Ok, so this question came up during the last session we had in my group.
"Would you get a reflex save against something you couldn't possibly avoid?"
We couldn't find anything in RAW that would ever deny you of taking a reflex save, but none of us thought that it would make sense if this guy who was shackled got a reflex save against the fireball that was thrown at him when both his hands and feet were shackled to a wall.
My DM decided that he should not get a save, would this be correct?
What would you judge?
Ok, so this question came up during the last session we had in my group.
"Would you get a reflex save against something you couldn't possibly avoid?"
We couldn't find anything in RAW that would ever deny you of taking a reflex save, but none of us thought that it would make sense if this guy who was shackled got a reflex save against the fireball that was thrown at him when both his hands and feet were shackled to a wall.
My DM decided that he should not get a save, would this be correct?
What would you judge?
You still get a reflex even if you cant move. You just take -5 since you cant use your dex. This was answered for me on the WoTC boards a while back. Your saves are as much abstraction as your HP, and your save represent that fact that you are heroes to an extent. It did not make sense to me either, but as an abstraction it makes sense, kind of like the fort save against coup de grace. Realistically how hard is it to kill someone that is helpless, especially if you are a trained warrior.
You still get a reflex even if you cant move. You just take -5 since you cant use your dex. This was answered for me on the WoTC boards a while back. Your saves are as much abstraction as your HP, and your save represent that fact that you are heroes to an extent. It did not make sense to me either, but as an abstraction it makes sense, kind of like the fort save against coup de grace. Realistically how hard is it to kill someone that is helpless, especially if you are a trained warrior.Ok, so this question came up during the last session we had in my group.
"Would you get a reflex save against something you couldn't possibly avoid?"
We couldn't find anything in RAW that would ever deny you of taking a reflex save, but none of us thought that it would make sense if this guy who was shackled got a reflex save against the fireball that was thrown at him when both his hands and feet were shackled to a wall.
My DM decided that he should not get a save, would this be correct?
What would you judge?
Yeah ok I think I can live with that, I mean the game was not supposed to be a real world simulation, so it doesnt need to be 100% realistic. And a -5 dex mod to reflex save IS a pretty big penalty, so that goes a long way :)