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Part of PHB that goes over armor and coinage.
We now can look forward to paying for items in astral diamonds. My life for electrum.
Astral diamonds... worth 10,000 gp and 500 equal a pound. When the hell do characters need that much portable wealth?
Notes of interest:
Cloth armour
Feyweave armour
Starweave armour
Leather armour
Feyleather armour
Starleather armour
Hide armour
Darkhide armour
Elderhide armour
Chainmail armour
Forgemail armour
Spiritmail armour
Scale armour
Wyrmscale armour
Elderscale armour
Plate armour
Warplate armour
Godplate armour
Astral diamonds... worth 10,000 gp and 500 equal a pound. When the hell do characters need that much portable wealth?
I'd expect in the epic levels, that amount of wealth isn't too crazy. Hell, I think some epic level items in 3E's epic system would cost more than that (a pound of astral diamonds).
Cheers! :)
Part of PHB that goes over armor and coinage.
We now can look forward to paying for items in astral diamonds. My life for electrum.
That'll be 3 astral diamonds and 5,000gp and 99cp please. Here is your purple gear...
Shouldn't diamonds have a value that varies from place to place.
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I like the coins, and I'm glad that they finally got rid of 50 coins = 1 pound. That caused some problems.
Not so much a fan of the armours. Especially that the special materials and the idea that all masterwork armors are only magical, and you won't see them until 16th (unless, as a DM, you change it. I know). The idea of giving either int or dex as a bonus with light armor I find interesting. I'll have to see how that goes.
Godplate armour
Really what megalomaniac is wearing that? I think they are over compensating for something.
Fizz
I like the coins, and I'm glad that they finally got rid of 50 coins = 1 pound. That caused some problems.
it still says that it seems. whats wrong with 50 to a pound?
I like the coins, and I'm glad that they finally got rid of 50 coins = 1 pound. That caused some problems.
It is still 50 coins = 1 lb.
Astal diamonds just have 1/10th the normal coin weight.|
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it still says that it seems. whats wrong with 50 to a pound?I like the coins, and I'm glad that they finally got rid of 50 coins = 1 pound. That caused some problems.
At higher levels, some of my players ended up going into max carrying capacity just from coins. This lead to moments where treasure was left behind.
Sorry, didn't read about the normal coins. Sorry to Arch lich too. I thought the astral diamond thing was about all of them.
Well then, I rescind my comment and state that astral diamonds aren't enough.
EDIT: Yes, gems are still possible.
Changing masterwork from a mid heroic (to use 4E's tiers) find to a mid paragon find is fine by me, as long as its effect is similarly ... paragon-ic?
It seems that each type of armor has two special components specifically called out for it. Perhaps each is for one of the tiers?
Just speculating, cheers! :)
Part of PHB that goes over armor and coinage.
We now can look forward to paying for items in astral diamonds. My life for electrum.
That'll be 3 astral diamonds and 5,000gp and 99cp please. Here is your purple gear...
Shouldn't diamonds have a value that varies from place to place.
Not if they're being used as currency. A good currency has to be standardized, and if astral diamonds are common enough to be recognized in most major shopping emporiums, there has to be a standard rate of conversion.
Doing some quick math.
US Quarter
weight of a US post 2000 quarter = 5.670 g
50 x 5.670 g = 283.5g
Grams converted to lbs = 0.6250105132941279 lbs
D&D Coin
1 lb = 453.59237 grams
453.59237 grams/50 = 9.0718474 g
9.0718474 g per coin
This means a D&D coin weighs approximately twice as much as a quarter.
Edit:
The D&D coin weighs exactly 1.5999730864197530864197530864198 times more then a quarter (like anyone cares that much).
So it is actually close to 1 and a 1/2 times the mass of a quarter.
I'm wondering where the thing in-between astral diamonds and platinum is... If there's something worth 100 gold, and something worth 10,000 gold, where's the thing worth 1,000 gold?
Doing some quick math.
US Quarter
weight of a US post 2000 quarter = 5.670 g
50 x 5.670 g = 283.5g
Grams converted to lbs = 0.6250105132941279 lbsD&D Coin
1 lb = 453.59237 grams
453.59237 grams/50 = 9.0718474 g
9.0718474 g per coinThis means a D&D coin weighs approximately twice as much as a quarter.
Nothing is as satisfying as a good meal, except, perhaps, paying for it with 3 pounds of gold coins. :)
it still says that it seems. whats wrong with 50 to a pound?I like the coins, and I'm glad that they finally got rid of 50 coins = 1 pound. That caused some problems.
At higher levels, some of my players ended up going into max carrying capacity just from coins. This lead to moments where treasure was left behind.
Sorry, didn't read about the normal coins. Sorry to Arch lich too. I thought the astral diamond thing was about all of them.
Well then, I rescind my comment and state that astral diamonds aren't enough.
EDIT: Yes, gems are still possible.
oh i can so see players doing that .but bag of holdings man ,course had a player once want to live in his .
you could try trade bars or letters of credit or some such i guess if u needed to.we had a system once that in one kingdom wealthy people kept treasury vaults with signet rings and u would buy stuff use the ring as a seal on wax. then the sealed wax paper could be brought to the vaults for reinvestment of funds. was different but worked for that world.
That's a nice way to work around the tendency of PCs to walk around with tens of thousands of gps from time to time.
ugh.
I keep my games low on currency and work off the idea of troves and barter- if you can't carry it back home, you don't get it. My gamers regularly used to bury their loot for later retrieval- it makes the wealth itself a story hook and gives the players and sense of value and place.This idea of standard shopping is frankly just daft, since it's under the misconception of there being standard values of wealth exchange, which should not exist in a "points of light" setting. I can see the point of running about with diamonds in high level play, but even then, it feels like a bit of a cop out.
EDIT: Wow, that's some pretty dull armor art on the opposite page
Shouldn't diamonds have a value that varies from place to place.
So should gold, but that never stopped 1gp from being a standard before...
Greg
Shouldn't diamonds have a value that varies from place to place.So should gold, but that never stopped 1gp from being a standard before...
Greg
I had thought about that i just assumed the coinage was regulated. I've had players get gems and sell them for different prices. It just seems odd to me that a astral diamond is worth 10,000 no more no less.
Fizz
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it still says that it seems. whats wrong with 50 to a pound?I like the coins, and I'm glad that they finally got rid of 50 coins = 1 pound. That caused some problems.
At higher levels, some of my players ended up going into max carrying capacity just from coins. This lead to moments where treasure was left behind.
Sorry, didn't read about the normal coins. Sorry to Arch lich too. I thought the astral diamond thing was about all of them.
Well then, I rescind my comment and state that astral diamonds aren't enough.
EDIT: Yes, gems are still possible.
oh i can so see players doing that .but bag of holdings man ,course had a player once want to live in his .
you could try trade bars or letters of credit or some such i guess if u needed to.we had a system once that in one kingdom wealthy people kept treasury vaults with signet rings and u would buy stuff use the ring as a seal on wax. then the sealed wax paper could be brought to the vaults for reinvestment of funds. was different but worked for that world.
Oh, I've even run Eberron and offered them interest at a Kundarak bank place. The problem isn't so much at the beginning or the adventure or even while shopping (because yes, bags of holding and cohorts/hirelings help). The problem usually occurs when they discover the treasure, and there's 100,000,000 coins (2,000,000 lbs) of different types (Copper, Silver and Gold). I think that the new thing with the astral diamonds is great, but I wish they went further (which I'll probably homebrew like I've been planning right now).
The home brew I've been coming up with basically follows the idea of the Euro, with each denomination being a different size. It would act in a backwards fashion to the Canadian currency, which gets larger as the denomination goes up (except that &*%$ the nickel).
EDIT: I also like Coins a little too much. This whole argument is, in fact, me being selfish. There's barely an argument that I can say that will prove that I'm right.
The D&D coin weighs exactly 1.5999730864197530864197530864198 times more then a quarter (like anyone cares that much).
So it is actually closer to 1 and a 1/2 times the mass of a quarter.
I guess that's why they had to get rid of 30 years of D&D history: To introduce "astral diamonds".
Does astral diamond sound gay to anyone else? :D
The home brew I've been coming up with basically follows the idea of the Euro, with each denomination being a different size. It would act in a backwards fashion to the Canadian currency, which gets larger as the denomination goes up (except that &*%$ the nickel).
D&D coins are different sizes. A gold coin, a copper coin, and a silver coin all weigh the same, but are of different densities. So a copper coin is bigger than a silver is bigger than a gold. A platinum coin would be maginally smaller than a gold, IIRC.
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The home brew I've been coming up with basically follows the idea of the Euro, with each denomination being a different size. It would act in a backwards fashion to the Canadian currency, which gets larger as the denomination goes up (except that &*%$ the nickel).D&D coins are different sizes. A gold coin, a copper coin, and a silver coin all weigh the same, but are of different densities. So a copper coin is bigger than a silver is bigger than a gold. A platinum coin would be maginally smaller than a gold, IIRC.
Yeah, more so different weights. My bad using the wrong nomenclature.
I guess that's why they had to get rid of 30 years of D&D history: To introduce "astral diamonds".
Does astral diamond sound gay to anyone else? :D
My barf-o-meter went off the scale when I read it. It actually exploded when I said the phrase aloud.
I guess that's why they had to get rid of 30 years of D&D history: To introduce "astral diamonds".
Does astral diamond sound gay to anyone else? :D
My barf-o-meter went off the scale when I read it. It actually exploded when I said the phrase aloud.
Ewww. I'm not sure I want to know what an exploding barf-o-meter looks like. :(
Bye-bye Medium armor. Asstral Diamonds. INT bonuses for light armor?
The more I hear and see, the less I like of 4e...
Ewww. I'm not sure I want to know what an exploding barf-o-meter looks like. :(I guess that's why they had to get rid of 30 years of D&D history: To introduce "astral diamonds".
Does astral diamond sound gay to anyone else? :D
My barf-o-meter went off the scale when I read it. It actually exploded when I said the phrase aloud.
You don't. It ain't pretty, trust me! :)
The more I hear and see, the less I like of 4e...
Indeed. I wanted to like it. I really did.
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I guess that's why they had to get rid of 30 years of D&D history: To introduce "astral diamonds".
Does astral diamond sound gay to anyone else? :D
Yeah, but I heard if your characther jumps on the last pipe and jumps up in the air, he hits a hidden brick that drops 3d6 astral diamonds and a mushroom of enlargement! Sweet!
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In a "sad boring never gets laid sad heterosexual" kind of way, yes.I guess that's why they had to get rid of 30 years of D&D history: To introduce "astral diamonds".
Does astral diamond sound gay to anyone else? :D
Thank you. I really hate that turn of phrase.
As a gay man I have to say, astral diamonds don't appeal to me. So I am not sure they could really be called gay. :)
Moronic. That sounds about right. Astral diamonds are friggin' moronic.
Edit: I wanted to say I mean no disrepect to Kae'Yoss. I know that turn of phrase is fairly popular and I am sure he meant no insult. The phrase just catches in my craw.
Yes, I'm not sure a mineral can have a sexual persuasion. As for its name, I'm thinking they could've called it just a "diamond" and been perfectly fine. Are they suggesting that only astral diamonds are useful for currency? I'm sure a ruby or sapphire or some other shiny bauble could be just as expensive...
In a "sad boring never gets laid sad heterosexual" kind of way, yes.I guess that's why they had to get rid of 30 years of D&D history: To introduce "astral diamonds".
Does astral diamond sound gay to anyone else? :D
Thank you. I really hate that turn of phrase.
As a gay man I have to say, astral diamonds don't appeal to me. So I am not sure they could really be called gay. :)
Moronic. That sounds about right. Astral diamonds are friggin' moronic.
I'm with ya there. moronic is a good thing to call em indeed. and i know im gonna get jumped over this but they sound very video gamy something out of Mario or ff or something not what i think of as D&D and don't start me on the god armor
Edit: I wanted to say I mean no disrepect to Kae'Yoss. I know that turn of phrase is fairly popular and I am sure he meant no insult. The phrase just catches in my craw.I guess that's why they had to get rid of 30 years of D&D history: To introduce "astral diamonds".
Does astral diamond sound gay to anyone else? :D
Me too.
Notes of interest:
Leather armour
Feyleather armour
Starleather armour
So a Rogue really is limited to one type of armor - with three "flavors."
Huh. And here I nearly let people convince me I might have been wrong about that...
How far we have fallen from the days when first edition AD&D had an appendix on gems and semi-precious stones, with a description and uses of each. It started a phase of interest in geology for me. Now we have this astral diamond, which always has the same value, regardless of purity and size. Modron run banks would be better, and that is really saying something. Anyone remember the old gem tables, telling the party that they had found tourmalines, a chunk of amber and a bloodstone seal, and a crown of lapis lazuli and malachite.
They should just issue the characters credit cards, like the new monopoly uses.
Thank you. I really hate that turn of phrase.As a gay man I have to say, astral diamonds don't appeal to me. So I am not sure they could really be called gay. :)
Moronic. That sounds about right. Astral diamonds are friggin' moronic.
Edit: I wanted to say I mean no disrepect to Kae'Yoss. I know that turn of phrase is fairly popular and I am sure he meant no insult. The phrase just catches in my craw.
Sorry, didn't want to offend. I have nothing against your sexual orientation.
Let's just say that it sounds like it belongs to one of those badly stereotyped gays from lousy movies.
Or moronic. That fits, too.
But it's reassuring that we all agree on that: Astral diamonds stink.
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The thing that bugs me the most is that the armor all falls into specific *categories*, a la The Elder Scrolls or World of Warcraft. In my opinion, this has no place in a tabletop setting. Reason? Tabletop settings usually (meaning- they should) have a rich in-game history. There had better be a pretty f+!!ing good reason why there is extraplanar armor just dropping out of the g&~*$@n sky.
Another thing that bugs me is the whole *astral motherf!*$ing diamonds* thing. In short, they sound like something out of Spyro the Dragon. Why exactly are there thousands of perfectly cut diamonds just floating around the astral plane- no, sea? No reason. Just so that adventurers don't have to carry as much cash around with them. Probably put there by the god of banking and economics. Or merely the god of shiny things. B$+@+$&s.
Finally, who comes up with these g!@%!@n names? Astral diamonds? Godplate? Do these guys work for Wizards of the Coast or Chong Glass?
What the F$$&?
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Godplate armourReally what megalomaniac is wearing that? I think they are over compensating for something.
Yeah, it probably has an enormous Godpiece.
I use all sorts of coinage in my games. Copper is slang for copper, bronze, tin, lead, iron, etc. coins. Silver and Gold are just that. Larger coin includes Mithral pieces (10 gp each) and Gold Doubloons (just big movie-style 'pirate gold' worth 10 gp each), Adamantine Bits (100 gp each) and flasks of Mercury (25 gp each, popular with Gnomes, who use a system of coinage based on alchemical principles). Platinum isn't used as a coin type. Dwarves use Brass, Bronze and Electrum, being big fans of alloyed coins.
After that, McBigLargeHuge denominations are handled by trade bars of gold, mithral or adamantine.
No Lucent Sky-Diamonds, thanks. I'm trying to cut back.
Re: X-weave, X-leather, and X-plate: I suppose they're trying to get away from the +1, +2 naming convention that many people have mocked over the years, but I like that system. It instantly tells you what the bonus is, and it's abstract enough to cover different options. A set of +2 leather armor crafted by elves and enchanted by a druid is going to be very different from a set of +2 leather armor crafted by a human thieves guild and enchanted by their resident wizard. Both have the same stats, but cover very different manifestations of things in the game world. But apparently every set of magic leather armor is feyleather now, regardless of what relationship its wearer has to the fey.
Assuming non-PCs actually get gear now.
Assuming non-PCs actually get gear now.
Why would monsters get armour?
Yes, creatures can get armor and weapons. Examples were provided in the stat blocks used at DDXP. Also, the Astral Sea is not the great, void-like silvery expanse of earlier editions anymore, going off the pictures provided in W&M.
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Yes, creatures can get armor and weapons. Examples were provided in the stat blocks used at DDXP. Also, the Astral Sea is not the great, void-like silvery expanse of earlier editions anymore, going off the pictures provided in W&M.
I was under the impression those pictures depicted astral dominions which float in the Astral Sea. Which seems to indicate there are still large expanses of shimmering nothingness. To get from dominion A to dominion B you either need the proper spell/gate/portal/item or you need to travel the Sea.
The Astral Diamonds are all that is left of the World of Greyhawk...