For traps with attack bonus are th 'victims' considered denied DEX or flat footed?
[nitpick]Denied Dex is not exactly the same as flat footed, although being flat footed makes you lose your Dex bonus to AC.[/nitpick]
If a character doesn't know where a trap is or if it's going to fire, he'll be flat footed against the trap. If, on the other hand he's seen the trap in action he should be allowed to retain his Dex bonus.
[nitpick]Denied Dex is not exactly the same as flat footed, although being flat footed makes you lose your Dex bonus to AC.[/nitpick]
If a character doesn't know where a trap is or if it's going to fire, he'll be flat footed against the trap. If, on the other hand he's seen the trap in action he should be allowed to retain his Dex bonus.
Indeed. Or if he's spotted the trap (ie cleric with can use a spell to find traps but has no way to disarm them) he should get it as clearly he knows its coming.
Otherwise yeah flat footed and ready to fall.
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[nitpick]Denied Dex is not exactly the same as flat footed, although being flat footed makes you lose your Dex bonus to AC.[/nitpick]
A good point, I was referring to that in THIS case, if they were denied dex they were flat footed. (The distinction is unnecessary) but yeah, good nitpicking.
As a flat footed PC with uncanny dodge is still flat footed for otehr effects.
Flat-Footed
A character who has not yet acted during a combat is flat-footed, not yet reacting normally to the situation. A flat-footed character loses his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) and cannot make attacks of opportunity.
If the trap has triggered, - and the PC has not yet acted (I admit if it has gone off before that is different) PCs *have* to be flat footed by the very definition.
Knowing a trap is there doesn't mean you know it is about to trigger.
That is the whole point of Uncanny Dodge, especially for rogues.
[nitpick]Denied Dex is not exactly the same as flat footed, although being flat footed makes you lose your Dex bonus to AC.[/nitpick]A good point, I was referring to that in THIS case, if they were denied dex they were flat footed. (The distinction is unnecessary) but yeah, good nitpicking.
As a flat footed PC with uncanny dodge is still flat footed for otehr effects.
Flat-Footed
A character who has not yet acted during a combat is flat-footed, not yet reacting normally to the situation. A flat-footed character loses his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) and cannot make attacks of opportunity.
If the trap has triggered, - and the PC has not yet acted (I admit if it has gone off before that is different) PCs *have* to be flat footed by the very definition.
Knowing a trap is there doesn't mean you know it is about to trigger.
That is the whole point of Uncanny Dodge, especially for rogues.
Well it would depend. Like I said a cleric using Find Traps, sees the trap and trigger, but he lacks the skill to disarm it. He may end up having to set it off anyway for whatever reason. If he does I would allow him his dex. Otherwise if it auto resets and the guy who went first sets it off, those following who saw it should get their dex, they know what it will do and should be able to be ready for it.
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Well it would depend. Like I said a cleric using Find Traps, sees the trap and trigger, but he lacks the skill to disarm it. He may end up having to set it off anyway for whatever reason. If he does I would allow him his dex. Otherwise if it auto resets and the guy who went first sets it off, those following who saw it should get their dex, they know what it will do and should be able to be ready for it.
Thus, in answer to the Original Poster, it depends on the situation :)