| Wise Old Man |
Gun Kata
Human
Mysterious Stranger
1. Combat Expertise
Mobility
2. Lucky
Kata Master/Qinggong Monk
1. Improved Unarmed Strike
Dodge
Rapid Reload
2. Two Weapon Fighting
3. Leaping Shot Deed
4. Qin: Ki Stand
Mysterious Stranger
3. Spring Attack
4. Whirlwind Attack
Weapon Cords with Pistols
Drop Weapon: Free Action
Rapid Reload: Free Action
Draw Weapon: +1 BAB, Free Action with movement
Ki Stand (0 Points): Swift Action
Mysterious Stranger Grit: Cha
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Kata Master Panache: Cha
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Kata Master Ki Pool: Wis
You can use double your Charisma on Leaping Shot Deeds, Ki Stand as a Swift Action and the next round, you can Whirlwind Attack.
| Katydid |
I'm having a little trouble following this build - how many levels did the original version take? Eight?
Quick Draw/Weapon Focus/Dazzling Display/Gun Twirling is a pretty heavy feat tax, so I'm curious as to how many levels it'd take to get the full thing up. That Gun Twirling feat tree probably takes precedence over the Whirlwind Attack, too. Maybe take Antihero for another feat if the DM allows hero points.
| Katydid |
Ah, that was what I forgot. I really do hope this works in some form because I want to tinker around with your build some more - although - I only understand you can draw weapons if they're sheathed. I don't see it, but is there something about the weapon cords that allows you to "Draw" the dropped weapons instead of picking them up?
The way I saw Gun Twirling working was -> Holster pistol A -> Reload pistol B -> Holster B -> Draw A -> Reload A -> Draw B all for free actions.
Also, to get the Leaping Shot deed I believe you'll need to stick Point Blank Shot in there somewhere.
Bigdaddyjug
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Now I see that you took Mobility before Dodge when Dodge is a pre-req for Mobility.
Edit: You also still have not responded to the comment both Zhayne and I made regarding how you manage full-attacks while dual-wielding.
The Leaping Shot deed is only usable every other turn, and it still only grants you 2 attacks. A regular gunslinger can get that without doing anything silly by level 6,and he'll it more often and do more damage.
| Wise Old Man |
Oh, you're right on that one. Just imagine I switched it.
Edit: It says you can draw your weapon as part of your move if you have +1 BAB or higher. Please, educate me by telling me why you can only use the Leaping Shot Deed every other turn. And its not silly but in fact funny because you can make attacks at your highest base attack bonus with both your hands three times from level 7.
| pellinore |
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So drawing a weapon must be sheathed? Even though it says nothing of it in Draw. Shouldn't picking up an item and drawing a weapon for battle be different?
Drawing a weapon is a move action that can be done as part of a regular move action if you have a BAB of +1 or higher. This applies to "weapon-like objects carried in easy reach" not objects on the floor. In addition, drawing a weapon as a free action can only be combined with a regular move action not a full round action that happens to involve movement (such as the Leaping Shot deed). You really need Quick Draw to make it work.
| Zhayne |
Drawing a weapon out of a sheath doesn't provoke, picking something up off the ground does. There's your difference. This is also one of those cases where the English language does the work. I can't imagine anybody claiming that picking a weapon up off the ground in any way constitutes a 'Draw' with a straight face.
| Slacker2010 |
Wise Old Man, They are making comments on the build. You are taking it personal. I could see the elephant comment, being worded poorly, possibly make you feel attacked. I would imagine he was pointing out there are still other issues in the build other than what he was referring to in that post. Remember, you can't always convey tone in text.
| Katydid |
I somehow feel this was all my fault. =(
The ACG Feat in question was Kick Up. Not a deed but functionally as described, allowing you to retrieve an item as a swift action:
As long as you have at least one hand free, you can use a swift action to retrieve a single unattended item or weapon that weighs 10 pounds or less from the ground, either in your square or in any adjacent square not occupied or threatened by an enemy.
Unfortunately for the purpose of this discussion, you'd need 1 level in slayer or swashbuckler to take the feat.
ElementalXX
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Nobody is attacking your build Wise old man. We are just pointing out how that normally it wouldnt work. By the rules as written. Of course you are free to use it the way you like it on your home games.
However according to the rules:
-Drawing is part of a move action if you have that does not provoke
-Taking any object from the ground is a move action that provokes
-To be able to make the build work you would need either:
a. Gun Twirling
b. Kick up
Its interesting to note that a swashbuckler dip is pretty interesting to make a dex based sad char. Im seeing the build could mesh well with the picaroon. All in all the build can work it just needs more feats