yes, but the point was that you are wanting a Large version instead of a medium. So you have to jump him up to Medium first, then allow him to grow into the large via HD progression.
And I agree, it's a boost in the mounts power. That's why it costs a feat, much like Improved Familiar (theoretically) boosts the power of a familiar significantly. It's still a feat though, to be able to do it.
If you don't like it, obviously don't use it, it's a house ruled feat.
EDIT: If you don't like that one, perhaps this one, but taken by the mount, not by the character.
Powerful Build
You are an extremely large and powerful example of your species.
Benefit: You are a very robust version of your species. You are considered one size category larger when it is beneficial to you. This includes size modifiers for CMB/CMD, carrying capacity, natural weapon damage, and wielding weapons (if you are capable of doing so).
Special: You must be first level, or 1 hit die. If you don't get a feat at first level/hit die, you must take this feat at the first opportunity. This feat may be taken by animal companions.
heh, but he starts as small, he wont be medium till the paladin is 8th level, if your jumping him to large it's way, way over powered
heh, but he starts as small, he wont be medium till the paladin is 8th level, if your jumping him to large it's way, way over powered
Ah, nope, was putting him at Medium instead of small. The Paladin is going to have to wait for him to grow into a mount. Another trade off.
And added another option to the above as well
yeah th 2nd one I would not allow for humanoids but not bad, it should have some prequirst I think but I like it on first look. I would also pull incressed damage out, as there is a monster feat for that.
In fact if ya did that I would have zero issues allowing that feat.And think it would be a nice one
ya know the paladin has many new uptions now to look at. Also a medium sized critter would work, ya just need to look at it's str score, as long as your careful str of 14 could work. Just do not overload to poor guy
yeah th 2nd one I would not allow for humanoids but not bad, it should have some prequirst I think but I like it on first look
ya know the paladin has many new uptions now to look at
Actually, I allow it in my game for first level characters that have unusual pedigree's (half-dragon for example, or half-ogre). For animals, especially mounts, I don't see it as an issue. Either way, the paladin would need to wait until 8th level to ride his boar into battle (I'd probably allow him to ride it before then, treating it as a pony, but not daily riding, more like training sessions). It just wouldn't have the stamina yet to carry a man and his equipment all day. Maybe 2 hours per day when he first gets him, then +2 more per level, ending with all day at 8th.
heh, I edited while you posted.
heh, I edited while you posted.
LOL
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The Boar animal companion increases to Medium size at 4th level, since a paladin's effective druid level is the same as it's paladin level it would be medium and could have a strength of 19. Giving it a max load of 525 pounds. That seems sufficient to hold most armored characters. I just can't find any rules allowing or disallowing a mediumn sized mount.
Ugh why was I thinking it was level -3? Ranger maybe, but your right (I counted str of 18 not 19) it would be powerful enough to carry a armored PC, would look really odd, but doable
There is no rule disallowing any longer as far as I know, long as the mount can hold you and your gear go for it. Do how ever look at the new critters , there are many that might also make fun mounts
Edit: thanks for the fun topic, it got use looking at a fun part of the rules
That was my thought as well, boars are just not very tall. Hince the feats being thrown around in this thread.. They tend to be about 3 feet tall, maybe a bit more but ya I would look a bit silly
But it's up to his GM, Myself I would go rhino if I wanted something out there
I'd have to agree, even those Hogzilla boars (600 lb+) in Alabama, Arkansas, etc, generally aren't more than 4 or 5 ft at the shoulder, which is enormous for a pig but short for a mount. Even a large pig would have the average persons feet dragging in the dirt.
Another thing to consider is the animal's stride. Horses have generally a fluid gait unless they're set into a jarring pace. A lot of other animals have a motion that would be... unpleasant to ride at any kind of speed, perhaps even dangerous.
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A couple of other suggestions:
If you ride the medium boar, I'd probably suggest that it is an unsuitable mount, and the -5 Ride check penalty would kick in.
If you can hold out til 7th level, maybe use the Rhino templated animal companion from the Bestiary and just say it is a boar with a glandular condition (Hogzilla). It's similar to the boar (gore attack, scent) and is large at 7th level.