In 3.5 Bardic performances had a lingering effect for 5 rds.
In Pathfinder there's no lingering effect.
The Lingering Song feat from Comp Adventurer increased the lingering efffect to 1 min (10 rounds).
Does this mean that taking the lingering song feat makes the effects last for 5 rounds in Pathfinder, or is this feat considered invalidated in Pathfinder.
Thanks
Stephen
I would say that it doesn't work with the current bard without some significant modifications.
Blazej wrote: I would say that it doesn't work with the current bard without some significant modifications. Would have to agree. Even if you left it at 5 rounds that means a player uses bardic music for one round and gets 5 free. Basically that works out to 5 times the normal number of rounds per day. Holy cow what bard would NOT take that feat.
The Extra Performance feat gives 6 extra rounds per day which is pretty close to what Lingering Song gave. The other option would be take make Lingering Song usable maybe once a day or once per day per 5 levels. Just another idea, but some old feats are just not going to work right under Pathfinder.
To be honest I thought the number of rounds/day is so small as to be pretty poxy, so I don't really see a problem with spending a feat to get 5 rds of lingering effect. If you're worried that it's to powerful reduce it to 3 rds of lingering effect, but I simply don't see it as that big a deal when it's what the class is all about - "You're a 10th level Bard so you can perform for 2 and a 1/2 mins a day!". As for that becoming an auto feat for Bards, so what, Natural Spell is still an auto for Druids.
And as for the feat that gives you 6 more rounds/day of song. That comes to roughly 1 more small encounter a day. Colour me unimpressed.
Stephen
Stephen Ede wrote: "You're a 10th level Bard so you can perform for 2 and a 1/2 mins a day!". As long as you get that with the Linger Song feat at 5 bonus rounds you now jump to 12.5 minutes a day. That is one heck of an increase compared to the core feat that only gives an extra 36secs a day.
I am saying this as each round increases to 6 rounds with the Lingering Feat. You sing for 1 round, but you get 5 free. I know of no feat that increases a classes base ability by 5 times or even 3 times if you wish to make it 3 rounds per 1 round sung.
Its your game though I am just pointing out how a player will use the feat. Happy gaming.
Maybe it just a matter of how you see Bards.
I'm used to Bards been about boosting the party with singing. They could do a bit of spellcasting, mediocre fighting, and a reasonable degree of skills, but it was the songs that were their specialty.
The Pathfinder Bard seems to have had their songs/performances reduced to the "and they can sing as well" category. Maybe everything else has gotten better, but it's the singing that has gone from major to minor that leaps out at this point.
Stephen
One thing you could do with the feat, is to change it from +5 rounds, to double the duration. What that means, is that a bard with this feat could rotate song abilities (which I highly recommend roleplaying as a single song lol, otherwise it gets really weird) every other turn and maintain them both. For example, inspire courage, and countersong, or perhaps IC and Dragonfire inspiration, for the same cost as normally maintaining the music.
It's a nice feat, and the way I described it pretty much carries the same effective meaning the feat had. (If it raised it to 5 rounds then, in essense, you would spend a single round of bardic music to generate the effect for virtually the whole fight. Fights are estimated to last 6 rounds.)
kyrt-ryder wrote: One thing you could do with the feat, is to change it from +5 rounds, to double the duration. What that means, is that a bard with this feat could rotate song abilities (which I highly recommend roleplaying as a single song lol, otherwise it gets really weird) every other turn and maintain them both. For example, inspire courage, and countersong, or perhaps IC and Dragonfire inspiration, for the same cost as normally maintaining the music.
It's a nice feat, and the way I described it pretty much carries the same effective meaning the feat had. (If it raised it to 5 rounds then, in essense, you would spend a single round of bardic music to generate the effect for virtually the whole fight. Fights are estimated to last 6 rounds.)
Thanks. That's a really nice idea.
Stephen
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