Quicken Spell's Special Confusion


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Currently in the book it reads:

"Special: You can apply the effects of this feat to a spell cast spontaneously, so long as it has a casting time that is not more than 1 full-round action, without increasing the spell's casting time."

That doesn't make sense to me at all. Does it perhaps mean to say:

"Special: You can apply the effects of this feat to a spell cast spontaneously, so long as it has a casting time that is not more than 1 full-round action, without increasing the spell's level."

And if it does, this is very good news for Clerics and Druids, Neutral Clerics being able to Inflict as a swift, then attack as a standard, or Druids being able to call nature's ally then do it again, creating a Zoo in one round.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Quickened spell now applies to spontaneously cast spells.

This is indeed good news for clerics and druids. It also means that a sorcerer and a bard can now enjoy Quickened spells.

Sovereign Court

I'm afraid not, it's merely referring to the fact that applying metamagic feats to spontaneous spells usually increases the casting time to a full round action. With Quicken Spell however, the casting time is not increased - the spell level is increased by the normal amount.

Scarab Sages

It means casting time. If you apply metamagic feats to a spell that is spontaneously cast, it normally increases the spell's casting time to a full round action.

This clarification is just to imply that Quicken Spell doesn't have that increase, otherwise the feat would be pointless.

Your God of Knowledge,
Nethys


DeathCon 00 wrote:

Currently in the book it reads:

"Special: You can apply the effects of this feat to a spell cast spontaneously, so long as it has a casting time that is not more than 1 full-round action, without increasing the spell's casting time."

That doesn't make sense to me at all. Does it perhaps mean to say:

"Special: You can apply the effects of this feat to a spell cast spontaneously, so long as it has a casting time that is not more than 1 full-round action, without increasing the spell's level."

And if it does, this is very good news for Clerics and Druids, Neutral Clerics being able to Inflict as a swift, then attack as a standard, or Druids being able to call nature's ally then do it again, creating a Zoo in one round.

No it shouldn't.

The problem is any spell cast spontaneously with a metamagic feat on it takes a full round action. This becomes an issue in the case of quicken spell since the effect of the metamagic feat is to lower the casting time to a swift action. So in order to allow classes like the bard and sorcerer to use quicken spell they add the special exemption for quicken spell.

EDIT: Wow, Ninja'd three times, at least it's by important people!


Ah I see. I forgot about that, its been too long since I had a Sorceror play in any of my games.


I have another question related to this.

If a Sorcerer wants to apply multiple Metamagic Feats to a single spell, what happens to Quicken Spell ?

Let's say that a Wizard wants to cast an Empowered Quickened Magic Missile; he only has to memorize it as a 7th-level spell in order to cast it as a swift spell (an Empowered Swift spell).

In 3.x, a Sorcerer could not use Quicken Spell, so obviously the answer was already done.

What is the case in Pathfinder ? Can a Sorcerer cast an Empowered Quickened Magic Missile as a swift action (where Quicken Spell takes dominance over the chain of Metamagic Feats)? Or rather, since Quicken Spell says that it cannot be applied to a spell with a casting time higher than 1 standard action, the Sorcerer cannot do it (an Empowered Magic Missile cast by a Sorcerer becomes a 'full-round action casting time' spell, and as such, it doesn't fall into the range of Quickening Spells anymore)?

I'm inclined to think the latter is correct, but is it true ?


The Wraith wrote:

Or rather, since Quicken Spell says that it cannot be applied to a spell with a casting time higher than 1 standard action, the Sorcerer cannot do it (an Empowered Magic Missile cast by a Sorcerer becomes a 'full-round action casting time' spell, and as such, it doesn't fall into the range of Quickening Spells anymore)?

I'm inclined to think the latter is correct, but is it true ?

Actually the feat reads "A spell whose casting time is more than 1 full-round action cannot be quickened." so I am going with yes you can have an 'Empowered Quickened Magic Missile'.

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