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Could someone give me a clue if there is going to be any more material about the Lost City of the Elves, besides the Gazeteer? I'm thinking of using it as part of RotRL, either as a replacement chapter 3 or a final swan song for the campaign. I don't mind making some of it up, but I don't want to go too far, only to have it contradicted six months later, as I'm "sharing" the campaign setting with other DMs.
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The Elven city of Celwynvian was sacked years ago by a brilliant military leader by the name of Saaj-Kaex, who led his kobold bretheren to battle after the Elven rulers had not made proper reperations after some of their guard had mistakenly slaughtered a band of Kobold Merchants thinking them a raiding party. Kobold emissaries attempted to secure a diplomatic solution but the Elven Rulers would not admit to such a horrific mistake. Saaj-Kaex, under pressure from his senior military advisors had no choice but accept the numerous requests from his warchief to at least begin drawing up plans for an assault on the Elven Capital that the long-ears would not soon forget. After the plans were drawn, Noble and merciful Saaj-Kaex saught to warn the Elven rulers that should no reperation be made, the consiquences would be dire and that they would suffer the full military might of the Kobold tribe and that the Elven civilians should be evacuated lest they fall to the wrath of the kobolds. The Elven saw this as laughable as their superiority in both magic and steel was fact.
Soon afterwards the heavy-hearted Saaj-Kaex put his warchiefs military operation into motion. That night hundreds of Kobold Assassins crept their way into the Elven Capital, one by one the long-ears highest decorated warriors, guards, and noblemen and women were put to the blade. The Kobold assassins were merciless in their surgical strike, in one night the Elven defensive forces where decimated, their warriors were in utter chaos. The Elven nobles were in a panick in fear that they would be next to taste the Kobolds wrath. At dawn Saaj-Kaex sent an emissary to the few Elven rulers that had either escaped death or were left alive to answer to the kobolds demands. The kobolds would allow the Elves to retreat and evacuate as an exchange for the lives of the kobold merchants who had lost their lives and for the humilitation of their people when the Elves in their pride would not pay proper respect and reperations for their mistake.
To this day the elveen city remains unpopulated due to an agreement with the Kobolds, though the Elves in their pride will never admit to it.
Not the actual history.
Nice! I like this angle. This is your own opinion I assume and not what Paizo has decided. It's refreshing o see that it's not the usual "evil beast keeps every one away" kinda idea.
If it's not Paizo's official reason for the city to be abandonded then I may just use it anyway.
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Celwynvian and the Mierani Forest are scheduled to play a big role in the third Pathfinder adventure path: Second Darkness. In particular, the adventure in Pathfinder 15 takes place in Celwynvian and in the surrounding forest, and that volume will likely contain a backdrop article on Celwynvian as well. The official reason the city was abandoned is revealed in that adventure, and it's a pretty big plot element of the entire campaign.
Yikes!! Guess I'll have to blag it with my players for now then rofl,
15?!?!?!? How many pathfinders are there to be? Is it an open ended thing then?
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Just realised, each pathfinder is actually 6 booklets isnt it? So 15 isnt as much as I thought hehehe
Nice! I like this angle. This is your own opinion I assume and not what Paizo has decided. It's refreshing o see that it's not the usual "evil beast keeps every one away" kinda idea.
If it's not Paizo's official reason for the city to be abandonded then I may just use it anyway.
Nope, not the official reason. I made it up on the fly. lol
I was thinking of that old folklore about that Roanoke Village where everyone disappeared. Just added a reason and sprinkled on some Kobolds, and let it set for 3 minutes. :3
For anyone wondering why the kobolds were never attacked afterwards. Saaj-Kaex was a very well-loved Kobold leader. Hehad the respect of his tribe aswell as other tribes of Kobolds in the region. They could kill Saaj-Kaex, they could even obliterate his tribe. But it would have only angered the rest of the kobold tribes in the region. The Elves learned a valuable lesson.
You can kill 10, 20, even a hundred Kobolds. But you can never truely defeat Kobolds.
lol Anyway, like I said. Not the actual history. But hell, even though I just pulled that out of no-where I might use it. XD
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How about keeping it simple. Unless James and company through us for a loop we know the Dark Elves will likely be evil (and possibley spider kissers.)
So, why not have the Dark Elves betray the rest of the elves. They murdered the king/ruler and started to wipe out the royal bloodline. They use spell and sword to slay most of the population before they know what's happening. Eventually they have to flee, leaving the Dark Elves in their own domain.
I've always been very interested in a setting/time period where the Dark Elves JUST turned evil. It would be a time of great hate, hurt, and shame for the elves. More so then losing their city to evil humans (whose race is forgiven and not held accountable) and demons.
So, why not have the Dark Elves betray the rest of the elves.
Bah, that just seems so cliche to me . . . why not twist it a little. What if the fair skinned elves were the betrayers? What if all elves started out as Dark Elves (that may or may not be of an evil alignment), and then a group betrayed the rest and were exiled to the surface world, their skin lightened so that the betrayers would stand out even more against the darkness of the underdark.
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So, why not have the Dark Elves betray the rest of the elves.Bah, that just seems so cliche to me . . . why not twist it a little. What if the fair skinned elves were the betrayers? What if all elves started out as Dark Elves (that may or may not be of an evil alignment), and then a group betrayed the rest and were exiled to the surface world, their skin lightened so that the betrayers would stand out even more against the darkness of the underdark.
I believe they're already mentioned elsewhere that while dark elves will be showing up, they are inherently evil, demon-worshippers, and generally much more in line with the Greyhawk drow than the 'every third one is a CG ranger' race of the Forgotten Realms.
How about keeping it simple. Unless James and company through us for a loop we know the Dark Elves will likely be evil (and possibley spider kissers.)
So, why not have the Dark Elves betray the rest of the elves. They murdered the king/ruler and started to wipe out the royal bloodline. They use spell and sword to slay most of the population before they know what's happening. Eventually they have to flee, leaving the Dark Elves in their own domain.
I've always been very interested in a setting/time period where the Dark Elves JUST turned evil. It would be a time of great hate, hurt, and shame for the elves. More so then losing their city to evil humans (whose race is forgiven and not held accountable) and demons.
I shore do luv me them spiderz!!!!! Gy'hyuck!!
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James, if you spill one detail: When they say lost city, do they mean it literally, or is it plainly marked on most maps?
The Gazeteer can't come out fast enough for my liking.
Celwynvian isn't really a lost city; it IS still marked on maps. It's more of a ruined city. A good analogue from Forgotten Realms would be Myth Drannor, although Celwynvian is, I suspect, smaller than Myth Drannor, and certainly has a very different background and feel to it.
There likely won't be much at all about Celwynvian in the Gazetteer, though; you'll need to wait until Pathfinder #15 for the juicy details there.
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James, if you spill one detail: When they say lost city, do they mean it literally, or is it plainly marked on most maps?
The Gazeteer can't come out fast enough for my liking.
Celwynvian isn't really a lost city; it IS still marked on maps. It's more of a ruined city. A good analogue from Forgotten Realms would be Myth Drannor, although Celwynvian is, I suspect, smaller than Myth Drannor, and certainly has a very different background and feel to it.
There likely won't be much at all about Celwynvian in the Gazetteer, though; you'll need to wait until Pathfinder #15 for the juicy details there.
Will there be information (especially in the Player's Guide) on what the average Elf PC would know about the region or there people?
It seems most PCs are Forlorn, which is cool and makes sense, though doesn't account for the racial things elves get (Martial Wpn Profs and Favored class in particular)
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Will there be information (especially in the Player's Guide) on what the average Elf PC would know about the region or there people?
It seems most PCs are Forlorn, which is cool and makes sense, though doesn't account for the racial things elves get (Martial Wpn Profs and Favored class in particular)
We're still several months out from the Player's Guide to Second Darkness as well, but yes, there'll most likely be some information about Celwynvian there. In any event, it'd probably be best if PC elves AREN'T from there... it's not really a safe place to grow up, after all.