I have color blind on my chart of minor banes and one of my characters took a boon so now had to random roll and hit color blind.
What in-game penalties should this incur?
I was thinking search checks might have a penalty in situations where colors blended.
I'm up for any suggestions.
Every now and then, preparing Protection from Elements (acid) seems like a bad idea?
"Trust me, it'd definitely a green dragon living in that volcano!"
I know it's probably too late, but I don't think being color blind should have any in game effect. In effect, you are simply seeing the world as if you had Darkvision (Black and White), and since Darkvision doesn't impose any penalties, I don't see why being color blind would.
But since you need something, I would rule something like a -1 to search and spot checks, or something like that. Also, just keep it in mind, and note it when it would make a difference.
I know it's probably too late, but I don't think being color blind should have any in game effect. In effect, you are simply seeing the world as if you had Darkvision (Black and White), and since Darkvision doesn't impose any penalties, I don't see why being color blind would.
But since you need something, I would rule something like a -1 to search and spot checks, or something like that. Also, just keep it in mind, and note it when it would make a difference.
Colorblindness isn't monochrome. Usually it's a failure to recognize a specific color. This is why the classic tests involve numbers made in one color hidden inside circles of another color - a colorblind person cannot differentiate them and will simply see a solid circle.
It depends quite a lot on the character. Fighter could probably manage well, while rogue would be in world of hurt as it does affect skills.
Minus to search and spot checks at least, preferentially also to disable device, use magic item, some of the craft skills, appraise...
And also random effects like not recognizing different dragons :)
I'm color-blind.
I see in color, not B&W. I can even tell you what color most things are. Give me a box of crayons with primary and some secondary colors in it, and I'll likely name them all correctly. The trouble is most often in shades of color. Give me a box of 64 crayons and I'll likely get 25% of them wrong. I mix up greens with reds, greens with greys, blues with purples. It's hard to describe how this happens. While it is truly an eye problem, I often say it's like I can see the colors, but some mental defect prevents me from labelling them.
Kids in elementary school used to torture me by removing all my crayon wrappers. And in 8th grade I indeed did draw a brown dragon and thought it looked perfectly fine. It's not that I intended it to be red or green or some other color, it just didn't strike me as looking "wrong".
I don't know how troublesome or realistic you want to model color-blindness in game. It can definitely affect spot and search where color matters and the subject doesn't move. A few years ago, my wife pulled the car over and said, "Wow! Look at that field!" She was referring to a green field filled with red flowers. I saw nothing striking whatsoever. The same thing happens every fall when the leaves change. I can't tell until its fairly advanced.
You'll notice that I said "where the subject doesn't move." Color-blind people use other context clues to compensate. I definitely use position and movement. I know that traffic lights have red, yellow, green where red is always the top or left-most light. I don't care what the colors are; I know where they appear in context. I'm also probably better than normal-sighted people at detecting movement. I once read that color-blind people were used to spot enemies in camo, because color-blind people are especially good at using movement, not color to detect and differentiate things.
I was told in school that color blindness is seeing only in gray scale.
I am not color blind, I'm "sorta color blind". I see color, I just see them differently than other people. A lot of people seem not to know the difference. My grandfather was a doctor and he was fully colorblind. He did everything everyone else did; instead of memorizing "red, yellow, green" on traffic lights he memorized "top, middle, bottom." I myself have memorized "red, yellow, white" because I'll swear up and down that that bottom light in white. For the longest time, I figured that the bottom light used to be green in the early days of traffic lights and was still called green out of tradition.
My friends from back in high school like to play a cruel game with me; they point to something blue or purple and then ask me what color it is, which are the colors that I confuse most easily. I found a way to always win the game--"It's blurple!"
This character of yours isn't female is it? Because if she is, roll another bane because only men can be color blind. (Fantasy world? What's that? ;-)
I was told in school that color blindness is seeing only in gray scale.
I am not color blind, I'm "sorta color blind". I see color, I just see them differently than other people. A lot of people seem not to know the difference. My grandfather was a doctor and he was fully colorblind. He did everything everyone else did; instead of memorizing "red, yellow, green" on traffic lights he memorized "top, middle, bottom." I myself have memorized "red, yellow, white" because I'll swear up and down that that bottom light in white. For the longest time, I figured that the bottom light used to be green in the early days of traffic lights and was still called green out of tradition.
My friends from back in high school like to play a cruel game with me; they point to something blue or purple and then ask me what color it is, which are the colors that I confuse most easily. I found a way to always win the game--"It's blurple!"
This character of yours isn't female is it? Because if she is, roll another bane because only men can be color blind. (Fantasy world? What's that? ;-)
No he is male; I think I'll just use it as a minor penalty to spot people or items standing perfectly still. -2 search in those situations...nothing major
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This character of yours isn't female is it? Because if she is, roll another bane because only men can be color blind. (Fantasy world? What's that? ;-)
I have to disagree with just this one part. I know of one female gamer who happens to be color blind and light sensitive. She would often ask me why I was wearing all black when I had a red shirt and black jeans.
She liked to rub it in my face because of an incident my second year in undergrad. I asked her to watch my laptop, to which she responded "Why, is it going to do a trick?" Being sarcastic, I replied without thinking "Yeah, its going to change colors." She told me the look on my face when I realize just who I said that to was priceless and my frenzied apology was the icing on the cake.
The biggest irony is that she was a graphics design major and was very good at it.
This character of yours isn't female is it? Because if she is, roll another bane because only men can be color blind. (Fantasy world? What's that? ;-)
From what I remember women can be color-blind as well, but they require both recessive genes. Men only require one. My maternal grandfather was color blind. His sons were too. My mother is not color-blind, nor is my sister, but my brothers and I all are. My mother passed us all the recessive gene, but only the boys evidence it.
It's cool to talk to another person who is color-blind, because I've found that they experience it vastly differently. It sounds silly to me that you could mistake green for white. Just as silly as my wife thinks it is when I say I can't tell the difference between green and red, colors that have nothing in common whatsoever. :)
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My mother-in-law is colourblind, much like TConnors described. She didn't find out until she was in university and taking a psych course. Her text had a diagram that said 'colourblind people can't see the image in this circle' and she couldn't see it.
Colourblindness is typically carried on part of the X chromosome that has no counterpart on the Y chromosome. If you are male and have the colourblindness gene, you are colourblind. If you are female, both of your X chromosomes must carry the gene to make you colourblind. So women can carry the gene without being colourblind.
That said, there are many kinds of colourblindness, of which seeing in monochrome is the most rare, and I think has a different cause.
I believe I have a slight dichromacy problem, which is basically like being colorblind. It kind of sucks for me, being an artist, just because it becomes difficult to attach names to certain colors, like Tim said, particularly in shades and tints as well as figuring out how to mix certain colors. But I can tell green from red from blue from purple most of the time.
I personally don't think it should affect anything; you don't impose a penalty for being left-handed, so being color blind isn't necessarily a flaw. They affect things in such a minor way, that I don't think it's worth a trade-off.
It's cool to talk to another person who is color-blind, because I've found that they experience it vastly differently. It sounds silly to me that you could mistake green for white. Just as silly as my wife thinks it is when I say I can't tell the difference between green and red, colors that have nothing in common whatsoever. :)
To be fair, most of the common color-blindnesses do have things in common. Purple/blue: purple is blue mixed with red. Green/red: green is red mixed with yellow. Blue/yellow: ...well they're both primary colors, so I don't know what the deal is here. White-green is also a mystery--the traffic light is the only occassion in which I've mixed up the two, probably because it's just such a pale green. (It is pale to others, right?)
I believe I have a slight dichromacy problem, which is basically like being colorblind. It kind of sucks for me, being an artist, just because it becomes difficult to attach names to certain colors, like Tim said, particularly in shades and tints as well as figuring out how to mix certain colors. But I can tell green from red from blue from purple most of the time.
It's the same with me. I never learned most of the common names that people use to describe minor color variations. Someone once exclaimed "wow, that maroon car looks hot!" all I could say was "huh, maroon? someone is stuck on a desert island?"
You know, it is nice talking to other "differently-sighted" people ;-)
To be fair, most of the common color-blindnesses do have things in common. Purple/blue: purple is blue mixed with red. Green/red: green is red mixed with yellow.
You might want to check your paintbox - red & yellow make orange, green is a combination of blue & yellow - the other 2 primary colours. End minor rant
I stand corrected. That's what I get for posting on too little sleep.
~grins~ One of my friends is colorblind too. The funny part is that he went to school for art and is a colorist for comic books.
This character of yours isn't female is it? Because if she is, roll another bane because only men can be color blind. (Fantasy world? What's that? ;-)
Thats not true In fact about 2% of all females are colourblind compared to 20% of all males.
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I have color blind on my chart of minor banes and one of my characters took a boon so now had to random roll and hit color blind.
What in-game penalties should this incur?
I was thinking search checks might have a penalty in situations where colors blended.
I'm up for any suggestions.
My dad is red/green color deficient. Much of his working life was spent in a photo lab, processing color and B&W photography. While the deficiency was sometimes a disadvantage, it was sometimes an advantage. He could see some subtle color differences that others could not, which is why color-deficient people can be better at detecting camouflaged stuff.
I wouldn't penalize search checks for color deficiency.
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The statistical penalties of color blindness would be relatively minor, but they would certainly apply to Alchemy (acidity, flame colors, some chemical reactions), Survival checks for foraging, Appraisal (gems, clothing and fine art), Forgery, Spellcraft when used in tandem with detect magic (the sublety of magical auras would be a pain in the butt), Knowledge: Heraldry, some other Knowledge checks (likely Nature), Disguise and some specific Search and Spot checks.
Maybe a -2 on these skills when the situation warrants.
I stand corrected. That's what I get for posting on too little sleep.
Sleep deprivation - the bane of mankind =P Apologies if my post was cranky sounding, had a difficult & long day.