I have read about the The Seekers in all Savage Tide related articles, but now I understand they are a bit more shady and thieving than I had originally thought. Can anyone tell me more about The Seekers or point me to a source that could? Besides the Savage Tidings articles, I mean.
They receive brief mention in Age of Worms, where they are simply described as "unscrupulous archeologists and pseudohistorians." The only Seeker who appears in the AoWAP is Neutral Evil, and they seem to be generally pretty nasty.
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I have read about the The Seekers in all Savage Tide related articles, but now I understand they are a bit more shady and thieving than I had originally thought. Can anyone tell me more about The Seekers or point me to a source that could? Besides the Savage Tidings articles, I mean.
Maure Castle Dungeon #112 is were the Seekers first appeared. They also appear in the Age of Worms AP but Im not sure of which of those Dungeon issues they specificly apear in. Since the Seekers dont have a major role in the STAP you could do what ever you wanted with them. Perhaps they have an interest in setting up a base of operations in Farshore so they can smuggle ancient olman artifacts to the mainland. Maybe there is a specific artifact that they are searching for. For instance in Maure Castle their is a 8 pointed star (the symbol of the seekers) chiseled into the floor, at the points of the star their are trianglar depresions. Rumor has it that a set of 8 metal triangles are hidden throught the Oerth and possibly other planes that fit in these depressions.One of these metal triangles could be hidden somewhere on the Isle of Dread.Finding these 8 Triangles could be the ultimate purpose for the various Seeker chapters with only the certain members in the know, and others just in it for the profit.Because the Scarlet Brotherhood also has an interest in the Isle of Dread searching for artifacts the Seekers could either be working for or against them as best suits your campaign.Also since the Scarlet Brotherhood is hated and looked upon with suspicion across the Flanaess its not unreasonable to assume that the Seekers are a hidden arm or that the leadership of the Seekers is under the control of the Scarlet Brotherhood. Also the Maure family was a off shoot of an ancient cabal of suel warlocks and others, further adding to the possible connections of the two power groups.
I actually went the other way with my STAP and made the Seekers a more noble organization, primarily because the text regarding the Seekers in the STAP material seems to speak of them in a more positive light.
I actually went the other way with my STAP and made the Seekers a more noble organization, primarily because the text regarding the Seekers in the STAP material seems to speak of them in a more positive light.
That, and Lavinia's parents were Seekers,
hence the 8 pointed star all over the Vanderboren Vault, and the plot arc that takes the party to Farshore. I may try to enhance the Seekers role in the STAP if one of the party decide to join their affiliation.
They may not be goody-two-shoes, but they aren't the scarlet bros. or a Vecna cult either.
Indiana Jones, who could be the posterchild for the Seekers, wasn't exactly a Saint and his nemesis Belloch's assertion that Indy is merely a shadowy reflection of himself was probably more accurate than Indy would have liked.
Cheers!
I needed NPC names for the Seekers so I came up with the following, Tordek, Regdar, Mialee, Jozan, Devis, Lidda, Krusk...etc etc.
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I actually went the other way with my STAP and made the Seekers a more noble organization, primarily because the text regarding the Seekers in the STAP material seems to speak of them in a more positive light.That, and Lavinia's parents were Seekers,
** spoiler omitted **They may not be goody-two-shoes, but they aren't the scarlet bros. or a Vecna cult either.
Indiana Jones, who could be the posterchild for the Seekers, wasn't exactly a Saint and his nemesis Belloch's assertion that Indy is merely a shadowy reflection of himself was probably more accurate than Indy would have liked.
Cheers!
Even if the Seekers did unwittingly work for the SB they dont need to be evil, just misguided. I think the Seekers/SB connection could provide an interesting sub plot or Roleplaying opportunity depending on the characters choices and affilations. Ultimatly the DM needs to chose how the affiliation works best for his campaign if at all.
Ummmmm, I don't believe I was suggesting that there was any relationship between the SB and the Seekers, Savage. I was suggesting that the SB is by and large an Evil organization, where the Seekers while not necessarily benevolent, are sure not Evil at an organizational level. I would certainly view their policies as a Neutral outlook.
but thats only my opinion.
Cheers!
Hmm, running the Seekers very much like a victorian Gentlemen Explorer's club ... meaning they consider their whole "mission" as worthy and up-standing, although they in fact are a bit on the grabbing (like in "lets grab the stuff and take it home, don't mind the native uprising" ) and disrespectful to different cultural sensibilities.
Off course there are bad apples ( any thing from egocentric, pompous, ridulous to ruthless and shifty and down-right mean and megalomanic. Obvious insanity is frowned upon...) mixed in with a lot of capable and dedicated scholars and explorers.
Based on the priesthood of Oghmam, Shaundakuhl and Jergal (FR) originally.
Hence, meeting a Seeker hereabouts is as informative as meeting someone of a specific nationality.... not very ! Except taht you know that they really want to comparenotes and maps and possibly steal your rare artifacts....
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Ummmmm, I don't believe I was suggesting that there was any relationship between the SB and the Seekers, Savage. I was suggesting that the SB is by and large an Evil organization, where the Seekers while not necessarily benevolent, are sure not Evil at an organizational level. I would certainly view their policies as a Neutral outlook.
but thats only my opinion.
Cheers!
I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. Basically I was just suggesting one route that a DM could take if he wanted to play up on the Seekers in their campaign. Just think of how you would feel as a player when you realized that all these artifacts you have been looting from the Olmans have been aiding a bunch of white supremisits on their path to global genocide.
I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. Basically I was just suggesting one route that a DM could take if he wanted to play up on the Seekers in their campaign. Just think of how you would feel as a player when you realized that all these artifacts you have been looting from the Olmans have been aiding a bunch of white supremisits on their path to global genocide.Ummmmm, I don't believe I was suggesting that there was any relationship between the SB and the Seekers, Savage. I was suggesting that the SB is by and large an Evil organization, where the Seekers while not necessarily benevolent, are sure not Evil at an organizational level. I would certainly view their policies as a Neutral outlook.
but thats only my opinion.
Cheers!
No worries Savage, I guess the SB could have its tendrils in all sorts of different organizations, I just hadn't planned on going that way in my game.
Cheers!
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One of the players in my Age of Worms campaign really latched onto the mystery of the Seekers and even had a seeker ring crafted for himself using one found in a dungeon as a guide. He still doesn't know the passphrase, so the real Seekers know him to be a fraud.
Since not much had been written in the adventures about the Seekers, and my players seemed curious about them as a plot point, I worked them into the story more closely.
*Age of Worms spoilers follow*
I made the tiefling Bozal into a sort of director for the Seekers, and had the Faceless One (who survived the Three Faces of Evil adventure without ever being seen) turn out to be a mid-rank seeker (and a doppleganger, but that's a longer story) who was working for Bozal. I decided that the seeker rings of the higher-ranking members had enchantments that let them contact their subordinates, the the players overheard a conversation between the Faceless One and Bozal in this way.
Anyway, in my campaign I set it up so that the Seekers are actually working for the Ebon Triad (unbeknownst to most of its membership). Bozal was using them to recover as many copies of the Apostolic Scrolls as possible, seecretly manipulating the middle ranks into exploring ruins where the scrolls might be found. This is why Khellek (and Tirra and Auric) were originally in Diamond Lake: The Faceless One had directed Khellek to seek out unspoilt cairns in an effort to find a copy of the Apostolic Scrolls that could be used to start the Age of Worms. Khellek didn't know why his organization needed the scrolls; he just knew he stood to profit greatly from the job.
My campaign took a detour in which the PCs prevented other servants of the Ebon Triad from recovering a copy of the scrolls, but meanwhile Khellek's group managed to find a different copy. it made its way to Bozal through the Seeker heirarchy, and ended up being used during the Champion's Games. So it was really all Khellek's fault when things when horribly wrong. :)
My players are in the Spire of Long Shadows now, and I'm planning to introduce the Harbinger as the author of these scrolls. The PCs will find a library full of Apostolic Scrolls, all waiting to be used on unsuspecting cities once the Age of Worms begins. I'm hoping it raises a few eyebrows around my game table. :)