XP for birthing


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Should NPC Commoners get XP for giving birth?

It seems to me they should. I mean, what's more trying and dangerous? They're more likely to survive dungeon crawls than birthing.

And, of course, that means women NPCs will have higher levels than men NPCs. That's cool.

-W. E. Ray

I'd rather stand in the front of battle ten times than have to give birth once
-Medea

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lol

why the heck not? I'd say less XP per kid though.

The way I get NPCs leveled up is by using noncombat challenges. A shop owner gets XP by meeting business goals. Maybe making contacts for new products and making others to sell to. That would get him level appropriate XP. He could repeat that pattern for diminishing returns on XP, or crank up the difficulty of the contacts or the routes for the caravan or whatever.

Town guards get XP for breaking up a bar fight. Less for the next bar fight. But more for breaking up a riot. Slow for a while then a major murder happens and they get some for questioning folks and tracking down the killer. Then the big fight with killer gets them some nice XP. Then along comes an adventurer to town looking for trouble. Three lvl 3 guards sharing XP for taking down a lvl 6 fighter... not bad!

So why not the same for women cranking out kids? I'd apply diminishing returns, but why not. Doesn't hurt anything really.


Molech wrote:


And, of course, that means women NPCs will have higher levels than men NPCs. That's cool.

If women get XP for giving birth, men get XP for knocking women up.


Generic Villain wrote:
Molech wrote:


And, of course, that means women NPCs will have higher levels than men NPCs. That's cool.
If women get XP for giving birth, men get XP for knocking women up.

I disagree. NO challenge there.

Now, XP for getting in the woman's pants.........

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dude you're talking about gamers... at least triple XP IF it ever happens... lol


Krome wrote:
dude you're talking about gamers... at least triple XP IF it ever happens... lol

Wouldn't that depend on level, and the particular CR of the encounter?

The ugly drunk girl sittin by herself at the back of the party? CR 1, maybe 2. Scarlett Johansen? CR 25 at least!


ChrisRevocateur wrote:


I disagree. NO challenge there.

Okay, how about this; if women get XP for birthing, men get XP for passing kidney stones. Not as much, but it's definitely an XP-worthy event.

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Generic Villain wrote:
ChrisRevocateur wrote:


I disagree. NO challenge there.
Okay, how about this; if women get XP for birthing, men get XP for passing kidney stones. Not as much, but it's definitely an XP-worthy event.

+1.


You get XP for passing challenges with skills, so, yes. I'd say the lady gets XP at a CR=level.


roguerouge wrote:
You get XP for passing challenges with skills, so, yes. I'd say the lady gets XP at a CR=level.

Yes, but if you give a CR to a baby, doesn't that make them worth XP, at least to evil characters? Next thing you know we've got a scene from AVP Requiem in the game.

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What is the CR rating for not murding one's own children?


ChrisRevocateur wrote:
Krome wrote:
dude you're talking about gamers... at least triple XP IF it ever happens... lol

Wouldn't that depend on level, and the particular CR of the encounter?

The ugly drunk girl sittin by herself at the back of the party? CR 1, maybe 2. Scarlett Johansen? CR 25 at least!

With an extra +1 to CR for every CHA point under 14 the character has, in that latter case, until it gets below 6. Then that whole "hot celeb, ugly dude" rule kicks in and the CR drops to 10.


Lord Fyre wrote:
What is the CR rating for not murding one's own children?

Depends on age

0-1: CR 2
2-6: CR 4
9-12: CR 3
13-18: CR 15

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Lyingbastard wrote:
If you give a CR to a baby, doesn't that make them worth XP, at least to evil characters?

OMG! I am so using this as a plot for a villain. I have no idea what "AVP Requiem" is but I can see a BBEG running a maternity hospital and stealing XP from babies and birthing mothers and siphonig them to Lamashtu.

-W. E. Ray

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I was thinknig about the OP.

Maybe one does get XP for delivering but, unfortunately, it also costs XP to go through the trauma. Heck, giving birth has to take as much out of you as casting Wish.

Thus NPC mothers end up even and don't level higher than NPC men just by giving birth.

-W. E. Ray

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XP? Personally I am just hoping to get a free level of the PrC Mother class myself when the day comes.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
XP? Personally I am just hoping to get a free level of the PrC Mother class myself when the day comes.

Being a parent should be worth some XP as well, but the challenge will be reduced with each further child AFAICT. Mother PrC? After birthing a whole stable full of kids, a mother qualifies for this, I´d guess. Nothing like a free meal here, it is hard-won experience.

But as an aside: does "magical midwifery" exist (from adepts, most likely)? How does that influence birthing complications? How does this in turn influence number of pregnancies? In the real world, you can observe that women up until the turn of 19/20 century got pregnant a lot, but most kids did not survive. The number of surviving offspring increases dramatically from about 1870 onward, probably due to medicinal progress, resulting in a growing populace. This lead to slowly decreasing number of offspring over the next decades. So, does magic influence this?

Stefan


Stebehil wrote:

But as an aside: does "magical midwifery" exist (from adepts, most likely)? How does that influence birthing complications? How does this in turn influence number of pregnancies?

A quote from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, page 83: "The careful attention of clerics, healers, and divine healing magic makes childbirth reasonably safe in most civilized lands".

Makes sense to me.


Generic Villain wrote:
Stebehil wrote:

But as an aside: does "magical midwifery" exist (from adepts, most likely)? How does that influence birthing complications? How does this in turn influence number of pregnancies?

A quote from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, page 83: "The careful attention of clerics, healers, and divine healing magic makes childbirth reasonably safe in most civilized lands".

Makes sense to me.

I've read that book up and down, and I don't think I ever caught that before.......

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Dark_Mistress wrote:
XP? Personally I am just hoping to get a free level of the PrC Mother class myself when the day comes.

Mother PrC

- gives bonuses to defend their own children.
- bonuses to heal checks (+1/2 levels)
- craft (any)
- bonuses to diplomacy checks (+1/2 levels)


Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
XP? Personally I am just hoping to get a free level of the PrC Mother class myself when the day comes.

Mother PrC

- gives bonuses to defend their own children.
- bonuses to heal checks (+1/2 levels)
- craft (any)
- bonuses to diplomacy checks (+1/2 levels)

Nerves of steel: +2 to will saves, +3 against crying children.

Multitasking: gets one additional action each round if children are concerned.

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roguerouge wrote:
You get XP for passing challenges with skills, so, yes. I'd say the lady gets XP at a CR=level.

In 3.5 you have to spend XP to create things or for spells with permanent or complex effects. Nothing's more permanent than creating offspring. At least that's what the people at child support services keep telling me.

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Molech wrote:
Should NPC Commoners get XP for giving birth?

LOL

Honestly? Whatever. I'm not really interested in reaching that level of simulation. It just doesn't matter enough in my games.

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Molech wrote:
Lyingbastard wrote:
If you give a CR to a baby, doesn't that make them worth XP, at least to evil characters?

OMG! I am so using this as a plot for a villain. I have no idea what "AVP Requiem" is but I can see a BBEG running a maternity hospital and stealing XP from babies and birthing mothers and siphonig them to Lamashtu.

-W. E. Ray

Alien vs Predator: Requiem was a terrible sequel to an OK crossover movie. The Alien/Predator landed on Earth, and is being hunted by (apparently) an Elder Predator.

Along the way, it breaks into a hospital, oviposits some eggs down the throats of women in the maternity ward, and after incubating, dozens of the little critters burst from their pregnant bellies.

Probably the only creepy/scary/good scene in the movie. ^_^

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Molech wrote:
Should NPC Commoners get XP for giving birth?
Alberich wrote:
Honestly? Whatever. I'm not really interested in reaching that level of simulation.

Well why not?

Aren't you a real gamer?!

Real gamers always reach that level of simulation. Always. If you're not roleplaying when the NPCs have potty breaks and when the PCs gather wood for their campfires and if you don't stat-up the skill points for the NPC who sweeps the streets and the feat for the guy selling candles in the market, well then you're, um, you're not a real gamer.

Don't you want to be a real gamer?

You have to determine if you get XP for giving birth. And if it costs XP to go through giving birth.

Or, um, you're not really gaming.

So there.

This is a serious, um, Thread topic.

Seriously.

-W. E. Ray


Hell no. If that made any sense then the lady in line behind me at Target the other day would be 8th level or something by now, and that would lead me to conclude that Life is really a Monty Haul, cakewalk of a campaign, which it is not.

I could see creating a system where you determine at various phases of the kid's development how many people you've dealt with in public ('random encounters', I guess...) who walked away wishing they could erase the whole experience from their minds. It would have to be a system of rp challenges of some kind, played out with the DM. If the child makes it to, say, 8 years of age and the percentage of encounters with that negative outcome is less than 10% then award some experience.

You would have to do this on off-days, of course. Deduct experience for subjecting the rest of the group to it on Game Night.

It ain't the birthing. People in comas have done that. It's the childrearing. Not everyone has the stats for it.

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Sothmektri wrote:
Hell no. ... It ain't the birthing. People in comas have done that.

LOL!

I 'bout spit out my food, here, reminding me why I shouldn't eat at my desk.

But I think I have to disagree. Being a guy I've never given birth but I bet the mothers out there would say that, coma births or not, it's still, um, hard.

Maybe the doctors should get XP for delivering from a woman in a coma.

-W. E. Ray


Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
XP? Personally I am just hoping to get a free level of the PrC Mother class myself when the day comes.

Mother PrC

- gives bonuses to defend their own children.
- bonuses to heal checks (+1/2 levels)
- craft (any)
- bonuses to diplomacy checks (+1/2 levels)

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+5 Sense Motive

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"Nothing."


I keep seeing this thread and thinking it's "XP for Birthers." Which really makes me wonder: can you declare open season on them like that?


Yes, you can.


CourtFool wrote:
Yes, you can.

YES, WE CAN!! MUHAHAHAHAHAAA


Now that is an agenda.

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