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Since the champion of Gwynharwf is essentially a paladin for barbarians base classes, I was thinking that it should get the upgrade of the paladin. Namely, the good Will save. As for other stuff, I'm not really sure. The rage would of course change to the new rules. They're fairly balance overall, but I admit that having such a low number of spells sucks. Maybe start them off with a single spell instead of 0 and them only gaining their ability modifier worth of spells? Or change it up so that they gain two spells a level faster as per the new paladin. That seems fair. The feats aren't all that great either, and since Book of Exalted Deeds feats don't really mesh too well with Pathfinder, maybe some new feats to meet the requirements instead. At least get rid of Knight of Stars for something better. Righteous Wrath isn't bad. A few more skills added in like Knowledge (religion), or other barbarian and paladin skills might be a nice addition.
What do you think?
Since the champion of Gwynharwf is essentially a paladin for barbarians base classes, I was thinking that it should get the upgrade of the paladin. Namely, the good Will save. As for other stuff, I'm not really sure. The rage would of course change to the new rules. They're fairly balance overall, but I admit that having such a low number of spells sucks. Maybe start them off with a single spell instead of 0 and them only gaining their ability modifier worth of spells? Or change it up so that they gain two spells a level faster as per the new paladin. That seems fair. The feats aren't all that great either, and since Book of Exalted Deeds feats don't really mesh too well with Pathfinder, maybe some new feats to meet the requirements instead. At least get rid of Knight of Stars for something better. Righteous Wrath isn't bad. A few more skills added in like Knowledge (religion), or other barbarian and paladin skills might be a nice addition.
What do you think?
I think in 3.5 the Champion of Gwynharwf was a pretty good choice for barbarians looking to multiclass. If you wanted to update it give it a Paladin's smite and let it stack with Barbarian for rage powers. Maybe let it give more rage powers, or maybe give it at a slower rate.
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I think in 3.5 the Champion of Gwynharwf was a pretty good choice for barbarians looking to multiclass. If you wanted to update it give it a Paladin's smite and let it stack with Barbarian for rage powers. Maybe let it give more rage powers, or maybe give it at a slower rate.
It's already got the Paladin's smite, and stacks with the Barbarian's rage powers. o_O Rage has changed, granted, but that'd be about the only thing that'd get upgraded. More rage powers isn't a bad idea, but Pathfinder already has feats that adds 5 or 6 more rounds of rage to the character. However, this shall be considered.
Looking it up, this is probably the best way to balance things (IMO):
- Giving it strong will progression at the beginning (which sadly is only +1 Fort and +1 Will for Pathfinder prestiges)
- A new 1st lvl spell at 6th instead of 7th, and a new 2nd lvl spell at 8th instead of 9th, giving the class 3/2/2/1 at 10th lvl.
- Add the Diplomacy, Heal, Know (religion), Sense Motive, and Spellcraft skills to the skill list.
- Add another Rage Power at 6th level.
Also, change the Knight of Stars feat to give you a +2 bonus, instead of +1, as per the True Believer feat.
How's that look?