[Rant] Rapid Reload Redacted, or The Halfing Anti-Defamation Thread


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I think everybody had one ridiculously hopeless thing they hoped would be fixed in the PFRPG. Mine? Small fighters. I LOVE playing halflings, but ever since The Shrinking of The Weapons in 3.5, I could only play casters and thieves; I couldn't propose playing a halfing barbarian to my group for fear that they'd knock me prone and begin threatening opportunity attacks.

When I heard about PFRPG, my heart leapt -- but I knew it was hopeless. But somewhere in Paizo HQ, someone felt my pain. And they responded -- by making halflings suck at range too.

Oh, losing the thrown/sling attack bonus wasn't so bad, I guess - I mean, all the races had to make sacrifices, right? (Pity those poor elves weeping over their spell penetration bonuses...) Besides, halflings got their own racial martial weapon, the halfling sling staff! True, the only way halfings can use it is by taking a level IN A MELEE CLASS, but never mind!

No, what's bugging me is the new Rapid Reload feat. It bugs me because it has been transformed, for no apparent reason, into the Rapid Crossbow Reload feat. In 3.5 the feat allowed slings to be reloaded at speed, but in the PFRPG anyone using the spanking new sling staff has no way to up their firing rate, forcing them to toss it aside at the mid-levels. Seriously, why create a racial weapon only to nerf it three chapters on?

Oh, don't worry, I WILL houserule this, but the question stands: Why would someone mess with this at all? Did kenders screw up your campaign world? Ewoks blow up your generators? What gives??


I sympathize.
All I can say is Quickdraw lets thrown weapons be used with full attacks ("like a bow")
I'd say interpreting slings as a 'thrown weapon' would be reasonable for this case.

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This does strike strike me as a completely unuseful change.

I know there must have been SOME rational, but I'm puzzled as to what it was.


The rewrite of Far Shot hurt the thrown weapon users too. It's like someone had a mad on for every ranged weapon without a "Bow" in it's name.


Yeah I agree the 3.0 weapon size damages really made more sense. Scratching my head . . . Oh wait I have got it they wanted me make sure the Halfling wasnt overpowered with the sling. J/k

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Ummmm, I'm sorry but I'm looking in my 3.5 PHB and it's saying word for word the exact same thing that the Pathfinder RPG says. It's always been a crossbow specific feat.

I think you were just not using the feat as written. 3.5 Rapid Reload was only for a specific type of crossbow. The flavor text is even the same.

So the rational is, they didn't change it at all.

It's even in the d20 SRD as such

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Heh, well that explains it.

I for one was probably thinking of the Iron Heroes version of the feat (which does extend to any "slow reloading" weapon, not just crossbows).


I still think Quickdraw would help you.
They ARE classed as projectile weapons, not thrown weapons where those categories are described in the Equipment Chapter, but reading the Combat section on Damage:Strenth Bonus:
"When you hit with a melee or thrown weapon, including a sling..."
indicates that slings ARE classed as thrown weapons for at least some purposes. Given they other-wise would "fall between the cracks" of the rules (between Rapid Reload for Crossbows and Quickdraw for Thrown Weapons), I think it's reasonable to treat them as Thrown Weapons for the purposes of Quickdraw. It'd be nice if Jason addresses this, and updates/edits the PDF/next printing if this intention is "officially blessed".

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