Um, yeah, listen ... about that. You left the key under the mat so I figured you wouldn't mind ... I had a bit of a party there in 1993-1995. We drank the wine, accidentally broke the fridge (spoiling the food), and dag up your entire garden to grow OTHER STUFF (which we ended up forgetting to plant seeds for). Sorry.It's like a bull in a china shop except now it's now a, uh... space station.
I heard bulls are a detriment to space stations because that is sure a lot of bull crap ... ha ha ha ha ... ;)
I know ...lol... but it was fun to post.
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Um, yeah, listen ... about that. You left the key under the mat so I figured you wouldn't mind ... I had a bit of a party there in 1993-1995. We drank the wine, accidentally broke the fridge (spoiling the food), and dag up your entire garden to grow OTHER STUFF (which we ended up forgetting to plant seeds for). Sorry.It's like a bull in a china shop except now it's now a, uh... space station.
Yeah, well, I've heard about the Jacks' parties, tinhead.
I do have one question about throwing rockets at the moon and mars. Why not make them remote control and see if you can actually land something man size remotely. Has NASA digress that much over the last decade? It's easy to hit a bfp or satellite with a rocket - we already have proven we can both shoot something and even land something. Stop f******* the moon and mars and do something constructive - IMHO of course.Time lag and signal glitches - it is better to automate the landing system rather than feed information back to an operator on Earth.
Yes, easy to hit a BFP - harder to hit it exactly where and when you want. Like Beagle2: delivered spot-on in X and Y and sadly a little too deep in Z.
Re Obama: I think that the award is partially along the lines of ensuring follow-through on the good intentions.
True - what I meant by remotely, for any space travel for that matter, NASA gives the onboard computer the go ahead and land or take off or whatever, and then the onboard computer automates the rest.
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Yeah, well, I've heard about the Jacks' parties, tinhead.Um, yeah, listen ... about that. You left the key under the mat so I figured you wouldn't mind ... I had a bit of a party there in 1993-1995. We drank the wine, accidentally broke the fridge (spoiling the food), and dag up your entire garden to grow OTHER STUFF (which we ended up forgetting to plant seeds for). Sorry.It's like a bull in a china shop except now it's now a, uh... space station.
Lies and slander, I say!
Physics, Chemistry and Physiology or Medicine(though i wish it where more generally awarded for discoveries in biological science than specificially medicine and Physiology) I also kind of think that this year, the prize should have posthumously awarded to Charles Darwin for his work on the theory of evolution by natural selection.I think there should be Nobel Prizes for much more important things:
Art
Cooking
Baking
Textile Arts
Carpentry
Best Livestock
Best Produce
Largest PumpkinIf people were recognized globally for these sort of things, the world would be a much better place.
I'm in complete agreement.
Now where's my Nobel Carpentry Award?
Damn you Nobel! DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!
Nobel prozes are not awarded posthumously.
Does that include undeath? ... lol
I find it funny that there is still a deep seated need to take stabs at Palin, but good piece.Ouch! A funny WaPo editorial.LOL - a great comparison.
It's always worth to take "stabs" at Palin, IYKWIMAITYD. ;-)
I do have one question about throwing rockets at the moon and mars. Why not make them remote control and see if you can actually land something man size remotely. Has NASA digress that much over the last decade? It's easy to hit a bfp or satellite with a rocket - we already have proven we can both shoot something and even land something. Stop f******* the moon and mars and do something constructive - IMHO of course.
The lunar mission is actually a really cleaver one, as it makes use of a part of the mission that would normally be left as space junk, then repeats the experiment with the intrement package leaving zero space junk behind. It will also give use a lot of infomation about the existance of water in perminently shadowed craters on the moon, which could be an important step in the production of a perminant lunar colony. All in all, pretty damned constructive mission if you ask me.
Physics, Chemistry and Physiology or Medicine(though i wish it where more generally awarded for discoveries in biological science than specificially medicine and Physiology) I also kind of think that this year, the prize should have posthumously awarded to Charles Darwin for his work on the theory of evolution by natural selection.I think i'd rather focus on the nobel prizes that really matter, rather than the peace prize.Like the Nobel prize for humour?Nobel prozes are not awarded posthumously.
They should make an acception....come on, Darwin....greatest scientist in history....
The lunar mission is actually a really cleaver one, as it makes use of a part of the mission that would normally be left as space junk, then repeats the experiment with the intrement package leaving zero space junk behind. It will also give use a lot of infomation about the existance of water in perminently shadowed craters on the moon, which could be an important step in the production of a perminant lunar colony. All in all, pretty damned constructive mission if you ask me.
Wouldn't it be easier and more glorified to send up a rc\automated drilling rig and drill for water ... :-)
I would think a drilling rig would be a better way to confirm the existence of water?
Disclaimer: I don't like Obama. For that matter, I don't like McCain either. My motto is, "George Washington for president."
Wow .... 1.4 million bucks for being in office for 10 days. He hasn't done anything yet, and he definitely hadn't done anything when they put his name on the list. I'll take $1.4 million for doing nothing any day.
And as for nuclear disarmament? We have something approaching peace over a large amount of the world BECAUSE the nukes make the politicians too scared to take each other on. Get rid of them, and the developed nations will be at each other's throats again before you could say "unjustified arrogance."
The history of humanity proves that the only way to ensure peace is the possibility of mutually assured destruction. Going against nukes should provide the "Nobel War Prize," IMO.
Actually, the history of humanity proves that none of our attempts have found a way to ensure peace. You think MAD ensures peace? Tell that to those that get hit by American Cruise Missiles. Tell that to the civilian population of Iraq and Afghanistan.
You don't create peace by threatening someone.
he he he ... I see into the future, President Obama will win the Academy Award, an Emmy, and Guinness Book of World Records for his record amount of television presentations given by an US president ... ;)
Watch, you will see. And Kanye West will be the presenter... lol
Actually, the history of humanity proves that none of our attempts have found a way to ensure peace. You think MAD ensures peace? Tell that to those that get hit by American Cruise Missiles. Tell that to the civilian population of Iraq and Afghanistan.
You don't create peace by threatening someone.
No but you can't have peace either by being complacent, being friends to everyone, and not having protection.
This has been proven over and over again throughout the course of humanity. Sure we should try but not throw our hands completely in the air like some of the naive believe.
I find it funny that there is still a deep seated need to take stabs at Palin, but good piece.Ouch! A funny WaPo editorial.LOL - a great comparison.
I think you misunderstand, this wasn't an attack on Palin, it was an attack on the University of Idaho. I believe the writer's intent was to imply that the University of Idaho hands out degrees so freely that many of its graduates haven't ever read a book, heck he probably believes they are functionally illiterate. He probably went to a rival school, and so still harbors a dislike for the old U of I.
On a serious note:
Nobel prozes are not awarded posthumously.
Based on the unfortunate history of the US, could it be that the Nobel committee was afraid they might not get another chance?
Disclaimer: I don't like Obama. For that matter, I don't like McCain either. My motto is, "George Washington for president."
Wow .... 1.4 million bucks for being in office for 10 days. He hasn't done anything yet, and he definitely hadn't done anything when they put his name on the list. I'll take $1.4 million for doing nothing any day.
And as for nuclear disarmament? We have something approaching peace over a large amount of the world BECAUSE the nukes make the politicians too scared to take each other on. Get rid of them, and the developed nations will be at each other's throats again before you could say "unjustified arrogance."
The history of humanity proves that the only way to ensure peace is the possibility of mutually assured destruction. Going against nukes should provide the "Nobel War Prize," IMO.
Actually, the history of humanity proves that none of our attempts have found a way to ensure peace. You think MAD ensures peace? Tell that to those that get hit by American Cruise Missiles. Tell that to the civilian population of Iraq and Afghanistan.
You don't create peace by threatening someone.
I must disagree. While I tend to think freedom and trade tend to be the principal deterrents to war the threat of violent consequences on a massive scale is clearly a deterrent. We haven't invaded North Korea yet thankfully.
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he he he ... I see into the future, President Obama will win the Academy Award, an Emmy, and Guinness Book of World Records for his record amount of television presentations given by an US president ... ;)
Watch, you will see. And Kanye West will be the presenter... lol
I did read that some folks are joking he'll win the Cy Young award for that baseball he threw to opena game.
Disclaimer: I don't like Obama. For that matter, I don't like McCain either. My motto is, "George Washington for president."
Wow .... 1.4 million bucks for being in office for 10 days. He hasn't done anything yet, and he definitely hadn't done anything when they put his name on the list. I'll take $1.4 million for doing nothing any day.
And as for nuclear disarmament? We have something approaching peace over a large amount of the world BECAUSE the nukes make the politicians too scared to take each other on. Get rid of them, and the developed nations will be at each other's throats again before you could say "unjustified arrogance."
The history of humanity proves that the only way to ensure peace is the possibility of mutually assured destruction. Going against nukes should provide the "Nobel War Prize," IMO.
Ah, M.A.D., a way of fighting wars that only a paranoid schizophrenic could love. Case in point, Jone Forbes Nash, Jr. loves it.
It is a really sound stratergy for fighting nuclier wars in a world full of rational people and where the individuals playing the game understand the rules.
Question: How rational is 'invading iraq on a mission from god?' Tony Blair claims that he genuinely believed he was doing god's will by aiding Bush. Do you believe that those people who attacked the twin towers where acting in a rational manner.
We do not live in a world where people live like they are Playing F~*! you Buddy or the prizoners dilemma. We have been hijacked by our genes to act in ways which our detremental to our own well being if it will protect our genes, and by memes, which have us act in manners which are detremental to our own health and the health of others, but benifit the meme. People really will lay down their life for jesus or the flag. We don't behave the way that MAD requires us to act for it to work. That off sets the mathimatics it is based upon, and means that one day some one will try to win the game by playing it, when the only way to win is not to play.
Nuclier, chemical and biological arsonals are simply to dangerous to keep around. While it is true we would almost certainly see a return to conventional war, that is preferable in my mind to the eventual catastrophy we are likely to see if these weapons are not put beyond use.
The lunar mission is actually a really cleaver one, as it makes use of a part of the mission that would normally be left as space junk, then repeats the experiment with the intrement package leaving zero space junk behind. It will also give use a lot of infomation about the existance of water in perminently shadowed craters on the moon, which could be an important step in the production of a perminant lunar colony. All in all, pretty damned constructive mission if you ask me.Wouldn't it be easier and more glorified to send up a rc\automated drilling rig and drill for water ... :-)
I would think a drilling rig would be a better way to confirm the existence of water?
Not really, it would also cost a hell of a lot more. We have the instromentation in place to do spectral analysis on the debris cloud, we can in momments gather many hundreds of times more data, that we would be able to achieve from weeks of drilling, using equipment that cost a lot more to make.
Disclaimer: I don't like Obama. For that matter, I don't like McCain either. My motto is, "George Washington for president."
Wow .... 1.4 million bucks for being in office for 10 days. He hasn't done anything yet, and he definitely hadn't done anything when they put his name on the list. I'll take $1.4 million for doing nothing any day.
And as for nuclear disarmament? We have something approaching peace over a large amount of the world BECAUSE the nukes make the politicians too scared to take each other on. Get rid of them, and the developed nations will be at each other's throats again before you could say "unjustified arrogance."
The history of humanity proves that the only way to ensure peace is the possibility of mutually assured destruction. Going against nukes should provide the "Nobel War Prize," IMO.
Actually, the history of humanity proves that none of our attempts have found a way to ensure peace. You think MAD ensures peace? Tell that to those that get hit by American Cruise Missiles. Tell that to the civilian population of Iraq and Afghanistan.
You don't create peace by threatening someone.
Well you can when both sides can assure the others destruction, and both behave rationally. Afganistan and iraq couldn't do those things, or didn't have an alliance with some one who could, which is why it was possible to invade.
Disclaimer: I like Obama.
However, Obama should not get the prize for what he is going to do. He has actually done some good so far, and I think that he could deserve it for that, but not for his plans.
Not really, it would also cost a hell of a lot more. We have the instromentation in place to do spectral analysis on the debris cloud, we can in momments gather many hundreds of times more data, that we would be able to achieve from weeks of drilling, using equipment that cost a lot more to make.
Roger, you learn something new everyday.
RE MAD - Do you actually think we would be safer if we wiped out our arsenal tomorrow? Even if it was mutual. To me, it's throwing open the gates to Rome to the hordes and yes that really did happen... :)
Just like my past friends and relatives, it is only matter of time they take advantage of you for being nice and a good friend or family member.
Question: How rational is 'invading iraq on a mission from god?' Tony Blair claims that he genuinely believed he was doing god's will by aiding Bush. Do you believe that those people who attacked the twin towers where acting in a rational manner.
I wonder if one can be both religious and rational, or are the two mutually exclusive?
Agreed, way too soon. They should have at least wait for the end of one term, as it is, it's kinda comical to get it this early.Disclaimer: I like Obama.
This is pretty lame. Obama hasn't earned this prize and may not. We have no way of knowing what Obama's record is going to be in regards to war and peace. I won't be surprised if when Obama leaves office, the situation is remarkably similar to what it is now.
You know Callous Jack, there is a joke in that somewhere. Obama getting the Nobel Prize for what? What did he do? Coddled up to a nation that along with Syria and North Korea funds terrorist cells, is still building nuclear weapons, ICMs, and has hostile relations towards Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. Maybe Egypt and Europe too.
I already have him pegged as the next Jimmy Carter. For those of you who didn't have the privilege of going through his administration, I hope you take a quick history lesson. Carter actually got Israel and Egypt to sign a peace treaty. Something worthy of a Nobel Prize.
Oh next on his agenda, he's going after entitlements while the economy continues to sink.
Question: How rational is 'invading iraq on a mission from god?' Tony Blair claims that he genuinely believed he was doing god's will by aiding Bush. Do you believe that those people who attacked the twin towers where acting in a rational manner.I wonder if one can be both religious and rational, or are the two mutually exclusive?
I'd have to say that it is possible for a person to be rational and religious, however, such a person is rational only upto the point at which he starts to be religious.
One of the central elements of theistic religion is Faith, belief without compelling evidence. It is treated as a virtue. Belief without evidence is not a rational stance, in my opinion.
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Sounds like you have an anti-baked goods agenda, but as long as you recognize the value of the Nobel Prize for the Largest Pumpkin, we're good.
Art is already kind of covered by the litarature prize. Personally i disagree, i think actually, higher levels of scientific literacy and the attendant lower levels of theism really would be far better for the world than a nobel prize in baking
We just had the annual pumpkin festival last weekend, the winner was a whopping 1153 lbs.
We just had the annual pumpkin festival last weekend, the winner was a whopping 1153 lbs.Sounds like you have an anti-baked goods agenda, but as long as you recognize the value of the Nobel Prize for the Largest Pumpkin, we're good.
Art is already kind of covered by the litarature prize. Personally i disagree, i think actually, higher levels of scientific literacy and the attendant lower levels of theism really would be far better for the world than a nobel prize in baking
Yeah, I saw a picture of that bad boy. That thing was huge.
Disclaimer: I don't like cauliflower.
Breaking News -
PAIZO WINS NOBEL PRIZE FOR PUBLISHING and PULITZER FOR PUGILISM PRINTING
We now return you the WTF? discussion....
I want peace in the Middle-East, less nuclear arms and everyone to have nice day. Can I have my Peace Prize now?
This is just embrassing and an insult to all the candidates who truely deserve this award for their good work.
I wonder if Wolf Blitzer will fact check the Noble Committee like he did the SNL skit?
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Obama wins the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
Incredibly impressive this. The Nobel Committee made it clear that it was for Obama's intentions, rather then his actions so far, but I'm sure we all hope he can follow through on his intentions and make the world a more peaceful place.US President Barack Obama has been awarded the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize.
The Nobel Committee said he won it for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples".
The committee highlighted Mr Obama's efforts to support international bodies and promote nuclear disarmament.
Mr Obama's spokesman said the president was "humbled" to have won the prize. He said he woke Mr Obama up when he called with the news early on Friday.
We can all hope, but I think that the prize should go to smeone who has actually done something tht has made somewhe in the world a more peaceful place. It was a lot like when former Vice Presient Gore won for his work on global warming. While it was certainly admirableand maybe even deserving of on eof the Nobel science prizes, I dn't see how it has helped increase peace in the world. If President Obama follows through with his goals, then yes he would in the future deserve a Nobel Prize. However, at this point he has done nothing to deserve it.
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Disclaimer: I don't like cauliflower.
Dude, let's try to keep it civil! Do you want to reignite the great cauliflower/broccoli wars again?
I also have nothing to add but a hearty WTF? (and not just about a preference of cauliflower over broccoli).
That being said, I wish I'd had a bet going on one of this. The odds must've been insane that Obama would get the Nobel Prize on those online gambling places that track these things. You could've made some serious cash betting on that long shot.
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May I politely ask that the insults aimed at religious people be kept out of this thread. Post in the civil religious discussion for that sort of thing, thank you.
The news this morning continues to be surreal. The DNC has announced that the Republicans are throwing in their lot with terrorists by thinking out loud that Obama didn't do anything in his first ten days of office to deserve the prize.
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That war was ended with a political marriage (ever hear of Broccoflower?).
Dude, let's try to keep it civil! Do you want to reignite the great cauliflower/broccoli wars again?I also have nothing to add but a hearty WTF (and not jsut about a preference of cauliflower over broccoli)?
It is an abomination!
Not really, it would also cost a hell of a lot more. We have the instromentation in place to do spectral analysis on the debris cloud, we can in momments gather many hundreds of times more data, that we would be able to achieve from weeks of drilling, using equipment that cost a lot more to make.Roger, you learn something new everyday.
RE MAD - Do you actually think we would be safer if we wiped out our arsenal tomorrow? Even if it was mutual. To me, it's throwing open the gates to Rome to the hordes and yes that really did happen... :)
Just like my past friends and relatives, it is only matter of time they take advantage of you for being nice and a good friend or family member.
Do i think the world would become safer? No, i am not stupid. I well understand the massive benifits that MAD continues to provide us all. If where to run both the most likely time lines against each other, i would almost certainly be more safe in the world with MAD tomorrow, next week, next month, next year and so one.
In the other world, i'd loose wealth, or maybe gain it, i might personally die in war ect. It wouldn't be a nice place. But here is the thing, run the MAD time line long enough and the outcomes are far worse. Millions dies instantly, hundreds of millions more die in the after math, civillisation breaks down and frankly everything goes to s&%!.
MAD will eventually fail. Not because the maths is flawed, they are perfect, elegant and beautiful. The problem isn't with the game theory underpinning of MAD, but rather, it is with Humanity, we do not behave in the way that the player of MAD has to behave to be able to win.
Didn't 1st edition have a rule set on how may worshippers it takes to raise a figure to divinty?? Cause the choirs are a singing on CNN and the band is all tuned up to play.
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I don't know, he has already done a hell of a lot to push issues. For instance, the UK's recent decision to slash its nuclier submarine program is atleast in part down to the Obama, as it is being used to 'set an example' to iran, ahead of talks starting.
Okay then President Bush should be awarded the Peace Prize because he got the Lybias to stand down their nuclear weapons program because they wre afraid that they would be the next target.
He has openned up talks with Iran, moving america away from the Irans the next target stance it was previously in.
Here in the U.S. several of the major news outlets, like NBC and BC are opennly specukating that today's bombing of the moon is a test for the bomb that has been devloped to take out Iran's nuclear reactors. President Obama just signed an appropriations bill tha would speed up the development and construction of th Massive Ordinance Penetrator, the weapon that Secretary Gates has openly said was inteded to use against Iran. And the talks he openned were not direct talks, they were similar to the six party talks with North Koea, the U.S. particiapated but sat back and let the E.U. take the lead.
He is working toward the closure of the Guantanamo bay detention center.
However, it is not closed yet, three monthes after his deadline to have it shut down. the major obsticle is his own political party who voted to block the money needed to do so. Also the lawyers for several of the Gitmo detaniees have filed suit to block the facilities closure.
I don't think it is fair to say the man has done nothing.
That said, nobel prize worthy? I don't know. I think i'd rather focus on the nobel prizes that really matter, rather than the peace prize.
No, he hasn't done nothing, but none of the things you named were cited in the award announcement. In fact as the OP pointed out the Commitee specifically said they were awarding the prize on the basis of what he says he will do in the future.
It was a lot like when former Vice Presient Gore won for his work on global warming. While it was certainly admirableand maybe even deserving of on eof the Nobel science prizes, I dn't see how it has helped increase peace in the world.
Al Gore ... Science ... you're joking right? His movie has been blasted, not only by people who think global warming/change is a fraud, but also those that believe it is real. Didn't his movie get kicked out of British schools or something because it was so flawed? Nope, I think even the Nobel committee isn't going to go that far and call Gore's work "science".