Wild shape and the small druid


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All of the wild shape rules are based on the assumption that the druid is medium sized. What about the gnome or the halfling?

I have assumed that the small druid just gets an extra +2 Str and -2 dex when they wild shape to make up for the racial penalties. But wouldn't it make more sense for a druid to wild shape to sizes relative to their starting size?

Think about a druid pixie or a druid cloud giant. That pixie can only take forms much larger than himself and never smaller? And the giant shrinks to a tiny size relative to his start?


dulsin wrote:

All of the wild shape rules are based on the assumption that the druid is medium sized. What about the gnome or the halfling?

I have assumed that the small druid just gets an extra +2 Str and -2 dex when they wild shape to make up for the racial penalties. But wouldn't it make more sense for a druid to wild shape to sizes relative to their starting size?

Think about a druid pixie or a druid cloud giant. That pixie can only take forms much larger than himself and never smaller? And the giant shrinks to a tiny size relative to his start?

They are based on small or medium. I've seen a lot of people pick up the +2/ -2 houserule for small and it makes sense. My feeling is that they didn't want to deal with small/ medium because they wanted to simplify an already complicated mechanism and save page count.

Most players would not want their wild shaped sizes based on their starting size because that slows their access to the larger (generally more deadly) creatures. Even so it's a reasonable extension.


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dulsin wrote:

All of the wild shape rules are based on the assumption that the druid is medium sized. What about the gnome or the halfling?

I have assumed that the small druid just gets an extra +2 Str and -2 dex when they wild shape to make up for the racial penalties. But wouldn't it make more sense for a druid to wild shape to sizes relative to their starting size?

Think about a druid pixie or a druid cloud giant. That pixie can only take forms much larger than himself and never smaller? And the giant shrinks to a tiny size relative to his start?

It is stated in the Magic Chapter (Transmutation / Polymorph) that you apply size changes first. "If a polymorph spell is cast by a creature that is smaller than Small or larger than Medium, first adjust its ability scores to one of these two sizes" (from page 160 in the Beta and is carried to the Final ed. cant remember the page but in the same place).

Hope that answers your question.

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