With different parts of Golarion keyed to different real world cultures including African, Egyptian, and Indian-themed regions, has there been any discussion on different demi-humans in those non-Eurocentric places?
My Pathfinder library is still pretty skimpy, but I was wondering if there was just a blanket idea that all PC races live in all regions or if the non-humans were modified (or replaced) to better fit the myths of each inspiring culture.
*goes into Kobold mode* YES! THOSE FILTHY DWARVES ARE INDEED EVERYWHERE! I can't pick up an axe that just happens to be lying around without a dwarf taking it away from me and trying to cut my own head off of it. *End Kobold Mode*
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While dwarves aren't EVERYWHERE (the previous post nails down where they live rather well), this doesn't mean a PC Dwarf can't be anywhere.
Same goes for the other demihuman races.
In other regions of the world, we'll likely have different non-human races, but we're unlikely to, say, have "D&D Style Dwarf nations" on our Australia or Russia or China inspired regions, for example.
While dwarves aren't EVERYWHERE (the previous post nails down where they live rather well), this doesn't mean a PC Dwarf can't be anywhere.
Same goes for the other demihuman races.
In other regions of the world, we'll likely have different non-human races, but we're unlikely to, say, have "D&D Style Dwarf nations" on our Australia or Russia or China inspired regions, for example.
Please, Please, when (or if) you do an Australian inspired region don't go for stereo types. A lot of RPGs have produced Australian campaign books and a lot of us (Australians) have found them insulting. The WOD books were the best of a bad lot (The "maintain the Rage" which is an actual quote by Whitlam (Australia's best Prime Minister) made the books for me.
Please go beyond the colonial period and into the Dreaming its such a rich source of culture. Treated with respect Aboriginal culture would make a wonderful setting.
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Of course we're everywhere!
Those bloody bug eatin kobolds are a freakin plague upon the world which must be cleansed of the annoying little pests.
Why, my own axe has tasted the blood of hundreds of those little bleeders.
And don't let none of them long legged, can't hold their liquor hoomans say we ain't everywhere. Quite simply put Golarion is our destiny, our world, our time.
*sharpens axe and looks for a kobold* ahh there's one right up there!
Of course we're everywhere!
Those bloody bug eatin kobolds are a freakin plague upon the world which must be cleansed of the annoying little pests.
Why, my own axe has tasted the blood of hundreds of those little bleeders.
And don't let none of them long legged, can't hold their liquor hoomans say we ain't everywhere. Quite simply put Golarion is our destiny, our world, our time.
*sharpens axe and looks for a kobold* ahh there's one right up there!
We use Kobold (Vermin) skin to make boots in our hold. One night Halstan Bloodaxe was so drunk he forgot to kill and skin the Kobold. It took him months to get the stains off his socks.
In other regions of the world, we'll likely have different non-human races, but we're unlikely to, say, have "D&D Style Dwarf nations" on our Australia or Russia or China inspired regions, for example.
Sounds fair.
My Golarion library to date is mostly focused on Varisia with its handy little pockets of demi-human activity for PC convenience. Since I hadn't heard any talk about elf or halfling nations, I was fearing a dilution of demi-human cultures into "handy little pockets" dotted around the world's adventuring centers.
Like in Al-Qadim where they just included Arabic elves and Arabic gnomes and the like.
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Please go beyond the colonial period and into the Dreaming its such a rich source of culture. Treated with respect Aboriginal culture would make a wonderful setting.
I suspect that would be the intent. The Maori stuff is more interesting than the colonial stuff, simply because British colonialism is pretty much done already in Golarion (see Sargava) and Americans and Canadians already know what it's like. ;) So yeah, that's my guess. But who knows for sure, right?
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The Maori stuff is more interesting than the colonial stuff, simply because British colonialism is pretty much done already in Golarion (see Sargava) and Americans and Canadians already know what it's like. ;)Pfft...
By the way, Maoris are in New Zealand, not Australia (nyah nyah nyah!).
Oh, good job, you caught me in a factual error. You get +1 "I'm better than the editor" point.
Oh no wait, I'm not an editor any more.
You get nothing.
;)
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Yeah you caught us by surprise with that one, but at least you haven't dropped off the face of the earth and will still post with us here.
Oh no wait, I'm not an editor any more.
Yeah, I have to say I am really really really going to miss seeing Mike McArtor EDitor extraordinaire on my books.
But it is nice to still see you on here. I was afraid you would drop off the face of the earth and we wouldn't see you at all anymore.
In fact I have grown so fond of you, Mike that I just might let you in the Keep one day to have a drink with us dwarves before kicking your human ass out the front door. :)
In fact I have grown so fond of you, Mike that I just might let you in the Keep one day to have a drink with us dwarves before kicking your human ass out the front door. :)
psst. he's a dragon
silly dwarf. any kobold can see that plain as day.
The Maori stuff is more interesting than the colonial stuff, simply because British colonialism is pretty much done already in Golarion (see Sargava) and Americans and Canadians already know what it's like. ;)Pfft...
By the way, Maoris are in New Zealand, not Australia (nyah nyah nyah!).
kia ora! to my Kiwi cousins - I would like to thank you for Robbie Deans.... With his help we will retake the title of worlds best Rugby nation (The sweet irony).
On a side note you can have Russell Crowe back.
I believe that the Darfallen from Stormwrack(SP?) are based on the Maori.
Interestingly a friend of mine who is of the Arawa people says that they have stories that the Maori use to try and raid his peoples lands (Mid North Coast of New South Wales).
This would be difficult as the Tasman Sea is treacherous but not impossible as the Maori and other Polynesians are accomplished seafarers.
Movies to see before starting to research an Aboriginal based setting. Please note that all of the movies with the exception of Crocodile Dreaming have been directed by non indigenous directors.
Also with the exception of 10 Canoes & Crocodile Dreaming (Which I thoroughly recommend) the movies generally deal with European – Aboriginal relations.
Walkabout, Nicolas Roeg, 1971
Dead Heart, Nick Parsons, 1997
Jedda, Charles Chauvel, 1955
Rabbit Proof Fence, Phillip Noyce, 2002
Ten Canoes, Rolf de Heer, 2006
The Chant of Jimmie Blacksmith, Fred Schepisi, 1978
Crocodile Dreaming, Darlene Johnson, 2007
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In fact I have grown so fond of you, Mike that I just might let you in the Keep one day to have a drink with us dwarves before kicking your human ass out the front door. :)As DMcCoy pointed out, I'm a dragon. Which means I'm even more interested in this offer. ^_^
Yay dwarves!
bah... silly human sorcerers who think they have a drop of draconian blood in them. lol Human blood runs way too thin for there to be any dragon blood in there. But some dwarven Stout will thicken your thin blood. Have a swig! It'll put hair on your face! *holds out an overflowing mug of Stout*
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Here's the deal with "Australia," which is the unmapped mystery continent of Sarusan, from the Campaign Setting:
Sarusan
The smallest of these, Sarusan, lies far from trade winds in the trackless sea and thus remains unknown to most modern cultures, half-recalled in oral traditions or hidden away in the lost literature of dead civilizations. What few records remain speak of a land out of phase with time, where immense mammals long extinct or completely unknown in the civilized world are said to thrive in vast deserts, fabulous jungles, and verdant plains. The black-skinned reed boat cultures of the Wandering Isles, a sprawling archipelago that appears different with each attempt to map it, are believed to be descended from the human inhabitants of Sarusan, but no modern expedition to this lost continent has ever successfully returned to tell the land’s tenacious secrets.
The idea is that this continent is in a constant sort of "dreamtime" that defies measurement and to some extent description. It is sort of the Land that Time Forgot mixed with Fantasy Island mixed with the dream sequences of "the First" from the last couple seasons of Buffy mixed with elements of Polynesian tribal cultures mixed with sword and sorcery.
There is something primal and mystical about the land that ensures it will _never_ be mapped, and adventures there become more difficult to remember in the years that follow.
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The idea is that this continent is in a constant sort of "dreamtime" that defies measurement and to some extent description. It is sort of the Land that Time Forgot mixed with Fantasy Island mixed with the dream sequences of "the First" from the last couple seasons of Buffy mixed with elements of Polynesian tribal cultures mixed with sword and sorcery.
OH HELL YES.
Must fight the urge to forcefully put my PCs on a boat...
...and adventures there become more difficult to remember in the years that follow.
Which just begs for an adventure that begins with someone seeking revenge for something the PCs did there a few years back but can't remember.
As an aside, I finally got 'CotCT: History of Ash' (yeah, I'm a bit behind) and was delighted by the Shoanti as described there. Rather than being flavorless 'barbarians', they were very evocative of American Indian tribes. I appreciated them not only for that unique yet recognizable take on them, but also because it was not a straight lift of Indian culture. The influence was notable but subtle and it made the Shoanti as a whole new but comfortable.
More Golarion cultures like that, please.
Here's the deal with "Australia," which is the unmapped mystery continent of Sarusan, from the Campaign Setting:
Lots of good stuff
Thanks Erik that sounds brilliant.
You know, I can't read the title of this thread without thinking of it in terms of an infestation. Damned dwarves! They're everywhere.
"Excuse me, waiter, there's a beard in my soup."
*in outrageous French accent* "Ohhh, my apologies sir. I cannot believe those filthy dwarves have infested our kitchen again. Allow me to take this and bring you a fresh, hot bowl, dwarf free. On the house, sir."
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You know, I can't read the title of this thread without thinking of it in terms of an infestation. Damned dwarves! They're everywhere.
"Excuse me, waiter, there's a beard in my soup."
*in outrageous French accent* "Ohhh, my apologies sir. I cannot believe those filthy dwarves have infested our kitchen again. Allow me to take this and bring you a fresh, hot bowl, dwarf free. On the house, sir."
look....out there in the audience.....sitting there eating popcorn and waiting.....just waiting! Dwarves, Dammit! They're everywhere I tell ya!
kia ora! to my Kiwi cousins - I would like to thank you for Robbie Deans.... With his help we will retake the title of worlds best Rugby nation (The sweet irony).
Sorry to disappoint you. Try again next year (or maybe in 3 years - I hear the All Blacks are actually beatable in a world cup year...)
:)
Sarusan
The smallest of these, Sarusan, lies far from trade winds in the trackless sea and thus remains unknown to most modern cultures, half-recalled in oral traditions or hidden away in the lost literature of dead civilizations. What few records remain speak of a land out of phase with time, where immense mammals long extinct or completely unknown in the civilized world are said to thrive in vast deserts, fabulous jungles, and verdant plains.
This makes me think of 'The Last Continent'.
On a side note, Russian dwarves sound awesome. They've always got the same pesudo-scottish accent. I say let the poor schmoes have another badly mimicked accent.
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On a side note, Russian dwarves sound awesome. They've always got the same pesudo-scottish accent. I say let the poor schmoes have another badly mimicked accent.
I was trying to fantasy-ize the earth once and rather than Russian dwarves, I imagined dwarves in the Caucasus and the Hindu Kush, so more like Afghans. I think I also had an INca-like group of dwarves building stone temples high in the Andes.
i just looked under my bed. no dwarves. darn.
You get a garden gnome yet?
