Greetings!
Since Greyhawk will no longer be the default setting for D&D, and (I have heard) Living Greyhawk will soon end, I find myself wondering what is going to happen to Greyhawk. Does anyone here know the value of a license to produce Greyhawk material? How about the value to buy the IP outright? Ballparks are fine at this point; I won't have the kind of capital I imagine it is worth until at least the 2nd quarter of next year, and likely a bit later than that. I am very interested in seeing the line continue.
Since Greyhawk will no longer be the default setting for D&D,Since when?
According to EN World, the following was said at GenCon 4E Q&A:
"Greyhawk will not be default setting in core. We want to leverage the assets of the assumed parts of a D&D world – Mordenkainen, Bigby, Vecna, Llolth, Tiamat, Asmodeus, etc. However, we also want to call upon the great mythology that is more commonly known such as Thor, etc."
Since Greyhawk will no longer be the default setting for D&D,Since when?According to EN World, the following was said at GenCon 4E Q&A:
"Greyhawk will not be default setting in core. We want to leverage the assets of the assumed parts of a D&D world – Mordenkainen, Bigby, Vecna, Llolth, Tiamat, Asmodeus, etc. However, we also want to call upon the great mythology that is more commonly known such as Thor, etc."
Ummmm...I like mythology alot, and I have used them in D&D; however, IMO Greyhawk is D&D and D&D is Greyhawk. Why do we need to change what people already love? So, the new kid doesn't have to learn something new?
"Well you could learn about these cool guys name Kord, Vecna, Hextor, but hey you kind of have an idea of who Thor is lets just go with him."
Lets just water the game and it's history down so we can pull in new players, and leave the old players unsatisfied because we have already milked them for 1000's.
Lets make the game faster and easier so new players won't feel over whemed, because gee we wouldn't some one to have to think too hard or need their friends to help them with a social game. I think that kind of sums up 4th ed. in my eyes so far.
Fizz of the 3.5 ed.
Erik posted over in the "Greyhawk & 4E?" thread that WotC has refused all requests to license Greyhawk. So apparently they believe it has some value and want to keep it in-house for the forseeable future.
-The Gneech
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Ummmm...I like mythology alot, and I have used them in D&D; however, IMO Greyhawk is D&D and D&D is Greyhawk. Why do we need to change what people already love? So, the new kid doesn't have to learn something new?"Well you could learn about these cool guys name Kord, Vecna, Hextor, but hey you kind of have an idea of who Thor is lets just go with him."
Lets just water the game and it's history down so we can pull in new players, and leave the old players unsatisfied because we have already milked them for 1000's.
I'm no big fan of 4E at this point (as I'm sure Sebastian would be happy to testify), but this pretty badly mis-states the history of D&D. Gods, Demigod, and Heroes, from 1976 or thereabouts, had Thor and the rest of the Norse pantheon(s)*. It also had Egyptian, Greek, Icelandic, and Irish pantheons (among others). What it didn't have was a Greyhawk pantheon.
* IIRC, the Vanir are believed to be the remnants of the pantheon of a people largely assimilated by the people who worshipped the Aesir. The "modern" Norse pantheon includes elements of both.
I'm no big fan of 4E at this point (as I'm sure Sebastian would be happy to testify), but this pretty badly mis-states the history of D&D. Gods, Demigod, and Heroes, from 1976 or thereabouts, had Thor and the rest of the Norse pantheon(s)*. It also had Egyptian, Greek, Icelandic, and Irish pantheons (among others). What it didn't have was a Greyhawk pantheon.
* IIRC, the Vanir are believed to be the remnants of the pantheon of a people largely assimilated by the people who worshipped the Aesir. The "modern" Norse pantheon includes elements of both.
This is why I said I.M.O. I do feel like Greyhawk should be woven into D&D (that's why I said "in my eyes").
I do think 4th ed. will try to draw more new people and over look old school players.
Fizz
I do love, love, love the Norse pantheon, but I don't feel like we should cut Greyhawk deities to add them.
Greyhawk was supplement 1 and was released in feb. of 1975.Gods, demi-gods & heroes was supplement 4 and was released in july of 1976.
Greyhawk was supplement 1 and was released in feb. of 1975.Gods, demi-gods & heroes was supplement 4 and was released in july of 1976.
Thanks for the back up. I thought Greyhawk was around then, but I wasn't so I don't have any first hand info.
Fizz
WotC's marketing plans -- $0.05 (give or take).
Old Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure off ebay -- $20.
Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk -- $39.95.
The Greyhawk campaign -- priceless.
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Greyhawk, the supplement, included virtually nothing about Greyhawk the city or setting. Certainly, it included nothing about the current pantheon.
IIRC, even the first version of The World of Greyhawk (1980, if Wikipedia is correct) had little about pantheons. (My copy is at home and I am not right now. Correct me if I remember incorrectly.)
If you want to express your outrage that the status quo circa 1522Z, 18 March, 2006* has changed, far be it from me to stop you. But when you do, don't expect those with longer memories to grant the timeless force of that outrage.
* Time chosen arbitrarily for rhetorical effect.
WotC's marketing plans -- $0.05 (give or take).
Old Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure off ebay -- $20.
Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk -- $39.95.
The Greyhawk campaign -- priceless.
Preach it brother.
Erik posted over in the "Greyhawk & 4E?" thread that WotC has refused all requests to license Greyhawk. So apparently they believe it has some value and want to keep it in-house for the forseeable future.
Bummer. Well, I will not have the capital for at least another 9 months anyway. There is always negotiation.
Here's my little dream. Sometime next year WOTC finishes up w/ GH after Living Greyhawk ends, and in a moment of benevolence says to Paizo, "Ok, you really want it that badly? Here's what GH will cost you...". Then Paizo starts up a "capital campaign" whereby those of us w/ lots of disposable income and an interest in seeing GH revived under Paizo's hands put up or shut up, and help buy GH outright. Kind of like those public television marathons when they need to drum up money :)