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I was talking with one of the guys from one of my two gaming groups about CotCT, and how we are going back to that soon. (Finishing off a 4e homebrew story arc, and then back "home" to stay I think.)
Anyway... he's all about Vikings, the Norse, and all things furry and frozen. He was telling me about his barbarian character (of Ulfen ethnicity) and something he'd like to work into the background of his character. And it was pretty cool, and quite shockingly close to the beginnings of Second Darkness. (I told him about that, and he hadn't even known about the current AP. And bear with me, I'm getting to my subject/point of my thread...)
I had to nix his overall idea, as it has very little to do with CotCT, but told him we could tackle SD after the successful completion of CotCT. But his "love" of Vikings and Norse legends and stuff got me thinking, and I cracked open PFCCS and read the entries for Irrisen, Lands of the Linnorm Kings, and Realm of the Mammoth Lords... and this got me to thinking about creating a campaign of my own set up in the aforementioned lands up North, possibly even utilizing Baba Yaga in some way and one of her most famous of daughters... Iggwilv, since she is ever so wonderfully detailed in the next to last Dungeon Magazine. (Probably not as an adversary, unless the characters would be incredibly stupid. But as someone who has information they want or need. Much as her role in the "Savage Tide" AP.)
I thought it was so cool to have Baba Yaga mentioned in the Campaign Setting, and I love to see something "official" done in the lands up North. If not, and I get my writing chops, I wouldn't mind proposing my ideas for later consideration.
(As an aside, is the AD&D module "Baba Yaga's Hut" worthwhile? I have heard mixed reviews of it. I have also heard someone praising a Dungeon adventure that featured Baba Yaga, and everyone seemed to think this one was very good. I am tempted to buy the PDF of the AD&D module, and would also consider the Dungeon adventure if available as a PDF.) Any ideas on this?
~As a second aside... anyone else think that the "White Witch" from the Chronicles of Narnia might be another of Baba Yaga's daughters?

~Regards, the Minstrel Wyrm


I believe that the White Witch is of a family line descended from giants and efreet. Though I suppose Baba Yaga's origins could be anything.

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The_Minstrel_Wyrm wrote:


(As an aside, is the AD&D module "Baba Yaga's Hut" worthwhile? I have heard mixed reviews of it

Ennnnh. It's certainly not a classic. For 5 bucks, it might be worth mining for ideas that can be better implemented.

A Baba Yaga home-made AP would be pretty awesome, though. Keep us in the loop!


I'm running the Savage Tide in Golarion and (spoiler for Savage Tide AP):

Spoiler:
I'm planning on running Iggwilv as is, except that I'm going to refer to her as Tasha through the whole thing.


cappadocius wrote:
The_Minstrel_Wyrm wrote:


(As an aside, is the AD&D module "Baba Yaga's Hut" worthwhile? I have heard mixed reviews of it

Ennnnh. It's certainly not a classic. For 5 bucks, it might be worth mining for ideas that can be better implemented.

A Baba Yaga home-made AP would be pretty awesome, though. Keep us in the loop!

This is a fact: James Jacobs has been reimagining / revisioning / rewriting the AD&D Module for Baba Yaga's Hut (originally written by Roger Moore for Dragon Magazine). In his precious and scarce free time.

Its on his hard drive. I've mentioned it to him before at the rare Paizo chats that I attend on Tuesday night, so this is not rumor or speculation. James does not deny it.

Also.. it's hobby writing so far. For his own pleasure. Not necessarily on the docket, so far as I know (but this is the first thread I've read in a few weeks, so forgive me if I'm overlooking something).

But.. that is also why I have been pushing for a Viking AP. Because I'd love to see a Viking versus Witches AP, guest starring some Linnorms. It would not be hard to take that preliminary work and turn it into a proper module, or chapter in an AP.

If this notion excites you, please promote it to the Editorial Team.


The adventure in Dragon #83 was pretty cool, I remember, although I haven't read it in a while.

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Watcher wrote:
This is a fact: James Jacobs has been reimagining / revisioning / rewriting the AD&D Module for Baba Yaga's Hut (originally written by Roger Moore for Dragon Magazine). In his precious and scarce free time.

True story. I've not gotten that FAR into my little conversion doc, but I do have stats for the hut all done up! :P


The 1984 adventure (1e) in Dragon magazine ("The Dancing Hut," by Roger E. Moore) was indeed very, very cool.

The 1995 adventure (2e) marketed as "The Dancing Hut of Baba Yaga" (by Lisa Smedman) is no descendant of the excellent Dragon adventure, unfortunately, and is in fact completely and utterly worthless trash.

I understand there's a third-party d20 version based in a more traditional mythical Russia floating around somewhere, but am unable to comment on that.


Kirth Gersen wrote:

The 1984 adventure (1e) in Dragon magazine ("The Dancing Hut," by Roger E. Moore) was indeed very, very cool.

The 1995 adventure (2e) marketed as "The Dancing Hut of Baba Yaga" (by Lisa Smedman) is no descendant of the excellent Dragon adventure, unfortunately, and is in fact completely and utterly worthless trash.

I understand there's a third-party d20 version based in a more traditional mythical Russia floating around somewhere, but am unable to comment on that.

I was not impressed by the 1984 adventure. But YMMV.

Baba Yaga made an appearance in a 1989 product called Greyhawk Castle, which was a spoof of TSRs modules. It's very silly, although I did manage to revamp it into a serious adventure campaign which is currently suspended, pending a decision of how to reestablish it.

In this appearance, Baba Yaga basically makes a cameo where she is chasing a halfling who stole something from her. As I said, the actual adventure was kind of silly, and a very clumsy attempt to set up an "Abbot and Costello" skit, but for what it is worth you can certainly use the idea of BY being after some thief.


Utgardloki wrote:


I was not impressed by the 1984 adventure. But YMMV.

I don't know if it was any good as a module, per se. But as a 10 year old kid, I thought that yagnodaemons and steam-powered dwarven tanks were pretty cool.


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Wow... I posted this (originally) as something of a "lark"... y'know just rambling about thoughts, ideas, and stuff. And it seems I may have hit on something. (I'll be getting together with that player and the group he's in this weekend... by-the-way) and in addition to wanting to finish CotCT, I may say something about trying out a Viking/Norse themed adventure with them (but likely after CotCT) unless Erik has his way (and is able to convince) the rest... who knows I may be working on that very soon ("that" being a Viking/Norse themed adventure.)
Thanks to everyone who showed some interest and posted. (Wow... even James Jacobs chimed in! How cool is that? Thanks James.)

Happy New Year everyone!

Regards,

Dean; the_Minstrel_Wyrm


Never mind the contents of the Hut, the tesseract dungeon is a hilarious way to mess with obsessive mapmaker players' heads.

As an obsessive mapmaker, I can personally attest to its effectiveness. :)


Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:

Never mind the contents of the Hut, the tesseract dungeon is a hilarious way to mess with obsessive mapmaker players' heads.

As an obsessive mapmaker, I can personally attest to its effectiveness. :)

No matter how many times I read the two tesseract-themed articles from Dragon, there's no way I can think of actually running the thing without being prepared to resort to DM fiat to get the characters out of it, even with the nice animation on wikipedia.


wspatterson wrote:
I believe that the White Witch is of a family line descended from giants and efreet. Though I suppose Baba Yaga's origins could be anything.

She was also the last queen of Charn (and destroyed it all with the Deplorable Word, just to keep her sister from ruling it), for what that's worth.


There's mention in the Pathfinder Campaign Setting timeline of Baba Yaga's granddaughter Ulizmila entering Darkmoon Forest (similar to darkmoon vale?)...I was wondering if anyone knew anything more about this? or where I could get some info about her...seems like Baba Yaga has an awful lot of Daughters and granddaughters etc..


The portrayal of Baba Yaga (and her hut) as a dimension-traveling hag of incredible power (IIRC) in the Dragon magazine adventure would fit well with having her make an appearance in Golarion. She is a cool villain/source of mysterious information/quest generating uber-powerful being, and has the great advantage of being rooted in Russian folklore and thus immune to copyright law, unlike her adopted daughter Tasha/Iggwilv.

I'm afraid I've had some inspirations about using Baba Yaga in a campaign I'm cooking up, using a combination of my own material and published adventures, to be set in Greyhawk. I like Paizo's new campaign world, but I'm afraid the last two Dungeon APs really rekindled my interest in Greyhawk. Some day, I hope to have time to game in Golarion! Perhaps Baba Yaga will provide the means for my PCs to get there.

I can't remember for certain, but IIRC, the Dragon Baba Yaga's Hut featured a Baba Yaga who was an ultra-powerful hag of some sort. Jadis the White Witch's lineage might point to a similar kind of being. For further inspiration, one might look into the Witches in Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy.


The Painted Oryx wrote:
There's mention in the Pathfinder Campaign Setting timeline of Baba Yaga's granddaughter Ulizmila entering Darkmoon Forest (similar to darkmoon vale?)...I was wondering if anyone knew anything more about this? or where I could get some info about her...seems like Baba Yaga has an awful lot of Daughters and granddaughters etc..

Baba Yaga adopts orphaned girls as apprentices. Some of them turn out to be very good, and some, well . . . Iggwilv would be an example of the worst. Over the centuries, one supposes she might have seeded multiple worlds with her "daughters."


Peruhain of Brithondy wrote:
I can't remember for certain, but IIRC, the Dragon Baba Yaga's Hut featured a Baba Yaga who was an ultra-powerful hag of some sort. Jadis the White Witch's lineage might point to a similar kind of being. For further inspiration, one might look into the Witches in Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy.

I just had to look it up: It says that she is on the level of the quasi-deities and saints of greyhawk. She might be encountered as a random wandering monster, with a chance of her "advising a lich, mage or archmage visitor". Her "daughters" Natasha (or Tasha) and Elena are high-level mages as well, one evil and one good.

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Just one thing worth mentioning: "baba" means "grandmother", so it's "Grandmother Yaga".


Watcher wrote:

But.. that is also why I have been pushing for a Viking AP. Because I'd love to see a Viking versus Witches AP, guest starring some Linnorms. It would not be hard to take that preliminary work and turn it into a proper module, or chapter in an AP.

If this notion excites you, please promote it to the Editorial Team.

This would be so freaking awesome. SO FREAKING AWESOME.


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Heh heh... I am so totally amazed and blown away at the level of interest and response to my "ramblings" regarding this little thread I started a couple weeks ago. You are all awesome (and good for my ego) and I am definitely cooking up something with this idea in mind. Of course they have to survive CotCT, and then it's up to the Ulfen barbarian (Wolfgar by name, and apparently (according to the player) having nothing to do with a similarly named character) to convince his allies that he fought beside to take a journey up North to his homeland and take the fight to the Witches of Irrisen. (And they'd be about 15th or 16th level by this time) so I'd get to have a lot of fun with some high-level play. (Just imagine this... Jotunblood frost giants of the Apocalypse! Yes... a Jotunblood frost giant of Death, and Famine, and Pestilence, and War!!!) I just loved the idea of those two templates together. (Advanced Bestiary rocks!) And then there's working up a stat block for Queen Elvanna (so what do you think... sorceress or wizard?) Hmmm maybe giving her the Suzerain template as well... with the Charisma bonus sorceress would be best of course...

Anyway... you guys are great. I'll keep you in the loop as this idea continues to progress.


nightflier wrote:
Just one thing worth mentioning: "baba" means "grandmother", so it's "Grandmother Yaga".

And her full title is Baba Yaga Kostianaya Noga: "Grandmother Yaga Boneylegs."

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I once ran an adventure featuring Baba Yaga and Deda Mraz. "Deda Mraz" means "Grandfather Frost". During the 20th century that became the Slav name for Santa Claus, but originally he was a bringer of winter.

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The Painted Oryx wrote:
There's mention in the Pathfinder Campaign Setting timeline of Baba Yaga's granddaughter Ulizmila entering Darkmoon Forest (similar to darkmoon vale?)...I was wondering if anyone knew anything more about this? or where I could get some info about her...seems like Baba Yaga has an awful lot of Daughters and granddaughters etc..

Ulizmila is mentioned in D0-Hollow's Last Hope.


Vikings and a Beowulf-esque Adventure Path would be pretty awesome indeed - and one long overdue IMO. :)


Baba Yaga definitely still has a lasting cultural impression! When living in rural Alaska two years ago, I substitute-taught at the local Middle School, and the Russian immigrant population all knew Baba Yaga.

My favorite response was from a very serious 12 year old girl:
"Baba Yaga is not real, but the stories are."


WormysQueue wrote:
Ulizmila is mentioned in D0-Hollow's Last Hope.

Yeah. She was the b***h who sold a woman a book of herbal remedies and then took her eyes for payment.

That's just cruel.


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Great thoughts everyone, I am currently running a series of modules set in Darkmoon Vale, (D0, 1, 1.5, E1, D4, and the Last Baron Modules), and plan on bringing in the Whispering Tyrant, the Witch of the North and then Babba Yaga. Umzilla is mentioned in D0, and in E1 Syntira the Nymph Queen of the Fey refers to the encroaching cold from the Ice Queen in the North. I've been holding out hope that Paizo might expand on this and provide us with some more crunch and fluff to expand on. IMHO this would be a great Epic AP.

Just some thoughts, good gaming,
Jeff


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Peruhain of Brithondy wrote:

The portrayal of Baba Yaga (and her hut) as a dimension-traveling hag of incredible power (IIRC) in the Dragon magazine adventure would fit well with having her make an appearance in Golarion. She is a cool villain/source of mysterious information/quest generating uber-powerful being, and has the great advantage of being rooted in Russian folklore and thus immune to copyright law, unlike her adopted daughter Tasha/Iggwilv.

I'm afraid I've had some inspirations about using Baba Yaga in a campaign I'm cooking up, using a combination of my own material and published adventures, to be set in Greyhawk. I like Paizo's new campaign world, but I'm afraid the last two Dungeon APs really rekindled my interest in Greyhawk. Some day, I hope to have time to game in Golarion! Perhaps Baba Yaga will provide the means for my PCs to get there.

I can't remember for certain, but IIRC, the Dragon Baba Yaga's Hut featured a Baba Yaga who was an ultra-powerful hag of some sort. Jadis the White Witch's lineage might point to a similar kind of being. For further inspiration, one might look into the Witches in Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy.

I want to thank you for posting on my little "Baba Yaga ramble" and also for suggesting Phil Pullman's trilogy. I really enjoyed "Golden Compass" and it has given me inspiration, but I have never read the books. Shortly after reading your post, I bought a collected volume, and now it's just a matter of sitting down and reading it.

Oh and thanks also for seeing my thought about Jadis; the White Witch. I just think she resembles Queen Elvanna (or is that the other way around?) :-)
Good Gaming!
The Minstrel Wyrm


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Wow... it has been waaay to long since I gave this thread some attention.

But, attend to my words, ye readers and hear me... "Witches Twilight" is about to begin.

This "homebrew" AP takes place in the Lands of the Linnorm Kings, Irrisen, and Realms of the Mammoth Lords.

I've been having trouble with lots of "false starts" for games, trying to maintain 2 different RPG habits (PFRPG won!), and I've finally gotten the group ready and willing to give my Vikings vs. Witches campaign a try.

DM_aka_Dudemeister if you're looking around at messageboards... (and everyone else who wanted to know about this homebrew AP) I'll be posting a campaign storyline over in the Campaign Journal messageboards and I'll call it "Witches Twilight"

2 players have made their characters, and I have a potential 7 players interested. I know of 2 other characters for sure (so including the halfling druid and the dwarf bard (skald), I have a player wanting to create an Ulfen ranger (two-weapon fighting), and of course Erik (my guy who is responsible for my even thinking about this in the first place) playing his Ulfen barbarian. That leaves 3 players/characters remaining and 7 classes from which they can choose from. And hopefully those players that have not actually created their character yet, will be able to gather at my place this coming Sunday, October 11th. Then the first session (might be) the following Sunday (the 18th.) Whew... this has been a long time in coming... but I think it's finally here!

~Excelsior! True Believers.

The Minstrel Wyrm

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Random thoughts on an Irrisen AP;

Irrisen AP brainstorm.

Thoughts on 'cold fey;'

Cold Fey.

Some other dude's thoughts on adventures in Irrisen;

Last Ride of the Mammoth Lords.

Silver Crusade

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The_Minstrel_Wyrm wrote:

Wow... it has been waaay to long since I gave this thread some attention.

But, attend to my words, ye readers and hear me... "Witches Twilight" is about to begin.

This "homebrew" AP takes place in the Lands of the Linnorm Kings, Irrisen, and Realms of the Mammoth Lords.

I've been having trouble with lots of "false starts" for games, trying to maintain 2 different RPG habits (PFRPG won!), and I've finally gotten the group ready and willing to give my Vikings vs. Witches campaign a try.

DM_aka_Dudemeister if you're looking around at messageboards... (and everyone else who wanted to know about this homebrew AP) I'll be posting a campaign storyline over in the Campaign Journal messageboards and I'll call it "Witches Twilight"

2 players have made their characters, and I have a potential 7 players interested. I know of 2 other characters for sure (so including the halfling druid and the dwarf bard (skald), I have a player wanting to create an Ulfen ranger (two-weapon fighting), and of course Erik (my guy who is responsible for my even thinking about this in the first place) playing his Ulfen barbarian. That leaves 3 players/characters remaining and 7 classes from which they can choose from. And hopefully those players that have not actually created their character yet, will be able to gather at my place this coming Sunday, October 11th. Then the first session (might be) the following Sunday (the 18th.) Whew... this has been a long time in coming... but I think it's finally here!

~Excelsior! True Believers.

The Minstrel Wyrm

Witch's Twilight, got it. Can't wait to see how it goes.


nightflier wrote:
Just one thing worth mentioning: "baba" means "grandmother", so it's "Grandmother Yaga".

In polish "baba" is one of Synonyms of woman. In this form usually used with negative attitude toward defined person. Often used when speaking about old woman ("stara baba").

nightflier wrote:
"Deda Mraz" means "Grandfather Frost". During the 20th century that became the Slav name for Santa Claus, but originally he was a bringer of winter.

It isn't used in all Slavic lands. In Poland "Grandfather Frost" ("Dziadek Mróz") is only perceived as Russian version of Santa Claus or person forced by communists to replace Santa Claus.

Original Polish version of Santa Claus and Grandfather Frost is Saint Nicholas (in polish "swiety Mikolaj") (20 years ago presented in bishops uniform, now in hamburgers era he looks like typical western Santa Claus - old man in red pyjama :( ).

Hmm... About stuff related to Baba Yaga and rest I think I cling details.


Can't wait to see "Witch's Twilight", sounds fascinating!


JFK68 wrote:

Great thoughts everyone, I am currently running a series of modules set in Darkmoon Vale, (D0, 1, 1.5, E1, D4, and the Last Baron Modules), and plan on bringing in the Whispering Tyrant, the Witch of the North and then Babba Yaga. Umzilla is mentioned in D0, and in E1 Syntira the Nymph Queen of the Fey refers to the encroaching cold from the Ice Queen in the North. I've been holding out hope that Paizo might expand on this and provide us with some more crunch and fluff to expand on. IMHO this would be a great Epic AP.

Just some thoughts, good gaming,
Jeff

Myself, I've been wondering what connection the Witches of Irrisen have to the problems with the Darkmoon Vale fey. Hopefully we'll get at least a few hints on it one day.

And if not, well, then we'll just have to make it up. ;)

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Satrapa wrote:
nightflier wrote:
Just one thing worth mentioning: "baba" means "grandmother", so it's "Grandmother Yaga".

In polish "baba" is one of Synonyms of woman. In this form usually used with negative attitude toward defined person. Often used when speaking about old woman ("stara baba").

nightflier wrote:
"Deda Mraz" means "Grandfather Frost". During the 20th century that became the Slav name for Santa Claus, but originally he was a bringer of winter.

It isn't used in all Slavic lands. In Poland "Grandfather Frost" ("Dziadek Mróz") is only perceived as Russian version of Santa Claus or person forced by communists to replace Santa Claus.

Original Polish version of Santa Claus and Grandfather Frost is Saint Nicholas (in polish "swiety Mikolaj") (20 years ago presented in bishops uniform, now in hamburgers era he looks like typical western Santa Claus - old man in red pyjama :( ).

Hmm... About stuff related to Baba Yaga and rest I think I cling details.

In South Slavic languages "baba" has meaning of "grandmother" and "crone", so it's similar to Polish version of the word. But, Poles had some personification of winter before they accepted Christianity - all of the Slavs did. I'm not that versed in Polish folk customs, being South Slav (at least in one part, anyway), so I can't say what that personification was, but I could check.


I hope that no one will have grudge against this kind of off topic.
Western Slavic (don't know if it also works in eastern tribes descendants) personification of winter (and death) is Marzanna (in Czech Morana, in Slovak Morena, I don't know Sorbian version).
There is tradition of burning or drowning in rivers straw effigy of Marzanna as a symbol of Winters end and welcoming Spring.

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Satrapa wrote:

I hope that no one will have grudge against this kind of off topic.

Western Slavic (don't know if it also works in eastern tribes descendants) personification of winter (and death) is Marzanna (in Czech Morana, in Slovak Morena, I don't know Sorbian version).
There is tradition of burning or drowning in rivers straw effigy of Marzanna as a symbol of Winters end and welcoming Spring.

I think that Russians have same tradition. Serbs had a goddess Morana, who was a goddess of death, but there are some opinions that Serbian goddess was Mokosh and that Morana was imported from Russia.


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The_Minstrel_Wyrm wrote:

Wow... it has been waaay to long since I gave this thread some attention.

But, attend to my words, ye readers and hear me... "Witches Twilight" is about to begin.

This "homebrew" AP takes place in the Lands of the Linnorm Kings, Irrisen, and Realms of the Mammoth Lords.

I've been having trouble with lots of "false starts" for games, trying to maintain 2 different RPG habits (PFRPG won!), and I've finally gotten the group ready and willing to give my Vikings vs. Witches campaign a try.

DM_aka_Dudemeister if you're looking around at messageboards... (and everyone else who wanted to know about this homebrew AP) I'll be posting a campaign storyline over in the Campaign Journal messageboards and I'll call it "Witches Twilight"

2 players have made their characters, and I have a potential 7 players interested. I know of 2 other characters for sure (so including the halfling druid and the dwarf bard (skald), I have a player wanting to create an Ulfen ranger (two-weapon fighting), and of course Erik (my guy who is responsible for my even thinking about this in the first place) playing his Ulfen barbarian. That leaves 3 players/characters remaining and 7 classes from which they can choose from. And hopefully those players that have not actually created their character yet, will be able to gather at my place this coming Sunday, October 11th. Then the first session (might be) the following Sunday (the 18th.) Whew... this has been a long time in coming... but I think it's finally here!

~Excelsior! True Believers.

The Minstrel Wyrm

Yeah... about "Witches Twilight"... suddenly several things have happened to put it on the back burner yet again.

First, the player who was mostly responsible for my even thinking about this, unexpectedly move away from the area. Have talked to him a little, but he's saying he's just not able to drive back and forth for a twice a month game (it'd be like 4-6 hours round trip for him, no game is really worth that.) But he did urge me to "carry on" and run the adventure path for the others. Okay. That was the plan.

Second, now the other players can't seem to make time to gather and create characters, or can't get the time off from work (and by that I mean have a Sunday free), another player won't come if he's the only one coming (plus he's got lots of classwork) and that left two players who were interested. One has joined my more regular group on Mondays (and I've got them involved in the latter half of "Legacy of Fire" started them with part 4 "End of Eternity" and they've just begun part 5 "The Impossible Eye", so it should be interesting.) The other kinda goes in and out of liking RPGs. But I may do some 1 on 1 stuff with his character, see how he likes it.

So, for all you paizoians that wanted to follow "Witches Twilight" you may have to wait a little longer. (I've decided that "if the worst should happen" I'd run my more reliable Monday-Knights through the homebrew AP. We just added a sixth player, and that's actually doubled them up from their previous player status.)

The only good thing about not running my homebrew AP yet, Cities of Golarion will be out soon, and the Bestiary had LINNORMS! (Yes! I was afraid I'd have to "create" Linnorms for my Vikings vs. Witches Adventure Path. The great designers at Paizo did a much better job I think.)

Okay, here ends my rant about this.

Thanks for listening.

Dean; the Minstrel Wyrm

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Peruhain of Brithondy wrote:


Baba Yaga adopts orphaned girls as apprentices. Some of them turn out to be very good, and some, well . . . Iggwilv would be an example of the worst. Over the centuries, one supposes she might have seeded multiple worlds with her "daughters."

Depends on one's point of view. Yaga isn't one of the world's nicest people herself and she may be quite proud of what use "Natasha" made of her lessons.


James Jacobs wrote:
Watcher wrote:
This is a fact: James Jacobs has been reimagining / revisioning / rewriting the AD&D Module for Baba Yaga's Hut (originally written by Roger Moore for Dragon Magazine). In his precious and scarce free time.
True story. I've not gotten that FAR into my little conversion doc, but I do have stats for the hut all done up! :P

Oh must see, must see, when will it be published and in what edition or format?

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I thought Baba Yaga's Hut was good, but that was played when I was a munchkin. I will need to replay with a better GM.

I'll go sit on my wife until she runs it for me, then get back to you.


I'm from Russia. In russian "baba" means adult woman or grandmother. It is not a negative word. It's a very simple word.
We don's say "deda mraz", we call him "Ded Moroz". "Ded" means "old man" or "grandfather". "Moroz" means "frost".
Well... Mraz' - is something very different in russian language. It means "scum". It is a really insulting word.
Ded Moroz had several prototypes. One is saint Nicholas, archbishop and a miracle man, who was the prototype of Santa Claus also. The others Ded Moroz prototypes are very old pagan russian gods Pozvizd, Zimnik and Korochun.
Baba Yaga and Ded Moroz are very famous in Russia, ALL people know about them. Children are growing up reading folklore tales about Baba Yaga. She and Ded Moroz are as well-known in Russia as Simpsons or Santa Claus in America.
The full title is truly Baba Yaga Kostianaya Noga: "Grandmother (or woman) Yaga Boneylegs." There also exists lots of modern fantasy novels based on russian mythology about Baba Yaga. I was very surprised to find this old witch in D&D. I thought that only russians know about this uncharming cannibalistic person (and LOVE to write wonderful satire on her! Oh yeah!).

I'm a D&D novice.
Please, maybe someone can tell me or e-mail me (lenny22@yahoo.co.uk): were there any other borrowings from Slav mythology in D&D?
And who actually put Baba Yaga in D&D universe?


Lenny H wrote:
And who actually put Baba Yaga in D&D universe?

Welcome aboard, Lenny!

Baba Yaga's Hut was detailed as an artifact in the 1st Edition Dungeon Masters Guide. An earlier version may exist as many aspects of 1e first appeared in Dragon magazine, Chainmail, and the D&D folios.

The various hags have always seemed like a Slavic influence to me.

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
I understand there's a third-party d20 version based in a more traditional mythical Russia floating around somewhere, but am unable to comment on that.

To reply to something that was posted not quite 12 months ago ....

I think you are refering to the two Monkey God modules (Tsar Rising, and The Dancing Hut). Reading through them, they were pretty hit and miss - some great scenes, and some parts that make me wonder what they were thinking when they wrote it. They seemed to me to involve the PCs just being there, while cool things unfolded around them for them to react to, which might be a problem for some groups. (Although not mine, I don't think.)

If I was ever to run them, I'd rewrite them for lower level characters - the 8th level D&D characters they are intended for are likely to go "So it's cold outside? So what?"


Iggwilv and Baba Yaga are great recurring NPCs, as villans or just major players. I for one would love to see more stuff featuring them.

A similar NPC is Sheelba from the Lankmar stories by Fritz Lieber.

With these ladies it's not about their items, it's about their brains, cunning plans and sheer determination.


The_Minstrel_Wyrm wrote:


Yeah... about "Witches Twilight"... suddenly several things have happened to put it on the back burner yet again.

First, the player who was mostly responsible for my even thinking about this, unexpectedly move away from the area. Have talked to him a little, but he's saying he's just not able to drive back and forth for a twice a month game (it'd be like 4-6 hours round trip for him, no game is really worth that.) But he did urge me to "carry on" and run the adventure path for the others. Okay. That was the plan.

Second, now the other players can't seem to make time to gather and create characters, or can't get the time off from work (and by that I mean have a Sunday free), another player won't come if he's the only one coming (plus he's got lots of classwork) and that left two players who were interested. One has joined my more regular group on Mondays (and I've got them involved in the latter half of "Legacy of Fire" started them with part 4 "End of Eternity" and they've just begun part 5 "The Impossible Eye", so it should be interesting.) The other kinda goes in and out of liking RPGs. But I may do some 1 on 1 stuff with his character, see how he likes it.

So, for all you paizoians that wanted to follow "Witches Twilight" you may have to wait a little longer. (I've decided that "if the worst should happen" I'd run my more reliable Monday-Knights through the homebrew AP. We just added a sixth player, and that's actually doubled them up from their previous player status.)

The only good thing about not running my homebrew AP yet, Cities of Golarion will be out soon, and the Bestiary had LINNORMS! (Yes! I was afraid I'd have to "create" Linnorms for my Vikings vs. Witches Adventure Path. The great designers at Paizo did a much better job I think.)

Okay, here ends my rant about this.

Thanks for listening.

Dean; the Minstrel Wyrm

Dean,

I totally forgot you were going to do that. I would have so liked to have followed along with it. Here's hoping that one day we can.


Blake Ryan wrote:

Iggwilv and Baba Yaga are great recurring NPCs, as villans or just major players. I for one would love to see more stuff featuring them.

A similar NPC is Sheelba from the Lankmar stories by Fritz Lieber.

With these ladies it's not about their items, it's about their brains, cunning plans and sheer determination.

Keep requesting!

There's been a lot of requests for something involving Baba Yaga and Iggwilv. If we keep the pressure on, we might see it some day.

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Iggwilv is WotC IP. We'll never see anything new from Paizo regarding Tasha, the adopted daughter of Baba Yaga.

But she played a farking huge role in Savage Tides, so that's OK. We've seen Paizo make her kick butt, now it's time for something else.

And I have no doubt that we'll someday see an AP in Irrisen and the Land of the Linnorm Kings that has loads of slavic myth overtones. Hopefully they get Wolfgang Baur involved when they do. His Zobeck stuff is top notch and heavily influenced by eastern European myths and legends.

And is Sheelba of the Eyeless face female? I thought the author referred to Sheelba as a him.


From the Lankmar novels it can be inferred that Sheelba is either male or female

I always thought of her as female since she runs around in hut with chicken legs, so I linked her with Baba Yaga.

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