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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the only requirement for Paladin "Lawful Good alignment"? Priests are required to be within one step of their deity, worshipers are not. Paladins are not priests, but are merely holy warriors.
In a generic D&D 3.5, yes. But James Jacobs has noted that in the Golarion setting, it's the case that paladins, like clerics, are servants of particular gods (and only gods, not personal ethical structures), and need to be within one step on the alignment table.
I remember someone --maybe James again?-- saying that this would be codified in the final version of the Pathfinder RPGgame rules.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the only requirement for Paladin "Lawful Good alignment"? Priests are required to be within one step of their deity, worshipers are not. Paladins are not priests, but are merely holy warriors.In a generic D&D 3.5, yes. But James Jacobs has noted that in the Golarion setting, it's the case that paladins, like clerics, are servants of particular gods (and only gods, not personal ethical structures), and need to be within one step on the alignment table.
I remember someone --maybe James again?-- saying that this would be codified in the final version of the Pathfinder RPGgame rules.
A lot of this is up to the DM too. I prefer clerics to be the same alignment as their deity and do not allow divine spells to be granted apart from following a specific deity. That is, I do not allow priests of generic goodness to have access to spells. Same would go with Paladins. Though I think each church should have their own holy warriors, not just LG churches.
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i think the god who uses the greatsword is Gorum, the god of war, but he is CNCorrect me if I'm wrong, but isn't the only requirement for Paladin "Lawful Good alignment"? Priests are required to be within one step of their deity, worshipers are not. Paladins are not priests, but are merely holy warriors.
One can very easily be a Paladin who reveres Gorum for his strength and uncompromising attitude toward battle, and could probably even participate in Gorum's religious rites, as performed by a Chaotic Good priest, without violating his Paladin's Oaths.
Gorum... fights for the mere love of fighting...
how you middle between fight for justice and a greater cause?yes... sometimes they can be in the same side, like the NG, CG and maybe CN gorumites in Lastwall in a LG country (full of Iomedaeans)
yes they can coexist... but either a paladin serves the precepts of Law and Justice or serves a god/dess that serve some of this precept...
"its not we fight, we are cool toguether"
gorumites reveal in battle... a paladin must adhere to discipline
gorumites would fight for the love of fighting... a paladin would fight for a greater cause
gorumites need but a pretext to incite violence... paladins should the better option (no... the players who play a paladin as "ah you are evil I must kill you"... are just playing Lawful Idiot... not Lawful Good)
also... Pius Temple ask for discipline...
Iomedae is the goddess of war that best represent discipline in the battlefield, just like Athena did in ancient Greece
Gorum is about the pasion of battle, the feeling of destruction, just like Ares was in ancient Greece
while you might have an army working toguether (having non evil gorumites), having a Paladin traying to follow the precepts of the god of War... is a no no... play god of war... that is someone dedicated to War! if needed be... is better to play a cleric of Gorum, no restriction, just be cool with the bloodshed.
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How does a Paladin Know if a person is Lawful Good, Chaotic Good, or Neutral Good they dont. Only thing they cant regularly assoicate with is someone who radiates evil. Other then that they dont know the allignement of a character only what actions they take. If the chaotic good character is helping for the good of things then im pretty sure the paladin can get along, they just dont always see eye to eye
until the chaotic breakes enough rules and laws for the better good than the LG can support... or resist... either the paladin gets to a try a compromise with the CG ("ok... if you soemthing of the like... try never to let me know... or i will get you in jail or community service") or breaks ("ok i will look to the other side, just do it quickly")
first one is trying to guide by example and telling fairly enought that when they get to that pint the paladin will deal with it...
second is 1st step to lose paladinhood...
paladins will break some rules in order to depose a tyrant... but bring anarchy to the country so they can take on the tyrant... is a no no in the eyes of the law... and the law is the one that decides if the paladin keep his powers or not.
Well a Paladin could follow Athena, goddess of Battle, who was LG back in 1st ed. Or Tyr the norse god of law and war, LG as well back then.
So it is possible to play a Paladin of a War god, but not of a god of wanton war and destruction.
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In a generic D&D 3.5, yes. But James Jacobs has noted that in the Golarion setting, it's the case that paladins, like clerics, are servants of particular gods (and only gods, not personal ethical structures), and need to be within one step on the alignment table.I remember someone --maybe James again?-- saying that this would be codified in the final version of the Pathfinder RPGgame rules.
I believe you are correct on both points, and in August, I will reluctantly bow to the rules-based consensus. Until then, I shall defiantly create Paladins of Gorum and Rangers of Abadar. :D
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Well a Paladin could follow Athena, goddess of Battle, who was LG back in 1st ed. Or Tyr the norse god of law and war, LG as well back then.
So it is possible to play a Paladin of a War god, but not of a god of wanton war and destruction.
I agreed in this
I was using examples to show the different aspects of war
remembet Iomedae was a paladin, is goddess of justice, has the most paladins and even silver dragons following her :P
so here we have our Golarion's Athena
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Paladins will break some rules in order to depose a tyrant... but bring anarchy to the country so they can take on the tyrant... is a no no in the eyes of the law... and the law is the one that decides if the paladin keep his powers or not.
Only if you're referring to those laws that were set for the good of the citizens, and not some later, arbitary demands set by the evil tyrant. Those are irrelevant, and can be ignored.
Also, if the tyrant's guilt has been established, he may have been declared outlaw or excommunicated. In either case, it means that any and all means are justified to deal with him. 'Outlaw' means exactly that; failing in one's responsibilities as a law-abiding citizen, means one is no longer within the protective embrace of the law.
Paladins will break some rules in order to depose a tyrant... but bring anarchy to the country so they can take on the tyrant... is a no no in the eyes of the law... and the law is the one that decides if the paladin keep his powers or not.Only if you're referring to those laws that were set for the good of the citizens, and not some later, arbitary demands set by the evil tyrant. Those are irrelevant, and can be ignored.
Also, if the tyrant's guilt has been established, he may have been declared outlaw or excommunicated. In either case, it means that any and all means are justified to deal with him. 'Outlaw' means exactly that; failing in one's responsibilities as a law-abiding citizen, means one is no longer within the protective embrace of the law.
Any and all, no. A paladin must always follow a code of behavior. The use of poison would almost never be justifed, the use of assassin he hires to kill the tyrant would also be right out(class assassin ie Evil). A paladin cannot simply justify any action because he is fighting evil.
He certain can ignore the laws of a tyrant, but he can't walk up to his men and slaughter them for no purpose other then to do so. He could if faced with the need to get by them to recover innocient peoples, kill the evil tyrant, or in self defense. But not just because they are soldiers of his. They might not be evil, and he must take that into account.
Basically a paladin is held to a higher standard them the tyrant.
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Any and all, no. A paladin must always follow a code of behavior. The use of poison would almost never be justifed, the use of assassin he hires to kill the tyrant would also be right out(class assassin ie Evil). A paladin cannot simply justify any action because he is fighting evil.
He certain can ignore the laws of a tyrant, but he can't walk up to his men and slaughter them for no purpose other then to do so. He could if faced with the need to get by them to recover innocient peoples, kill the evil tyrant, or in self defense. But not just because they are soldiers of his. They might not be evil, and he must take that into account.
Basically a paladin is held to a higher standard them the tyrant.
good explanation Thurgon
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Any and all, no. A paladin must always follow a code of behavior. The use of poison would almost never be justifed, the use of assassin he hires to kill the tyrant would also be right out(class assassin ie Evil). A paladin cannot simply justify any action because he is fighting evil.
There are cases where a paladin could use poison - the same ones that you or I would - against vermin, animals or mindless creatures. They couldn't use it against a thinking foe, since that would be dishonorable, but if they have a giant rat problem, I don't think paladins would mind.
Any and all, no. A paladin must always follow a code of behavior. The use of poison would almost never be justifed, the use of assassin he hires to kill the tyrant would also be right out(class assassin ie Evil). A paladin cannot simply justify any action because he is fighting evil.There are cases where a paladin could use poison - the same ones that you or I would - against vermin, animals or mindless creatures. They couldn't use it against a thinking foe, since that would be dishonorable, but if they have a giant rat problem, I don't think paladins would mind.
Sure no issue there. Or if the only way to defeat some great evil was to poison it first to weaken it, if he was sure that was the only way. Cases exist were a paladin might be willing to use poison. But in general he would never consider it an option, nor should he.
But he's a noble hero, think idealized Superman. He doesn't just follow the code because he should, he does it because he truly and fully believes the code matters and adds real meaning to the world and his life. He doesn't look for excuses to break it, he looks for ways to keep it.
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I believe you are correct on both points, and in August, I will reluctantly bow to the rules-based consensus. Until then, I shall defiantly create Paladins of Gorum and Rangers of Abadar. :D
Hmm !! Maybe I should try to convince my DM to let me play a Paladin of Rovagug ;-P
"Stop attacking these innocent gnolls right now !!!"
Is beauty Truth ? Or does it lie in the eye of the Famous Monster not available from WOTC ?
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So im a munchkin because I optimize my characters so they are effective in and out of combat?
So cause I have an idea for an inquisitor of evil and add pious templar for my left over levels im a munchkin I heavily disagree
Crusader (Fighter/Cleric) + a greatsword which is also his god...Paladin of the GreatSword Alion.
"You worship a Sword?"
"Yes!"
"You worship that...sword?"
"Yes!"
"You are a paladin of that sword?"
"Yes!"
"Wa! ha! ha! ha!"
"Behold The Greatsword Alion! Destroyer of chaos and evil!"