OK, so I really would like to play a very Dragonkin like character, but I would like to downgrade it to medium in size. Can anyone help me do this?
It is in the Draconomicon pg 150.
Simple rules on how to make a large creature medium would work if anyone know them.
Thanks!
Dungeonscape had a "dungeon bred" template that shrinks large or larger monsters down by one size category without an CR adjustment.
Dungeonscape had a "dungeon bred" template that shrinks large or larger monsters down by one size category without an CR adjustment.
I was hoping for an LA and/or HD reduction, that would include a CR reduction.
I will check out the book for that template thought.
Thanks!
In that case check out savage species too, and maybe look over at that one companies website... they did a couple of monsters as level progressions and might have done the dragonkin... I know they did Ambush Drakes.
OK thanks.
I'm being lazy and not looking up the actual stats, but here is my advice through my experience as a DM who once had a sleep deprived hallucination where I saw the world in d20 terms, like Neo from the Matrix.
Dragonkin are dragon type, which is arguably the best creature type (outsider is a close second, but +2 skill points doesn't beat the difference between a d8 and d12). Dragon hit dice are basically worth a regular class level each, because of how good they are. A beefy medium humanoid shaped creature should have 2-3 HD (lizardfolk/bugbear), so subtract accordingly.
Large size is generally accepted as an overall +1 level adjustment, so removing that (and the associated bonuses and penalties) should lower your level adjustment by 1. That should give you an end result about where you want. Don't forget that dropping to below 4hd means loosing that ability up (but you'll get it back later when you level up).
Hope that math helps.
I'm being lazy and not looking up the actual stats, but here is my advice through my experience as a DM who once had a sleep deprived hallucination where I saw the world in d20 terms, like Neo from the Matrix.
Dragonkin are dragon type, which is arguably the best creature type (outsider is a close second, but +2 skill points doesn't beat the difference between a d8 and d12). Dragon hit dice are basically worth a regular class level each, because of how good they are. A beefy medium humanoid shaped creature should have 2-3 HD (lizardfolk/bugbear), so subtract accordingly.
Large size is generally accepted as an overall +1 level adjustment, so removing that (and the associated bonuses and penalties) should lower your level adjustment by 1. That should give you an end result about where you want. Don't forget that dropping to below 4hd means loosing that ability up (but you'll get it back later when you level up).
Hope that math helps.
Actually the one in the Draconomicon is monstrous humanoid.
But yeah your right, this should reduce the LA by one.
So you want to play a medium size character who looks like a bipedal dragon, complete with wings, and who can wield weapons and armor, but you want it to be low ECL?
Try a Dracha from Monte Cook's Arcana Evolved, they're LA +0 and have six optional racial levels if you want to become a bit more dragony (and unlike fiddly level adjustments, you actually get HD, saves, etc. just like a normal class.) If you don't have access to the book, the stats are Open Content available on the Akashic Record Wiki
Of course, the wiki omits the specifics of the breath weapon and claws, etc. For that you will need a copy of the core book or a fan willing to post the bits not expressly stated as Open content.
So you want to play a medium size character who looks like a bipedal dragon, complete with wings, and who can wield weapons and armor, but you want it to be low ECL?
Try a Dracha from Monte Cook's Arcana Evolved, they're LA +0 and have six optional racial levels if you want to become a bit more dragony (and unlike fiddly level adjustments, you actually get HD, saves, etc. just like a normal class.) If you don't have access to the book, the stats are Open Content available on the Akashic Record Wiki
Of course, the wiki omits the specifics of the breath weapon and claws, etc. For that you will need a copy of the core book or a fan willing to post the bits not expressly stated as Open content.
Lets not forget the rake attacks too.
I fond everything except the size is to big, I don't like playing size large creatures. The more Class levels with this race the better, and just so happens I don't like playing large+ size races.
I may just go with the dungeonbred template mentioned earlier, but I just wanted to know what the rules where for reducing a creature from size large or size medium, and how that would effect the HD an LA.
Ran into this one with a player (kept large size though and had to make a 9 level monster class for this). I would simply drop all of the racial HD and everything associated with it (feats, skills, BAB, saves etc). Droppin down to medium isn't to bad, just remember to re-adjust the Str bonus associated with it. Claw damage will go to 1d4 instead of d6. Possibly (up to you and DM) lower fly speed slightly.
All in all by doing at your looking at LA +2 so you could start off at 3rd level. Not to bad either seeing as some of the little quirks with Dragonkin could boost the LA to +3. Hope that helps.
Ran into this one with a player (kept large size though and had to make a 9 level monster class for this). I would simply drop all of the racial HD and everything associated with it (feats, skills, BAB, saves etc). Droppin down to medium isn't to bad, just remember to re-adjust the Str bonus associated with it. Claw damage will go to 1d4 instead of d6. Possibly (up to you and DM) lower fly speed slightly.
All in all by doing at your looking at LA +2 so you could start off at 3rd level. Not to bad either seeing as some of the little quirks with Dragonkin could boost the LA to +3. Hope that helps.
I just realized It's speed. It is the ONLY size large creature I have ever seen that has a base land speed of 20ft!
That means it drops to a mere 10 ft at size medium.
The racial hit dice do reduce the LA a little though, so you can't just drop them, but if you found it to be alright then OK.
There's also the 3.5 ver. good-aligned Dragonborn in Races of the Dragon, if you don't mind the character starting out as another race...
Well I think I'd keep the land speed at 20, I'd just drop the fly down to 30 probably. As far as dropping the racial HD, there is no problem with that at all. If you have access to the Savage Species supplement, it has tons of information on this type of stuff.
As long as you knock the +8 Str down to maybe +4 or +6, I think You'd be good at LA +2. The LA ties into racial HD a little I believe, that's why if you dropped all of the HD etc, the LA may come up slightly. But as long as you make the minor adjustments it would be fine. You see orginally as a 7 HD creature, the dragonkins LA is based on the other abilities it has as a 7th level character (which really ends up being 9th) If you take those HD away, if it kept the exact abilities too the LA would come up a point or two because it is considered powerful for a creature of that level, (in this case 3rd or 4th level). However, alot of stuff may seem powerful in the beginning but become fairly "mundane" if you will after a few levels.
However, I would definately allow that as DM, in the long run after a couple of levels, it would not overpower fellow players IMO.