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So I have a tiny problem with a character in a campaign I run:

Through a wild surge effect he has gained the ability to turn invisible whenever he speaks.

Reading on the rules about invisibility, both the Invisible special ability and the condition of 'invisibility' is a little confusing.

To pinpoint an active invisible creature, the opponent needs to make DC20 Perception check. But, if the invisible creature is [in combat or] speaking the check gets a -20. BUT, if the invisible creature is using Stealth also, it gets a +20 to Stealth check.

The character also has a Ring of Chameleon that gives +10 to Stealth. Accounting this to his +3 from his familiar and +2 from his Dex, his non-rolled Stealth is 37.

Is this correct? Am I missing something? Also, should he somehow manage to mask his voice completely, he would not gain the -20, correct?

And on completely unrelated matter, does anyone know where I could find Pathfinder-flavoured Hexblade?

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Aamaxu wrote:

So I have a tiny problem with a character in a campaign I run:

Through a wild surge effect he has gained the ability to turn invisible whenever he speaks.

Can't really comment on that without the exact wording. If it were me, I would read the effect very carefully.

Aamaxu wrote:

To pinpoint an active invisible creature, the opponent needs to make DC20 Perception check. But, if the invisible creature is [in combat or] speaking the check gets a -20. BUT, if the invisible creature is using Stealth also, it gets a +20 to Stealth check.

The character also has a Ring of Chameleon that gives +10 to Stealth. Accounting this to his +3 from his familiar and +2 from his Dex, his non-rolled Stealth is 37.

Is this correct? Am I missing something?

I wonder if "using Stealth" is the most useful wording here. What he is proposing to do is move silently. If he's talking, he can't simultaneously try to be silent.

Page 106 wrote:

If people are observing you using any of their senses

(but typically sight), you can’t use Stealth.

By definition, he is not stealthy. The only question is whether the opponent is smart enough to use the sound, which they indubitably hear, to pinpoint exactly where he is.

Aamaxu wrote:
Also, should he somehow manage to mask his voice completely, he would not gain the -20, correct?

If you should somehow allow this, presumably he would not take a -20 and would, further, be able to make a Stealth check. I think that would be time for the chaotic effect to end, if it isn't time already.

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