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I've been figuring it out through context clues in Guide to Darkmoon Veil, but there doesn't seem to be a full on paragraph describing them. This would be of great interest to people playing/running LB1 or Andoran society characters.
When will be seeing more? Or better yet maybe a sneak peek right here?
I've been figuring it out through context clues in Guide to Darkmoon Veil, but there doesn't seem to be a full on paragraph describing them. This would be of great interest to people playing/running LB1 or Andoran society characters.
When will be seeing more? Or better yet maybe a sneak peek right here?
Have you checked out the Pathfinder Chronicles Gazetteer?
I'm not familiar with the products you've mentioned (or rather, know they are part of the pathfinder corpus, but have not read them) but the Gazetteer does provide some background on Andoran.The Gazetteer articles on Andoran and Galt cover recent history, politics and general ideology. Page 13 of the Gazetteer identifies the Eagle Knights as "young corp" of paladins.
I imagine one could draw a lot of "anti-Andoran" propagand from Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan (warning, 17th century political/philosophical text,) like
Andoran "is nothing else but a confederacy of deceivers that, to obtain dominion over men in this present world, endeavour, by dark and erroneous doctrines, to extinguish in them the light".
(lifted from Leviathan, Part IV)
Cheers!
The (admittedly short) wiki article on the Eagle Knights is here.
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I though the Eagle Knights were a bunch of do-good, skilled teen-aged kids who like running around in the wilderness in short khaki pants and a bunch of patches on their vests, and help little ol ladies cross the street...
I must have the wrong group in mind.
Scouts are not OGC.
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Scouts are not OGC.I though the Eagle Knights were a bunch of do-good, skilled teen-aged kids who like running around in the wilderness in short khaki pants and a bunch of patches on their vests, and help little ol ladies cross the street...
I must have the wrong group in mind.
Although I like the image of the Eagle Knights being the initiatory group for some much more secret and much more sinister group. LG can be just as destructive as CE, at least in my game worlds. One of my most sinister villains of all time was a LG cleric/paladin who created an organization who's stated goal was to purge the world of chaos and evil. They did this by slaying everyone who did not swear loyalty to their ideals.
One of my most sinister villains of all time was a LG cleric/paladin who created an organization who's stated goal was to purge the world of chaos and evil. They did this by slaying everyone who did not swear loyalty to their ideals.
Of course, most would feel that this is absolutely evil behaviour, and we'd look at a cleric/ex-paladin in no time.
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One of my most sinister villains of all time was a LG cleric/paladin who created an organization who's stated goal was to purge the world of chaos and evil. They did this by slaying everyone who did not swear loyalty to their ideals.Of course, most would feel that this is absolutely evil behaviour, and we'd look at a cleric/ex-paladin in no time.
Yeah, however they did not see it that way. They were a very "if your not with us then you're helping the enemy" in their attitude. In this world the gods were very distant. This meant that your alignment was much more tied to your own personal belief than anything else. They were convinced they were doing right. However, behind the scenes I was using the blackguard prestige class for most of his "paladin" abilities.
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One of my most sinister villains of all time was a LG cleric/paladin who created an organization who's stated goal was to purge the world of chaos and evil. They did this by slaying everyone who did not swear loyalty to their ideals.Of course, most would feel that this is absolutely evil behaviour, and we'd look at a cleric/ex-paladin in no time.
if you can find it read Villains by Necessity it's an awesome book set in a world where good won the epic battle of good vs evil, sealed the evil army in another plane, and started brainwashing any other 'evil' people they found.
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if you can find it read Villains by Necessity it's an awesome book set in a world where good won the epic battle of good vs evil, sealed the evil army in another plane, and started brainwashing any other 'evil' people they found.One of my most sinister villains of all time was a LG cleric/paladin who created an organization who's stated goal was to purge the world of chaos and evil. They did this by slaying everyone who did not swear loyalty to their ideals.Of course, most would feel that this is absolutely evil behaviour, and we'd look at a cleric/ex-paladin in no time.
Interesting. I will try and get a copy of it.
They were convinced they were doing right.
They and countless other evildoers in both fantasy and history.
[Boy] Scouts are not OGC.
They can't be used in Golarion, either. There are gays in Golarion.
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The thing to remember as I read it is that the Eagle Knights are paladins dedicated to an idea and a nation, not a religion. And while they mask their political views in religious zeal, like many in America today on both sides of the aisle, if it came down to a conflict between their religion and the country, their country would win out in the end.
There are also gays in the real world.
Yeah, that's the point. Once upon a time there was this insane thread... never mind. I shouldn't have gone there. Forget I said anything.
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The thing to remember as I read it is that the Eagle Knights are paladins dedicated to an idea and a nation, not a religion. And while they mask their political views in religious zeal, like many in America today on both sides of the aisle, if it came down to a conflict between their religion and the country, their country would win out in the end.
How fascinating! I went to see a play this past weekend, "Of Equal Measure," that was about the Woodrow Wilson administration. One of the questions posed to Irish-American White House Spokesman Joseph Tumulty was this: "Your country and your god, are they of equal measure?"
The U.S. isn't as anti-Catholic as in 1914,and now we have a lot more safeguards against religious prejudice in our public institutions (de jure, anyway). Honestly, though, the majority of U.S. citizens have seldom been asked to sacrifice their god to their country. Religious freedom is built into the Constitution, even if in practice there have always been witch-hunts, prejudice, campaigns of exclusion and hard choices for people of minority faiths. I wonder what would happen if we were officially asked to renounce our faiths?
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The thing to remember as I read it is that the Eagle Knights are paladins dedicated to an idea and a nation, not a religion. And while they mask their political views in religious zeal, like many in America today on both sides of the aisle, if it came down to a conflict between their religion and the country, their country would win out in the end.How fascinating! I went to see a play this past weekend, "Of Equal Measure," that was about the Woodrow Wilson administration. One of the questions posed to Irish-American White House Spokesman Joseph Tumulty was this: "Your country and your god, are they of equal measure?"
The U.S. isn't as anti-Catholic as in 1914,and now we have a lot more safeguards against religious prejudice in our public institutions (de jure, anyway). Honestly, though, the majority of U.S. citizens have seldom been asked to sacrifice their god to their country. Religious freedom is built into the Constitution, even if in practice there have always been witch-hunts, prejudice, campaigns of exclusion and hard choices for people of minority faiths. I wonder what would happen if we were officially asked to renounce our faiths?
I would love to see this play, unfortunately the middle of Utah is not known for it's theater. However, our Shakespearian Festival did win a Tony Award. Maybe I can talk to some of my friends at the Festival and see if they can get it on the schedule for next year.
The Eagle Knights are very cool. :)
The U.S. isn't as anti-Catholic as in 1914,and now we have a lot more safeguards against religious prejudice in our public institutions (de jure, anyway). Honestly, though, the majority of U.S. citizens have seldom been asked to sacrifice their god to their country. Religious freedom is built into the Constitution, even if in practice there have always been witch-hunts, prejudice, campaigns of exclusion and hard choices for people of minority faiths. I wonder what would happen if we were officially asked to renounce our faiths?
There is a (non-free/non open access) study published in the April 2006 issue of the American Sociological review which reports that Americans assign their lowest level of approval/acceptance to atheists, below all other minority groups. This finding corroborates findings from past polls and surveys.
It might be fair to say that in America, anathema is anathema.
Back on topic (sort of) the idea of CG (or even better) CE operatives fighting against LG or LN states has a lot of appeal as an American gamer. Lots of zeitgeist (liberty v security), as well as an opportunity for game table tomfoolery (of the "cake or death" variety.)
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Here is the Eagle Knight character I am hoping to play in a campaign starting soon.Let me know what you think.
Kristoff Anders
Human Rouge 1/Paladin 2 of Abadar
LG Medium Humanoid
Init: +10; Senses: Perception +7
Aura of Good
Languages: Common, Elven, Varasian
Defense
AC: 20, Touch 16, Flat Footed 15 (+4 Dex, +5 armor, +1 deflection)
hp: 35 (3 HD)
Fort +9, Ref +10, Will +5
Offense
Speed: 30 ft
Melee Short sword +8 (1d6+3/19-20)
Melee Two short sword +6/+6 (1d6+3/19-20) with Two Weapon Fighting
Ranged Light crossbow +8 (1d8/19-20)
Base Attack +2, CMB +5
Combat Gear: Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds
SA: Smite Evil 1/day, Sneak Attack +1d6
Abilities
Str 16, Dex 22, Con 18, Int 14, Wis 17, Cha 19
SQ: Detect Evil, Divine Grace, Lay on Hands, Trapfinding
Feats: Improved Initiative, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse (short sword)
Skills: Bluff +8, Diplomacy +7, Disable Device +6, Disguise +10, Heal +7,Knowledge (Dungeoneering) +6, Knowledge (Local) +6, Perception +7, Ride +12, Sense Motive +7, Stealth +12
Possessions: Combat gear plus two short swords, light crossbow, case w/20 bolts, chain shirt +1, bracers of armor +1, adventurer's kit, heavy horse, bit and bridle, riding saddle, 16 gp
Note: In the campaign I will be playing in the DM's rule is that if you roll all ones on 4d6 it's a 19. If you roll all sixs it's a twenty. That's why some of the stats are higher then they should be with 3d6.
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Here is the Eagle Knight character I am hoping to play in a campaign starting soon.Let me know what you think.
Kristoff Anders
Human Rouge 1/Paladin 2 of Abadar
LG Medium Humanoid
Init: +10; Senses: Perception +7
Aura of Good
Languages: Common, Elven, Varasian
Defense
AC: 20, Touch 16, Flat Footed 15 (+4 Dex, +5 armor, +1 deflection)
hp: 35 (3 HD)
Fort +9, Ref +10, Will +5
Offense
Speed: 30 ft
Melee Short sword +8 (1d6+3/19-20)
Melee Two short sword +6/+6 (1d6+3/19-20) with Two Weapon Fighting
Ranged Light crossbow +8 (1d8/19-20)
Base Attack +2, CMB +5
Combat Gear: Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds
SA: Smite Evil 1/day, Sneak Attack +1d6
Abilities
Str 16, Dex 22, Con 18, Int 14, Wis 17, Cha 19
SQ: Detect Evil, Divine Grace, Lay on Hands, Trapfinding
Feats: Improved Initiative, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse (short sword)
Skills: Bluff +8, Diplomacy +7, Disable Device +6, Disguise +10, Heal +7,Knowledge (Dungeoneering) +6, Knowledge (Local) +6, Perception +7, Ride +12, Sense Motive +7, Stealth +12
Possessions: Combat gear plus two short swords, light crossbow, case w/20 bolts, chain shirt +1, bracers of armor +1, adventurer's kit, heavy horse, bit and bridle, riding saddle, 16 gpNote: In the campaign I will be playing in the DM's rule is that if you roll all ones on 4d6 it's a 19. If you roll all sixs it's a twenty. That's why some of the stats are higher then they should be with 3d6.
backstory yet????? that, for me, is the meat of a character, the fun part :) For example how did he become a Hellknight? How does a LG paladin handle operating in an organization that includes LE characters? Why did he decide to go 2 weapons? How does he use Bluff, disguise, stealth etc in his role as a Hellknight?
Just in the numbers I see some good story elements there :)
Scouts are not OGC.
The WotC version isn't, but there is a Scout class in Green Ronin's Advanced Player's Guide, which is Open Game Content. :D
backstory yet????? that, for me, is the meat of a character, the fun part :) For example how did he become a Hellknight? How does a LG paladin handle operating in an organization that includes LE characters? Why did he decide to go 2 weapons? How does he use Bluff, disguise, stealth etc in his role as a Hellknight?
Just in the numbers I see some good story elements there :)
Eagle Knight != hell knight
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backstory yet????? that, for me, is the meat of a character, the fun part :) For example how did he become a Hellknight? How does a LG paladin handle operating in an organization that includes LE characters? Why did he decide to go 2 weapons? How does he use Bluff, disguise, stealth etc in his role as a Hellknight?
Just in the numbers I see some good story elements there :)
Actually He's an Eagle Knight, not a Hellknight. He was an orphaned Varasian who was adopted by an Andoran couple They raised him to embrace freedom and liberty and as he grew up he saw his destiny in the Eagle Knights. Now he works as an agent in Varasia, generally traveling the region between Magnimar and Korvosa.
He chooses to fight with two weapons because he feels that it is his duty to dispatch his enemies as quickly and cleanly as possible. This also has the dual benefit of placing him in less danger. He is pretty confident that he is quick enough to dodge most attacks that his enemy can dish out. He uses his deceptive abilities to help him blend in with the people around him. As Eric described the Eagle Knights as being similar to the CIA I figured that a few black bag, sneaky skills would do him some good when he has to do things that don't want to have the Eagle Knights name attached to it. In fact he spends most of his time traveling incognito to avoid drawing attention to himself or his affiliations.
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OK We need more distinct organization names and for me to not read one thread and immediately go to another that sounds like it...
Sorry... Still I think he'd make a good Hellknight too :)
mmmm now there is a game... a Hellknight and an Eagle Knight PCs
Ok we have Knight Orders, how about Wizard Orders? Please, no Dark Pink Wizards on the West Coast...unless they are villians
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Ok we have Knight Orders, how about Wizard Orders? Please, no Dark Pink Wizards on the West Coast...unless they are villians
Actually IIRC somewhere one of the Paizoans stated that mages are also part of the hellknights. My guess is that this is the same with the Eagle Knights. Also there are the competeing magical schools in Korvosa which could easily be expanded into wizard orders.
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Didn't want to make a new thread for this specific point, but after seeing Ingrid Obeder in the Guide to Darkmoon Vale and remembering Thomas Tinyhead from the Gazetteer, I have come to the conclusion that the Eagle Knights' uniforms are totally super mega awesome.
Kind of like Ivy's classier 2P costumes from Soul Calibur 1 and 2. You know, back when her 2Ps actually had class.
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One of my most sinister villains of all time was a LG cleric/paladin who created an organization who's stated goal was to purge the world of chaos and evil. They did this by slaying everyone who did not swear loyalty to their ideals.Of course, most would feel that this is absolutely evil behaviour, and we'd look at a cleric/ex-paladin in no time.
That sounds like an AMAZING campaign! I love LG, and I rarely play anything else, but I do think that the nature of do-gooding tends to be taken over the edge--too much of a good thing, or so the saying goes . . . Anyway, I enjoy your idea, but I'm also very fond of Andoran/the Eagle Knights and would be sad to see their good name sullied . . . ;p
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You don't have to be a fighter, cavalier, or paladin to be a knight. You could be a cleric, wizard, magus, or bard and make a fine knight, especially if we're talking about the religious knight orders like Eagle Knights and Hellknights.
The Hellknight Order of the Gate, for example, is made of mostly spellcasters and is led by a spellcaster.