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My good friend (known as IconoclasticScream on these boards), sent me this link.
I'm glad Peter Jackson will be involved.
Why are they making two Hobbit movies? If I remeber correctly the Hobbit novel was actually pretty short, so where there going to pull two feature length movies from is beyond me.
Two?
I'm looking forward to seeing Smaug.
Think of all they cut out of the LotR Trilogy. Maybe they are trying to avoid cutting out to much from the book.
Or they just want to milk it for everything they can.
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Why are they making two Hobbit movies? If I remeber correctly the Hobbit novel was actually pretty short, so where there going to pull two feature length movies from is beyond me.
That's something I was wondering as well. It makes me curious to see where they would plan to split the book?
Also, how much background material would they "fill-in"? For example, in the book, the Goblin/Warg army kind of conviently shows up so that our heroes can put aside their differences and work together. Maybe they plan on going into more detail about the goblins gathering.
Or maybe they'll just go crazy and do Hobbit II: Deja-vu or There and Back (All Over) Again. This would be the further adventures of Bilbo and his wacky friends set in the years following the original Hobbit, and ending with his adopting Frodo.
or they could include the time Gandalf left Bilbo and Dwarfs during the events of the "Hobbit" to convince the White Council to move against the Necormancer "Sauron" who was building his forces in Dul Guldor in Mirkwood. Gandalf ever obssesed with Sauron feared an alliance with Sauron and Smaug.
Or maybe they'll just go crazy and do Hobbit II: Deja-vu or There and Back (All Over) Again. This would be the further adventures of Bilbo and his wacky friends set in the years following the original Hobbit, and ending with his adopting Frodo.
Please lord no, I don't think I could take 12 ending to the story again!!!
This how it will most likely go down...
2060;The power of Dol Guldur grows. The wise fear that it may be Sauron taking shape again.
2063 Gandalf goes to Dol Guldur. Sauron retreats and hides in the East
2850 Gandalf again enters Dol Guldur, and discovers that its master is indeed Sauron,who is gathering all the Rings and seeking news of the One,and of Isildur's Heir. He finds Thrain and recieves the Key of Erebor. Thrain dies in Dol Guldur.
2941Thorin Oakshield and Gandalf visit Bilbo in the Shire. Saruman agrees to an attack on Dol Guldur, since he now wishes to prevent Sauron from searching the river. Sauron having made his plans abandons Dol Guldur. The Battle of Five Armies, Thorin Oakenshield dies, Bard of Esgaroth slays Smaug.
I actually heard a little bit about this, and the reason for two movies is pretty much this:
Peter Jackson was worried there was too much disconnect between the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. If he did it, his hope was to first do the Hobbit as written, and then to make a second movie based on Prof. Tolkien's copious notes about the events between Hobbit and Rings in order to bridge the movies into one solid story arc. Not a bad way of doing it, if you ask me. Certainly Peter Jackson has proven chops in dealing with the setting. I think if anyone alive could take the notes and turn them into a movie, it'd be him.
Really hope it pans out.
Heh. Will we see Silmarillion - the movie series in the next 20 years? That might teach George Lucas how do to prequels :-)
Stefan
I actually heard a little bit about this, and the reason for two movies is pretty much this:
Peter Jackson was worried there was too much disconnect between the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. If he did it, his hope was to first do the Hobbit as written, and then to make a second movie based on Prof. Tolkien's copious notes about the events between Hobbit and Rings in order to bridge the movies into one solid story arc. Not a bad way of doing it, if you ask me. Certainly Peter Jackson has proven chops in dealing with the setting. I think if anyone alive could take the notes and turn them into a movie, it'd be him.
Really hope it pans out.
That's a sensical approach. So The Hobbit will be made first, then a second film that better bridges the Hobbit to LotR instead of Bilbo instantly going from young to old between The Hobbit and Fellowship of the Ring.
Gives me something to look forward to. It may not be the gospel according to Tolkien, but I trust Jackson to do something that engrosses me.
** spoiler omitted **
edit: do I really have to spoiler the Hobbit up in this b*##!?
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** spoiler omitted **** spoiler omitted **
edit: do I really have to spoiler the Hobbit up in this b*##!?
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In that case . . .
Knock knock?
Who's there?
Glamdring?
Glamdring who?
(Don't answer, just stab them through the door with Glamdring. You'd be surprised how the enemy stands still and out in the open for a knock knock joke.)
Sweet!!
I read a snippet a while back that Peter Jackson and New Line were close to reconciling. I'm glad they did.
Heh. Will we see Silmarillion - the movie series in the next 20 years? That might teach George Lucas how do to prequels :-)
I doubt that the whole Silmarillion would be feasible. However, a movie version of The Children of Hurin could work. Maybe the Lay of Luthien and the Fall of Gondolin could be done, too. Possibly the Voyage of Earndil, but that would be about it. Most of the Silmarillion doesn't lend itself well to a movie format.
Hmm, as I posted elsewhere, I would have preferred if Jackson wasn't involved as I was lukewarm about his vision of Middle Earth.
Well, there are less changes to central themes "that need to be made to make it relevant to modern audiences." The Hobbit was a much more basic plotline and even if he hightens the connection with The Lord of the Rings, it should be a minor change.
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True. It'll probably be OK. My main problem with the LotR films was the injection or a Hollywood-style sentimentality and lack of stiff upper lip. The Hobbit is a kid's book and the themes are less dark to a large extent, except towards the end with the corruption of Thorin by greed and his eventual death. So there will hopefully be less scope or temptation for that.
The "LotR prequel" would be the more interesting film - they have much more license to do what they want with that one as there isn't really a book to support it, merely the LotR appendices.
Haven't read it in a while, but the goblins were a little dark. What was their purpose in abducting Bilbo's party? It seems that they were being enslaved.
Clap! Snap! the black crack!
Grip, grab! Pinch, nab!
And down down to Goblin-town
You go, my lad!
Clash, crash! Crush, smash!
Hammer and tongs! Knocker and gongs!
Pound, pound, far underground!
Ho, ho, my lad!
Swish, smack! Whip crack!
Batter and beat! Yammer and bleat!
Work, work! Nor dare to shirk,
While Goblins quaff, and Goblins laugh,
Round and round far underground
Below, my lad!
True. It'll probably be OK. My main problem with the LotR films was the injection or a Hollywood-style sentimentality and lack of stiff upper lip. The Hobbit is a kid's book and the themes are less dark to a large extent, except towards the end with the corruption of Thorin by greed and his eventual death. So there will hopefully be less scope or temptation for that.
For me the problem is that Hobbit is a fairytale and if Peter Jackson is involved I have little to no hope that this style will be preserved.
I except it to be similar ho-hum LotR-lite smackfest Narnia film was, with some kewl! CGI for people who care about such things.
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For me the problem is that Hobbit is a fairytale and if Peter Jackson is involved I have little to no hope that this style will be preserved.
I except it to be similar ho-hum LotR-lite smackfest Narnia film was, with some kewl! CGI for people who care about such things.
I suspect that it will boil down to that common denominator, yes.
I think their reasons were dietary, from what I can remember.
They planned on eating the horses, but the dwarves and Bilbo were captured as slaves.
Yeah I could probably play the horse, but my worg costume comes complete with flaming pinecones...
I hope they cut out the bit with the barrels...
If someone directs The Hobbit it should be the amazingly brilliant Guillermo Del Toro or tried and tested Ridley Scott -no others are even allowed a sniff. ;)
If someone directs The Hobbit it should be the amazingly brilliant Guillermo Del Toro or tried and tested Ridley Scott -no others are even allowed a sniff. ;)
I was thinking along the same line...well, amybe come up with couple of other possible names, but indeed Del Toro is the name I have been mentioning as the best choice for the director.
If someone directs The Hobbit it should be the amazingly brilliant Guillermo Del Toro or tried and tested Ridley Scott -no others are even allowed a sniff. ;)I was thinking along the same line...well, amybe come up with couple of other possible names, but indeed Del Toro is the name I have been mentioning as the best choice for the director.
In an ideal world he would be directing a Dragonlance trilogy and Keira Knightley would be Laurana. *swoon*
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From SciFi.com:
As expected, Guillermo del Toro has signed on to direct the New Line-MGM's upcoming The Hobbit and its sequel for executive producers Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh, Variety reported.
The announcement--which had been rumored for several weeks--came on the afternoon of April 24 from Jackson and Walsh, New Line president Toby Emmerich and Mary Parent, newly named chief of MGM's Worldwide Motion Picture Group.
Del Toro will move to New Zealand for the next four years to work with Jackson and his Wingnut and Weta production teams. He'll direct the two films back to back, with the sequel dealing with the 60-year period between The Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring, the first installment of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Like Rings, The Hobbit is based on a book by J.R.R. Tolkien.
Del Toro won't leave for New Zealand immediately, as he's still in post-production on Hellboy II: The Golden Army, which is due July 11.
The official signing of del Toro comes four months after New Line settled a lawsuit with Jackson over profits from The Lord of the Rings and announced that it had agreed with MGM to turn Tolkien's book into two live-action films. Sam Raimi had been preceived as the initial front-runner as director, but Del Toro had emerged in recent months as the likely candidate.
Though no screenplay deal's been set, it's expected that the Rings scripting team of Jackson, Walsh and Philippa Boyens will collaborate with del Toro.
With del Toro blocking out four years for the project, it's likely that the studios are aiming at starting shooting next year and releasing the films in late 2011 and 2012.
