More TWF Q's!

[Dazmiuth]

Just making sure I have the math right. Let's say a fighter with a BAB of +11/+6/+1 has TWF, Imp TWF, Greater TWF, and TWF Rend.

With BAB of +11, while using a light weapon in his off-hand, which of the following would be correct?

1:
+9 primary (-2 TWF)
+4 primary (-2 TWF)
-1 primary (-2 TWF)
+9 off-hand (-2 TWF)
+4 off-hand (-2 TWF, -5 Imp TWF)
-6 off-hand (-2 TWF, -5 Imp TWF, -10 Greater TWF)

2:
+9 primary (-2 TWF)
+4 primary (-2 TWF)
-1 primary (-2 TWF)
+9 off-hand (-2 TWF)
+6 off-hand (-5 Imp TWF)
+1 off-hand (-10 Greater TWF)

3:
+9 primary (-2 TWF)
+6 primary (no penalty)
+1 primary (no penalty)
+9 off-hand (-2 TWF)
+4 off-hand (-2 TWF, -5 Imp TWF)
-6 off-hand (-2 TWF, -5 Imp TWF, -10 Greater TWF)

4:
+9 primary (-2 TWF)
+6 primary (no penalty)
+1 primary (no pendaly)
+9 off-hand (-2 TWF)
+6 off-hand (-5 Imp TWF)
+1 off-hand (-10 Greater TWF)

Or are not of these correct?

Also, for the purposes of TWF Rend, must a person make alternating attacks, with rend only coming into effect when a primary and off-hand weapon hit consecutively? Or can a person rend in any full attack that a primary and off-hand weapon hit, regardless of whether the hits were consecutive?

Thanks in advance!

[hogarth]

The correct answer is +9/+4/-1 (main hand) and +9/+4/-1 (off hand).

Two-Weapon Rend triggers in any round where you hit at least once with your main hand and at least once with your off hand. The order doesn't matter.

[Dazmiuth]

hogarth wrote:

The correct answer is +9/+4/-1 (main hand) and +9/+4/-1 (off hand).

If this is correct, why does the -2 stack with the second and third off-hand shots, but the -5 does not stack with the third?

[Nethys]

Look at it this way.

Your base attack bonus is +11. You get multiple attacks at +6 and +1, so your overall bonuses are:

+11/+6/+1

Two Weapon Fighting gives you an attack with an off-hand weapon, and reduces the penalties so that all your attacks with both primary and secondary weapons are -2/-2 (assuming light in off-hand). Your to hit now looks like this.

Primary: +9/+4/-1
Off Hand: +9

Improved Two Weapon Fighting gives you a second attack with a -5 penalty.

Primary: +9/+4/-1
Off-Hand: +9/+4

Greater Two Weapon Fighting gives you a third attack with a -10 penalty.

Primary: +9/+4/-1
Off-Hand: +9/+4/-1

Your God of Knowledge,
Nethys

[Dazmiuth]

Nethys wrote:

Look at it this way.

Your base attack bonus is +11. You get multiple attacks at +6 and +1, so your overall bonuses are:

+11/+6/+1

Two Weapon Fighting gives you an attack with an off-hand weapon, and reduces the penalties so that all your attacks with both primary and secondary weapons are -2/-2 (assuming light in off-hand). Your to hit now looks like this.

Primary: +9/+4/-1
Off Hand: +9

Improved Two Weapon Fighting gives you a second attack with a -5 penalty.

Primary: +9/+4/-1
Off-Hand: +9/+4

Greater Two Weapon Fighting gives you a third attack with a -10 penalty.

Primary: +9/+4/-1
Off-Hand: +9/+4/-1

Your God of Knowledge,
Nethys

Well, I was trying to make it much more complicated than that wasn't I....

[Majuba]

Dazmiuth wrote:

Well, I was trying to make it much more complicated than that wasn't I....

Just a bit :)