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22/07/2008 22:04:44 ‹Samwise› Erik>thats one of the things i tried warning The Rouse of, we long timers know when we are getting fed corporate bs, and we will get "uppity" if we get it
22/07/2008 22:04:54 ‹Erik Mona› Knight> I didn't pay much attention to it. It tried to reverse certain things, but a lot of that revolution in Hell crap was inserted by Colin McComb in a Dragon article and modified by Monte Cook in A Paladin in Hell, so sorting out who is responsible for what is tricky.
22/07/2008 22:05:22 ‹Samwise› heh
22/07/2008 22:05:23 ‹Russ› The amount of change in the courts of Hell in 20 years of game time is just nonsensical.
22/07/2008 22:05:28 ‹Samwise› yes, hell got worked over repeatedly
22/07/2008 22:05:30 ‹Erik Mona› I'm not thrilled with the dualism introduced in the form of the serpent and Asmodeus, for sure. I'd almost certainly ignore that aspect if I had to work on the official D&D Hell.
22/07/2008 22:05:46 ‹Mothman› Russ: Also, you have a LOT more room to expand the Abyss ... as you say, Hell was well established, and expanding it significantly would really meantchanging what had come before
22/07/2008 22:05:47 ‹Russ› Hell is STABLE. We've had huge amount of turn over in a hierarchy that's supposed to endure for centuries.
22/07/2008 22:05:48 ‹James Jacobs› Good thing we can throw all that stuff out, eh?
22/07/2008 22:05:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh, I was just about to mention that.
22/07/2008 22:05:53 ‹clight101› So someone just needs to do a Crisis of Infinite Hells and fix it all
22/07/2008 22:05:56 ‹Samwise› part was because of the attempt to get rid of archdevils, thus introducing the dark 8
22/07/2008 22:05:58 ‹Absinth› Mothman, that's a question of taste, I guess. I really enjoyed both books. The devil book was as inspired as the demon one, imho. But I can understand preferring demons; I did the same for years. Only lately did I begin to realize the coolness of lawful evil fiendishness...
22/07/2008 22:06:03 ‹Mr Baron› where is Colin MComb now?
22:06:24 ‹Samwise› part was trying to bring the archdevils back and people wanting to go different directions
22/07/2008 22:06:34 ‹Russ› The Hag Queen. Ugh.
22/07/2008 22:06:39 ‹Russ› (at least she's dead now)
22/07/2008 22:06:40 ‹Samwise› part seemed to be PS trying to introduce earlier fiendish races
22/07/2008 22:06:48 ‹Mr Baron› getting rid of the ach dukes was a terrible idea
22/07/2008 22:06:49 ‹Samwise› like the FC I obyriths :-P
22/07/2008 22:06:52 ‹Timitius› For those who are curious about the Cant of Planescape: http://everything2.com/title/T...520Cant
22/07/2008 22:06:56 ‹Erik Mona› I honestly don't think Colin knew better when he did the new court. I think Monte was the first true D&D "lore" fan to be involved heavily in Planescape, and he came a bit later.
22/07/2008 22:06:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› But some of the coolest part of devils as presented in Planescape got completely skipped in FC II, which bugged me.
22/07/2008 22:07:09 ‹Mr Baron› and hag queen thing was terrible too...
22/07/2008 22:07:24 ‹Absinth› Knight Jr. , that's right!
22/07/2008 22:07:29 ‹Samwise› i still liked colin's work
22/07/2008 22:07:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ancient Baatorians, specifics on devil advancement, feelings about clerics and wizards that are devils . . .
22/07/2008 22:07:32 ‹James Jacobs› Yay! Obyriths!
22/07/2008 22:07:33 ‹Erik Mona› Colin is a cool guy. He posted to my blog about a year ago, I think.
22/07/2008 22:07:41 ‹Daigle› I think the art was a huge percentage of what I liked about Planescape
22/07/2008 22:07:45 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, YES! :dance2:
22/07/2008 22:07:43 ‹Pygon› Pike off berk!
22/07/2008 22:08:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Obyrinths were awesome.
22/07/2008 22:08:09 ‹Lilith› Daigle, Yes, myself as well. The tiefling and cat lord still stick out in my head. Along with bariaurs and yugoloth.
22/07/2008 22:08:10 ‹James Jacobs› They still are!
22/07/2008 22:08:13 ‹Samwise› Pygon>maybe you should check out what "berk" means :-P
22/07/2008 22:08:16 ‹Russ› I greatly preferred the 1st ed abishai, who didn't duplicate the dragon hierarchy of power
22/07/2008 22:08:23 ‹Pygon› Primordial Lovecraftian demons
22/07/2008 22:08:28 ‹Timitius› Daigle, oh yes. And now Spiderwick is his big thing.
22/07/2008 22:08:29 ‹Erik Mona› I don't think that the authors of FC 2 were the kind of multi-generational D&D scholars that James and I are, to put it bluntly.
22/07/2008 22:08:40 ‹Pygon› Sam - I was just repeating a phrase from NWN :)
22/07/2008 22:08:46 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, that would have taken work and effort...;)
22/07/2008 22:08:56 * Lilith stops being snarky....for a minute or two.
22/07/2008 22:08:57 ‹Samwise› James>as for obyriths . . . i found the PS concept of "ancient baatorians" to be weak, but your presentation of obyriths made the whole concept work for me
22/07/2008 22:09:01 ‹Absinth› I don't know why, but when I'm reading the word Obyriths, I'm always thinking of cookies...
22/07/2008 22:09:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› However, from Planescape also came the confusing Dark Eight versus Lords of the Nine issue too (actually, that came from the Outer Planes Monstrous Compendium, now that I think of it)
22/07/2008 22:09:10 ‹Lilith› Absinth, Hmmm... :-k
22/07/2008 22:09:20 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> You should not eat obyrith cookies. They're not good for you.
22/07/2008 22:09:24 ‹DM Charles Evans› Lilith: The diterzli (?) Planescape art was impressive, yes, in 2nd edition.
22/07/2008 22:09:25 ‹DM Charles Evans› :D
22/07/2008 22:09:26 ‹Samwise› Pygon>its not something to be repeated in polite company ;)
22/07/2008 22:09:34 ‹Absinth› Seems like, yeah...:D
22/07/2008 22:09:44 ‹Erik Mona› Obyriths exist at least partly due to my insistance. They are, essentially, the qlippoth from Armies of the Abyss, which are, essentially, Gygax's proto-demons from Come Endless Darkness and Dance of Demons.
22/07/2008 22:09:52 ‹Russ› I like the loumaras too. Especially the dybbuks.
22/07/2008 22:09:54 ‹Samwise› diterlizzi's art, except for the taco bell glabrezu, was awesome for planescape
22/07/2008 22:10:04 ‹Erik Mona› But James completely made them his own, named them, and drove that particular train into the depths of the Abyss.
22/07/2008 22:10:21 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, and it was a great ride! Woohoo! :D
22/07/2008 22:10:22 ‹Samwise› Erik>yes, i suspected the Gygax connection
22/07/2008 22:10:32 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: You forgot the drinking demodands, as wells.....
22/07/2008 22:10:38 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. Erik and I have a somewhat creepy ability to agree on what's cool in the game...
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22/07/2008 22:10:42 ‹greengrunt› EM> literally or symbolically?
22/07/2008 22:10:45 ‹Timitius› I was smitten with diterlizzi's erinyes. Yowza.
22/07/2008 22:10:52 ‹James Jacobs› Yay, Loumaras!
22/07/2008 22:11:05 ‹Erik Mona› The loumaras are a 100% James Jacobs creation.
22/07/2008 22:11:09 ‹Erik Mona› I love their home plane.
22/07/2008 22:11:15 ‹Russ› Speaking of, I was pleasantly shocked at how readable Gygax's DJ fiction was. Thanks! :)
22/07/2008 22:11:22 ‹James Jacobs› I had to sort of fight against WotC to keep that name, actually. They didn't like the name "loumara" since it sounded too wimpy to them. Which made no sense to me.
22/07/2008 22:11:23 ‹Samwise› the loumaras are intriguing as well
22/07/2008 22:11:25 ‹Lilith› Loumaras are neat - I wish we had heard more about them.
22/07/2008 22:11:31 ‹Erik Mona› I am convinced James Jacobs would have been a member of the Lovecraft Circle 75 years ago.
22/07/2008 22:11:32 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, it's dream team syndrome... you guys channel the Gygax :)
22/07/2008 22:11:33 * DM Charles Evans remembers fondly bottled demodand spies....
22/07/2008 22:11:42 ‹James Jacobs› I was gonna introduce a 4th race too... but alas, no room.
22/07/2008 22:11:46 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> Yeah, it's quite enjoyable.
22/07/2008 22:11:48 ‹Russ› I like loumaras a lot more than the fiends of possession.
22/07/2008 22:11:48 ‹Samwise› the dybbuk in particular, another jewish monster :-P
22/07/2008 22:11:53 ‹Russ› oooh spill?
22/07/2008 22:11:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› That's okay James, I'm sure Loumaras are something else now anyway . . . they like recycling names.
22/07/2008 22:12:02 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. All of the loumaras are based on obscure real world myth.
22/07/2008 22:12:05 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, do tell....
22/07/2008 22:12:06 ‹Eyebite› So...you can introduce them to Pathfinder :D
22/07/2008 22:12:07 * Russ changes the letter on Sam's forehead
22/07/2008 22:12:15 ‹Erik Mona› James> They wanted you to call them Hurdling Steamshifters.
22/07/2008 22:12:16 ‹James Jacobs› The gueccebu is from Chile, IIRC...
22/07/2008 22:12:16 ‹Mothman› James: plenty of room in Pathfinder's Abyss!
22/07/2008 22:12:27 ‹Russ› Or was that erases one letter?
22/07/2008 22:12:31 ‹James Jacobs› Erik> That would have been awesome.
22/07/2008 22:12:39 ‹Lilith› Russ, erases. :)
22/07/2008 22:12:38 ‹Samwise› erase one letter
22/07/2008 22:12:46 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
22/07/2008 22:12:47 ‹Samwise› however, i am not a golem
22/07/2008 22:12:53 ‹Samwise› so that doesnt work on me
22/07/2008 22:12:55 * DM Charles Evans wanders off to clear out his cache.... Goodnight for now.
22/07/2008 22:12:59 * DM Charles Evans quit
22/07/2008 22:13:05 ‹yoda8myhead› James and Erik, does it make you sad that things you created and love from your work on various WotC products are now completely off limits to you in Pathfinder?
22/07/2008 22:13:05 ‹Russ› Sam - read the Adventures of Kavalier and Clay?
22/07/2008 22:13:05 ‹Erik Mona› Felching Footwrangler.
22/07/2008 22:13:12 ‹David› Samwise, what if we draw a letter?
22/07/2008 22:13:12 ‹Ross› Is there any plan to replace the racial subtypes for devils and demons?
22/07/2008 22:13:14 ‹Samwise› Russ>nope
22/07/2008 22:13:28 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> It doesn't really make me sad, honestly. I prefer the clean slate.
22/07/2008 22:13:35 ‹James Jacobs› The 4th race was gonna be a race of "created" demons. The retriever is an example. The broodswarm would have been another. I had 3 ideas for additional ones, but never got to the stage where they had a racial name before I realized I had no room to do that much.
22/07/2008 22:13:35 ‹Russ› You should, pretty heavily features the golem myth :)
22/07/2008 22:13:39 ‹Samwise› David>for me? nothing for a golem? hard to say
22/07/2008 22:13:51 ‹David› darn
22/07/2008 22:13:52 ‹Daigle› Carve a tiny 'z'?
22/07/2008 22:13:59 ‹Mothman› Sam, what was the original Dybbuk?
22/07/2008 22:14:04 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> A little, yeah. But mostly only Obox-ob.
22/07/2008 22:14:18 * Pygon wonders what the Golarion Prince of Demons will be like...
22/07/2008 22:14:25 ‹Russ› Daigle - this man is very valuable to me, in spite of his race!
22/07/2008 22:14:34 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> yup. For now, though, they're just demons and devils. We'll probably pull in the qlippoths from Book of Fiends, though.
22/07/2008 22:14:35 ‹Daigle› Win!
22/07/2008 22:14:37 ‹Samwise› Mothman>pretty much what James wrote, a spirit that possesses a body and causes it have sex
22/07/2008 22:14:48 ‹Erik Mona› When writing for D&D, I like to really use my extensive knowledge of the game's history and lore and add to that. It's really, really fun, but it's also playing within someone else's established world and making sure you don't irrevocably break something. It also means a lot of creative compromise, as you're forced to include certain stupidities added by 90s mullet-men in the TSR sweatshop in the
22/07/2008 22:14:49 ‹Lilith› Samwise, :woot: :P
22/07/2008 22:14:52 ‹Absinth› Huh, coffee as black as the abyss and cthulhu cookies. What a way to start the day! My clients will be pleased...:)
22/07/2008 22:14:54 ‹Erik Mona› interest of keeping up "canon".
22/07/2008 22:14:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› Isn't Lamashstu kind of the "prince"?
22/07/2008 22:15:14 ‹Erik Mona› Working on our new stuff is much less restrictive creatively, in my opinion.
22/07/2008 22:15:15 * Russ stifles a snicker
22/07/2008 22:15:19 ‹James Jacobs› Obox-ob was the big-bad god of my home-brew world. Rovagug got promoted from my home-brew to take that role in Golarion.
22/07/2008 22:15:28 ‹Urza› Erik Mona, if only you were in charge of the Forgottren Realms brand
22/07/2008 22:15:31 ‹James Jacobs› The prince of demons in Golarion is indeed a princess. Lamashtu.
22/07/2008 22:15:32 ‹Mothman› 90s mullet-men in the TSR sweatshop - love the imagery!
22/07/2008 22:15:40 ‹greengrunt› Mullets was the hairstyle of TSR? Ouch!!
22/07/2008 22:15:46 ‹Pygon› oh really, I did not know that.
22/07/2008 22:15:47 ‹Absinth› lol
22/07/2008 22:15:57 ‹Ross› I am SO looking forward to the BABoM after this discussion.
22/07/2008 22:16:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› That reminds me . . . thank you for "suggesting" real world cultures in the Gaz instead of cutting and pasting them from Encyclopedias . . .
22/07/2008 22:16:16 ‹Lilith› Ross, Big Ass Book of Monsters?
22/07/2008 22:16:26 ‹Ross› Lilith, indeed.
22/07/2008 22:16:29 ‹Erik Mona› Urza> It may be time to leave the Forgotten Realms behind and sail for less polluted shores.
22/07/2008 22:16:30 * Daigle sorts acronyms
22/07/2008 22:16:36 ‹Daigle› Ah!
22/07/2008 22:16:37 ‹Absinth› Base Attack Bonus of...uhhh. Mars?
22/07/2008 22:16:44 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. Lamashtu is certainly the most powerful demon. She kinda gets the title "boss demon" as a result. But she's not really interested in that job, since as a goddess she's got MUCH bigger things on her plate. So the role of "boss of the Abyss" is sorta in the air,.
22/07/2008 22:16:46 ‹Urza› Erik Mona, that's why I'm here.
22/07/2008 22:16:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› I made that break recently . . . its painful . . .
22/07/2008 22:16:55 ‹Mothman› I swear, I didn't touch that girl! I was possessed by a Dybbuk!
22:17:01 * Sothal@work joins Main
22/07/2008 22:17:10 ‹Erik Mona› Urza> Welcome!
22/07/2008 22:17:11 ‹Sothal@work› good Morning
22/07/2008 22:17:11 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sothal!
22/07/2008 22:17:12 ‹greengrunt› Hi Sothal
22/07/2008 22:17:13 ‹James Jacobs› Dybbuks are creepy.
22/07/2008 22:17:21 ‹ollibolli› hallo Sothal
22/07/2008 22:17:23 ‹Russ› For an example of mullet-haired suck, Jaran (or Jason) Krimeaeah. Ah, Basiliv, you were a thousand times more evil than he...
22/07/2008 22:17:27 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Sothal
22/07/2008 22:17:33 ‹Absinth› Hey Sothal!
22/07/2008 22:17:36 ‹Sothal@work› Erik Mona! Nice to see you here!
22/07/2008 22:17:45 ‹Samwise› Mothman>well, yeah, the same as with being seduced by an incubus
22/07/2008 22:17:50 ‹Erik Mona› There's nothing to stop anyone from running a "classic" Realms campaign. Lots of people pretend the Greyhawk Wars never hapened, and that schism didn't hurt Greyhawk fandom at all.
22/07/2008 22:17:55 ‹Erik Mona› Er.
22/07/2008 22:17:57 ‹Samwise› thats part of whats so disturbing about critters like that
22/07/2008 22:17:57 ‹Russ› Mothman - butt they partake in ALL the pleasure of the flesh. Think Roman-style food excess.
22/07/2008 22:18:14 ‹Urza› Erik Mona, thanks.. almost a year late but I'll take it. :) That said please rise from the grave and kill anyone that attempts to Spell Plague Golarion in 20-30 years :)
22/07/2008 22:18:18 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> But Jason has a drow sidekick!
22/07/2008 22:18:22 ‹James Jacobs› HA!. Russ said "butt."
22/07/2008 22:18:24 * Fray joins Main
22/07/2008 22:18:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Erik, too much old lore got "retconned" as "presaging" the Spellplague for me to ignore it now . . . it taints everything I read anymore.
22/07/2008 22:18:39 ‹Daigle› Howdy Fray!
22/07/2008 22:18:39 ‹Erik Mona› Thanks for that, Jim Ward and Jean Rabe.
22/07/2008 22:18:40 ‹greengrunt› Hi Fray
22/07/2008 22:18:44 ‹Russ› Erik> I don't know that any one gaming product ever completed ruined an otherwise cool part of a setting to the degree Vale of the Mage did :)
22/07/2008 22:18:45 ‹Fray› Hi gang
22/07/2008 22:18:45 ‹Eyebite› Hey Fray
22/07/2008 22:18:50 ‹Samwise› is that Jaran Buhlman?
22/07/2008 22:18:52 ‹Fray› what did I miss? ;)
22/07/2008 22:18:53 ‹James Jacobs› Urza: Did you just predict that Erik would be dead in 20 to 30 years?
22/07/2008 22:18:55 ‹Russ› completely ruined, pardon me
22/07/2008 22:18:57 ‹Justin Sluder› hey Fray
22/07/2008 22:19:02 ‹Russ› Did ANYONE ever touch the Valley of the Mage again?
22/07/2008 22:19:09 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Try "Castle Greyhawk."
22/07/2008 22:19:16 ‹Samwise› not directly
22/07/2008 22:19:27 ‹Samwise› some of us lunatic fans have danced around it
22/07/2008 22:19:29 ‹Fray› I so had a question and can't remember it now...
22/07/2008 22:19:33 ‹Fray› :sigh:
22/07/2008 22:19:37 ‹Russ› James> Castle Greyhawk certainly achieved a greater level of suck, but it didn't people from coming back to fix it later
22/07/2008 22:19:40 ‹Erik Mona› Yeah! What the hell!?!?
22/07/2008 22:19:48 ‹Daigle› Quick Golarion question: If there is Atlantian flavor, is there also maybe a Mu?
22/07/2008 22:20:03 ‹Eyebite› And I remember when I was a wee tot....the bare bones description for Valley of the Mage sounded so cool in the sourcebook . . . ugh
22/07/2008 22:20:07 ‹James Jacobs› There is indeed a Mu out there somewhere, i suspect.
22/07/2008 22:20:08 ‹Erik Mona› Fred Weining added some Black One subtext in the LGG.
22/07/2008 22:20:12 ‹Lilith› Daigle, or the land of Gog and Magog?
22/07/2008 22:20:22 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Gugs are awesome. :)
22/07/2008 22:20:23 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, actually I was trying to be subtle that Ed rolled over and played dead regarding 4e instead of doing what 99% of us wanted and that's through a public tantrum... but he's too much of a gentlemen for that
22/07/2008 22:20:23 ‹Fray› Erik Mona> Do you guys make the same $$$ from books bought on amazon as books bought on paizo.com?
22/07/2008 22:20:28 ‹Erik Mona› The Vale of the Mage is like a radiation zone.
22/07/2008 22:20:30 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yup! They are.
22/07/2008 22:20:37 ‹Fray› Gamma World!!!
22/07/2008 22:20:48 ‹Daigle› Maybe with survivors holed up in a mountain in Varisia?
22/07/2008 22:20:53 ‹Mothman› Daigle, remind me which mythic land Mu is? Is that the mountain city filled with ape people?
22/07/2008 22:20:58 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Yeah, Ed's a gentleman AND a professional.
22/07/2008 22:20:58 ‹Fray› The Vale of the Mage is like Gamma World...
22/07/2008 22:20:59 ‹Russ› WG12 "Vale of the Mage" destroyed the Valley of the Mage, and salted the ground for good measure, that no written word might find fruit in its once fertile ground again
22/07/2008 22:21:00 ‹Erik Mona› Ed also understands that it is work for hire, and he was paid well for the Realms. So he doesn't really have grounds for a public tantrum.
22/07/2008 22:21:07 ‹Samwise› Erik>"no one" wants to use jaran, and they cant use basiliv
22/07/2008 22:21:12 ‹Timitius› Fray, good question.
22/07/2008 22:21:14 ‹Lilith› Mothman, Mu was located in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
22/07/2008 22:21:28 ‹Erik Mona› James> Remind me to tell you of the UNBELIEVABLE racism of "Children of Mu," btw.
22/07/2008 22:21:32 ‹Erik Mona› It is a hilarious story.
22/07/2008 22:21:38 ‹Russ› Samwise> and didn't the adventure call him "Jason", after he'd been named Jaran in Greyhawk Adventures?
22/07/2008 22:21:50 ‹James Jacobs› I actually ran "Vale of the Mage" in my college Greyhawk campaign. It worked out okay. Although I did make quite a bit of changes....
22/07/2008 22:21:56 ‹Urza› Erik Mona, true, but others survived just fine without D&D.. but then again.. they're also remembered for their antics as much as they're remembered for their legacy.. but atleast this time the fans would have been on the side of the embarassing old guy
22/07/2008 22:21:59 ‹Lilith› The "Atlas of Imaginary Places" (I think that's what it's called) is a great book to read.
22/07/2008 22:22:04 ‹James Jacobs› Erik> You've told me that story. It's pretty crazy.
22/07/2008 22:22:06 ‹Daigle› The Pixies song Velouria references Mu
22/07/2008 22:22:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ed, more than any of the fans, can honestly sit back and know what is and isn't the case in his Realms . . .
22/07/2008 22:22:10 ‹Erik Mona› Fray> No, but stronger sales on Amazon probably do more to sell the books to a wider audience than direct sales on Paizo.com. Reviews on Amazon are especially helpful.
22/07/2008 22:22:11 ‹Samwise› Russ>so i understand
22/07/2008 22:22:20 ‹Fray› I have a Mu comic... pretty cool. (based on the Korean mMORPG of the same name)
22/07/2008 22:22:22 * Russ thinks of Greyhawk Adventures as the Fonz leaping the shark.
22/07/2008 22:22:41 ‹Samwise› Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
22/07/2008 22:22:42 ‹Mothman› Lilith: I'll have to check that one out!
22/07/2008 22:22:46 ‹Erik Mona› Sam> I think the coolness of Basiliv and a (fitting) unwillingness to contradict Gygax also keeps people in check.
22/07/2008 22:23:13 ‹Samwise› right, the combo of the two
22/07/2008 22:23:14 ‹Russ› Poor Basiliv. He did not end wel..
22/07/2008 22:23:28 ‹Samwise› of course, i decided to just use the valley elves as the directing force
22/07/2008 22:23:33 ‹Samwise› and ignore the mysterious mage
22/07/2008 22:24:00 ‹Justin Sluder› well, I'm out all
22/07/2008 22:24:01 ‹Erik Mona› Yeah, aside from the invaluable "mystic places" section, Greyhawk Adventures is a wasteland. Even the back of the Rogue's Gallery is a better Greyhawk supplement than it is.
22/07/2008 22:24:06 ‹Justin Sluder› have fun
22/07/2008 22:24:17 ‹Justin Sluder› and remember, don't kill anyone without me
22/07/2008 22:24:23 ‹Fray› Erik Mona> Would endorse Amazon purchases when we give good review? (I'm being a bit wishy-washy because of the price differences and I have $600/mo gas bill... but I want to do right by you paizo guys...)
22/07/2008 22:24:26 ‹Erik Mona› And something like "Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth," which isn't even a true sourcebook, is miles better by comparison.
22/07/2008 22:24:27 * Justin Sluder waves goodbye to the room
22/07/2008 22:24:28 ‹Eyebite› Night Justin
22/07/2008 22:24:31 ‹Mothman› Bye Justin
22/07/2008 22:24:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› I did play a cleric of Celestian because of it though . . .
22/07/2008 22:24:37 ‹James Jacobs› Valley elves! Not like any elf I've seen before!
22/07/2008 22:24:38 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin the :sleep:er
22/07/2008 22:24:38 ‹Russ› Some of the NPCs weren't hopeless.
22/07/2008 22:24:41 ‹greengrunt› night Justin
22/07/2008 22:24:44 ‹Erik Mona› Fray> Then buy it straight from us.
22/07/2008 22:24:46 ‹Samwise› lost caverns . . . feh
22/07/2008 22:24:50 ‹Erik Mona› And post a good review on Amazon for free! :)
22/07/2008 22:24:52 ‹Russ› Karll coming to mind. Although fixing the Karll they presented in that is a lot of work.
22/07/2008 22:24:52 ‹Rathendar› lost caverns is one of my fave modules )
22/07/2008 22:24:56 ‹ollibolli› gn8 justin
22/07/2008 22:25:00 ‹James Jacobs› Erik> But... but that book introduced the camprat!
22/07/2008 22:25:09 ‹James Jacobs› Oh. Wait. you're right.
22/07/2008 22:25:14 ‹Russ› Tang the Horrific was from there, wasn't he?
22/07/2008 22:25:21 ‹Fray› Erik Mona> ah ha! okie dokie.
22/07/2008 22:25:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› Weren't mist wolves in that too?
22/07/2008 22:25:38 ‹James Jacobs› I think so.
22/07/2008 22:25:42 ‹Erik Mona› I think the Greyhawk setting has failed to sufficiently isolate what makes a valley elf: a) measurably different from other elves, b) cool.
22/07/2008 22:25:45 ‹Russ› Swordwraiths?
22/07/2008 22:25:48 ‹James Jacobs› Plus WAY more Bigby hand spells than anyone ever needed.
22/07/2008 22:25:51 ‹Daigle› Tang the Horrific is an unfortunate name.
22/07/2008 22:25:51 ‹Fray› that book introduced the cravat too?
22/07/2008 22:26:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› And some cactus thing I can't put my finger on . . .
22/07/2008 22:26:05 ‹James Jacobs› Swordwraiths are actually kinda neat.
22/07/2008 22:26:07 ‹Erik Mona› Also camprats!
22/07/2008 22:26:09 ‹Fray› Bigby was an octopus
22/07/2008 22:26:09 ‹Eyebite› You have to wonder about a dude that had that many "hand" spells
22/07/2008 22:26:15 ‹James Jacobs› CAMPRATS!
22/07/2008 22:26:25 ‹Erik Mona› Swordwraiths and drowned ones are highlights of the otherwise pedestrian monster section.
22/07/2008 22:26:27 ‹James Jacobs› I gotta tell Wes about the camp rats.
22/07/2008 22:26:39 ‹James Jacobs› Grung are pretty cool too.
22/07/2008 22:26:41 ‹Fray› heheh cravat camprats
22/07/2008 22:26:59 ‹Erik Mona› Yeah, but none of that stuff is inherently Greyhawk. They could have appeared anywhere.
22/07/2008 22:27:02 ‹Samwise› Erik>thats why i did it :-P
22/07/2008 22:27:14 ‹Daigle› Eyebite, yeah. Don't sit down anywhere at his house.
22/07/2008 22:27:18 ‹James Jacobs› yup.
22/07/2008 22:27:19 ‹Fray› Did we get info on theCampaign Setting and Beta ship dates?
22/07/2008 22:27:20 ‹Samwise› Bigby's Hand of Spell Renaming
22/07/2008 22:27:20 * Timitius quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 22:27:23 ‹Erik Mona› It's like the 0-level character rules. Ok, well, thanks, but what are the Hierarchs of the Horned Society again?
22/07/2008 22:27:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Kinda like a bunch of the monsters that showed up in Monsters of Faerun.
22/07/2008 22:27:32 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah.
22/07/2008 22:27:37 ‹James Jacobs› AUGH
22/07/2008 22:27:38 ‹James Jacobs› Grrrr.
22/07/2008 22:27:44 ‹Eyebite› I don't know Daigle...it's a date in every scroll at Bigby's house :D
22/07/2008 22:27:46 ‹Russ› Some really bad spells and magic items.
22/07/2008 22:27:58 ‹Erik Mona› Monsters of Faerun is a Dungeon editor's BANE, btw.
22/07/2008 22:28:05 ‹Samwise› oh?
22/07/2008 22:28:06 ‹Urza› Erik Mona, bah! some of us liked the 0 level rules! :)
22/07/2008 22:28:07 ‹Rathendar› lol
22/07/2008 22:28:08 ‹Samwise› why?
22/07/2008 22:28:11 ‹Daigle› :P
22/07/2008 22:28:13 ‹James Jacobs› The thing about Monsters of Faerun was that WotC didn't know if 3rd edition was gonna be a success... a lot of the monsters that got put into there were put in mostly because they were worried that they wouldn't get another chance to get those monsters into the game.
22/07/2008 22:28:26 ‹James Jacobs› It's the stealth monster book.
22/07/2008 22:28:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› 1. Lots of monsters that should have been "core" 2. Missed chance to, I don't know, give stats to actual FR specific monsters . . .
22/07/2008 22:28:32 ‹greengrunt› Well.. Folks I'm audi.. Good night everybody
22/07/2008 22:28:38 ‹Samwise› hmmmmmm
22/07/2008 22:28:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› night Gg
22/07/2008 22:28:43 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, Night!
22/07/2008 22:28:45 ‹Fray› nite gg
22/07/2008 22:28:49 ‹Eyebite› night grunt
22/07/2008 22:28:54 ‹David› nite gg
22/07/2008 22:28:55 ‹Daigle› Have a good night Greengrunt
22/07/2008 22:29:17 ‹Samwise› so none of them were generally usable as core critters?
22/07/2008 22:29:21 ‹Rathendar› what actually makes the book have teh monickker 'bane' tho?
22/07/2008 22:29:22 ‹ollibolli› gn8 greengrunt
22/07/2008 22:29:29 ‹Erik Mona› Why are 0-level rules something of especial value to a Greyhawk DM? Why not put them in Unearthed Arcana or a similar volume?
22/07/2008 22:29:31 ‹Fray› Anyone> Did we get info on the Campaign Setting and Beta ship dates? (Will we get them before Aug 16th?)
22/07/2008 22:29:34 ‹Russ› Org Nenshen, much less interesting than Arentol...
22/07/2008 22:29:38 ‹Erik Mona› You know what's interesting?
22/07/2008 22:29:39 * greengrunt quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 22:29:48 ‹David› what?
22/07/2008 22:29:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› I always kind of wondered why the 0 level rules were there as well.
22/07/2008 22:29:51 ‹James Jacobs› The 0-level rules were kinda neat... but Erik's point was that those rules weren't inherently "Greyhawk." They took up space in the book that could have been used detailing Greyhawkstuff. Like what he just said, cause he types faster.
22/07/2008 22:29:54 ‹Urza› lol... actually to Bill Slavicsek "Monsters of Faerun was a huge succuess for us"... i always knew it was alittle fishy!
22/07/2008 22:29:55 ‹Fray› wut?
22/07/2008 22:29:56 ‹ollibolli› what?
22/07/2008 22:30:02 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, ?
22/07/2008 22:30:02 ‹James Jacobs› I do, Erik!
22/07/2008 22:30:06 ‹Daigle› Yes.
22/07/2008 22:30:15 * Lilith gives Erik Mona cookies. :cookie::cookie:
22/07/2008 22:30:16 ‹Fray› maybe
22/07/2008 22:30:18 ‹Samwise› Russ>yes well, not that being an oligarch is safe anymore ;)
22/07/2008 22:30:22 ‹Fray› camprats!
22/07/2008 22:30:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› As a FR DM, I kind of wondered if I was suppose to be able to use them in FR, or if they were just for my GH DM friend.
22/07/2008 22:30:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› (I was much younger back then)
22/07/2008 22:30:37 ‹James Jacobs› Monsters of Faerun was a success... but they didn't KNOW it would be, especially since they were working on it before 3rd edition released.
22/07/2008 22:30:49 ‹Absinth› .
22/07/2008 22:30:54 ‹Russ› Samwise> it is hard to describe how completely uninterested I am in the LG final plot arcs
22/07/2008 22:30:57 * Lilith gives James Jacobs Cthulhu cookies. :cthulhu::cookie::cthulhu::cookie:
22/07/2008 22:30:59 ‹Erik Mona› I am pretty sure one of my old catalogs from about 1986 shows an "Unearthed Arcana 2" mock-up and solicitation, complete with a Gary Gygax name on the front cover. As with Oriental Adventures (also in development at the time), Gary wouldn't have actually been much involved, his name serving more as part of the branding at the time. When Gygax famously left TSR, I'm guessing this project was shelve
22/07/2008 22:31:10 ‹Samwise› Russ>curse you!
22/07/2008 22:31:20 ‹James Jacobs› I remember that, Erik.
22/07/2008 22:31:31 ‹James Jacobs› Along with "Shadowlands."
22/07/2008 22:31:32 ‹Russ› Erik> Yeah, I think I've seen excerpts from that
22/07/2008 22:31:36 ‹Erik Mona› shelved. But I wonder if some of the work had already been done, and I wonder if the 0-level rules were added to Greyhawk Adventures to fill space because of bad planning, thrift, or a freelancer blowing his deadline.
22/07/2008 22:31:41 ‹Russ› Samwise> Curse wizards, for ending the campaign with a whimper.
22/07/2008 22:31:43 ‹ollibolli› since N4 Treasure Hunt is playing on the Moonshaes and using 0-level characters... yes, it is also for the FR
22/07/2008 22:31:51 ‹James Jacobs› I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that out.
22/07/2008 22:32:03 ‹Rathendar› hmm, workytime fo rme again, see ya in about 15-20. if anyone leaves before i get back, am glad you came in )
22/07/2008 22:32:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› But I believe the rules worked differently between the two.
22/07/2008 22:32:14 ‹ollibolli› Corinn Archipelago, to be exact
22/07/2008 22:32:22 ‹Mothman› So is that what makes Monsters of Faerun a Dungeon editors bane? That the monsters should have been core?
22/07/2008 22:32:22 * yoda8myhead feels left out, as all these books came out when he was just a wee boy
22/07/2008 22:32:24 ‹Samwise› Russ>i do that too, but at least check out the Honor Among Thieves arc, menge and i tried to give it more than a little bang
22/07/2008 22:32:30 ‹James Jacobs› Or even more likely, the same author who wrote the 0 level ruels for UA2 was working on Greyhawk and just copy-pasted that stuff in to save himself some work?
22/07/2008 22:32:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› And I'm not sure N4 wasn't one of those "hey, lets call this FR" modules from FR's early history.
22/07/2008 22:32:39 ‹Fray› Conan Archipelago
22/07/2008 22:32:42 ‹Fray› too
22/07/2008 22:32:45 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yes. Many of the monsters shoudl have ben core.
22/07/2008 22:33:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Perytons leap to mind right off the bat.
22/07/2008 22:33:12 ‹Erik Mona› James> Also possible.
22/07/2008 22:33:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Leucrotta . . .
22/07/2008 22:33:16 ‹James Jacobs› MM2 is Erik's personal bane , though. Every time he said, "We should update this monster in Dungeon!" I would have to tell him, "It's in MM2. Sorry."
22/07/2008 22:33:38 ‹Erik Mona› It's interesting to look back on some of those classic books with the eye of an editor and publisher rather than with the eye of a more casual reader.
22/07/2008 22:33:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› So MM2 was an example of a book of "Forbidden Lore"?
22/07/2008 22:33:45 ‹Russ› Samwise - in an alternate universe, 4E could have released NEXT year, and Living Greyhawk gone out with a bang at the con that announced the new ruleset
22/07/2008 22:33:55 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik, it's fun having you in the chat. you should swing by more often
22/07/2008 22:34:01 ‹Russ› KE> N4 was a patch-in to FR, yes.
22/07/2008 22:34:26 ‹Erik Mona› I think I cracked the structure of a Conan pastiche in my recent blog post, which I wouldn't have noticed had I not done a lot of editing, rewriting, and manucript mangling of my own.
22/07/2008 22:34:29 ‹Mothman› Everytime I flick through the MM2 I have an "oh, I forgot that monster was in here!" moment
22/07/2008 22:34:33 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Erik Mona, do you find yourself reading other RPG material with an editor's eye rather than a casual reader? (My theater friends have this issue of being unable to separate the job from enjoying a move, I was wondering if it was the same.)
22/07/2008 22:34:37 ‹Sothal@work› Russ: Then we would miss Golarion
22/07/2008 22:34:40 ‹Erik Mona› MM2 just stinks.
22/07/2008 22:34:40 * David changes his/her nickname to David does that sleep thing
22/07/2008 22:34:47 ‹David does that sleep thing› night!
22/07/2008 22:34:55 ‹Lilith› Night David!
22/07/2008 22:34:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night David
22/07/2008 22:35:01 ‹Daigle› Night, David
22/07/2008 22:35:07 ‹ollibolli› gn8 david
22/07/2008 22:35:13 ‹Fray› later ska8r
22/07/2008 22:35:17 ‹Russ› In general, the MM books after the first (including FF) have at best a 20% useful rate, which is not good for am onster book. They rival the original FF for suck-to-good factor.
22/07/2008 22:35:18 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Absolutely. It's really tough for me not to get riled up about white space on a page or widows or orphans or typos or XXXs.
22/07/2008 22:35:28 ‹Mothman› bye David
22/07/2008 22:35:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› What, you aren't a fan of 300 HD CR 10 creatures (I exagerate . . . a little)
22/07/2008 22:35:37 ‹Erik Mona› It's 65% crap, 20% classic stuff implemented poorly, and 15% genuinely useful material. But, ho ho, it was never updated to 3.5, so it also means that every monster must be converted. It's also CLOSED CONTENT, miring some quite useful monsters in a source we can no longer use.
22/07/2008 22:35:52 ‹Russ› James - as in "See Page XX"?
22/07/2008 22:36:02 ‹Erik Mona› A lot of the historical creatures in Fiend Folio were repeated in open form in the Tome of Horrors, but the ones locked in MM2 are dead to us.
22/07/2008 22:36:03 ‹Mothman› James: what are widows and orphans? (Apart from the obvious)
22/07/2008 22:36:27 ‹Daigle› Trite, I'm guessing.
22/07/2008 22:36:34 * Russ creates some zombie children
22/07/2008 22:36:35 ‹Erik Mona› I like the 3e FF.
22/07/2008 22:36:39 ‹Fray› It's 85% Improved Grapple and Swallow Whole and constructs and undead... 15% useful stuff
22/07/2008 22:36:57 ‹ollibolli› last lines of a paragraph on a new page or at the top of a new column
22/07/2008 22:36:59 ‹Urza› No monster shall be left behind!
22/07/2008 22:37:01 * DM Charles Evans joins Main
22/07/2008 22:37:03 ‹James Jacobs› yeah! The 3E FF is nice and neat!
22/07/2008 22:37:06 ‹Lilith› Mothman, a single sentence of a previous section at the top of a completely new page, things like that. It's a visual thing.
22/07/2008 22:37:11 ‹Urza› Get Chinese Knock-off Monsters!
22/07/2008 22:37:12 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yeah. See page xxx is lame.
22/07/2008 22:37:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› I know the MM2 was a pain in the ass, but honestly, I didn't really get pissed off by a Monster Book until the MM 4
22/07/2008 22:37:23 ‹ollibolli› or just one word using a new line
22/07/2008 22:37:29 ‹yoda8myhead› I like Swallow Whole. Nothing beats hacking your way out a beast's gullet
22/07/2008 22:37:30 ‹Mothman› Cool
22/07/2008 22:37:37 ‹Russ› I dunno. FF loses a lot of design points for the CRs being all over the place high and low but rarely right
22/07/2008 22:37:43 * DM Charles Evans pops back in briefly.
22/07/2008 22:37:45 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> My favorite MM2 goof is comparing the megalodon to the legendary shark. Same monster, basically, but the one that's tougher in pretty much every way has a lower CR.
22/07/2008 22:37:46 ‹Russ› Yoda - muscular action seals the hole, I hear.
22/07/2008 22:37:51 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, i was tired of the WOTC MMs after 3 :)
22/07/2008 22:37:56 ‹Mothman› Didn't Erik and James write a number of monsters for the 3E FF?
22/07/2008 22:38:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
22/07/2008 22:38:07 ‹Fray› Mothman> they are usually one word that on it's own line...
22/07/2008 22:38:07 ‹Christopher Utley› IJames> I don't think that is limited to editors. I don't like seeing those things in a book I paid for.
22/07/2008 22:38:13 * Absinth quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 22:38:13 ‹Urza› Mothman, sssssssssssssssssh
22/07/2008 22:38:22 ‹Ross› Russ, I prefer the 'induce vomiting' explanation for that reason.
22/07/2008 22:38:23 ‹Russ› there's a swallow whole cut-and-paste error that gives the "muscular action" line to something with no muscles
22/07/2008 22:38:27 ‹Fray› Mothman> and they look 'wierd' and out of place.
22/07/2008 22:38:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› MM 3 seemed like a stealth Eberron MM, but I still found some neat stuff in there.
22/07/2008 22:38:32 ‹James Jacobs› Widows and orphans are when you have a sentance break over onto a new line, but only by one word. Or break into a new column or page but only by one word.
22/07/2008 22:38:33 ‹ollibolli› <--- breakfast
22/07/2008 22:38:39 ‹Christopher Utley› And I put a typo in the on thing I write tonight. Brilliant
22/07/2008 22:38:44 ‹Daigle› Were kenku in MM2 or MM3?
22/07/2008 22:39:08 ‹Lilith› Daigle, MM3
22/07/2008 22:39:10 ‹James Jacobs› The 3rd Edition FF was mostly written by Paizo employees, actually.
22/07/2008 22:39:11 ‹Mothman› Daigle: MM3
22/07/2008 22:39:18 ‹Daigle› Gracias
22/07/2008 22:39:22 ‹Urza› hehe
22/07/2008 22:39:25 ‹Urza› imagine that :)
22/07/2008 22:39:27 ‹Eyebite› alright, G'night all. Thanks Erik, James, and dmtools crew for another good chat!
22/07/2008 22:39:29 ‹Ross› Russ, not like it makes that much sense for things with muscles.
22/07/2008 22:39:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night eyebite
22/07/2008 22:39:36 ‹Lilith› Eyebite, Night dude!
22/07/2008 22:39:37 ‹Mothman› Stealth Eberron...
22/07/2008 22:39:40 ‹Urza› i use the FF and don't bother converting.. i know.. bad me :)
22/07/2008 22:39:43 ‹Daigle› Have a good night Eyebite!
22/07/2008 22:39:45 ‹Urza› but the monsters are good!
22/07/2008 22:39:48 ‹Mothman› Sya Eyebite
22/07/2008 22:40:08 ‹Mothman› Urza: Likewise, except DR
22/07/2008 22:40:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› The main thing I worry about converting is DR
22/07/2008 22:40:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› heh
22/07/2008 22:40:18 ‹James Jacobs› Muscular action closing the hole is stupid anyway. If you cut a hole in a dinosaur from the inside... that should just mess up its swallow whole attack and should probably do it in anyway.
22/07/2008 22:40:26 ‹Urza› Mothman, yes... that I invent on the fly :)
22/07/2008 22:40:27 ‹Fray› ok...i'm getting up in 6 hours... gnite y'all....
22/07/2008 22:40:37 ‹Fray› thanks Erick and James for chatting
22/07/2008 22:40:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night fray
22/07/2008 22:40:40 ‹Daigle› Sleep well, Fray!
22/07/2008 22:40:41 ‹Urza› Fray, weak sauce... good night :)
22/07/2008 22:40:42 ‹Russ› James - yeah, just look at the poor bastard in Alien
22/07/2008 22:40:46 ‹Fray› :gninja:
22/07/2008 22:40:48 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 22:40:51 ‹Russ› His muscular action didn't seal nothin'
22/07/2008 22:40:52 ‹Pygon› gnite Fray
22/07/2008 22:40:54 ‹James Jacobs› The swallow whole attack is one that I'll be personally picking on when we get around to it in the PF RPG.
22/07/2008 22:40:56 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I like the idea that you're forcing it to cough you up. Sword-induced indigestion.
22/07/2008 22:41:08 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> yeah. That's a great way to handle it.
22/07/2008 22:41:14 * paul on tab joins Main
22/07/2008 22:41:15 ‹James Jacobs› Very elegant.
22/07/2008 22:41:18 ‹Ross› Mechanically the same, no magic self-sealing guts.
22/07/2008 22:41:34 ‹Mothman› Russ: he didnt have a swallow whole attack though...
22/07/2008 22:41:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› Unless its a really big troll . . .
22/07/2008 22:41:37 ‹Daigle› Howdy paul
22/07/2008 22:41:40 ‹Russ› And on that note, you must read this strip if you like Alien: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?..._id=108
22/07/2008 22:41:50 * Fray quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 22:41:50 * Fray quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 22:41:52 * Fray quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 22:41:54 ‹paul on tab› hey
22/07/2008 22:42:03 ‹James Jacobs› OR: Maybe make it that in order to cut your way out, you have to reduce the thing to 0 hit points (or make an attack on its insides while it's already at 0 or lower).
22/07/2008 22:42:19 ‹Lilith› Russ, Nice one! :D
22/07/2008 22:42:31 ‹Samwise› heh
22/07/2008 22:42:33 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, killing it is another way to cut your way out, but it's a bit unecessary, since you've won by then.
22/07/2008 22:42:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, in some cases its almost better to get swallowed than to keep getting bitten or whatever.
22/07/2008 22:42:37 ‹Mothman› Nice one Russ
22/07/2008 22:42:37 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, will monster abilities like Swallow Whole or Scent appear in the Final rules, or will those wait for the monster book?
22/07/2008 22:42:37 ‹Pygon› Dorf watched as his companion was spewed up the esophagus of the behir, leaving him to ponder if he could punch the beast gut hard enough to be so fortunate...
22/07/2008 22:42:39 ‹Russ› Face full f alien wing-wong :)
22/07/2008 22:42:42 ‹Pygon› Dorf watched as his companion was spewed up the esophagus of the behir, leaving him to ponder if he could punch the beast gut hard enough to be so fortunate...
22/07/2008 22:42:45 ‹Urza› Russ, LOL!
22/07/2008 22:42:52 ‹Ross› The whole idea of the 'cut you way out' mechanic is so you can rejoin the fight.
22/07/2008 22:42:55 ‹Wyvern› Maybe the monster has less hp from the inside. Easier to kill when you are inside than when you are outside.
22/07/2008 22:43:01 ‹Samwise› James>if you do that, wont it require a hearty retcon to the ashes adventure for CotCT? :D
22/07/2008 22:43:03 * Lazaro joins Main
22/07/2008 22:43:08 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I suspect they'll appear in the final rules, yeah.
22/07/2008 22:43:13 ‹paul on tab› Eric still working on the megadeth list
22/07/2008 22:43:16 ‹Daigle› Howdy Lazaro
22/07/2008 22:43:17 ‹Erik Mona› MM2 Monsters I wish I could use: Asperi (no foolin'), avolakia, boggle, bone naga, crimson death, malebranche, amnizu, dune stalker, weirds, famine spirit, fihyr, galeb duhr, grell, hook horror, jermlaine, kopru, meenlock, moon beast, moon calf, morkoth, myconid, needleman, rogue eidolon, spawn of kyuss, thri-kreen, marraenoloth, arcanaloth, yagnoloth.
22/07/2008 22:43:24 ‹Russ› Wyvern - I sure think rogues deserve sneak when swallowed
22/07/2008 22:43:28 ‹Erik Mona› Also: Death knight.
22/07/2008 22:43:34 ‹Mothman› If you're attacking somehting from the inside you should auto-crit
22/07/2008 22:43:36 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Probably.
22/07/2008 22:43:37 ‹Absinth› I had a game in which the players tried to cut their way inside a purple worm...lol
22/07/2008 22:43:41 ‹James Jacobs› Not too worried about that.
22/07/2008 22:43:45 ‹Lilith› moon beast/moon calf = mi-go?
22/07/2008 22:43:46 ‹Lazaro› Hey all
22/07/2008 22:43:57 ‹Lilith› Or am I misremembering my MM 2 creatures...
22/07/2008 22:43:58 ‹Russ› Speaking of, rules I just hate are only being able to use light weapons in a grapple. I think PF fixes that already, but how many times in art do we see the the guy with the big sword hacking at a tentacle wrapped around his waist?
22/07/2008 22:44:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› Erik . . . if you look at the new Galeb Duhr mini from WOTC you may never lement not using them ever again.
22/07/2008 22:44:07 ‹James Jacobs› That's a good list, Erik. I'd add the ulgurstasta to it though (but with a hefty rewrite).
22/07/2008 22:44:13 ‹Russ› I thought hook horrors had made it into Tome of Horrors?
22/07/2008 22:44:14 ‹Absinth› Hey Lazaro!
22/07/2008 22:44:20 ‹Erik Mona› Luckily, during my tenure on Dragon and Dungeon and in my freelance for WotC, I've gotten a lot of use out of the boggle, dune stalkers, kopru, meenlocks, and spawn of kyuss.
22/07/2008 22:44:22 ‹James Jacobs› Nope. No hook horrors in Tome.
22/07/2008 22:44:29 ‹Russ› I think morkoths have a myth source
22/07/2008 22:44:41 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Moonbeast/Mooncalf is different entirely from mi-go.
22/07/2008 22:45:16 ‹James Jacobs› Morkoths aren't... I don't think. The name's a corruption of the word Morlock, I believe.
22/07/2008 22:45:21 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yeah, I remembered as soon as I typed it...
22/07/2008 22:45:21 ‹Erik Mona› Some of those could be easil recreated, but I remember a conversation from about a month ago where a situation called for a crimson death, and we were at a loss to use anything else. That was unfortunate.
22/07/2008 22:45:38 ‹James Jacobs› Linnorms, though, we can salvage from the MM2.
22/07/2008 22:45:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hooray Linnorms!
22/07/2008 22:45:49 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, as has been evidenced...;)
22/07/2008 22:45:55 ‹Erik Mona› I didn't bother listing mythological creatures like sylphs and linnorms and dinosaurs.
22/07/2008 22:45:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Love linnorms . . .
22/07/2008 22:45:58 ‹Lazaro› yeah Linnorms!
22/07/2008 22:45:58 ‹Russ› I'd have to reread the book, but I recall a morkoth by a different name....though that would make it not a mythical creature
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22/07/2008 22:46:20 ‹James Jacobs› It's true. We REALLY needed a blood draining mist monster for "Crown of Fangs," but there wern't any we could find. We would have had to make a new one up, and we didn't have art so we couldn't.
22/07/2008 22:46:20 ‹Russ› You know, I think I'm thinking of meenlocks, which I vaguely recall having something akin to them in Burroughs
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22/07/2008 22:46:39 ‹James Jacobs› ERIK!
22/07/2008 22:46:39 ‹Lilith› Another good book: http://www.amazon.com/Unexplai...&sr=8-3
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22/07/2008 22:46:49 ‹James Jacobs› Dinosaurs aren't mythological! They're real!
22/07/2008 22:46:51 ‹James Jacobs› <cries>
22/07/2008 22:46:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
22/07/2008 22:46:57 ‹paul on tab› what monster 'looking at? for what?
22/07/2008 22:47:07 * Lilith gives James Jacobs his raptor icon. :raptor:
22/07/2008 22:47:22 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, is that a good or bad cry?
22/07/2008 22:47:26 ‹paul on tab› sorry still getting used to tablet writing
22/07/2008 22:47:28 ‹Russ› Humm.
22/07/2008 22:47:31 ‹Lilith› There's gotta be a mist monster out there somewheres in mythology.
22/07/2008 22:47:35 ‹James Jacobs› Bad cry. I was sad for my dinos.
22/07/2008 22:47:35 ‹Russ› Isn't there something like that in Lankhmar? :)
22/07/2008 22:47:49 ‹Russ› Yeah, I think there's a blood draining mist in Chinese folklore, Lilith
22/07/2008 22:47:55 ‹James Jacobs› There's plenty of mist monsters. But there wasn't one that was already done for us in a 3rd party book.
22/07/2008 22:48:02 ‹Ross› For the record, I didn't come up with the monster cough-you-up thing. I no longer recall from whence it was stolen, but it's not my idea. I really like it, though.
22/07/2008 22:48:07 ‹James Jacobs› We'll likely stat one up for us soon.
22/07/2008 22:48:16 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, neat! :D
22/07/2008 22:48:28 ‹Lilith› So many cool monsters from myth left to be used....
22/07/2008 22:48:42 ‹Russ› Ross - perhaps Pinnochio, or Jonah
22/07/2008 22:48:46 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik: You liked the weirds from MM2? :)
22/07/2008 22:48:47 ‹Daigle› Totally!
22/07/2008 22:48:52 ‹Urza› bah
22/07/2008 22:49:00 ‹Urza› i want a blood sucking mist monster!
22/07/2008 22:49:03 ‹James Jacobs› yeah. There's so many mythological and public domain monsters it almost seems wasteful to do a big monster book without going to that well...
22/07/2008 22:49:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› So, metephysically speaking . . . Time Travel and Alternate Golarions . . . possible or impossible by the rules of the setting?
22/07/2008 22:49:05 ‹Ross› Russ, I meant as a mechanic.
22/07/2008 22:49:30 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, YES. :headbang:
22/07/2008 22:49:34 ‹James Jacobs› The weirds from MM2 are a cool idea, but I would have rather not had them ret-con the water weird from 1st edition, and would have rather not had them be a low CR monster for the type of spellpower they had...
22/07/2008 22:49:42 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Possible.
22/07/2008 22:49:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Good to know.
22/07/2008 22:50:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› Has anyone ever dabbled in chronomancy then?
22/07/2008 22:50:18 ‹James Jacobs› Yes.
22/07/2008 22:50:27 ‹James Jacobs› Karzoug did, for sure.
22/07/2008 22:50:29 ‹Christopher Utley› As interesting a read as this is, I must be off. G'night.
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22/07/2008 22:50:40 ‹James Jacobs› Just wathc out for the Hounds of Tindalos if you do!
22/07/2008 22:50:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Christopher
22/07/2008 22:50:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
22:51:01 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik: You liked the weirds from MM2? :)
22/07/2008 22:51:03 ‹Daigle› Have a good night Christopher
22/07/2008 22:51:13 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, I can take a Hound of Tindalos. I'll time travel in a round room.
22/07/2008 22:51:36 ‹James Jacobs› That works until the hounds contact the dholes and have them shake the earth to send a big crack up into your room.
22/07/2008 22:51:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hm . . . I wonder if Professor X was afraid of them when he made Cerebro . . .
22/07/2008 22:51:47 * Zaister_ joins Main
22/07/2008 22:51:55 ‹Daigle› Howdy Zaister
22/07/2008 22:51:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nevermind, geek thought process derailment.
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22/07/2008 22:52:11 ‹Absinth› Hey Zaister
22/07/2008 22:52:19 ‹Zaister_› good morning
22/07/2008 22:52:20 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, It's okay, I think a good portion of us followed the derailment. :P
22/07/2008 22:52:25 ‹DM Charles Evans› :sleep:#
22/07/2008 22:52:40 ‹Absinth› Sure, I'm derailed as always...:D
22/07/2008 22:52:42 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... looks like Ye Chatte is winding down.
22/07/2008 22:52:49 ‹DM Charles Evans› Were their dholes in X-men?
22/07/2008 22:52:49 ‹Lilith› Legendary Creatures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...eatures
22/07/2008 22:52:50 ‹Presence› Heh
22/07/2008 22:53:05 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Not that I know of.
22/07/2008 22:53:09 ‹James Jacobs› But there could vbe.
22/07/2008 22:53:21 ‹DM Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Didi I miss any PF #4 announcements or questions for the audience in my absence?
22/07/2008 22:53:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› Who knows, with fifteen books a month coming out?
22/07/2008 22:53:43 ‹Absinth› Anyone know the book The Lies Of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch? I just read it and enjoyed it immensly...
22/07/2008 22:53:58 ‹yoda8myhead› DM Charles Evans, Erik put the kibbosh on spoilers for the night
22/07/2008 22:54:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Lockdown
22/07/2008 22:54:11 * DM Charles Evans suspercts, rather sadly that the x-men writers might not have much respect for a dhole, and would trreat it as the 'warm up' for a bigger fight.
22/07/2008 22:54:29 ‹DM Charles Evans› :(
22/07/2008 22:54:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› Charles, I'm sure the dholes would kill someone before it was over, they just wouldn't stay dead . . . :lol:
22/07/2008 22:55:08 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope; no AP4 spoilers tonight. Maybe next week.
22/07/2008 22:55:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh James
22/07/2008 22:55:33 ‹Daigle› Just wait for Erik to leave ;)
22/07/2008 22:55:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› Question: How prevelant is the Harrower PrC from the hardcover?
22/07/2008 22:55:39 ‹Russ› Aw, no invunches in that list
22/07/2008 22:55:40 * DM Charles Evans ' grammar and spelling is going to bits.
22/07/2008 22:55:45 ‹James Jacobs› What do you mean by "prevelant"?
22/07/2008 22:55:45 ‹Pygon› I guess I'll bail too. Thanks again James! Nice seeing you again Erik! Good night all.
22/07/2008 22:55:55 ‹Absinth› Night, Pygon!
22/07/2008 22:55:58 ‹Urza› speaking of monsters that need attention or didn't receive enough attention.. my DM seems to be teasing about running an Incursion themed event in our campaign :)
22/07/2008 22:55:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› i.e. is it a too strange for someone that is a PC to pick it up in the first AP?
22/07/2008 22:55:59 ‹Daigle› Have a great night Pygon
22/07/2008 22:56:12 ‹DM Charles Evans› Goodnight Erik/
22/07/2008 22:56:19 ‹Lilith› Hmmm...a daemon, perhaps? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiderigami
22/07/2008 22:56:22 ‹Pygon› thanks :)
22/07/2008 22:56:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› Thinking ahead for some of my players and what they might want to poke around into exploring Golarions options
22/07/2008 22:56:25 * Pygon quit
22/07/2008 22:56:49 * Russ recommends reading Alan Moore's run of swamp thing for some great leads to nasty mythical critters
22/07/2008 22:56:53 ‹James Jacobs› Nope. Not at all. Harrowers have been in Varisia for thousands of years. Just because we didn't do the prestige class till next month doesn't mean they're inapropriate for any AP we've already published.
22/07/2008 22:57:02 ‹Lazaro› Would love to see a Llorona or Cucuy type monster
22/07/2008 22:57:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› Cool, that's all I needed.
22/07/2008 22:57:22 ‹Absinth› James, was there a time in Golarions past, where space travel between Golarion and the planets was somehow common?
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22/07/2008 22:57:41 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yes.
22/07/2008 22:57:51 ‹Lilith› Vampirized Premature Baby. :wow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...eatures
22/07/2008 22:57:57 ‹James Jacobs› Most of the planets in the system are connected by magic portals.
22/07/2008 22:58:09 ‹James Jacobs› Those portals are, today, in remote locations and mostly not working, though.
22/07/2008 22:58:13 ‹James Jacobs› But they were built by SOMEONE.
22/07/2008 22:58:24 ‹James Jacobs› There are no portals to Arcturn, the 11th planet.
22/07/2008 22:58:35 ‹Urza› Lilith.. that's so wrong
22/07/2008 22:58:38 ‹Erik Mona› Sorry. Got sucked into a web page for a while there.
22/07/2008 22:58:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ancient Unknown Someones . . .
22/07/2008 22:58:41 ‹James Jacobs› But there are portals connecting the remaining 10 planets, and probably several of the moons.
22/07/2008 22:58:49 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, it happens. :aww:
22/07/2008 22:59:01 ‹Russ› pennangalans. Always fun.
22/07/2008 22:59:03 ‹Lazaro› Lilith, creepy
22/07/2008 22:59:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ah, pennangalans
22/07/2008 22:59:17 * DM Charles Evans joins Main
22/07/2008 22:59:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› The monster that I first became aquainted with because it made no sense for World of Krynn to make Kitiara into one . . .
22/07/2008 22:59:49 ‹DM Charles Evans› Ack. I'm timing out.
22/07/2008 22:59:51 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
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22/07/2008 23:00:14 ‹James Jacobs› That Lord Soth castle was GREAT... as a castle crawl. Not so much as Lord Soth's official castle.
22/07/2008 23:00:23 ‹James Jacobs› Wasnt' the Tarrasque in there?
22/07/2008 23:00:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› Then again, that was the same module that said Soth had a Tarrasque as a bet in his basement . . .
22/07/2008 23:00:25 ‹Absinth› Okay, so no space travel with things like the wreck from Numeria?
22/07/2008 23:00:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› heh
22/07/2008 23:00:30 ‹Russ› Probably.
22/07/2008 23:00:32 ‹James Jacobs› HA
22/07/2008 23:00:39 ‹Zaister_› what adventure was that?
22/07/2008 23:00:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› pet that is
22/07/2008 23:00:56 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Not yet. But that's mostly because we haven't done much in Numeria yet.
22/07/2008 23:01:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› The Dargaard Keep adventure in the World of Krynn anthology.
22/07/2008 23:01:06 ‹Russ› But no reference to the tarrasque can ever beat that in H4, Throne of Bloodstone. Boxed text consisting of "You see a large horned creature. It lowers its head and charges"
22/07/2008 23:01:13 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: And of course everyone has by now LONG forgotten just why the 11th planet was deliberately left out of the network? :D
22/07/2008 23:01:13 ‹James Jacobs› I'm sure there's a spaceship hidden in there somewhere that still flies.
22/07/2008 23:01:14 ‹Zaister_› ah
22/07/2008 23:01:14 ‹Urza› Lord Soth had a pet Tarrasque???? did he train it to play fetch?
22/07/2008 23:01:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
22/07/2008 23:01:20 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> That was in deed a good one.
22/07/2008 23:01:23 * Lilith has a new devil she wants to write up...:(
22/07/2008 23:01:39 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Either they forgot, or more likely, never knew in the first place.
22/07/2008 23:01:42 ‹Daigle› Why :(
22/07/2008 23:01:44 ‹James Jacobs› More of the second.
22/07/2008 23:02:06 ‹Russ› There's TWO spaceships in Greyhak. Possibly three.
22/07/2008 23:02:11 ‹Lazaro› Here Tarrasque, roll over, play dead. Throws a treat
23:02:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Zaister_, old 1st edition anthology, just to clarify
22/07/2008 23:02:33 ‹James Jacobs› That means we need 3 in Golarion. Possibly 4. To keep up with the cool.
22/07/2008 23:02:42 ‹Erik Mona› The ship crashed in Numeria is a capital ship, in many fragments separated by miles.
22/07/2008 23:02:45 ‹Zaister_› yeah I know
22/07/2008 23:02:51 ‹Russ› (assuming you bleive the silver cairn is a spaceship)
22/07/2008 23:03:03 ‹Erik Mona› It is no longer capable of flight, and parts of it have been salvaged completely. It is a ruin. Several ruins, in fact.
22/07/2008 23:03:04 ‹Urza› Lazaro, how do you manage to "throw" a cow... because anything small wouldn't be a treat :)
22/07/2008 23:03:06 ‹Russ› I'd like to think the silver cairn is the command module from the barrier peaks ship :)
22/07/2008 23:03:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› I see captial ship and immediately I think of Star Destroyers . . .
22/07/2008 23:03:20 ‹DM Charles Evans› James jacobs: Unless Someone had put the portal network in before the 11th planet was there (in which case someone would have noticed that a planet had suddenly appeared since), at least the people who put the portal network IN in the first place would have an idea of why they left the 11th planet alone.
22/07/2008 23:03:29 ‹Absinth› Okay, so there once was a time, where space travel between certain planets (not Golarion) was common?
22/07/2008 23:03:43 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, woot! :)
22/07/2008 23:03:52 ‹Urza› Star Destroyers in Pathfinder!
22/07/2008 23:03:55 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yup. And by that logic, it would seem to indicate that the 11th planet showed up after the portals were built! Exactly.
22/07/2008 23:03:58 ‹DM Charles Evans› james Jacobs: And I hate those *someone cast a really big spell to erase knowledge* fudges.
22/07/2008 23:04:03 ‹yoda8myhead› James, can you list the 11 planets?
22/07/2008 23:04:07 ‹Samwise› Stargate PF-1
22/07/2008 23:04:10 ‹James Jacobs› And those portals were probably built hundreds of thousands of years ago.
22/07/2008 23:04:19 ‹Urza› I got dibs on the first Pathfinder Deathstar :)
22/07/2008 23:04:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› DM Charles Evans, especially when they are used to kill off a god . . .
22/07/2008 23:04:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› nevermind
22/07/2008 23:04:30 ‹Lilith› Hey, Qlippoth! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qliphoth
22/07/2008 23:04:39 ‹Russ› DM - though I really like the pharoah's runes that erase you if you read too many of them :)
22/07/2008 23:04:42 ‹James Jacobs› Space travel is common to some of the solar system's denizens. Space travel in ships is not at all common.
22/07/2008 23:05:00 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I don't have all the names memorized yet. I'll do a blog about it in a few weeks, perhaps.
22/07/2008 23:05:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . for some reason I'd love to see soemthing akin to the Maw Facility . . . hidden fortress of evil super science!
22/07/2008 23:05:23 ‹Absinth› Okay, so a wreck like the one in Numeria would be kinda obscure on all of the planets?
22/07/2008 23:05:25 ‹Lazaro› Urza with a Cow-a-pult of course http://www.unspecific.com/wp-c...3lg.jpg
22/07/2008 23:05:38 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> But anyway, more to the point, the builders of the portals are gone and/or dead. As are those who knew them. As are those who read about them.
22/07/2008 23:05:40 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, perhaps in a few years the 11th planet can be delisted to a planetoid and Golarion will only have 10 planets? :)
22/07/2008 23:05:41 ‹Absinth› Could it be, that it came from beyond the solar system?
22/07/2008 23:05:45 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: So everyone would (at some point ) have theoretically known that the planet appeared after the portal network was already completed?
22/07/2008 23:05:51 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Nice.
22/07/2008 23:06:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
22/07/2008 23:06:04 ‹Urza› take that wotc! that's what i call retconing a universe! :)
22/07/2008 23:06:09 ‹Absinth› Urza, great! :D
22/07/2008 23:06:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nice one Urza
22/07/2008 23:06:22 ‹Ross› Ok. It's 2 am here in EST. Time for bed.
22/07/2008 23:06:25 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Absolutely. The Numeria wreck came from far beyond Golarion's solar system.
22/07/2008 23:06:27 ‹Ross› Everyone have fun.
22/07/2008 23:06:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Ross
22/07/2008 23:06:37 * mortellan joins Main
22/07/2008 23:06:42 * Ross quit
22/07/2008 23:06:52 ‹DM Charles Evans› At some point someone would have thought @oooh, a new planet has appeared', and then 'I'll bet that means the portal network doesn't connect to it'. Maybe only one crazy sage in history, but someone would have thought it and possibly even written it down somewhere.
22/07/2008 23:06:57 ‹Wyvern› mort!
22/07/2008 23:07:14 ‹Lilith› mortellan! :glomp:
22/07/2008 23:07:17 ‹Erik Mona› Star destroyer is the correct scale for the Numerian ship, btw.
22/07/2008 23:07:17 ‹yoda8myhead› DM Charles Evans, apparently not
22/07/2008 23:07:27 ‹DM Charles Evans› Hmm. Wasn't there an extra moon which Earth acquired in th film 'The fifth element' (sorry for mentioning it.
22/07/2008 23:07:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gigity~
22/07/2008 23:07:29 * Russ wants to explore that wreck
22/07/2008 23:07:30 ‹DM Charles Evans› )
22/07/2008 23:07:37 ‹Absinth› Where all of the portals created by the same mysterious...uhhh...creators?
22/07/2008 23:07:44 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Not many people on Golarion know about the portals. Also: The 11th planet COULD have been th ere when the portal builders were doing their thing, but they may have had a GOOD REASON not to build portals to the 11th one. Or they did, but they were destroyed.
22/07/2008 23:07:58 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> Love the idea of the command module. Very appropriate. Nitescreed mentioned Castle Blackmoor, which I thought was appropriate (even though I hadn't thought of it).
22/07/2008 23:08:00 ‹mortellan› hey all
22/07/2008 23:08:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› :cthulhu:
22/07/2008 23:08:05 ‹Russ› DM - yep. But it was a lot closer than the 1st moon. And it was implied that was how we got moon 31 :)
22/07/2008 23:08:17 ‹Urza› Erik Mona, 1.6km long FTW!
22/07/2008 23:08:19 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: You mean you're still making your mind up on the exact details of history?
22/07/2008 23:08:43 ‹James Jacobs› But knowledge about what's on the other planets is by no means common knowledge to the people of Golarion. Knowledge of portals connecting them is even more obscure.
22/07/2008 23:08:45 ‹Wyvern› And for some heresy, I had the idea of some ancient portals already for my Greyhawk game (created by the Vaati). Golarion then becomes one more of their planets. And Rhenfolk are actually Varisians. [end of heresy]
22/07/2008 23:08:50 * Urza can't believe he remembers the length of a Star Destroyer still
22/07/2008 23:09:03 ‹Russ› CE - the joy of game design is that you can change it if it isn't written :)
22/07/2008 23:09:08 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> A little bit of that, yeah. Also, we're keeping some of that stuff open for now to inspire future stories.
22/07/2008 23:09:12 ‹mortellan› that is pretty scandalous Wyv!
22/07/2008 23:09:34 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Given Karzoug was into portals (or at least Leng devices:D) would he have had a knowledge of portals?
22/07/2008 23:09:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› As long as its a Imp Star II and not a Victory class . . .
22/07/2008 23:09:45 ‹Erik Mona› The Numerian ship is not from Golarion's star. It is from a star system of advanced technology and immeasurable, inscrutable intelligence.
22/07/2008 23:09:46 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah. Once you make decisions... you close off future plots. We try to not detail EVERYTHING when we introduce new stuff, but leave lots of possible explanations rather than just one.
22/07/2008 23:10:02 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, pshh.. one of those fancy new Republic-class :)
22/07/2008 23:10:04 ‹Wyvern› mort, dude, it's ready! Are you going to be online tomorrow night?
22/07/2008 23:10:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› heh
22/07/2008 23:10:17 ‹mortellan› wyv>yah
22/07/2008 23:10:33 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I don't know. Probably not. If the Thassilonians knew about interplanatery portals, they would have just relocated to another planet, elf-style, to avoid the fate that struck Thassilon rather than opting for the hibernation route.
22/07/2008 23:11:02 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: For all that we know, though some of the Runelords *DID* relocate. :D
22/07/2008 23:11:05 * Urza wonders what they're doing to do now that Legacy of the Force is over
22/07/2008 23:11:08 ‹James Jacobs› At the very best... portal technology was something that the runelords were just starting to tinker with when the end came.
22/07/2008 23:11:25 ‹Urza› oh! did everyone hear that EA confirmed that Bioware is working on a Knights of the Old Republic MMO
22/07/2008 23:11:31 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I can guarentee you that none of the runelords relocated. They, or their legacies, remain on Golarion.
22/07/2008 23:11:42 ‹Wyvern› What era Urza?
22/07/2008 23:11:50 ‹Wyvern› Ah Old Republic
22/07/2008 23:12:08 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs/Erik Mona. Thank-you, anyway. I have to go now. :sleep:
22/07/2008 23:12:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night charles
22/07/2008 23:12:17 ‹DM Charles Evans› :cthulhu:
22/07/2008 23:12:18 ‹Urza› really old republic wyvern.. like 10000 before the Battle of Yavin :)
22/07/2008 23:12:22 ‹Erik Mona› I support the theory that Thassilon knew of the portals, which were mostly under elven or Azlanti control at the time. The Mordant Spire elves exist in part to guard the ruins of the Azlanti portals and associated eldritchcraft.
22/07/2008 23:12:50 * DM Charles Evans wanders off plotting interesting things....
22/07/2008 23:12:52 ‹Wyvern› Before Revan and Malak?
22/07/2008 23:12:54 ‹James Jacobs› There's also some portal-related stuff about Thassilon that I'm not QUITE ready to reveal yet.
22/07/2008 23:13:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, knowing about them wouldn't preclude the fact that they couldn't make them themselves.
22/07/2008 23:13:07 ‹James Jacobs› Since it's tied into Second Darkness.
22/07/2008 23:13:08 ‹Absinth› Wait, the elves relocated to another planet during/before the age of darkness? I thought, they'd gone to another plane...
22/07/2008 23:13:11 ‹DM Charles Evans› Thanks. Goodnight.
22/07/2008 23:13:13 * DM Charles Evans quit
22/07/2008 23:13:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, cool.
22/07/2008 23:13:35 ‹James Jacobs› The elves relocated. To another planet, plane, continent, or dimension. I'm not sure we've nailed down the nature of Sovyrian yet,.
22/07/2008 23:13:49 ‹Sothal@work› KnightErrantJR, like using and making Stargates...
22/07/2008 23:13:53 ‹Lilith› Green Planet! :D
22/07/2008 23:14:01 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect it's a planet though. One outside of the solar system.
22/07/2008 23:14:13 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, how about a continent on a different planet's dimensional plane? :)
23:14:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, that did kind of occur to me . . . ;-)
22/07/2008 23:14:20 ‹James Jacobs› Heh... there's other stuff going on on the Green Planet. It's not a friendly place for elves, necessarilly...
22/07/2008 23:14:31 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> That's certainly possible.
22/07/2008 23:14:53 * mortellan boggles
22/07/2008 23:14:59 ‹Zaister_› is the Age of Darkness the "First Dankness"?
22/07/2008 23:15:03 ‹Rathendar› heh, i'm back, and all cought up back-readuing. yeesh you're a buncha chatterboxes tonight!
22/07/2008 23:15:07 ‹James Jacobs› Zaister> It is.
22/07/2008 23:15:15 ‹Urza› not only do they leave the planet, but they go to a different dimension and then to one of it's plane's.. how's that for crazy hiding skills :)
22/07/2008 23:15:23 ‹yoda8myhead› So does Sean come to you Golarion experts continually now asking for details since he's now in the Inner Circle?
22/07/2008 23:15:41 ‹ollibolli› perhaps something is chasing them?
22/07/2008 23:16:16 ‹Urza› yay... and it's name is ollibolli :)
22/07/2008 23:16:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› The elves and the Azlanti didn't share their DHD's . . .
22/07/2008 23:16:26 ‹ollibolli› muhahaha
22/07/2008 23:16:45 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, :rofl:
22/07/2008 23:16:48 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Sean's actaully been a part of the process since the start. He has some questions, sure, but not a lot; he really did well hitting the ground running.
22/07/2008 23:16:53 ‹ollibolli› they'll never escape me
22/07/2008 23:17:03 ‹James Jacobs› The elves and Azlanti had a ... complex relationship.
22/07/2008 23:17:05 ‹Absinth› Is there a difference between dimensions and planes?! I thought it's quite the same with the only difference being planes and demi-planes.
22/07/2008 23:17:22 * Urza was really disappointed with the first two episodes of Stargate Atlantis's new season
22/07/2008 23:17:35 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I'm not sure yet. I think so, though.
22/07/2008 23:17:35 ‹Absinth› Ollibolli, you're mad as hell...:)
22/07/2008 23:17:36 ‹Erik Mona› I think a dimension is different than a plane, though I defer to James on this issue.
22/07/2008 23:17:46 ‹KnightErrantJR› I always pictured planes as kind of being "up and down" versus dimensions being "side to side" if that makes any sense
22/07/2008 23:17:49 ‹Rathendar› ok, correct me if i am wrong here. asmodeus is a full diety in part because he's keeping something locked away right? if that is true, is there some reason 'he' had to do it and none of the actual dieties were able to?
22/07/2008 23:18:02 ‹Russ› Absinth - I would say yes. A dimension is more akin to a transitive plane like the ethereal, in that I would say it touches all over.
22/07/2008 23:18:28 ‹James Jacobs› Erik> I kind of agree. A plane is a world. A dimension is a "state of being." I think. They are different, though.
22/07/2008 23:18:33 ‹Urza› Rathendar, probably because he set it loose and used the threat of it to elevate himself... he's evil like that :)
22/07/2008 23:19:00 ‹Absinth› Please, don't make it tooo complex! I think planes & planets should be enough for variety.
22/07/2008 23:19:08 ‹mortellan› then it should be the ethereal dimension or the astral dimension, etc
22/07/2008 23:19:10 ‹James Jacobs› Rahtendar> Asmodeus is a full deity because he's bad-ass. He's always been a Full Deity in the Golarion canon.
22/07/2008 23:19:28 ‹Rathendar› kk, i can live with bad assery
22/07/2008 23:19:30 ‹James Jacobs› That Asmodeus helped Sarenrae defeat Rovagug is merely one part of his legend in the world.
22/07/2008 23:19:47 ‹Urza› only in 4e did he become a diety for no reason :)
22/07/2008 23:19:49 ‹James Jacobs› We'll be revealing more about his role in that event in AP4, probably...
22/07/2008 23:20:02 * Cd Working quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 23:20:04 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yeah... the ethereal is very close to a dimension, I think.
22/07/2008 23:20:09 ‹Absinth› Russ, I agree with you, but a transitive plane is still a plane and not something entirely different like Erik & James implied it could be...
22/07/2008 23:20:18 ‹Russ› Shadow's the one I think would be a diimension of the three transitive planes
22/07/2008 23:20:26 * Presence quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 23:20:44 ‹mortellan› i agree on shadow, because it overlaps the prime
22/07/2008 23:21:06 ‹Absinth› Okay, if you are just using dimension as a "new" word for a transitive plane, than that's okay with me. :)
22/07/2008 23:21:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Can you still reach other prime material planes by wandering into the deeper parts of the Plane of Shadows?
22/07/2008 23:21:21 ‹mortellan› then there are extra-dimensional spaces...
22/07/2008 23:21:26 ‹Russ› But I always think of out of phase and vibrational frequencies when I think of dimensions :) And Buckaroo Banzai of coruse
22/07/2008 23:21:30 ‹James Jacobs› In Golarion, the Shadow Plane is a lot more like it's own thing. It's a "copy" of the material plane, but it's like 7 times smaller. Which is how the shadow walk spell does its thing.
22/07/2008 23:21:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Not saying those primes would be spelled out per se.
22/07/2008 23:21:48 ‹Zaister_› the shadoe is supposed to to coterminous with the prime
22/07/2008 23:21:55 ‹Russ› James - do businesses relocate there for the low overhead?
22/07/2008 23:22:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› So its kind of like Hyperspace?
22/07/2008 23:22:07 ‹Russ› Zaister - you can be coterminus and still 7 times smaller :)
22/07/2008 23:22:14 ‹Zaister_› true
22/07/2008 23:22:15 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that dumping the terminology "transitive plane" and using "dimension" instead is probably pretty close to what we'll end up doing, actually.
22/07/2008 23:22:37 ‹Russ› More like Hypospace?
22/07/2008 23:22:50 ‹Russ› (watch out for those used needles)
22/07/2008 23:22:52 ‹Zaister_› Hypospace hehe
22/07/2008 23:23:00 ‹Zaister_› doesn't sound all that useful :)
22/07/2008 23:23:12 ‹Russ› Sub-space gets used in a lot of scifi
22/07/2008 23:23:19 ‹Wyvern› Ok, time for me to go to another dimension and reach a plane in an extra-dimensional space, warp 5. See you guys later.
22/07/2008 23:23:26 ‹Mothman› Will the Shadow Plane have native life?
22/07/2008 23:23:28 ‹Wyvern› mort I'll see you tomorrow!
22/07/2008 23:23:30 ‹Daigle› Later Wyvern
22/07/2008 23:23:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night +Wyvern
22/07/2008 23:23:42 ‹Mothman› Bye Wyvern
23:23:51 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position› Night Wyvern
22/07/2008 23:23:57 * Blazej in the Fetal Position changes his/her nickname to Blazej
22/07/2008 23:24:01 ‹ollibolli› in another dimension
22/07/2008 23:24:02 ‹Zaister_› Shadows, I'd guess :)
22/07/2008 23:24:08 ‹ollibolli› with voyeuristic intention,
22/07/2008 23:24:12 ‹ollibolli› well secluded
22/07/2008 23:24:13 ‹Russ› Shadow shouldn;t be able to take you any place brightly lit. Paranoid wizards filling their sleeping rooms with continual flames at all possible angles.
22/07/2008 23:24:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› Don't forget the evil squirels.
22/07/2008 23:24:17 ‹yoda8myhead› Mothman, I think Zon Kuthon's city is there
22/07/2008 23:24:19 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yes it does. Umbral dragons, for one, are from the Shadow Plane.
22/07/2008 23:24:19 ‹ollibolli› we see all
22/07/2008 23:24:22 ‹Russ› (thereby attracting the hounds...)
22/07/2008 23:24:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Umbral Dragons? I love you James . . .
22/07/2008 23:24:51 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 23:24:53 ‹Mothman› James: Oh yeah - I havent read the bestiary of PF11 yet, but I liked the pic of the Umbral Dragon!
22/07/2008 23:25:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› In a manly, admiring, customer to designer kind of way . . .
22/07/2008 23:25:04 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; the umbral dragon turned out pretty neat.
22/07/2008 23:25:21 ‹James Jacobs› I'll take any kind of love there is, Knight!
22/07/2008 23:25:32 ‹Absinth› Bye Wyvern.
22/07/2008 23:25:34 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :lol:
22/07/2008 23:25:39 ‹yoda8myhead› Was the umbral dragon a Vaughan design?
22/07/2008 23:25:51 ‹Russ› You guys seem to get a lot of love
22/07/2008 23:25:51 ‹Mothman› I don't think my two year old liked it though .. he said it was a "naughty monster"
22/07/2008 23:25:58 ‹Urza› careful there James... you might end up with some scarey fanboy with a mancrush following you home one day
22/07/2008 23:26:03 ‹Russ› Speaking of game designers and love, wow, that West End guy let the bile flow today
22/07/2008 23:26:04 ‹Zaister_› lol
22/07/2008 23:26:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› General geek question: Any desire to see X-Files after all this time?
22/07/2008 23:26:43 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, where's that?
22/07/2008 23:26:47 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, Not particularly...
22/07/2008 23:26:54 ‹yoda8myhead› KnightErrantJR, most certainly yes
22/07/2008 23:26:57 ‹mortellan› Knight> here!
22/07/2008 23:26:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm having a hard time generating any interest
22/07/2008 23:27:12 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, X.. what? i didn't even know they were making a movie until i saw the trailer before The Happening :)
22/07/2008 23:27:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› And I used to love the show
22/07/2008 23:27:17 ‹ollibolli› knight: certainly
22/07/2008 23:27:23 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yup. Vaughan originally wanted a shadow dragon in there, but since that one's not open (another casualty of Monsters of Faerun), he originally had a black dragon with the tenebrous template from Tome of Horrors 3. That didnt' quite make the monster he wanted, so I told him to just make up a new dragon. Which he did!
22/07/2008 23:27:24 ‹Mothman› KEJR: yeah, but I'll probably wait till its on dvd
22/07/2008 23:27:43 ‹Mothman› that's more because I don't generally see things at the cinema though
22/07/2008 23:28:05 ‹Urza› btw... Dark Knight... sooooooooooooooooooo good
22/07/2008 23:28:09 ‹James Jacobs› I am VERY LIKELY to see the X-files movie tomorrow. I nabbed the preview tickets that showed up at Paizo...
22/07/2008 23:28:13 ‹Samwise› ack
22/07/2008 23:28:17 ‹Samwise› sleepy time for me
22/07/2008 23:28:21 ‹Samwise› catch yall next week
22/07/2008 23:28:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, you forgot, anything even remotely related to shadows got annexed by FR in 3rd edition.
22/07/2008 23:28:26 ‹mortellan› nite sam
22/07/2008 23:28:27 ‹Daigle› Later Sam
22/07/2008 23:28:28 ‹Urza› wanna see a magic trick? i'll make this pencil disappear... WHAM!
22/07/2008 23:28:29 ‹Zaister_› damn I habe to wait 5 more weeks for Dark Knight to start here :(
22/07/2008 23:28:46 ‹Mothman› Bye Sam
22/07/2008 23:28:49 ‹Zaister_› have
22/07/2008 23:28:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› My daughter went to see it tonight . . . I'm not on deck to see it until Friday.
22/07/2008 23:28:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Sam
22/07/2008 23:29:18 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, ugh! you gotta go :)
22/07/2008 23:29:25 ‹ollibolli› gn8 sam
22/07/2008 23:29:48 ‹James Jacobs› OMG! That pencil trick was incredible.
22/07/2008 23:29:48 * Samwise quit (timeout)
23:29:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, I know . . . I'm actually pretty curious to clean my palette of the Tommy Lee Jones Two Face more so than anything else.
22/07/2008 23:30:02 ‹Mothman› James, since they're Paizo's preview tickets, does that mean you need to take someone from the office? Hot date with Jason or anything?
22/07/2008 23:30:11 ‹Lilith› No Dark Knight spoilarz! :ohnoes:
22/07/2008 23:30:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› Two Face was always one of my favorite Batman villains.
22/07/2008 23:30:16 ‹Lilith› La la la la lal alalalalalalalla!
22/07/2008 23:30:27 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, people in my threater stood up and started applauding
22/07/2008 23:30:30 ‹James Jacobs› Jason did express interest. But I'll turn him down if he's not done with the adventure.
22/07/2008 23:30:37 ‹Zaister_› hehe
22/07/2008 23:30:40 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Burn! :P
22/07/2008 23:30:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› heh
22/07/2008 23:30:54 ‹Urza› whoops.. misclick.. that was meant for James.. people applauded at the pencil trick
22/07/2008 23:31:04 ‹ollibolli› he is very quite on his iuztheevil livejournal
22/07/2008 23:31:16 ‹Lilith› ollibolli, too busy :typerhappy:
22/07/2008 23:31:27 ‹James Jacobs› Hopefully that means he's working on his late-ass adventure then...
22/07/2008 23:31:43 ‹yoda8myhead› he's not here tonight, so that's a good sign
22/07/2008 23:31:43 ‹Urza› lol
22/07/2008 23:31:46 ‹ollibolli› and not painting any minis
22/07/2008 23:31:53 ‹Urza› "sounds like someone needs to get whipped"
22/07/2008 23:31:54 ‹Urza› :)
22/07/2008 23:31:57 ‹James Jacobs› I have prepped my HAMMER for the event that, when I arrive at work on Thursday morning, the adventure is not in my in box.
22/07/2008 23:32:06 ‹Absinth› and not plotting plans for world domination
22/07/2008 23:32:13 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I expect to see the nerf assassination video. :)
22/07/2008 23:32:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› My daughter didn't beleive me when I told her about the incident with Christian Bale in London.
22/07/2008 23:32:25 ‹Daigle› Please Hammer, don't hurt 'em.
22/07/2008 23:32:27 ‹Zaister_› hehe
22/07/2008 23:32:31 ‹ollibolli› well, that's 36 hours from now, isnt't it?
22/07/2008 23:32:33 ‹Zaister_› Batman in Jail!
22/07/2008 23:32:36 ‹Absinth› Daigle, lol
22/07/2008 23:33:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Already hearing the "Batman franchise is cursed" mantra being chanted.
22/07/2008 23:33:18 * Daigle is terribly sorry about that.
22/07/2008 23:33:21 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, what'd he do anyway?
22/07/2008 23:33:22 ‹Absinth› James, are you referring to a paintball Hammer?
22/07/2008 23:33:27 ‹Mothman› Bale on Bail?
22/07/2008 23:33:31 ‹ollibolli› did you write MC on your HAMMER, James?
22/07/2008 23:33:40 ‹Mothman› Assault and BATtary?
22/07/2008 23:33:44 ‹Absinth› Lol @ bolliolli
22/07/2008 23:33:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› Allegedly physically abused his mother and sister. No idea what's really going on one way or another.
22/07/2008 23:33:55 ‹James Jacobs› No. I'm referring to the HAMMER OF EDITORIAL WRATH. Which knocks people onto the BLACK LIST.
22/07/2008 23:33:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› I.e. pushing them around.
22/07/2008 23:33:57 ‹Zaister_› olli: whats in 36 hours?
22/07/2008 23:34:03 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnn!
22/07/2008 23:34:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Not like "long term" abuse.
22/07/2008 23:34:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey, is the Hammer of Editorial Wrath an artifact?
22/07/2008 23:34:19 ‹Daigle› Yes, but does it have big pants?
22/07/2008 23:34:23 ‹Mothman› James: What adventure is Jason writing?
22/07/2008 23:34:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› And do you need gloves and a belt to use it?
22/07/2008 23:34:33 ‹ollibolli› jason bulmahn's now it's really due date for his late adventure
22/07/2008 23:34:35 ‹ollibolli› PF 15
22/07/2008 23:34:43 ‹Zaister_› ah ok
22/07/2008 23:34:50 ‹Absinth› Ohh, the infamous Black List. I guess it got mentioned here before. But, doesn't Jason too have a list of some sort?!
22/07/2008 23:35:22 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> "The Armageddon Echo," in Pathfinder 15.
22/07/2008 23:35:23 ‹Urza› oh
22/07/2008 23:35:27 ‹Urza› yeah
22/07/2008 23:35:29 ‹Absinth› I'm working with mentally disordered people and they all keep lists btw...:)
22/07/2008 23:35:39 ‹James Jacobs› My list trumps Jason's list, is the thing.
22/07/2008 23:35:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› I keep lists . . hey
22/07/2008 23:35:47 ‹Urza› Christian Bale is JOHN-Fing-CONNOR for those that haven't heard :)
22/07/2008 23:36:13 ‹Absinth› Yesterday a client showed me an eight-page list of adresses of people she assumes to be vampires
22/07/2008 23:36:24 ‹ollibolli› Nick's also been awfully quiet the last weeks, Clark's (NEcromancer) been silent for nearly 4 weeks now
22/07/2008 23:36:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› The vampires got them
22/07/2008 23:36:48 ‹Erik Mona› I never manage to finagle any of those free tickets anymore, James. The last one I got was Borat.
22/07/2008 23:36:50 ‹Absinth› Silence is the new loud, Olli
22/07/2008 23:36:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, I had a list like that once, but it was just people that sucked.
22/07/2008 23:36:54 ‹ollibolli› the "busy virus" is going 'round
22/07/2008 23:37:06 ‹Daigle› yoda didn't include enough garlic on the pizzas.
22/07/2008 23:37:11 ‹Lilith› ollibolli, gotta make convention season!
22/07/2008 23:37:14 ‹mortellan› i need that disease, i cant get crap done
22/07/2008 23:37:16 ‹Mothman› Ah, Borat....
22/07/2008 23:37:19 * Lazaro quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 23:37:20 ‹James Jacobs› Seeing game designers go silent in the month or two before Gen Con is far from unusual, remember...
22/07/2008 23:37:34 ‹Zaister_› yeah Clark's silence is weird
22/07/2008 23:37:34 ‹Blazej› The calm before the storm.
22/07/2008 23:37:50 ‹Urza› maybe WOTC took out a hit on Clark..
22/07/2008 23:37:51 * Absinth quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 23:37:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Seeing them talking too much usually means they are about to apologize for not getting product X out by Gen Con . . .
22/07/2008 23:38:08 ‹ollibolli› you're date was 13th of June to get all things out for GenCon
22/07/2008 23:38:15 ‹Lilith› Urza, doubtful...but I imagine Clark has minions on loan from Orcus. :)
22/07/2008 23:38:18 ‹yoda8myhead› Urza, WotC took a hit out on D&D
22/07/2008 23:38:27 ‹ollibolli› successfully
22/07/2008 23:38:31 * Zaister quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 23:38:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› In mother Russia, D&D hits on you . . .
22/07/2008 23:38:52 ‹ollibolli› many of my groups are now playing 4e... (in other groups)
22/07/2008 23:39:00 ‹yoda8myhead› no KEJ, just no
22/07/2008 23:39:03 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, as long as it was Seoni, I imagine people would be okay with that. :P
22/07/2008 23:39:04 ‹Urza› Lilith, you never know... his Pathfinder Tome of Horror could have struck the wrong never...
22/07/2008 23:39:09 ‹Mothman› Not really ... they missed PF
22/07/2008 23:39:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
22/07/2008 23:39:14 ‹Lilith› Urza, true. :)
22/07/2008 23:39:37 ‹Urza› nerve
22/07/2008 23:39:42 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: What's on the editor's table right now.
22/07/2008 23:39:45 ‹James Jacobs› Or the right nerve.
22/07/2008 23:39:52 ‹Lilith› Shiny new art?
22/07/2008 23:39:56 * Zaister quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 23:39:57 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> A big hammer with Jason's name on it.
22/07/2008 23:40:07 ‹Lilith› How is Mr Prescott working out as cover artist?
22/07/2008 23:40:08 ‹Daigle› :lol:
22/07/2008 23:40:16 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :headbang:
22/07/2008 23:40:30 ‹James Jacobs› OH! We did get the final painting in for Gods & Magic from Wayne, and his sketch for the cover to Into the Darklands. And Steve's doing GREAT with the covers.
22/07/2008 23:40:31 ‹Erik Mona› I love Prescott's covers.
22/07/2008 23:40:40 * mortellan quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 23:40:46 ‹James Jacobs› Just got in Steve's drow matron sketch for PF 16.
22/07/2008 23:40:50 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Sweet!
22/07/2008 23:40:53 ‹Rathendar› i look forward to teh art as much as the fluff in products ;)
22/07/2008 23:40:55 ‹Mothman› The Second Darkness covers we've seen so far are AWESOME
22/07/2008 23:41:06 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, I'm liking them as well. A nice change of pace from WAR.
22/07/2008 23:41:09 ‹Russ› James - carrot and stick, a keg of beer and a hammer?
22/07/2008 23:41:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, Lilith, if you ever feel the urge, a "director's cut" of the Rakshasha crime lord's harem would be great . . . :twisted:
22/07/2008 23:41:30 ‹James Jacobs› Art is awesome. Fans who ask for "less art, more words" get filed under NUTBALL.
22/07/2008 23:41:30 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, HAH!
22/07/2008 23:41:43 ‹Absinth› I really like Dutraits cover for the SD PG...
22/07/2008 23:41:51 ‹yoda8myhead› WAR was great for the iconics, but I sort of like Steve's stuff better
22/07/2008 23:41:52 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, art really rounds out the whole fantastic vision. :)
22/07/2008 23:41:56 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, lol
22/07/2008 23:42:06 ‹Russ› Yoda - I read about the West end Games thing on the Paizo boards
22/07/2008 23:42:09 ‹Absinth› Any chance he'll get to draw more covers, maybe even for a whole AP?
22/07/2008 23:42:11 ‹yoda8myhead› Wayne can be a little over the top, which works for iconics, but not NPCs
22/07/2008 23:42:12 ‹Lilith› And Ben Wooten is awesome too. And Eva Widermann
22/07/2008 23:42:14 ‹Urza› now there's a tag for the forums... Nutball :)
22/07/2008 23:42:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Artwork has always been a big part of the feel of D&D
22/07/2008 23:42:31 ‹ollibolli› a picture is more thana thousand words... wotc adventures only has maps now...
22/07/2008 23:42:31 ‹Urza› you should suggest that to Gary... Sab needs a new forum tag :)
22/07/2008 23:42:42 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, very true. I had a dream to have my artwork on the cover of Dragon or Dungeon...:cry:
22/07/2008 23:42:54 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I suppose so! That's more up to Sarah though.
22/07/2008 23:43:22 ‹Urza› Lilith, I have two words for you..
22/07/2008 23:43:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› There are so many places where my vision of that area, or person, or what have you, has been colored by the art of the product.
22/07/2008 23:43:23 ‹Absinth› So, Sarah decides who gets the job for the AP covers?
22/07/2008 23:43:27 ‹Urza› KOBOLD QUARTERLY
22/07/2008 23:43:28 ‹James Jacobs› She does.
22/07/2008 23:43:35 ‹Lilith› Urza, :aww: :)
22/07/2008 23:43:40 ‹Absinth› Wow...
22/07/2008 23:44:01 ‹James Jacobs› And pretty much ALL of how Pathfinder looks.
22/07/2008 23:44:08 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, THE POWER! :wow: :D
22/07/2008 23:44:25 ‹Lilith› Sarah's done a fantastic job at defining the style for Pathfinder. Well done and kudos for her.
22/07/2008 23:44:26 ‹James Jacobs› She's super awesome. And one of the main reasons Pathfinder's so successful.
22/07/2008 23:44:28 ‹Absinth› She's doing a great job! Lots of kudos to her!
22/07/2008 23:44:33 ‹ollibolli› she really does an AWESOME job
22/07/2008 23:44:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› When I think of my favorite times of the Realms, I think of the paintings of Alias and Dragonbait, and the pictures in the sidebars of the DM's book of the Old Grey Boxed Set.
22/07/2008 23:44:52 ‹ollibolli› the LOOK of Pathfinder is a geat selling point
22/07/2008 23:44:54 ‹James Jacobs› She'll be at Gen Con this year! Stop by and let her know! She likes beer and Hello Kitty and snow leopards.
22/07/2008 23:44:56 ‹Mothman› Yeah, the look of the Pathfinder products is amazing
22/07/2008 23:44:59 ‹Urza› wow.. that means Sarah's got some big nods from the Ennies
22/07/2008 23:45:08 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, AWESOME! I'll have to get some cookies for her. :)
22/07/2008 23:45:14 ‹Absinth› Did she work in the RPG industry before she joined Paizo?
22/07/2008 23:45:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› I've said it before, but yeah, Pathfinder has an amazingly consistent feel due to the art.
22/07/2008 23:45:29 ‹Urza› Lilith, Hello Kitty cookies :)
22/07/2008 23:45:31 ‹James Jacobs› She worked at Nintendo before, I believe. She did a lot of game guides for them.
22/07/2008 23:45:40 ‹Lilith› Urza, Hmmm...:-k
22/07/2008 23:46:00 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; wrangling dozens of different artists to make a consistent feel is a huge part of her job.
22/07/2008 23:46:15 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, yeap... the layout and art makes each new volume of Pathfinder a pleasure
22/07/2008 23:46:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› I need to get going, thanks James and Erik and everyone . . .
22/07/2008 23:46:32 ‹Absinth› Night Knight!
22/07/2008 23:46:35 ‹Daigle› Take care Knight!
22/07/2008 23:46:40 ‹James Jacobs› No prob! Night Knight!
22/07/2008 23:46:49 ‹Absinth› Don't sleep in armor...
22/07/2008 23:46:50 ‹Mothman› I'm crap with names today ... who is that elf chick in Crimson Throne who is a cleric of ZK? Why can't someone do a proper pic of her?
22/07/2008 23:46:52 ‹ollibolli› gn8 knight
22/07/2008 23:46:56 ‹James Jacobs› Laori.
22/07/2008 23:46:59 ‹Lilith› Mothman, Laori Vaus
22/07/2008 23:47:01 ‹Mothman› Seeyou KEJR
22/07/2008 23:47:06 ‹Urza› nite KEJ
22/07/2008 23:47:11 ‹Mothman› James, Lilith, that's the one!
22/07/2008 23:47:14 ‹Zaister_› I'm off to work
22/07/2008 23:47:16 ‹James Jacobs› She's a prime example of how getting art to match the rest of the book is not always possible.
22/07/2008 23:47:22 ‹Zaister_› see you later guys
22/07/2008 23:47:26 ‹Absinth› Bye Zaister!
22/07/2008 23:47:28 ‹ollibolli› later, stefan
22/07/2008 23:47:29 ‹Mothman› James: indeed
22/07/2008 23:47:35 ‹Daigle› Have fun Zaister
22/07/2008 23:47:35 ‹Zaister_› thanks James and Erik!
22/07/2008 23:47:38 ‹James Jacobs› In fact, getting our elf ears and eyes right is one of the BIGGEST problems. We're getting better at it though.
22/07/2008 23:47:44 * Zaister_ quit
22/07/2008 23:47:54 ‹Mothman› I hoped for better art of her in PF11, but the portrait shot in that wasn't my cup of tea either
22/07/2008 23:47:55 ‹Daigle› Crap...it's nearing 2am here.
22/07/2008 23:48:00 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 23:48:06 ‹James Jacobs› Sometimes, though, you have to just accept the fact that some characters are cursed.
22/07/2008 23:48:06 ‹Daigle› I should be leaving as well, lady and gentlemen.
22/07/2008 23:48:15 ‹ollibolli› gn8 Adam
22/07/2008 23:48:18 ‹Daigle› Night all!
22/07/2008 23:48:18 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Laori seems to be one of those...
22/07/2008 23:48:20 ‹Mothman› well .... probably she is cursed
22/07/2008 23:48:21 ‹yoda8myhead› night Daigle
22/07/2008 23:48:22 ‹Lilith› Night Daigle!
22/07/2008 23:48:23 ‹James Jacobs› She is.
22/07/2008 23:48:25 ‹Blazej› Night Daigle.
22/07/2008 23:48:29 ‹James Jacobs› So was Ameiko.
22/07/2008 23:48:32 * Daigle drags his sleeping bag into the corner.
22/07/2008 23:48:33 * Lilith gives Daigle a blanket to curl up in the corner with.
22/07/2008 23:48:33 ‹Absinth› I never thought elf ears could develop into such a big issue. Well, I was wrong... Does Sarah have nightmares about elven ears? :)
22/07/2008 23:48:39 ‹Daigle› :D
22/07/2008 23:48:46 ‹Absinth› Night, Daigle!
22/07/2008 23:48:48 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: We'll be able to get new art about Ameiko eventually...
22/07/2008 23:48:57 ‹Russ› Laori takes the cake for art differences
22/07/2008 23:49:01 ‹yoda8myhead› I thought the fan art of Ameiko was great
22/07/2008 23:49:02 ‹ollibolli› yay
22/07/2008 23:49:04 ‹James Jacobs› Nope; we've got the ears under control now, actually. it's the Eyes that cause problems.
22/07/2008 23:49:08 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead, Grant Gould.
22/07/2008 23:49:22 ‹yoda8myhead› yeah. It's her pic on the wiki
22/07/2008 23:49:42 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yup, it was indeed good art. But I wouldn't publish it in Pathfinder; again, it doesn't fit the style or look of the art in Pathfinder. I'd certainly use it as reference for an artist, thoguh.
22/07/2008 23:50:00 ‹Absinth› Now it's eyes? lol Didn't notice any problems with elven eyes...
22/07/2008 23:50:15 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Good That means we fixed them.
22/07/2008 23:50:26 ‹James Jacobs› If you see one of our elves with whites in their eyes... that's an error.
22/07/2008 23:50:32 ‹Urza› Absinth, compare Laori's eyes to Merisiel's eyes... they're too human
22/07/2008 23:50:47 ‹James Jacobs› Their irises and pupils should fill the entire visible part of the eye.
22/07/2008 23:51:04 ‹Absinth› Well, I never had "problems" with either ears nor eyes since PF #1 and I'm kinda demanding when it comes to artwork...
22/07/2008 23:51:14 ‹James Jacobs› We had to doctor the eyes in both of Laori's art, If I Recall Correctly.
22/07/2008 23:51:31 ‹Russ› Kind of like a dog's eyes?
22/07/2008 23:51:47 ‹James Jacobs› Sort of. But more colorful. Blues and greens and purples
22/07/2008 23:52:02 ‹Russ› Hazel! :)
22/07/2008 23:52:10 * Russ thinks hazel is the best eye color
22/07/2008 23:52:20 ‹Blazej› Rainbow!
22/07/2008 23:52:22 ‹Mr Baron› The Laori pic in PF11 was almost scary
22/07/2008 23:52:28 ‹Mr Baron› yuk!
22/07/2008 23:53:08 ‹ollibolli› i need to run... catch my bus to work
22/07/2008 23:53:11 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, are Pathfinder APs given a higher art budget (on average) than the Pathfinder Modules? Last Baron's interior art didn't seem as good.
22/07/2008 23:53:17 ‹ollibolli› back in an hour
22/07/2008 23:53:18 ‹Russ› Yeah, that wasn't very good. It made me long for PF #9.
22/07/2008 23:53:21 ‹ollibolli› bye all
22/07/2008 23:53:41 ‹Mothman› Wayne seems to get PF elves right (the Merisiel iconic pic works for me) - maybe he should draw them all
22/07/2008 23:53:57 ‹Mothman› Having said that, the drow on Second Darkness covers are good too
22/07/2008 23:54:00 ‹Mr Baron› to an earlier point, Sarah has done a great job with the look of PF
22/07/2008 23:54:00 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> The APs have higher budgets because they're 3 times as long. We pay the same for interior art no matter what, though.
22/07/2008 23:54:01 ‹Lilith› Mothman, no...As much as I like WAR, too much of anything is a bad thing.
22/07/2008 23:54:11 ‹Russ› Wayne requires a caviar and champagne budget, Paizo's a bit more pizza and beer
22/07/2008 23:54:14 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> That's because Wayne was the one who figured the eye thing out in the first place! :)
22/07/2008 23:54:20 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Hmm. LB1's interior art is not as thrilling.
22/07/2008 23:54:34 ‹Lilith› But that's just my opinion
22/07/2008 23:54:43 * ollibolli quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 23:54:46 * Urza nods
22/07/2008 23:54:46 ‹Erik Mona› Paizo has been getting a cover a month from Wayne Reynolds for more than a year and continues to do so, thank you very much! :)
22/07/2008 23:54:57 ‹Urza› the Modules do see to get the umm.... less talented artists
22/07/2008 23:55:01 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not a fan of LB1's art either, to tell the truth. But not all art can be the best, I guess...
22/07/2008 23:55:10 ‹Russ› Yeah, but the cost has been complained about on these chats! :)
22/07/2008 23:55:17 ‹Mr Baron› Wayne is great! Still holding out for a Todd cover!
22/07/2008 23:55:21 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, LOL! I do like his art, but I do like the change up.
22/07/2008 23:55:28 ‹Lilith› Todd Lockwood would be awesome.
22/07/2008 23:55:45 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, true. But it's a reason to improve.
22/07/2008 23:55:48 ‹James Jacobs› Also... if artists like Eva and Ben and Andrew and Julie and all them are working on Pathfinder one month... they generally don't have time to also work on a module.
22/07/2008 23:55:52 ‹Lilith› (On the artist's side.)
22/07/2008 23:55:53 ‹Russ› Erol Otus!
22/07/2008 23:55:54 ‹James Jacobs› Todd Lockwood is way out of our price range.
22/07/2008 23:56:02 ‹Lilith› No doubt James Jacobs.
22/07/2008 23:56:10 ‹Mr Baron› i know
22/07/2008 23:56:17 ‹Lilith› I have his Illithid/Drow print in my dining room. :)
22/07/2008 23:56:43 ‹Urza› i'd imagine Todd's price has gone up significantly since he started doing all of the Drizzt covers exclusively for WOTC
22/07/2008 23:56:44 * yoda8myhead was mixing up interior art and inferior art
22/07/2008 23:57:13 ‹Erik Mona› Also, aside from Drizzt, Todd does not do work-for-hire.
22/07/2008 23:57:14 ‹James Jacobs› A lot of artists also won't do interior art; they only do cover art.
22/07/2008 23:57:18 ‹Russ› I assume that applies to Elmore too?
22/07/2008 23:57:23 ‹Erik Mona› Which I respect, but I don't set that rule.
22/07/2008 23:57:33 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah.
23:57:47 ‹Erik Mona› No. Since Parkinson died, Elmore is only interested in doing projects that interest him. That might mean his own stuff, work for hire, whatever.
22/07/2008 23:57:49 ‹Mr Baron› Say some about that Eric
22/07/2008 23:57:53 ‹Erik Mona› He did the final dragon cover, for example.
22/07/2008 23:58:04 ‹Erik Mona› (It still pains me to write that sentence, btw.)
22/07/2008 23:58:05 ‹James Jacobs› Brom's another artist in that category.
22/07/2008 23:58:07 ‹Rathendar› i loved parkinsons works
22/07/2008 23:58:07 ‹Lilith› Fie. Interior art and non-portrait artwork is just as important in setting the feel of a piece of work.
22/07/2008 23:58:12 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, :(
22/07/2008 23:58:19 ‹Erik Mona› Right. Brom is done with RPG work for hire.
22/07/2008 23:58:20 ‹Rathendar› and have been a long standing elmore fan as well
22/07/2008 23:58:24 ‹Urza› i got to meet Elmore at Icon in March... great guy and the stories he tells
22/07/2008 23:58:27 ‹Russ› At least it got to go out on a high note.
22/07/2008 23:58:27 ‹Urza› fun fun
22/07/2008 23:58:30 ‹Erik Mona› Ditto Tony Diterlizzi. Especially since Spiderwick hit it big.
22/07/2008 23:58:40 ‹Mothman› That's a pity - would be so cool if you could get Brom
22/07/2008 23:58:45 ‹Erik Mona› Also Adam Rex is doing lucrative storybooks for major publishers, so he's probably not interested.
22/07/2008 23:58:52 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. The magazines have a LONG history in finding and making artists only to have those artists outgrow the magazines.
22/07/2008 23:58:53 ‹Mothman› or Tony DiTerlizzi!
22/07/2008 23:59:00 * Erik Mona looks over at his Brom original cover painting.
22/07/2008 23:59:11 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, which one?
22/07/2008 23:59:15 ‹Russ› When you say he doesn't do work for hire, you mean he doesn't do art unless he keeps the rights?
22/07/2008 23:59:19 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> Thanks for saying so.
22/07/2008 23:59:22 ‹James Jacobs› Correct.
22/07/2008 23:59:35 ‹Mothman› I can understand them not doing RPG work for hire if they can afford not to though
22/07/2008 23:59:40 ‹Lilith› I like getting the Spectrum book and see how many RPG supplement covers end up in there.
22/07/2008 23:59:53 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. RPGs order a LOT of art.
23/07/2008 00:00:07 ‹Lilith› ImagineFX is a great magazine - a lot of talent ends up in those pages.
23/07/2008 00:00:14 ‹Erik Mona› Lilith> This one: http://www.pen-paper.net/rpgdb...eid=137
23/07/2008 00:00:15 ‹James Jacobs› Which has a big part of why it's tough for RPGs to make lots of money, of course... art is expensive! :)
23/07/2008 00:00:24 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, it's always exciting to say "Hey! I saw that before!"
23/07/2008 00:00:46 ‹yoda8myhead› ok, bedtime
23/07/2008 00:00:46 ‹James Jacobs› I assume your original doesn't have that big scratch/tear on it?
23/07/2008 00:00:51 ‹yoda8myhead› thanks James and Erik
23/07/2008 00:00:54 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, it is.. but it can make or break an RPG too
23/07/2008 00:01:01 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, SWEET. :) Brom has always been good stuff. His art on the Dark Sun novels and materials really drew me in.
23/07/2008 00:01:01 ‹Russ› I'm sure I'm a bit of a mutant in not much caring about art. I'd happily go back to black and white line drawings if it meant more product per dollar.
23/07/2008 00:01:11 ‹Mothman› James: You could just drop the art! (Nutbag)
23/07/2008 00:01:26 ‹James Jacobs› Art, I think, is more important than words in most cases, since bad or no art often = no one ever gets around to seeing the words.
23/07/2008 00:01:38 ‹James Jacobs› NUTBAG!
23/07/2008 00:01:39 ‹Russ› Mmmm. I miss the Living Grehawk Journal.
23/07/2008 00:01:39 ‹Lilith› Urza, very true. There's a new RPG setting called Alpha and Omega that is just absolutely stunning in its artwork and layout. Work finding to drool over.
23/07/2008 00:01:56 ‹James Jacobs› Watch out for squirrels and chipmunks, Mothman! They might try to stuff you in a tree hole.
23/07/2008 00:02:13 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, also true (about bad/no art).
23/07/2008 00:02:29 ‹Erik Mona› That cover is the first full-color painting I ever ordered for a professional gaming magazine.
23/07/2008 00:02:33 ‹James Jacobs› I mean... look at the old 1st edition monster manuals. The monsters that got forgotten are the ones that didn't have art. The ones that DID end up being famous had good art.
23/07/2008 00:02:38 * Mothman watches for squirrils...
23/07/2008 00:02:41 ‹Russ› The saddest magazine deaths for me have been merger deaths - when one magazine folds into another. The one folded in nearly always dies, and fairly often so does the one who absorbed the other. It happened at least 3 times Dragon and Dungeon's runs
23/07/2008 00:02:42 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, a personal investment then. :)
23/07/2008 00:02:42 ‹Urza› a good cover makes a person pick the book up, a great interior makes them bring the book home
23/07/2008 00:02:49 * Absinth quit (timeout)
23/07/2008 00:02:51 ‹Russ› (Ares, Living Greyhawk Journal, Polyhedron)
23/07/2008 00:02:52 ‹Lilith› Urza, nicely put.
23/07/2008 00:03:05 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... I missed that boat, alas. I wasn't able to scrape together the dough to buy Dungeon 119 before someone richer bought it. :(
23/07/2008 00:03:08 ‹Erik Mona› The other, ordered at the same time, was this one, from Jeff Easley: http://www.pen-paper.net/rpgdb...eid=169
23/07/2008 00:03:18 ‹James Jacobs› At least I got the original for Pathfinder 1 in my living room, though!
23/07/2008 00:03:27 ‹Lilith› Easley's always been hit or miss for me.
23/07/2008 00:03:39 ‹Erik Mona› I later met him at a con in Wisconsin, and he gave me the tracing paper sketch he made before he began painting. Just handed it to me with a smile.
23/07/2008 00:03:40 * yoda8myhead quit
23/07/2008 00:03:44 ‹Lilith› Though Frazetta is still a favorite. :D
23/07/2008 00:03:49 ‹James Jacobs› Don't you have the Greyhawk frame art from Easley, Erik?
23/07/2008 00:03:59 ‹Urza› Lilith, which is why it saddens me that the Pathfinder Campaign Setting cover isn't a wrap around! *whimpers* hehe
23/07/2008 00:04:34 * Russ wants a double-sized full print of the four part Greyhawk poster map
23/07/2008 00:04:36 ‹James Jacobs› I might just have to break down and buy the cover to Gods and Magic though... but whoo boy that'd be expensive.
23/07/2008 00:04:36 ‹Erik Mona› James> Yes. From the boxed set and the glossography.
23/07/2008 00:04:43 ‹Erik Mona› I bought those at Gen Con.
23/07/2008 00:04:48 ‹James Jacobs› That's right!
23/07/2008 00:04:51 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm.
23/07/2008 00:04:54 ‹Erik Mona› I always hoped to use them in Dragon somewhere. Sigh.
23/07/2008 00:05:00 ‹Russ› Oh NICE Erik!
23/07/2008 00:05:07 ‹Erik Mona› That cover is so sweet.
23/07/2008 00:05:13 ‹Erik Mona› Yeah, Russ. It was a sweet find.
23/07/2008 00:05:23 ‹Russ› Yeah. That was one of the finest covers from the 1st edition era.
23/07/2008 00:05:23 ‹Erik Mona› I should scan it and put it online for the community to use as they wish.
23/07/2008 00:05:31 ‹James Jacobs› You should!
23/07/2008 00:05:32 ‹Erik Mona› It would make a great Oerth Journal cover frame.
23/07/2008 00:05:34 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, :D Yay!
23/07/2008 00:05:38 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, Ooh!
23/07/2008 00:05:38 ‹Urza› one of these days i'll get a high resolution copy of the Iconic Sorceress from Dungeon 143!
23/07/2008 00:05:42 ‹James Jacobs› OR! Use it as the frame for Lemuria Press!
23/07/2008 00:05:51 ‹Lilith› The OJ art director is interested in THAT. :D
23/07/2008 00:05:52 * Urza whiggles his eyebrows at the paizo guys then goes back to thinking wishful thoughts
23/07/2008 00:06:05 ‹Russ› The Greyhawk module covers of that style stood apart from all the other products, they should have kept them going into 2nd ed (the gold ones that were on Isle of the Ape and Mordy's adventure)
00:07:06 ‹Erik Mona› All the WG covers should look like that.
23/07/2008 00:07:21 * Absinth quit (timeout)
23/07/2008 00:07:28 ‹Erik Mona› Gods, Greyhawk was terminally mismanaged as a business from day 600 or so.
23/07/2008 00:08:04 ‹Russ› Yep.
23/07/2008 00:08:05 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, I missed out on a lot of Greyhawk.
23/07/2008 00:08:07 ‹Lilith› :(
23/07/2008 00:08:15 ‹Urza› Lilith, me too
23/07/2008 00:08:19 ‹paul on tab› what would an art monster book be like? for example a pdf with just the names of the monsters with the picures larger than normal. I could use the picures on my screen
23/07/2008 00:08:23 ‹paul on tab› to show players
23/07/2008 00:08:31 ‹Russ› It makes me want to cry to think how low the print runs were on Sargent's most brilliant books.
23/07/2008 00:08:46 ‹James Jacobs› Like Ivid the Undying?
23/07/2008 00:08:48 ‹Lilith› paul on tab, probably something like that.
23/07/2008 00:08:52 ‹Russ› And how many of those products got pulped.
23/07/2008 00:09:00 * Lazaro quit (timeout)
23/07/2008 00:09:04 ‹Russ› Ivid, print run 0? :)
23/07/2008 00:09:07 ‹Erik Mona› I think relatively little of Sargent's stuff was pulped.
23/07/2008 00:09:11 ‹James Jacobs› That's the one!
23/07/2008 00:09:23 ‹Russ› Hmm, I heard at one point that a bunch of FtA got ground up
23/07/2008 00:09:26 ‹Erik Mona› We print more of each issue of Pathfinder than TSR printed of From the Ashes.
23/07/2008 00:09:40 ‹Lilith› Oof.
23/07/2008 00:09:41 ‹Erik Mona› I don't know. It's possible. There were only ever 5,000 or so of the things.
23/07/2008 00:09:47 * Russ is hoarding two copies of From the Ashes
23/07/2008 00:09:51 ‹Urza› Erik Mona, you didn't print enough PF#2 though! :)
23/07/2008 00:10:14 ‹James Jacobs› The From the Ashes boxed set?
23/07/2008 00:10:15 ‹Rathendar› i miss greyhawk =/
23/07/2008 00:10:20 ‹Lilith› I consider myself lucky to have found the Glossography (with maps) and the World of Greyhawk material at a used bookstore.
23/07/2008 00:10:25 ‹Erik Mona› Somewhere in my Lost Cabinet of Historical Delights I have a printout of a spreadsheet with the historical sales figures for every single classic TSR adventure, boxed set, and hardcover book through second edition.
23/07/2008 00:10:27 ‹James Jacobs› Crap. I beat the HELL out of mine.
23/07/2008 00:10:27 * Russ sighs at the apocrypha of D&D
23/07/2008 00:10:27 ‹Rathendar› and i'd have killed to get an ivid the undying =/
23/07/2008 00:10:33 ‹Russ› Shadowlands :)
23/07/2008 00:10:41 ‹Erik Mona› I believe I gave James a photocopy of this information for safe keeping/historical purposes.
23/07/2008 00:10:54 ‹Russ› It'd be nice to point that at WotC when they say 3E outsold 1E
23/07/2008 00:11:06 ‹James Jacobs› You believe correctly, Erik. I made a few copies myself and stashed them here and there.
23/07/2008 00:11:19 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, safe deposit box. :)
23/07/2008 00:11:23 ‹Erik Mona› Excellent.
23/07/2008 00:11:39 ‹James Jacobs› Whether or not I can ever FIND them again... that's the question. ;)
23/07/2008 00:11:42 ‹Urza› historical purposes.. i like that
23/07/2008 00:11:42 ‹Russ› Granted, the core books sell a lot more than that, but the original fiend folio - 190k
23/07/2008 00:11:50 ‹Rathendar› lol, nice guys. good conspiracy ammo you have there =p
23/07/2008 00:11:57 * Urza jots that "excuse" down
23/07/2008 00:11:58 ‹Urza› :)
23/07/2008 00:12:01 ‹James Jacobs› Some of those older modules had STAGGERING numbers.
23/07/2008 00:12:19 ‹Erik Mona› I know. I have something like 8 boxes of random ephemera at work, and I fear it like I fear the radioactive zone.
23/07/2008 00:12:31 ‹Erik Mona› Yeah.
23/07/2008 00:12:31 ‹Lilith› How close is Pathfinder to those numbers? :P
23/07/2008 00:12:34 ‹Russ› Yeah, I bought my copy of D3 Vault of the Drow at Toys R Us for pete's sake
23/07/2008 00:12:43 ‹Erik Mona› Isle of Dread sold something like 2 million copies.
23/07/2008 00:12:44 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Not very close at all, alas.
23/07/2008 00:12:56 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I figured. :)
23/07/2008 00:12:59 ‹James Jacobs› Tomb of Horrors was above a million too, if I remember.
23/07/2008 00:13:03 ‹Rathendar› man, original isle of dread is so classic. i loved seeing it in savage tide.
23/07/2008 00:13:04 ‹Russ› I suspect most gaming products DREAM of selling 200k, let alone module numbers
23/07/2008 00:13:07 ‹Erik Mona› People who claim that D&D is more popular now than it was in 1983 are smoking crack cocaine.
23/07/2008 00:13:22 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, Russ, :rofl:
23/07/2008 00:13:33 ‹paul on tab› what are teh numbers like
23/07/2008 00:13:34 ‹Russ› And D3 was a NIGHTMARE to find.
23/07/2008 00:13:39 ‹paul on tab› roughly
23/07/2008 00:13:42 ‹Russ› It took me a whole summer to get a copy of it.
23/07/2008 00:13:48 ‹Erik Mona› I think the D&D core rulebooks are the only RPG products that even touch 200k (which they exceed by a comfortable margin).
23/07/2008 00:13:52 ‹Urza› Russ, ha! My AD&D PHB with the breaded wizard on the cover still has it's Toys R Us sticker on it!
23/07/2008 00:14:01 ‹James Jacobs› Isle of Dread being in Savage Tide is all because of Erik, actaully.
23/07/2008 00:14:06 ‹Rathendar› i think i have 'most' of the old 1st edition modules. i was a sucker for them.
23/07/2008 00:14:11 ‹Mr Baron› so what was the best selling D&D classic adventure?
23/07/2008 00:14:12 ‹Lilith› Urza, Breaded? Tasty! *gets out ranch dipping sauce*
23/07/2008 00:14:16 ‹Rathendar› thanks eric /hug
23/07/2008 00:14:18 ‹James Jacobs› He said, "Why not send them to the Isle of Dread?" and I said "yes."
23/07/2008 00:14:22 ‹Erik Mona› Most other RPG companies would be happy to sell 2000 copies of their product these days.
23/07/2008 00:14:36 ‹Urza› bearded!
23/07/2008 00:14:41 ‹Erik Mona› I am an editorial genius. What can I say.
23/07/2008 00:14:45 ‹Mothman› And they all lived happily ever after! (On hte Isle of Dread...)
23/07/2008 00:14:58 ‹James Jacobs› Isle of Dread was the best seller.
23/07/2008 00:14:59 * Absinth joins Main
23/07/2008 00:15:00 ‹paul on tab› whats are exceptable numbers on a followup product after teh core rules
23/07/2008 00:15:02 ‹Lilith› Mothman, Zotzihala! Nom nom nom nom nom
23/07/2008 00:15:04 ‹James Jacobs› Keep on the Borderlands did well too.
23/07/2008 00:15:13 ‹Russ› This was D3, sixth printing (blue cover), and still horribly hard to find
23/07/2008 00:15:13 ‹James Jacobs› But part of that was because those two were in the box sets too.
23/07/2008 00:15:25 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect Tomb of Horrors was teh best selling stand-alone module.
23/07/2008 00:15:25 ‹Erik Mona› I don't know, Paul. Maybe 35,000 once the excitement of a new edition wears off? Probably less?
23/07/2008 00:15:30 ‹Mr Baron› how many copies sold on isle of Dread?
23/07/2008 00:15:34 ‹paul on tab› cool
23/07/2008 00:15:52 ‹Mothman› SO - why was D&D more popular in 83 than it is now? What's changed? (apart from ... everything)
23/07/2008 00:15:55 ‹Russ› Manual of the Planeswas at or near the top of the best seller list the year it came out
23/07/2008 00:16:06 ‹James Jacobs› Isle of Dread was around 2 million.
23/07/2008 00:16:16 ‹Erik Mona› I think Temple of Elemental Evil may have outsold Tomb of Horrors, but both were in print for a _LONG_ time.
23/07/2008 00:16:16 ‹Russ› Though I've heard that D&D hardcovers would still be on the hardcover list if they LET them be
23/07/2008 00:16:20 ‹Urza› Erik Mona, editorial genius or tactifily manuevered into being surrounded by some of the best talent in the business?
23/07/2008 00:16:26 ‹Russ› Mothman - D&D is no longer taboo
23/07/2008 00:16:28 ‹Erik Mona› Temple was available new well after the release of second edition.
23/07/2008 00:16:42 ‹Mr Baron› 2 Million for Isle of Dread???
23/07/2008 00:16:43 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Videogames changed. Also movies and books are more fantasy friendly.
23/07/2008 00:16:43 ‹Russ› Erik - I believe it was even still being printed after 2E
23/07/2008 00:16:58 ‹Absinth› Okay, I'm off to work! Have a good night/day, wherever you are. THanks for chatting! It was fun! See you next week!
23/07/2008 00:17:13 ‹James Jacobs› But also... the fad stage wore off.
23/07/2008 00:17:14 ‹Russ› Yep, according to acaeum it was http://www.acaeum.com/ddindexe...er.html
23/07/2008 00:17:24 ‹Erik Mona› Urza> Seeing as how I hired and trained most of that talent, I'm going to go with genius, but I'll let you be the judge. :)
23/07/2008 00:17:56 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, so you think now we're more culturally aware of D&D, but other forms of entertainment eclipse RPGs, as opposed to 20+ years ago?
23/07/2008 00:18:06 ‹James Jacobs› Wait... damn! Johnny hired me, so that means I'm not under Erik's Genius Umbrella! NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo...
00:18:39 ‹Urza› Erik Mona, bah! it seems i must stop channeling the power of the Jacobs and start channeling the Mona! the power of Mona far exceeds all! all give praise to the Mona!
23/07/2008 00:18:46 ‹Russ› Might as well ask why trivial pursuit isn't a big thing anymore
23/07/2008 00:18:49 ‹James Jacobs› Ugh. That link reminded me of "Realms of Horror." <shudder>
23/07/2008 00:18:58 ‹Absinth› :gninja:
23/07/2008 00:19:00 ‹Lilith› Urza, Or the power of the Stevens. :D
23/07/2008 00:19:20 ‹Russ› James - sorry. There's a face-off for crapfesting, worst supermod - B1-9 or S1-4?
23/07/2008 00:19:22 ‹James Jacobs› Or Tang? What happened to Tang? It's what the astronauts drank!
23/07/2008 00:19:32 ‹James Jacobs› S1-4, hands down.
23/07/2008 00:19:39 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I used to get Tang & brandy when camping growing up. :P
23/07/2008 00:19:40 ‹Russ› Tang got killed off by the Living Greyhawk Journal.
23/07/2008 00:19:53 ‹Russ› I dunno. B1-9 wasn't playable without errata :)
23/07/2008 00:20:03 ‹James Jacobs› Tang & Brandy? I just found out what I'm doing tomorrow on my day off!
23/07/2008 00:20:08 ‹Russ› But ugh, S3 with missing ship levels, and S4 without artifacts
23/07/2008 00:20:27 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> S1-4 omitted entire levels and swaths of content, though. And was a LOT flimsier to boot.
23/07/2008 00:20:33 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Hot Tang. (It was cheaper brandy too, but treat yourself. Life is too short for bad food.)
23/07/2008 00:20:35 ‹Russ› Er, gazetteer, not the journal
23/07/2008 00:20:50 * Absinth quit (timeout)
23/07/2008 00:20:54 ‹Russ› I bought S1-4 thinking it would be like the other supermodules, expanded and improved :(
23/07/2008 00:21:06 ‹James Jacobs› Unfortunately... I have no skill at brandy buying. I'll probably end up with a six-pack of Coors Lite.
23/07/2008 00:21:11 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Same here.
23/07/2008 00:21:12 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :ohnoes:
23/07/2008 00:21:16 ‹Russ› Didn't GDQ add more alternate worlds to Lolth's web?
23/07/2008 00:21:34 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Christian Brothers is acceptable. :)
23/07/2008 00:21:34 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, Coors Lite... that close to canada! you should be drinking Molson Golden!
23/07/2008 00:21:38 ‹James Jacobs› GDQ did a lot of expansion and retrofitting and stuff.
23/07/2008 00:21:42 ‹Russ› Alas, it did nothing to fix Asberdies
23/07/2008 00:21:52 ‹Lilith› Urza, he's in the PacNW, there's a helluva lot better beer choices than Coors Lite.
23/07/2008 00:21:52 ‹James Jacobs› Heh.
23/07/2008 00:22:01 * Urza grumbles that Molson Golden is only available on the black market here in NY
23/07/2008 00:22:07 ‹James Jacobs› Asberdies was just taking a nap on his walk to Somewhere Important.
23/07/2008 00:22:30 ‹Russ› But how do you explain the thousands of magic mouths? :)
23/07/2008 00:22:49 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... pretty much every beer I've tasted = gross. Guinness is okay if it's on tap. But for the most part... beer is disguisting to me.
23/07/2008 00:23:04 ‹Russ› Yumm. I wanted to be a drow vampire with a hot succubus girlfriend.
23/07/2008 00:23:09 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Fine then. Mead for you.
23/07/2008 00:23:14 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I explain them by saying he was bored.
23/07/2008 00:23:21 ‹James Jacobs› MEAD! Now you're talking.
23/07/2008 00:23:28 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, i felt like that up until this summer when I had my first Molson Golden :P
23/07/2008 00:23:42 * Lilith has a bottle of 5 yr old mead. ;)
23/07/2008 00:23:49 ‹Russ› And I so wanted an adventure supplement detailing the Sunless Sea.
23/07/2008 00:23:58 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I was going to ask if there was such a thing as a dumpy succubus... then I remembered the last page of the 1st Edition DMG's index.
23/07/2008 00:24:09 ‹Urza› Russ, i think you just described every male D&D player's fantasy :)
23/07/2008 00:24:15 ‹Russ› And there were the OTHER six (I think) hex encounter areas on that map. If one was big enough fr the vault... ;)
23/07/2008 00:24:54 ‹Russ› I mean "other (six hex)" not other (other six) hex
23/07/2008 00:24:57 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... I went through and detailed all of those encounter areas back in high school.
23/07/2008 00:25:00 ‹James Jacobs› Good times.
23/07/2008 00:25:12 ‹Russ› One of them was my empire of the derro.
23/07/2008 00:26:01 ‹Russ› Another was an illithid city inspired by the flavor in Dragon #78's psychology of the mind flayer (GREAT art in that article, as I recall)
23/07/2008 00:26:53 ‹Mothman› Alright all, I must be off. Thanks for chatting James and Erik
23/07/2008 00:27:22 ‹Russ› There's something very cool about a city without stairs
23/07/2008 00:27:35 ‹Lilith› Russ, and utterly alien. :)
23/07/2008 00:27:38 ‹Urza› i think it's a shame there was never a Dungeon Magazine Archive collection like there was for Dragon...i get so much use out of mine
23/07/2008 00:27:59 ‹James Jacobs› OK!
23/07/2008 00:28:00 ‹James Jacobs› I'm out!
23/07/2008 00:28:08 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Night! :thug:
23/07/2008 00:28:15 ‹Russ› I need to back up my Dragon archive. Irreplaceable.
23/07/2008 00:28:15 ‹Sothal@work› Night JJ
23/07/2008 00:28:17 ‹Urza› night night james
23/07/2008 00:28:22 ‹James Jacobs› Any last minute stuff before I wander off to read something or play a video game or go off into the night to fight crime?
23/07/2008 00:28:23 ‹Russ› James, thank you for a fantastic chat
23/07/2008 00:28:45 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, not yet...as Erik said no spoilarz!
23/07/2008 00:28:56 ‹James Jacobs› That Erik... always spoiling my fun.
23/07/2008 00:29:02 ‹Urza› Russ, i know the feeling
23/07/2008 00:29:11 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :lol:
23/07/2008 00:29:23 ‹James Jacobs› MoooooNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!1111!!1!oneone
23/07/2008 00:29:33 ‹Urza› i love my Core Rules 2.0 collection too
23/07/2008 00:29:36 ‹Russ› Wish I could be at Gencon. But next year I will.
23/07/2008 00:29:41 ‹Urza› and my Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas
23/07/2008 00:29:50 * Mothman quit (timeout)
23/07/2008 00:29:53 ‹Lilith› Urza, the Interactive Atlas is AWESOME.
23/07/2008 00:29:53 ‹Rathendar› g'nite james, )
23/07/2008 00:29:54 ‹Russ› I have CR 2, but meh.
23/07/2008 00:30:01 ‹Russ› And Etools. Bah.
23/07/2008 00:30:14 ‹Urza› Etools! BUAHAHA
23/07/2008 00:30:16 ‹Russ› Etools was fixed to non-sucky by the end, but what a sad tale.
23/07/2008 00:30:25 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
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29/07/2008 20:21:45 ‹Pygon› where is Drowned detailed?
29/07/2008 20:21:45 ‹Absinth› :cthulhu: Oh great old one, send us the...uhh...old one.
29/07/2008 20:21:46 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› Welcome James Jacobs!!! How are you tonight?
29/07/2008 20:21:48 ‹Daigle› Howdy James!
29/07/2008 20:21:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› James!
29/07/2008 20:21:52 ‹Rambling Scribe› Ross, are there people with early access to the beta?
29/07/2008 20:21:53 ‹Urza› Absinth, lol, why do you say that? i thought the new blog entry was a much more positive entry then the last one :)
29/07/2008 20:21:53 * psymin smiles at James Jacobs.
29/07/2008 20:21:54 ‹Nameless› ... And then there's James!
29/07/2008 20:21:58 ‹Lilith› JAMES! :glomp: :love: :thug: :cthulhu:
29/07/2008 20:21:55 ‹Daigle› The natives were getting restless.
29/07/2008 20:21:56 ‹Pygon› it worked! Hi James!
29/07/2008 20:22:04 ‹James Jacobs› Howdy!
29/07/2008 20:22:06 * Dread quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 20:22:07 ‹Urza› hi james
29/07/2008 20:22:09 ‹Absinth› Ahh! Thanks, Cthulhu...;)
29/07/2008 20:22:10 ‹BloodBought› Monster Manual 3 for those who asked
29/07/2008 20:22:11 ‹Charles Evans› KnightErrantJR: weren't there some odd 'phobia' monsters in the RPGSuperstar contest?
29/07/2008 20:22:12 ‹Mr Baron› Hey James!
29/07/2008 20:22:17 ‹yoda8myhead› Hi James
29/07/2008 20:22:18 * jmberaldo quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 20:22:23 ‹Pygon› figures, I don't have that one.
29/07/2008 20:22:28 ‹BloodBought› Ack... so much for that monster hunt I was doing, now it's going to get lost to the deluge of questions
29/07/2008 20:22:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'll have to dig through those forums again.
29/07/2008 20:22:33 ‹spamhammer› Hello, James
29/07/2008 20:22:34 ‹BloodBought› It's worthwhile to get
29/07/2008 20:22:38 ‹Absinth› Urza, yes, but I read the entry and the room kicked me out! :D
29/07/2008 20:22:39 ‹Ross› Rambling Scribe, no. Pfsrd does't have content yet, but it will when I get the beta.
29/07/2008 20:22:40 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› James Jacobs, if you could select some non-OGC classes to convert to PfRPG, which would you choose and why?
29/07/2008 20:22:45 ‹BloodBought› IMO, IV is really the only one that's sketchy
29/07/2008 20:22:45 ‹Absinth› Hi James!
29/07/2008 20:22:46 ‹James Jacobs› Sorry I'm late. Got distracted by my iPhone a little...
29/07/2008 20:22:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Thanks for the brainstorming all . . .
29/07/2008 20:22:54 ‹Majuba› welcome James!
29/07/2008 20:22:56 * Nameless quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 20:22:58 ‹yoda8myhead› oooooo, iPhone
29/07/2008 20:23:00 ‹Kvantum› 3G iPhone? nice
29/07/2008 20:23:01 ‹BloodBought› (though II is a pain in the ass to convert to be sensible >.< )
29/07/2008 20:23:01 ‹yoda8myhead› is it new?
29/07/2008 20:23:06 ‹Charles Evans› KnightErrantKR: I think there was one which drowned people, or something like that in the 'design three creatures' round.
29/07/2008 20:23:13 ‹James Jacobs› Viritoth> Samurai and Ninja would be high on that list.
29/07/2008 20:23:29 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› James Jacobs, spiffy
29/07/2008 20:23:35 ‹Ross› For those who asked, pfsrd.org (aka Wayfinder) is a d20srd.org ripoff for PFRPG. It's password access only until the Final is released.
29/07/2008 20:23:43 * Nameless 2 joins Main
29/07/2008 20:23:51 ‹James Jacobs› Nah, I still have the first generation iPhone. With a tricksy on/off button, nonetheless.
29/07/2008 20:23:52 * Viritoth the Pureblood has been waiting over 24 hours to asking that question
29/07/2008 20:23:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hooray for Samurai and Ninja . . . I'd like to see thouse too.
29/07/2008 20:24:02 ‹Majuba› James: Any idea what a Ring of Jumping is or is supposed to do in Pathfinder Beta?
29/07/2008 20:24:09 * Charles Evans looks at his copy of Dragon #353 and tries to remember what question he was going to ask....
29/07/2008 20:24:28 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, iphone is fun!
29/07/2008 20:24:28 * Dalvyn joins Main
29/07/2008 20:24:29 ‹James Jacobs› Majuba> Nope. No idea. Probably gives you bonuses to jumping still.
29/07/2008 20:24:40 * psymin <3 his 1st gen iPhone
29/07/2008 20:24:40 ‹Pygon› James - are you well rested from your days off?
29/07/2008 20:24:41 ‹Ross› The chatroom works on one, btw.
29/07/2008 20:24:43 * Dread quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 20:24:53 ‹Absinth› Hey, Rambling Scribe, thanks for your reply over at Sinister!
29/07/2008 20:24:56 ‹Kvantum› I just wish iPhones came in 32 GB and were on Verizon
29/07/2008 20:25:02 * Nameless 2 changes his/her nickname to Nameless
29/07/2008 20:25:13 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> I suppose so. Although James Sutter's got some sort of sick that he's trying to spread....
29/07/2008 20:25:20 ‹Rambling Scribe› Absinth: No problem! glad to help out!
29/07/2008 20:25:24 ‹Nameless› Ross, i would be interested in access to pfsd.org!
29/07/2008 20:25:32 ‹James Jacobs› Having to be stuck wtih AT&T is kinda lame... but at least it's not Sprint.
29/07/2008 20:25:39 ‹Absinth› You did...:)
29/07/2008 20:25:49 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, too much rockin' out I suppose on Sutter's part
29/07/2008 20:25:56 ‹Ross› Nameless, PM me.
29/07/2008 20:25:57 ‹James Jacobs› Ha!
29/07/2008 20:26:13 ‹Hill Giant› http://daddytypes.com/archive/...one.jpg
29/07/2008 20:26:15 ‹paul› Ross thats sounds great
29/07/2008 20:26:27 ‹James Jacobs› He actually had an INCIDENT yesterday when his rock-star reaction accidentally applied to an editorial reaction.
29/07/2008 20:26:28 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› James Jacobs, other than Samurai and Ninja, any others you can think of?
29/07/2008 20:26:28 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Anything more you can tell us about djinn from Ap#4?
29/07/2008 20:26:32 ‹Dread› hey James
29/07/2008 20:26:40 ‹yoda8myhead› he added an awesome pic of himself on the axe to the wiki
29/07/2008 20:26:44 ‹Ross› People who wanted access to PFSRD, please PM me.
29/07/2008 20:26:56 ‹Mr Baron› James - since our last chat, quite a few new products have been announced...is there anything else you can share with us?
29/07/2008 20:27:01 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> I have a product idea fer y'all. Partially blank sheets of perforated paper with item card templates on em, and a webform ala Apples to Apples thingie for doing up your own :) ( http://www.otb-games.com/apple...nk.html )
29/07/2008 20:27:10 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, what does that mean? "INCIDENT"
29/07/2008 20:27:11 ‹jmberaldo› Gar! Lag!
29/07/2008 20:27:14 ‹James Jacobs› Viritoth> Hmmm... let me see... none immediately come to the top of my head, actaully.
29/07/2008 20:27:28 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 20:27:40 ‹James Jacobs› INCIDENT = he was happy about some sort of comma or colon or elipsis thing and made a rock-star type YAAAAAHHHH! noise.
29/07/2008 20:27:45 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› James Jacobs, okay, I can live with that. Now get Bulmahn in here to answer the same question.
29/07/2008 20:27:51 ‹Mr Baron› are you guys planning any additional announcements at GenCon?
29/07/2008 20:27:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, is the Great Beyond going to have any new monsters, or just reference ones that have already shown up in Pathfinder products?
29/07/2008 20:27:56 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, ha!
29/07/2008 20:28:04 ‹Pygon› must have been an umlaut. umlauts are cool.
29/07/2008 20:28:05 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> Nope; all the products we were sitting on and I wasn't allowed to talk about are OUT IN THE OPEN now! :)
29/07/2008 20:28:09 * Viritoth the Pureblood is an evil paragon kobold who wants what he wants
29/07/2008 20:28:18 ‹Daigle› umlauts are metal!
29/07/2008 20:28:26 ‹Lilith› Viritoth the Pureblood, :aww:
29/07/2008 20:28:26 * clight101 joins Main
29/07/2008 20:28:26 ‹Daigle› :headbang:
29/07/2008 20:28:32 ‹James Jacobs› Viritoth> I suppose a swashbuckler class could be cool, though.
29/07/2008 20:28:40 ‹yoda8myhead› so let's talk about 'em!
29/07/2008 20:28:41 ‹Daigle› Howdy clight101!
29/07/2008 20:28:44 ‹Absinth› Pygon, you can't live without Umlaut where I am from...:)
29/07/2008 20:28:47 ‹Charles Evans› Punctuation causes Sutter to bounce up & down in excitement? :shock:
29/07/2008 20:28:49 ‹Eyebite› A swashbuckler class would be sweet
29/07/2008 20:28:50 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I believe we've got space for five new monsters in Great Beyond.
29/07/2008 20:28:55 ‹Eyebite› I highly approve
29/07/2008 20:29:02 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› Lilith, yes Mistress? Is there something I can do?
29/07/2008 20:29:03 ‹Mr Baron› BTW, getting Shemmy to write "The Great Beyond" was awesome....I am really looking forward to see what he does with it
29/07/2008 20:29:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› I actually really liked the "seduction" ability they gave Swashbucklers in the "dead levels" articles.
29/07/2008 20:29:27 ‹Absinth› James Jacobs, wow, is the book already divided into chapters and pages assigned to each?
29/07/2008 20:29:31 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It does. In fact, all of us in the Editorial Pit get worked up about punctuation at times.
29/07/2008 20:29:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› Good to know, looking forward to this quite a bit.
29/07/2008 20:29:49 ‹Charles Evans› :rofl:
29/07/2008 20:29:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi clight!
29/07/2008 20:30:05 ‹Lilith› Viritoth the Pureblood, You're doing well, looking out for ninja training in the tribe. I approve. :woot:
29/07/2008 20:30:12 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> Yeah; we had Todd write the outer planes section of the Hardcover Campaign Setting, and he REALLY did a great job with it. Getting him to write the bigger book was a no-brainer.
29/07/2008 20:30:15 ‹Charles Evans› James jacobs: That sounds funny, but in a good kind of way.
29/07/2008 20:30:16 ‹clight101› hi daigle
29/07/2008 20:30:34 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› James Jacobs, really; why ever' could you: get upset over `punctuation,?
29/07/2008 20:30:44 ‹Pygon› that's gonna be a big honkin PDF
29/07/2008 20:30:46 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> There'll be a chapter on the inner planes, a chapter on the outer planes, a chapter on other dimensions and demiplanes, and then a chapter on new monsters.
29/07/2008 20:30:49 ‹Daigle› Ouch
29/07/2008 20:31:00 ‹Absinth› :coffee: 4 :cthulhu:
29/07/2008 20:31:05 ‹clight101› hey scribe, what's up man
29/07/2008 20:31:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its good to see a fan that put in a lot of time, energy, and passion on a given subject get a chance to shine "officially."
29/07/2008 20:31:07 * Viritoth the Pureblood bows before the Great Mistress Lilith the Creator
29/07/2008 20:31:10 ‹Dorgar› nice
29/07/2008 20:31:24 ‹clight101› holy lag
29/07/2008 20:31:27 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah; part of the outlining process involves deciding how much space each topic gets. That gets handled very close to the start of the process... usually even before we assign an author.
29/07/2008 20:31:40 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: There's a debate already starting about the hardcover I note... 'Is 256 pages enough'?
29/07/2008 20:31:50 ‹Charles Evans› (The CS hardcover)
29/07/2008 20:31:54 ‹James Jacobs› Viritoth> What upsets me in punctuation are improperly used apostrophies.
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29/07/2008 20:32:27 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Yup. You don't have to be a published big-name to get my attention, in other words! :)
29/07/2008 20:32:27 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› James Jacobs, 'okay ;-)
29/07/2008 20:32:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm sure I'll be floored by the Campaign Setting, given how amazing the Pathfinder books have been so far.
29/07/2008 20:32:33 ‹spamhammer› James - Are there plans for more module mini-paths (ala Last Baron) or are you waiting to see how those sell first?
29/07/2008 20:32:37 ‹Pygon› the monsters used the PCs' weapons and killed the PCs.
29/07/2008 20:32:58 ‹Majuba› James: Any suggestion for running PF#13 (going to be a little rushed in my preps)
29/07/2008 20:33:06 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah... I don't know how to answer the concern about 256 pages being enough... Of COURSE we could do a lot more. But we need to cap things somewhere.
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29/07/2008 20:33:14 ‹Blazej› I must discover when the subscription shipment is sent out!
29/07/2008 20:33:30 ‹Pygon› I think it was Lisa that said the price point for the book becamse unreasonable above 256?
29/07/2008 20:33:38 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› jmberaldo, :shock:
29/07/2008 20:33:55 ‹Dorgar› James when do you expect the beta rules to hit the website?
29/07/2008 20:33:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Not to mention that if you make it "Volume One," people would complain about it not being a complete overview.
29/07/2008 20:34:01 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› Pygon, I recall hearing the same as well.
29/07/2008 20:34:03 ‹James Jacobs› 256 pages was as much a "How much can we realisticly accomplish by Gen Con" as much as anything else. And also, yes... books are VERY EXPENSIVE to produce, and we're still very much in the early stages of this Pathfinder thing.
29/07/2008 20:34:12 * Viritoth the Pureblood changes his/her nickname to '
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29/07/2008 20:34:25 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I see some of the complaints were that compared to the FR:CS (3.0) it was too few pages for too high a price. I think someone from Paizo may have come back with something about print-runs on that count though...
29/07/2008 20:34:33 * ' is improper
29/07/2008 20:34:35 ‹BloodBought› James Jacobs: I was wondering, since I haven't had much of a chance to read through the Golarion information, how difficult would it be to convert material intended for use in that setting over to a setting like Eberron?
29/07/2008 20:34:44 ‹James Jacobs› Majuba> What kind of suggestions are you looking for for PF 13? My only real one in a vacuum would be, "DON'T LET THE PCS PLAY DROW CHARACTERS."
29/07/2008 20:34:51 ‹jmberaldo› Comparing a 700 pages novel to a 256 setting book was the most stupid reasoning Ive even seen :P
29/07/2008 20:35:08 ‹James Jacobs› Dorgar> The beta PDF will hit the website on the first day of Gen Con, I suspect.
29/07/2008 20:35:22 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacob: So GenCon was a limit on how much you could put in the CS?
29/07/2008 20:35:23 ‹'› James Jacobs, :w00t::w00t:
29/07/2008 20:35:25 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I predict the web servers crying.
29/07/2008 20:35:28 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Actually, the FRCS 3.0 was underpriced. Gamers are spoiled.
29/07/2008 20:35:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, Markus kind of explained his comment a bit though.
29/07/2008 20:35:46 ‹Urza› James Jacobs.. it's a silly question, one you probably answer before but I gotta ask since I just read Jeff Grubb's blog, as someone that literally grew up playing D&D, what's it like to see so many of the "big" names starting to do work for Paizo; both on Pathfinder and Planet Stories?
29/07/2008 20:36:03 ‹James Jacobs› Also; a LOT has changed since the FRCS was published. It's not the same world today that it was then.
29/07/2008 20:36:17 ‹Absinth› I'm so exited about The Great Beyond! I can't wait 'till it comes out. I'm a sucker for Planes Books (okay, except for the Planar Handbook).
29/07/2008 20:36:19 ‹'› James Jacobs, agreed
29/07/2008 20:36:21 ‹Blazej› ? On the first day of Gen Con Paizo gave to me, one Beta PDF downloadable for free. ?
29/07/2008 20:36:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› I actually agree about prices. I had no problem paying for the higher priced hard cover Dragonlance books from MWP because they were high quality products, and they did come in at a higher price point (5-10) than comparable WOTC books.
29/07/2008 20:36:42 ‹'› "George Bush doesn't care about gamers."
29/07/2008 20:36:43 ‹Majuba› James: Heh - thanks - I learned that one in 1st edition a decade ago :). More... primary focus, best starting point for the PCs (I guess that's the Golden Goblin - that post Helped!)... Can one of them be a bouncer for the Golden Goblin?
29/07/2008 20:36:48 * ' is improper
29/07/2008 20:36:51 ‹Daigle› Nice, Blazej!
29/07/2008 20:36:55 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> We wanted to release the CS at Gen Con. We had a limited number of editors to make it happen. So yes, that was a concern. As it was, 256 pages was probably TOO MANY, since it required a lot of us to work, basically, two jobs for a month.
29/07/2008 20:37:05 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: They [wizards of the coast] deliberately chose to sell the 3.0 FR setting for under cost?
29/07/2008 20:37:12 ‹Ross› Lag..drowning in posts! Arrggh!
29/07/2008 20:37:12 ‹James Jacobs› Hang on... Nick Logue Phone Call...
29/07/2008 20:37:17 ‹Blazej› Daigle, thanks. :)
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29/07/2008 20:37:34 ‹Ross› James, Just tell logue to get on here.
29/07/2008 20:37:38 ‹Pygon› ooo... Paizo chat call in! Hi Nick!
29/07/2008 20:37:38 ‹yoda8myhead› there seem to be a lot of cancelations in response to the large release this month. Have there been significant enough new joiners to compensate?
29/07/2008 20:37:40 ‹BloodBought› lol
29/07/2008 20:37:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› Don't answer JJ!
29/07/2008 20:37:43 * ' waits patiently........improperly yet patiently
29/07/2008 20:37:49 ‹Absinth› lol
29/07/2008 20:37:51 ‹Mr Baron› was FRCS really sold below cost/
29/07/2008 20:37:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› It'll just be heavy breathing!
29/07/2008 20:38:10 ‹clight101› JJ just lost his soul well hatever was left of it anyways
29/07/2008 20:38:14 ‹Daigle› "It's a trap!"
29/07/2008 20:38:17 ‹Hill Giant› Charles Evans, If any game company can afford loss leaders it'll be WotC
29/07/2008 20:38:19 ‹Absinth› Cancelation? You mean subscribers, Yoda?
29/07/2008 20:38:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› Charles Evans, I'd bet that, compared to other books, the margin of profit on the FRCS was lower.
29/07/2008 20:38:23 ‹jmberaldo› hes probably calling to ask if he reallt has to go thru this hell of answering our questions ;)
29/07/2008 20:38:33 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, there was a rush of cancellations at the end of RotRL, too, since people wanted the AP and didn't need another one.
29/07/2008 20:38:45 ‹James Jacobs› Nick sez Hi from Hawaii!
29/07/2008 20:38:48 ‹Ross› The issue sis that new subs are silent. Cancellations post in Customer Service.
29/07/2008 20:38:49 ‹yoda8myhead› ah
29/07/2008 20:38:53 ‹Absinth› RS, lol, stop it, I spilled coffee all over my keyboard...:D
29/07/2008 20:38:57 ‹yoda8myhead› from Hawaii!?!
29/07/2008 20:39:05 ‹yoda8myhead› What's he doing there? put him back to work!
29/07/2008 20:39:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hi Nick in Hawaii . . .
29/07/2008 20:39:20 * ' say's hello from improperland
29/07/2008 20:39:25 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Tell him "HI" from the chatroom!
29/07/2008 20:39:33 ‹Ross› Any others for Wayfinder before I do an invite batch?
29/07/2008 20:39:36 ‹molrak› Uh oh, my sister is in Hawaii....
29/07/2008 20:39:41 ‹Absinth› Ross, Subs should always be silent...:)
29/07/2008 20:39:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› Probably doing shark god research for Sinister
29/07/2008 20:39:43 ‹clight101› That dude just gets around doesn't he
29/07/2008 20:39:49 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> It's a little weird getting big names working for Paizo, to tell the truth. I grew up reading Jeff Grubb and Rob Kuntz and Wolf Baur all them, and working with them now is a real rush! It's great!
29/07/2008 20:39:52 ‹Mr Baron› he is all over the place
29/07/2008 20:40:03 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Nice!
29/07/2008 20:40:23 ‹Charles Evans› I thought Nick had MOVED from Hawaii by now??? What is the old rogue doing back over there?
29/07/2008 20:40:36 ‹Ross› Absinth, that depends, doesn't it?:ohnoes::whipit:
29/07/2008 20:40:41 ‹Hill Giant› What's Nick Logue doing in Hawaii? I'm guessing terrorizing beach goers.
29/07/2008 20:40:43 ‹James Jacobs› Majuba> You'll definately want to check out the Second Darkness player's guide. You can't START as a bouncer for the Gold Goblin... but starting as a bouncer who recently lost his/her job and is looking for a new one at the Gold Goblin is great!
29/07/2008 20:40:46 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I'm looking forward to tasty drow-demon goodness in Second Darkness. Any tidbits you can sneak it?
29/07/2008 20:40:47 ‹Blazej› Hi Nick.
29/07/2008 20:40:49 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles Evans, avoiding the inevitable move to Seattle, when he'll be forced to work
29/07/2008 20:40:50 ‹Lilith› it = in
29/07/2008 20:41:04 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, probably visiting family
29/07/2008 20:41:07 ‹Majuba› James: Thanks! that's great!
29/07/2008 20:41:26 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda: As to subscribers, I noticed PResman posted he's cancelled his subscription because he doesn't like the side trek adventure dea.
29/07/2008 20:41:30 ‹Urza› my money is that nick got on the wrong plane... he flew right over seattle ;)
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29/07/2008 20:41:50 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 20:41:55 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: You mean Nick has family that he hasn't sacrificed to Zothilha yet?
29/07/2008 20:42:06 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> WotC is a MUCH larger company, and the FRCS had a built-in fan base decades strong. That's a VERY different thing than, basicially, launching a brand new campaign setting in the shadow of a new edition of the game. Different worlds. Comparing the FRCS to the PFCS is pointless.
29/07/2008 20:42:10 ‹Charles Evans› (not sure if i spelt that Olman deity right)
29/07/2008 20:42:14 ‹jmberaldo› Nick's in hawaii working on a new Pathfinder book about pirates and islandas and oola dancers!
29/07/2008 20:42:32 ‹Pygon› I guess Presman didn't buy that most of the path adventures already in one way or another have their own sidetreks already.
29/07/2008 20:42:34 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, probably. Zotzihala. based on Camazotz, called Zotzihala Chamalcan by the Quiche
29/07/2008 20:42:41 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I haven't actually been watching the numbers; I don't know if there's more cancellations vs. new stuff or not.
29/07/2008 20:42:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Speaking of the west coast . . . horrible time to think of this, but James, is there going to be any information about things like what parts of Golarion are more prone to earthquakes, weather phenomenon, etc?
29/07/2008 20:42:59 ‹Pygon› already redundant, redundant.
29/07/2008 20:43:03 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacbs: Ah... I keep frgetting, because I only really see the Paizo boads, the context that not som many people out there know about it yet.
29/07/2008 20:43:08 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, do you hope that the appeal of Drow will grab people's attention with this AP?
29/07/2008 20:43:23 ‹Urza› it's easy to sell the FRCS at a loss, WOTC banks on the next Realms supplement to pay loss... Monsters of Faerun and Magic of Faerun sold VERY well
29/07/2008 20:43:26 ‹James Jacobs› ALSO: Remember that a lot of the art in FRCS was black and white. That saved them a lot of money too.
29/07/2008 20:43:41 * Lilith notes that she needs to change the chatroom color scheme soon. :dance2:
29/07/2008 20:43:49 ‹Absinth› James, how many of the monthly PFs are going to subscribers? 20% or more?
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29/07/2008 20:44:09 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I suspect Nick's visiting family or something. Not srue.
29/07/2008 20:44:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› And with the art being black and white, it was harder to see when people forgot what hair color Fzoul actually had . . . ahem . . .
29/07/2008 20:44:17 ‹Majuba› Lilith: avoid the dark blue and black if possible? - nice on the book but...
29/07/2008 20:44:23 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I noticed that (the monchorme artwork) looking through it the other night...
29/07/2008 20:44:50 * BloodBought tries again.
29/07/2008 20:44:52 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Drow demon goodness... Hmmm... I can say that the main demon lord who'll be getting the most presence (in the form of minions) in the thing is Abraxus.
29/07/2008 20:44:52 ‹Pygon› Majuba - it will just be the margins <----
29/07/2008 20:44:57 ‹BloodBought› James Jacobs: I was wondering, since I haven't had much of a chance to read through the Golarion information, how difficult would it be to convert material intended for use in that setting over to a setting like Eberron?
29/07/2008 20:45:00 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 20:45:03 ‹Charles Evans› KnightErrantJR: You mean fzoul being depicted as blonde in the FRCS? :D
29/07/2008 20:45:19 ‹Kvantum› Abraxus>anything close the the Abraxus in GR's Book of Fiends?
29/07/2008 20:45:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yup, that would be what I was thinking . . . :lol:
29/07/2008 20:45:21 ‹Pygon› Abraxus? Weeee! :)
29/07/2008 20:45:23 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Nice! I have a backup server named Abraxas...:D
29/07/2008 20:45:27 ‹BloodBought› Charles: Isn't he a red-head or something in reality?
29/07/2008 20:45:30 ‹Pygon› he's not a snak, is he...
29/07/2008 20:45:35 ‹Pygon› *snake
29/07/2008 20:45:49 ‹Charles Evans› Bloddbought: That's why I posted ':D'
29/07/2008 20:45:53 ‹Lilith› I like Abraxas' depiction in The Book of Fiends - is that the direction you're going with?
29/07/2008 20:46:01 ‹jmberaldo› James> something came up on the board about Golarion's different style... I figured that the 3 first APs were on Varisia for its more "classic fantasy" feel, that now you could explore the more "un-classical" areas like Katapesh... Could that mean adventure modules on these "different" regions like Numeria, Irrisen, Druma, etc?
29/07/2008 20:46:07 ‹Majuba› hmm.. origin of "Abracadabra", neat
29/07/2008 20:46:11 ‹Lilith› Pygon, Abraxas is generally depected with snakey features...
29/07/2008 20:46:18 ‹Urza› it's amazing how the 4e books can have FEWER pages and use LESS colors... and still cost MORE then the 3e books :)
29/07/2008 20:46:29 ‹Pygon› Lilith - interesting...
29/07/2008 20:46:33 ‹Lilith› Pygon, generally snakey legs
29/07/2008 20:46:36 ‹BloodBought› Charles: I actually didn't know since I never really followed FR. I only thought he might be a red-head since I remember a vague mention of it in one of the few FR novels I've read
29/07/2008 20:46:36 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> We've got some work here and there about plate tectonics and weather patterns and all that in mind, but for now it's not really been much of a priority. Droskar's Crag is the largest active volcano in the region, and the Eye of Abendego's another big menace. Beyond that we haven't done TOO much...
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29/07/2008 20:46:43 ‹Lilith› And an eagle's head.
29/07/2008 20:46:41 ‹Charles Evans› Of course arguably Xvim/Bane may have messed around with his hair as mystra possibly occasionally did wth chosen.
29/07/2008 20:46:55 ‹Absinth› Hey Joey
29/07/2008 20:46:58 ‹Pygon› ok that's way off from my depiction :)
29/07/2008 20:47:17 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I absolutely hope that the drow will grab folks' attention. I suspect they will. If they don't... we've got 6 months of dud on our hands and that would be catastrophic.
29/07/2008 20:47:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, that's cool. I was wondering, too, if you go with more of a "Hollow Golarion" idea, that plate shift and the like change their dynamics a bit . . .
29/07/2008 20:47:46 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, just make a drizzt clone and your drow will be saved ;)
29/07/2008 20:47:56 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, I'll still subecribe
29/07/2008 20:48:02 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I'd guess that the number of pathfinders going to subscribers is between 40% and 60%.
29/07/2008 20:48:23 * ' changes his/her nickname to Viritoth the Pureblood
29/07/2008 20:48:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Charles Evans, "Fzoul, you have pleased me, and I've heard that blondes have more fun, THUS!"
29/07/2008 20:48:29 ‹Pygon› subscribing is such a better option.
29/07/2008 20:48:42 * Viritoth the Pureblood shall remain a charter superscriber
29/07/2008 20:48:43 ‹Urza› wowser... that a lot of direct sales for paizo
29/07/2008 20:48:52 ‹clight101› I don't think anyone will be too upset with the Drow of Golarion
29/07/2008 20:48:57 ‹Joey Virtue› Hello all
29/07/2008 20:49:04 ‹Pygon› hi Joey
29/07/2008 20:49:04 ‹James Jacobs› BloodBought> Converting stuff from Greyhawk or Forgotten Realms to Golarion should be pretty simple. Converting stuff from Eberron would be tougher though, since the flavor of that world's pretty different than "classic D&D".
29/07/2008 20:49:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey Joey
29/07/2008 20:49:04 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacbs: I received a reply for Paizo marketing, By the Way. Sadly it was 'Credit Card only'. I don't know what I'm going to do about getting APs after the current one finishes. :( Esdevium and my LGS do not seem to get on with one another With Regard To RPGs
29/07/2008 20:49:16 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah its dumb not to subscribe
29/07/2008 20:49:20 ‹Charles Evans› KnightErrantJr: :lol:
29/07/2008 20:49:24 ‹Joey Virtue› i dont even use my locla game store any more
29/07/2008 20:49:24 ‹jmberaldo› there is a rpg published here in brazil who released recently a new setting... they have been using a drizzt like char on nearly every cover. It HAS to be on purpose
29/07/2008 20:49:36 ‹jmberaldo› worse of all: it seems to be working :(
29/07/2008 20:49:42 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> We're probably going to go with a similar description of Abraxus as the Book of Fiends, but with only two snake legs and probably with a half-bat, half bird head.
29/07/2008 20:50:00 ‹Urza› Charles Evans, buy American Express or Visa gift cards... they're prepaid credit cards
29/07/2008 20:50:01 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 20:50:06 * psymin ponders snake legs.
29/07/2008 20:50:11 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, that's a really large fraction. Does that make you worried about market penetration?
29/07/2008 20:50:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› So . . . will Abraxus be making a more . . . personal appearance?
29/07/2008 20:50:20 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, NEAT. :) I really like the pictures in The Book of Fiends by MacBin. :D
29/07/2008 20:50:25 ‹Ross› Or whatever the proper term is. I'm not a business major.
29/07/2008 20:50:26 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Katapesh is classic fantasy though. Arabian Nights is quite classic, as was the Desert of Desolation series back in the day. It'll still feel like D&D, is what I'm saying.
29/07/2008 20:50:36 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: There was a thread discussing 'should negative energy automaticvally equal evil' on one of the Alpha forums, I think. Are all vampires automatically evil on Golarion?
29/07/2008 20:50:46 ‹James Jacobs› But we'll certainly be branching out to places like Numeria and Irrisen and the like eventually.
29/07/2008 20:50:56 ‹Rambling Scribe› I've recently dropped my subscription. Unfortunately with the increase in shipping it is no longer cost effective. Actually it never was, but the free pdfs kept me on board for a long time. Now it's become so much cheaper to buy them locally that I can't continue subscribing. But I'm still buying...
29/07/2008 20:51:01 ‹Joey Virtue› JamesSo will the stuff be shipped before gen con if it gets in in time?
29/07/2008 20:51:10 ‹Eyebite› Alright, I'm out early. G'night all!
29/07/2008 20:51:16 ‹Pygon› bye Eyebite
29/07/2008 20:51:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Eyebite
29/07/2008 20:51:19 ‹Lilith› Pygon: An old illo of Abraxas here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraxas
29/07/2008 20:51:23 ‹Charles Evans› Urza: I really do not like the notion of credit cards at all.
29/07/2008 20:51:26 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Eyebite!
29/07/2008 20:51:29 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Eyebite!
29/07/2008 20:51:33 ‹Lilith› Night Eyebite! :glomp:
29/07/2008 20:51:38 ‹Charles Evans› goodnight Eyebite.
29/07/2008 20:51:42 ‹Pygon› excellent - thanks Lilith
29/07/2008 20:51:45 ‹clight101› nite eyebite
29/07/2008 20:51:47 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> The entire planet isn't hollow. It's filled with fire and molten metal, like Earth. But there ARE some pretty vast "hollow world" style vaults deep underground; they're detailed a LOT in the upcomgin "Into the Darklands" book.
29/07/2008 20:51:55 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› James Jacobs, will AP#5 be called Rise of the Pureblood?
29/07/2008 20:52:06 ‹jmberaldo› I guess my "unclassic" feel has to do with the Arcane-like traders im Katapesh ;)
29/07/2008 20:52:09 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› it can be all about the mighty kobolds
29/07/2008 20:52:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Cool. That should make for some interesting exploring.
20:52:23 ‹Absinth› jmberaldo, do you have a link for the brazilian RPG you mentioned?
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29/07/2008 20:52:35 ‹Urza› Charles Evans, but they're not really credit cards... it's just a gift card that has $50 on it for you to spend.. you've already paid the $50 to visa.. now you gift gotta swipe it through something... who better to swipe it with then Paizo?
29/07/2008 20:52:40 ‹jmberaldo› Sure. Just a sec
29/07/2008 20:52:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› jmberaldo, could also remind you of the original Bazar of the Bizarre from Fafhrd and Mouser . . .
29/07/2008 20:52:56 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah... overseas stuff is always fraught with peril. I ordered a subscription to Fortean Times from across the pond, and I only ever recieved about half of my issues.
29/07/2008 20:52:59 ‹jmberaldo› (oh, the artwork sucks compared with other stuff ive seen and worked with :P)
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29/07/2008 20:53:17 ‹jmberaldo› Knight> Sure it does!
29/07/2008 20:53:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› And Fafhrd and Mouser are VERY classic D&D, since they seem to be the godfathers of theives and rogues . . .
29/07/2008 20:53:29 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, does Golarion have a sunless sea?
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29/07/2008 20:53:45 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> It somewhat worries me about market penetration... but at the same point it's the secret to Pathfinder's success that there are so many subscribers. It gives us a VERY nice cushion ,.
29/07/2008 20:54:07 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Since Abraxus is probaly around CR 30 or so, and the AP tops out at level 15 or so... he won't be showing up.
29/07/2008 20:54:09 ‹Charles Evans› Hill Giant: Wasn't there a Sunless Sea in CS Lewis' The Silver Chair?
29/07/2008 20:54:21 ‹Pygon› :(
29/07/2008 20:54:21 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles Evans, yes
29/07/2008 20:54:26 ‹Absinth› I heard Charles Manson referred to himself as Abraxas...
29/07/2008 20:54:29 ‹jmberaldo› James> Talking about the eyes of Abendego... Im have been scribbling an AP idea around the Shackles and the Sodden lands... and comes the question: would if be ok if I made free downloadable adventures on my website using the pathfinder setting (with all proper credits, of course!)
29/07/2008 20:54:31 ‹Urza› all i know is vampires better be automatically evil... don't need any good emo vampires running around golarion's hell mouth trying to stop the end of the world! that's one "something for everyone" i can do without!
29/07/2008 20:54:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, I figured that. I'm glad he's that powerful . . . just curious . . . ;-)
29/07/2008 20:54:58 ‹Kvantum› James>so the demon princes are on the order of the demigods? (AP 2's Red Mantis demigod is CR 30)
29/07/2008 20:55:00 ‹spamhammer› Urza's killing my paizo proposal!
29/07/2008 20:55:15 ‹Urza› spamhammer, good
29/07/2008 20:55:20 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Negative energy does not = evil, any more than poison = evil. But negative energy certainly works better for evil purposes than positive energy. As for non-evil undead... they probably exist, but they're VERY rare. We don't have many angst-ridden good-guy vampires, in other words.
29/07/2008 20:55:21 ‹Daigle› :lol:
29/07/2008 20:55:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . Angel is the Drizzt of Vampires . . .
29/07/2008 20:55:32 ‹jmberaldo› Absinth> http://conclaveweb.com.br/cata...te1.jpg
29/07/2008 20:55:36 ‹jmberaldo› Absinth> http://conclaveweb.com.br/cata...6a55b63
29/07/2008 20:55:37 ‹spamhammer› but it has good vampires! and Kristen Stewart!
29/07/2008 20:55:42 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> We'll be starting to ship some of the stuff this week, i hear.
29/07/2008 20:55:51 ‹spamhammer› It'll sell!
29/07/2008 20:55:53 ‹Absinth› Thanks, jmberaldo!
29/07/2008 20:55:58 * Daigle notes he said 'many'.
29/07/2008 20:55:59 ‹Urza› spamhammer, no no no
29/07/2008 20:56:02 ‹psymin› jmberaldo> I believe Paizo wants to keep Golorian as their playground.
29/07/2008 20:56:02 ‹Joey Virtue› Did i get the boot?
29/07/2008 20:56:09 ‹spamhammer› drat!
29/07/2008 20:56:10 ‹Urza› KEJ.. that's exactly why i'm against it!
29/07/2008 20:56:11 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, that's exactly what I wanted to hear re: negative energy and undead. What about Necromancy and cure spells? In your opinion, should cure spells go back to necromancy?
29/07/2008 20:56:28 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> Yes. There are large underground lakes and even at least one ocean in the Darklands.
29/07/2008 20:56:28 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› Joey Virtue, no, some people just time out randomly
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29/07/2008 20:57:11 ‹Daigle› No boot from us, Joey.
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29/07/2008 20:57:20 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: all you need to do to get Fortean Times, is get someone in the UK to buy it for you, and for Nick Logue to collect twelve months worth every time he comes across to Gen Con UK....:D
29/07/2008 20:57:23 ‹Pygon› hi Wyvern
29/07/2008 20:57:24 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wyvern
29/07/2008 20:57:47 ‹Absinth› Is there a boot feature in this chat?! :ohnoes:
29/07/2008 20:57:48 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> I'm not sure; we're working on a fan-site license type thingy. I suspect that Golarion adventures would be okay... but we don't have it all worked out yet so don't take my word on it. Keep an eye on our website though for the anouncement when it comes (or keep asking about it here, of course!).
29/07/2008 20:57:50 ‹Wyvern› Hey guys
29/07/2008 20:57:58 * Lilith is not surprised that James Jacobs subscribes to Fortean Times.
29/07/2008 20:57:59 ‹James Jacobs› Kvantum> Yes. Demon princes are indeed demigods.
29/07/2008 20:58:03 ‹Urza› who'd win in a fight... Angel from Buffy the Vamprie Slayer or Drizzt from the Forgotten Realms... NEITHER! they'd hug and cry on eachother's shoulders... Angel about how he can't get it on with Buffy... and Drizzt about how he's so uncomfortale around girls and just wants his daddy
29/07/2008 20:58:13 ‹Lilith› Wyvern, how goes it! :glomp:
29/07/2008 20:58:18 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: Have you read the PFS adventures? Any comments?
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29/07/2008 20:58:22 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› Urza, :rofl:
29/07/2008 20:58:26 ‹Charles Evans› Urza: Lol:
29/07/2008 20:58:39 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, IIRC, it was that it takes at least a demigod to kill a god, and so on down the chain?
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29/07/2008 20:58:55 ‹Hill Giant› Seeing as how "good" in D&D is about the promotion of life, negative energy as the antithesis of life seems pretty evil to me.
29/07/2008 20:59:05 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Nah; I'm okay with cure spells being conjuration. The concept of reversable spells and the connotations there are pretty much gone, and I don't really miss them NEAR as much as I thought I would.
29/07/2008 20:59:13 ‹jmberaldo› Ive been toying with some ideas about the meaning of undeads... Since there are too many, and not a few that are simply variants of the classic ones. Im taking note to write an article about the "true" origin of wights... Raise Dead and Ressurrection spells gone wrong ;)
29/07/2008 20:59:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› But negative energy doesn't have a sentience or an agenda . . .
29/07/2008 20:59:33 ‹Rambling Scribe› HG: Good in D&D is about killing goblins and taking their stuff...
29/07/2008 20:59:49 ‹Pygon› HG - yet in the Positive Material plane you tend to explode, so there are sides to each coin :)
29/07/2008 20:59:51 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› well, time to crash all
29/07/2008 20:59:55 ‹Majuba› Urza: Angelus after they have a moment of pure happiness together?
29/07/2008 20:59:56 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› have a good night
29/07/2008 20:59:58 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe, or rescuing scantily clad princesses from the ebil dragon. :P
29/07/2008 21:00:01 ‹Pygon› gnite Justin
29/07/2008 21:00:03 ‹Ross› Hill Giant, I'd argue that Good is about altruism and Evil is about selfishness.
29/07/2008 21:00:09 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Viritith
29/07/2008 21:00:11 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› James, 'twas good to hear from you tonight
29/07/2008 21:00:16 ‹Blazej› Eureka!
29/07/2008 21:00:16 ‹Absinth› Night, Viritoth...
29/07/2008 21:00:16 ‹spamhammer› 'night
29/07/2008 21:00:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, for the record my wife loves the idea of goblins raising their children in cages, and this is from a non RPGer (though still a geek)
29/07/2008 21:00:20 ‹James Jacobs› Rambling> I've approved the basic plots for the PFS adventrues, and the art, and I've had Sean and Chris (the two new developers/editors) do passes on them. I have not yet read them, though. I hope to be able to do so before Gen Con... but I might not get the chance.
29/07/2008 21:00:28 * Lilith pets Viritoth the Pureblood. "There's a good minion."
29/07/2008 21:00:38 ‹Urza› Lilith, i like your version of D&D a lot beter :)
29/07/2008 21:00:48 * Viritoth the Pureblood bows before the Great Mistress Lilith the Creator
29/07/2008 21:00:51 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> How difficult is it for a new company to have products sold in the Paizo store?
29/07/2008 21:00:55 ‹Dorgar› night Viri
29/07/2008 21:00:55 ‹Lilith› Urza, :P
29/07/2008 21:01:03 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Correct. A demigod can probably kill a god... MAYBE. Mostly, to kill a god you need to be a god as well, or you need some sort of really rare and once in a billion lifetimes event to back you up.
29/07/2008 21:01:08 ‹Ross› psymin, good question!
29/07/2008 21:01:21 * Viritoth the Pureblood changes his/her nickname to Justin the :sleep:er
29/07/2008 21:01:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› Probably a pretty broad question here, but is it comparable in cost to have multiple artists do a product, or is it more economical (but just not feasable due to time most of the time) to have one artist do a project?
29/07/2008 21:01:38 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 21:01:42 ‹James Jacobs› Yup! Seeya Viritoth!
29/07/2008 21:01:55 ‹Majuba› Knight: my players thought that was wierd.. but fed Bruthasmus to them!
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29/07/2008 21:02:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
29/07/2008 21:02:17 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, interesting question
29/07/2008 21:02:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› Thanks Lilith
29/07/2008 21:02:34 ‹James Jacobs› Psymin> If a new company gets their product into the Alliance distributor, it's automatic. Otherwise... getting into the Paizo store is... hmm. I have no idea how that works, honestly.
29/07/2008 21:02:53 * Yasha :sleep: pops in to show James more Gecko! http://i213.photobucket.com/al...nte.jpg
29/07/2008 21:03:07 * Charles Evans waves at Yasha
29/07/2008 21:03:13 ‹Lilith› Yasha! :glomp: Dante is sooooo cute! :squee:
29/07/2008 21:03:17 ‹Yasha :sleep:› Night guys. We are gaming now over here. :mrgreen: Nice seeing you James!
29/07/2008 21:03:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Yasha
29/07/2008 21:03:28 ‹yoda8myhead› psymin, Xez stops in all the time during the day. I'm sure he'd know, being the Online Sales Coordinator and all
29/07/2008 21:03:28 ‹Daigle› Night, Yasha!
29/07/2008 21:03:33 ‹Pygon› bye Yasha
29/07/2008 21:03:36 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> We operate on relatively tight deadlines, and as a result that's usually too much art for one artist to produce. Splitting the load between different artists is the only real choice.
29/07/2008 21:03:38 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Yasha.
29/07/2008 21:03:39 ‹James Jacobs› GECKO!!!!!!!!
29/07/2008 21:03:55 ‹Yasha :sleep:› Heya Charles, Luna is staring daggers, so I must get back to her running roughshod over the poor fools of Absalom,
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29/07/2008 21:03:57 ‹psymin› yoda8myhead> good idea, thanks
29/07/2008 21:04:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, I kind of figured that.
29/07/2008 21:04:08 ‹James Jacobs› By Yasha!
29/07/2008 21:04:13 ‹James Jacobs› BYE Yasha, that is.
29/07/2008 21:04:24 ‹Daigle› Tell Luna we said "Hi!"
29/07/2008 21:04:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› By Yasha farewell post!
29/07/2008 21:04:37 ‹James Jacobs› Whew. Caught up. I can now spare a few seconds to grab food.
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29/07/2008 21:04:47 ‹Yasha :sleep:› Night. I look forward to when Gecko Day comes to you James. In case I don't see you until then, good luck at GenCon. I voted!
29/07/2008 21:04:50 ‹jmberaldo› hehehe
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29/07/2008 21:04:59 ‹yoda8myhead› quick, more questions while JJ is away!!!!!
29/07/2008 21:05:00 ‹Rambling Scribe› Quick! more questions! :whipit:
29/07/2008 21:05:03 ‹Daigle› Mothy!
29/07/2008 21:05:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
29/07/2008 21:05:13 ‹Link Monkey› http://graphjam.com/2008/04/30...attack/
29/07/2008 21:05:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Moth!
29/07/2008 21:05:36 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Which nation in Golarion makes the best steel? (Since Rambling Scribe told me to ask.)
29/07/2008 21:05:36 ‹Lilith› MOTHMAN! :glomp:
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29/07/2008 21:05:50 ‹spamhammer› It really bothers me that someone made a crackwhip smiley, let alone that it's used in this chatroom
29/07/2008 21:06:03 ‹Daigle› :lol:
29/07/2008 21:06:08 ‹jmberaldo› James> When your back, did by any miracle you get the chance to read the two Golarion tales I posted on the forum? ;)
29/07/2008 21:06:15 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: Will Paizo give out free samples of d20 soap at Gen Con to customers who really need it?
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29/07/2008 21:06:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› :whipit: We should get right on people not using it . . . now . . . :whipit:
29/07/2008 21:06:27 ‹Mothman› Hey Daigle, hey KEJR!
29/07/2008 21:06:30 * psymin snickers.
29/07/2008 21:06:35 ‹jmberaldo› Mmm... d20 soap...
29/07/2008 21:06:35 ‹Dorgar› lol scribe
29/07/2008 21:06:49 ‹Mothman› Lilith! I think we're Facebook friends now!
29/07/2008 21:06:53 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: And Is Mithral an element, an alloy, or something weird that alchemists cook up in their labs? What about Mithril (see Tolkien)?
29/07/2008 21:06:56 ‹Pygon› Scribe - that might be a good opportunity to make one of those dry decontamination chambers
29/07/2008 21:07:05 ‹Mothman› urg ... lag....
29/07/2008 21:07:06 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I have no idea what nation is best at making steel. If you go with the Dwarves, then it's the Five Kings Mountains, and Andoran and Galt and Razmirran and a few others are at ground zero there.
29/07/2008 21:07:18 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 21:07:26 ‹James Jacobs› Mithral is a metal that can be pulled out of the ground.
29/07/2008 21:07:43 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo>Alas... haven't had the chance to read the Golarion tales.
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29/07/2008 21:07:57 ‹Lilith› Mothman, :woot:
29/07/2008 21:07:57 ‹spamhammer› I was just reading about Numeria today
29/07/2008 21:08:19 ‹spamhammer› their steel bring all the boys to the yard.
29/07/2008 21:08:20 ‹Blazej› NUMERIA!
29/07/2008 21:08:26 ‹Mr Baron› In Fantasy, I would go with Mithral = element
29/07/2008 21:08:31 ‹Majuba› since it can be forged at high temperatures, its probably an element
29/07/2008 21:08:33 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe, are you looking for the Damascus equivalent or something? :P
29/07/2008 21:08:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Interesting place Numeria . . . I wonder how long they can keep up a metal trade based on a crashed captial ship?
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29/07/2008 21:08:45 ‹Absinth› Is there a difference between Mithral and Mithril?
29/07/2008 21:08:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› One is part of the Tolkien estate?
29/07/2008 21:09:07 ‹James Jacobs› One's the way Tolkien spells it, one's the way D&D spells it.
29/07/2008 21:09:09 ‹Rambling Scribe› Lilith: That was CE's question, but I was thinking along the same lines.
29/07/2008 21:09:20 ‹Absinth› Yes, I thought that would be the only difference
29/07/2008 21:09:28 ‹spamhammer› I'm sure there are wizards in Numeria with horrifying graphs about the perils of Peak Alien Metal
29/07/2008 21:09:32 ‹Dorgar› James wanna tell us anything about the changes being made in beta to cleric domains, specialty schools, or sorcerer abilities?
29/07/2008 21:09:59 ‹psymin› oh yes, Beta spoilers!
29/07/2008 21:10:09 ‹Absinth› KEJr, I guess the starship is really BIG...
29/07/2008 21:10:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm interested to see if there are any forthcoming rules about accidentally radioactive items that PCs might buy from a Numerian trader . . .
29/07/2008 21:10:26 ‹James Jacobs› Dorgar> The beta doesn't make many changes at all to domains, schools, or sorcerer abilities, actually. They're pretty close to the alpha. If not the same. We still wanna playtest them, in other words, but are pretty happy with where they're heading.
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29/07/2008 21:10:45 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> Will there be a Monster Manual for the Beta .. or for the Final?
29/07/2008 21:10:50 ‹BM› Yes. Please give Beta Spoilers.
29/07/2008 21:11:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› Absinth, "That's no moon, that's a long term resource to build an economy on."
29/07/2008 21:11:17 ‹James Jacobs› Aside from the new content (spells & stuff), there's actually not a lot of changes between the alpha and the Beta. Little changes here and there, sure, but not BIG SWEEPING CHANGES.
29/07/2008 21:11:18 ‹spamhammer› heh
29/07/2008 21:11:27 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> The crashed starship is Star Destroyer big.
29/07/2008 21:11:28 ‹Dorgar› ok thx
29/07/2008 21:11:36 ‹spamhammer› Screw it
29/07/2008 21:11:38 ‹Absinth› Will the chase rules from CotC be the official chase rules? Will they be in the PFRPG book? I think they're great!
29/07/2008 21:11:50 ‹spamhammer› I'm making numeria home to a dead Death Star
29/07/2008 21:12:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› Can't wait for PCs to start finding white ceremetal armor . . .
29/07/2008 21:12:05 ‹James Jacobs› psymin> We might indeed throw out some beta monsters in a few months, but we won't release a "Beta Monster Manual."
29/07/2008 21:12:14 ‹James Jacobs› There will be one for the final game, though.
29/07/2008 21:12:18 ‹James Jacobs› Not sure when or where or how.
29/07/2008 21:12:28 ‹Ross› spamhammer, Golarion is Yavin? Or Endor? (What is it with the rebels and building bases on moons around gas giants?)
29/07/2008 21:12:34 ‹jmberaldo› Mmm... maybe Katapesh's traders came on the Numerian ship and now started a market to find the parts they need to phone home! Thats what Legacy of Fire is all about! Hah-ha!
29/07/2008 21:12:43 ‹Dorgar› yup chase rules were awsome best I have seen I believe
29/07/2008 21:12:49 ‹spamhammer› Endor
29/07/2008 21:12:58 ‹spamhammer› more isolated
29/07/2008 21:13:00 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> The chase rules, and the haunt rules, and a few other rules MIGHT end up in the final book. I like them. I hope they are.
29/07/2008 21:13:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› KEJ: That stuff actually gives a penalty to AC though...
29/07/2008 21:13:04 ‹jmberaldo› Watchout for the ewoks. they must be CR 30 apiece
29/07/2008 21:13:11 ‹BM› JJ I would suggest having some scenrios that people can play through and give feedback on, specificly to test certain things.
29/07/2008 21:13:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› I suddenly got a picture of Numerian halflings wearing brown robes and having light bulbs for eyes . . .
29/07/2008 21:13:30 ‹Ross› KnightErrantJR, Jawas!
29/07/2008 21:13:32 ‹jmberaldo› heheh
29/07/2008 21:13:34 ‹Mr Baron› Any spoilers that you can share on Legacy of Fire?
29/07/2008 21:13:35 ‹Absinth› Before that, I found the Chase rules from PP's Five Fingers to be the best, but CotC beat those...
29/07/2008 21:13:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› Rambling Scribe, only if a PC is shooting at you . . .
29/07/2008 21:13:54 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> When does Paizo want 3PP to release material compatible with Pathfinder RPG? No earlier than Gencon 2009 I assume .. think it'll be much later than that?
29/07/2008 21:14:01 ‹jmberaldo› Mr Baron> Truth has been revealed. Its all about ET wanting to phone home
29/07/2008 21:14:03 ‹James Jacobs› BM> Some scenarios might be cool. We're still working out how the playtest itself is gonna be handled...
29/07/2008 21:14:17 ‹Pygon› there was a chase scene in Demonweb Pits, but they didn't seem flexible enough.
29/07/2008 21:14:26 ‹Pygon› (the rules)
29/07/2008 21:14:39 ‹James Jacobs› Legacy of Fire spoilers... not many yet, since writing hasn't officially started on the adventures.
29/07/2008 21:14:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› I liked the chase rules in Kobold Quarterly a couple of issues back.
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29/07/2008 21:15:43 ‹James Jacobs› Psymin> We don't want any 3rd party PFRPG products until August of 2009. The beta's not a final game, and 3PP stuff shouldn't use it.
29/07/2008 21:16:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, will the upcoming Dragons Revisited have any "new" dragon types covered beyond the chromatic and metallic . . . I mean dragons already in Pathfinder, like the Umbral Dragon
29/07/2008 21:16:08 ‹psymin› so you expect 3pp in August 2009?
29/07/2008 21:16:17 ‹James Jacobs› At the earliest, yes.
29/07/2008 21:16:25 * psymin chuckles.
29/07/2008 21:16:41 ‹James Jacobs› And assuming interest remains high.
29/07/2008 21:17:02 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, but some 3pp want to use it NOW NOW NOW! :P
29/07/2008 21:17:04 ‹Dorgar› night gang, Thx James, and see some of you tomorrow for the PFS chat:D
29/07/2008 21:17:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› We'll beat them into submission for you James . . .
29/07/2008 21:17:17 ‹Daigle› Speaking of dragons, how do you feel about dragon types like linnorms and drakes as opposed to new age category dragons?
29/07/2008 21:17:20 ‹Pygon› gnite Dorgar
21:17:29 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, my interest remains high!
29/07/2008 21:17:35 ‹Lilith› Daigle, good question! :D
29/07/2008 21:17:37 ‹Mr Baron› I would like to see some new dragons in the book!
29/07/2008 21:17:57 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> I actually think age categories are bad and should go away, honestly. For new dragons like drakes and linnorms they won't be a part of the scene at all. If I have my way.
29/07/2008 21:18:12 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> Do you know if the 'full conversion' rules changed from Alpha 3 to Beta?
29/07/2008 21:18:15 ‹Absinth› I guess Linnorms in Golarion should be a no-brainer, as there is a region named after them...
29/07/2008 21:18:33 * Dorgar quit
29/07/2008 21:18:36 ‹James Jacobs› psymin> I don't know off the top of my head, but I suspect there's no change.
29/07/2008 21:18:42 * Russ is watching Eureka!
29/07/2008 21:18:46 * psymin nods.
29/07/2008 21:18:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› I like them for traditions sake, but given that 3rd and 3.5 monsters can advance in hit die, etc, it is kind of redundant.
29/07/2008 21:19:18 * Samwise is watching Eureka too
29/07/2008 21:19:20 ‹Russ› I like age categories, but they make new dragons too much of a pain to make, and dragons without them seem fake as a result
29/07/2008 21:19:44 ‹Russ› There's a fairly big difference between advancing by age and by HD, namely the acquiring of age-specific powers
29/07/2008 21:19:51 * Majuba ditto's Russ
29/07/2008 21:19:58 ‹James Jacobs› If I had my druthers... I'd just do dragons like other monsters, starting each at the "ADULT" stage and then let the advancement rules handle the rest, with a few notes about how breath weapons and the like advance.
29/07/2008 21:19:58 * Daigle nods.
29/07/2008 21:20:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Or at least ones that don't have them aren't in the "elite" club of "real" dragons.
29/07/2008 21:20:13 ‹Absinth› I like the age categories too, I can't think of any other way to represent their long life-span and the fact that they grow more powerful as they age.
29/07/2008 21:20:14 ‹Russ› I like baby dragons. :)
29/07/2008 21:20:22 ‹Kvantum› you could just create a "class" for each type of dragon, listing when each ability is gained for a given HD advancement apttern
29/07/2008 21:20:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› Russ, I agree, sort of, but it is a similar mechanic that overlaps a good deal.
29/07/2008 21:20:44 ‹Samwise› cr 1 dragons are cool
29/07/2008 21:20:49 ‹Samwise› fight a dragon at every level!
29/07/2008 21:20:51 ‹Absinth› Kvantum, that might be a solution...
29/07/2008 21:20:52 ‹James Jacobs› But doing so would mostly cut out the lower CR younger dragons. Which is good, since it forces the dragons into roles of BIG monsters. We'd make new dragons like drakes and wyverns for the sub CR 8 spots. BUT: I'm the only one at Paizo who likes that Idea, I think... so I'm pretty sure age categories are staying.
29/07/2008 21:21:21 ‹BM› I like the age categories.... I like you can have young dragons that have yet to gain all their powers, and big old ones with more power then they know what to do with.
29/07/2008 21:21:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Plus, cutting out age categories does work against backwards compatibility a bit.
29/07/2008 21:21:32 ‹Majuba› James: seems getting rid of them could be a pretty strong counter-backwards compatibility thing
29/07/2008 21:21:37 * Kvantum quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 21:21:52 * Majuba laughs with/at Knight
29/07/2008 21:21:55 ‹Daigle› James, what is it that you dislike about critters like linnorms and drakes? (If I read your response correctly)
29/07/2008 21:21:58 ‹psymin› Majuba> good point
29/07/2008 21:22:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› heh
29/07/2008 21:22:18 ‹James Jacobs› Majuba> Sort of. The other editions' baby dragons would still work, though.
29/07/2008 21:22:19 * Absinth quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 21:22:22 ‹Majuba› dislikes age categories for them Daigle
29/07/2008 21:22:27 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> I like linnorms and drakes a lot!
29/07/2008 21:22:28 ‹Blazej› Would it just mean that you wouldn't see age category dragons any more
29/07/2008 21:22:29 ‹psymin› KnightErrantJR> .. erm .. good point too :)
29/07/2008 21:22:33 ‹James Jacobs› I don't want them to have age categories.
29/07/2008 21:22:34 ‹Russ› James - I don't like the "throw one baby at a low level party" meme, but I like baby dragons as a concept. Particularly since they just own NPC classes (like the princess in dragonslayers)
29/07/2008 21:22:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
29/07/2008 21:22:41 ‹Daigle› Okay, I read poorly. :)
29/07/2008 21:22:54 ‹BM› I wished more monsters where along that line, with younger ones having less powers then full grown adults.
29/07/2008 21:23:17 ‹James Jacobs› Also; illustrating PCs fighting baby dragons makes for weird stuff. It tends to make the PCs look like giants.
29/07/2008 21:23:18 * Timitius joins Main
29/07/2008 21:23:30 ‹Blazej› It is not that big of a backwards compatibility since you can still have the younger dragons, just they wouldn't be statted anymore in new monster supplements.
29/07/2008 21:23:32 ‹Daigle› Lacking age categories is what those critters are all about. :) They make it easy to create new types of dragons without getting involved with all the category business.
29/07/2008 21:23:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› It does set up some philosophical issues though, such as why dragons become decidedly evil very early on . . .
29/07/2008 21:23:53 ‹Pygon› I portrayed the little white one like a mad cat. The PCs were afraid to touch it :)
29/07/2008 21:24:00 ‹Pygon› in Sunless Citadel
29/07/2008 21:24:02 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 21:24:05 ‹Daigle› Baby dragons just make PCs want to have one, and dragons should not be pets, in my opinion.
29/07/2008 21:24:10 ‹jmberaldo› and if you make the baby dragons look cute, the PCs are just even peple ;)
29/07/2008 21:24:11 ‹Ross› KnightErrantJR, not really. A red dragon is born CE the same way a demon is.
29/07/2008 21:24:17 ‹BM› I like baby Dragons just because baby dragons are useful when you want the party to meet a Dragon NPC that is most likey going to be friendly, but not upset the power balance of the group.
29/07/2008 21:24:24 ‹James Jacobs› ALSO: lower CR dragons encourage "throwaway" dragons at higher levels. And that's something that customers have LOUDLY proclaimed to be Bad.
29/07/2008 21:24:27 ‹jmberaldo› er mean... evil
29/07/2008 21:24:27 ‹Ross› Daigle, then you might want to get rid of pseudodragons.
29/07/2008 21:24:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› See, I have a hard time with dragons being as "primordial" as outsiders, for example, but I don't want to get off on that topic at this time.
29/07/2008 21:24:47 ‹Daigle› Nah, those guys are cool. They're never gonn be huge monsters
29/07/2008 21:25:06 ‹Wyvern› Don't mess with pseudodragons
29/07/2008 21:25:08 ‹Lilith› Daigle, Indeterminate Growth! They can be! :woot: It worked for my kobolds. :P
29/07/2008 21:25:13 ‹Majuba› hey Ross - I'd be willing to work on Monster conversions to post to the PFSRD site.
29/07/2008 21:25:19 ‹Daigle› :lol:
29/07/2008 21:25:26 ‹jmberaldo› James> Im enjoying my last days of vacation working on my english portfolio (since I'm an unknown outside brazil). So, straight forward question: what would you want to see about an unknown content designer / fiction writer / adventure writer to consider him for work/freelancing?
29/07/2008 21:25:30 ‹psymin› Ross> Me too :P
29/07/2008 21:25:47 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 21:25:55 ‹yoda8myhead› Majuba, the Pathfinder Wiki has a conversion section, and you can post them there now!
29/07/2008 21:26:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, are any of the adventure paths going to "visit" the other continents, even breifly, just to sort of preview them?
29/07/2008 21:26:13 ‹Ross› Majuba, you're reading the FAQ! When the Beta comes out, you and psymin should email me at webmaster@pfsrd.org and we can work something out.
29/07/2008 21:26:40 ‹psymin› When the beta comes out I plan on having the SRD monsters converted
29/07/2008 21:26:42 * Charles Evans joins Main
29/07/2008 21:27:09 ‹Absinth› James, I still hope to see the "Race Across The Crown Of The World"-AP...
29/07/2008 21:27:27 ‹Majuba› need to coordinate - tkx Yoda
29/07/2008 21:27:39 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Unfortunately at this time... we don't really have the resources to do much with unpublished/unknown designers. The best thing there is to take part in the n ext RPG superstar contest, or to take part in some of the open call stuff we'll be doing eventually.
29/07/2008 21:27:41 ‹Charles Evans› I seem to have just acquired the 'Zuten' Cookie from somewhere. Sorry about the timeout.
29/07/2008 21:27:58 ‹Russ› So where do adult dragonscome from?
29/07/2008 21:28:05 ‹BM› I might convert some monsters myself. I post some if there is any desire for me to do some.
29/07/2008 21:28:15 ‹James Jacobs› And then, once you DO have a resume of published work, start sending in a resume or something.
29/07/2008 21:28:27 ‹Russ› One of my favorite things in the old G1 was the hill giant children (basically ogres)
29/07/2008 21:28:30 ‹Daigle› Well, when two dragons love each other very very much....
29/07/2008 21:28:44 ‹Absinth› lol @ Daigle
29/07/2008 21:28:49 ‹Lilith› jmberaldo, check EnWorld for Open Calls/job vacancies. There's a forum just for that
29/07/2008 21:28:50 ‹jmberaldo› Actually, i was told of RPG superstar, but it says if you work for a game company, you cant apply
29/07/2008 21:28:51 ‹Mothman› They come from eggs
29/07/2008 21:28:55 ‹Charles Evans› Now exterminated. This chatroom doesn't seem to be the source for it.
29/07/2008 21:28:56 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Same place adult ropers, adult deinonychuses, adult wyverns, and adult athachs come from.
29/07/2008 21:29:08 ‹Mothman› eggs?
29/07/2008 21:29:12 ‹spamhammer› the monster manual?
29/07/2008 21:29:16 ‹Daigle› :lol:
29/07/2008 21:29:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› Abiogenisis?
29/07/2008 21:29:23 ‹Charles Evans› I don't know if it came from the aizo site of Giant in the Playground... the only other two sites I've been tonight.... :-?
29/07/2008 21:29:23 ‹jmberaldo› Im the game designer responsible for a sci-fi mmo... i figured that means I cant try :P
29/07/2008 21:29:24 ‹BM› Myth?
29/07/2008 21:29:24 ‹yoda8myhead› jmberaldo, what do you do for a game company?
29/07/2008 21:29:26 ‹Mothman› Spamhammer: :-D
29/07/2008 21:29:26 ‹Russ› Be nice to have reverse-advancement rules, actually
29/07/2008 21:29:31 ‹Hill Giant› Cleveland?
29/07/2008 21:29:32 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, I was just thinking of that...
29/07/2008 21:29:34 ‹yoda8myhead› what came first, the dragon or the egg?
29/07/2008 21:29:38 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Yes; adventure paths will indeed visit some exotic locations. You can expect this to happen more in the modules, though.
29/07/2008 21:29:42 ‹BM› Russ, Argeed.
29/07/2008 21:29:42 ‹Majuba› James: any unusual minis needed for early PF#13 adventures?
29/07/2008 21:29:51 ‹Russ› Only one designer? How...interesting for a modern game
29/07/2008 21:30:01 ‹psymin› Majuba> Thanks for asking that one :)
29/07/2008 21:30:03 ‹jmberaldo› Im the guy who writes the game storyline, creates characters, missions/quests, define what is the game map, etc
29/07/2008 21:30:18 ‹Majuba› 'the dragon egg came first
29/07/2008 21:30:42 ‹jmberaldo› http://taikodom.com if you guys are curious ;)
29/07/2008 21:30:51 ‹Samwise› James>that raises the question at the heart of it - is there a particular pressing need to kill something other than a healthy adult specimen of whatever?
29/07/2008 21:30:54 ‹jmberaldo› but its still under development
29/07/2008 21:31:01 ‹Majuba› er.. wait. this would be one situation where my logic on that doesn't work (i.e. whatever laid the egg might not have been a dragon, but the egg will be)
29/07/2008 21:31:02 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> MMOs are different enough, I would guess, that they wouldn't be counted as a tabletop RPG for the purposes of RPG superstar. It's an interesting situation though.
29/07/2008 21:31:06 ‹Samwise› i think thats something that could use a bit of gamer self-examination
29/07/2008 21:31:09 ‹Pygon› sweet jmb
29/07/2008 21:31:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, how are the serpent people looking for Golarion? I know there have been some references, and its a pretty wide open concept.
29/07/2008 21:31:20 * Russ wrote online games before it was cool
29/07/2008 21:31:21 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, NAGA! :woot:
29/07/2008 21:31:28 ‹Charles Evans› Not the Paizo connection....
29/07/2008 21:31:37 ‹BM› Nah. D&D always has creationism. The Dragon came first*. (Unless the dragon was created from an egg, then hatch from it, then the egg came first)
29/07/2008 21:31:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, yeah, them too . . . heh
29/07/2008 21:31:41 ‹Russ› Good ol' Rivers of MUD...
29/07/2008 21:31:44 ‹James Jacobs› Reverse advancement rules SORT of exist; you can use the size change tables in any direction, and reducing HD is easy enough
29/07/2008 21:31:45 ‹Samwise› is there a reason we need adventures in which we get to kill women, children, wizened elders, and other non-prime combatants?
29/07/2008 21:31:55 ‹Samwise› and if so, what exactly does that say about the motives of gamers?
29/07/2008 21:32:02 ‹jmberaldo› James> in fact, the RPG superstar made quite a fuzz at work. The lead designer wanted to apply too, just as half the development team ;)
29/07/2008 21:32:11 ‹psymin› yoda8myhead> As I go through Burnt Offerings next month, do you mind if I post to the wiki with which item cards can be used, as well as which minis?
29/07/2008 21:32:14 ‹spamhammer› wizened elders will mess you up, Samwise.
29/07/2008 21:32:31 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Yeah; throwing baby ANYTHINGS into a game makes things too complex most of the time.
29/07/2008 21:32:35 ‹Ross› jmberaldo, RPG Superstar was fun.
29/07/2008 21:32:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› Samwise, you know, I wonder the same thing about myself when I laugh at things like Wanted . . . :blush:
29/07/2008 21:32:42 ‹Samwise› somehow, i do not see Conan or whoever wallowing in counting the heads of the kids he slays, the women he takes by force, or the geezers he rides down
29/07/2008 21:32:44 ‹jmberaldo› But we found out about it a few days before it began, so we figured it would be too late to get in a discussion if we could or not participate
29/07/2008 21:32:49 ‹Russ› Samwise- Well, it worked for G1. And certainly the concept of fighting a smaller dire bear (for example )has some appeal for certain adventures.
29/07/2008 21:32:53 ‹yoda8myhead› psymin, I'm not really sure how or where we'd implement that. Suggest it on the wiki messageboard and get some feedback
29/07/2008 21:32:59 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> The serpentfolk of Golarion are gonna be about CR 4. Heavy into sorcerery, likely.
29/07/2008 21:33:01 ‹Russ› And there's always Grendel and Grendel's mother
29/07/2008 21:33:05 ‹psymin› okies
29/07/2008 21:33:07 ‹James Jacobs› And also alchemy
29/07/2008 21:33:10 * Charles Evans scratches his head and tries to work out where the killer cookie of doom came from....
29/07/2008 21:33:25 ‹jmberaldo› Ross> I can imagine... I couldnt read everything that was been written, but i tried to read as much as possible the last couple of weeks
29/07/2008 21:33:28 * psymin flips through the Alpha 3 book.
29/07/2008 21:33:30 ‹jmberaldo› Very interesting stuff
29/07/2008 21:33:33 ‹BM› Lilith's Oven, probably.
29/07/2008 21:33:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Wonderful . . . love the concept of serpent folk, too good not to have a place in the settng.
29/07/2008 21:33:43 ‹James Jacobs› Minis for Second Darkness... you'll need a fair amount of thugs, wererats, and big bugs.
29/07/2008 21:33:46 ‹Samwise› Russ>maybe, but maybe G1 was a mistake, maybe G1 is what we have to blame for the "eternal" question of whether paladins should kill kobold babies, and how much xp they may or may not be worth
29/07/2008 21:33:54 ‹Absinth› Wow, the serpent folks sound interesting. Where are they located? In the Mwangi Expanse?
29/07/2008 21:34:04 ‹Samwise› if D&D is supposed to be about heroic fantasy, how about focusing on heroic enemies
29/07/2008 21:34:13 ‹Majuba› oooooo i got bugs, i got lots of bugs
29/07/2008 21:34:27 * Samwise mutters and controls a random rant
29/07/2008 21:34:39 ‹James Jacobs› The serpentfolk are in the Darklands.
29/07/2008 21:34:41 ‹Daigle› Yay for big bugs!!
29/07/2008 21:34:42 ‹jmberaldo› Well, I started a e-publishing business on RPGnow. Only put out 4 small products to "see how it works"
29/07/2008 21:34:43 ‹Russ› Eh. Noncombat offspring date back AT LEAST to MM1 :)
29/07/2008 21:34:53 ‹Lilith› Daigle, YAY! :dance2:
29/07/2008 21:34:57 * Absinth quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 21:35:02 ‹Russ› Well, if we want a game like that, we got 4E
29/07/2008 21:35:12 ‹jmberaldo› Im actually right now finishing up a OGL system Im created, but this version is in portuguese
29/07/2008 21:35:27 ‹BM› Samwise, that assumes that D&D is about heroic fantasy. D&D starts as generic Fantasy for most part and then you add elements to make it the type of fantasy that you want.
29/07/2008 21:35:38 ‹jmberaldo› Other than these 4 ebooks on RPG now, I still dont have anything in english
29/07/2008 21:35:46 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Sounds like you've got a pretty solid resume of game design started. Again; we don't have the resources to accept much new stuff, but at the same time we're always looking for new authors. We're sort of caught in a catch 22.
29/07/2008 21:35:48 ‹jmberaldo› reason why Im working on that stuff during my vacations ;)
29/07/2008 21:35:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, are there serpentfolk that can "pass" for human, like a certain species of snake folk that aren't OGL?
29/07/2008 21:35:51 ‹Samwise› i am pretty sure D&D is about heroic fantasy
29/07/2008 21:35:57 * Russ prefers the potential for mama monster to have some kidlets to add to the fight
29/07/2008 21:36:14 ‹Mothman› KEJR, good question
29/07/2008 21:36:23 ‹James Jacobs› BUT! If you want to shoot me an email at james.jacobs@paizo.com with a resume and all that, that's certainly one way to get my attention! :)
29/07/2008 21:36:23 ‹yoda8myhead› James, can you tell us any more about upcoming Set Piece adventures? titles, authors, etc?
29/07/2008 21:36:24 ‹Samwise› Russ>MM1 provided details for settlement sizes, it rarely included actual combat stats for said non-combatants
29/07/2008 21:36:34 ‹Samwise› look at it this way:
29/07/2008 21:36:34 ‹psymin› Russ> maybe something like adding negative levels to an adult creature for making kiddlets?
29/07/2008 21:36:35 ‹BM› It is entirely possible to run a Evil campaign in D&D, where you would precievibly may hurt non-combatants.
29/07/2008 21:36:47 ‹Samwise› are pcs supposed to fight deities? if not, we have no stats for them
29/07/2008 21:36:53 ‹jmberaldo› James> Actually I know very well you guys can't hire or anyone outside the bussiness now. I personally wouldnt have the time to do anythinig RIGHT NOW with all the work Taikodom is giving me ;)
29/07/2008 21:37:08 ‹jmberaldo› I just finished a novel that will be published with the game's release and started a second one ;)
29/07/2008 21:37:09 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> A serpentfolk can pass for human only via magic.
29/07/2008 21:37:09 ‹Samwise› are pcs supposed to make a body count of women and children? if not, why have stats for them either?
29/07/2008 21:37:14 ‹Russ› Yes, Sammie, but you were speaking of the morals of killing kobold babies - said problem started when we started defining them as existing.
29/07/2008 21:37:27 ‹Samwise› maybe we do need to take that step back and accept that some things dont need a stat block
29/07/2008 21:37:30 ‹jmberaldo› Oh, Ill certainly bug you with a resume on the future. Thanks James
29/07/2008 21:37:47 ‹Majuba› Samwise: actually it usually said things like "female orcs fight with the stats of goblins" etc.
29/07/2008 21:37:49 ‹James Jacobs› Our serpent folk aren't really as much a "yuan-ti replacement" as much as they are the serpentfolk from Lovecraft and Howard and Smith.
29/07/2008 21:37:49 ‹Samwise› i asked that rhetorically Russ
29/07/2008 21:37:55 ‹jmberaldo› Really, my idea was that, since Im enjoying so much the work you guys have been doing, why not let them know I exist? ;)
29/07/2008 21:37:58 ‹Wyvern› Speaking of resumes, did Gary ever find the programmer he was looking for?
29/07/2008 21:37:58 ‹James Jacobs› The same source that inspired Freeport's serpentfolk.
29/07/2008 21:37:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Are there "serpent blooded" humans, and/or are magically disguised serpent folk spies common?
29/07/2008 21:37:59 ‹Russ› Lacking a stat block does not equate to unkillable
29/07/2008 21:38:11 ‹Hill Giant› You don't needs stats for anything that isn't a challenge. Baby dragons are challenging. Baby kobolds, not so much
29/07/2008 21:38:21 ‹Ross› Wyvern, yes, speaking of resumes....
29/07/2008 21:38:22 ‹Samwise› no, but it typically equates to "not worth xp"
29/07/2008 21:38:23 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> One of the authors for an upcoming set-piece is in the chat room RIGHT NOW.
29/07/2008 21:38:23 ‹Absinth› So, there are no Serpent Folk on the surface? Will we see Serpent Folk in SD?
29/07/2008 21:38:27 ‹psymin› how about rules for baby PCs!
29/07/2008 21:38:31 ‹Russ› Baby tarrasque :)
29/07/2008 21:38:32 ‹yoda8myhead› Samwise, technically, no age range exists for younger than adult, and all stats are gender neutral, so killing a male commoner and a female commoner are the same
29/07/2008 21:38:35 * David joins Main
29/07/2008 21:38:39 ‹Samwise› Majuba>a few did, not the majority
29/07/2008 21:38:40 ‹Pygon› baby kobold mob, maybe...
29/07/2008 21:38:40 ‹BM› Samwise, problem is once they in view of the combat map. You might in up having to deal with children trying to protect a mother.
29/07/2008 21:38:46 ‹KnightErrantJR› Honetsly, yuan-ti get a bit complicated, especially with all of the new sub races, so a straight forward races doesn't bother me too much.
29/07/2008 21:38:50 ‹jmberaldo› Btw, you guys love Lovecraft, dont you? (which is good!) ;)
29/07/2008 21:39:05 ‹James Jacobs› Wyvern> Nope; we're still looking for a Gary Helper.
29/07/2008 21:39:13 ‹Samwise› BM>perhaps, but is that fun?
29/07/2008 21:39:15 ‹Russ› One of the more entertaining Living Greyhawk mods I played dealt with the matter of a frost giant baby
29/07/2008 21:39:19 ‹Pygon› jmb - some definite JP influence :)
29/07/2008 21:39:21 ‹Daigle› Gary Helper should be the title!
29/07/2008 21:39:23 ‹Samwise› is that really, deep down, fun for the players?
29/07/2008 21:39:23 ‹spamhammer› gotta go. goodnight, everybody.
29/07/2008 21:39:26 ‹James Jacobs› I love Lovecraft, that's for sure. And teh rest of the editors either love him or don't hate him.
29/07/2008 21:39:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night spam
29/07/2008 21:39:40 ‹Lilith› Daigle, Mini PostMonster! :D
29/07/2008 21:39:35 ‹Timitius› Ia! Ia!
29/07/2008 21:39:40 ‹jmberaldo› I began to write an adventure in Irrisen tentativelly called Dreams out of Space
29/07/2008 21:39:44 ‹psymin› What language should the Gary Helper know? And can he/she telecommute :P
29/07/2008 21:39:49 ‹Lilith› Timitius!!! :glomp:
29/07/2008 21:39:51 ‹Samwise› to have the dm snickering at them, asking if they want to murder the helpless little kiddies to get big bad mama grendel?
29/07/2008 21:39:51 * Ross reminds JJ that his resume is on the pile for Gary Helper...
29/07/2008 21:39:54 ‹Wyvern› :-k
29/07/2008 21:39:57 ‹Lilith› psymin, Java. And "no" on the telecommute
29/07/2008 21:40:06 ‹psymin› phooie
29/07/2008 21:40:13 ‹Charles Evans› Samwise: sorry for lagging inresponding, but i suspect that conan would have had some notion of the number of women he'd 'had his way' with- although I'm not sure that he ever would have forced his affections upon them.
29/07/2008 21:40:16 ‹Timitius› Heya Lilz! :hugs:
29/07/2008 21:40:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› So knowing Dark Speech doesn't help?
29/07/2008 21:40:23 ‹Daigle› Howdy Tim!
29/07/2008 21:40:25 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> No serpent folk on the surface at this time, no; they were forced underground into hiding by the Azlanti thousands of years ago. There won't be any in the Second Darkness adventrues. But they WILL be detailed in "Into the Darklands" and here and tehre in Pathfinder.
29/07/2008 21:40:28 ‹jmberaldo› Where a witch catches something out of space and tries to study it... but it has been mutating and consuming everything around the witch's house ;)
29/07/2008 21:40:31 ‹Hill Giant› KnightErrantJR, couldn't hurt
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29/07/2008 21:40:35 ‹Majuba› Thanks so much for all the tips James -- Have a good night everyone!
29/07/2008 21:40:50 ‹Pygon› gnite MAjuba
29/07/2008 21:40:55 ‹Russ› Perhaps in one of the side excursions in PF!
29/07/2008 21:40:56 ‹Daigle› Take care Majuba!
29/07/2008 21:40:56 ‹jmberaldo› Night Majuba
29/07/2008 21:40:59 ‹James Jacobs› Psymin> I'm not sure about the language, but telecommuting isn't an option. On Site only.
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29/07/2008 21:41:01 ‹Timitius› Daigle, my favorite cockroach wrangler!
29/07/2008 21:41:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› Cool, serpent folk versus Azlanti in ancient times . . . I like that.
29/07/2008 21:41:07 ‹BM› Samwise, If you intentional running a evil character, it can.
29/07/2008 21:41:10 ‹Daigle› That's me, baby!
29/07/2008 21:41:10 ‹Samwise› Charles>getting the babe is one thing, forcing another
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29/07/2008 21:41:18 ‹James Jacobs› Oh! Lilith answerd that question already. Heh
29/07/2008 21:41:42 ‹Daigle› Tim, have you thought about which week in April PaizoConII might happen?
29/07/2008 21:41:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yeah...I've been staring at said job for a few years now... >.>
29/07/2008 21:41:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Speaking of Dark Speech . . . are there any mystical "primordial" languages in Golarions cosmology?
29/07/2008 21:41:56 ‹psymin› Daigle> April 27th I believe
29/07/2008 21:42:11 ‹Samwise› BM>that kind of "fun" is nothing of the sort
29/07/2008 21:42:27 ‹psymin› Daigle> I only remember because its my birthday :)
29/07/2008 21:42:32 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> There are. One of them is Thassilonian. There are others that go back farther; the serpentfolk langue is one of them. I'm toying with having them speek Aklo...
29/07/2008 21:42:36 ‹Daigle› Gorgeous, now I can sort out the rest of April.
29/07/2008 21:42:37 * Mothman changes his/her nickname to Moth AFC
29/07/2008 21:42:45 ‹Daigle› Thanks, psymin.
29/07/2008 21:42:56 ‹Timitius› April 24-26.
29/07/2008 21:43:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hm . . . you know, feats that have a langauge for a prerequisite and modify certain spells might be kind of cool . . .
29/07/2008 21:43:08 ‹BM› It can be. It forces the player to make a choice. Having children in the game does not make one kill them.
29/07/2008 21:43:12 ‹Timitius› Friday thru Sunday.
29/07/2008 21:43:20 * psymin notes "Not April 27th".
29/07/2008 21:43:29 ‹Russ› Timit - is it too early to pre-reg?
29/07/2008 21:43:36 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda: Wasn't sure if you were talking about forcing or not in the case of Conan & women. That bit seemed bague to me... :-? But no, Conan does not force, I would agree.
29/07/2008 21:43:37 ‹James Jacobs› In fact, the chances of serpent folk speaking Aklo is 99%.
29/07/2008 21:43:41 ‹Russ› And volunteer to judge lots?
29/07/2008 21:43:43 ‹Samwise› forcing players to make some choices is not fun
29/07/2008 21:43:51 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, so are you still working on Into the Darklands? How far ahead is the schedule "done"
29/07/2008 21:43:53 ‹Lilith› Preregistering for PaizoCon II gets your name in the hat for a custom mini! :D
29/07/2008 21:43:53 ‹Timitius› Psymin: Almost the 27th......;-)
29/07/2008 21:44:06 ‹Absinth› Ahh, I'd sooo love to fly over for PaizoCon. Well, I'll see what I can do...
29/07/2008 21:44:07 ‹Ross› Samwise, depends on the players.
29/07/2008 21:44:08 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, sweet! Can't wait to see the serpent folk.
29/07/2008 21:44:08 ‹Samwise› it may appeal to a particular type of sadistic DM, but it is very very rarely any sort of "fun" for a group in general
29/07/2008 21:44:10 ‹Daigle› Cool, Tim. The annual weekend party I missed the Con for was being planned this past weekend and I told them to wait on the exact date until I ehard from you. ;)
29/07/2008 21:44:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› What about a custom hat? ;-)
29/07/2008 21:44:23 ‹Russ› If we want to be told what type of game is fun, we'll play 4E. We're playing PF here.
29/07/2008 21:44:25 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yup; still writing Darklands. We're currently working on Pathfinder 15 and Gods & Magic.
29/07/2008 21:44:27 ‹Pygon› Lilith - efreet pasha? :)
29/07/2008 21:44:28 ‹James Jacobs› Darklands is post Gen Con.
29/07/2008 21:44:35 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Isn't Aklo from Lovecraft?
29/07/2008 21:44:44 * Sothal [Preacher of Lilith] joins Main
29/07/2008 21:44:51 ‹psymin› Lilith> custom sculpted mini? Awesome :D (kidding)
29/07/2008 21:44:59 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› Good Morning
29/07/2008 21:45:02 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sothal
29/07/2008 21:45:06 ‹Samwise› Ross>that type of player is a lot more limited than might be expected
29/07/2008 21:45:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey Sothal
29/07/2008 21:45:08 ‹Pygon› hi Sothal
29/07/2008 21:45:17 ‹Lilith› Pygon, maybe. :P Depends on what catches my fancy.
29/07/2008 21:45:14 ‹James Jacobs› Lovecraft used Aklo. It was actually invented by Arthur Machen, a writer Lovecraft admired.
29/07/2008 21:45:22 ‹James Jacobs› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aklo
29/07/2008 21:45:25 ‹Absinth› Hey Sothal, did you change jobs? ;)
29/07/2008 21:45:27 ‹psymin› With GenCon coming up, I'm surprised that you still find time to chat
29/07/2008 21:45:33 ‹Lilith› Sothal! Welcome! :cookie:
29/07/2008 21:45:41 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› Absinth, why yes
29/07/2008 21:45:42 ‹Samwise› Ross>difficult tasks is one thing, a dm waiting for an excuse to turn you into a villain is another
29/07/2008 21:45:57 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Ah. That explains it. I remembered coming across it somewhere. Manuscripts?
29/07/2008 21:45:59 ‹jmberaldo› Mmmm James... theres a thread on the forum about golarion fashion... i was going for some references and came cross that Taldor guy on the gazeteer, wearing a suit. Are they victorian in style? (and what about technology?)
29/07/2008 21:46:04 ‹Timitius› Russ: I'd like to actually get a LOCALE nailed down first, before I go and start a pre-reg.
29/07/2008 21:46:05 ‹Ross› Samwise, I prefer a game with some moral complexity and realistic settlements to ones in which children are mysteriously absent. Kobolds allow a cop-out of eggs, but orcs and goblins have babies.
29/07/2008 21:46:09 ‹Samwise› Russ>nonsense, the two are completely different aspects of the game, although that is very nice attempt at a strawman
29/07/2008 21:46:13 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› Lilith, we encountered a need of a redheaded Seoni fanpic...
29/07/2008 21:46:19 ‹yoda8myhead› James, which of the August releases are in-warehouse now? Have you fondled and smelled their pages yet?
29/07/2008 21:46:32 ‹James Jacobs› In the Lovecraft universe... it's the serpentfolk language.
29/07/2008 21:46:33 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> I'm sure you don't have the answer to this, but .. will 3PP have the info they need to release product before PfRPG is released?
29/07/2008 21:46:35 ‹Absinth› James, will we see Regional Scource Books on the faction lands first?
29/07/2008 21:46:40 ‹yoda8myhead› Timitius, but the date is set?
29/07/2008 21:46:54 ‹BM› Samwise, It may not be your difination of fun. Some people may have others. Some of my best moments/elements come from having children in the game. (In my case semi-positve. A half-dragon character adopted an egg after finding in after a fight and raising the baby dragon as her own.)
29/07/2008 21:47:02 ‹Timitius› PaizoCon II is going to need 1 big room, and 1-2 smaller rooms (like the size we had for the 1st PaizoCon). That'll cost.
29/07/2008 21:47:04 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> That Taldor guy's clothes are somewhat victorian in style, yes. But not quite.
29/07/2008 21:47:16 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Do you see serpentfolk in Golarion as having emigrated from another world (or possibly having ties to the other-worldly Yig)?
29/07/2008 21:47:24 ‹Lilith› Sothal [Preacher of Lilith], oh my! :D
29/07/2008 21:47:25 ‹Russ› I may be able to help front some cash, so contact me if you need it
29/07/2008 21:47:28 ‹Timitius› yoda8myhead, I am setting the date as the last weekend in April. Every year.
29/07/2008 21:47:33 ‹Russ› A thousand or two.
29/07/2008 21:47:35 ‹Charles Evans› Maybe even Yig made Golarion serpentfolk?
29/07/2008 21:47:43 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Not sure what's in the warehouse right now...
29/07/2008 21:47:46 ‹Samwise› Ross>so you want to keep track of how many children die for every action the character take or do not take? you want to really get into how many children are orphaned every time you kill a bandit, or how many beggars die every time you refuse to give them a few coppers? moral complexity is nice, egregious realism is just that, egregious
29/07/2008 21:47:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› I kind of like psuedo old world clothes that aren't quite, as long as it doesn't carry over too far into the style of the setting.
29/07/2008 21:47:49 ‹James Jacobs› Maybe Pathfinder 12?
29/07/2008 21:47:52 ‹yoda8myhead› Timitius, works for me. I'll mark it in my calendar
21:48:16 ‹Russ› Well..........Paizo seems to like mods were there is a bodycount of innocents, reduced by PC action...
29/07/2008 21:48:21 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The serpentfolk of Golarion are natives. They don't have ties to Yig, though. Their god is very Yig-Inspired, though.
29/07/2008 21:48:25 ‹Russ› I can think of 2 certains and a probable third.
29/07/2008 21:48:25 ‹Samwise› and adventures that want to obsess about the orc kids in the lair are adventures that lose their focus of the heroes being heroic
29/07/2008 21:48:26 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 21:48:33 ‹Timitius› Hear that? I, Timitius, Dictator of PaizoCon (er, co-dictator, right Lilz?) am setting PaizoCon to occur on the last weekend of April...annually.
29/07/2008 21:48:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yiggish?
29/07/2008 21:48:49 ‹Lilith› Timitius, As your fellow Dictator, I concur! :headbang:
29/07/2008 21:48:50 ‹James Jacobs› Yig's got a big starring role in Freeport, and I don't really wanna step on Pramas's toes there.
29/07/2008 21:48:51 ‹Samwise› Russ>right, body count reduced
29/07/2008 21:48:56 ‹Samwise› hence the big difference
29/07/2008 21:48:57 ‹Russ› I prefer lairs that include children. It's pretty silly for lairs to be populated only with combatants.
29/07/2008 21:49:11 ‹Timitius› Does that make us a Biumvirate?
29/07/2008 21:49:18 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I think I remember in a previous discussion some musing on whether or not Yig could 'crossover' along with the Yogster, and the masked one....
29/07/2008 21:49:20 ‹Samwise› really? how many military bases in combat zones come equipped with children?
29/07/2008 21:49:31 ‹Lilith› Timitius, Indeed it does! A duocracy? :-k
29/07/2008 21:49:33 ‹Absinth› My lair is populated with children too. No adventures yet though...
29/07/2008 21:49:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, you guys and your self imposed "we could, but should we" mindset is great . . . honestly, I really appreciate that in Paizo
29/07/2008 21:49:46 ‹Russ› A lair is a home, a military base isn't. Big difference.
29/07/2008 21:49:46 * Daigle yawns.
29/07/2008 21:49:50 ‹Charles Evans› (masked one because I wussed out on attempting to spell Nyar.... at this hour of the morning... :D)
29/07/2008 21:49:52 ‹James Jacobs› As for the topic of Children in Peril in Paizo adventures... that's something that we probably did too often too early. It's not necessarilly something we want to keep doing, but neither is it FORBIDDEN as it is for WotC.
29/07/2008 21:49:53 ‹Timitius› How.....naughty-sounding. :devilish:
29/07/2008 21:49:57 ‹psymin› Samwise> When the combat zone is .. yeah what Russ said
29/07/2008 21:50:09 ‹Ross› Samwise, yeah. I do. And most military bases have children on them, actually.
29/07/2008 21:50:20 ‹Ross› I was born on one.
29/07/2008 21:50:20 ‹Samwise› Ross>i said in combat zones
29/07/2008 21:50:21 ‹Russ› Ross - well, he did say in a combat zone
29/07/2008 21:50:32 ‹Samwise› very specifically
29/07/2008 21:50:33 ‹Russ› Ross - but get used to Samwise arguing.
29/07/2008 21:50:39 ‹BM› Samwise, thats differnet. It more like most adventures kick down the door to your house come in, kill you, and steal all your things. Not really comparible.
29/07/2008 21:50:43 ‹James Jacobs› Yig isn't really a planar traveller, so he's probably stuck on Earth. (Or in Freeport)
29/07/2008 21:51:04 ‹Hill Giant› The best kind of orphans are the ones you make yourself.
29/07/2008 21:51:12 ‹Pygon› hee
29/07/2008 21:51:19 ‹Pygon› they can be recurring villians!
29/07/2008 21:51:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hill Giant, that was great . . .
29/07/2008 21:51:29 ‹psymin› Hill Giant> you mean by procreating and committing suicide?
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29/07/2008 21:51:33 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, have you ever read "Winged Death" or "The Mound" by Lovecraft? I just got a book with these two...never read them before.
29/07/2008 21:51:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› That's one way to do it . . .
29/07/2008 21:51:46 ‹Absinth› James, when it comes to release Regional Scource-Books, will we see the PFC regions first? I guess there are only two missing as of now...
29/07/2008 21:52:02 ‹psymin› Well battery light came on. Time for me to sleep. Thanks for the chat.
29/07/2008 21:52:08 ‹James Jacobs› Timitus> Of COURSE I have! :)
29/07/2008 21:52:10 ‹Pygon› gnite psymin
29/07/2008 21:52:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night psymin
29/07/2008 21:52:13 ‹James Jacobs› They're both pretty good. "The Mound," in fact, is largely the PRIMARY inspiration for the way the Darklands is set up.l
29/07/2008 21:52:14 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› night psymin
29/07/2008 21:52:23 ‹Absinth› Timitus, I know The Mound, can't remember Winged Death though...
29/07/2008 21:52:25 * psymin quit (<3)
29/07/2008 21:52:28 ‹James Jacobs› Woah. My posts showed up in weird order.
29/07/2008 21:52:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm really looking forward to the Absalom book.
29/07/2008 21:52:35 ‹James Jacobs› Winged Death is fun.
29/07/2008 21:52:40 ‹Timitius› Winged Death just impressed the heck out of me.
29/07/2008 21:52:41 ‹James Jacobs› No spoilers though for it! :)
29/07/2008 21:52:45 ‹Samwise› iBM>thats actually rather the point
29/07/2008 21:52:52 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: You mean that there are herds of those creatures running around and they worship Shub-Niggurath?
29/07/2008 21:53:05 ‹Charles Evans› Their masters worship, I mean
29/07/2008 21:53:09 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> yeah; we're trying to focus on getting info for the five faction locations out ASAP.
29/07/2008 21:53:10 ‹jmberaldo› "winged death"? which one is it? (Im getting old and my brain is malfuctioning)
29/07/2008 21:53:10 ‹Absinth› Iä! Iä!
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29/07/2008 21:53:19 ‹Russ› Darklands sounds a lot more like the pre-2ndE underdark, which appeals quite a bit to me. Back in the D1-3 and Dungeoneer's Survival Guide days, it was nasty, not easy
29/07/2008 21:53:24 ‹Charles Evans› (abundance to the black goat of the woods?)
29/07/2008 21:53:27 ‹Samwise› in most fantasy, the doors kicked down are not private homes, at least not usually deliberately, but special bases homes
29/07/2008 21:53:45 ‹Timitius› http://terror.snm-hgkz.ch/love...ath.htm
29/07/2008 21:53:47 ‹Pygon› umlauts! :headbang:
29/07/2008 21:53:49 * jmberaldo goes hunt for the story on his piles of books
29/07/2008 21:53:53 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Herds of serpent folk? No; more like the way the underworld in "The Mound" is split into three different realms.
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29/07/2008 21:53:56 ‹Samwise› the dark temple, the secret cult hideout, and all that jazz
29/07/2008 21:54:00 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> correct.
29/07/2008 21:54:06 ‹Timitius› jmberaldo, Don't hunt....click!
29/07/2008 21:54:09 ‹Samwise› maybe theres kind of a trend there for a reason?
29/07/2008 21:54:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› Man I need to get back to my "classics" reading.
29/07/2008 21:54:10 ‹Absinth› James, which regional scource book would you like to write after ItDL?
29/07/2008 21:54:10 ‹jmberaldo› Thanks Timitius
29/07/2008 21:54:17 ‹yoda8myhead› Samwise, in D1, for example, the PCs head through the warrens of the kobold tribe. That's where they live, so why would their young not be there?
29/07/2008 21:54:27 ‹yoda8myhead› Do they get sent off to kobold boarding school?
29/07/2008 21:54:32 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› äöü!
29/07/2008 21:54:51 ‹Russ› DSGi is a surpisingly good book, it seems to get unfortunately lumped in with the fairly disappointing WIlderness Survival Guide
29/07/2008 21:54:56 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: there were herds of some sort of tauric(?) creatures roaming the planes of the 'first world'(?) which the spanish explorer came upon in the mound, if I recall correctly?
29/07/2008 21:55:11 ‹Samwise› yoda>because there is nothing heroic about killing them?
29/07/2008 21:55:11 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I'll actually probably write the adventure for Pathfinder #19 after Darklands. After that? Who knows?
29/07/2008 21:55:31 ‹Timitius› Hey, PaizoCon question: What is more important.....a hotel with good convention space for us, or a hotel with cheaper rooms?
29/07/2008 21:55:38 ‹Samwise› yes, wonderful, versimilitude, realism, i know, i advocate them myselves
29/07/2008 21:55:40 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Oh... yeah... I gotta read that story again.
29/07/2008 21:55:43 ‹yoda8myhead› Samwise, so you don't kill them
29/07/2008 21:55:43 ‹BM› Samwise, those tend to be non-homes. A monsters lair is where they live. It makes sense that its their lair, they will have young, unless the monster in question is un-mated.
29/07/2008 21:55:48 ‹jmberaldo› hehehe I forgot I had this book. Lovecraftian tales from new authors. The guy who titles his story "Pikeman's Modem" needs a prize ;)
29/07/2008 21:55:52 ‹Absinth› You got me wrong, James. Not what you will write, but which you'd love to write...:)
29/07/2008 21:55:57 ‹Charles Evans› gyaa-yothn?
29/07/2008 21:55:59 ‹Pygon› James - Golarion Fiends? :)
29/07/2008 21:56:05 ‹Lilith› Timitius, :-k Hmmm...I think people would prefer hotel rooms...
29/07/2008 21:56:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› You know, Anakin offed a bunch of Tusken women and children and Padme didn't mind . . . and heck, he didn't "officially" turn to the dark side until he helped attack a Jedi Master (Disclaimer: I'm not actually trying to justify anything based on Episode II "Logic";)
29/07/2008 21:56:12 ‹Samwise› you reach a point though where it threatens to overwhelm the basic concept of the adventure itself
29/07/2008 21:56:37 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> OH! Hmm. Probably Irisen.
29/07/2008 21:56:42 * Charles Evans got fed up with being frustrated and fetched his Lovecraft tomes...
29/07/2008 21:56:45 ‹Russ› I'd prefer good space, but you do reach a trip point with attendees as the hotel rooms get north of $100
29/07/2008 21:56:47 ‹Russ› (pre-tax)
29/07/2008 21:56:52 ‹Timitius› Lilith, that LaQuinta we had it at raised their room rates....
29/07/2008 21:56:56 ‹James Jacobs› I'd also get a kick out of writing a Demon book for Golarion, of coruse.
29/07/2008 21:57:00 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yay Irrisen! :D
29/07/2008 21:57:05 ‹Pygon› yay!
29/07/2008 21:57:13 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Camazotz! We must have Zotzihala Chamalcan! :headbang:
29/07/2008 21:57:25 ‹Lilith› Timitius, Ew... >.>
29/07/2008 21:57:28 ‹Absinth› Irisen? What do you like about this nation?
29/07/2008 21:57:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, how far down the list is the new Mummy movie on your list of movies you care about?
29/07/2008 21:57:53 * Russ would like there to be less low-CR demons
29/07/2008 21:57:59 ‹jmberaldo› For some reason I also like Irrisen. First adventure idea I had was for it :)
29/07/2008 21:58:02 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I actually almost went to see the new Mummy movie tonight, at an advance screening, and had I done so, I would only be logging on here about now.
29/07/2008 21:58:03 ‹BM› Samwise, D&D isn't heroic at base. From the beginning the game is about killing things and taking their stuff. Like I said earlier, D&D is generic fantasy in which you add elements to get the type of fantasy you want. By default it isn't heroic fantasy at all. (It leans N if anything.)
29/07/2008 21:58:10 ‹Russ› In general, I think a typical demon should be a 1:1 match for a low teens PC
29/07/2008 21:58:16 ‹James Jacobs› But I was too tired to battle Seattle traffic to do so. I'll be seeing said mummy movie this weekend.
29/07/2008 21:58:21 * Presence joins Main
29/07/2008 21:58:35 ‹Charles Evans› james jacobs: Any questions for us?
29/07/2008 21:58:36 ‹Pygon› hi Presence!
29/07/2008 21:58:38 * jmberaldo didnt even KNOW there was a new Mummy movie until 3 hours ago
29/07/2008 21:58:39 ‹Lilith› Presence! :glomp: :cookie::beer:
29/07/2008 21:58:40 ‹Absinth› I like Irrisen too, but I would like to know why James would pick this one to write a scource book for...
29/07/2008 21:58:47 ‹James Jacobs› I'm looking forward to it. Not only are Jet Li and Michelle Yeoh huge draws for me... but there's a YETI in it!
29/07/2008 21:58:49 ‹Daigle› Howdy Presence!
21:58:56 ‹Presence› If its Tuesday, its time for the poor webserver to suffer!
29/07/2008 21:58:57 ‹Presence› <3
29/07/2008 21:59:03 ‹Samwise› BM>check some of those books cited as inspiration
29/07/2008 21:59:18 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> That's how I feel about dragons.
29/07/2008 21:59:20 ‹Pygon› Presence - we had a bit of a lag spike here and there, but it's holding up
29/07/2008 21:59:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› For some reason, the trailer where Rick's son says "good going Dad, you raised another mummy" almost killed all enthusiasm in me to see t his.
29/07/2008 21:59:30 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: A doctor Who robotic Yeti? :D (Sorry, couldn't resist dragging that up, to poke fun.)
29/07/2008 21:59:31 ‹James Jacobs› PCs shouldn't face their first dragon till about 8th level, i say.
29/07/2008 21:59:34 ‹Presence› Pygon, just barely! Haha.
29/07/2008 21:59:35 ‹Timitius› We'll likely need to hold the Con further south...like SeaTac. Many people were put off by rooms at $90. For Seattle, that's pretty darned cheap. It's hard to find a place with adequate convention space AND rooms for $60 a night.
29/07/2008 21:59:35 ‹Samwise› BM>it is not modern, but it is heroic fantasy, and such is based on the number of WARRIORS you kill in personal combat
29/07/2008 21:59:54 ‹James Jacobs› Doctor Who references have no effect on me. I am not a Who-fan.
29/07/2008 21:59:54 ‹Timitius› Actually, it's impossible.
29/07/2008 21:59:58 ‹Samwise› not the bodycount on their non-combatant dependants
29/07/2008 22:00:10 ‹Russ› I'd agree with that. I just like the offspring to exist. But I'm annoyed by how many models stick in a tiny or small dragon for no good reason.
29/07/2008 22:00:13 ‹Lilith› Timitius, yeah, SeaTac would be better because of the airport too.
29/07/2008 22:00:31 ‹Samwise› Russ>and thats all im trying to get at
29/07/2008 22:00:40 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> That line didn't bother me at all; felt perfectly in line with the wacky feel of the first two to me.
29/07/2008 22:00:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› "Who references don't work on me . . . only money."
29/07/2008 22:00:47 ‹jmberaldo› Further south? What about Brazil? Its warm, there are beaches, beautiful women... ;)
29/07/2008 22:01:04 ‹Russ› On the other hand, the encounter with the pony-sized dragons in Age of Worm's Prince of Red Hand? Classic!
29/07/2008 22:01:11 ‹Samwise› Russ>id like to see the focus on the "killing them in a (reasonably) fair fight", not obsessing about their sex lives and rate of reporduction
29/07/2008 22:01:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› I guess the kid just sounded so bored with it all . . . I'll still likely see it though.
29/07/2008 22:01:15 ‹Timitius› Lilith, yet, no game stores in SeaTac.
29/07/2008 22:01:25 * Moth AFC changes his/her nickname to Mothman
29/07/2008 22:01:32 ‹Ross› Majuba - PbP update is up. Finally.
29/07/2008 22:01:38 ‹Lilith› Timitius, Problem. #-o
29/07/2008 22:01:44 ‹Mothman› Geez, are we still talking about baby dragons and heroic fantasy? ;-)
29/07/2008 22:01:48 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yeah; and that art we got for the PCs fighting dragons... ugh. Looks like they're a billion feet tall standing on a huge swamp fighting dragons.
29/07/2008 22:01:48 ‹BM› Samwise, you seem to ignore that I'm not advocating that all non-combatants should be killed. I saying that there should be rules for children. Look up about my example where having rules for children added to my game in a postive way.
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29/07/2008 22:01:57 ‹Presence› http://presence.irev.net/stora...729.txt <-- Woo, go box go.
29/07/2008 22:02:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Mothman, and the Mummy 3 . . . and a few lame Star Wars references from me . . .
29/07/2008 22:02:19 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› Hey Olli
29/07/2008 22:02:25 ‹Lilith› Presence, And the server goes NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM. :zombieglomp:
29/07/2008 22:02:33 ‹Mothman› Got to love Star Wars references, hopwever lame
29/07/2008 22:02:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› That's the spririt!
29/07/2008 22:02:51 ‹Absinth› Hey Olli
29/07/2008 22:02:53 ‹Samwise› Russ>trust me, i will break out population growth rate figures and lifestyle land carrying capacities, and "prove" that orc hordes can never develop at that rate, id rather focus on just how many orcs a pc can kill before the horde is stopped or he levels too high for them to be worth xp
29/07/2008 22:02:53 ‹ollibolli› guten morgen allerseits
29/07/2008 22:02:54 ‹Pygon› 488 mil queries? eek!
29/07/2008 22:02:55 ‹Presence› haha
29/07/2008 22:02:59 ‹James Jacobs› Eew. Star Wars.
29/07/2008 22:03:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› I always know it's getting late when Ollibolli gets here!
29/07/2008 22:03:32 ‹Mothman› "Eew Star Wars" ??? James, wash your mouth out!
29/07/2008 22:03:34 ‹Samwise› BM>except thats not a positive way, not long term
29/07/2008 22:03:34 ‹Wyvern› I remember Ryan Dancey talking about the advertisement he would have made (or wanted to make, or something along those lines) for D&D, and he was well into describing the game as a game of heroes. Saying something like the world needs heroes and showing firefighters...
29/07/2008 22:03:42 ‹Daigle› Howdy olli!
29/07/2008 22:03:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› Wait, is he ewwing new Star Wars, Old Star Wars, or the Clone Wars?
29/07/2008 22:03:57 ‹Russ› Hmm, I like the art piece
29/07/2008 22:03:57 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith/Presence: I don't know if it has any bearing but I had a nasty encounter with a Zuten cookie earlier this evening. don't know if that's something dangerous and doing the rounds of servers at the moment?
29/07/2008 22:03:58 ‹Wyvern› ..then switching to a game-like setting showing the PCs... something like that.
29/07/2008 22:04:07 ‹Samwise› BM>maybe once, in a Fallout 1 scenario, where you have to work around getting the flower girl killed by choosing to be passive at the right point, sure
29/07/2008 22:04:16 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, Uhhh...That's not this server.
29/07/2008 22:04:18 ‹ollibolli› Hi franz, andre, adam
29/07/2008 22:04:19 * Daigle apologizes for bringing up age catergories earlier.
29/07/2008 22:04:21 ‹Samwise› but swarms of kids protecting mommy monster? not really
29/07/2008 22:04:25 ‹Hill Giant› My PCs are more like firemen from Fareheit 451.
29/07/2008 22:04:29 ‹Presence› Pygon, every person in chat's webbrowser makes an "ajax" request every [2s], each "hit" incurs a bunch of mysql queries! I love this "phpfreechat", its so efficient! <3
29/07/2008 22:04:31 ‹James Jacobs› I am not a fan of Star Wars. Empire was quite good. But the rest? Meh.
29/07/2008 22:04:49 ‹Presence› Its totally worth it, though
29/07/2008 22:04:50 ‹Ross› Samwise, so mindless slaughter is preferable? How is that heroic? Then the PCs are no better than the monsters they kill.
29/07/2008 22:04:54 ‹Lilith› Presence, it could be throttling the hard drive instead, if you like. :P
29/07/2008 22:04:56 ‹BM› Samwise, How isn't that postive? My players enjoyed it. (To be fair, they weren't responsible for said dragons death.)
29/07/2008 22:05:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› HG: :lol:
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29/07/2008 22:05:05 ‹Pygon› Presence - I'll accept that as a tad bit of sarcasm :)
29/07/2008 22:05:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› Bah . . . if you were +1000 on the coolness scale James . . . ;-)
29/07/2008 22:05:07 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Empire is still my favorite. :D
29/07/2008 22:05:08 ‹Absinth› But it's the same here, Lilith. When I don't post something, I get kicked after a minute or so... This is highly annoying...
29/07/2008 22:05:10 ‹Mothman› So James, you're a Trek fan then? ;-)
29/07/2008 22:05:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Only at +998 now . . .
29/07/2008 22:05:31 ‹Presence› Actually, seriously, I think its great that the box is being used and all in all, this interface is pretty great.
29/07/2008 22:05:32 ‹Lilith› Absinth, What browser are you using? The chatroom doesn't play nice with IE.
29/07/2008 22:05:48 ‹Lilith› Presence, it's much prettier than the old chatroom.
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29/07/2008 22:05:56 ‹Samwise› Ross>mindless? no, fighting against the horde is definitely heroic, it is a staple, it is the "lamentations of their women" part that is reserved only for limited kinds of quasi-heroic fantasy
29/07/2008 22:05:59 ‹James Jacobs› Empire's the best, I suspect, because of Leigh Brackett's involvement.
29/07/2008 22:06:03 ‹Absinth› Opera right now...
29/07/2008 22:06:10 ‹Presence› Its prettier than IRC with a B~!&%X client!
29/07/2008 22:06:12 ‹Russ› Empire's my fav. The original is a classic. The other four are mediocre to outright bad.
29/07/2008 22:06:17 ‹jmberaldo› Mmm... Kobold Children (Swarm type humanoid)
29/07/2008 22:06:19 ‹Samwise› BM>the ways it can go wrong are staggering
29/07/2008 22:06:20 ‹Lilith› Presence, LOL! :D
29/07/2008 22:06:24 ‹James Jacobs› Star Trek's better than Star Wars... up until the end of Deep Space 9, that is. Then it's worse.
29/07/2008 22:06:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Enterprise was a travesty
29/07/2008 22:06:39 ‹James Jacobs› Battlestar Galactica is better than all of them. And Alien's better than Battlestar.
29/07/2008 22:06:46 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› No Voyager for JJ?
29/07/2008 22:06:50 ‹Russ› Oh geez. The first two and last seasons of NExt Gen were pig vomit.
29/07/2008 22:06:51 ‹Presence› I **love** ST: Voyager. For serious, Janeway is my God.
29/07/2008 22:06:53 ‹Hill Giant› JJ, Kirk or Picard? :-)
29/07/2008 22:07:00 ‹Wyvern› Wow! I like Star Wars a lot. But then again not everybody has read/seen stuff other than the movies.
29/07/2008 22:07:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› I loved DS 9 though, at least after the first few seasons, which started slow.
29/07/2008 22:07:07 ‹Lilith› jmberaldo, Creature Swarm template from Advanced Bestiary can be applied to just about anything. See Dark Naga swarm here http://www.dmtools.org/details...id=1710
29/07/2008 22:07:09 ‹Mothman› I never saw to the end of DS9 .... Battlestar rules! As does Alien
29/07/2008 22:07:10 ‹James Jacobs› Depends on my mood, Hill Giant. But usually Picard.
29/07/2008 22:07:14 ‹Russ› Presence - go rent Remo Willaims: The Adventure Begins
29/07/2008 22:07:24 ‹BM› Sure, but just because something could go wrong doesn't not mean that it shouldn't be in the game. We have DMs for that sorta thing.
29/07/2008 22:07:29 ‹Russ› BSG was pretty good for two seasons
29/07/2008 22:07:30 ‹Presence› Russ: okay! Why?
29/07/2008 22:07:30 * Jason Bulmahn joins Main
29/07/2008 22:07:34 ‹Russ› And I love the original BSG
29/07/2008 22:07:38 ‹ollibolli› i have seen star wars at the nmovies at the age of 10... totally awesome (right target group)
29/07/2008 22:07:46 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jason!
29/07/2008 22:07:47 ‹Russ› Presence - she's a major character in it :)
29/07/2008 22:07:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Jason!
29/07/2008 22:07:48 ‹BM› Jason!
29/07/2008 22:07:50 ‹Lilith› BULLMAN! :glomp:
29/07/2008 22:07:57 ‹jmberaldo› Im not much into star trek... I guess its too clean for my taste... and I like starfighter battles and bounty hunted, which is probably the part I like in star wars...
29/07/2008 22:08:03 ‹ollibolli› ola jason
29/07/2008 22:08:04 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, Screw Picard. It's all about Riker!
29/07/2008 22:08:10 ‹Presence› Russ, sweet! haha, thats rad
29/07/2008 22:08:14 ‹BM› Wow.... Hivemind......
29/07/2008 22:08:17 ‹Wyvern› Hey Jason
29/07/2008 22:08:21 ‹Samwise› BM>past a certain point, it is, you overlook how some dms confuse the existence of a rule for license to indulge in its use
29/07/2008 22:08:22 ‹ollibolli› make it so, number one
29/07/2008 22:08:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hi there everybody
29/07/2008 22:08:28 ‹Presence› BSG this most recent season has been great. Uber depressing and brutal.
29/07/2008 22:08:28 ‹jmberaldo› gar! whats up with my mistypings tonight?
29/07/2008 22:08:28 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› Timitius, agreed
29/07/2008 22:08:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› jmberaldo, You might have liked DS 9
29/07/2008 22:08:31 ‹James Jacobs› Riker! His nickname is "CAPTAIN SHITCAN" because he always sits on his chair like he's taking a dump.
29/07/2008 22:08:37 ‹Pygon› hi Jason!
29/07/2008 22:08:39 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Oh my.. what have I walked into
29/07/2008 22:08:53 ‹Hill Giant› "Of the four Star franchises - Trek, Wars, Gate, and Search - yours is my third favorite."
29/07/2008 22:08:55 ‹Pygon› you walked into the late chat Sci Fi move debate!
29/07/2008 22:08:55 ‹Mothman› Janeway's hot.
29/07/2008 22:08:56 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Looks like I got here just in time...
29/07/2008 22:09:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› Bulmahn!
29/07/2008 22:09:03 ‹Pygon› *movie
29/07/2008 22:09:03 ‹Mothman› Did I type that aloud...?
29/07/2008 22:09:03 ‹James Jacobs› Good evening, Mr. Bulmahn.
29/07/2008 22:09:03 ‹yoda8myhead› you walked into fun, Jason!
29/07/2008 22:09:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› The Chatroom Maelstrom Jason . . .
29/07/2008 22:09:15 ‹jmberaldo› Knight> I think I have watched a few episodes... they finally launched the sci-fi channel down here this month, so I guess Ill have th chance to watch it
29/07/2008 22:09:20 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Bulmahn! I think there were some suggestions for polymorph adjustments ina thread about polymorph on the 4E forum..... :D
29/07/2008 22:09:31 ‹Presence› Janeway's hot because chick knows what she wants and demands nothing less.
29/07/2008 22:09:40 ‹jmberaldo› ehehe, hello Jason
29/07/2008 22:09:42 ‹BM› Samwise, Its like saying just because some people my misuse rules for evil characters in game, they shouldn't be in the game.
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29/07/2008 22:09:57 ‹Timitius› Hey Jason! Geez, me and Amber were just talking about the good ol' days in Eberron tonight.
29/07/2008 22:09:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› jmberaldo, The first few seasons were a bit slow and they didn't seem to know exactly what they were doing quite yet, later seasons were great.
29/07/2008 22:09:59 ‹Mothman› Presence: exactly!
29/07/2008 22:10:01 ‹Absinth› Hi Jason, how're you?
29/07/2008 22:10:02 * Zaister_ joins Main
29/07/2008 22:10:02 ‹Pygon› I preferred Voyager only because it's the only one I actually followed...
29/07/2008 22:10:05 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Janeway is the worst.... she is always solving every damn problem on the ship... even if it is not her department.. it was horrible for the show
29/07/2008 22:10:07 ‹Ross› Buhlman!
29/07/2008 22:10:22 ‹Presence› Also, B'Leana is like, I'd suffer the broken bones for a night in her bed.
29/07/2008 22:10:26 ‹Ross› Err, Bulmahn.
29/07/2008 22:10:28 ‹jmberaldo› You know... there was this one trip to the US where I stayed for like 10 days. In these 10 days I watched some 7 episodes of voyager late at night
29/07/2008 22:10:30 ‹Daigle› Howdy Zaister
29/07/2008 22:10:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› If Sisco has his head shaved, it should be a good episode.
29/07/2008 22:10:46 ‹Presence› hahah
29/07/2008 22:10:48 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Knight> Too true
29/07/2008 22:10:51 ‹jmberaldo› 6 out of 7 of said episodes were about the damned holodeck
29/07/2008 22:10:52 ‹Samwise› BM>its why you rarely find them in organized play
29/07/2008 22:10:56 ‹jmberaldo› Talk about lack of imagination
29/07/2008 22:11:02 ‹James Jacobs› B'Leana has the all time Worst Line in Star Trek history, and the line that, once I heard it, convinced me to quit giving Voyager a chance: "GET THIS CHEESE TO SICKBAY."
22:11:08 ‹James Jacobs› I think she was actaully talking about the show.
29/07/2008 22:11:10 ‹Hill Giant› Voyager makes baby Darwin cry.
29/07/2008 22:11:10 ‹Russ› Apparently there's a youtube video of Sisco (Avery?) singing at ComicCon last week
29/07/2008 22:11:12 ‹yoda8myhead› KnightErrantJR, agreed
29/07/2008 22:11:13 ‹Ross› Presence, you like bossy women, then?
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29/07/2008 22:11:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
29/07/2008 22:11:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Jacobs> Awesome.. I am glad I am not the only person to remember that
29/07/2008 22:11:28 ‹Russ› James - that was a gem. I wasn't sure if they meant the prop or the script.
29/07/2008 22:11:35 ‹yoda8myhead› Edit: If Sisko has his head shaved and Jadzia's still around and not Ezri, then it's a good episode
29/07/2008 22:11:38 ‹Presence› Ross, in general, yeah? Well, bossy chicks in space.
29/07/2008 22:11:41 ‹Russ› James - don't forget hot reptile love between Paris and the captain.
29/07/2008 22:11:44 ‹Absinth› Russ, singing or signing?!
29/07/2008 22:11:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› Point
29/07/2008 22:11:45 ‹Mothman› So back to Battlestar Galactica....
29/07/2008 22:11:48 * Sothal [Preacher of Lilith] needs a :coffee:. It's 7:11AM
29/07/2008 22:11:49 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, someone asked earlier something like "What base classs would you like to converted to PFRPG."
29/07/2008 22:11:49 ‹Hill Giant› Isn't her name Bellona, like the Roman goddess of war?
29/07/2008 22:11:52 ‹Russ› singing :)
29/07/2008 22:12:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› But I did love the final episode, even if they did have Ezri around . . .
29/07/2008 22:12:06 ‹Presence› Bossy Chicks in a Taco Shop -- not so much. But in space, sure, hell yeah.
29/07/2008 22:12:21 ‹Blazej› http://www.tvsquad.com/blogger...heaton/
29/07/2008 22:12:28 ‹BM› Yeah, but organized play doesn't have the same DM runnning every game. When you have good DM and Player communacation, you open alot of options that are otherwise off the table.
29/07/2008 22:12:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Blazej> Well.. since none of them are open, my options are limited.. if you mean fan conversions.. the scout and warlock are pretty high on the list
29/07/2008 22:12:36 ‹Zaister_› Jason, I have a question about combat maneuvers: if a fighter uses his 2nd/3rd attack to make a combat maneuver, does he get -5/-10 on his roll?
29/07/2008 22:12:41 ‹Ross› I liked Ezri.
29/07/2008 22:12:44 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yeah... that was the episode where they accidently achieved warp 10, and then they couldn't use it becuase it would hyper evolve everyone, but since they FIXED that problem and unevolved the two, then why couldn't they just warp 10 back home and leave a note for who found the ship on how to fix them?
29/07/2008 22:12:45 ‹James Jacobs› Lame
29/07/2008 22:12:49 ‹yoda8myhead› Hill Giant, B'Elanna
29/07/2008 22:12:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› I hate the fact that a great storyline betwee Jadzia and Worf got scuttled so an actress could do a sitcom with Ted Danson.
29/07/2008 22:13:05 ‹Timitius› The only Voyager episodes that were worth anything had either Q or Riker in them.
29/07/2008 22:13:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> It does not work like that.. most combat maneuvers are an individual action
29/07/2008 22:13:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> but otherwise yes
29/07/2008 22:13:21 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, because they still couldn't control where warp 10 stopped?
29/07/2008 22:13:28 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, I think that is what was wanted, thanks.
29/07/2008 22:13:31 ‹Presence› Dude, chicks with spots. Jadzia was SO HOT
29/07/2008 22:13:57 ‹Mothman› Chicks with spots aren't usually that hot ... but yeah, Jadzia made it work
29/07/2008 22:14:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Voyager = Suck.. I cannot stress it enough....
29/07/2008 22:14:04 ‹Presence› "Remo Williams" <-- haha, the synopsis @ wikipedia is great.
29/07/2008 22:14:12 ‹Daigle› Since we've gotten onto sci-fi series, anyone like Farscape?
29/07/2008 22:14:16 ‹Wyvern› But not worse than Enterprise.
29/07/2008 22:14:24 ‹Jason Bulmahn› We played a game in the office... of pick a random episode.. to see if it sucked.. none of us could find a good one
29/07/2008 22:14:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yes, Jadzia was . . . I actually had a crush on Terry Ferrell since she was in Back to School
29/07/2008 22:14:29 ‹Lilith› Daigle, yes! :) Though I missed 90% of it.
29/07/2008 22:14:30 ‹BM› Jason, any changes to CMB while I thinking of it? Any chance that the Base DC will be lowered from 15?
29/07/2008 22:14:31 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> if you can de-evolve someone... I gotta think you can figure out that warp 10 problem.
29/07/2008 22:14:36 ‹James Jacobs› Lazy scriptwriting.
29/07/2008 22:14:38 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Daigle> Farscape is made of awesome
29/07/2008 22:14:45 ‹Timitius› Farscape = AWESOME. Mmmmm. Claudia Black.
29/07/2008 22:14:47 ‹Pygon› Jason - FYI, in our game we toned down the +20 to Stealth for invis and made it +10 (since we assumed Invis shoudln't make you silent, too :) )
29/07/2008 22:14:51 ‹Ross› Daigle, what I've seen is ok, but I didn't have cable when it was on regularly.
29/07/2008 22:14:52 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> Not in the Beta
29/07/2008 22:14:53 ‹Daigle› It is my favorite...so far.
29/07/2008 22:15:02 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, speaking of lazy scriptwriting...is there any tropes in adventure writing you want to see die a horrible de-atomizing death?
29/07/2008 22:15:04 ‹Zaister_› Jason Bulmahn, thanks, in these cases would other bonuses that one gets to attack rolls also apply? like from bless, or hast, or Weapon Focus with the weapon used, or an nhancement bonus of that weapon?
29/07/2008 22:15:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon> That makes some sense
29/07/2008 22:15:12 ‹Ross› IIRC, my Ex liked it, though.
29/07/2008 22:15:14 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Oh my yes.
29/07/2008 22:15:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> Nope
29/07/2008 22:15:21 ‹Daigle› I especially like that the main character is not from the future.
29/07/2008 22:15:22 ‹Russ› James - well, don't forget next gen's contributions: the transporter can be used to de-age or clone someone.
29/07/2008 22:15:26 ‹James Jacobs› For one... use of the 2nd person in read-aloud text.
29/07/2008 22:15:30 ‹Wyvern› Really? Claudia Black in Farscape gave birth without removing her pants in the middle of a gun fight.
29/07/2008 22:15:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> Actually.. let me think about that...
29/07/2008 22:15:37 ‹Russ› So store someone on an away team in the buffer, and clone them if they die
29/07/2008 22:15:39 ‹Blazej› I liked Voyager, but I have pretty low standards.
29/07/2008 22:15:45 ‹Zaister_› It says it's an attack roll
29/07/2008 22:15:46 ‹Zaister_› :)
29/07/2008 22:15:49 ‹Blazej› For hindsight at least.
29/07/2008 22:15:51 ‹James Jacobs› Next Gen's good stuff far outweighed the silly. This was not the case for Voyager.
29/07/2008 22:15:54 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn, yeah...I was getting some sick rolls for my dwarven monk with that Invisibility/Stealth thing. :D
29/07/2008 22:16:06 ‹Russ› James - Boxed text that TELLS you how you react *tears hair out*
29/07/2008 22:16:22 ‹BM› Jason, any chance of the DC being lowered? Far as I see, on the boards, the consenus is that 15 is too high to start at.
29/07/2008 22:16:23 ‹James Jacobs› Another thing I could stand to see adventure writers get rid of: PASSIVE VOICE
29/07/2008 22:16:28 ‹Russ› Although nearly all boxed text suffers from the terrible problem of telling you the most interesting thing last.
29/07/2008 22:16:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, LOL! Die passive voice, die! :stabbity:
29/07/2008 22:16:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Blazej, that's okay . . . I think Carman Electra is hot too, even though I know it wouldn't be wise to [verb] her with someone else's [noun]
29/07/2008 22:16:52 ‹Daigle› I agree, but rules text is chock full of passive voice.
29/07/2008 22:17:02 ‹David› Russ, "as you enter the room your gripe on reality snaps and you visciously attack the reader of this read aloud text"
29/07/2008 22:17:09 ‹ollibolli› I love B5
29/07/2008 22:17:13 ‹Russ› [5 page description of the scones on the wall] And there's a red dragon here, drawing in its breath.
29/07/2008 22:17:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> I am not sure on that.. to be honest, I would prefer it if those maneuvers were harder to pull off.. they tend to completely eliminate what a character or monster is designed to do.. and make the game less fun... in my experience
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29/07/2008 22:17:24 ‹Russ› sconces too. Not just pastries.
29/07/2008 22:17:25 ‹ollibolli› (at least the first four season)
29/07/2008 22:17:46 ‹Lilith› Russ, aww...but I like scones on the wall! :D
29/07/2008 22:17:47 ‹Mothman› mmm, scones. Maybe the dragon will toast them?
29/07/2008 22:17:54 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Rules may be full of passive voice, but that doesn't make them fun to read.
29/07/2008 22:17:59 ‹James Jacobs› And adventures aren't rules.
29/07/2008 22:18:05 ‹Ross› Russ, if the dragon was first, players wouldn't even listen for the size of the room.
29/07/2008 22:18:06 ‹Timitius› Nah, Jason, you're just a hard-ass DM, that's all. :lol: ;-)
29/07/2008 22:18:07 ‹James Jacobs› They should be fun to read AND run.
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29/07/2008 22:18:15 ‹Russ› Rules can be fun to read <points at the 1st ed DMG>
29/07/2008 22:18:15 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, and they shouldn't be. :)
29/07/2008 22:18:20 ‹Daigle› I totally agree!
29/07/2008 22:18:22 ‹James Jacobs› Oh: Also, read aloud text shouldn't mention monsters.
29/07/2008 22:18:34 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I learned that part! :)
29/07/2008 22:18:38 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Exactly.
29/07/2008 22:18:39 ‹Russ› Eh. I disagree there, but apparently that's how we do things now.
29/07/2008 22:18:46 ‹Zaister_› it shouldn't?
29/07/2008 22:18:59 ‹Russ› I find boxed text that's nothing but the inanimate contents of the room to be off-putting.
29/07/2008 22:19:10 ‹James Jacobs› Nope. Because the monster could be doing different things, depending on the time of day or how much noise the PCs made as they approached, etc.
29/07/2008 22:19:12 ‹Russ› I do prefer a paragraph break before talking about what's happening in the room.
29/07/2008 22:19:15 ‹Zaister_› hmm
29/07/2008 22:19:28 ‹BM› Jason, problem is while I'm not against that stance, 15 is really too high a number. You can take defensive combat training and get that +4 and make anyone with othewise equal CMB need a 19 to suceed on a grapple check.
29/07/2008 22:19:38 ‹Russ› But this gets into my issues with adventures using non-core monsters with no description of them - something PAthfinder sadly does too.
29/07/2008 22:19:47 ‹Zaister_› BM is right
29/07/2008 22:19:59 ‹Daigle› I find it is easier to add the monsters as you read it if they are actually there, rather than having to edit it out while reading it.
29/07/2008 22:20:02 ‹BM› See here:http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfi nderRPG/feedback/alpha3/combatMagic/creaturesImpGrabVsCMB
29/07/2008 22:20:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> True.. but this might be an issue with the feat.. not the DC
29/07/2008 22:20:04 ‹Pygon› I'd agree with that logic, it would still occasionally be nice to see the writer's interpretation of how a creature should be described in the context of the mood they are trying to create.
29/07/2008 22:20:06 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... read aloud text shouldn't be "read aloud" anyway. It should give the GM a handy visual clue to look at to start an encounter and to tell the PCs what they see to set the scene. The read aloud text should not be ABOUT the scene. That's the part that gets played.
29/07/2008 22:20:17 ‹BM› and here: http://paizo.com/paizo/message...ForThem
29/07/2008 22:20:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> I have read it
29/07/2008 22:20:20 ‹Samwise› David>i have had that reaction to boxed text sometimes :-P
29/07/2008 22:20:20 ‹Mothman› James: As you say, adventures shoulf definately be fun to read (since I get to read them a lot more than I DM them nowadays)
29/07/2008 22:20:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› I don't know, I've been using CM as is, and so far, some of them work, some fo them don't, but its not been a big problem with the ratio of success to failure.
29/07/2008 22:20:40 ‹Zaister_› althoigh yesterday I had the situation with an enlder palck pudding that could not fail on its CM roll for grapple
29/07/2008 22:20:50 ‹Pygon› I like the mock conversations in RHoD, it was a concise way of listing the general pattern of responses from an NPC.
29/07/2008 22:20:59 ‹Samwise› James>im sort of yes and no on that
29/07/2008 22:21:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> And this is a problem.. and it is made only more common by lowering the DC to 10
29/07/2008 22:21:15 ‹yoda8myhead› Jason Bulmahn, how does being prone affect one's CMB modifier?
29/07/2008 22:21:17 ‹Samwise› James>it should be a summary, and in that respect suitable to be read aloud
29/07/2008 22:21:28 ‹BM› The problem is that the DC at 15 makes small bonuses here and there matter way too much.
29/07/2008 22:21:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> I think we spelled that out in the Beta
29/07/2008 22:21:34 ‹Zaister_› I'm ok with the 15, it leads to players grumbling though :)
29/07/2008 22:21:38 ‹Samwise› James>but indeed, it should stop well short of telling people how the encounter happens, as you noted
29/07/2008 22:21:43 ‹David› Samwise, it would almost be worth it to try and slip that into an adventure submission...if i ever did one
29/07/2008 22:21:46 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 22:21:53 ‹Zaister_› It thing it could be a nice compromise to ber able to add attack bonuses to the CM roll
29/07/2008 22:22:00 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> yeah... I sort of developed the mock conversation idea over the course of several Dungeons. I think Dave Noonan was the first to do something along those lines in his Dark Sun adventure, but maybe not...
29/07/2008 22:22:08 ‹James Jacobs› But they work a LOT better than boxed text.
29/07/2008 22:22:10 ‹Zaister_› *think
29/07/2008 22:22:16 ‹Samwise› David>read the three Greyhawk Grumblers, we snuck a few things in there at the end ;)
29/07/2008 22:22:24 * jmberaldo takes notes: remove monsters from room descriptions ;)
29/07/2008 22:22:28 ‹David› Absinth, missing stuff?
29/07/2008 22:22:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Dark Sun did some interesting things in adventure design.
29/07/2008 22:22:33 ‹David› Samwise, where at?
29/07/2008 22:22:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> Maybe.. but I feel like that would make it automatic for a well planned character
29/07/2008 22:22:42 ‹Pygon› it was a lot better than starting every sentence with "if the PC's say they blah blah..."
29/07/2008 22:22:46 ‹jmberaldo› I noticed that on paizo stuff and really enjoyed the insight
29/07/2008 22:22:49 ‹James Jacobs› Unless you have a GM who's gifted at dramatic reading (and most are NOT), it's generally better to not have a GM read aloud text but to present it the same way she/he does everything else, I think.
29/07/2008 22:22:53 ‹Pygon› er PCs... sorry.
29/07/2008 22:22:59 ‹Absinth› David, no. Why? I'm making dots to prevent timing out...
29/07/2008 22:23:09 ‹David› oh
29/07/2008 22:23:25 ‹David› was wondering about the dots
29/07/2008 22:23:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› He's leaving breadcrumbs so he doesn't loose the chat room . . .
29/07/2008 22:23:36 ‹James Jacobs› MORE DOTS!
29/07/2008 22:23:40 ‹Samwise› David>the LG section of WotC
29/07/2008 22:23:43 ‹James Jacobs› MINUS FIFTY DKP!
29/07/2008 22:23:44 ‹David› .
29/07/2008 22:23:45 ‹David› ....
29/07/2008 22:23:48 ‹Daigle› :lol: KNight!
29/07/2008 22:23:49 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :rofl:
29/07/2008 22:24:01 ‹Absinth› Aye, capt'n...
29/07/2008 22:24:25 ‹Pygon› Polka Dot?
29/07/2008 22:24:37 ‹Zaister_› Jason Bulmahn, hmm, it's werd to say it's like an attack roll but not quite and you get iterative atack penalties but not attack bonuses
29/07/2008 22:24:38 * Daigle gets his accordian.
29/07/2008 22:24:45 ‹David› ¡s?op ?o? ????n?
29/07/2008 22:24:46 ‹Timitius› You know, I've seen that video, but I don't know what it refers to....
29/07/2008 22:24:51 ‹Zaister_› *weird
29/07/2008 22:24:56 ‹Samwise› David>theres a considerable amount of 4th wall and meta-game references there, though they insisted on editing out some of the best gratuitous references and anachronisms
29/07/2008 22:25:02 * Lilith gets out the fiddle so her & Daigle can play some Zydeco. :whistle:
29/07/2008 22:25:11 ‹BM› Jason, I had have problems with grapple monsters as well. The problem lays at once the monster gets a +5 advantage or more in CMB, the will make grapple checks on a 10, and attempts to break free will only suceed on a 20.
29/07/2008 22:25:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> I agree.. and it is something I need to confirm...
29/07/2008 22:25:13 ‹David› ): ¿s??? ???l ?d?? ?? ??l ?n?o? ??? ?,uo? ??? osl? pu?
29/07/2008 22:25:14 ‹JonShade› :dance2:
29/07/2008 22:25:15 ‹Russ› The problem with the mock conversations is they're even worth than a list of information for bad DMs.
29/07/2008 22:25:17 ‹James Jacobs› David! What did you do! UPSIDE DOWN!!
29/07/2008 22:25:24 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 22:25:25 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 22:25:26 * Hill Giant pulls out his washboard...
29/07/2008 22:25:35 ‹Russ› Bad DMs being even more prone to treat a converstation with an NPC as a round of playing Zork than they might otherwise be.
29/07/2008 22:25:36 ‹Zaister_› Jason Bulmahn, I'm very interested to hear :)
29/07/2008 22:25:44 ‹David› James Jacobs, http://www.revfad.com/flip.html
29/07/2008 22:25:50 ‹Mothman› whoa ... backwards ....
29/07/2008 22:25:51 ‹Russ› Even worse, geez, I got bad substitution problems tonight
29/07/2008 22:25:57 ‹Pygon› It's not hard. I can type episdn umop. hmmph.
29/07/2008 22:25:58 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM, this is true... but it needs to make its check every turn to maintain... and with a 50%....
29/07/2008 22:26:05 ‹Mothman› oh yeah, upside down....
29/07/2008 22:26:11 * Lazaro joins Main
29/07/2008 22:26:15 ‹James Jacobs› woah. The internet.
29/07/2008 22:26:26 ‹Daigle› Howdy Lazaro
29/07/2008 22:26:28 ‹BM› Jason, you get a +5 on that. They only need a 5.
29/07/2008 22:26:30 ‹Samwise› Russ>i freaking HATE the early LG "tradition" of having to play 20 Questions with an NPC to figure out what the adventure was about
29/07/2008 22:26:40 ‹David› ???u s??l? u? o? ?u?l ??? s? s??? ???l dn ?o?s o? ??? u?? ? ?u??? ?luo ???? ?nq ???? p?o? ? op o? ??? un? ? ?q plno? s??? ?u??? ?
29/07/2008 22:26:50 ‹James Jacobs› When you get down to it, though... not much can be done about bad GMs.
29/07/2008 22:26:55 ‹Timitius› ¡p??? ?? o? ?u??sn? s? poolq ??? ll? ¡???
29/07/2008 22:26:56 ‹Charles Evans› AaaargggH!
29/07/2008 22:26:58 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, the Tubes are full of interesting stuff.
29/07/2008 22:27:03 ‹Zaister_› wtf!
29/07/2008 22:27:04 ‹Pygon› except time, maybe.
29/07/2008 22:27:06 ‹Samwise› if the damned npc wants to hire you, hes going to be quite explicit about what he wants you to do for him, not make you guess to remember to ask the password
29/07/2008 22:27:09 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yeah there is! .... :fishslap:
29/07/2008 22:27:10 ‹Mothman› loo?
29/07/2008 22:27:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› The worst CMB issue I've had was the canoloth that snagged the bard and proceeded to eat him to death, but then again, he admited that he shouldn't have got that close to the thing.
29/07/2008 22:27:11 ‹Russ› Samwise> Yep. I call it playing zork. Find the right word to plug into "Ask the baker about [blank]"
29/07/2008 22:27:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› The goliath would have probably broken free fairly easily.
29/07/2008 22:27:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey Lazaro
29/07/2008 22:27:50 ‹Pygon› hi Lazaro
29/07/2008 22:27:55 ‹BM› Page 77 of the Alpha: If your target does not break the grapple, you get a +5 circumstance bonus on grapple checks made against the same target in subsequent rounds.
29/07/2008 22:28:02 ‹Samwise› Russ>i started playing computer games late, but i remember that from early EARLY games
29/07/2008 22:28:08 ‹James Jacobs› The combination of bad adventure design + bad GM = :(
29/07/2008 22:28:14 ‹Samwise› guess the right keyword or the program did nothing
29/07/2008 22:28:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> True, like I said.. I am looking into it.. mind you.. if we lower it to a 10, the check becomes basically automatic with a +5 advantage after turn 1... a problem I am trying to avoid
29/07/2008 22:28:33 ‹Samwise› mind you, i know my solution was only a stopgap for LG
29/07/2008 22:28:35 ‹Lazaro› wow lag....
29/07/2008 22:28:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› James Jacobs, I've played in that campaign before . . .
29/07/2008 22:28:44 ‹Lilith› Lazaro, usually is on first load up
29/07/2008 22:28:44 ‹Russ› I'd still prefer an "idiot block" in any "conversation" section - use these questions as guidance blah blah blah
29/07/2008 22:28:48 ‹Zaister_› is it correct that you can attack normally when grappled?
29/07/2008 22:28:50 ‹Samwise› but i hope it made things a bit better for when the dm was a total twit :-P
29/07/2008 22:28:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> I am aware of the rules... thanks.
29/07/2008 22:28:57 ‹JonShade› The combination of bad adventure design + bad GM = :stabbity:
29/07/2008 22:28:58 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yeah, that's cryworthy. :cry:
29/07/2008 22:29:06 ‹Mothman› hey Lazaro
22:29:16 ‹BM› Yeah, but on the flip side, the players may be able to brake free, and thus end it early.
29/07/2008 22:29:17 ‹Samwise› Russ>i went with "make it a handout and let the players read it (since you are too stupid to tell them)"
29/07/2008 22:29:30 ‹Samwise› naturally without the part in parentheses ;)
29/07/2008 22:29:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> Yup.. but the chances are basically the same on both sides...
29/07/2008 22:29:44 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 22:29:48 * Timitius quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 22:29:54 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 22:30:00 ‹James Jacobs› My favorite was a review that someone posted of an adventure I'd written and he TRASHED the adventure, but everything that he hated about it was something stupid that his GM did or changed or messed up. There's no way to reply to that without looking like a douche so I just grit my teeth and move on...
29/07/2008 22:30:04 ‹Absinth› Saved! :)
29/07/2008 22:30:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> Either the monster needs to get a 5 and you need a 20, or the the monster needs above a 1 and you need a 15...
29/07/2008 22:30:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› I've read a few comments like that before James
29/07/2008 22:30:51 ‹Mothman› James: usually when someone posts something like that, sooner or later someone will chime in with "man, your DM sucks"
29/07/2008 22:31:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Of course I've also seen people take shots at various settings based on having horrible DMs for that setting as well.
29/07/2008 22:31:10 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, my favorite is the complaint about layout. :-S
29/07/2008 22:31:13 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. And that did eventually happen on that thread.
29/07/2008 22:31:14 ‹BM› The solution I would go with is lower the base DC and remove the +5 bonus.
29/07/2008 22:31:20 ‹James Jacobs› What adventure was it... hmmm...
29/07/2008 22:31:36 * cthulhu surfaces behind David......
29/07/2008 22:31:55 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, like the Realms... one can never have an adventure in the Forgotten Realms without Elminster being in volved... BULLSHIT.. your DM just sucks
29/07/2008 22:31:58 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> What complaint is that? "TOO MUCH MARGINS AND SPACE WASTED ON ART! GIVE US WALL-TO-WALL TEXT AT FONT SIZE 3!!!!!"
29/07/2008 22:32:15 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, something like that yeah. :rofl:
29/07/2008 22:32:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› Urza, heh, yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking
29/07/2008 22:32:25 ‹Zaister_› hehe
29/07/2008 22:32:25 ‹Mothman› they would be nutbags right James?
29/07/2008 22:32:26 ‹Samwise› James>i actually had the reverse once, someone talking about how they liked an adventure, but everything they liked was flavor i added to an otherwise dull adventure ;)
29/07/2008 22:32:32 ‹Pygon› yeesh. I look forward to finally reading AP3 with the larger font.
29/07/2008 22:32:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> But doing so makes all of the other combat maneuvers a bit too easy for monsters (and PCs designed to maximize their bonus) to use the other combat maneuvers, like trip and disarm...
29/07/2008 22:32:39 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 22:32:39 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 22:32:39 ‹Pygon› (I saved AP2 to play in)
29/07/2008 22:32:44 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yes. Exactly. They are nutbags.
29/07/2008 22:32:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› The best defense I've ever heard for that was from Erik when he said, "so, if the Captain of the guard in town is 5th level, your 1st level characters shouldn't matter?"
29/07/2008 22:33:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> I realize that is what you and many others would prefer, but right now, I am willing to see it play out a bit longer
29/07/2008 22:33:10 ‹yoda8myhead› Pygon, font size is changing?
29/07/2008 22:33:23 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead, it did from AP 1 to AP 2.
29/07/2008 22:33:25 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Runelords had a larger font than we do now, but I understand your point.
29/07/2008 22:33:29 ‹Pygon› yoda - it changed for AP2. It was "tiny" in AP1.
29/07/2008 22:33:45 * Charles Evans joins Main
29/07/2008 22:33:48 ‹Russ› Eh, Urza, Realms stuff IS pretty bad, pound for pound.
29/07/2008 22:33:50 ‹James Jacobs› Font size in Runelords = 9. Font size for Crimson Throne onwards = 8.5
29/07/2008 22:34:10 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, however, font was goofy. :P
29/07/2008 22:34:13 ‹Pygon› it's a different style though, right?
29/07/2008 22:34:16 ‹James Jacobs› It was
29/07/2008 22:34:22 ‹Russ› How does the actual size of the characters compare, tho?
29/07/2008 22:34:24 ‹David› it was the font type change too
29/07/2008 22:34:28 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I do like the 2-column layout in the Pathfinder modules. Very nice. :)
29/07/2008 22:34:31 ‹BM› Jason Bulmahn, I can understand, but I also understand when the fighter feels helpless when a monsters grapples him, and when he and his allies can't free him short of killing the monster in question.
29/07/2008 22:34:35 ‹Charles Evans› I am fed up with timing out....
29/07/2008 22:34:36 ‹Pygon› so the lettering itself is larger was what I meant, yeah
29/07/2008 22:34:40 ‹James Jacobs› It's a different font. It's a great example of how changing a font can make a HUGE difference.
29/07/2008 22:34:45 ‹Russ› I mean, yeah, in theory a point is a point, but I've seen fonts that sure don't play nice with that
29/07/2008 22:34:51 ‹David› i miss the designer notes pics :(
29/07/2008 22:34:56 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; the 2 column layout is much easier to deal with.
29/07/2008 22:34:56 ‹Charles Evans› Thi is not a good night for connecting for me...
29/07/2008 22:35:02 ‹James Jacobs› The designer note pics are coming back.
29/07/2008 22:35:09 ‹Zaister_› cool!
29/07/2008 22:35:10 * Cthulhu disappears again
29/07/2008 22:35:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> How is that worse that the monster almost automatically grappling anything it attacks? I am just curious here.. both are frustrating in my book..
29/07/2008 22:35:12 ‹James Jacobs› No such notes were written for Last Baron.
29/07/2008 22:35:13 ‹David› yay!
29/07/2008 22:35:13 ‹Daigle› Yay!
29/07/2008 22:35:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› BM, I guess there might be an advantage to carrying a light weapon then?
29/07/2008 22:35:17 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, GOOD. I love them. Pocza does such a good job with them.
29/07/2008 22:35:31 ‹Ross› Font point sizes dnote height, not width. It takes both of those to make a font readable.
29/07/2008 22:35:35 ‹Samwise› James> i was very suspicious of that font change, but i agree, and i was very happy with the change
29/07/2008 22:35:39 ‹Russ› Can't you use any weapon in a grapple in PFRPG?
29/07/2008 22:35:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› Good point, forgot.
29/07/2008 22:35:58 ‹Russ› Ross - I'm talking height, not width.
29/07/2008 22:35:58 ‹David› so LB1 was the 'fault' of the author not the new format...
29/07/2008 22:36:04 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> As a general rule, you can expect changes to the way things work in Pathfinder to be attempts at improvement. :)
29/07/2008 22:36:05 ‹Zaister_› KnightErrantJR, I thin kthe new grapple rules don't restrict your fighting except you cant make AoOs
29/07/2008 22:36:12 ‹Russ› As in, you type both fonts on the same line, and the one is much smaller even at the same size
29/07/2008 22:36:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> Any one handed weapon
29/07/2008 22:36:20 ‹Charles Evans› I'll try and catch up with this chat from the post, and email James if I have a question. Goodnight everyone. <stomps off muttering darkly about timing out and lag>
29/07/2008 22:36:32 * JonShade changes his/her nickname to JS.:sleep:
29/07/2008 22:36:34 * Charles Evans quit
29/07/2008 22:36:35 ‹Ross› Russ, yeah. That really isn't supposed to happen.
29/07/2008 22:36:42 ‹Samwise› James>sorry dude, it will take a considerable string of such before i lose my WotC inspired cynicism ;)
29/07/2008 22:36:43 ‹James Jacobs› And the fault of the developers/editors. LB1 fell in a weird dead zone between employess, alas.
29/07/2008 22:36:46 * All is right in the world ;)
29/07/2008 22:36:49 ‹Russ› Hmm, so we still canm't do the two-handed chop at the tentacle that is in so much fantasy art? :)
29/07/2008 22:37:10 ‹Pygon› looks like I'll be reading the forums for that one then...
29/07/2008 22:37:15 ‹Russ› Sometimes you'll see that when a font makes the lower cases smaller (proportionally) than is typical
29/07/2008 22:37:18 ‹Absinth› .
29/07/2008 22:37:24 ‹Daigle› Congrats, gentlemen on 25k downloads!
29/07/2008 22:37:33 ‹Pygon› ah yes, congrats :)
29/07/2008 22:37:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› Anyway, in my group, the cleric didn't have much of a chance with CM, the paladin was never interested, the goliath rogue/barbarian, who was designed to do them, did them well, and the gnome and the bard were hopeless at it.
29/07/2008 22:37:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Daigle> Thanks
29/07/2008 22:37:43 ‹Lilith› Yeah! Rock that out guys! :headbang:
29/07/2008 22:37:50 ‹Mothman› Oh yeah Daigle, that's cool
29/07/2008 22:37:56 ‹Samwise› James>but you are building up a considerable streak of successes!
29/07/2008 22:37:57 ‹Ross› It does make sense that some monsters just won't let go unless you're an extraordinarily skilled grappler.
29/07/2008 22:38:02 ‹Mothman› That's .... a lot of downloads
29/07/2008 22:38:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Which all seemed to make sense.
29/07/2008 22:38:07 ‹Link Monkey› http://graphjam.com/2008/06/20...-squad/
29/07/2008 22:38:11 ‹Russ› We'll see ifthat translates into 10k of sales...
29/07/2008 22:38:18 ‹Mothman› PFRPG is the new pr0n
29/07/2008 22:38:26 ‹Daigle› :lol:
29/07/2008 22:38:31 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn, I really dig the ki pool for the monk - any plans on expanding that to other skills/abilities? Such as granting differing bonuses based on monk level?
29/07/2008 22:38:39 ‹Russ› I always hated the system whereby you could only draw a weapon if you could already get out of the grapple without drawing a weapon. Is PFRPG going to fix that?
29/07/2008 22:38:48 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> I would like too.. but it might be for a different book
29/07/2008 22:38:48 ‹BM› I just find it annoying, particualy when monsters are built to do shitloads of damage when they grapple. It ends up that you want to end the grapple to save the PC and you can't do anything to save them. Its annoying when the only hope you have is when the monsters screws up.
29/07/2008 22:38:51 ‹James Jacobs› Thanks, Daigle!
29/07/2008 22:38:59 * Lilith gives Link Monkey a banana!
29/07/2008 22:39:07 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> I believe we already have
29/07/2008 22:39:11 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> That's the goal.
29/07/2008 22:39:22 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn, NEAT. Maybe based on martial arts styles?
29/07/2008 22:39:29 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> Well.. the friends could always aid in the grapple check... you can still do that
29/07/2008 22:39:34 ‹James Jacobs› 10K sales would be SUPER AWESOME>
29/07/2008 22:39:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> I would think so
29/07/2008 22:39:47 ‹Daigle› That'd be fun
29/07/2008 22:40:00 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn, :woot:
29/07/2008 22:39:59 ‹James Jacobs› And I suspect well above what we'd need to break even... unless we print a super-ginormous number of hte books.
29/07/2008 22:40:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Aiding is often overlooked . . . my players do it A LOT though.
29/07/2008 22:40:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Except for the poor bard that got eaten to death by the Canoloth . . .
29/07/2008 22:40:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> You know what would also be awesome.. an ENnie... this is your friendly reminder to go and vote...
29/07/2008 22:40:23 ‹Pygon› Someone here is ordering over 10 for all their players :) I'll only be getting one though
29/07/2008 22:40:28 ‹Zaister_› hehe
29/07/2008 22:40:36 ‹James Jacobs› I already DID vote.
29/07/2008 22:40:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Knight> Bards are delicious
29/07/2008 22:40:39 ‹Pygon› I voted, even gave kudos to Ruins of Greyhawk!
29/07/2008 22:40:42 ‹Zaister_› I'm ordering ybout a dozen, yes :)
29/07/2008 22:40:46 ‹James Jacobs› But that was before they reset it all.
29/07/2008 22:40:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› I already voted for a boatload of Paizo stuff!
29/07/2008 22:40:49 ‹James Jacobs› So now I need to go vote again.
29/07/2008 22:40:50 ‹David› *cough* Zaister*cough*
29/07/2008 22:40:51 * THE CHATROOM ORDERS YOU TO GO VOTE AT http://www.ennieawards.com/vot...x.phtml
29/07/2008 22:41:14 ‹Daigle› I voted Monday, so I have to vote again.
29/07/2008 22:41:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey, at least he was roleplaying his low wisdom when he attacked the thing . . . ;-)
29/07/2008 22:41:18 ‹Lilith› Oh look, different IP address, I can vote again...:twisted:
29/07/2008 22:41:19 ‹Zaister_› DAvid: for me and the playeers of my group
29/07/2008 22:41:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> Nice.. I have been wondering what happened on days when over a dozen preorders popped up in the span of 10 minutes
29/07/2008 22:41:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> That seems unfair... to everyone else... :-)
29/07/2008 22:41:49 ‹jmberaldo› Ok, I need to sleep. Im getting crosseyed looking at InDesign :)
29/07/2008 22:41:52 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› back
29/07/2008 22:42:02 ‹Pygon› gnite jmb, good luck with all your stuff
29/07/2008 22:42:07 ‹Zaister_› Jason Bulmahn, that might have be me playing with the shipping :) I've done some optimizing
29/07/2008 22:42:07 ‹David› im waiting to hope i can get an alternate cover of 13 to ship with my beta
29/07/2008 22:42:21 ‹David› jmberaldo, nite!
29/07/2008 22:42:21 ‹BM› I would be more interested incoparating CMB into other things. One of the Ideas I been playing with is having feats that you can take which allow you to do Combat Manuevers that do effects like blinding an enemy or ability damage, or block attacks (or counter attack)
29/07/2008 22:42:27 ‹jmberaldo› good night (or morning). It was great to chat with you guys
29/07/2008 22:42:31 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn, Mwah-hah-hah!
29/07/2008 22:42:35 ‹jmberaldo› thanks Pygon!
29/07/2008 22:42:40 * Lilith steps away for a moment.
29/07/2008 22:42:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> I have been seriously considering this very thing as well.. make sure to post your ideas up to the message boards
29/07/2008 22:43:19 ‹David› BM, cool
29/07/2008 22:43:34 ‹yoda8myhead› I suspect Ennie voting fowl-play
29/07/2008 22:43:41 ‹yoda8myhead› *foul
29/07/2008 22:43:44 ‹David› heh
29/07/2008 22:43:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Other maneuvers would be interesting. The Goliath player always had me on my toes coming up with strange ideas.
29/07/2008 22:43:51 ‹James Jacobs› VOTED
29/07/2008 22:43:58 ‹yoda8myhead› first it's up a week late, then they reset it after the landslide for Paizo
29/07/2008 22:43:59 ‹Mothman› see you jmberaldo
29/07/2008 22:44:18 * Sir Wulf joins Main
29/07/2008 22:44:25 ‹Absinth› They did reset it?!
29/07/2008 22:44:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› "Can I shove something in the ankheg's mouth hold it open, then shove a torch into it?"
29/07/2008 22:44:30 ‹David› hi Wulf
29/07/2008 22:44:31 ‹Zaister_› Jason Bulmahn, have you given thought to the DC 60 Diplomacy check problem btw?
29/07/2008 22:44:31 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sir Wulf!
29/07/2008 22:44:33 ‹David› Absinth, es
29/07/2008 22:44:33 ‹Pygon› who are your favorite publishers, James?
29/07/2008 22:44:36 ‹David› *yes
29/07/2008 22:44:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> I think they reset it due to some of the companies being left off the ballot.. but you could be right :-)
29/07/2008 22:44:51 ‹James Jacobs› They did. They forgot to add Goodman Games to the list, I guess.
29/07/2008 22:44:58 ‹James Jacobs› My favorite publisher is PAIZO!
29/07/2008 22:45:06 ‹Absinth› I voted yesterday, so I can vote again?
29/07/2008 22:45:08 ‹yoda8myhead› I noticed Goodman wasn't there
29/07/2008 22:45:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> Not much... as of yet, I have been a bit preoccupied
29/07/2008 22:45:14 ‹Pygon› of course! I meant the favorite 4 or so :)
29/07/2008 22:45:20 ‹Russ› Voted.
29/07/2008 22:45:21 * jmberaldo quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 22:45:21 * jmberaldo quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 22:45:21 ‹David› whats your 2nd-20th favorite?
29/07/2008 22:45:21 ‹James Jacobs› Others include Chaosium, Green Ronin, Malhavoc, Necromancer, and Goodman.
29/07/2008 22:45:22 ‹Ross› Absinth, you should. Yesterday's vote won't count.
29/07/2008 22:45:24 ‹Daigle› They wiped all the votes from yesterday, Absinth
29/07/2008 22:45:26 ‹yoda8myhead› I figured they got in bad for their refusal to use the GSL for their 4e-compatible stuff
29/07/2008 22:45:34 ‹Russ› That's pretty lame (vote reset)
29/07/2008 22:45:35 ‹Pygon› Absinth - the yreset everything from day 1, so if you can get in, you can vote again
29/07/2008 22:45:42 ‹Zaister_› Jason Bulmahn, ah ok
29/07/2008 22:45:54 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Not as lame as leaving Goodman off the list, though.
29/07/2008 22:46:09 * Absinth quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 22:46:14 ‹Daigle› I was wondering why OD wasn't listed in the publishers list.
29/07/2008 22:46:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Bad deal all the way around . . . no really good way to fix it I would guess.
29/07/2008 22:46:24 ‹David› Daigle, me too
29/07/2008 22:46:54 ‹yoda8myhead› Jason, how active has Monte been recently? Are you still using him as a sounding board or is he playing a different role now?
29/07/2008 22:47:06 ‹Russ› Be nice if they were a bit more ept
29/07/2008 22:47:24 ‹Daigle› Pregnancy tests?
29/07/2008 22:47:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
29/07/2008 22:47:42 ‹Pygon› *graon*
29/07/2008 22:47:44 ‹Pygon› oa
29/07/2008 22:47:52 ‹Zaister_› Jason Bulmahn, you might find this article enlightening on the diplomacy issue: http://www.thealexandrian.net/...gn.html
29/07/2008 22:48:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> Good as far as I know.. since the Beta, we have been quiet a bit lately.. that will pick up again soon
29/07/2008 22:48:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Jason, do you think playing a campaign using the Critical Hit and Fumble decks will skew useful information from the playtest?
29/07/2008 22:48:35 ‹Ross› Giant in the Playground has a good take on diplomacy, too.
29/07/2008 22:48:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› I really like the Burlew diplomacy article.
29/07/2008 22:48:56 ‹David› Jason Bulmahn, hurray for thhe Necrons!
29/07/2008 22:49:16 * David is reading LiveJournal
29/07/2008 22:49:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Knight> Not too much
29/07/2008 22:49:22 ‹BM› Hell, the boards feel quiet with the lull till the release of the bete.
29/07/2008 22:49:27 ‹BM› *beta
29/07/2008 22:49:32 * Rambling Scribe bites tongue
29/07/2008 22:49:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› David> Indeed... yes.. they are doing quite well.. although the imperial guard has been giving me some trouble
29/07/2008 22:49:51 ‹Pygon› until the August crates ship. then there will be much downloading.
29/07/2008 22:50:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› I only ask because I went from worried about a hydra encounter (with CMB versus sunder for the heads, etc), to laughing my ass off as the paladin got two criticals in a row and nearly wiped out the hydra single handedly due to Critical hit cards she got.
29/07/2008 22:50:34 ‹David› they are my main force in DoW second being the Tau or space marines...
29/07/2008 22:50:40 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> That is not quite as possible anymore.. the Diplomacy thing.. first off, you cannot increase someone's attitude by more than two ranks.. and it clearly states that it does not work on some monsters...
29/07/2008 22:50:43 ‹Pygon› KEJR - David killed my Bladebearer with a x3 scorching ray :(
29/07/2008 22:51:06 ‹David› Pygon, that was fun
29/07/2008 22:51:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> To top it off, your bonus will not be nearly as high...
29/07/2008 22:51:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . I had a player, brand new to the campaign, cast his first spell of the campaign, confirmed a fumble, and cursed himself to -4 to hit until he could get it removed.
29/07/2008 22:51:48 ‹David› heh
29/07/2008 22:51:57 ‹Jason Bulmahn› David> I approve of these choices you have made.. The necron are pretty solid once you get the res orb up and running.. nothing quite like getting your force wiped and then having them all stand right back up again
29/07/2008 22:52:02 ‹Zaister_› that's good nut it only delays the problem - the problem is that you cannot defend against the dc 60 check at all usually
29/07/2008 22:52:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› David> just like in the minis game.. actually
29/07/2008 22:52:44 ‹Daigle› Are you doing anything with generic NPC classes in the Beta?
29/07/2008 22:52:55 ‹Pygon› Looks like I'm out. Thanks again, James and Jason, and good luck!
29/07/2008 22:52:57 ‹Mothman› ENnie voting done!
29/07/2008 22:53:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> Yeah.. but you cannot use it to make a hostile monster your buddy anymore.. reread diplomacy...
29/07/2008 22:53:13 ‹Daigle› Have a good night, Pygon!
29/07/2008 22:53:16 ‹Lazaro› later pygon
29/07/2008 22:53:19 ‹Zaister_› ah that's good
29/07/2008 22:53:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Daigle> you mean the NPC classes.. no, they are unchanged..
29/07/2008 22:53:32 * Pygon quit
29/07/2008 22:53:33 * Pygon joins Main
29/07/2008 22:53:36 ‹Daigle› Cool.
29/07/2008 22:53:40 ‹Daigle› and thanks.
29/07/2008 22:53:48 ‹yoda8myhead› Jason Bulmahn, how much do you forsee the PrC's changing when they get added?
29/07/2008 22:53:49 ‹Blazej› Only weed can make a hostile monster your buddy now :P
29/07/2008 22:53:58 ‹Zaister_› lol
29/07/2008 22:54:07 ‹David› Jason Bulmahn, yeah but the eldar are a pain with thier waygates when i know where they are but can hit em till i play it out for an hour
29/07/2008 22:54:33 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› Is Fantasy Flight Games still missing from the Publisher list?
29/07/2008 22:54:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> Depends on the class
29/07/2008 22:54:35 ‹Blazej› Dude. It's like, I can breathe fire. Woah.
29/07/2008 22:54:37 * Pygon quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 22:55:00 ‹ollibolli› <--- breakfast
29/07/2008 22:55:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› David> hmm.. I have not played against the eldar yet.. I am still having issues with the damn baneblades of the IG
29/07/2008 22:55:13 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, is the NPC CR penalty getting adjusted, if NPC classes are unchanged and the PC classes are still getting their power boosts?
29/07/2008 22:55:20 ‹yoda8myhead› Arcane Trickster? Heirophant?
29/07/2008 22:55:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm planning on using PrCs pretty much as it . . . not even with the BAB/HD changes for starters (Eldritch Knights, for example, are kind of tricky if you change things)
29/07/2008 22:55:34 ‹BM› And any idea of what changes will happen to the Dragon Disciple which IMO the PrC that will most likey have to suffer the biggest changes, due to the bloodlines?
29/07/2008 22:55:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross> NPC classes are still worth less to CR
29/07/2008 22:55:56 ‹Ross› Right, but it the difference going form -1 to -2, for example.
29/07/2008 22:55:58 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> I am not ready to say yet
29/07/2008 22:56:21 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross> I would need to recheck my files on that one.. it has been a bit since I monkeyed with that chapter
29/07/2008 22:56:39 ‹David› Jason Bulmahn, im playing the Soulstorm campaign...the eldar are the nearest force right from the start the fall quick but the waygates :shakefist:
29/07/2008 22:56:41 ‹Daigle› That was something I was thinking about as well, Ross.
29/07/2008 22:56:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Well everybody.. I am running short on time tonight I am afraid... last questions
29/07/2008 22:57:01 ‹BM› Because you haven't thougt about it yet, or more along the lines that you're not ready to spoil it yet?
29/07/2008 22:57:04 ‹James Jacobs› What's wrong with a 21st level commoner being the same CR as the Tarrasque?
29/07/2008 22:57:08 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, re: baneblades, monoliths backed by warriors with disruption fields.
29/07/2008 22:57:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› David> I am playing Dark Crusade and they are kinda far away.. fortunately
29/07/2008 22:57:19 ‹Daigle› :lol:
29/07/2008 22:57:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross> This is true
29/07/2008 22:57:51 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> A couple of things.. the Tarrasque is way too weak :-P
29/07/2008 22:58:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> No spoiling yet
29/07/2008 22:58:15 ‹James Jacobs› That's all about the Tarrasque's open-ended advancement line.
29/07/2008 22:58:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> True enough
29/07/2008 22:58:36 ‹Zaister_› :)
29/07/2008 22:58:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› I liked the CR 30 Tarrasqe from the ecology article
29/07/2008 22:58:46 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› What's the ECL of a 21st lvl human commoner again?
29/07/2008 22:59:03 ‹Zaister_› A tarrasque based AP would be cool :)
29/07/2008 22:59:04 ‹James Jacobs› 20
29/07/2008 22:59:04 ‹Blazej› 21
29/07/2008 22:59:21 ‹Ross› Sothal [Preacher of Lilith], ECL - 21. CR, 20. 19 if you agree that Commoner is worse than Expert.
29/07/2008 22:59:22 ‹James Jacobs› Zaister> I've been trying to fit the tarrasque into an AP since Age of Worms, actually.
29/07/2008 22:59:22 ‹BM› I wonder why the hell that metropolises don't reliy on those epic level commoners that live in them.
29/07/2008 22:59:33 ‹Sir Wulf› Don't underestimate those commoners. If you don't have a housecat, they can be formidable...
29/07/2008 22:59:42 ‹Blazej› Epic farmers.
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29/07/2008 22:59:54 ‹Zaister_› James Jacobs, I mean along the lines where awakening of the tarrasque is basically the crux of the AP
29/07/2008 23:00:19 ‹James Jacobs› We had a Dungeon adventure submission about a paragon human for a bit near the end there. Jeremy was a huge fan of it... Me, not so much.
29/07/2008 23:00:38 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, numenorian?
29/07/2008 23:00:42 ‹James Jacobs› Zaister> Yeah. Actaully, I do have a Tarrasque AP in my head. SOME day...
29/07/2008 23:00:52 ‹Zaister_› cool!
29/07/2008 23:00:58 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Alright folks.. I am out.. talk to you all next week....
29/07/2008 23:01:04 ‹Daigle› The other four NPC classes are actually pretty neat, in my opinion.
29/07/2008 23:01:05 ‹yoda8myhead› later Jason
29/07/2008 23:01:09 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› JJ: doesn't that hurt? (Tarrasque in head)
29/07/2008 23:01:10 ‹Daigle› Have a good night Jason, thanks for stopping by!
29/07/2008 23:01:13 ‹Sir Wulf› Later!
29/07/2008 23:01:14 ‹Zaister_› good night Jaseon
29/07/2008 23:01:17 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, maybe AP 5?
29/07/2008 23:01:21 ‹Lazaro› later Jason
29/07/2008 23:01:22 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> Nope. Just a cult wanted to sacrifice this farmer dude who had the epic Paragon template. but the adventure itself was pretty meh.
29/07/2008 23:01:25 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, bye!
29/07/2008 23:01:30 ‹Zaister_› and think about the CM as attack roll stuff :)
29/07/2008 23:01:35 ‹Absinth› Okay, I have to leave for work now. Thanks for chatting, guys. It was fun! Have a nice day or night (wherever you are...).
29/07/2008 23:01:38 ‹James Jacobs› Nah; the tarrasque fits right in!
29/07/2008 23:01:49 ‹Daigle› Take care Absinth!
29/07/2008 23:01:55 ‹David› Jason Bulmahn, bye!
29/07/2008 23:01:56 ‹BM› Night Jason!
29/07/2008 23:02:16 ‹David› Absinth, bye!
29/07/2008 23:02:16 ‹Blazej› Bye Bulmahn.
29/07/2008 23:02:19 ‹Zaister_› has the tarrasques ever been used in an official adventure?
29/07/2008 23:02:22 ‹Zaister_› -s
29/07/2008 23:02:30 ‹Rambling Scribe› Bye Jason!
29/07/2008 23:02:44 ‹Daigle› I think the world is ready for a tarrasque adventure. ;)
29/07/2008 23:02:44 ‹yoda8myhead› James, care to reveal some of the specific chapters different authors wrote for the CS, now that we know who they are?
29/07/2008 23:02:57 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya, Jason!
29/07/2008 23:03:18 * David wants to know about quarter 3 ;)
29/07/2008 23:03:23 ‹Lilith› Night Bullman!
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29/07/2008 23:03:37 ‹Lazaro› i agree with the others, we need a tarrasque adventure
29/07/2008 23:03:39 * yoda8myhead thinks the Tarrasque should have DR 100/-
29/07/2008 23:03:44 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I'm not sure who wrote all of the CS chapters. I can say what ones I wrote, of course (Darklands and Varisia and a big chunk of the deities).
29/07/2008 23:03:46 ‹Zaister_› hehe
29/07/2008 23:03:50 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› I still miss Fantasy Flight Games in the 'Fan Choice Best Publisher' section of the ENnie Voting...
29/07/2008 23:03:52 ‹yoda8myhead› and Fast Healing 50
29/07/2008 23:04:09 ‹James Jacobs› Todd Stewart did the Multiverse section. Sean Reynolds did the 20 core deities.
29/07/2008 23:04:24 ‹James Jacobs› I believe Ed Greenwood wrote the secton on elves.
29/07/2008 23:04:25 ‹BM› And some form of breath weapon to shoot down those pesky fliers.
29/07/2008 23:04:34 ‹yoda8myhead› what did Keith Baker do?
29/07/2008 23:04:47 ‹James Jacobs› Jason Nelson did the sample NPCs and part of the psionics (I did the other part of psionics).
29/07/2008 23:04:54 ‹James Jacobs› I don't know what Keith did.
29/07/2008 23:05:22 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, YAY! PSIONICS! :dance2:
29/07/2008 23:05:27 * Zaister_ quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 23:05:29 ‹Blazej› Could we have a list of what each author did at some point?
29/07/2008 23:05:30 * Link Monkey quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 23:05:30 ‹yoda8myhead› who designed the PrCs?
29/07/2008 23:05:35 ‹Zaister› oh, psionics?
29/07/2008 23:05:46 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Perhaps...
29/07/2008 23:05:52 ‹James Jacobs› Amber Scott built the harrower.
23:05:56 ‹Blazej› Alright, Thanks.
29/07/2008 23:05:59 ‹James Jacobs› I did the Red Mantis assassin.
29/07/2008 23:06:13 ‹James Jacobs› Jason Nelson may have done a few of them too...
29/07/2008 23:06:40 ‹yoda8myhead› I guess Mike would be the one to ask on this, right?
29/07/2008 23:06:47 * Absinth quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 23:06:48 ‹David› James Jacobs, is the red mantis a revision or a different version than thhe one in the AP?
29/07/2008 23:06:49 ‹Hill Giant› I only wrote half the base class writeups, and get to have my name on that list. amazing.
29/07/2008 23:06:50 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
29/07/2008 23:07:02 ‹James Jacobs› He had a master list on his computer, but that drive got wiped recently.
29/07/2008 23:07:13 ‹James Jacobs› So the only record now would be sifting through the giant stack of contracts.
29/07/2008 23:07:45 ‹James Jacobs› David> The red mantis in the CS is the same as the one in Pathfinder. But with the error fixed (They use Charisma for their spells, but the AP version had Intelligence in there somewhere)
29/07/2008 23:07:59 ‹David› ahh ok
29/07/2008 23:08:04 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant wrote half the base class writeups! :)
29/07/2008 23:08:10 ‹Daigle› Do you sign all of those contracts or do you have a stamp these days, James?
29/07/2008 23:08:41 ‹James Jacobs› The red mantis was a last minute inclusion, actually, because the prestige class that WAS gonna go in there was WAY too complicated and unnecessary and didn't have art anyway.
29/07/2008 23:08:48 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> All hand-signed!
29/07/2008 23:08:51 * Samwise quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 23:09:25 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, with a special pen? :P
29/07/2008 23:09:25 ‹Blazej› The Calculus Master of Abadar is a bit complicated.
29/07/2008 23:10:07 ‹Daigle› If blue is special.
29/07/2008 23:10:10 * BM quit (timeout)
29/07/2008 23:10:19 ‹Daigle› :P
29/07/2008 23:10:20 ‹Lilith› Daigle, every color is special! :P
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29/07/2008 23:10:27 ‹Daigle› :lol:
29/07/2008 23:11:24 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yup! With one of my many BLUE pens.
29/07/2008 23:11:32 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I like purple. :)
29/07/2008 23:11:43 ‹James Jacobs› Purple is Sutter's color.
29/07/2008 23:11:54 ‹James Jacobs› We all have our own color so we can identify each other's comments.
29/07/2008 23:11:54 ‹Daigle› Black ink...all the way.
29/07/2008 23:12:05 ‹Ross› Okay. I almost just face-planted into the keyboard. Clearly, I need to go to bed.
29/07/2008 23:12:07 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, in a perfect world, would you do a Devil-Daemons-Demons set of books?
29/07/2008 23:12:16 ‹James Jacobs› Black is no good for editing, since it looks the same as the text.
29/07/2008 23:12:17 ‹Lilith› And what kind of things would you include in it?
29/07/2008 23:12:23 ‹Daigle› Ross, have a great evening!
29/07/2008 23:12:31 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yes. In a perfect world, each of those three would get their own 64 page book.
29/07/2008 23:12:40 ‹Rambling Scribe› Me too...:sleep:
29/07/2008 23:12:48 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... in a PERFECT world, each would get a 256 page book, but people freak out at how much those cost, so...
29/07/2008 23:12:55 ‹Ross› Daigle, it's morning already!
29/07/2008 23:13:05 ‹Zaister› ok just ordered my 12 beta books :)
29/07/2008 23:13:13 ‹David› ive infected 70 people with the Paizo Wurm in Pandemic II
29/07/2008 23:13:17 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› 12?
29/07/2008 23:13:18 ‹Lazaro› night scribe, night ross
29/07/2008 23:13:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Ross, Night all!
29/07/2008 23:13:26 ‹Ross› G'night.
29/07/2008 23:13:36 ‹Daigle› Whichever ;)
29/07/2008 23:13:37 ‹Zaister› Sothal [Preacher of Lilith], yeah for me and the players of my three groups
29/07/2008 23:13:44 ‹Hill Giant› 'night, people who are leaving!
29/07/2008 23:13:48 ‹James Jacobs› The golarion demon book would include stats for all 30 or so Demon Lords, about a dozen or two new demons, and lots of Abyssal layer maps and writeups. Which would make it closer to a few hundred pages than not.
29/07/2008 23:13:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› In line with Lilith's dem-dev-dem question . . . have any of the Princes of Hell from Kobold Quarterly wheedled into your way of thinking about Hell (other than Jezebel, that is)
29/07/2008 23:14:01 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› from Paizo? or Amazon?
29/07/2008 23:14:05 ‹James Jacobs› (and by all 30 demon lords, of coursre, I mean the 30 we've named so far)
29/07/2008 23:14:11 ‹Zaister› after optimizing shipping I get to about 24 € per book including shipping, tax and customs
29/07/2008 23:14:17 ‹Zaister› from paizo of course
29/07/2008 23:14:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'd buy it, but hey, that's me.
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29/07/2008 23:14:46 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> A little, yah. We have our own nine arch devils, of course, but I suspect all of the dukes and other guys from the Kobold articles are in there somewhere if they wanna b e.
29/07/2008 23:14:55 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› Nice price... How does that work?
29/07/2008 23:15:22 ‹David› 575 infected now heh
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29/07/2008 23:15:46 ‹Zaister› Sothal [Preacher of Lilith], nothing special about it, just Pathfinder Advantage and some juggling/optimizing the shipping cost
29/07/2008 23:16:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› One of the things I liked about that series is that it is detailing dukes and functionaries, and the the Lords of the Nine or their equivilant.
29/07/2008 23:16:19 ‹yoda8myhead› k, everyone, I gotta hit the sack.
29/07/2008 23:16:30 ‹Lilith› night yoda8myhead
29/07/2008 23:16:32 ‹Daigle› Dream well, yoda
29/07/2008 23:16:33 ‹David› night yoda
29/07/2008 23:16:34 ‹yoda8myhead› My game got cancelled tomorrow night, so I'll see you for the PFS chat
29/07/2008 23:16:36 ‹Blazej› Night yoda.
29/07/2008 23:16:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night yoda
29/07/2008 23:16:38 ‹Hill Giant› 'night, yoda
29/07/2008 23:16:40 ‹yoda8myhead› (and all day at work tomorrow too)
29/07/2008 23:16:42 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› Night yoda... Zaister, unbelivable
29/07/2008 23:16:49 ‹Lazaro› later yoda8myhead
29/07/2008 23:16:53 ‹yoda8myhead› bye bye
29/07/2008 23:16:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› I meant, a
29/07/2008 23:17:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› "and not" the Lord of the Nine
29/07/2008 23:17:10 * yoda8myhead quit
29/07/2008 23:17:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Mayhap I need to retire soon.
29/07/2008 23:17:26 ‹Zaister› I calculated that it's optimal to order 4-8 books in one order, below or abouv that shipping cost is higher
29/07/2008 23:18:09 ‹James Jacobs› I'm fading too. Any last minute questions?
29/07/2008 23:18:40 ‹Hill Giant› what is the meaning of life?
29/07/2008 23:18:42 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› Have a good night James Jacobs, and thanks for the fish ... erm, chat.
29/07/2008 23:18:47 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, HUGS! :glomp: :cookie:
29/07/2008 23:18:54 ‹James Jacobs› YAY
29/07/2008 23:18:56 ‹Daigle› Why do time zones always screw Texas?
29/07/2008 23:18:56 ‹Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]› nice one HG
29/07/2008 23:18:56 ‹Blazej› Thanky James.
29/07/2008 23:18:59 ‹David› none here
29/07/2008 23:19:09 ‹David› Daigle, what about Iowa?
29/07/2008 23:19:14 ‹James Jacobs› OK then! Seeya all next week for the LAST CHAT BEFORE GEN CON!!!!!!
29/07/2008 23:19:16 ‹Zaister› good night, James!
29/07/2008 23:19:21 ‹Daigle› Well, Iowa has its own problems.
29/07/2008 23:19:32 ‹Daigle› Have a great night James and thanks for stopping by!
29/07/2008 23:19:32 ‹Hill Giant› 'night, James!
29/07/2008 23:19:39 ‹Lazaro› night james
29/07/2008 23:19:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› Great, now I'm all nervous about Gen Con again . . . :mrgreen:
29/07/2008 23:19:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night james
29/07/2008 23:20:03 ‹Daigle› Why are you nervous, Knight?
29/07/2008 23:20:15 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :headbang:
29/07/2008 23:20:19 ‹Lilith› Thanks James Jacobs!
29/07/2008 23:20:31 ‹Mothman› bye James
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05/08/2008 20:04:58 * James Jacobs joins Main
05/08/2008 20:05:00 <KnightErrantJR> Dedicate poster
05/08/2008 20:05:04 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs!!! Welcome to the party!!! Are you ready for the gauntlet of questions!?!
05/08/2008 20:05:05 <Pygon> hi James!
05/08/2008 20:05:05 <greengrunt> Hey James!
05/08/2008 20:05:06 <Plagued CD> Brain removal/
20:05:11 <James Jacobs> OOOH! Snazzy colors!
05/08/2008 20:05:22 <Uzzy> Also, we have comedies other then Monty Python, you know!
05/08/2008 20:05:27 <Pygon> congrats on getting out all the goods early
05/08/2008 20:05:28 <Webmistress is AJAXing> James Jacobs,
05/08/2008 20:05:29 <Ross @ Work> I may be stuck at work, but I can still chat!
05/08/2008 20:05:29 * Justin Sluder points at Webmistress is AJAXing
05/08/2008 20:05:36 <KnightErrantJR> James!
05/08/2008 20:05:37 <David> Hi James!
05/08/2008 20:05:38 <David> Hi James!
05/08/2008 20:05:39 * Webmistress is AJAXing changes his/her nickname to Webmistress
05/08/2008 20:05:44 <greengrunt> Aye Uzzy... I lose track.. We're behind over here
05/08/2008 20:05:46 <Mothman> Hey James
05/08/2008 20:05:58 <James Jacobs> Yeah; Jeff just finished bringing us all our office copies of all this stuff... whew.
05/08/2008 20:06:18 <David> what stuff?
05/08/2008 20:06:22 <James Jacobs> JJ is indeed HEALTHY. Well.. not sick, at least.
05/08/2008 20:06:28 <Mothman> The GenCon stuff?
05/08/2008 20:06:29 <Pygon> "Rhymes with bow" , and I have that REM song stuck in my head now...
05/08/2008 20:06:34 <David>
05/08/2008 20:06:41 <greengrunt> Great to hear James!
05/08/2008 20:06:58 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs,
05/08/2008 20:07:11 <James Jacobs> All of the Gen Con releases; the Beta, Pathfinder 12, Pathfinder 13, Yetisburg, the hardcover Campaign Setting, Worlds of their Own, The Second Darkness Player's Guide, a flip mat, a map pack and some other stuff.
05/08/2008 20:07:15 * Pygon is glad to be reading PF's again
05/08/2008 20:07:25 <greengrunt> Holy crap JJ...
05/08/2008 20:07:37 <James Jacobs> Yeah; I'm pretty proud of that REM quote, actually. It looks so cool set next to that picutre.
05/08/2008 20:07:43 <David> wow lotsa stuff
05/08/2008 20:07:47 <Mothman> Wow .... thats a lot of stuff James!
05/08/2008 20:07:51 * Justin Sluder wants all of that
05/08/2008 20:07:51 <James Jacobs> TOO much stuff.
05/08/2008 20:07:57 <greengrunt> Aye
05/08/2008 20:08:02 <KnightErrantJR> Sounds like that would make a fine birthday present . . . early . . .
05/08/2008 20:08:04 <James Jacobs> As in... more typos and errors got in there than I want.
05/08/2008 20:08:07 <Webmistress> James Jacobs, yes, our wallets are realizing that...
05/08/2008 20:08:12 <greengrunt>
05/08/2008 20:08:23 <Pygon> yeah shame that. not a breaker though
05/08/2008 20:08:28 <James Jacobs> Yup.
05/08/2008 20:08:48 <Mothman> Ah well .... lot of stuff to edit after all ....
05/08/2008 20:08:52 <Webmistress> Anything new that you're particularly proud of in the releases JJ?
05/08/2008 20:09:06 <greengrunt> Editing...
05/08/2008 20:09:11 <James Jacobs> That they all came out before Gen Con.
05/08/2008 20:09:17 <James Jacobs> That's the big thing.
05/08/2008 20:09:21 <James Jacobs> And that Pathfinder got caught up.
05/08/2008 20:09:24 <James Jacobs> That's the bigger thing.
05/08/2008 20:09:25 <Webmistress> James Jacobs, That is something to be proud of.
05/08/2008 20:09:30 <Pygon> before August too, I was amazed.
05/08/2008 20:09:52 <greengrunt> JJ you mentioned that PF would get caught up soon.. CONGRATS!
05/08/2008 20:10:11 <David> greengrunt, it is!
05/08/2008 20:10:11 <KnightErrantJR> So . . . um . . . eventually you'll have a lot more to say about demons? Is that what I read somewhere today?
05/08/2008 20:10:13 <Mothman> Yeah, I get TWO Pathfinders and a players guide this month! Thats cool
05/08/2008 20:10:25 <James Jacobs> The tricky part is, of course, that time spent at sea or in customs is so variable... it normally takes 6 weeks (which is the case here) but we had to add in 2 extra weeks. Just in case.
05/08/2008 20:10:26 <Mothman> YES - DEMONS!
05/08/2008 20:11:08 <James Jacobs> Knight> Tomorrow's blog, which actually goes live in 4 hours, has a bit more to say about our demons. And in Pathfinder #15 there's a demon worshiper prestige class. And in Pathfinder #18 I'll have an 8 page article about Golarion's Demon Lords.
05/08/2008 20:11:10 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, I've heard that Pacific freighters are starting to run slower to save fuel. Is that going to be affecting you guys at all?
05/08/2008 20:11:22 <James Jacobs> Ross> Yup.
05/08/2008 20:11:25 <Plagued CD> me too
05/08/2008 20:11:25 <greengrunt> JJ is the first Pathfinder Companion coming out??
05/08/2008 20:11:26 <KnightErrantJR> Gigity . . .
05/08/2008 20:11:31 <James Jacobs> All of the fuel crunch stuff is affecting us.
05/08/2008 20:11:42 <James Jacobs> It's part of the changing world, and we gotta change with it.
05/08/2008 20:11:46 <Webmistress> James Jacobs, Yay! Demon fun for everybody!
05/08/2008 20:11:58 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, Demons!!!!
05/08/2008 20:12:06 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> The Second Darkness Player's Guide is the first Pathfinder Companion; it'll be out at Gen Con (and I suspect is already shipping out anyway)
05/08/2008 20:12:07 <David>
05/08/2008 20:12:08 <Justin Sluder> fuel prices
05/08/2008 20:12:12 * cappadocius waits for the day it's cheaper for the game companies to bring the customers to the books.
05/08/2008 20:12:26 <greengrunt> Coolness... ty
05/08/2008 20:12:26 <David> heh
05/08/2008 20:12:31 <KnightErrantJR> You missed you badic internet post check . . . "Demon fun for everyone" would have maintained the cadence . . .
05/08/2008 20:12:56 <Pygon> excellent on the demon lords
05/08/2008 20:13:02 * Pete joins Main
05/08/2008 20:13:10 <greengrunt> Hi Pete
05/08/2008 20:13:18 <Justin Sluder> howdy Pete
05/08/2008 20:13:25 <David> hi Pete
05/08/2008 20:13:41 <Pygon> I just wanted to remind everyone that PF3 has a nice rendering of Riddleport with the arch that actually matches the map!
05/08/2008 20:13:53 <greengrunt>
05/08/2008 20:13:57 <Justin Sluder>
05/08/2008 20:14:06 * Rambling Scribe joins Main
05/08/2008 20:14:16 <greengrunt> Hey RS!!
05/08/2008 20:14:22 <Pygon> hi Scribe
05/08/2008 20:14:25 <Mothman> hey Pete, hey Craig
05/08/2008 20:14:27 <Hill Giant> hey, Scribbles
05/08/2008 20:14:29 <Ross @ Work> I'm sure that that arch is onna-dem elf-gates. Goes to Castrovel or whatnot.
05/08/2008 20:14:29 <Justin Sluder> howdy Rambling Scribe
05/08/2008 20:14:32 <David> hi!
05/08/2008 20:14:33 <Rambling Scribe> Good evening all!
05/08/2008 20:14:36 <Webmistress> Scribbles!
05/08/2008 20:14:57 <Webmistress> Pete!
05/08/2008 20:15:00 <James Jacobs> We actually reveal in Pathfinder #13 what the Cyphergate does, If I Recall Correctly.
05/08/2008 20:15:02 <Pygon> James - which supplement or PF will provide the most extensive treatment of the drow?
05/08/2008 20:15:05 <Mothman> Ross: I think James (or someone) said at some point that its not a Stargate
05/08/2008 20:15:15 <greengrunt> RS>Did you finish... Sheet.. was it Bonehunters??
05/08/2008 20:15:22 <Pygon> (or Companion)
05/08/2008 20:15:23 <Mothman> Oh! Its evealed in PF13 .... gotta read....
05/08/2008 20:15:24 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, ah. I haven't had time to go through it in detail yet.
05/08/2008 20:15:36 <Rambling Scribe> Reaper's Gale: I did finish it.
05/08/2008 20:15:43 <greengrunt> Awesome!
05/08/2008 20:15:46 <greengrunt> And??
05/08/2008 20:15:46 <Rambling Scribe> And Night of Knives.
05/08/2008 20:15:58 <Rambling Scribe> I thought they were both great!
05/08/2008 20:16:05 <Dalvyn> James Jacobs, can you already tell us which gods will be described in the articles of Second Darkness and Legacy of Fire (after Caiden Cailean)?
05/08/2008 20:16:06 <greengrunt> Night of Knives was ok..
05/08/2008 20:16:08 <KnightErrantJR> I hope it doesn't suck the whole town into another plane or something.
05/08/2008 20:16:26 * heathansson joins Main
05/08/2008 20:16:36 <KnightErrantJR> Heathy!
05/08/2008 20:16:37 <Mothman> yo Heath
05/08/2008 20:16:38 <Justin Sluder> howdy heathansson
05/08/2008 20:16:39 <Webmistress> heathy!!!!
05/08/2008 20:16:39 <greengrunt> I didn't like the bored I wanna see the world character in Night of Knives
05/08/2008 20:16:40 <Hill Giant> warewoof!
05/08/2008 20:16:43 <Pete> Hey Everybody!
05/08/2008 20:16:47 <Pygon>
05/08/2008 20:16:50 <greengrunt> Hey Heath
05/08/2008 20:16:51 <Pygon> hi Pete
05/08/2008 20:16:54 * yoda8myhead joins Main
05/08/2008 20:16:56 <Mothman> yohoho and a bottle of rum, even
05/08/2008 20:16:58 <Justin Sluder> hiya yoda
05/08/2008 20:17:03 <Webmistress> Mothman,
05/08/2008 20:17:05 <Pete> yoyoyoda
05/08/2008 20:17:07 <Mothman> yoda!
05/08/2008 20:17:08 <greengrunt> YODA!!
05/08/2008 20:17:13 <heathansson> hey now!!! Webmistress is lilith I assume?
05/08/2008 20:17:16 <Mothman> Lilith, indeed!
05/08/2008 20:17:17 <yoda8myhead> hey
05/08/2008 20:17:18 <Webmistress> heathansson, yes
05/08/2008 20:17:20 <heathansson> Hey now!
05/08/2008 20:17:24 * Webmistress takes off her Webmistress outfit.
05/08/2008 20:17:27 <Rambling Scribe> Greengrunt; i loved the fight between Karsa and the Emperor.
05/08/2008 20:17:30 * Webmistress changes his/her nickname to Lilith
20:17:39 <greengrunt> RS> That was awesome!
05/08/2008 20:17:42 <yoda8myhead> I'm no in my normal time zone...is the chat supposed to be now?
05/08/2008 20:17:50 * Pete hides his eyes while Webmistress changes
05/08/2008 20:17:53 <Hill Giant> "Webmistress takes off her Webmistress outfit."? Wahoo!
05/08/2008 20:17:53 <David> yoda8myhead, yes
05/08/2008 20:17:53 <heathansson> Heh heh...
05/08/2008 20:17:56 <greengrunt> RS> I loved what Karsa did to that Seguleh
05/08/2008 20:18:02 <Pygon> yoda - it just started
05/08/2008 20:18:14 <greengrunt> RS> stomping to take her off balance.. That was bad ass
05/08/2008 20:18:24 <James Jacobs> Pygon> There'll be drow stuff in all of the Second Darkness books, but PF 15 and PF 16 (and Into the Darklands) will have the majority of the Drow stuff.
05/08/2008 20:18:32 <Rambling Scribe> That was a brutal fight!
05/08/2008 20:18:39 <greengrunt> Aye
05/08/2008 20:19:03 <Pygon> cool, thanks
05/08/2008 20:19:03 <James Jacobs> Dalvyn> Second Darkness will cover Cayden Cailean and then Calistria. Legacy of Fire will cover Sarenrae and then Rovagug.
05/08/2008 20:19:04 <Mothman> hehe, Lilith's nekkid!
05/08/2008 20:19:12 <Dalvyn> Thanks
05/08/2008 20:19:16 <Ross @ Work> Mothman,
05/08/2008 20:19:18 <KnightErrantJR> "Webmistress takes off her Webmistress outfit." Was that Webmistress or Runelord of Lust?
05/08/2008 20:19:20 <heathansson> arrrr!
05/08/2008 20:19:24 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, do you know if the Planet Stories shipment arrived today as scheduled?
05/08/2008 20:19:30 <James Jacobs> It did.
05/08/2008 20:19:39 <James Jacobs> I have a copy of "Worlds of their Own" on my desk Right Now.
05/08/2008 20:19:41 <Justin Sluder>
05/08/2008 20:19:45 <James Jacobs> I just touched it.
05/08/2008 20:20:01 * Justin Sluder is not touching you................
05/08/2008 20:20:02 <James Jacobs> It's ALMOST as big as Northwest of Earth.
05/08/2008 20:20:06 <David> cool!
05/08/2008 20:20:07 <Mothman> Ha! I bet James'd rather be reading than chatting tonight...
05/08/2008 20:20:12 <KnightErrantJR> Did it resonate with the pulsing power of a thousand shared worlds?
05/08/2008 20:20:14 <greengrunt> (greengrunt gives a belated hullo to Lilith now that the lass has revealed herself)
05/08/2008 20:20:16 <Pete> JJ: So with everything done for GenCon are you guys just sitting around?
05/08/2008 20:20:24 <KnightErrantJR> Or something like that?
05/08/2008 20:20:25 <James Jacobs> I'm WOEFULLY behind on my Planet Stories, alas.
05/08/2008 20:20:37 <Lilith> James Jacobs, same...
05/08/2008 20:20:42 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, ditto
05/08/2008 20:20:46 <Lilith> But I have a long plane flight awaiting me next week.
05/08/2008 20:20:48 <greengrunt> Editing Planet Stories.. Or reading them??
05/08/2008 20:20:56 <Uzzy> James, any word on what products, if any, you'll guys have at GenCon UK?
05/08/2008 20:20:57 <David> i don't have any to start yet
05/08/2008 20:20:59 <James Jacobs> Pete> Oh my god no... there's a LOT still to be done before Gen Con. For me: That = getting ahead by a week so that Gen Con doesn't put is BEHIND a week.
05/08/2008 20:21:18 <greengrunt> Argh
05/08/2008 20:21:21 <James Jacobs> Reading planet stories! I don't edit them At All. That's all James Sutter and Chris Carey and Erik Mona.
05/08/2008 20:21:25 <KnightErrantJR> I took off Wednesday finally to give myself a little more breathing room.
05/08/2008 20:21:41 <greengrunt> That sounds rough... getting a week ahead of the Con
05/08/2008 20:21:57 <James Jacobs> Uzzy> I assume we'll have pretty much everything we have at Gen Con over at Gen Con UK; no new products will be coming out before then, except MAYBE "Children of the Void."
05/08/2008 20:22:17 <James Jacobs> greengrunt> It is rough. Not nearly as rough as doing 2 Pathfinders in a month though.
05/08/2008 20:22:27 <Uzzy> So you'll have a stand for your products?
05/08/2008 20:22:34 <KnightErrantJR> Well, at least the poor person left behind at the office won't have to deal with the 4th edition bombshell this year as happened last year . . .
05/08/2008 20:22:53 <James Jacobs> I suspect we'll have a booth there, yeah. I'm not sure though; I'm not going to Gen Con UK.
05/08/2008 20:22:56 <greengrunt> .. 2 in .. a month.. (going to vomit from the pressure imagined due to empathic link)
05/08/2008 20:23:11 <Justin Sluder> KnightErrantJR, this year they'll have to deal with 5e
05/08/2008 20:23:17 <yoda8myhead> KnightErrantJR, the 5th edition bombshell, though...
05/08/2008 20:23:20 <Pygon> James - is the font you used for Second Darkness the same for Crimson Throne? There was some discussion here - someone seemed to think it looked different. I zoomed in on the PDFs - they looked the same to me, except the Second Darkness font might have looked just a little pixelated. I haven't seen the printed product yet.
05/08/2008 20:23:26 <KnightErrantJR> Heh
05/08/2008 20:23:41 <greengrunt> 5E... Oh ... crap
05/08/2008 20:23:44 <Ross @ Work> Pygon, James Jacobs, yeah. I was the guy claiming it looked different.
05/08/2008 20:23:44 <yoda8myhead> durn you, Justin Sluder!
05/08/2008 20:23:53 <Justin Sluder> yoda8myhead,
05/08/2008 20:24:06 <Pygon> Ross - yeah sorry, I wasn't sure
05/08/2008 20:24:13 <James Jacobs> The main body font we use in Second Darkness is the same as the font for Crimson Throne. The background is different, though.
05/08/2008 20:24:15 * Lilith gets all twitchy for the Campaign Setting.
05/08/2008 20:24:41 <Lilith> The Pathfinder Society PDFs are gorgeous and easy to read. Well done on that.
05/08/2008 20:24:49 <Ross @ Work> Pygon, huh. You were right, and I am crazy.
05/08/2008 20:24:57 <Rambling Scribe> I can't wait to see them!
05/08/2008 20:24:59 <Pygon> Ross - *shrugs* don't know
05/08/2008 20:25:03 * Justin Sluder is because he doesn't have the pdf's yet
05/08/2008 20:25:06 <KnightErrantJR> Yeah, printing mine now . . . looks great even before the "final pass"
05/08/2008 20:25:22 <Lilith> Rambling Scribe, are you running 1 or 2? You should have gotten an email about them.
05/08/2008 20:25:46 <Rambling Scribe> I'm only running #4, so I'll be the last to get it.
05/08/2008 20:25:48 <James Jacobs> I suspect if the fonts look different, it's due to the interplay between font inks and background inks.
05/08/2008 20:25:55 <James Jacobs> BUT: It's the same font, so <shrug?>
05/08/2008 20:26:01 <Rambling Scribe> But I do have a bit of an inside track on it...
05/08/2008 20:26:16 <Lilith> Rambling Scribe, considering you wrote it.
05/08/2008 20:26:37 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, it was in the PDF. To me, it looked like the same font but the SD one had be 'typeset-ized', that is, made to mimic the imperfections of printing.
05/08/2008 20:27:04 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, but if it's the same font its the same font.
05/08/2008 20:27:54 <James Jacobs> Weird things happen to the PDFs at times...
05/08/2008 20:27:58 <Pygon> James - the Crimson Throne Map Folio was the first map folio I received in a subscription. I checked the maps in the PDF to see if they were Copy/Pastable for online use, but in the PDF they are separated into chunks. The PF PDFs however allow you to save the whole map in one Copy. Was there a reason for the digital layouts being different between them?
05/08/2008 20:28:05 <greengrunt> Aye
05/08/2008 20:28:36 <greengrunt> Pygon.. The Crimson Throne map folio is out already??
05/08/2008 20:28:43 <Lilith> greengrunt, yes
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05/08/2008 20:28:49 <Pygon> gg - yes, it's with the August releases
05/08/2008 20:28:50 <yoda8myhead> greengrunt, came out Thursday to subscribers
05/08/2008 20:28:53 <greengrunt> Good lord.. I am sooo behind
05/08/2008 20:28:56 <James Jacobs> Pygon> That's something we're hoping to fix. We DO want you to bring in whole maps via copy/paste from a PDF. Having them be all separated into chunks is, I suspect, a miscommunication or error at the PDF creation stage.
05/08/2008 20:29:10 * Adam joins Main
05/08/2008 20:29:11 <Pygon> ok, thanks
05/08/2008 20:29:18 <James Jacobs> It will hopefully be fixed sooner than later.
05/08/2008 20:29:23 <greengrunt> Hi Adam
05/08/2008 20:29:23 <Lilith> Adam!
05/08/2008 20:29:27 <Adam> Howdy ladies and gents!
05/08/2008 20:29:34 <Pygon> hi Adam
05/08/2008 20:29:37 <Justin Sluder> greetings Adam
05/08/2008 20:29:52 <Rambling Scribe> Hi Adam!
05/08/2008 20:30:03 <Adam> I'm working out of town tonight, so I'm running abit late.
05/08/2008 20:30:07 <Blazej> Hello Adam.
05/08/2008 20:30:16 <yoda8myhead> Adam, I'm out of town tonight too!
05/08/2008 20:30:17 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, I did like how the (apparently erroneous) font looked, if that counts for anything.
05/08/2008 20:30:23 <yoda8myhead> Yay for vacations!
05/08/2008 20:30:39 <greengrunt> Yoda.. I'm always out of town.. IN my head
05/08/2008 20:30:41 <James Jacobs> Where was this weirdo interloper font at, Ross? Now I'm curious...
05/08/2008 20:30:41 <Adam> Lucky you, yoda
05/08/2008 20:31:10 <yoda8myhead> I leave in 30 mins for the airport though. Redeye straight to work in the morning's gonna suck
05/08/2008 20:31:14 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, the body text in PF13. The part I was zooming in on once I noticed was in the adventure background.
05/08/2008 20:31:27 <yoda8myhead> so James, get those spoilers out in the next half hour please
05/08/2008 20:31:39 <Ross @ Work> I learned it's not intuitive to get Acrobat to tell you what font it's using.
05/08/2008 20:32:12 <Pygon> James - last question I had ready there may be some items in certain subs that some people don't necessarily need or want. I know they can just cancel their sub then re-subscribe again, but would there be a possibility to select certain items to not be included in a sub? For example, I'm hesitant to allow the map folios because for my purposes, I really don't need them.
05/08/2008 20:33:10 <James Jacobs> Ross> Huh. Weird. Looks like the normal Pathfinder font at my end here.
05/08/2008 20:33:16 <yoda8myhead> Pygon, I think piecemealing a sub goes against the business advantages of a subscription model for Paizo.
05/08/2008 20:33:34 <Pygon> yoda - I would in no way disagree with you on that.
05/08/2008 20:33:44 <James Jacobs> Yoda> Spoilers, eh?
05/08/2008 20:34:19 <yoda8myhead> yes, before my redeye flight
05/08/2008 20:34:28 <heathansson> *GONG*
05/08/2008 20:34:38 <Adam> Heathy!!!
05/08/2008 20:34:55 <James Jacobs> Pygon> At this point, the only way to select items you don't want from your subscription is to start/stop the subscription, or just not subscribe and pick and choose which products to buy. Enabling a "pick and choose" subscription defeats the whole purpose of the subscription, and it's not something our store code supports anyway, I suspect.
05/08/2008 20:35:02 <heathansson> hey now! Oh, Adam is Daigle. duuh...
05/08/2008 20:35:11 <Pygon> James - as I suspected. thanks
05/08/2008 20:35:26 <James Jacobs> We ARE talking though about what to do with those map folios, and whether or not we should include them in that subscription.
05/08/2008 20:35:27 <greengrunt> (Greengrunt thinks: "Isn't Redeye the name of some awful drink mix involving Jaegermeister and Strawberry Daquiri mix??)
05/08/2008 20:35:31 <Adam> ...and Howdy Scribbles, Justin, Blazej, yoda, Pygon and greeny!
05/08/2008 20:35:40 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, I just reopened the file to try to get a sample, but now it looks normal to me too. So I'm going toward 'I must be crazy.'
05/08/2008 20:35:40 <Mothman> hmmm ... there's an Adam AND a Daigle....
05/08/2008 20:35:41 <Blazej>
05/08/2008 20:35:49 <yoda8myhead> greengrunt, yes
05/08/2008 20:35:50 <Lilith> greengrunt, blargh!
05/08/2008 20:35:51 <Ross @ Work> Oh, hey! The alt cover art is in the per-chapter PDF!
05/08/2008 20:35:59 <Adam> Mothy, I'm out of town on my lappy right now.
05/08/2008 20:36:04 <Rambling Scribe> Adam and Daigle are twins.
05/08/2008 20:36:08 <James Jacobs> Ross> Either that or your PDF reader was causin' trouble!
05/08/2008 20:36:10 <Skeld> James Jacobs, i vote no on map folios ... maybe just offer single poster maps for purchase?
05/08/2008 20:36:16 <Mothman> Ah, cool - then hi Daigle!
05/08/2008 20:36:17 <James Jacobs> Yup! Alt Cover is indeed in there.
05/08/2008 20:36:18 <Hill Giant> I'm seeing double - four Daigles!
05/08/2008 20:36:25 <greengrunt>
05/08/2008 20:36:30 <Adam>
05/08/2008 20:36:33 <James Jacobs> Skeld> Single maps are too expensive to produce.
05/08/2008 20:36:40 <yoda8myhead> greengrunt, It's also a terrible terrible horror movie, and a flight that starts late at night and travels such a distance against the rotation of the earth that it gets the passengers to their destination the following morning
05/08/2008 20:36:56 <heathansson> Snakes on a Plane?
05/08/2008 20:37:06 <greengrunt> Argh Yoda! Is this work related??
05/08/2008 20:37:07 <Skeld> James Jacobs, that's too bad ... i'd still say no then ... the map folios are low-utility from my POV
05/08/2008 20:37:36 * Justin Sluder can never have to many maps
05/08/2008 20:37:39 <Lilith> If I could get my group to play in Golarion, I'd probably get some use out of the Map Folios.
05/08/2008 20:37:42 <yoda8myhead> greengrunt, no it's a nice relaxing vacation, but I do have to work in to morning
05/08/2008 20:38:09 <greengrunt> Well.... Turdburglars! Call in sick!
05/08/2008 20:38:16 <Adam> The only problem with map folios is that they, so far, are the same thing I can print at home, except on glossy paper.
05/08/2008 20:38:16 <Pygon> If was I playing tabletop, it might be handy to have a separate map sitting next to me
05/08/2008 20:38:25 <Mothman> James, is anyone in the office playing or DMing CotCT or Second Darkness as yet?
05/08/2008 20:38:29 <yoda8myhead> Skeld, I agree. I have a subscription to everything and read it all, but only need separate maps for campaigns I run, and I have so far only started RotR
05/08/2008 20:38:49 * Samwise joins Main
05/08/2008 20:39:04 <Justin Sluder> hiya Samwise
05/08/2008 20:39:04 <Pygon> welcome Mr. Weiss
05/08/2008 20:39:08 <Rambling Scribe> Tonight my group finished Kings of the Rift from the Age of Worms...
05/08/2008 20:39:13 <greengrunt> Yoda> what level are your PCs now
05/08/2008 20:39:13 <yoda8myhead> Adam, poster maps are nice
05/08/2008 20:39:18 <Skeld> Lilith, i could definately see using them if they were all the maps made into posters with 1" squares, but most of the maps are too small ... i can copy them from the PDF and paste into power point and print to get essentially the same effect
05/08/2008 20:39:18 <greengrunt> Hi Samwise
20:39:30 <yoda8myhead> greengrunt, right on the verge of 2, but still 1
05/08/2008 20:39:31 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, is the alt-cover art in the Burnt Offerings pdf?
05/08/2008 20:39:46 * Fray joins Main
05/08/2008 20:39:50 <greengrunt> Yoda> any deaths yet??
05/08/2008 20:39:51 <Adam> Yoda...right! I forgot about those.
05/08/2008 20:39:55 <Russ> Greetings peoples
05/08/2008 20:39:57 <greengrunt> Hi Fray
05/08/2008 20:39:58 <Mothman> Hi Samwise
05/08/2008 20:40:03 <Fray> hiya gang
05/08/2008 20:40:06 <Pygon> Ross - I'll look
05/08/2008 20:40:05 <Adam> Howdy Fray!
05/08/2008 20:40:06 <Mothman> hey Fray
05/08/2008 20:40:10 <Ross @ Work> I like the map folios, but I'd understand removing them from the subs...but I WOULD miss the free PDFs. They aren't worth the cost to me without the PDF.
05/08/2008 20:40:20 <Russ> I don't find the map folios terribly useful.
05/08/2008 20:40:27 <Samwise> howdy
05/08/2008 20:40:34 <yoda8myhead> James can you explain how elves with "dark souls" become drow in Golarion? That part of the SD overview has me most intrigued
05/08/2008 20:40:43 <James Jacobs> Mothman> No one's currently running CotCT or Second Darkness in the office. We haven't actually had TIME for office games for many months, due to various crazy stuff. That'll change after Gen Con; I'm gonna start up an office Sandpoint campaign, at the VERY least.
05/08/2008 20:40:52 <yoda8myhead> greengrunt, no deaths
05/08/2008 20:40:55 <Pygon> Ross - I don't see it in the chapter PDF
05/08/2008 20:40:57 <Lilith>
05/08/2008 20:41:07 <Lilith> James Jacobs, how is Lisa's RotRL game going?
05/08/2008 20:41:22 <Russ> I'd rather see them close to a $10 price point for what they are, $15 seems awfully steep for recycled material
05/08/2008 20:41:23 <greengrunt> Cool JJ.. So you'll be DMing!? Will you blog it in Bigfoot Country??
05/08/2008 20:41:40 <James Jacobs> Skeld> Yeah; to do the maps at 1" squares we'd have to pay the cartographer THOUSANDS of dollars to basically redraw all of the maps, since they weren't produced at a resolution capapble of supporting 1" squares.
05/08/2008 20:41:45 <Skeld> goodnight all, i have maps of the wreck to prep for my Friday STAP session ... wreck, woohoo
05/08/2008 20:41:48 <Russ> But yeah, given the free PDF, I'd just as soon have them in the subs
05/08/2008 20:41:57 <Mothman> James: that sounds cool. Sandpoint before or after the events of RotRL? I always thought a game (maybe a one off rather than a campaign) set during the murders or leading up to the Sandpoint Fire or something would be cool!
05/08/2008 20:41:59 <greengrunt> Night Skeld
05/08/2008 20:42:08 <Skeld> James Jacobs, sounds like a good deal for the cartographer
05/08/2008 20:42:15 <James Jacobs> yoda> That section of elves becoming drow is something that gets covered later in Second Darkness. The exact rules aren't all worked out yet, though.
05/08/2008 20:42:17 <Pygon> Skeld - woot! have fun
05/08/2008 20:42:21 <heathansson> Anybody whack the sandpoint devil?
05/08/2008 20:42:33 <Adam> Take care Skeld!
05/08/2008 20:42:36 * Absinth joins Main
05/08/2008 20:42:40 <James Jacobs> Lilith> Lisa's not that far in, but so far it seems to be working well!
05/08/2008 20:42:46 <Fray> He eats mt kibbles, the sandpoint devil does.
05/08/2008 20:42:51 <David> hi absinth
05/08/2008 20:42:53 <greengrunt> I was whacked BY the Sandpoint.. Straight into 2013.. Does that count?
05/08/2008 20:43:02 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, I'm not sure that kind of thing should have rules. I don't want people asking 'why isn't he a drow' when a normal elf has an evil alignment.
05/08/2008 20:43:05 <Lilith> James Jacobs, neat! Might you pass on a request to post a campaign journal?
05/08/2008 20:43:05 <Dalvyn> Hi Absinth
05/08/2008 20:43:10 <Adam> I nearly put the Sandpoint Devil in my current campaign, but thy are oretty far away.
05/08/2008 20:43:13 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> I will indeed be GMing the Sandpoint campaign. And I'll quite likely blog about it on Bigfoot Country, and on the messageboards at paizo.com as well...
05/08/2008 20:43:13 <Fray> hiya Absinth
05/08/2008 20:43:15 <Ross @ Work> It's more fun if its mysterious
PF12 COTCT SPOILERS!!!
20:43:21 <Absinth> Good morning!
05/08/2008 20:43:34 <Adam> Howdy Absinth
05/08/2008 20:43:34 <greengrunt> Cool JJ.. Looking forward to it
05/08/2008 20:43:34 <Skeld> night
05/08/2008 20:43:41 <James Jacobs> Mothman> It'll probably be Sandpoint 5 years or so before Runelords, to be honest...
05/08/2008 20:43:54 * Adam dislikes using his laptop.
05/08/2008 20:44:00 <Lilith> James Jacobs, cool!
05/08/2008 20:44:04 <Plagued CD> bye skeld
05/08/2008 20:44:05 <Fray> Russ I dig your map!
05/08/2008 20:44:20 <Mothman> James, that rocks
05/08/2008 20:44:35 <heathansson> My character's gonna SAY he fought the sandpoint devil, to impress chicks.
05/08/2008 20:44:42 <Fray> Can we talk CotCT spoilers? Sepcifically end game stuff?
05/08/2008 20:44:45 <James Jacobs> Ross> I agree. It's best if its something that strikes key and truly evil elves who expose themselves to the right (wrong) type of catalyst. It's certainly not something that has a predictable cause, though.
05/08/2008 20:44:46 <greengrunt>
05/08/2008 20:44:53 <Adam> Nice, Heathy!
05/08/2008 20:45:07 * Skeld quit
05/08/2008 20:45:11 <Fray> heathansson
05/08/2008 20:45:12 <Pygon> "I killed two Sandpoint Devils."
05/08/2008 20:45:14 <James Jacobs> Fray> I'm cool with talking CotCT endgame spoilers if the rest of us here are cool with it.
05/08/2008 20:45:23 * Timitius joins Main
05/08/2008 20:45:29 * Pygon shields his eyes
05/08/2008 20:45:30 <heathansson> Heh heh...
05/08/2008 20:45:33 <greengrunt> Hey Tim
05/08/2008 20:45:34 <Fray> Anyone? ....
05/08/2008 20:45:36 <yoda8myhead> heathansson, you have to resort to your PCs making up stories to impress chicks?
05/08/2008 20:45:40 <heathansson> two sandpoint devils...
05/08/2008 20:45:43 <David> hi Tim
05/08/2008 20:45:48 * Absinth is cool with spoilers
05/08/2008 20:45:50 <greengrunt> Oh hell.. Spoil away...
05/08/2008 20:45:51 <Adam> Better yet, "I tamed the Sandpoint Devil. He lives in my barn. Wanna come take a look?"
05/08/2008 20:45:54 <Fray> Timi!
05/08/2008 20:45:58 <Mothman> Lets trap the sandpoint devil and then Dravite can tame it as a mount
05/08/2008 20:45:58 <David> yoda8myhead,
05/08/2008 20:46:01 <heathansson> y8mh: I'm playing him as a total derpwood.
05/08/2008 20:46:03 <Timitius> Endgame spoilers???? LALALALALALALALA I can't hear you!!!!
05/08/2008 20:46:03 * Russ is confused by Fray digging hsi map
05/08/2008 20:46:05 <Adam> Tim!!!
05/08/2008 20:46:09 <Lilith> TIMMEH! My fellow dictator!
05/08/2008 20:46:09 <David> Adam,
05/08/2008 20:46:12 <Absinth> Hey Tim
05/08/2008 20:46:14 <Mothman> "Hey baby, wanna see my Sandpoint Devil?"
05/08/2008 20:46:21 * Pygon joins Tim at the non-spoiler table
05/08/2008 20:46:27 <Adam>
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05/08/2008 20:46:30 <Timitius> Hellooooo ALL!
05/08/2008 20:46:31 * Lilith likes Spoilarz!
05/08/2008 20:46:32 <heathansson> No endgame; it's not in the module.
05/08/2008 20:46:40 <Fray> Russ sorry... I thought it was yours... I"m getting my peeps confoozed
05/08/2008 20:46:52 <Mothman> I don't mind CotCT spoilers, if others dont
05/08/2008 20:47:05 <Pygon> I don't object
05/08/2008 20:47:05 <greengrunt> Tim-tim-tim-tim- tim-tim-timmy! Timmeh! Timmeh! Timmeh!
05/08/2008 20:47:13 <Adam> I think the issue is that some folks are playing it, or hope to be playing it.
05/08/2008 20:47:18 <James Jacobs> Ok... sounds like there's some who don't want spoilers... so the best place for that kinda crazy talk is probably the paizo.com messageboards.
05/08/2008 20:47:22 <Fray> I'm going to let Mothy speak for y'all unless someone speaks up...
05/08/2008 20:47:28 <heathansson> The end of Burnt Offerings has this fine demon woman that looks like Marilyn Monroe, then two tentacles come out of her nose and suck out your spinal fluid.
05/08/2008 20:47:32 <Timitius> Actually, I've got little to no chance to ever play CotCT, so go ahead....or not.
05/08/2008 20:47:40 <greengrunt> LOL
05/08/2008 20:47:45 <heathansson> Sorry, man.
05/08/2008 20:47:51 <Mothman> Thanks Fray! I speak for the group?
05/08/2008 20:47:51 <Lilith> Timitius, awww...why not? Not enough hours in the day?
05/08/2008 20:48:03 <Timitius> HEATHY!! DAMNIT!
05/08/2008 20:48:05 <Fray> James Jacobs> If I ask about the sword would that be general enough?
05/08/2008 20:48:07 <James Jacobs> But there's always SOME sort of spoilers going on in here. They fly fast and furious at times.
05/08/2008 20:48:20 <James Jacobs> We've already had a HUGE Second Darkness spoiler shamble through here ,for example.
05/08/2008 20:48:22 <heathansson> I was just making that stuff up. I'm kidding.
05/08/2008 20:48:23 <Mothman> Heath: I think that might have been ... unique to our game
05/08/2008 20:48:25 <James Jacobs> Fray> Sure!
05/08/2008 20:48:28 <Adam> It was the pigeon!
05/08/2008 20:48:28 <Russ> I never would have guessed that Queen Ileosa was actually a dude
05/08/2008 20:48:31 <Lilith> James Jacobs,
05/08/2008 20:48:38 <Russ> Aw, I missed the huge spoiler
05/08/2008 20:48:59 <Mothman> James: That elves can become drow type spoiler?
05/08/2008 20:48:59 <David> James Jacobs, are there any thoughts about increasing the price of the subs or is the increase in subscribers keeping the current price good?
20:49:17 <Fray> James Jacobs> Whatif the players don't have the sword? Would the other sword (Harrow Deck oMT) still work?
05/08/2008 20:49:20 <greengrunt> I heard there's going to be a spacecraft beneath Castle Korvosa... With a ray gun that melts undergarments
05/08/2008 20:49:34 <Timitius> Lilith, actually because I really don't have a Pathfinder group, per se, that uses the APs.
05/08/2008 20:49:37 <heathansson> Any lasersharks heads?
05/08/2008 20:49:46 <David> greengrunt, did Uzzy tell you that?
05/08/2008 20:49:57 <Absinth> What other sword?!
05/08/2008 20:50:01 <Fray> And I LOVE the Harrow DoMThings... though I'm not too hip on the player getting taken out of the game if they draw badly...
05/08/2008 20:50:05 <greengrunt> Er.. Can't remember where i heard it from
05/08/2008 20:50:16 <Lilith> Timitius, Ohhhh...
05/08/2008 20:50:31 <Russ> Regarding Planet Stories - I *was* completely caught up Planet STories, until a new copy arrived today. I actually was caught up with all my Paizo stuff except for LB1.
05/08/2008 20:50:37 * Lilith steps into her magical confabulator and runs a CotCT game for Timitius.
05/08/2008 20:50:45 <Russ> And then the HUGE HURKING BOXED dumped me back a month's worth of reading
05/08/2008 20:50:46 * Russ grumbles
05/08/2008 20:50:56 <Uzzy> Did I tell greengrunt what?
05/08/2008 20:51:02 <James Jacobs> Mothman> Yup
05/08/2008 20:51:02 <greengrunt> @ Russ
05/08/2008 20:51:06 <Plagued CD> Timitius, that doesn't mean you couldn't get in a PbP
05/08/2008 20:51:12 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, in the Hardcover for the CS, the Harrower Prestige class mentions the Harrow Spell from the Harrow Deck...I have the deck, so I have access tot he spell, but I dind't see the spell actually in the Hardcover. Did I miss it?
05/08/2008 20:51:13 <Uzzy> Why is my name being mentioned?! Why is it dark outside?
05/08/2008 20:51:19 <Fray> Timitius> It's a fun adventure for sure... I'll run you through CotCT when I can...
05/08/2008 20:51:31 <spamhammer> might play cotct, so I guess I'll wait and read the trnascripts.
05/08/2008 20:51:37 <greengrunt> The spacecraft beneath Castle Korvosa.. with a ray gun that melts ... well.. you know.. stuff??
05/08/2008 20:51:42 <spamhammer> 'night all
05/08/2008 20:51:43 <James Jacobs> David> I believe that the subs are staying at the price they're at... that may change though. Pathfinder AP subs aren't changing though.
05/08/2008 20:51:43 <Russ> The 2nd darkness PDFs are much smaller than #12, interesting
05/08/2008 20:51:46 <Mothman> James: I think it sort of passed people by ... I was thinking "whoa!", but no one seemed to react much...
05/08/2008 20:51:47 <Russ> LEss art?
05/08/2008 20:51:49 <Fray> nite!
05/08/2008 20:51:52 <Lilith> later spamhammer
05/08/2008 20:51:54 <greengrunt> Night Hammerspam
05/08/2008 20:52:06 <Adam> Goodnight
05/08/2008 20:52:09 <Uzzy> Oh yes. The Tripod thing.
05/08/2008 20:52:16 <Uzzy> An interesting choice, to be sure.
05/08/2008 20:52:30 <Fray> James Jacobs> about the swords...?
05/08/2008 20:52:32 <James Jacobs> Fray> Yeah; all of those deck of many things type stuff CAN ruin a campaign. That's why we allow for a little bit of Player Control over the exact effects of the cards in the encounter that the deck appears in.
05/08/2008 20:52:36 <Adam> James, are you not going to be here next week?
05/08/2008 20:52:37 <Plagued CD> bye
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05/08/2008 20:52:46 <Timitius> Why....thanks all! I am totally an online, MapTools, kind of gamer. So, I'll take that under consideration!
05/08/2008 20:52:46 <Russ> At least for me, elves being able to become drow seemed like one of those things that falls into "Well, that's reasonable"
05/08/2008 20:52:59 <greengrunt> Is Gen Con next week?? Wha?? Already?
05/08/2008 20:53:06 <James Jacobs> Fray> If the players don't have the sword... that's something the GM needs to resolve. The harrow sword could certainly do a stand-in for it, i guess.
05/08/2008 20:53:09 <Russ> sort of like a reverse Elistriae thing
05/08/2008 20:53:11 <KnightErrantJR> Indeed it is
05/08/2008 20:53:27 <Fray> James Jacobs> So the sword form the deck would be able to take the place of the other sword to take out Kavazon...?
05/08/2008 20:53:41 <Fray> hehe ok... thanks
05/08/2008 20:53:41 <greengrunt> I can't wait for that to be over.. SO everbody can start acting normal again
05/08/2008 20:53:52 <KnightErrantJR> Normal?
05/08/2008 20:53:54 <Mothman> Russ: yeah, it makes sense, but I dont think we've seen anything like that before (except maybe Elistriae / FR, I don't really follow it)
05/08/2008 20:53:54 <Fray> greengrunt,
05/08/2008 20:53:57 <Adam> greengrunt
05/08/2008 20:54:03 <greengrunt> er.. everybody.. Dammit!
05/08/2008 20:54:05 <yoda8myhead> Mothman, sorry if I ruined that SD thing for you
05/08/2008 20:54:10 <Lilith> greengrunt, one week and one day!
05/08/2008 20:54:11 <James Jacobs> Ross> Nope; the spell wasn't put into the Hardcover. The Harrower prestige class works perfectly fine without the harrow spell and it doesn't need it. Throwing that bit in was more of an easter egg than anything.
05/08/2008 20:54:21 <Fray> I wish I could make it to Gen Con...
05/08/2008 20:54:29 <James Jacobs> The harrow spell is not anything fancy enough to be missed, is what I'm saying.
05/08/2008 20:54:33 <Adam> I wish you could too, Fray
05/08/2008 20:54:35 <Mothman> yoda: Nope, its cool, Im subscribed, and probably going to read the AP when I get it - no harm done
05/08/2008 20:54:50 <greengrunt> Lilith I wish you and the rest all of the best in yon DMing
05/08/2008 20:55:10 <Russ> There was some de-drowing ritual associated with Mrs. e, though I think they kept the dark skin after it
05/08/2008 20:55:11 <James Jacobs> Adam> This time next week I'll be fretting and worrying about how I'm gonna be able to get to the airport for my 5:15 AM flight. I suppose I'll be at the chat, though.
05/08/2008 20:55:12 <Fray> I'm trying to see about GenCOn next year... but I'm not sure what the missus and little one will be able to do while there...
05/08/2008 20:55:17 <Russ> Back in Drow of the Underdark, as I recall
05/08/2008 20:55:24 <James Jacobs> Since I highly doubt I'll be getting any sleep at all that night.
05/08/2008 20:55:41 <greengrunt> JJ> Wha!? Flying!? Where??
05/08/2008 20:55:47 <KnightErrantJR> You know, I hate to cut out, but I think I'm going to start tearing into this, since I can't think of any coherant questions.
05/08/2008 20:55:49 <Adam> James, 5:15, ouch! Mine's not til noonish, but I guess I'm a bit closer.
05/08/2008 20:55:51 <yoda8myhead> greengrunt, gencon
05/08/2008 20:56:01 <Fray> James Jacobs JOLT cola will work wonders!
05/08/2008 20:56:03 <greengrunt> Ahhhh
05/08/2008 20:56:15 <Mothman> There's a 5.15 in the AM?
05/08/2008 20:56:17 * seekerofshadowlight joins Main
05/08/2008 20:56:20 <greengrunt> I keep forgetting the Con is in Indianapolis
05/08/2008 20:56:20 <KnightErrantJR> Irish Blend Java Monster
05/08/2008 20:56:27 <Absinth> lol @ mothman
05/08/2008 20:56:28 <Lilith> James Jacobs, bleh. My flight is at 5:15am as well.
05/08/2008 20:56:31 <greengrunt> Hey Seeker
05/08/2008 20:56:35 <Adam> Mothy, I normally see 5:15 am fromt he other side of the coin.
05/08/2008 20:56:35 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> To Gen Con.
05/08/2008 20:56:37 <yoda8myhead> ok all, I'm getting ready to jet to my, uh, jet. See everyone tomorrow when I resume chatting during the workday
05/08/2008 20:56:39 <Ross @ Work> Yikes. I have a 7:30 flight on sunday (so I have to leave the house at 5:00), but 5:15, damn, that's like 'don't bother going to sleep' early.
05/08/2008 20:56:42 <Lilith> Adam: Me toO!
05/08/2008 20:56:53 <Adam> Fly safe yoda!
05/08/2008 20:56:54 <yoda8myhead> any hints of things to come before I go, James Jacobs ?
05/08/2008 20:56:58 <seekerofshadowlight> HEY GG
05/08/2008 20:57:03 <Pete> Tim: You let me know which night of the week is free, we'll start PF!
05/08/2008 20:57:06 <KnightErrantJR> Heh, I've only got a three hour drive get there.
05/08/2008 20:57:10 <Russ> GenCon is unfortunately impossible for me due to the date it shifted to.
05/08/2008 20:57:14 <James Jacobs> The plane ride to and from Gen Con is actually my 2nd most hated part of Gen Con. The 1st most hated being Indianapolis, alas...
05/08/2008 20:57:16 <greengrunt> JJ> Stopping for a cup of Joe 'afore the flight??
05/08/2008 20:57:28 * Lilith tries to ponder questions for James Jacobs, but lacks the latest supplements...
05/08/2008 20:57:29 <Mothman> Bye Yoda
05/08/2008 20:57:31 <greengrunt>
05/08/2008 20:57:33 <Timitius> Pete! Or should I say Paw Paw Pete, yet?
05/08/2008 20:57:35 <Fray> go COLTS!!!
05/08/2008 20:57:36 <Adam> Indy does quite suck.
05/08/2008 20:57:37 <greengrunt> Bye Yoda
05/08/2008 20:57:40 <Lilith> greengrunt: They've got a Starbucks at the SeaTac airport.
05/08/2008 20:57:47 <Pete> Hey! Indianapolis is my home town!
05/08/2008 20:57:48 <Russ> James - I dunno, can it be worse than Milwuakee in August? Gah.
05/08/2008 20:57:52 <Mothman> Daigle: yeah, that is true - its not so bad from that direction
20:57:54 <Adam> What's with that pee smell everywhere?
05/08/2008 20:57:59 <seekerofshadowlight> ugh starbucks
05/08/2008 20:58:02 <Fray> i've heard that Indy isn't that great a place for the con....
05/08/2008 20:58:05 <greengrunt> Lilith! Yay! Score!
05/08/2008 20:58:21 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> Coffee is a regular part of everything I do, in fact. Waking up early = LOTS of it.
05/08/2008 20:58:21 <Pete> And I have to agree 100%. Glad I moved away!
05/08/2008 20:58:27 <Lilith> seekerofshadowlight, it's caffeine, and that is sometimes more important.
05/08/2008 20:58:27 <James Jacobs> Or staying up late, which is more likely.
05/08/2008 20:58:38 <greengrunt> JJ> Where would you rather they hold the Con??
05/08/2008 20:58:40 <Russ> Fray - Milwaukee had gotten hopeless, tho.
05/08/2008 20:58:41 <James Jacobs> AND: Alas, Yoda, Nothing comes to mind.
05/08/2008 20:58:42 <Rambling Scribe> I think they should move Gen Con to Ottawa, Canada.
05/08/2008 20:58:48 <Fray> JOLT has caffeine too....
05/08/2008 20:58:50 <seekerofshadowlight> lol i dont drink much caffeine
05/08/2008 20:58:51 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> Anywhere on the West Coast.
05/08/2008 20:58:51 <Adam> seeker, do they even have a Starbucks near you?
05/08/2008 20:58:53 * Lilith has a 30 minute drive to get to the airport first.
05/08/2008 20:58:58 <yoda8myhead> ok, good night everyone. I may be back later if the airport has free wifi
05/08/2008 20:59:02 <seekerofshadowlight> redbull is like speed to me lol
05/08/2008 20:59:04 <Pete> Tim: No Paw Paw Yet! He's anxious though, been rumbling my daughter's tummy all week. He's lazy like his Paw Paw.
05/08/2008 20:59:05 * yoda8myhead quit
05/08/2008 20:59:05 <Fray> Russ> I know... but I miss the Safe House so...
05/08/2008 20:59:06 <greengrunt> @RS
05/08/2008 20:59:09 <Pygon> see ya yoda, have a safe flight
05/08/2008 20:59:15 <James Jacobs> I've never been to a Milwaukee Gen Con (AKA: I've never been to Milwaukee).
05/08/2008 20:59:23 <Adam> Fray, they kept that allive last year.
05/08/2008 20:59:28 <seekerofshadowlight> just opened one in londone 24 miles from me yeah
05/08/2008 20:59:35 <Russ> Well, it was often 100 degrees AND humid
05/08/2008 20:59:43 <James Jacobs> Gross.
05/08/2008 20:59:47 <Rambling Scribe> I've been to more Gen Cons in Milaulkee than in Indy.
05/08/2008 20:59:50 <Absinth> I'm just reading up stuff on pirates as inspiration for my next campaign. Does any of you know cool fiction or non-fiction pirate books? And is there anything piracy-related planned for Golarion?
05/08/2008 20:59:55 <Fray> Adam> hunh?... !!!
05/08/2008 20:59:59 <Russ> And the hotel tax was something insane like 30%
05/08/2008 21:00:05 <Russ> (no idea how bad Indy is for that)
05/08/2008 21:00:07 <KnightErrantJR> Night all
05/08/2008 21:00:08 <Lilith> Absinth, yeah a couple...lemme dig up some links.
05/08/2008 21:00:09 <Rathendar> riddleport is a pirate haven absinth
05/08/2008 21:00:11 <Rambling Scribe> My speeling is oful
05/08/2008 21:00:14 <greengrunt> Night Knight
05/08/2008 21:00:23 <Blazej> Eureka!
05/08/2008 21:00:23 <Adam> Fray, at least that's what they were calling it and you needed a password to get in
05/08/2008 21:00:28 <seekerofshadowlight> night kinght
05/08/2008 21:00:35 <Fray> cool
05/08/2008 21:00:42 <Timitius> Pete, he'll probably come this Saturday so you won't be able to come to our BBQ.
05/08/2008 21:00:45 <Pete> Whoever thought a conference in August in Indiana was a good idea should be fired. I don't go near my folks place that time of year.
05/08/2008 21:00:48 <Ross @ Work> GenCon should be in Orlando. Weather's nice, big convention centers, and I can drive there in less than half an hour.
05/08/2008 21:00:48 <Fray> but it still aint the same...
05/08/2008 21:00:51 <James Jacobs> Pirates! There are a fair amount of piratey things in Second Darkness, actually. AND in the hardcover.
05/08/2008 21:01:02 <Adam> Fray, that's what i was hearing.
05/08/2008 21:01:02 <Fray> Gen COn should be in Vegas!
05/08/2008 21:01:03 <James Jacobs> The set-piece adventure in Pathfinder #14 is a Pirate Ship.
05/08/2008 21:01:06 <seekerofshadowlight> there is a fun 3pp book called pirates
05/08/2008 21:01:12 <Rathendar> the goddess of pirates is in the campaign set
05/08/2008 21:01:14 <Fray> There are Pirates in Vegas too
21:01:16 <Lilith> Absinth: http://www.amazon.com/Under-Bl...&sr=8-1
05/08/2008 21:01:25 <Adam>
05/08/2008 21:01:33 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
05/08/2008 21:01:37 <seekerofshadowlight> by living imaganiton that isnt bad
05/08/2008 21:01:47 <James Jacobs> Vegas is too distracting. But it IS closer to the West Coast, so that's good.
05/08/2008 21:01:50 <Samwise> florida?
05/08/2008 21:01:50 <Ross @ Work> Course, if I get my way, I'll live in Seattle eventually, so then I'd be petitioning to move GenCon there.
05/08/2008 21:01:53 <Samwise> in the summer?
05/08/2008 21:01:55 <greengrunt> JJ> Any more crazy adventure ideas for later APs that you can splurge upon us? ... Like.. Oh .. say .. something to do with the Tarrasque?? Or one of Golarion's moons? Or... crap! I need help peeps!
05/08/2008 21:01:58 <Fray> MMMMMM.... Vegas Lapdances Pirates
05/08/2008 21:02:07 <Adam> Austin Texas needs a good con.
05/08/2008 21:02:09 <Pete> GenCon In Seattle! Woot!
05/08/2008 21:02:17 <Ross @ Work> Samwise, yeah.
05/08/2008 21:02:18 <James Jacobs> Yup: The pirate goddess in Golarion is Besmara. She sails around the Maelstrom and raids the outer planes.
05/08/2008 21:02:22 <Pygon> gg - War AP!
05/08/2008 21:02:28 <Lilith> Pete, THAT would be awesome.
05/08/2008 21:02:32 <greengrunt> COOLNESS!
05/08/2008 21:02:38 <Absinth> Thanks for the link, Lilith. Did you read it yourself?
05/08/2008 21:02:47 <Mothman> James, what do you think should be covered / included in the first and second PFRPG Monster Books?
05/08/2008 21:02:51 <Lilith> James Jacobs, Nice! Does she have a signature flag, kinda like the Joule Rouge?
05/08/2008 21:02:53 <Timitius> James Jacobs, did you say that "The Mound" was an inspiration for the 3rd Pathfinder AP?
05/08/2008 21:02:56 <Samwise> Ross>ick, that would be even worse heat and humidity
05/08/2008 21:02:56 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> No tarrasque showing up in Second Darkness. There's SOME moon stuff in there though, in #14.
05/08/2008 21:02:59 <Lilith> Absinth, I have. It's very good.
05/08/2008 21:03:10 <James Jacobs> In that one of the new monsters in #14 is the DREADED MOONFLOWER!
05/08/2008 21:03:23 <Ross @ Work> Samwise, I live here, so it must be habitable.
05/08/2008 21:03:23 <greengrunt> Eh.. Moonflower??
05/08/2008 21:03:24 <Fray>
05/08/2008 21:03:28 <Russ> PAX is bigger than GenCon - don't think you'll have much luck trying to compete with PAX in August if GenCon moved to Seattle
05/08/2008 21:03:28 <Fray> Moonflower
05/08/2008 21:03:35 <Fray> It better be a Fey
05/08/2008 21:03:37 <Fray>
05/08/2008 21:03:42 <Mothman> Isn't Moonflower a name hippies call their kid?
05/08/2008 21:03:48 <James Jacobs> Lilith> Yup; but her signature flag is just the black jolly roger. In Golarion... that's where the idea came from for pirates to fly the skull & crossbones. From Besmara.
05/08/2008 21:03:57 <Ross @ Work> Russ, I dunno. Make it the week after/before and lots of gamers would try for a twofer
05/08/2008 21:03:59 <Timitius> No. Wasn't Moonflower in Elfquest?
05/08/2008 21:04:03 <Rathendar> are they sentient? is one of them calling itself Lilac Daffadilla?
05/08/2008 21:04:09 <Pygon> Moonflower is the spawn of Hippies, also in PF 14.
05/08/2008 21:04:10 <Lilith> James Jacobs, neat.
05/08/2008 21:04:10 <James Jacobs> Tim> "The Mound" was one of the inspirations for how Golarion's Darklands work. And sort of for Second Darkness as a result.
05/08/2008 21:04:11 <Fray> I dated a Moonflower once
05/08/2008 21:04:17 <Samwise> Ross>i barely survive the heat and humidity in nyc these days, florida in the summer? _|__|___
05/08/2008 21:04:18 <Russ> Bah. Pirates in Golarion should fly all sorts of flags, just like in our world.
05/08/2008 21:04:18 <Justin Sluder> I used to work with a girl named Sunshine Rainbow
05/08/2008 21:04:21 <Lilith> We have pirates, what about ninjas?
05/08/2008 21:04:25 <Pete> Who all is going to PAX?
05/08/2008 21:04:27 <cappadocius> Can I play a K'n-Yanni?
05/08/2008 21:04:29 <James Jacobs> Moonflower! it's kinda inspired by the Triffids.
05/08/2008 21:04:30 <greengrunt> Really?? I dated somebody called Moonbeam
05/08/2008 21:04:33 <cappadocius> in Second Darkness.
05/08/2008 21:04:37 <Russ> I'm skipping PAX this year too, too damned spendy.
05/08/2008 21:04:48 <James Jacobs> It's a big man-eating flower.
05/08/2008 21:04:49 <Mothman> Fray: sounds hot
05/08/2008 21:04:51 <Adam> I mooned someone called beamflower
05/08/2008 21:04:51 <Ross @ Work> Samwise, NYC is hell in summer. It's really not any worse here.
05/08/2008 21:04:52 <James Jacobs> I mean man-eating plant.
05/08/2008 21:04:59 <Russ> And almost all 4th edition stuff. Decided to cover work schedule stuff instead.
05/08/2008 21:05:02 * seekerofshadowlight quit
05/08/2008 21:05:04 <Fray>
05/08/2008 21:05:08 <Timitius> James Jacobs, I just finished that story.....whoa. Are you doing three levels? And are we riding F'ed up steeds???
05/08/2008 21:05:12 <greengrunt> Day of the Triffids..JJ or Uzzy> Didn't England have a recent miniseries of Day of the Triffids??
05/08/2008 21:05:20 <Russ> Anyhow, Dragonflight is also Seattle in August, though of course not as big.
05/08/2008 21:05:27 <Mothman> Triffids!
05/08/2008 21:05:33 <James Jacobs> Russ> They do. There's a lot of pirate flag examples already (Shackles, Sodden Lands, Riddleport); the skull and crossbones is Besmara's though.
05/08/2008 21:05:33 <greengrunt> @ Adam
05/08/2008 21:05:43 <Uzzy> Possibly, Greengrunt
05/08/2008 21:05:48 <Hill Giant> Wahoo - Triffids!
05/08/2008 21:06:10 <Samwise> Ross>its been . . . manageable this year, about 1/3 suffocation, 1/3 hot but manageable, 1/3 warm and comfortable
21:06:21 <Russ> I'm personally partial to the skull and cutlasses
05/08/2008 21:06:28 <James Jacobs> Yup; there are three different levels to the darklands. Nar-Voth is the upper one where the orcs and dwarves used to live, and now is home to duergar and derro and vegepygmies and troglodytes.
05/08/2008 21:06:29 <Justin Sluder> damn, I gotta run out for a bit
05/08/2008 21:06:35 <Fray> James Jacobs> What do you suggest for a party (CotCT) that has no cleric, that I could do to help out the PC's some...? (Especially in 7 Days...)
05/08/2008 21:06:36 <Justin Sluder> have fun
05/08/2008 21:06:47 <greengrunt> Later Justin
05/08/2008 21:06:48 <James Jacobs> Sekamina is the middle realm; that's where drow and ghouls and svirfneblin and gugs and serpentfolk and skum live.
05/08/2008 21:06:55 <Russ> though Jack Rackham was a loser
05/08/2008 21:06:56 <Rambling Scribe> I remember when that terrible movie Cutthroat Island was announced.
05/08/2008 21:07:00 <Hill Giant> Is Besmara also the goddess of poisonous household cleaners?
05/08/2008 21:07:01 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin's out and about
05/08/2008 21:07:02 <Lilith> James Jacobs, GUGS! Gugs are awesome.
05/08/2008 21:07:07 <Timitius> Yes....but are they color-coded too?
05/08/2008 21:07:08 <Rambling Scribe> They had a poster that just had the skull and cutlasses.
05/08/2008 21:07:11 <James Jacobs> The bottom realm is called Orv. That's where the neothelids and intellect devourers and urdefans and CRAZY STUFF lives.
05/08/2008 21:07:11 <Adam> Nice on the second level!
05/08/2008 21:07:25 <Rambling Scribe> And I thought "Cool. A movie about Calico Jack!"
05/08/2008 21:07:28 <Samwise> Ross>my problems started after Gen Con 2001, heat wave there moved to NYC by the time the con was over, 14 days of 98+ base temp = heat exhaustion for me
05/08/2008 21:07:31 <Plagued CD> Fray, lots of cure wands and potions
05/08/2008 21:07:32 <Russ> Scribe - all the bus shetlers in San Francisco were pushing it, and I was like "what the hell IS this movie, I've never heard of it". Never did see it.
05/08/2008 21:07:39 <greengrunt> JJ> Extrapolate on CRAZY STUFF pppuuuulease!!
05/08/2008 21:07:55 <Pygon> Scribe - pirate movies are only good with undead, apparently
05/08/2008 21:07:52 <James Jacobs> Fray> A party that doesn't have a cleric in CotCT should have either: A bard, a paladin, a druid, or a ranger.
05/08/2008 21:07:57 <James Jacobs> Bard is the best choice.
05/08/2008 21:08:03 <Rambling Scribe> Russ: All the ships, carriages and buildings in the movie were made of pure cordite.
05/08/2008 21:08:04 <Russ> GenCon 2001, the last time I saw Gary
05/08/2008 21:08:06 <Pete> GenCon in Orv! Woot!
05/08/2008 21:08:10 <Fray> Plagued CD> no one can cast cure spells except the Paladin...
05/08/2008 21:08:16 <James Jacobs> Tim> They're not really color coded.
05/08/2008 21:08:16 <Timitius> greengrunt, read "The Mound" then....crazy stuff = Lovecraftian, I'm sure.....
05/08/2008 21:08:23 <Hill Giant> You can use neothelids, but not illithids? crazy
05/08/2008 21:08:30 <Rambling Scribe> Often you could see the actors trying not to laugh at their own cheesy lines.
05/08/2008 21:08:33 <Samwise> Russ>i saw him last year, when he did the paizo booth
05/08/2008 21:08:36 * Samwise sighs
05/08/2008 21:09:02 <Samwise> and of course our legendary photo with him, the Gamer Singularity
05/08/2008 21:09:06 <greengrunt> RS> what is cordite??
05/08/2008 21:09:06 * Eyebite joins Main
05/08/2008 21:09:07 <Adam> That was the first and last for me.
05/08/2008 21:09:09 <James Jacobs> greengrunt> CRAZY STUFF = things like hollow world type areas, lost worlds and the like. Really weird pulpy and scary stuff. Orv's made up not of lots of caves, but of lots of HUGE vaults connected by a very few long tunnels.
05/08/2008 21:09:14 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, how goes the search for Deputy Postmonster?
05/08/2008 21:09:16 <Adam> Howdy Eyebite!
05/08/2008 21:09:21 * Lilith raises a glass for the dearly departed EGG.
05/08/2008 21:09:21 <Fray> James Jacobs> Cool, I gots a druid and a Paladin of Iomede.... I'm worried about the party getting Blood Veil... and not ebing able to handle it...
05/08/2008 21:09:25 <Russ> Scribes - what do you mean by pure cordite?
05/08/2008 21:09:26 <Eyebite> Hey Adam
05/08/2008 21:09:27 <Rambling Scribe> Since that movie, everyone's been using the skull and cutlasses though, and I've still never seen amovie about Calico Jack.
05/08/2008 21:09:39 <Ross @ Work> Russ, I think he means they blew up real good.
05/08/2008 21:09:43 <greengrunt> JJ> Are you going to do a monster/sourcebook just for Orv??
05/08/2008 21:09:43 <Rambling Scribe> GreenGrunt: Cordite is an explosive.
05/08/2008 21:09:45 <Pygon> hi Eyebite
05/08/2008 21:09:48 <Russ> That I knew
05/08/2008 21:09:51 <Eyebite> Hey Pygon
05/08/2008 21:09:58 <Russ> Just don't know why you would make props of it
05/08/2008 21:10:00 <greengrunt> Hi Eye
05/08/2008 21:10:03 <James Jacobs> Hill Giant> Yeah; the neothelids are in the SRD, courtesy of the Psionics Handbook. it is indeed a little weird. We're recasting them as scary giant worm monsters similar to how the cthonians work in Call of Cthulhu.
05/08/2008 21:10:04 <Timitius> James Jacobs, Awwww. Blue! Red! Black! Actually, I enjoyed "The Mound" quite a bit. Laughed at the bit about his "Virginian blood" of adventure!
05/08/2008 21:10:08 <Mothman> James, what do you think should be covered / included in the first and second PFRPG Monster Books? (in general terms)
05/08/2008 21:10:13 <Eyebite> There is both an Adam and a Daigle in here....coincidence? I think not
05/08/2008 21:10:16 <Eyebite> Hey grunt
05/08/2008 21:10:25 <James Jacobs> Ross> As far as I know... no movement on Deputy Postmonster.
05/08/2008 21:10:27 <Russ> And as far as pirate stuff goes, I cannot recommend On Stranger Tides, by Time Powers, highly enough
05/08/2008 21:10:33 <Rambling Scribe> Yeah, everything in thyat movie blew up like a ford pinto.
05/08/2008 21:10:41 <Russ> There's a good chance Pirates of the Car. ripped it off, actually
05/08/2008 21:10:45 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, then my resume hasn't been discarded yet. Good.
05/08/2008 21:11:02 <Rambling Scribe> Russ: On Stranger Tides is one of my all time favourite books.
21:11:18 <James Jacobs> Fray> Them getting blood veil is actually pretty cool. Adds a really exciting timer to the adventure. If they DO get it, of coruse... they ARE in a city where potions of remove disease can be purchased. Or perhaps supplied to them by their contacts among the Korvosan Guard.
05/08/2008 21:11:28 <Russ> TIM powers, not Time
05/08/2008 21:11:29 <Adam> How's it going tonight, Eyebite?
05/08/2008 21:11:32 <Eyebite> What amazing Paizo secrets did I miss?
05/08/2008 21:11:34 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> An Orv sourcebook for mosnters would rock!
05/08/2008 21:11:37 <Absinth> Is Besmara sailing the maelstorm in person?
05/08/2008 21:11:38 <Rambling Scribe> And I've heard that the producers of Pirates of the Carib have admitted that it was their real inspiration.
05/08/2008 21:11:46 <James Jacobs> We'll have 5 new monsters in Into the Darklands in any case.
05/08/2008 21:11:48 <Eyebite> Meh....just got back from a BBQ....other than that, pretty slow
05/08/2008 21:11:48 <Russ> Hmmm....James, they could normally be bought yes, but wouldn't the supply be depleted and the price out of sight?
05/08/2008 21:11:59 <Fray> James Jacobs> OOO! Hadn't even though of that! Cool!
05/08/2008 21:12:02 <greengrunt> JJ> Aye.. so does that mean you'll throw one out there?
05/08/2008 21:12:23 * Fray is trying hard to change things up a bit in a written adventure
05/08/2008 21:12:25 <James Jacobs> Mothman> I think that the PF RPG monster book should have all of the SRD monsters and most of the monsters from Tome of Horrors I. But that'd be a ginormous book. So... Hmmm/
05/08/2008 21:12:43 * Mad Geologist joins Main
05/08/2008 21:13:05 <James Jacobs> Absinth> She is. She sails the Maelstrom on her ship, the Sea Wraith.
05/08/2008 21:13:06 <Pygon> hi Charles
05/08/2008 21:13:11 * Mad Geologist drops in to check out the lag time this week....
05/08/2008 21:13:12 <greengrunt> Cut the ginormous book in twain.. reduce it to 2 enormous volumes.. Hi MG
05/08/2008 21:13:14 <Rambling Scribe> Wait no... Curse of Monkey Island is what I'm thinking of; it was actually inspired by On Stranger Tides.
05/08/2008 21:13:15 <James Jacobs> "The Maelstrom" being the Chaotic Neutral outer plane.
05/08/2008 21:13:19 <Russ> You'll just need to hire freelancers to help write it!
05/08/2008 21:13:33 <Mad Geologist> Ick. Laaaaaaaaaag.
05/08/2008 21:13:35 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> There's a HUGE plus for there being just one core monster book, of course...
05/08/2008 21:13:55 <Lilith> James Jacobs, oh?
05/08/2008 21:13:55 <Hill Giant> Rambling Scribe, You fight like a dairy farmer!
05/08/2008 21:14:13 <James Jacobs> Russ> Probably, which would add a fun side quest, tracking down someone who was selling potions at inflated prices.
05/08/2008 21:14:15 <Lilith> Hill Giant, I loved the combat in Curse of Monkey Island.
05/08/2008 21:14:31 <Lilith> James Jacobs, well there is the chick with the fake potions...
05/08/2008 21:14:39 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> Throw one what out where now?
05/08/2008 21:14:42 <James Jacobs> Lilith> Yup.
05/08/2008 21:14:53 <James Jacobs> But maybe there's a REAL potion con man?
05/08/2008 21:15:04 <Lilith> James Jacobs, that would work really well too.
05/08/2008 21:15:11 <Mad Geologist> .
05/08/2008 21:15:13 <greengrunt> JJ> An Orv Monstrous Compendium type thingie??
05/08/2008 21:15:13 <Mothman> James: I think I’d like to see a “Monsters of the SRD” book, closely followed by a “Monsters of Golarion” book and a “Monsters of the ToH” book (or Necromancer releases a “TOH: Pathfinder”)
05/08/2008 21:15:20 <Rambling Scribe> HG: I... I... don't know that rhyme. i don't think I ever had that one!
05/08/2008 21:15:25 <James Jacobs> Yeah; having one core monster book keeps things grounded and avoids Monster Bloat.
05/08/2008 21:15:27 <James Jacobs> I guess.
05/08/2008 21:15:54 <Samwise> i dislike monster bloat
05/08/2008 21:15:55 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> OH! Nah. More likely we'll just do generalized monster books now and then and throw in Orv denizens once in a while.
05/08/2008 21:16:10 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, since Pathfinder includes 5 or so new monsters each month, isn't a bit of Monster Bloat inevitable?
05/08/2008 21:16:14 <Mad Geologist> .
05/08/2008 21:16:16 <Timitius> Does TUMS take care of Monster Bloat?
05/08/2008 21:16:16 <Rambling Scribe> My brother and I always use "You look like a monkey in a negligee!"
05/08/2008 21:16:23 <Mothman> Is that a disease or a condition?
05/08/2008 21:16:27 <Samwise> still, i do wonder if at some time you are going to do a compilation of pathfinder monsters
05/08/2008 21:16:29 * Russ fishes, fishes...
05/08/2008 21:16:31 <Absinth> Rambling Scribe: Cutthroat Island was awful. But I can't remember any good pirate movies since the Errol Flynn stuff and The Black Corsair
05/08/2008 21:16:32 <Adam> Tim
05/08/2008 21:16:44 <Samwise> it does eventually get tedious trying to dig out which issue or which adventure contained a particular critter
05/08/2008 21:16:44 <James Jacobs> Mothman> Basically, I'd like to see a core PF RPG monster book that gathers together the best monsters from the 1st edition Monster Manual, Monster Manual 2, and Fiend Folio. And puts them all in one big book. Beyond that, new monster books can cover new ground.
05/08/2008 21:16:45 <Pete> Tim: Monsters should take Midol.
05/08/2008 21:16:52 <Lilith> Absinth, Against All Flags!
05/08/2008 21:17:05 <greengrunt> Monster Bloat I think is another awful drink involving Jaegermeister.. Yet again!
05/08/2008 21:17:06 <James Jacobs> Ross> Yup. I'm actually relatively certain Monster Bloat is a Good Thing.
05/08/2008 21:17:15 <Rambling Scribe> I wrote an adventure where a tribe of kobolds had developed "Scale Creep"
05/08/2008 21:17:19 * Timitius now tries to think of something clever to stand for TUMS.
05/08/2008 21:17:22 <Absinth> JJ, okay. I thought you meant the Eye. Does the Eye lead to the Maelstrom somehow?
05/08/2008 21:17:34 <Pygon> RS, ew.
05/08/2008 21:17:44 <Rambling Scribe> It was a disease that made them get all swollen up...
05/08/2008 21:17:45 <Lilith> Absinth, creepy idea...
05/08/2008 21:17:45 <Mad Geologist> Hmm. Oh, liked the Havero, by the way in PF #10.....
05/08/2008 21:17:52 <Timitius> Totally Upset Monster Stomach?
05/08/2008 21:17:59 <James Jacobs> Samwise> I doubt we'd just compile the Pathfinder monsters into a book, since that devaules the cool of the monsters being in Pathfinder. But we certainly might reprint some or all of the new monsters we do in year 1 and 2 in a sequel monster book for PF RPG in year 3, I suppose.
05/08/2008 21:18:02 <Pygon> hee
05/08/2008 21:18:05 <Adam> Tendriculous Under Mammy's Skirt
05/08/2008 21:18:06 <Mad Geologist> Totally useless media scrum?
05/08/2008 21:18:15 <James Jacobs> Reprints which would reprint the stats and a LITTLE bit of the flavor, but I'
05/08/2008 21:18:30 <Lilith> James Jacobs, "Pathfinder Bestiary: Year One" ?
05/08/2008 21:18:33 <Pete> "Have too many under-cooked pathfinders last night? Try some TUMS!"
05/08/2008 21:18:33 <Samwise> James>then how about a regularly updated index?
05/08/2008 21:18:34 <James Jacobs> I'm just nervous and wary about setting precedents of "I'll not buy Pathfinder, I'll wait for the reprint."
05/08/2008 21:18:42 <Timitius> Adam, I don't think that PREVENTS Monster Bloat....probably causes it though.
05/08/2008 21:18:54 <Adam> Tim...
05/08/2008 21:18:59 <Mad Geologist> James: Any word that I've missed on Clark & Tome of Horrors reprint?
05/08/2008 21:19:06 <James Jacobs> Absinth> Dunno; the Eye of Abendego MIGHT lead to the Maelstrom (aka Limbo), but it probably doesn't.
05/08/2008 21:19:40 <Mad Geologist> .
05/08/2008 21:19:42 <Timitius> The Ears of Meeshak might, though.......
05/08/2008 21:19:47 <James Jacobs> Samwise> That's actually a really REALLY good idea. A monster index that keeps all the Pathfinder and module new monsters updated. (writes that down on to-do list)
05/08/2008 21:19:50 <Ross @ Work> Rambling Scribe, was the pun in 'scale creep' intended?
05/08/2008 21:20:05 <Blazej> Maybe Bestiary monsters might reappear in future Monster Revisited style books.
05/08/2008 21:20:11 * Lilith has a monster list at DM Tools.
05/08/2008 21:20:17 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, doesn't the Wiki have such an index?
21:20:48 <James Jacobs> Mad Geo> Nope; we're not sure how that's all gonna work out yet. I'd like to consolodate the SRD monsters and a lot of the ToH monsters into a Pathfinder RPG Monster Manual style book, though.
05/08/2008 21:20:51 * Russ doesn't need another small red dragon, not quite red dragon, wingless red dragon....
05/08/2008 21:20:52 <Ross @ Work> I know I'm intending for Wayfinder to have one, but I'll be restricting it to things released under PFRPG rules.
05/08/2008 21:20:54 <greengrunt> Lilith how is DM Tools?
05/08/2008 21:20:57 <Samwise> James>heh, one of the few good things WotC did for 3.5, once they got up to speed with it, i would just like to see Paizo support some official version for Pathfinder long term, the same with any feats and such that appear in the player's guides and what not
05/08/2008 21:21:13 <James Jacobs> Ross> I suppose the Wiki would have such an index.
05/08/2008 21:21:17 <Rambling Scribe> Ross, yes the pun was intentional it was a comedy adventure that pastiched the Paranoia RPG with kobold characters.
05/08/2008 21:21:23 <James Jacobs> (CROSSES OFF ENTRY FROM LIST! DRINKS MORE MINT JULEP!)
05/08/2008 21:21:33 <greengrunt>
05/08/2008 21:21:39 <Lilith> greengrunt, um...Functioning? I'm looking at some changes to it here soon.
05/08/2008 21:22:07 <Mad Geologist> .
05/08/2008 21:22:29 <James Jacobs> Samwise> It's a good idea. Our website has a bit to go before we have something fancy like that going on though.
05/08/2008 21:22:34 <Russ> I've heard the Wiki frowns on indexes, and prefers things to be "in voice"
05/08/2008 21:22:36 <Timitius> ....
05/08/2008 21:22:53 <greengrunt> Lilith> Ohhh.. I thought there was also a DM Tools as in software to help you manage your campaigns better.. My bad
05/08/2008 21:23:11 <Lilith> greengrunt, the main portion of the site: http://www.dmtools.org
05/08/2008 21:23:33 <Samwise> James>well, it doesnt need all the search and sort functions, at least not until you get more than a (few?) hundred entries, just a simple indexed list to start would be good
05/08/2008 21:23:35 <Ross @ Work> Russ, James Jacobs, I think Russ might be right. I'd sworn the wiki had an index before, but now I can't find it.
05/08/2008 21:23:35 <greengrunt> I thought DMTools was just a chat engine
05/08/2008 21:23:46 <Pygon> it's Tech Support.
05/08/2008 21:23:55 <Pygon> helped me a lot.
05/08/2008 21:23:58 <Lilith> greengrunt, It's so much more!
05/08/2008 21:23:59 <Adam>
05/08/2008 21:24:01 <Samwise> James>it could also serve as a bit of an ad, "Look at all the cool monsters we have created so far!"
05/08/2008 21:24:18 <Mad Geologist> James Jacobs: is there any DM Resource planned by you or Yoda & the wiki...a collection of pictures of monsters (besides cut and paste options for those tech-savvy and with the PDFs)?
05/08/2008 21:24:20 <Adam> Group picture!
05/08/2008 21:24:45 * Pygon smiles
05/08/2008 21:24:45 <James Jacobs> (PUTS MONSTER INDEX BACK ON LIST)
05/08/2008 21:25:03 <Lilith> James Jacobs, art galleries? Pleeeeeeeease?
05/08/2008 21:26:06 <Mad Geologist> Sometimes it's useful being able to produce a picture of just what things (which the players and PCs have never seen before) to back up the description... especialy with some of the artwork.
05/08/2008 21:26:06 <Rathendar> i'd love to see an art gallery on the website with pics from teh paizo products.
05/08/2008 21:26:08 <Eyebite> lag
05/08/2008 21:26:09 <James Jacobs> Mad Geo> no such plans yet. As for art galleries... that's something that we don't really have the resources to manage at this time, alas. Our art directors are pretty booked solid with projects as they are.
21:26:46 <James Jacobs> Giving out the Free PDFs with subscriptions is probably as close as we can get for now to an art gallery.
05/08/2008 21:26:54 <heathansson> James Jacobs, tell me if my repetitive request gets annoying......anything about the Mars analogue?
05/08/2008 21:26:55 <James Jacobs> That, and periodically posting art to the blog, I suppose.
05/08/2008 21:27:05 <Adam> Why does the publishing world like artists better than writers?
05/08/2008 21:27:06 * Absinth quit (timeout)
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05/08/2008 21:27:10 <greengrunt> No worries... I'm just happy that there's Pathfinders a'coming!
05/08/2008 21:27:41 <Mad Geologist> Adam Becuase it's easier for people to see what an artist means???
05/08/2008 21:27:56 <Adam> Good point Charles
05/08/2008 21:28:04 <Mad Geologist> Adam: Umm, weird 'modern artists' aside.
05/08/2008 21:28:04 <Russ> because it's easier to identify a bad artist than a bad writer?
05/08/2008 21:28:13 <heathansson> Adam--it's just luck of the draw, man.
05/08/2008 21:28:17 <Adam> Russ, I disagree.
05/08/2008 21:28:20 * Lilith shuffles along to get food.
05/08/2008 21:28:35 <Adam> But see your point too
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05/08/2008 21:29:50 <Rambling Scribe> I think it's easier for people to know they are a bad artist than to know they are a bad writer.
05/08/2008 21:29:57 <Absinth> James, do you already have players for your Sandpoint-Campaign?
05/08/2008 21:30:04 <Mad Geologist> James Jacobs: I'm not sure what this 'mars analogue' which Heathansson keeps asking for details about is, but can you see his questions?
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05/08/2008 21:30:08 <Absinth> RS, very true...
05/08/2008 21:30:12 <Adam> Nice answer, Scribbles.
05/08/2008 21:30:13 <Timitius> Lilith, at some point, we should discuss some PaizoCon biz-niss.
05/08/2008 21:30:32 <Rambling Scribe> Which makes them value skilled artists more than skilled writers....
05/08/2008 21:30:35 <Russ> Mad Geologist - the red planet, like in John Carter
05/08/2008 21:30:35 <Eyebite> Oh Lilith, I like the new color layout of the chat.
05/08/2008 21:30:37 <Lilith> Mad Geologist, I think heathy is referring to Akiton
05/08/2008 21:30:40 <greengrunt> RS> I'm both... And it's like a kick in the balls .. Let me tell you!
05/08/2008 21:31:04 <Mad Geologist> .
05/08/2008 21:31:04 <greengrunt> RS> Er... pertaining to the bad artist and writer comment
05/08/2008 21:31:10 <Absinth> 4
05/08/2008 21:31:13 <Samwise> John Carter is way cool
05/08/2008 21:31:36 <Rambling Scribe> I had to go to fine arts college to find out I was a bad artist...
05/08/2008 21:31:49 <Mad Geologist> .
05/08/2008 21:32:04 <Lilith> Eyebite, thanks!
05/08/2008 21:32:04 <Russ> So whatever osquips were really called, 4 armed green giants...
05/08/2008 21:32:06 <Adam> Wow, so you paid someone to tell you!?
05/08/2008 21:32:32 <Russ> Timitius - I'd love to see PaizoCon planning chats start up again
05/08/2008 21:32:33 <Samwise> Tharks
05/08/2008 21:32:35 <Absinth> James, are the Pillars of Kreth a kind of portal?
05/08/2008 21:32:36 <Rambling Scribe> No, I paid someone to let me figure it out on my own...
05/08/2008 21:32:40 * Lilith thinks she's a terrible artist.
05/08/2008 21:32:49 <Samwise> for the green men
05/08/2008 21:32:53 <Russ> Ulsios?
05/08/2008 21:32:58 <Mad Geologist> Rambling Scribe: Well at least they did tell you; a lot of people might tae the money and say 'wonderful artist, of coutrse'....
05/08/2008 21:32:59 * Adam is a good doodler.
05/08/2008 21:33:00 <Samwise> and ulsios for the multi-legged rats
05/08/2008 21:33:12 <Jon> James Jacobs> as a D&D Player and DM for over 25 years now, I just wanted to say Thank you for everything that the staff at Paizo has, is, and will do for the game that I hold dear to my heart.
05/08/2008 21:33:12 <Samwise> yes, provided i dont lag endlessly
05/08/2008 21:33:17 <James Jacobs> heathansson> there's some tidbits and prizes about the Red Planet in Pathfinder #14. Not much... we aren't quite ready to do much with it yet since we're still getting Golarion in play.
05/08/2008 21:33:21 * Rambling Scribe thinks Lilith is way better than him.
05/08/2008 21:33:41 * Pygon agrees with Jon - hear hear!
05/08/2008 21:33:44 <James Jacobs> Adam> Because words are cheep and practically free, and Art is EXPENSIVE.
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05/08/2008 21:33:47 <Jon> Lilith, you are not a terrible artist. That much we know to be true.
05/08/2008 21:33:48 <Absinth> Mad Geo, very true! Like the terrible Rob Liefeld!
05/08/2008 21:34:15 <Rambling Scribe> MG: They didn't tell me. I just saw the people who were in the program who were good artists and figured it out.
05/08/2008 21:34:20 <James Jacobs> Absinth> I haven't really done much about getting the Sandpoint campaign going at all. I suspect it'll be an Editor-Only campaign though.
05/08/2008 21:34:27 <Adam> James, that was the answer I thought I'd get.
05/08/2008 21:34:41 <Mad Geologist> Rob Liefeld? I seem to recall seeing that icon on a cheesecake thread on the Paizo boards....
05/08/2008 21:34:58 <Samwise> Absinth>invoke not the forbidden name of Liefeld!
05/08/2008 21:35:11 <James Jacobs> Absinth> The Pillars of Kreth? (AKA: I don't have everything we've printed memorized, alas...)
05/08/2008 21:35:17 * Mad Geologist checks for a emoticon with a joke slice of an actual dessert...
05/08/2008 21:35:27 <James Jacobs> Jon>Yay! Thanks!
05/08/2008 21:35:46 <Mad Geologist> Cake??? ?
05/08/2008 21:35:59 <greengrunt> Cakies!!
05/08/2008 21:36:01 <Jon> Mad Geologist, that's cheese
05/08/2008 21:36:05 <Hill Giant> Belkzan has some cool locals, and then it has weird shit like the pillars or the stairway to nowhere...
05/08/2008 21:36:10 * Lazaro joins Main
05/08/2008 21:36:12 <Hill Giant> locales
05/08/2008 21:36:12 <greengrunt> Not to be confused with khakis
05/08/2008 21:36:20 * Mad Geologist fails his search check....
05/08/2008 21:36:20 <Jon> cheese cookies?
05/08/2008 21:36:22 <greengrunt> Hi Lazaro
05/08/2008 21:36:31 <Russ> Good graphic artists just seem to be hard to find.
05/08/2008 21:36:37 <Adam> Howdy Lazaro
05/08/2008 21:36:44 * Jon hands Mad Geologist more
05/08/2008 21:36:49 <Eyebite> Must run to the store. G'night all!
05/08/2008 21:36:52 <Absinth> Okay, jam,es. It's in the article about the Hold Of Belkzen Sutter wrote. There's a ring of stone pillars and therwe's energy felt at a certain time (maybe when there's a certain planet constellation?!) and ppl are sometimes vanishing and are never seen again.
05/08/2008 21:36:57 <greengrunt> NIght Eye
05/08/2008 21:37:00 <Lilith> Russ, what's your definition of graphic artist? Are you talking about logo design/layout/presentation?
05/08/2008 21:37:04 <Lazaro> Hey yall, what's up
21:37:10 <Lilith> Night Eyebite!
05/08/2008 21:37:14 <Lilith> Hey there Lazaro!
05/08/2008 21:37:19 <Jon> G'nite all
05/08/2008 21:37:19 <Hill Giant> "...That popsicle stick skyscraper, or the world's largest magnifying glass, or that escalator to nowhere..."
05/08/2008 21:37:24 <Lazaro> Hi Lilith
05/08/2008 21:37:26 <Adam> Take care, Eyebite
05/08/2008 21:37:29 * Jon changes his/her nickname to Jon.
05/08/2008 21:37:46 <Mad Geologist> James Jacobs: Any Questions for us?
05/08/2008 21:37:59 <Pygon> yes please
05/08/2008 21:38:17 <Absinth> God, my spelling is getting worse. It's just too early for this kind of stuff...
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05/08/2008 21:39:04 <James Jacobs> Absinth> You'd have to ask James Sutter if he had anything else in mind for that, actually; chances are good that there's NOT more to it, in fact. Many of the locations in the gazetteer style articles are meant to be adventure hooks to spur the imagination and little more.
05/08/2008 21:39:37 <Mothman> sounds like it te;leports you to one of the other planets ... or another star
05/08/2008 21:39:44 <greengrunt> JJ> That can be liberating and frustrating for us DMs at the same time
05/08/2008 21:39:45 <Mad Geologist> .
21:40:28 <James Jacobs> Mad Geo> No questions off the top of my head, nope.
05/08/2008 21:40:41 <Samwise> just make sure none turns into another doomgrinder
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05/08/2008 21:40:50 <greengrunt>
05/08/2008 21:41:02 <Rambling Scribe> It sounds (IIRC) like that stone circle is similar to the one in Sutter's Dungeon adventure "The Automatic Hound." It maybe a reference, or just that that's the kind of thing he likes to write about.
05/08/2008 21:41:05 <Absinth> Yes, I realize that it's proobably meant as an adventure hook. But when I read it first, I thought that it would be cool if it's some kind of temporary portal to the red planet. Btw, will James Sutter show up here in the future?
05/08/2008 21:41:16 <Adam> I've gotta be on the job site in nearly 6hrs. I should go.
05/08/2008 21:41:19 <greengrunt> Samwissssszzzz hatessss Doomgrinderssss ..Yeessss??
05/08/2008 21:41:23 <James Jacobs> Sutter DOES get a kick out of portals, that's for sure.
05/08/2008 21:41:27 <Pygon> gnite Adam
05/08/2008 21:41:30 <Rambling Scribe> Ah, Damn!
05/08/2008 21:41:33 <Adam> Y'all have a great evening!
05/08/2008 21:41:40 <Rambling Scribe> G'Night!
05/08/2008 21:41:44 <James Jacobs> I'll let James Sutter know that his fans miss him, though!
05/08/2008 21:41:49 <Hill Giant> 'night, Adam
05/08/2008 21:41:55 <Lilith> Night Adam!
05/08/2008 21:42:03 <Russ> doomgrinder - worst post-93 greyhawk product
05/08/2008 21:42:04 <Absinth> Night Daigle...
05/08/2008 21:42:06 <Adam> Peace folks!
05/08/2008 21:42:09 <Fray> Russ> We're around... (graphic artist types)
05/08/2008 21:42:15 <greengrunt> crap.. my night Adam was eaten!!
05/08/2008 21:42:16 <Hill Giant> doomgrinder?
05/08/2008 21:42:21 <greengrunt> Night Adam
05/08/2008 21:42:23 <Samwise> greengrunt>hate? no, its not worthy of such emotion, its just . . . useless
05/08/2008 21:42:31 * Adam quit
05/08/2008 21:42:35 <Mad Geologist> I thought the stones in The Automatic Hound were something to do with a fertility rite? Oh: there may have been a plaanr connection???
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05/08/2008 21:42:53 <Russ> Lilith - graphic artist, I meant just people who make real art, not layout. Probably the wrong word.
05/08/2008 21:43:05 <Samwise> Hill Giant>what should be the ultimate example of an adventure seed going wrong in the hands of a later author
05/08/2008 21:43:08 <Rambling Scribe> MG: Yes and Yea, again, IIRC.
05/08/2008 21:43:13 <Mothman> Mad Geo, they summoned something from the Fey Realm or the Beastlands or something IIRC
05/08/2008 21:43:26 <Hill Giant> Russ, visual artist
05/08/2008 21:43:31 * Mad Geologist thinks stone circles should always lead to near TPKs at the hands of Barrow-Wights, although occasinal other-planar portals (or ley roads???) are interesting.
05/08/2008 21:44:05 <greengrunt> MB> Are there different stats for barrow wights somewhere?
05/08/2008 21:44:11 <Absinth> Portals are cool stuff. In my homebrew I have a region with very instable planar links and there's always the chance of portals appearing and swallowing people or spewing out monstrosities...
05/08/2008 21:44:14 <greengrunt> Er.. MG I meant
05/08/2008 21:44:34 <Fray> Russ> Nope, it's a good work, it applies equally to graphic designer and graphic artist... (IMO)
05/08/2008 21:44:39 <Pygon> I can't get into portals with mundane "keys" though
05/08/2008 21:44:40 <Lazaro> dang lag
05/08/2008 21:45:07 <Mad Geologist> Greengrunt: Epic-level homebrewed threats, I'm afraid... mad rulers from long ago, sort of slightly like demiliches, although no phylacteries.
05/08/2008 21:45:27 <greengrunt> Cool
05/08/2008 21:45:36 <Mad Geologist> Greengrunt: If you do manage to beat one on its home turf (tough challange) it does stay dead.
21:45:47 <Fray> Lilith I'll be updating the calaendar with the current artowrk when I get my PF#12...
05/08/2008 21:45:54 <Absinth> James, which of Golarions nations is the most advanced at seafaring (besides the folks from the Land Of the Linorm Kings)?
05/08/2008 21:45:55 <Lilith> Fray, sweet!
05/08/2008 21:46:04 <greengrunt> You should post the stats somewhere MG
05/08/2008 21:46:27 <Fray> Then it's off to work on the 4709 with the Shaodws AP...
05/08/2008 21:46:46 <Mad Geologist> Greengrunt I was inspired by the artwork for the 'barrow-wight' card from Middle-Earth: The Wizards CCG which was out back in the 1990's.
05/08/2008 21:46:55 <Fray> ok.. i'm out too... nite y'all
05/08/2008 21:47:05 <Pygon> good night Fray
05/08/2008 21:47:07 <greengrunt> Night Fray
05/08/2008 21:47:11 <Lazaro> later fray
05/08/2008 21:47:18 <greengrunt> Very nice MG
05/08/2008 21:47:24 <Mad Geologist> Greengrunt: The 'heroes' version of the card, not the minions one, although that artwork was interesting int its own way, too.
05/08/2008 21:47:43 <Blazej> Bye Fray.
05/08/2008 21:47:48 <Mad Geologist> I really liked the artwork for much of that game..... sigh
05/08/2008 21:47:52 * Russ is finally into chapter 11 of the Age of Worms, after 2.5 years of running!
05/08/2008 21:47:57 <Ross @ Work> Lilith, I just realized you're going to have to tweak your calendar once you read your campaign setting. They talk about leap years.
05/08/2008 21:48:00 <James Jacobs> Absinth> I don't know off the top of my head who the most advanced seafaring folk are, to be honest.
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05/08/2008 21:48:08 <greengrunt> Nice Russ... congrats!
05/08/2008 21:48:11 <Mad Geologist> Russ: The end draws nigh???
05/08/2008 21:48:18 <James Jacobs> Since I don't know what you mean by "most advanced.
05/08/2008 21:48:43 <greengrunt> I think he means... nuclear submarines??
05/08/2008 21:48:49 <Rambling Scribe> Russ: My group just finished chapter 10 of AoW tonight!
05/08/2008 21:48:53 <Absinth> .
05/08/2008 21:48:57 <James Jacobs> Most technologically advanced ships? Most widespread? The best explorers? The most deadly navy? The most trade routes? The largest overall global impact?
05/08/2008 21:49:05 <Russ> In the real world, are the best shipmakers usually the best navigators?
05/08/2008 21:49:11 <greengrunt> Most deadly navy!!
05/08/2008 21:49:15 <Mad Geologist> James Jacobs: In the industry, how are things with the sad events at WotC reported these past few days? (Joseph Batten??)
05/08/2008 21:49:19 <Russ> And yeah, there's a difference between exploration and navy, excellent point
05/08/2008 21:49:31 <Lazaro> Russ: Wow congrat. How'd you keep them interested in playing that far in
05/08/2008 21:49:36 <Russ> Mad - I'm just happy the SOB saved a trial.
05/08/2008 21:49:46 <Russ> Lazaro - leet DM skills
05/08/2008 21:49:47 <Absinth> Hmm, most technically advanced and most ambitious....
05/08/2008 21:50:01 <Lilith> Ross @ Work, not really...just add one day for St Alika's birthday for that year in question.
05/08/2008 21:50:04 <Russ> I feel a lot of sympathy for the poor woman he murdered.
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05/08/2008 21:50:29 <Absinth> Which, f.e. is the nation that does most of the trade with Tian Xia?
05/08/2008 21:50:51 <James Jacobs> Mad Geo> Things are pretty much unchanged at Paizo; it's certainly a tragedy, but I believe that all of us here are pretty far removed from the folk involved. I am, at least.
05/08/2008 21:51:02 <greengrunt> hI Olli
05/08/2008 21:51:13 <ollibolli> good morning
05/08/2008 21:51:16 <Mad Geologist> JJ: I saw that Lisa posted on the thread on the Paizo boards about it.
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05/08/2008 21:51:32 <James Jacobs> Absalom probably does the most trade with Tian Xia, but MAYBE Katapesh.
05/08/2008 21:51:55 <Mad Geologist> Anyway, back to Golarion....
05/08/2008 21:52:05 <Rambling Scribe> How extensive is Tian Xia's navy/trade fleet?
05/08/2008 21:52:27 <Mad Geologist> .
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05/08/2008 21:52:50 <Rambling Scribe>
05/08/2008 21:52:58 <Lilith>
05/08/2008 21:53:02 * Mad Geologist waves to heathansson.
05/08/2008 21:53:22 <heathansson> me computer got all jammy it did! Darr.
05/08/2008 21:53:22 <Mad Geologist> Heathansson: You got an answer to your question...
05/08/2008 21:53:53 <heathansson> I can't see it...
05/08/2008 21:53:57 <Ross @ Work> Lilith, ah. I was araid it would be more complicated than that.
05/08/2008 21:54:04 <heathansson> is there a way to go up moreso?
05/08/2008 21:54:17 <Mad Geologist> .
05/08/2008 21:54:23 <Lilith> Ross @ Work, me too.
05/08/2008 21:54:31 <Lilith> heathansson, not after you've been logged out, no.
05/08/2008 21:54:34 <James Jacobs> Rambling Scribe> Extensive enough to have a relatively strong footprint in the Inner Sea region.
05/08/2008 21:54:39 <heathansson> Darr!
05/08/2008 21:54:46 <Rambling Scribe> Nice.
05/08/2008 21:54:50 * Hill Giant changes his/her nickname to HG is Closing
05/08/2008 21:54:52 <greengrunt> Well.. I must be off.. JJ as always it's been a great chat... As well as with the rest of the folks.. I wish you all mucho happiness... And JJ may you have no nightmares to, from, and during your stay in Indianapolis
05/08/2008 21:55:12 <Pygon> unless of course they give him inspiration.
05/08/2008 21:55:17 <Rambling Scribe> See you later GG!
05/08/2008 21:55:17 <greengrunt> G'night all!!
05/08/2008 21:55:20 <Lazaro> later greengrunt
05/08/2008 21:55:24 <Pygon> gnite grunt
05/08/2008 21:55:26 <Mad Geologist> Heathansson: JJ wrote:heathansson> there's some tidbits and prizes about the Red Planet in Pathfinder #14. Not much... we aren't quite ready to do much with it yet since we're still getting Golarion in play.
05/08/2008 21:55:31 <James Jacobs> There's a little bit more about Tian Xia in the hardcover on page 157. That's pretty much all we've done in developing the place, though.
05/08/2008 21:55:44 <heathansson> Right on!
05/08/2008 21:55:58 <Rambling Scribe> I'm going to pick up the Hardcover next Thursday.
05/08/2008 21:55:59 * Mad Geologist did a quick copy & paste....
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21:56:53 <heathansson> What'd be nice, would be an Anjin-san//Shogun type intro adventure, or AP to one of the far east places.
05/08/2008 21:56:58 <Mad Geologist> James Jacobs: How are the pre-orders for PF #13 ooking liking holding up, by the way?
05/08/2008 21:57:12 * Lilith can't wait for her order to come in!
05/08/2008 21:57:15 <heathansson> Get shipwrecked over there, all stranger in a strange land like.
05/08/2008 21:57:26 <Mad Geologist> PF #13, is having to fight in a 4e environment.
05/08/2008 21:57:58 * Justin's out and about changes his/her nickname to Justin Sluder
05/08/2008 21:58:10 <Absinth> James, is there a chance of a book on seafaring in Golarion? I imagine stuff about Golarions most notorious pirates, trading companies, types of ships and rules for naval battles in there...
05/08/2008 21:58:11 <Mad Geologist> Arguably, some DMs might have gone through to #12 to finish off the Crimson Throne path, but they are making a conscious decision with PF #13, to at least partially stay with Paizo...
05/08/2008 21:58:30 <Mad Geologist> (Even if they carry out a homebrew conversion)
05/08/2008 21:58:36 <Lilith> Mad Geologist, I think the Drow Appeal might have something going for it as well.
05/08/2008 21:59:03 <James Jacobs> Mad Geo> I haven't really had a chance to look too much at orders for Pathfinder 13, but they seem pretty sstrong.
05/08/2008 21:59:11 <Mad Geologist> Lilith: Possibly, up to a point; I hear that Goodman is producing 4E adventures under the OGL, however?
05/08/2008 21:59:29 <James Jacobs> They're stronger than PF#7s orders were, at least.
05/08/2008 21:59:36 <Pygon> sweet
05/08/2008 21:59:39 <Rambling Scribe> Adventure-wise, I don't think WotC has put up much competition, to be honest.
05/08/2008 21:59:42 <Mad Geologist> Lilith: There was an ogrecave podcast someone linked to one the Paiz boards.
05/08/2008 21:59:51 <Pygon> RS - agreed, currently
05/08/2008 21:59:52 <James Jacobs> Absinth> There's certainly a chance for naval stuff... but probably not for quite a while.
05/08/2008 21:59:55 <Mad Geologist> James Jacobs: Ah. Now that is interesting....
05/08/2008 22:00:13 <James Jacobs> We may eventually do a strongly naval Adventure Path, but we also just did one with Savage Tide and I'm not too keen to go back there right yet...
05/08/2008 22:00:43 <Absinth> I'd be very interested in stuff like this...
05/08/2008 22:00:47 <Mad Geologist> Lilith: http://www.ogrecave.com/audio/...p?id=88 It's about 45 minutes long and goes into discussions about lego indiana jones amongst other things....
05/08/2008 22:01:17 <Lilith> Mad Geologist, what's the podcast about?
05/08/2008 22:01:23 <Mad Geologist> James Jacobs: Ah, and that reminds me, any chance of a Lego/Pathfinder deal anytime soon???
05/08/2008 22:01:26 <Russ> Congrats on making it this far
05/08/2008 22:01:41 <Lilith> Mad Geologist, ah okay, just read it
05/08/2008 22:02:01 <Pygon> Pathfinder Legos? I'd buy 'em.
05/08/2008 22:02:09 <Mad Geologist> ilith: It seems to be various people from Goodman having a discussion about where Goodman is going, with 4E, and gets on to other things (what games they've been playing recently) later...
05/08/2008 22:02:18 <HG is Closing> I'm off - 'night, all!
05/08/2008 22:02:27 <Pygon> gnite Giant
05/08/2008 22:02:30 <Mad Geologist> Goodnight HG.
05/08/2008 22:02:35 <Rambling Scribe> Night HG!
05/08/2008 22:02:42 <Justin Sluder> Later HG
05/08/2008 22:02:49 <James Jacobs> Mad Geo> The lego deal is right behind the big video game deal and the movie deal and the TV show deal.
05/08/2008 22:03:17 <James Jacobs> AKA: In the "wouldn't it be cool if..." category.
05/08/2008 22:03:21 * HG is Closing quit (timeout)
05/08/2008 22:03:24 <Rambling Scribe> I'm waiting for the Pathfinder lego videogame.
05/08/2008 22:03:31 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, I'm volunteering right now to be an extra on the tv show
05/08/2008 22:03:36 <Absinth> James, will we see new player races in The Great Beyond?
05/08/2008 22:03:46 <Mad Geologist> Lilith: I think JasonRedX (one of the pro 4E messageboarders posted the link, along with comment about the GSL not being the sky falling on their heads for some companys. The podcast they do seem reasonably upbeat.
05/08/2008 22:04:16 <Mad Geologist> Presupposing the site is authentic ()
05/08/2008 22:04:40 <Lilith> Mad Geologist, your paranoia is getting the better of you.
05/08/2008 22:04:41 <Ross @ Work> Justin Sluder, screw extra. I want to play Ezren. So what if I'm 40 year too young.
05/08/2008 22:04:44 <Rambling Scribe> MG: I'm pretty sure just Joe Goodman is from Goodman games int hat interview. Aren't the other two the hosts?
22:05:07 <Ross @ Work> I just want to play the crotchety wizard.
05/08/2008 22:05:23 <Pygon> James - still playing Age of Conan or are you back to WoW again?
05/08/2008 22:05:26 <Justin Sluder> Ross @ Work, I'd be to excited to have a speaking part.
05/08/2008 22:05:28 <Mad Geologist> Rambling Scribe: Could be. I'm not familiar with the series of podcasts; I followed that one up having seen it in a GSL thread.
05/08/2008 22:05:35 <James Jacobs> Absinth> No new player races in the Great Beyond. We probably won't be doing many new player races at all, in fact.
05/08/2008 22:06:15 <Lilith> What's the word on hellknights James Jacobs?
05/08/2008 22:06:51 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, thank you for no new player races!
05/08/2008 22:06:52 <Mad Geologist> Rambling Scribe: If that was Joe Goodman, I imagine that he's qualified to speak about what Goodman Games are doing With regard to 4E.
05/08/2008 22:06:55 <James Jacobs> Pygon> I'm back to WoW for the most part. Age of Conan is fun... but all my friends are on WoW still. Also: Age of Conan suffers from lots of lag issues (probably because it's a more demanding game) and worse, the middle levels (30–60 at least) are pretty barren of places to go and things to do.
05/08/2008 22:07:01 <Ross @ Work> Thank you thankyou thankyou!
05/08/2008 22:07:20 <James Jacobs> Lilith> The word on hellknights is that they get 2 pages of info in the Campaign Setting... and then probably won't get much more info for about a year.
05/08/2008 22:07:31 <Lilith> James Jacobs, lol.
05/08/2008 22:07:40 * Lilith pines for her New Campaign Setting Ritual.
05/08/2008 22:07:43 <Mad Geologist> Hmmm. Pathfinder film... Come to the UK to film it!
05/08/2008 22:07:46 <Rambling Scribe> MG: Absolutely!
05/08/2008 22:07:53 <Mad Geologist> We have ruined castles!
05/08/2008 22:07:54 <Pygon> something tells me we'll be drowning in crunch after PFRPG is released
05/08/2008 22:08:01 <Russ> I don't want any whole-cloth new PC races. don't mind orc PCs, tho.
05/08/2008 22:08:13 <heathansson> Prague has castles too...
05/08/2008 22:08:15 <James Jacobs> New Player Races dilute the world's face. And they're kinda silly. If we DO do something like that... we won't be making up entirely new races; we'll be going to the ones we have.
05/08/2008 22:08:29 <James Jacobs> And since most of the ones that work well as PC races are already PC races... that's pretty much it.
05/08/2008 22:08:40 <Mad Geologist> UK ruined castles are s much more scenic than French of slovakian ruined castles....
05/08/2008 22:09:23 <James Jacobs> Pygon> At this point... I don't expect the crunch to flavor ratio in Pathfinder products to change once we switch over to the PF RPG.
05/08/2008 22:09:50 <Lilith> James Jacobs, cool. Flavor good!
05/08/2008 22:09:52 <Absinth> I understand it. I wouldn't want silly player races like WotC released in several books, but I thought that IF there'd be new races, they'd be found in TGB
05/08/2008 22:09:55 <Pygon> James - I liked the Great Beyond diagram. The onion-layered elemental planes was an interesting take. Are they still considered infinite in all directions, and the diagram is purely conceptual?
05/08/2008 22:09:56 <Mad Geologist> James Jacobs: Any word on the athfinder fiction (novels) lines, or is that an announcement being saved for GenCon... Uhh, for a day when it wouldn't be designed to take the spotlight away from a certain 'world's most popular' game system, that is.
05/08/2008 22:10:16 <Mad Geologist> (P)athfinder
05/08/2008 22:10:23 <James Jacobs> I kinda do mind orc PCs. Orcs are monsters in Golarion. All the rules you need to play one as a PC are already in the game, but if we go and expressly say they're player races... all of a sudden they stop being monsters. I'm not interested in "friendly orcs."
05/08/2008 22:10:23 <Ross @ Work> James Jacobs, Lilith, yes. Flavor good. Flavor never runs out...crunch paints itself into a corner.
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05/08/2008 22:11:18 <James Jacobs> Absinth> The Great Beyond is mostly for PCs from Golarion to explore. Native races to the other planes are gonna skew toward the tough side, as in having higher CRs than the baseline races of the Material Plane.
05/08/2008 22:11:56 <Absinth> Okay... But there'll be new planar non-PC races then?
05/08/2008 22:11:58 <Russ> Mostly, I tend to play half-orcs as mixed-blood rather than true half and half...works better for me story-wise
05/08/2008 22:11:58 <James Jacobs> Pygon> The planes aren't infinite... but they ARE so huge that they might as well be. The material plane, for example, is the size of the real-world universe. And it fits inside all the other planes, pretty much...
05/08/2008 22:12:13 <James Jacobs> Mad Geo> No new word on Pathfinder fiction.
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05/08/2008 22:12:23 * Mad Geologist wonders if that means that there are (going the other way) weaker 'native' versions of fiends?
05/08/2008 22:12:38 <Mad Geologist> (with regard to The Great beyond)
05/08/2008 22:12:53 <James Jacobs> Absinth> There are indeed a LOT of new planar races. We introduce a fair amount of them in the PFCS actually.
05/08/2008 22:12:55 <Russ> I'm assuming said other plane aren't just endless expanses of land, then.
05/08/2008 22:13:05 <Blazej> So at the edge of the universe is the plane of air?
05/08/2008 22:13:11 <James Jacobs> Yes
05/08/2008 22:13:21 <Russ> If the other planes aren't mainly empty space, they'd be unnecessarily large if they were as big as the real universe (or bigger)
05/08/2008 22:13:50 <James Jacobs> The other planes are separated by the Maelstrom, which is not only the Chaotic Neutral plane, but is also mostly empty space. As is the Astral and the Elemental planes.
05/08/2008 22:13:56 <Mad Geologist> Anyway, I have to go... Goodnight all.
05/08/2008 22:14:11 <ollibolli> gn8 mg
05/08/2008 22:14:12 <heathansson> Nitey nite
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05/08/2008 22:14:36 <Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]> Hello
05/08/2008 22:14:53 <Rambling Scribe>
05/08/2008 22:14:55 <ollibolli> Guten morgen franz
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05/08/2008 22:15:14 <Rambling Scribe>
05/08/2008 22:15:16 <Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]> JJ can we expect Pathfinder Beta to be available on August 14th?
05/08/2008 22:15:17 <ollibolli> Guten morgen Ed
05/08/2008 22:15:18 <Lilith> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDD!
05/08/2008 22:15:29 <Absinth> Hey Sothal, hey Ed
05/08/2008 22:15:34 <ephealy> Holy crap! Where'd all the people come from?
05/08/2008 22:15:45 <Lilith> ephealy, it's Tuesday man!
05/08/2008 22:15:45 <ollibolli> around the world
05/08/2008 22:15:50 <Pygon> hi Ed
05/08/2008 22:15:51 <ephealy> lol
05/08/2008 22:16:02 <Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]> Lilith: Wednesday in Europe
05/08/2008 22:16:14 <Lilith> Sothal [Preacher of Lilith], true.
05/08/2008 22:16:23 <Blazej> Europe doesn't count.
05/08/2008 22:16:26 <Ross @ Work> It's wednesday here on the East Coast! (And I'm still at work!)
05/08/2008 22:16:28 <James Jacobs> Sothal> I believe that's the goal for the Beta, yes.
22:16:38 <Blazej> Neither does the east coast.
05/08/2008 22:16:42 <Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]> What about Asia, Australia, Africa?
05/08/2008 22:16:55 * ephealy will be in the USA for next week's chat!
05/08/2008 22:17:15 <Lilith> Just in time for GenCon, eh Ed?
05/08/2008 22:17:21 <ephealy> Yop
05/08/2008 22:17:24 <ollibolli> europe scandinavia and the subcontinent
05/08/2008 22:17:29 <Blazej> Uhhh....
05/08/2008 22:17:43 * Rambling Scribe will finally meet Ed in person next week!
05/08/2008 22:18:02 <Absinth> James, do you have any african subscribers?
05/08/2008 22:18:09 <heathansson> It's
05/08/2008 22:18:25 <Blazej> Monty Python's Flying Circus!
05/08/2008 22:18:31 <Timitius> Howdy ephealy!
05/08/2008 22:18:36 <heathansson> It's Wednesday in Texas, but Texas is pretty big. Sometimes it's two days at the same time.
05/08/2008 22:18:39 <Pygon> Fishy fishy fishy oooo....
05/08/2008 22:18:42 <heathansson> I thought the same thing.
05/08/2008 22:18:48 <James Jacobs> Absinth> I have no idea.
05/08/2008 22:19:12 <Mothman> hate in when I need to work in the middle of a chat!
05/08/2008 22:19:36 <Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]> I basically don't chat when not at work
05/08/2008 22:19:48 <Lilith> James Jacobs, whatchoo workin' on right now at work? What's the big project?
05/08/2008 22:19:53 <Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]> Mind you, I said at work, not while working
05/08/2008 22:19:54 <Rathendar> what? how can nobody mention antarctica =/
05/08/2008 22:20:01 <Absinth> I'd like to know if RPGs are popular in africa. In south africa for sure, but what about the other nations?
05/08/2008 22:20:18 <ollibolli> I#d like to chat more when I'm at home, but my time here is limited
05/08/2008 22:20:31 <Rambling Scribe> Well, I gotta go get some
05/08/2008 22:20:40 <Rambling Scribe> Atarctica is awesome!
05/08/2008 22:20:41 <Justin Sluder> later Scribe
05/08/2008 22:20:46 <Mothman> Sothal: likewise ... but sometimes I actually need to do, you know, work stuff
05/08/2008 22:20:47 <Rambling Scribe> Night All!
05/08/2008 22:20:48 <Absinth> Night, Craig!
05/08/2008 22:20:51 <Lazaro> Later Scribe
05/08/2008 22:20:54 <Lilith> Night Scribbles!
05/08/2008 22:20:57 <Lilith>
05/08/2008 22:21:00 <ollibolli> gn8 rs
05/08/2008 22:21:03 <Mothman> Bye Scribe
05/08/2008 22:21:09 <Rambling Scribe> I prolly won't be here next week, because I'll be in transit to Gen Con!
05/08/2008 22:21:12 <Sothal [Preacher of Lilith]> Mothman, know that... same here
05/08/2008 22:22:02 <Absinth> James, what's the thing you're most looking forward to at GenCon?
05/08/2008 22:22:18 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout)
05/08/2008 22:22:25 <Pygon> so if you fly far enough, you hit air, then you should land in water, then burrow through earth, and hit fire. and that's how they appear. kewl!
05/08/2008 22:22:27 <James Jacobs> Lilith> Right now at work? Getting Pathfinder 15 over to Sarah for layout, finishing off the outline for Legacy of Fire and getting that to the authors, getting a tagged map of Katapesh to the authors of the "Guide to Katapesh" book, and trying to correct a bunch of obnoxious errors that crept into the PDF stuff we sent out.
05/08/2008 22:22:54 * Pete quit (timeout)
05/08/2008 22:23:04 <James Jacobs> Oh. And not writing any of "Into the Darklands" becuase of all that other stuff, and getting ready to spend all of the coming weekend doing just that.'
05/08/2008 22:23:42 <James Jacobs> Absinth> At this point? Getting off the plane after Gen Con is over and returning home to recover.
05/08/2008 22:23:47 * ephealy is AFK while he makes the girls breakfast
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05/08/2008 22:26:06 <ollibolli> sigh... GenCon...one year I will go there
05/08/2008 22:26:14 <Absinth> So, GenCon sounds like an inevitable evil...
05/08/2008 22:26:20 <Lilith> Absinth, for some.
05/08/2008 22:26:55 <Pygon> I think I'm out. Thank you again James, good luck at GenCon! Good night all
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12/08/2008 20:47:49 <James Jacobs> AHOY
12/08/2008 20:47:50 <Daigle> James!
12/08/2008 20:47:53 <greengrunt> James Jacobs!
12/08/2008 20:47:56 <greengrunt> ROCK!
12/08/2008 20:48:00 <James Jacobs> How's everyone?
12/08/2008 20:48:01 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]>
12/08/2008 20:48:10 <cappadocius> GENCON WOO!
12/08/2008 20:48:11 <Daigle> Doing good, you?
12/08/2008 20:48:20 * Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus] never gave up hope
12/08/2008 20:48:22 <cappadocius> James, will you have our Faction T-Shirts ready for us?
12/08/2008 20:48:23 <greengrunt> Fair to midland... and .. what Daigle said
12/08/2008 20:48:38 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> James Jacobs, how's the all night pow-wow going?
12/08/2008 20:48:40 <James Jacobs> Cappa> I do not! But I believe that other folk Paizo-involved do.
12/08/2008 20:49:07 <cappadocius> James: Sweet! We can buy them at Paizo HQ on Thursday?
12/08/2008 20:49:09 <James Jacobs> All night pow wow begins in 2 hours. Five of us are converging at Wes Schneider's place, and heading out to get our plane at like 2:30 AM!
12/08/2008 20:49:18 <James Jacobs> For a 5:15 AM flight... eew.
12/08/2008 20:49:20 <greengrunt> 2:30!?
12/08/2008 20:49:25 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]>
12/08/2008 20:49:25 <cappadocius> wow! You've even got me beat!
12/08/2008 20:49:28 <greengrunt>
12/08/2008 20:49:36 <James Jacobs> Cappa> I'm not sure. I know only that the shirts exist.
12/08/2008 20:49:55 <cappadocius> Which one of the Paizo Booth Monkeys is most succeptible to threats of violence?
12/08/2008 20:49:59 <cappadocius> I WILL HAVE A TALDOR SHIRT.
12/08/2008 20:50:05 <Majuba> James! yay
12/08/2008 20:50:07 <Uzzy> Tut tut.
12/08/2008 20:50:16 <Uzzy> Violence against other people is wrong in the PFS.
12/08/2008 20:50:31 <greengrunt> JJ>So will you be gaming and drinking before the flight? Drinking and gaming? Neither!?
12/08/2008 20:50:32 <Uzzy> As a Taldan, you should just convince them. With a diplomacy roll.
12/08/2008 20:50:42 <James Jacobs> Perhaps a little drinking. No gaming.
12/08/2008 20:50:50 <greengrunt> Nice!
12/08/2008 20:50:57 <James Jacobs> Mostly there will be video games and complaining about the early flight.
12/08/2008 20:51:07 <cappadocius> As an Orthodox Rovaguginite, Uzzy, I should just hit him with a Great Axe and take as many shirts as I like.
12/08/2008 20:51:12 <cappadocius> I'm trying to strike a balance here.
12/08/2008 20:51:18 <Uzzy> Aaah
12/08/2008 20:51:18 <greengrunt> What video games? Halo 2 deathmatch?
12/08/2008 20:51:30 <David> James Jacobs!
12/08/2008 20:51:57 <James Jacobs> Halo = lame
12/08/2008 20:52:00 <Majuba> James - who do you most hope to/anticipate seeing at Gen Con? Who most hope not to? (if any come to mind)
12/08/2008 20:52:05 <James Jacobs> Dunno what video games. Braid, probably.
12/08/2008 20:52:06 <greengrunt>
12/08/2008 20:52:19 <greengrunt> .. Braid??
12/08/2008 20:52:22 <James Jacobs> Majuba> I shouldn't say who I hope NOT to see... that's mean! (There are a few, though!)
12/08/2008 20:52:30 <Majuba> Braid hmm.. that's two mentions of that in one night for me
12/08/2008 20:52:30 <cappadocius> Braid! Woo!
12/08/2008 20:52:40 <James Jacobs> As for who I do want to see... all of my freelancers!
12/08/2008 20:52:48 <James Jacobs> Braid = a new xbox live game that's SUPER AWESOME.
12/08/2008 20:52:49 <cappadocius> And me!
12/08/2008 20:52:50 <Fray> James Jacobs> I bet you'll be playing Barbie Horsie Adventure!!!
12/08/2008 20:52:56 <Majuba> James > I was mostly thinking like random crazy people from previous years - but thanks for the partial answer
12/08/2008 20:52:59 <Uzzy> No no.
12/08/2008 20:53:02 <Uzzy> It's Bella Sara.
12/08/2008 20:53:10 <cappadocius> He wants to meet his token Extremely Variant Spawn of Fashan customer!
12/08/2008 20:53:17 <greengrunt> JJ> Like all of the dudes who don't shower before they get to the Con.. And stink .. like... a warehouse full of buffalo chips??
12/08/2008 20:53:22 <Fray> Are there Faction t-shirts?
12/08/2008 20:53:26 <Urza> gods... the 4e Realms campaign setting has apparently leaked out from certain stores and it seems A LOT more gods are missing with no explanation
12/08/2008 20:53:35 <cappadocius> James said there were, Fray!
12/08/2008 20:53:36 <Urza> oh.. hi James!
12/08/2008 20:53:53 <cappadocius> Urza: Gentrification.
12/08/2008 20:54:01 <Fray> Dammit! I need a tshirt!
12/08/2008 20:54:12 <Urza> Braid is AWESOME
12/08/2008 20:54:15 * Fray checks the wallet to see if there is a tshirt in it...
12/08/2008 20:54:16 <Mr Baron> Missing gods? did they all get eaten? what's up with that?
12/08/2008 20:54:18 * Urza nods in agreement with James
12/08/2008 20:54:19 <cappadocius> I will have it! A t-shirt!
12/08/2008 20:54:24 <cappadocius> Mr. Baron: Gentrification.
12/08/2008 20:54:25 <greengrunt> (searches for Braid)
12/08/2008 20:54:30 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> James Jacobs, in the PFS, can a single player have 2 characters, each of which is part of different factions at the same time?
12/08/2008 20:54:43 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> If it's in the guide, I've missed it.
12/08/2008 20:54:48 <cappadocius> They can, Justin! But each *player* can only play a scenario once.
12/08/2008 20:55:10 <James Jacobs> Majuba> there are indeed some random crazy people who I hope not to run in to.
12/08/2008 20:55:18 <Majuba> I think it is in the guide Justin - saw Vic or.. someone answer this on boards today (answer is yes)
12/08/2008 20:55:23 <Urza> i find it funny too.. it almost looks like WOTC backed off on killing NPCs... it makes NO mention of what happened to any of the super powers it seems
12/08/2008 20:55:51 <Fray> The super powers were taken in the M Day event... only 198 remain...
12/08/2008 20:55:53 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> cool
12/08/2008 20:55:56 <Mr Baron> if there is no risk, it is no as much fun when you do over come a tough challenge
12/08/2008 20:55:56 <James Jacobs> Justin> I don't know. I'm not on the inside track of the PFS, really. I just oversee the editing end of things there...
12/08/2008 20:55:59 * Pygon is away changes his/her nickname to Pygon
12/08/2008 20:56:07 <Pygon> hi James!
12/08/2008 20:56:08 <James Jacobs> OH! Cappa had your answer!
12/08/2008 20:56:11 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> wb Pygon
12/08/2008 20:56:41 <Pygon> thanks
12/08/2008 20:56:44 <Majuba> James - just got to say - Campaign Setting is blowing me away, Gnomes, Red Mantis Assassin, Pathfinder Chronicler
12/08/2008 20:57:04 <James Jacobs> Cool; thanks!
12/08/2008 20:57:16 * Urza agress with Majuba
12/08/2008 20:57:20 <cappadocius> GNOEMS?!
12/08/2008 20:57:25 <cappadocius> What about them?!
12/08/2008 20:57:35 <Urza> I don't think I've been so happy with a D&D book since I got the 3e FRCS
12/08/2008 20:57:37 <greengrunt> Second Darkness is a winner JJ.. Still a little on the fence about the Drow transformation though.. Reminds me of Gremlins.. and the er.. water..
12/08/2008 20:57:44 <Urza> you guys did a great job with the PFCS James
12/08/2008 20:57:48 * cappadocius always has the answer, because he pays attention to everything you people say.
12/08/2008 20:57:55 <Urza> especially considering the crazy cruth
12/08/2008 20:57:55 <Majuba> Cappa: "The Bleaching" - that's all I can say
12/08/2008 20:58:13 <Urza> crunch..
12/08/2008 20:58:14 <cappadocius> Are there Gnomish hat-related feats?
12/08/2008 20:58:30 <Majuba> umm.. sure cappa.. three of them...
12/08/2008 20:58:34 <cappadocius> James, why aren't there Gnomish hat-related feats yet?
12/08/2008 20:58:36 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> The drow transformation is a lot less wacky than gremlins... never fear. And a lot more rare. The vast majority of drow (probably 99.9949923%) were born drow to drow parents.
12/08/2008 20:58:39 <Pygon> James - are there many hints of future AP's in the CS at all?
12/08/2008 20:58:51 <James Jacobs> cappa> Because Mike was the gnome champion and he's not at Paizo anymore.
12/08/2008 20:58:55 <James Jacobs> Pygon> Yes. Lots.
12/08/2008 20:59:02 <James Jacobs> All of them, in fact.
12/08/2008 20:59:08 <Pygon> excellent
12/08/2008 20:59:20 <Pygon> I like it when planned products have such continuity
12/08/2008 20:59:25 * Moth AFC changes his/her nickname to Mothman
12/08/2008 20:59:30 <cappadocius> James: *I* Liek Mudki... er, GNOMEZ.
12/08/2008 20:59:31 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> wb Mothman
12/08/2008 20:59:35 <Fray> I like it when they are planned...
12/08/2008 20:59:42 <Mothman> Oh, hey James - all ready for GenCon?
12/08/2008 20:59:44 <Majuba> 'the -Mike +Sean thing threw me into a tailspin
12/08/2008 20:59:47 <Mothman> Thanks Justin
12/08/2008 20:59:47 <James Jacobs> Pygon> It's a little bit of that... plus also, future APs will be built out of things we threw into the PFCS on a whim.
12/08/2008 20:59:55 <greengrunt> JJ> Any one particular adventure path that you're really stoked about? Present or future?
12/08/2008 21:00:00 <cappadocius> And while I certainly have less power than Mike, I'm more tenacious and vastly more annoying.
12/08/2008 21:00:06 <James Jacobs> Mothman> Nope. I have about an hour to get packed and everything in place before I gotta run.
12/08/2008 21:00:18 <cappadocius> but seriously, yay PFCS! Will the authors sign my copy at the Paizo booth?
12/08/2008 21:00:21 <Mothman> James: An hour starting from ... now?
12/08/2008 21:00:32 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> Yup. I'm really stoked to get started on AP 6.
12/08/2008 21:00:58 <Pygon> James - how is the Darklands book looking?
12/08/2008 21:00:59 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> James Jacobs, can you share anything?
12/08/2008 21:01:00 <Majuba> will it be in the inner sea area?
12/08/2008 21:01:03 <James Jacobs> Moth> Yup. In about an hour, I head over to Wes's place. Five of us are converging there to consolodate the shuttle to the airport for the 5:00 AM flight.
12/08/2008 21:01:05 <greengrunt> AP 6... Sigh.. that's ..ulp 3 more APs away
12/08/2008 21:01:20 <James Jacobs> cappa> Anyone who you find at the Paizo booth will LOVE to sign books.
12/08/2008 21:01:24 <Mothman> Ah, 5am flights, love 'em
12/08/2008 21:01:28 <Majuba> Feb '10 - 2nd Pathfinder RPG AP
12/08/2008 21:01:32 * cappadocius hms.
12/08/2008 21:01:48 <Fray> James Jacobs> Anyway of getting a book signed if we will not be at GenCon?
12/08/2008 21:01:48 <cappadocius> yeah, it's in keeping in character for me to just have whoever happens to be loitering at the booth to sign stuff.
12/08/2008 21:02:02 <James Jacobs> Pygon> The Darklands book is about 60% done. Alas, most of what's remaining is my portion, so soon as I'm back from Gen Con I go full-bore Darklands.
12/08/2008 21:02:06 * cappadocius punches the air, anime style.
12/08/2008 21:02:13 <James Jacobs> Justin> Can't share anything about AP6 yet, alas.
12/08/2008 21:02:20 <James Jacobs> Since AP6 MIGHT change still...
12/08/2008 21:02:21 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> okay
12/08/2008 21:02:28 <Pygon> I'm really waiting to read that one.
12/08/2008 21:02:33 <Pygon> Absalom too
12/08/2008 21:02:33 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> what about AP 5? same situation?
12/08/2008 21:02:44 <greengrunt> JJ> Are you throwing in some critters into the Darklands of your own design?
12/08/2008 21:02:48 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> ABSALOM!!!!
12/08/2008 21:02:53 * Majuba is waiting for AP 21, about crabmen who steal a space freighter
12/08/2008 21:03:04 <James Jacobs> Fray> SIgned books are gonna be tougher to get if you're not there at Gen Con to get us to sign them, alas.
12/08/2008 21:03:11 <James Jacobs> AP5 is the same situation.
12/08/2008 21:03:32 <Fray> James Jacobs> I'll bring them to PaizoCon then...
12/08/2008 21:03:37 <James Jacobs> greengrunt> There's 5 new monsters in Darklands that I'm designing. Plus a few more sorta new monsters.
12/08/2008 21:03:42 <James Jacobs> Fray> That'll work great!
12/08/2008 21:03:44 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> that's cool
12/08/2008 21:03:47 <greengrunt>
12/08/2008 21:04:07 <Fray> James Jacobs> Will one be a gnome-bear-eagle?
12/08/2008 21:04:11 <greengrunt> Stoked.. about the Darklands!!
12/08/2008 21:04:17 <James Jacobs> No deadline monsters allowed.
12/08/2008 21:04:18 <Fray>
12/08/2008 21:04:22 <Fray> hahaha
12/08/2008 21:04:30 <cappadocius> Will you guys draw a deadline monster for me in my book if I ask?
12/08/2008 21:04:38 * Majuba fears the legendary Winged Gno-Bear
12/08/2008 21:04:47 <Fray> a KNight of the Stick Deadline Monster
12/08/2008 21:04:49 <greengrunt> JJ> Your Sandpoint office campaign going to be up and running after the Con?
12/08/2008 21:04:56 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> James Jacobs, will there be more info regarding the Clockwork Academy in Guide to Absalom?
12/08/2008 21:05:01 <Majuba> deadline monsters?
12/08/2008 21:05:04 <James Jacobs> Cappa> Sure! You'll need to give me the two animals to mesh together into the deadline monster, but I'll see what I can do if you corner me at the booth!
12/08/2008 21:05:12 <cappadocius> yay!
12/08/2008 21:05:12 <Pygon> James - I hope you're set up with some good leg room on the flight?
12/08/2008 21:05:29 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> The office Sandpoint campaign probably won't start till September. Gotta finish writing Darklands and unwind from Gen Con first!
12/08/2008 21:05:36 * cappadocius has a Hell Cow drawn by Keith Baker in his Eberron CS.
12/08/2008 21:05:41 <James Jacobs> Justin> Maybe. I have no idea; haven't seen the text yet.
12/08/2008 21:05:43 <Mothman> Paizo should do a kids story book of deadline monsters
12/08/2008 21:05:55 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> Mothman,
12/08/2008 21:05:59 <James Jacobs> Pygon> Dunno; won't know till I"m on the plane, I suspect.
12/08/2008 21:06:00 <greengrunt>
12/08/2008 21:06:05 <Pygon> what is a 'deadline monster'?
12/08/2008 21:06:08 <Majuba> what are deadline monsters?
12/08/2008 21:06:13 <James Jacobs> The owlbear is the classic.
12/08/2008 21:06:16 * Majuba highfives then jinx's Pygon
12/08/2008 21:06:33 <cappadocius> I'm gonna have the Paizo staff draw me some Panda-Starfishes.
12/08/2008 21:06:33 * Pygon returns the high five but falls in a pit
12/08/2008 21:06:33 <James Jacobs> It's my code name for any "new monster" that's just two animals smushed into one.
12/08/2008 21:06:37 <cappadocius> or Starfish-Pandas.
12/08/2008 21:06:44 * Mr Baron quit (timeout)
12/08/2008 21:06:45 <Mothman> "Quick! We need a monster! ... um, lets mash a cow and a bear together - Cowbear!"
12/08/2008 21:06:46 <James Jacobs> Starpanda Fishbears!
12/08/2008 21:06:50 * Samwise joins Main
12/08/2008 21:06:51 <James Jacobs> Exactly.
12/08/2008 21:06:53 <greengrunt> Starfish Pandas- ROCK!
12/08/2008 21:06:53 <Majuba> dead evolutionary? or "damn, I need a new monster by 5:00 p.m...." ahh
12/08/2008 21:06:59 <greengrunt> Hi Samwise
12/08/2008 21:07:02 <James Jacobs> The gorilla bear from 1st Edition Fiend Folio is the LORD of the Deadline Monsters.
12/08/2008 21:07:10 <cappadocius> yes.
12/08/2008 21:07:14 <cappadocius> He has a little crown and everything.
12/08/2008 21:07:21 <cappadocius> Although I'm fond of the Duckbunny.
12/08/2008 21:07:21 <James Jacobs> OK! I've gotta bail and get showered and pack and set up the cat and do all those other pre-flight things.
12/08/2008 21:07:23 <cappadocius> hm.
12/08/2008 21:07:24 <greengrunt> Starpanda Fishbears .. (Contemplates).. Even better!
12/08/2008 21:07:35 <Pygon> ok, thanks for stopping by James, good luck!
12/08/2008 21:07:35 <cappadocius> bye James! We love you!
12/08/2008 21:07:37 <James Jacobs> I"ll see some of you at Gen Con, and talk to the rest of you next Tuesday!
12/08/2008 21:07:37 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> take care JJ
12/08/2008 21:07:38 <Samwise> howdy
12/08/2008 21:07:41 <Daigle> Have a good flight!
12/08/2008 21:07:44 <greengrunt> Later JJ.. Have fun man.. I wish you all the best man!
12/08/2008 21:07:49 <James Jacobs> Will do! (i HOPE!)
12/08/2008 21:07:51 <Fray> Have a good trip!
21:07:53 <Justin [Cleric of Asmodeus]> try to have a little fun while working
12/08/2008 21:08:03 <Majuba> James - question from player - doh. take care!
12/08/2008 21:08:34 <Majuba> (question was when will more stuff on Vudra come out)
12/08/2008 21:08:39 <cappadocius> I often have answers, even if I'm not an official paizonian.
12/08/2008 21:08:50 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
20:09:21 * James Jacobs joins Main
19/08/2008 20:09:28 <Ross> JJ!
19/08/2008 20:09:28 <Daigle> Howdy James!
19/08/2008 20:09:31 <Generalissimo Uzzy> Yes, yes they are.
19/08/2008 20:09:32 <James Jacobs> Hey there!
19/08/2008 20:09:34 <Wyvern> James
19/08/2008 20:09:34 <greengrunt> HEY JAMES!
19/08/2008 20:09:34 <Daigle> Ross, yer right!
19/08/2008 20:09:35 <Pygon> Mr. Kortes usually shows before the chat for a small while, there was no sign of him tonite
19/08/2008 20:09:36 <Rathendar> rofl, talk about on cue
19/08/2008 20:09:38 <Pygon> hi James!
19/08/2008 20:09:39 <Eyebite> There's my answer
19/08/2008 20:09:43 <Eyebite> Hey James!
19/08/2008 20:09:44 <greengrunt> JJ> How's the car man?
19/08/2008 20:09:55 <Daigle> James is a trooper.
19/08/2008 20:10:09 <Justin Sluder> howdy James Jacobs, how're you?
19/08/2008 20:10:12 <James Jacobs> The car! It just had a dead battery; I'd left my iPod FM transmitter thing in the power adapter all week.
19/08/2008 20:10:12 <Skeld> hello, James
19/08/2008 20:10:14 <Pygon> James - first up. ENnies! Best adventure! Art! Publisher! Woooo!
19/08/2008 20:10:21 <Generalissimo Uzzy> No Lilith tonight, James. So it's a far less glamorous chat then normal.
19/08/2008 20:10:21 <James Jacobs> Yay! Ennies!
19/08/2008 20:10:22 <greengrunt>
19/08/2008 20:10:27 <greengrunt> Oh snap!
19/08/2008 20:10:39 <greengrunt> Mucho congrato on the Ennies!
19/08/2008 20:10:41 <Skeld> congrats on the ennies
19/08/2008 20:10:51 <Pygon> dead car? bleh!
19/08/2008 20:10:52 <Eyebite> yeah congrats and well deserved
20:11:00 <Rathendar> yah happy ennie news
19/08/2008 20:11:17 <greengrunt> iPod= rock!
19/08/2008 20:11:35 <Russ> Two wins for best adventure, effectively
19/08/2008 20:11:55 <greengrunt> JJ> how many groups you have on your iPod??
19/08/2008 20:12:06 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, would you like to see what the chat was like during all the winning at the ENnies?
19/08/2008 20:12:35 <Russ> Oh well, I should be there to run stuff for you next year
19/08/2008 20:12:41 <Daigle> Justin, you guys had a party here, right?
19/08/2008 20:12:43 <James Jacobs> I've got a LOT of stuff piled up on that iPod. About 30 GB of music or so...
19/08/2008 20:12:57 * psymin joins Main
19/08/2008 20:13:00 <James Jacobs> Was the chat all crazy during the Ennies?
19/08/2008 20:13:03 <Justin Sluder> Daigle, yep
19/08/2008 20:13:06 * Fray joins Main
19/08/2008 20:13:07 <greengrunt> hi Psymin
19/08/2008 20:13:09 <Justin Sluder>
19/08/2008 20:13:12 <Daigle> That rocks
19/08/2008 20:13:15 <greengrunt> Hi Fray
19/08/2008 20:13:18 <Daigle> Howdy psymin, Howdy Fray!
19/08/2008 20:13:19 <James Jacobs> HA! Awesome!
19/08/2008 20:13:23 <Pygon> yeah it was pretty much like that
19/08/2008 20:13:25 <Justin Sluder> that sums it up a little
19/08/2008 20:13:41 <Fray> hi gang
19/08/2008 20:13:47 <James Jacobs> Ahoy!
19/08/2008 20:13:50 <Justin Sluder> hiya Fray
19/08/2008 20:13:59 <psymin> Yes, the chat rocked during the ennies
19/08/2008 20:14:05 <psymin> Howdy greengrunt and Daigle and everyone
19/08/2008 20:14:09 <Justin Sluder>
19/08/2008 20:14:15 <Fray> Justin Sluder> Did you hear about the long bow that turns into a staff?
19/08/2008 20:14:29 <Fray>
19/08/2008 20:14:35 <Pygon> we spam refreshed criticalhits twitter updates then came back here and yelled with just about each announcement
19/08/2008 20:14:36 <Justin Sluder> Fray, is this a joke?
19/08/2008 20:15:01 <Russ> Mostly happy with Second Darkness. I do think it gets a bit fuzzy on being fair with the rules at two points in the Golden Goblin.
19/08/2008 20:15:03 <Fray> Justin Sluder> yes, beacuse I thought you were John for a second again...
19/08/2008 20:15:10 <Generalissimo Uzzy> Some of us spam refreshed. Others were civilized and just put on their auto refresh on Firefox.
19/08/2008 20:15:25 <Justin Sluder> JS and JS, it happens
19/08/2008 20:15:39 <James Jacobs> Russ> The rules in the gambling games being fair?
19/08/2008 20:15:44 <Fray> James> Who do we tell about typos in the Hard Cover?
19/08/2008 20:15:54 <Fray> or in the Beta?
19/08/2008 20:16:00 <Russ> One is denying players automatic Sense Motives - by all means, roll for them, but Sense Motive is reactive, you don't need to ask for it. If you're lied to, you're supposed to get it. The other is the admittedly unlikely chance that an elf gets within range of the secret door - blocking LOS to a secret door doesn't deny the chance to detect, anymore than a carpet over a trap door does.
19/08/2008 20:16:08 <Russ> No, the game rules
19/08/2008 20:16:24 <James Jacobs> Fray> You can email them to me at james.jacobs@paizo.com for the hardcover (I'm keeping track of them for that book), or post to the appropriate messageboard thread for the Beta.
19/08/2008 20:16:39 <Fray> coolio
19/08/2008 20:16:45 <Russ> The DC on the door is high enough that it's more or less irrelevant during the period the party might find it. For the Bluff, I'm just going to give the NPC i nquestion the Skill Focus he so dearly needs.
19/08/2008 20:16:56 <James Jacobs> Russ> By all means allow the Sense Motives.
19/08/2008 20:17:16 <Fray>
19/08/2008 20:17:40 <Russ> I like the noodges for what to do if the party catches him out. The guy's got a pair of brass ones as far as willing to pile more on a lie
19/08/2008 20:18:00 <James Jacobs> If the PCs find out early about bad NPC being tricksy, the adventure's more than capable of handling the situation if they catch the NPC in the act, in fact.
19/08/2008 20:18:03 <Fray> James Jacobs> Do you know when the PFSociety stuff will be posted about getting stores involved?
19/08/2008 20:18:19 <James Jacobs> In FACT: I suspect most parties WILL figure it out before they get to the final straw scene.
19/08/2008 20:18:30 <Fray> DC 25 Wedgie will take care of thatNPC
19/08/2008 20:18:35 <James Jacobs> They're supposed to figure it out, after all, so if things happen too early... that's all fine.
19/08/2008 20:18:57 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, Yes or No: can I buy the PFS scenarios and have one of my players run them for the group?
19/08/2008 20:19:00 <Russ> Yep. I like the setup. Not sure I can keep my PCs that involved in day-to-day, but the adventure is pretty flexible on that point.
19/08/2008 20:19:20 <Generalissimo Uzzy> James Jacobs> Any idea what you are shipping over to GenCon UK, and how many Beta's you're sending over?
19/08/2008 20:19:24 <James Jacobs> Fray> I don't; we're in catch-up mode all this week, but I suspect that getting things sorted out and rolling on the PFS scenarios is pretty high on Josh's list. Keep an eye at paizo.com for news.
19/08/2008 20:19:24 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 20:19:28 <Russ> Also a minor glitch in PF #12 - there is a critter with an unhallow tied to it, that lacks a description of which spell was chosen
19/08/2008 20:19:51 <David> James Jacobs!
19/08/2008 20:20:07 <James Jacobs> Justin> I suspect yes.
19/08/2008 20:20:45 <Justin Sluder> Excellent, because I'm in need of a break from GMing.
19/08/2008 20:21:01 <Fray> Justin Sluder> Where are you at?
19/08/2008 20:21:06 <James Jacobs> Russ> Yeah; the adventure's pretty easy to adjust for if the PCs figure things out early. And as for the unhallow...I'm not sure I remember what part you're talking about.
19/08/2008 20:21:26 <James Jacobs> But you don't HAVE to tie a secondary spell to an unhallow.
19/08/2008 20:21:38 <James Jacobs> OH. Wait. PF 12 is not PF 13.
19/08/2008 20:21:39 <Russ> The Akaruzug, that's what is missing the spell effect. I'm thinking I'll opt for the non-traditional choice of silence.
19/08/2008 20:21:40 <cappadocius> Oh! Mr. Jacobs is here!
19/08/2008 20:21:44 <James Jacobs> Ahoy!
19/08/2008 20:22:31 <James Jacobs> Russ> Ah, yeah. I suspect the problem there was we did PF 12 in 2 weeks, and that meant that development of monsters and the adventure happened at the same time and we just missed it in the crossover. Silence sounds like a good choice.
19/08/2008 20:22:46 <psymin> I didn't buy enough Betas to satisfy my groups. I wonder when FLGS will start to get them.
19/08/2008 20:22:50 <cappadocius> hallo! I wanted to share that my little cleric of Rovagug converted the Dwarven fighter to the True Faith at the end of Hydra's Fang!
19/08/2008 20:22:59 <cappadocius> I'm a successful missionary!
19/08/2008 20:23:02 <Russ> Freedom of movement is the power gamer choice, but I've been guilt of overusing it
19/08/2008 20:23:06 <Daigle> sweet, cappa
19/08/2008 20:23:16 <James Jacobs> The betas should start showing up in FLGSs pretty soon, I would guess. I'm not sure how many we're shipping to GenCon UK, though.
19/08/2008 20:23:17 <cappadocius> Thanks, Daigle!
19/08/2008 20:23:30 <James Jacobs> Cappa> Well done!
19/08/2008 20:23:33 <Russ> Wish we could claw a sales estimate out of y'all
19/08/2008 20:23:43 <cappadocius> Gnomish joie de vivre and brio win the day!
19/08/2008 20:24:03 <James Jacobs> Russ> Things are going VERY much better than we thought they would, and it was EASILLY the best Gen Con Paizo's ever had... and last year's was pretty damn good.
19/08/2008 20:24:20 <David> cool
20:24:24 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs,
19/08/2008 20:24:26 <greengrunt> Grats on that as well JJ
19/08/2008 20:24:37 <psymin> I've asked this one before, but I'm a bit paranoid. I've got an evil group that is going to start playing RotRL next week. Should I be concerned?
19/08/2008 20:24:58 <Daigle> psymin, you should always be concerned about an evil group.
19/08/2008 20:24:59 * Ison joins Main
19/08/2008 20:25:02 <greengrunt> Oh boy... Sandpoint is screwed
19/08/2008 20:25:07 <Daigle> Howdy Ison
19/08/2008 20:25:09 <greengrunt> Hey Ison
19/08/2008 20:25:10 <JonShade> James Jacobs, Congrats on all of the wins at the Ennies.
19/08/2008 20:25:25 <Ison> hidy ho guys
19/08/2008 20:25:26 <Justin Sluder> howdy Ison
19/08/2008 20:25:44 <Ison> yeah i just seen the ennie wins fer paizo gret job n congrats
19/08/2008 20:25:45 <Justin Sluder> psymin,
19/08/2008 20:26:00 <James Jacobs> psymin> No more so than for any group, really. As long as your group isn't out to kill each other, and as long as they aren't out to willfully derail the plot, things should be fine.
19/08/2008 20:26:12 <James Jacobs> Lawful Evil will work a LOT better than Chaotic Evil in Second Darkness.
19/08/2008 20:26:12 * psymin sighs with relief.
19/08/2008 20:26:49 * Ison quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 20:26:56 <James Jacobs> But in my experience... pre-packaged adventures just don't work well with evil PCs, since players tend to confuse "Evil" with "We are bound by law to derail everything that every other player AND the GM is trying to do."
19/08/2008 20:27:11 <James Jacobs> Jon> Thanks!
19/08/2008 20:27:14 <Russ> The Riddleport adventure is a bit closer to what I wanted out of Sasserine in Savage Tide. I felt like Sass. lost a lot by being made a good city, instead of a neutral one.
19/08/2008 20:27:29 <James Jacobs> Riddleport's not a neutral city, of course...
19/08/2008 20:27:36 <Fray> JonShade> Races of the Wild pg 166... there I said it!
19/08/2008 20:27:51 <Russ> OH! There's a PF #12 question. The bouncers in the goblin are described as "CR". Should that be CN or CE? I'm leaning CN, figuring a good bouncer doesn't enjoy their work too much, but I want an idea how to spin the flavor
19/08/2008 20:28:06 <JonShade> psymin, "Evil" parties are best done with homebrewed, most prepackaged adventures are for "Heroic" characters.
19/08/2008 20:28:14 <jmberaldo> Ah, James Jacobs. Welcome! Congrats on the Ennies and the Pathfinder sales
19/08/2008 20:28:24 <Russ> Sorry, PF #13 question not #12
19/08/2008 20:28:26 <JonShade> Fray, thanks I got that last night.
19/08/2008 20:28:34 <Fray> :whew:
19/08/2008 20:28:36 <psymin> JonShade > I hear you there.
19/08/2008 20:28:41 <Justin Sluder> Fray,
19/08/2008 20:28:54 <Fray> hehehe
19/08/2008 20:28:59 <Ison> my group is 50% evil 40% neutral 10% good lol poor lawful ranger
19/08/2008 20:29:04 <Fray> glad I got that off my chest...
19/08/2008 20:29:22 <jmberaldo> I once had a huge neutral to evil party
19/08/2008 20:29:27 <Russ> Yeah, I would rather have a Sasserine be a sem-evil sea princes type city with slaves if I had my druthers, I admit So no wonder I like Riddleport. Reminds me of the good old days on the Wild Coast.
19/08/2008 20:29:31 <JonShade> Fray, have you been hounded by Justin to get that done?
19/08/2008 20:29:32 <James Jacobs> Russ> HA! CR must mean Chaotic Rambunctious or something. Chaotic Neutral's the intended alignment.
19/08/2008 20:29:37 <jmberaldo> by the end of the first encounter, there were 2 characters left (out of
19/08/2008 20:29:44 <jmberaldo> er out of 8
19/08/2008 20:29:45 <Russ> (yes, I know Wild Coast isn't Sea Princes)
19/08/2008 20:29:48 <greengrunt>
19/08/2008 20:29:52 <jmberaldo> and no, it was not the encounter that killed them
19/08/2008 20:30:12 <James Jacobs> Russ> That wasn't the goal with Sassarine, though; we wanted a bastion of good on the edge of civilization with it.
19/08/2008 20:30:16 <Fray> JonShade> HAHHAHA Nope, vice versa... I keeping thinking he's you and telling him aboutit when he isthe one that found it in the first place...
19/08/2008 20:30:32 <James Jacobs> Russ> Since Sassarine was intended to be a mirror, sort of, of Scuttlecove.
19/08/2008 20:30:47 <Russ> That makes sense.
20:30:59 <Ison> porphory house horror
19/08/2008 20:31:09 <Ison> i read about scuttle cove
19/08/2008 20:31:27 <Ison> good times
19/08/2008 20:31:34 <Russ> I'm partial to a Lankmhar feel in my fantasy cities, or Sanctuary for those of you not quite as old as me
19/08/2008 20:31:59 <James Jacobs> Lankmhar is one of the best fantasy cities, hands down.
19/08/2008 20:32:01 <psymin> Is there an AP that deals with Geb?
19/08/2008 20:32:01 <Justin Sluder> I once played a NE gestalt artificer/half-fiend cleric in the same party as a LG gray elf gestalt cleric/monk. it was fun dancing around keeping the evil hidden.
19/08/2008 20:32:07 <greengrunt> I need to read some of Fahrd and the Grey Mouser.. sigh
19/08/2008 20:32:08 <James Jacobs> Not yet, Psymin.
19/08/2008 20:32:17 <greengrunt> Er.. Fafhrd?
19/08/2008 20:32:19 <James Jacobs> We'll have a little bit of Nex in Legacy of Fire, though.
19/08/2008 20:32:23 * IconoclasticScream joins Main
19/08/2008 20:32:28 <psymin> neat
19/08/2008 20:32:33 <greengrunt> Hey Icono
19/08/2008 20:32:35 <cappadocius> Is there an upcoming Pathfinder module in the Land of the Mammoth Lords?
19/08/2008 20:32:38 <Justin Sluder> howdy Icono
19/08/2008 20:32:41 <David> Justin Sluder, how did you hide the half fiend part?
19/08/2008 20:32:44 <James Jacobs> Cappa> Not yet.
19/08/2008 20:32:45 <Fray> Anyone ever read the Liavek series? That's a Great fantasy city.
19/08/2008 20:32:51 <IconoclasticScream> hey all
19/08/2008 20:32:57 * cappadocius is *incredibly* sad he didn't get to do the Hungry Are The Dead delve.
19/08/2008 20:33:11 <Fray> cappadocius> I'd love a Land o Mammoth adventure
19/08/2008 20:33:14 <Daigle> James, do you get any physical award for writing on Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk and it winning the silver? And...how badass is that to win the gold and silver in that category?
19/08/2008 20:33:16 <cappadocius> Mr. Jacobs, is there one planned? for eventually?
19/08/2008 20:33:16 <Justin Sluder> David, I had an interesting backstory, and used a level based half-fiend progression.
19/08/2008 20:33:20 <greengrunt> Liavek Fray?
19/08/2008 20:33:23 <Daigle> Howdy Ico!
19/08/2008 20:33:42 <Justin Sluder> i started out with very little half-fiend showing, but was a full blown half-fiend once I hit 4th level
19/08/2008 20:34:03 * Ison quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 20:34:08 <cappadocius> Were you a full-fiend by 8th?
19/08/2008 20:34:11 <IconoclasticScream> Daigle!
19/08/2008 20:34:22 <David> and the LG cleric didn't notice?
19/08/2008 20:34:30 <James Jacobs> Daigle> The actual physical award for EttRoG went to WotC, as it should have. But Chris Perkins invited me, Jason, and Erik up on the stage to help him accept the award, which was really cool. And as for winning both the silver and gold for adventures? That's actually something that I still haven't wrapped my head around... but I'm pretty proud of my work on both of them!
19/08/2008 20:34:35 <Fray> greengrunt, http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb...x=0&y=0 It's my second favorite setting after Thieves World
19/08/2008 20:34:43 <Justin Sluder> David, like i said. I had a very good backstory
19/08/2008 20:34:46 <Fray> and in some ways it's better...
19/08/2008 20:34:46 <Daigle> That freakin' rocks!
19/08/2008 20:34:53 <David> someone didnt take ranks in Knowledge(the planes)
19/08/2008 20:34:55 <James Jacobs> cappa> None planned yet. But it's a cool region. Eventually I'm SURE we'll get something done there.
19/08/2008 20:34:55 <greengrunt> JJ> how bad is it for catch up week?
19/08/2008 20:35:17 <Pygon> RHoD, There is no Honor, RoG, I really liked them all
19/08/2008 20:35:39 <greengrunt> ty for link Fray
19/08/2008 20:35:42 <Justin Sluder> David, we also hade a githzerai in the party. he was Neutral!
19/08/2008 20:35:46 <James Jacobs> greengrunt> It's not that bad, actually. Pathfinder SHOULD go out on time on Friday... a few others might get delayed to Monday, but that's a BAZILLION times better than this time last year when we were about 5 weeks behind on Pathfinder...
19/08/2008 20:35:57 <James Jacobs> Pygon> Thanks mucho!
19/08/2008 20:36:18 <Pygon> no thank you ok I'm done gushing.
19/08/2008 20:36:33 <jmberaldo> Fray> ooooh, didnt know that. Its definitly on my list of "books to buy next"
19/08/2008 20:36:33 <Fray> Liavek is a series within an awesome city. One of the coolest things is the power of a person's birthday... where their luck is at it's strongest. Many things happen on a birthday and even during birth hours.
19/08/2008 20:36:52 <yoda8myhead> will PF14 be out by the end of the month?
19/08/2008 20:36:53 <greengrunt> Interesting
19/08/2008 20:37:05 <Daigle> Birthday power? That rocks!
19/08/2008 20:37:15 <Fray> There's a cult that tries to get make labor last for days to increase the magic luck potential of the person being born.
19/08/2008 20:37:25 <yoda8myhead> and when are we getting another module? It's been like two months!
19/08/2008 20:37:25 <Pygon> James - Cosmo posted that you 'voided the warranty' on your Campaign Setting to test its binding. We were wondering earlier, how exactly does one go about accomplishing that?
19/08/2008 20:37:33 <Russ> Well, congrats. Are you going to get a vacation one of these days?
19/08/2008 20:37:48 <Russ> Pygon - bending it so the outer covers meet is a good start
19/08/2008 20:37:59 <Justin Sluder> Pygon, who's we?
19/08/2008 20:38:01 * psymin wonders if CS is the first hardback Paizo has released.
19/08/2008 20:38:05 * jmberaldo imagines a gaming sessing... <player 1> Can it be my birthday today? <GM> Uh... ok. <player 1> Massive fireball!
19/08/2008 20:38:07 <Fray> Daigle> It's a pretty rad plot device...
19/08/2008 20:38:18 <jmberaldo> gar! "session"
19/08/2008 20:38:26 <Daigle> Dryder posted a picture on our boards of his copy after it's trek to Germany. It looked...abused.
19/08/2008 20:38:26 <jmberaldo> my brain is melting away!
19/08/2008 20:38:29 <Ross> psymin - Shackled City.
19/08/2008 20:38:46 <Fray> Some people invest their luck in an object (their focus) and if it gets lost someone can useyour magic and even use it against you.
19/08/2008 20:38:46 <James Jacobs> yoda> Pathfinder 14 is scheduled to ship in September. #13 was the August release.
19/08/2008 20:38:49 <jmberaldo> Hey James. GenCon now in the past, what can you tell us poor foreigners who could not be around about the writing for paizo seminar?
19/08/2008 20:39:08 <Fray> jmberaldo> Hahahaha
19/08/2008 20:39:22 <James Jacobs> yoda> The modules have been hit hard by the "get everything on schedule" demon, alas. The next one, Chimera Cove, should be going out in September, I hope.
19/08/2008 20:39:39 <Justin Sluder> Daigle, linky?
19/08/2008 20:39:46 * Daigle still is in love with the name Chimera's Cove.
19/08/2008 20:39:48 * David quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 20:39:48 * David quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 20:39:55 <Daigle> Justin, sorry, private board.
19/08/2008 20:40:01 <greengrunt> Hi Urza
19/08/2008 20:40:04 <James Jacobs> Pygon> HA! I basically opened it to random pages several times and opened it wide enough so that the front and back covers were flush against each other. The binding took it!
19/08/2008 20:40:10 <Justin Sluder> ah, okay
19/08/2008 20:40:16 <Pygon> excellent
19/08/2008 20:40:18 <Fray> Daigle> then grab the pic and put it on image shack?
19/08/2008 20:40:28 <Urza> greengrunt, never actually left... the chat was just doing that blinking thing
19/08/2008 20:40:42 <greengrunt>
19/08/2008 20:40:46 <Daigle> I'm sure y'all can imagine a book with the pages pulled away from the cover.
19/08/2008 20:41:01 <Fray> ok... I guess we can
19/08/2008 20:41:04 <Urza> i'm waiting for all the serious questions for james to be gotten out of the way
19/08/2008 20:41:06 <James Jacobs> psymin> We've released a few hardcovers; Shackled city, Art of Dragon, Dragon Compendium. But the CS is the first with our current printer, and it LOOKS like they did a BANG up job. It opens flat, stays flat, and takes a beating. Hopefully we won't have a 1st edition UA on our hands!
19/08/2008 20:41:06 <Daigle>
19/08/2008 20:41:20 * Justin Sluder looks at his 3.0 PHB and DMG
19/08/2008 20:41:24 <greengrunt>
19/08/2008 20:41:31 <Justin Sluder> yeah, I can "imagine" that
19/08/2008 20:41:34 <Daigle> I dig that the book stays open when layed flat. That is awesome.
19/08/2008 20:42:11 <Justin Sluder> Urza, which question are you waiting for?
19/08/2008 20:42:14 <Rambling Scribe> I dig that the book has my name in the OGL declaration.
19/08/2008 20:42:22 <Daigle> That rocks too, Craig!
19/08/2008 20:42:30 <Daigle>
19/08/2008 20:42:31 <JonShade> Did you all get your Second Darkness Companion already?
19/08/2008 20:42:42 <Fray> I love my Dragon Compendium
19/08/2008 20:42:50 <greengrunt> Aye I did JS
19/08/2008 20:42:50 <Fray> I did
19/08/2008 20:42:57 <James Jacobs> jmberaldo> For writing for Paizo, step 1 is to keep an eye on paizo.com for open calls and contests like RPG superstar. Also, starting with Pathfinder #25, we'll be doing open calls for ALL the set piece adventures in Pathfinder. Beyond that... do your best to get published by other companies and keep posting on our boards and periodically email me to see if there are openings, for now...
19/08/2008 20:43:08 <Fray> Rambling Scribe> Pretty rad that is!
19/08/2008 20:43:09 <James Jacobs> ...we HOPE to have more details (such as writer's guidelines) up online by the end of the year.
19/08/2008 20:43:15 <Rambling Scribe> I picked up the companion at the Con.
19/08/2008 20:43:23 <Urza> Justin Sluder, can't give that away
19/08/2008 20:43:59 <Fray> We have serious questions?!?!?! Where??!????!
19/08/2008 20:44:08 <Urza> Fray, lol
19/08/2008 20:44:16 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, will the Player's Guide Pathfinder Companions be free to subscribers in the future? Or was Second Darkness a one time freebie?
19/08/2008 20:44:18 <Eyebite> OOh,...open calls for ALL the set pieces? How are you guys going to manage that? Insanity!
20:44:28 * cappadocius hms, and ponders an adventure set in Numeria, where the pregens are Thundarr, Ariel, and Ookla.
19/08/2008 20:44:31 <David> Fray, I think tthey are gathering dust over in the corner...
19/08/2008 20:44:32 <Fray> Anyone seen Freakazoid TV show?
19/08/2008 20:44:43 <jmberaldo> James> Thanks. I'm working on an english portfolio right know
19/08/2008 20:44:45 <Generalissimo Uzzy> Bad Cappa
19/08/2008 20:44:48 <cappadocius> Who HASN'T seen Freakzoid, Fray?
19/08/2008 20:44:48 <Fray> David> Nope that's my Earth dawn books
19/08/2008 20:44:55 <jmberaldo> cappa> hehehehe
19/08/2008 20:45:09 <cappadocius> It's remarkably easy to do.
19/08/2008 20:45:13 <Fray> cappadocius> It's cameoutof DVD!!! last week, 2 weeks
19/08/2008 20:45:14 <cappadocius> Ookla's the tricky one.
19/08/2008 20:45:27 <jmberaldo> Hes just a furry orc
19/08/2008 20:45:32 <cappadocius> But he's just a half-orc with one of the Worldwound feats.
19/08/2008 20:45:37 <Russ> Woohoo, I'll be submitted for the Open Call
19/08/2008 20:45:52 <Daigle> Eyebite, nail one of those when the time comes. Your stuff rocks!
19/08/2008 20:46:06 <Eyebite> I'll try to
19/08/2008 20:46:18 <Russ> James - I had been contacted by Mike Mearls for writing before the end, is Sean Reynolds who I should be checking with now? I elected to wait until Gencon craziness (and my work busy period) was over
19/08/2008 20:46:31 <James Jacobs> Justin> I don't know at this time. I suspect that the Second Darkness companion is a one time freebie, but I'm gonna TRY to get all of them to be freebies for the APs. We'll see.
19/08/2008 20:46:31 <Eyebite> But I think you're going to give me a run for my money Daigle
19/08/2008 20:46:46 <Daigle> Eyebite, I hope to
19/08/2008 20:46:49 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs,
19/08/2008 20:46:50 <Daigle>
19/08/2008 20:46:55 * Justin Sluder
19/08/2008 20:47:03 <James Jacobs> On the topic of the Pathfinder Companions, though... any topics you all would like to see us cover? The next few will cover: Elves, Osirion, Katapesh (Legacy of Fire player's guide), and Taldor.
19/08/2008 20:47:12 <Pygon> I hope so, a free "player guide" companion would be a big boon for each path, I think
19/08/2008 20:47:21 <James Jacobs> jmberaldo> Cool! Once it's done, email it my way!
19/08/2008 20:47:22 <Rambling Scribe> Irrisen!
19/08/2008 20:47:22 <Generalissimo Uzzy> Legends of Golarion.
19/08/2008 20:47:28 * JonShade can't wait for Osirion
19/08/2008 20:47:29 <Eyebite> OSIRION a million times Osirion
19/08/2008 20:47:38 <Fray> Daigle> I hear you're playing a Rogue/Cleric
19/08/2008 20:47:41 * Charles Evans joins Main
19/08/2008 20:47:42 <Ross> James Jacobs, dwarves!
19/08/2008 20:47:44 <Russ> Quadira
19/08/2008 20:47:47 <Generalissimo Uzzy> As in, Myths, Religious and otherwise. Legendary people, monsters.
19/08/2008 20:47:48 <Daigle> James, are you going to keep the Pactmasters a secret or can we expect y'all to shed a bit more light on them?
19/08/2008 20:47:55 <cappadocius> MOAR GNOMEZ PLZ
19/08/2008 20:48:05 <Daigle> Howdy Charles.
19/08/2008 20:48:10 <Justin Sluder> howdy Charles
19/08/2008 20:48:12 <jmberaldo> Nations around the Lake Encarthan (I know its cheating, but, hey!)
19/08/2008 20:48:13 <Generalissimo Uzzy> Throw in a few bardic tunes from Elaine Cunningham and it'll be great.
19/08/2008 20:48:13 <Ross> Since PF 25 goes tot he printer in june, when will the open call for #25 go out?
19/08/2008 20:48:15 <JonShade> Hi Charles
19/08/2008 20:48:20 <Russ> I'd like a sourcebook on non-standard PC races, tieflings, aasimar, orcs, hobgoblins...
19/08/2008 20:48:27 <Charles Evans> I taker it James Jacobs has issued the GenCon debrief by now?
19/08/2008 20:48:28 <greengrunt> JJ> I was hoping to God that somebody would answer the question about what exactly the Goroth Lodge in Verduran Wood was
19/08/2008 20:48:30 <Rambling Scribe> I have to say, gnomes have never been cool before. I love the bleaching.
19/08/2008 20:48:53 <James Jacobs> Russ> If by "Mike Mearls" you mean "Mike McArtor," of course... but you should probalby send the email my way initially, until we work out how all that stuff's gonna work. EVENTUALLY, I suspect Sean will be in charge of all the Chronicles products.
19/08/2008 20:48:56 <Eyebite> I would like a 12 month bloatmage bikini calendar
19/08/2008 20:49:00 <Russ> Ugh, yes
19/08/2008 20:49:00 <Fray> Rambling Scribe> Gnome mohawks rule!
20:49:08 <Russ> I'm sorry, I'm coming off an 18 hour work day
19/08/2008 20:49:14 <Daigle> I'd like to see articles that tie in people's normal lives into heroic elements. An example being something like what fray was talking about with birthday's being powerful, but maybe with zodiac or special days. Maybe even special locations, powersites etc.
19/08/2008 20:49:14 <cappadocius> Gnomes, Vudra, or Dinosaurs.
19/08/2008 20:49:18 <cappadocius> In that order.
19/08/2008 20:49:29 <James Jacobs> Myths and Legends actually sounds like a GREAT idea.
19/08/2008 20:49:35 <Generalissimo Uzzy> Yay!
19/08/2008 20:49:50 <Generalissimo Uzzy> Do that. I'll buy many.
19/08/2008 20:49:53 <Russ> Golarion martial arts would thrill me no end.
19/08/2008 20:49:59 <James Jacobs> Ross> Open Call for #25 will PROBABLY go out sometime around the end of the year.
19/08/2008 20:50:01 <Ross> James Jacobs, it's a good title aready, too.
19/08/2008 20:50:05 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, get in touch with Wolfgang and work up the Clockwork Acadame in Absalom, unless that's already being handled in the Absalom book.
19/08/2008 20:50:06 <JonShade> Good job, Generalissimo Uzzy, idea sparks...
19/08/2008 20:50:10 <jmberaldo> Oooh... Nations around the Eye of Abendego
19/08/2008 20:50:16 * Justin Sluder wants more construct goodness
19/08/2008 20:50:19 <James Jacobs> Russ> Non standard PC races sounds cool too.
19/08/2008 20:50:31 * cappadocius prepares to write some Orthodox Rovagugianism myths.
19/08/2008 20:50:31 <Ross> James Jacobs, yay! Open calls!
19/08/2008 20:50:39 <cappadocius> Gnomes are non standard!
19/08/2008 20:50:40 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: #25 will be Pathfinder RPG rules though, and people will not have had time to accimatise to the final versions of the rules by then to be able to write for it.
19/08/2008 20:50:43 <cappadocius> They're awesome!
19/08/2008 20:50:57 <Russ> And of course (as long as I've already asked for four books) how about Roleplaying in the Barbarous Lands (Linnoworms or Mammoths or Mwangi)
19/08/2008 20:50:59 <Charles Evans> acclimatise, even.
19/08/2008 20:51:13 <Rathendar> i'd have to throw my hat in with russ. i'd love to see a martial arts book/monk product
19/08/2008 20:51:58 <Charles Evans> James jacobs: Any chance of a book on flora of Golarion?
19/08/2008 20:51:59 <Eyebite> A book of short adventures would be killer
19/08/2008 20:52:01 <greengrunt> A Runelord sourcebook would be cool
19/08/2008 20:52:05 <jmberaldo> Charles> Well, a good story can came out no matter the game system
19/08/2008 20:52:10 <Justin Sluder> greengrunt, agreed
19/08/2008 20:52:14 <Daigle> Well, there is Bloodknuckle, underground Taldoran bareknuckle boxing.
19/08/2008 20:52:35 <James Jacobs> Charles> Yes; #25 will be RPG rules. Those we pick to write adventures will likely get early copies of the rules. In any event, part of what we editors get paid to do is make the rules right anyway.
19/08/2008 20:52:50 <Fray> James Jacobs> OOOO! Pick me!
19/08/2008 20:52:52 <Charles Evans>
19/08/2008 20:53:06 * Fray can't write or type well... but whatever
19/08/2008 20:53:11 * Timitius joins Main
19/08/2008 20:53:12 <Fray>
19/08/2008 20:53:14 <greengrunt> And an oliphaunt of Jandelray and other Golarian extraplanar nastiness would be awesome!! But that's a pipe dream I think
19/08/2008 20:53:17 <Daigle> Howdy Tim!
19/08/2008 20:53:20 <Pygon> good evening Tim
19/08/2008 20:53:23 * Deussu joins Main
19/08/2008 20:53:26 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, Fray and I are working together, so we'll both need copies
19/08/2008 20:53:30 <Fray> Yo Tim
19/08/2008 20:53:33 <Daigle> Howdy Deussu
19/08/2008 20:53:34 <JonShade> evenin' Tim and Deussu
19/08/2008 20:53:35 <James Jacobs> Charles> Not a whole book... but we'll often talk about Golarion flora in guidebooks and gazetteers and Pathfinder.
19/08/2008 20:53:35 <Justin Sluder> howdy Tim and Deussu
19/08/2008 20:53:39 <greengrunt> Hey Timitius
19/08/2008 20:53:47 <greengrunt> Hey Deussu
19/08/2008 20:53:48 * Fray agrees with Justin Sluder
19/08/2008 20:53:54 <Timitius> Sllllooooooow Looooooaaaad.
19/08/2008 20:53:59 <Charles Evans> James jacobs: oh, PF#11 finally arrived in the UK by the way.
19/08/2008 20:54:08 <Fray> daaaaaaaaaam
19/08/2008 20:54:16 <Fray> that took a we bit o time
19/08/2008 20:54:21 <Russ> I'm a huge fan of the variant critters in PF - great bang for the word count. The various sand lizards, forest cats, etc that use existing stats, possibly with a small tweak.
19/08/2008 20:54:23 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> Keep in mind that the Companions are player friendly. Something like runelords or monsters isn't a good topic for them.
19/08/2008 20:54:23 <JonShade> Timitius, "She" isn't here to manage it.
19/08/2008 20:54:27 <Eyebite> lag ugh
19/08/2008 20:54:42 <greengrunt> ..Ahh... okies
20:54:50 <cappadocius> Gnomes are an incredibly good Companion topic.
19/08/2008 20:55:02 <greengrunt> How about a book on pirates and seafaring races/classes for PCs??
19/08/2008 20:55:06 * IconoclasticScream quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 20:55:08 * Fray agrees with cappadocius
19/08/2008 20:55:15 <greengrunt> er..companion rather
19/08/2008 20:55:20 <Generalissimo Uzzy> Oh, you should also make a Pathfinder Wayfinder for people to buy, James.
19/08/2008 20:55:21 <Timitius> Heya, everyone! James Jacobs, how the HELL are you after rockin' the GenCon? WELL DONE!
19/08/2008 20:55:26 * JonShade agrees with greengrunt, that would be cool
19/08/2008 20:55:27 <Fray> greengrunt> Have you talked to Nick...?
19/08/2008 20:55:31 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> That's a pretty nifty topic.
19/08/2008 20:55:33 <Russ> Hmm....I prefer halflings, you can have a whole chapter of "footnotes"
19/08/2008 20:55:34 <psymin> Howdy Timitus
19/08/2008 20:55:35 <greengrunt> (getting carried away.. trying to reign myself in)
19/08/2008 20:55:42 <cappadocius> Pirates are so 2005.
19/08/2008 20:55:45 * psymin Russ.
19/08/2008 20:55:46 <James Jacobs> General> That'd be cool
19/08/2008 20:55:47 <Fray> Russ>
19/08/2008 20:56:11 <Russ> Oh my god! We have !
19/08/2008 20:56:11 <Ross> Russ,
19/08/2008 20:56:20 <Daigle> Uzzy, a wayfinder you could put a d20 in, instead of an ioun stone.
19/08/2008 20:56:21 <James Jacobs> OH! Would people be AT ALL interested in buying a SUPER DELUXE (think Ptolus) adventure? A SUPER FANCY mega-adventure? For about $500? I suspect no...
19/08/2008 20:56:22 <Fray> How about a book about Pathfinders on other worlds?
19/08/2008 20:56:23 <greengrunt> @Fray> alas Fray I have not spoken with Nick in many a moon
19/08/2008 20:56:31 <Russ> Yes.
19/08/2008 20:56:34 <Deussu> James: There are always buyers.
19/08/2008 20:56:37 <Russ> I will put 20% down today on it.
19/08/2008 20:56:37 <James Jacobs> Tim> Doing good! I think this may be the first Gen Con that didn't make me sick!
19/08/2008 20:56:38 <Daigle> James, would it come in a box?
19/08/2008 20:56:39 <greengrunt> @JJ
19/08/2008 20:56:42 <cappadocius> I'd buy a globe before I bought a mega adventure.
19/08/2008 20:56:43 <Pygon> for $500, um.. no.
19/08/2008 20:56:43 <Deussu> But it depends whether there are enough buyers.
19/08/2008 20:56:48 <cappadocius> I *would* buy Pathfinder box sets.
19/08/2008 20:56:59 <cappadocius> with maps and special dice and hand outs and stuff.
19/08/2008 20:57:06 <Ross> James Jacobs, would I be interested? Hell yes. Could I afford it? Heck no.
19/08/2008 20:57:06 <James Jacobs> Daigle> Dunno. I suspect it's a silly idea anyway.
19/08/2008 20:57:07 <Fray> cappadocius>OOOO! a pathfinder globe!!!
19/08/2008 20:57:11 <cappadocius> Remember the good ol' days of Box Sets?
19/08/2008 20:57:11 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: Depends what the subject matter is, and if it comes signed by all the aizo Staff (being presumably limited edition)
19/08/2008 20:57:12 <Eyebite> Daigle - that would be awesome! Maybe the d20 glows and the wayfinder has a light in it. Push of a button in the handle, the d20 is "popped" and rolled
19/08/2008 20:57:14 <greengrunt> JJ> You looked stress free in those pics on the Paizo website sir!
19/08/2008 20:57:19 <psymin> James Jacobs > if it came with a DM to run it, possibly
19/08/2008 20:57:20 <Charles Evans> (P)aizo
19/08/2008 20:57:23 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, $500!!!! What would it be?
19/08/2008 20:57:34 <cappadocius> Nick Logue in a box, Justin.
19/08/2008 20:57:36 <Timitius> James Jacobs, yes, I wondered if all the extremely high positives would nullify those negatives for you!
19/08/2008 20:57:42 <cappadocius> Very limited edition.
19/08/2008 20:57:45 <Deussu> cappadocius: hahaha
19/08/2008 20:57:47 <yoda8myhead> James Jacobs, mega adventure yes, $500 no
19/08/2008 20:57:56 <Fray> James Jacobs> It better do my laundry for $500
19/08/2008 20:57:58 <James Jacobs> Charles> If we did something crazy like a $500 book... it would be both VERY limited edition and would probably be signed by everyone involved.
19/08/2008 20:57:59 <Ross> I would however buiy a wayfinder I could slot a die in. It juist has to light up (as per the light spell.)
19/08/2008 20:58:00 <jmberaldo> Talking about the wayfinder.... how does it work? Im not sure if that is explained somewhere I didnt see yet. Does it point towards a specific item or location? Or something the pathfinder is not even sure of what is?
19/08/2008 20:58:07 <yoda8myhead> James Jacobs, I would buy the pdf
19/08/2008 20:58:15 <greengrunt> JJ> Oh please do a Red Hand of Doom for Golarion!! That would rock!
19/08/2008 20:58:17 <Russ> Do it!
19/08/2008 20:58:17 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, even the warehouse staff?
19/08/2008 20:58:21 <Daigle> You could do it OD style.
19/08/2008 20:58:26 <Russ> I will buy TWO copies if it helps with the greenlighting!
19/08/2008 20:58:27 <James Jacobs> Justin> Probably.
19/08/2008 20:58:39 <Justin Sluder> sweet
19/08/2008 20:58:46 <Pygon> yeesh - $500 for a collector's item... gah. no fair!
19/08/2008 20:59:06 <cappadocius> Seriously, I miss boxed sets.
19/08/2008 20:59:10 * Justin Sluder is still saving to move and hopefully be a Paizo Warehouse Monkey
19/08/2008 20:59:11 <James Jacobs> I do too.
19/08/2008 20:59:25 <Fray> greengrunt> I hear they're doing Orange Fist of Mayhem
19/08/2008 20:59:34 <James Jacobs> But boxed sets are just TOO expensive to make. Word has it, for example, that every copy of Birthright sold cost TSR about 5 bucks.
19/08/2008 20:59:46 <cappadocius> *cost* them 5 bucks??
19/08/2008 20:59:49 <greengrunt> JJ> Have you checked out that new boxed RPG 'Prophecy?'
19/08/2008 20:59:57 <greengrunt> @ Fray
19/08/2008 21:00:02 <James Jacobs> As in they lost about 5 bucks per boxed set tyhey sold.
19/08/2008 21:00:05 <David> ouch
19/08/2008 21:00:12 <cappadocius> dag, yo.
19/08/2008 21:00:13 <Justin Sluder>
19/08/2008 21:00:16 <Daigle> On the Atomic Array podcast they....oh, greengrunt scooped me
19/08/2008 21:00:22 <Eyebite> Wow
19/08/2008 21:00:26 <Ross> James Jacobs, wouldn't that mean they lost more ont he ones that didn't sell?
19/08/2008 21:00:33 <James Jacobs> I've worked with the math guys here at Paizo several times... and I doubt we could do a boxed set for anything less than a MSRP of a few hundred bucks.
19/08/2008 21:00:39 <James Jacobs> Ross> Yup.
19/08/2008 21:00:39 <Ross> Did the distributors make money at least?
21:00:52 <James Jacobs> I don't know.
19/08/2008 21:00:54 <Charles Evans> are cardboard boxes truly that expensive?
19/08/2008 21:00:55 <James Jacobs> I doubt it.
19/08/2008 21:00:56 <psymin> distributors always make money don't they?
19/08/2008 21:01:06 <Hill Giant> James Jacobs, what makes it so expensive?
19/08/2008 21:01:07 <Pygon> boy I'd hate to miss out on that if it happens.
19/08/2008 21:01:11 <Charles Evans> Or is it the packaging them up which is so tricky?
19/08/2008 21:01:14 <Deussu> Hm, I have to go to work now, but I'll be back in 30 minutes or so.
19/08/2008 21:01:15 <James Jacobs> It's not the cardboard boxes, as much as it is the fact that there are so many components inside.
19/08/2008 21:01:36 <Generalissimo Uzzy> James, buy the rights for a Ptolus conversion to Pathfinder. Much cheaper.
19/08/2008 21:01:36 <cappadocius> which is what, of course, made them cool.
19/08/2008 21:01:42 <James Jacobs> For a single book... there's one process in one place. For a boxed set, you have MANY different elements, many that don't happen in the same place.
19/08/2008 21:02:07 <Charles Evans> Hmmm. I know dragon mountain came with little press-out counters, a number of spoter maps, and little stands to put the character press-outs on.
19/08/2008 21:02:08 <Ross> James Jacobs, you guys made the Treasure chest. That was sort of a box set.
19/08/2008 21:02:09 <Timitius> So, are you saying that the multitude of boxed sets I bought in the 80s contributed to the demise of TSR?
19/08/2008 21:02:09 <James Jacobs> And on top of that... you can't really shelve a boxed set on bookshelves easilly.
19/08/2008 21:02:14 * psymin imagines a boxed set of Burnt Offerings ..
19/08/2008 21:02:18 <James Jacobs> They don't fit in most store bookshelves.
19/08/2008 21:02:21 <yoda8myhead> did Paizo not make money on Treasure Chest?
19/08/2008 21:02:21 <Fray> The assembly of a boxed set is costly
19/08/2008 21:02:27 * Deussu quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 21:02:34 <cappadocius> I bet WotC could, if they could use some of Hasbro's vast resources, make cost-effective boxed sets.
19/08/2008 21:02:46 <greengrunt> Holy crap... Good evening Charles Evans (blinked my eyes and he's there)
19/08/2008 21:02:50 <cappadocius> Oh!
19/08/2008 21:02:51 <James Jacobs> Ross> It was indeed. It was also composed of different components we had already made and paid for. And it wasn't a big success for us either.
19/08/2008 21:03:00 <Timitius> Sure....3 words. MADE IN CHINA.
19/08/2008 21:03:02 <cappadocius> Mr. Jacobs, are we getting any new Plants from Paizo soon?
19/08/2008 21:03:03 <James Jacobs> Making a boxed set of All New content? $$$$$$
19/08/2008 21:03:21 <James Jacobs> Cappa> The only plant I know and care about at Paizo is the venus flytrap on my shelf!
19/08/2008 21:03:32 <James Jacobs> THAT SAID: There IS a new plant monster in Pathfinder #14.
19/08/2008 21:03:34 <psymin> I would have bought the treasure chest, but I didn't need the duplication of goods I'd already purchased.
19/08/2008 21:03:40 <David> cool
19/08/2008 21:03:41 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, I snagged one of those earlier tonight.
19/08/2008 21:03:47 <cappadocius> Your one little Wooden Protector is so lonely.
19/08/2008 21:03:54 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: Yet people (such as FFG) manufacture and sell board-games such as The Arkham Horror which come with a rules book, a board, sheet of printed counters/monsters, and (in the case of the latest expansion) nifty little stands for investigators with the FFG logo on them.
19/08/2008 21:03:57 <Ross> James Jacobs, flytraps, lizards, you just like things that eat bugs, don't you?
19/08/2008 21:04:02 <James Jacobs> cappa> I don't think WotC could, actually. If they could... they would have done so already.
19/08/2008 21:04:30 <James Jacobs> Psymin> And that's the problem. We couldn't have afforded to do a boxed set if they DIDN'T duplicate the majority of the contents.
19/08/2008 21:04:42 <greengrunt> JJ> I noticed there's a critter in PF13 that is not described.. the pic is on pg. 43??
19/08/2008 21:04:58 <cappadocius> I dunno. Normally, I'd agree, but I don't know what lunatic is in charge over there. All I do know is they seem intent on running the brand into the ground.
19/08/2008 21:05:15 <James Jacobs> Charles> Board Games are an entirely different beast than RPG boxed sets. They sell to a different crowd. Paizo's done several board games, in fact.
19/08/2008 21:05:24 <yoda8myhead> James, please do no products over $100. Anything more than that would be completely out of most people's price range, and all the superscriber completionists would be mad
19/08/2008 21:05:26 <cappadocius> greengrunt: I believe that's the Deadline Monster.
19/08/2008 21:05:27 <Charles Evans> I would think a boxed set could be done for maybe double the cost of a board game.... about $180?
19/08/2008 21:05:29 <cappadocius> It got cut for being lame.
19/08/2008 21:05:38 <Charles Evans> A decent boardgame I mean.
19/08/2008 21:05:43 <psymin> I certainly would have bought a boxed set of enough item cards to run a 4 player game though.
19/08/2008 21:05:48 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> What critter was that?
19/08/2008 21:06:05 <Justin Sluder> yoda8myhead, I wouldn't be mad. I'd be broke (nothing new), but not mad.
19/08/2008 21:06:09 <cappadocius> Wasn't 13 the one that had the Deadline Monster, James?
19/08/2008 21:06:11 <greengrunt> Well... crap! It's a worm thingie with tentacles that end in glowing red balls
19/08/2008 21:06:21 <cappadocius> oh, uh, no. That can't be it.
19/08/2008 21:06:23 <cappadocius> hm.
19/08/2008 21:06:23 <James Jacobs> Yoda> A boxed set would, I GUARENTEE, be over 100 bucks.
19/08/2008 21:06:28 <James Jacobs> Cappa> That was a grick.
19/08/2008 21:06:28 <greengrunt> And a beak with ... slobber??
19/08/2008 21:06:34 <cappadocius> Sounds l... yes.
19/08/2008 21:06:36 <cappadocius> a Grick.
19/08/2008 21:06:37 <James Jacobs> SRD.
19/08/2008 21:06:41 <James Jacobs> Monster Manual.
19/08/2008 21:06:41 <yoda8myhead> then no boxed sets. I don't mind single books
19/08/2008 21:06:44 <cappadocius> I haven't read 13 yet!
19/08/2008 21:06:44 <Russ> WotC does some boxed sets. The D&D Game (not the European one) being the last, I think. But they don't seem to have done well.
19/08/2008 21:06:45 * Samwise joins Main
19/08/2008 21:06:47 <James Jacobs> We just made it different colored.
19/08/2008 21:06:48 <jmberaldo> Talking about Madei n China... How can printing books across the world be less expensive than on a nearby printer? Is it really THAT less expensive then printing in the US?
19/08/2008 21:07:10 <James Jacobs> Cappa> #10 had the monster that got cut.
19/08/2008 21:07:10 <Pygon> hi Sam
19/08/2008 21:07:07 <Daigle> That's a huge grick.
19/08/2008 21:07:11 <yoda8myhead> Russ, I bought both of the boxed sets, cause of the "free" minis
19/08/2008 21:07:15 <cappadocius> Right!
19/08/2008 21:07:17 <James Jacobs> Daigle> It's also fighting a gnome...
19/08/2008 21:07:18 <greengrunt> So that red bally thingie is... a grick??
19/08/2008 21:07:25 <Charles Evans> jmberaldo: exchange rates.
19/08/2008 21:07:25 <cappadocius> Yes. A Grick.
19/08/2008 21:07:27 <James Jacobs> An aquatic grick, yes.
21:07:29 <Daigle> Good point
19/08/2008 21:07:30 <psymin> Daigle > someone must have responded to an email about grick size
19/08/2008 21:07:40 <Samwise> hi
19/08/2008 21:07:45 <Daigle> Howdy Sam
19/08/2008 21:07:51 <cappadocius> Gricks are part of the Illithid ecology in my CS.
19/08/2008 21:08:01 * cappadocius wonders about Gricks in Golarion.
19/08/2008 21:08:02 <greengrunt> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Very interestink! Hey Samwise
19/08/2008 21:08:02 <James Jacobs> Which is part of the problem about illustrating gnomes and halflings, of course, because they throw off scaling so easilly.
19/08/2008 21:08:06 <Fray> jmberaldo> yes, it can be. It has a lot to do with the labor costs and tariffs on raw paper
19/08/2008 21:08:18 <Daigle> I think people don't use grells enough.
19/08/2008 21:08:20 <Generalissimo Uzzy> James, any chance of a Pathfinder Artbook being made anytime?
19/08/2008 21:08:28 <greengrunt> I could tell it was the iconic in that pic James
19/08/2008 21:08:30 <Hill Giant> I love Grells
19/08/2008 21:08:33 <James Jacobs> I'd LOVE to use grells... but alas, we can't.
19/08/2008 21:08:39 <Hill Giant> Don't use them that often, tho
19/08/2008 21:08:45 <greengrunt> That's... balls
19/08/2008 21:08:50 <Russ> Fray - plus if they use a boat for the return shipping, it is cheap
19/08/2008 21:08:50 <James Jacobs> Uzzy> Not anytime soon, but Eventually? Sure!
19/08/2008 21:08:51 <Daigle> My group since HS used to call them parakeet brain squids
19/08/2008 21:08:53 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: I take it Linnorms are open content?
19/08/2008 21:09:03 <cappadocius> Linnorms are folklore.
19/08/2008 21:09:05 <Charles Evans> Given their Norweigian roots.
19/08/2008 21:09:11 <Fray> Russ> Ture! I forgot about that...
19/08/2008 21:09:12 <James Jacobs> Charles> The MM2 ones are not. But the concept is. We'll be making some up eventually.
19/08/2008 21:09:13 <Justin Sluder> we should petition WotC to make their 3.5 library OGC
19/08/2008 21:09:21 <psymin> I wish there there ultra map folios, which had all important maps printed at a 1" -> 5' scale
19/08/2008 21:09:23 <Daigle> I can't believe I never noticed grells were closed.
19/08/2008 21:09:24 <Generalissimo Uzzy> Woot. I'd love an artbook.
19/08/2008 21:09:29 <Justin Sluder> they're not using it anymore, so what would it matter to them
19/08/2008 21:09:36 * Daigle is suddenly sad.
19/08/2008 21:09:38 <yoda8myhead> Justin Sluder, never gonna happen
19/08/2008 21:09:40 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: Admittedly not the precise stat-blocks featured in MM2, but the concept, at least, of linnorms being open content?
19/08/2008 21:09:52 <Fray> When we made Firestorm we actually found a local printer, but they used mostly illegals so the labor was really cheap, otherwise we would have printed it outside the US.
19/08/2008 21:09:52 <Hill Giant> Fun grell trick - make their lightning rods zap the weilder too
19/08/2008 21:09:53 <Justin Sluder> yoda8myhead, I know
19/08/2008 21:09:53 <Charles Evans> Ah. Ninjaed.
19/08/2008 21:10:03 <cappadocius> Folklore is by definition open content!
19/08/2008 21:10:07 <James Jacobs> Charles> Linnorms are mythological. They're as open as medusas and goblins and elves and the chupecabra.
19/08/2008 21:10:15 <James Jacobs> Even if you misspell it.
19/08/2008 21:10:26 <yoda8myhead> when do we get a chupecabra
19/08/2008 21:10:29 <Justin Sluder> chupecablahblah!!
19/08/2008 21:10:29 <yoda8myhead> ?
19/08/2008 21:10:32 <Daigle> James, how do you feel about the latest bigfoot hoax?
19/08/2008 21:10:38 <cappadocius> chupacabra, people!
19/08/2008 21:10:43 <Pygon> I knew someone was going to want a chupecabra...
19/08/2008 21:10:49 <cappadocius> CHUPA
19/08/2008 21:10:54 <cappadocius> It's SPANISH.
19/08/2008 21:10:56 <greengrunt> JJ> That reminds me of a chupecabra movie with John Rhys Davies in it... On an ocean liner.. God what I saw of it was crap!
19/08/2008 21:10:59 * Russ doesn't get all the goatsucker love
19/08/2008 21:11:01 <Justin Sluder> cappacablahblah!!
19/08/2008 21:11:05 <yoda8myhead> don't speak that language, cappa
19/08/2008 21:11:06 <Daigle> Man, those things are all over Texas these days.
19/08/2008 21:11:16 <jmberaldo> dear god... I look back into the channel and cappa is yelling "SUCK IT!" im portuguese
19/08/2008 21:11:17 <cappadocius> I will kill every one of you.
19/08/2008 21:11:20 <Fray> greengrunt> I saw that! ug!
19/08/2008 21:11:27 <jmberaldo> or spanish.. same deal here
19/08/2008 21:11:32 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 21:11:32 <psymin> Daigle > bigfoot or chupEabra?
19/08/2008 21:11:33 <Daigle> Why ceppedocious?
19/08/2008 21:11:42 * cappadocius stabs Daigle to death.
19/08/2008 21:11:44 <Daigle> chupacabras
19/08/2008 21:11:49 <cappadocius> So, anyway. Gnomes.
19/08/2008 21:11:49 <Daigle>
19/08/2008 21:11:50 * Justin Sluder hands cappa a .................blade first
19/08/2008 21:11:51 <cappadocius> MOAR PLZ.
19/08/2008 21:11:52 <James Jacobs> yoda> There's a chupecabra in Tome of Horrors 3, I believe.
19/08/2008 21:12:12 <James Jacobs> We might do one some day, though. Our next big cryptid is gonna be mothman.
19/08/2008 21:12:13 <Fray> dude! spanglish.com! just like engrish.com! oooo! I need to register that!!!
19/08/2008 21:12:17 * Eyebite changes his/her nickname to Eyebite is Dinnerin' Himself
19/08/2008 21:12:17 <jmberaldo> I know adbicate of typing until I leave, for my brain has melted and I can't type correctly
19/08/2008 21:12:20 <cappadocius> Yay Mothman!
19/08/2008 21:12:24 <Russ> If they do a Companion on gnomes, it should be half-off
19/08/2008 21:12:27 <James Jacobs> Daigle> It's a pretty interesting one! Haven't read up much on it yet.
19/08/2008 21:12:29 <cappadocius> Ultraterrestrials!
19/08/2008 21:12:37 <greengrunt> @Russ
19/08/2008 21:12:42 <psymin> Fray > taken
19/08/2008 21:12:45 <Fray> Russ
19/08/2008 21:12:48 * cappadocius wonders what the next Mythos critter'll be.
19/08/2008 21:12:52 <Fray> psymin
19/08/2008 21:12:53 <Daigle> The DNA results came out today.
19/08/2008 21:12:53 <Samwise> grells have cr issues when they can full attack
19/08/2008 21:13:01 <Daigle> Human and possum.
19/08/2008 21:13:04 <Fray> Daigle> I"m not the father!!!
19/08/2008 21:13:12 <Fray> :whew!:
19/08/2008 21:13:13 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, everyone, how much interest is there for a First World product?
19/08/2008 21:13:16 <Pygon> Daigle - good god.
19/08/2008 21:13:24 <Russ> More specifically, the rubber foot came out today
19/08/2008 21:13:24 <James Jacobs> Cappa> We've got no Mythos creatures on the schedule yet... but there's some mi-go love in the latest Kobold Quarterly!
19/08/2008 21:13:27 <cappadocius> I'd buy one.
19/08/2008 21:13:29 <greengrunt> First World??
19/08/2008 21:13:34 <cappadocius> James: They've got no stats!
19/08/2008 21:13:43 <cappadocius> I mean, I have d20 Cthulhu, so it's no problem for me.
19/08/2008 21:13:45 <James Jacobs> cappa> True, but theyr'e in there!
19/08/2008 21:13:45 <cappadocius> but still!
19/08/2008 21:13:48 <Justin Sluder> greengrunt, Fey Land
19/08/2008 21:13:51 <Ross> James Jacobs, which cryptids has PF done to date? I know the Snadpoint devil and the Yetis.
19/08/2008 21:13:56 <greengrunt> JJ> Is KQ sticking with 3.5 ... OGL stuff??
19/08/2008 21:14:01 <Hill Giant> mi-go love"
19/08/2008 21:14:02 <James Jacobs> Yetis were from Tome of Horrors.
19/08/2008 21:14:04 <Timitius> Daigle, had a conversation here with your lady whilst you were "drunk and laying in a bathroom" at GenCon.
19/08/2008 21:14:08 <Hill Giant> "mi-go love"? eww
19/08/2008 21:14:23 <Daigle> She told me!
19/08/2008 21:14:34 <Daigle> ..and for the record, she was picking on me with that.
19/08/2008 21:14:37 <Rambling Scribe> I thought yetis were from Yetisburg...
19/08/2008 21:14:39 <James Jacobs> We haven't done many cryptids yet, in any case. The Mother of All from #4 is a lake monster, though; that counts.
19/08/2008 21:14:53 <Ross> James Jacobs, PF Yetis weren't 'by the book'. They were advanced, so I'm counting them as PF monsters.
19/08/2008 21:15:07 <James Jacobs> Also? The yeti art was the Best.
19/08/2008 21:15:17 <Ross> James Jacobs, yes. Yes it was.
19/08/2008 21:15:22 <Timitius> Daigle, I hope that you two can come back out here sometime. It'd be great to meet.
21:15:44 <Ross> So all the cryptids were in RotRL, none in CotCT?
19/08/2008 21:15:45 <Daigle> I agree! Too bad the timing doesn't work out this spring.
19/08/2008 21:15:54 * Skeld quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 21:15:54 * Skeld quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 21:15:56 <Timitius> Of course, if I ever get to Texas again.....
19/08/2008 21:16:03 <James Jacobs> Ross> I think so. Devilfish were SORT of cryptids, I suppose...
19/08/2008 21:16:03 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, by "The Mother of All from #4" do you mean the Mother of Oblivion from Hook Mountain Massacre?
19/08/2008 21:16:05 <Russ> There is now a comic book based on cryptozoology
19/08/2008 21:16:12 <Russ> "Cryptozooey", for kids
19/08/2008 21:16:17 <Daigle> Tim, if you do, Austin is the place!
19/08/2008 21:16:19 <James Jacobs> Justin> Yeah; that's the one. I'm not sure where I was getting "Mother of All" from...
19/08/2008 21:16:27 <psymin> so, is now a good time to start nagging Paizo to send a rep to a con in May 2009?
19/08/2008 21:16:33 <James Jacobs> We were gonna do globsters at one point too.
19/08/2008 21:16:36 <Russ> Hmm, was she in Savage Tide in the sargossa sea?
19/08/2008 21:16:40 <James Jacobs> psymin> What con was that?
19/08/2008 21:16:43 * Generalissimo Uzzy quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 21:16:45 <James Jacobs> Russ> RIGHT! That's right!
19/08/2008 21:16:53 <Timitius> Daigle, I've got a sis-in-law in San Antonio.
19/08/2008 21:16:56 * Charles Evans times out.....
19/08/2008 21:16:57 <Russ> SargAsso
19/08/2008 21:16:59 <psymin> MisCon, tiny con in Missoula Montana
19/08/2008 21:17:04 <James Jacobs> WEEED of deciet
19/08/2008 21:17:05 <Daigle> Tim, ah, sweet.
19/08/2008 21:17:11 <Russ>
19/08/2008 21:17:14 <Daigle> That's close enough.
19/08/2008 21:17:48 * Justin Sluder used to live in San Antonio
19/08/2008 21:17:52 <James Jacobs> Psymin> I suspect that's one that we won't be able to make it to, alas. For the most part, our budget for sending folk to Cons is pretty limited. Gen Con's the only one we really go to in any large numbers.
19/08/2008 21:17:59 <Timitius> I can guarantee that Paizo people will be at Norwescon...and PaizoCon.
19/08/2008 21:18:04 * psymin nods.
19/08/2008 21:18:21 <psymin> Paizocon is April 26ish?
19/08/2008 21:18:28 <Pygon> James - speaking of which - who is all heading out to GenCon UK?
19/08/2008 21:18:34 <Timitius> April 24-26.
19/08/2008 21:18:59 <Charles Evans> Timitius: Do Paizo need high travel expenses to attend cons on their own doorstep though? Especially with the latest hamster-weel contraption the PostMonster General is building to be cosmo-powered?
19/08/2008 21:19:02 <Ross> James Jacobs, which cryptid was the devilfish?
19/08/2008 21:19:33 <Charles Evans> Pygon: i think I've seen Bulmahn, Frost, Mona, and Logue mentioned.
19/08/2008 21:19:52 <James Jacobs> Pygon> We'll be sending Erik Mona, Jason Bulmahn, and Josh Frost to Gen Con UK.
19/08/2008 21:20:02 <Pygon> thanks
19/08/2008 21:20:08 <Charles Evans> Ah, Logue has been cancelled then.
19/08/2008 21:20:12 <James Jacobs> Ross> The giant octopus. Which isn't really a cryptid...
19/08/2008 21:20:14 <Timitius> Charles Evans, I think all that budget goes to Erik's travels. He's got to avoid home, and the screaming baby next door.
19/08/2008 21:20:22 <James Jacobs> OH! No... Logue will be there too.
19/08/2008 21:20:37 <psymin> (is logue still an employee?)
19/08/2008 21:20:41 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: HOW COULD YOU FORGET ICK LOGUE????
19/08/2008 21:20:45 <Timitius> And Logue will be staying, too?
19/08/2008 21:20:46 <James Jacobs> Erik's home for a total of 11 (non-consecutive) days this month.
19/08/2008 21:20:53 <Charles Evans> (N)ick Logue
19/08/2008 21:20:58 * Skeld quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 21:21:02 <Russ> Alas, poor Erik
19/08/2008 21:21:09 <James Jacobs> Charles> Nick's an employee, I believe, through the end of Gen Con UK, and then he's off on some crazy adventures!
19/08/2008 21:21:11 * Daigle giggles at "Ick Logue"
19/08/2008 21:21:18 <Timitius> Ick Logue! HA!
19/08/2008 21:21:27 <James Jacobs> I approve of "Ick Logue."
19/08/2008 21:21:39 <Charles Evans> That one might actually support the theory of freudian slips.
19/08/2008 21:21:45 <Timitius> Better than WTF???? Logue.
19/08/2008 21:21:52 <greengrunt>
19/08/2008 21:21:57 <Justin Sluder>
19/08/2008 21:22:13 <Charles Evans> james jacobs: Is he dragging his wife off on these crazy adventures and will he be blogging them?
19/08/2008 21:22:36 <Justin Sluder> sidetrek: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obi...i_moore
19/08/2008 21:22:51 <James Jacobs> Charles> Yup! I don't know how much of his crazy adventures are meant to be public, though.
19/08/2008 21:23:00 <James Jacobs> That's Nick's tale to tell.
19/08/2008 21:23:13 <Timitius> HEY! What Logue does with his wife, blogging or whatever, is PRIVATE.
19/08/2008 21:23:20 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: He won't be able to resist posting details.
19/08/2008 21:23:27 <psymin> he'll probably write something on his weblogue
19/08/2008 21:23:46 <Rathendar> so you don't know if hes taking the england job james? hed mentioned that before
19/08/2008 21:23:46 <Russ> Nick "Paizo employees may not use the word cockpunch on the boards" Logue
19/08/2008 21:23:50 <Justin Sluder> last I heard he's been offered a "dream job" in the UK
19/08/2008 21:23:52 <Fray> Well... as private as things can be at thoseSwingers parties
19/08/2008 21:23:57 <Charles Evans> I think Nick must get twitchy fingers if he goes longer than eight hours without writing something.
19/08/2008 21:24:19 <Timitius> Oh..heh, heh. Read that as blogging his wife.....
19/08/2008 21:24:35 * Fray changes his/her nickname to going to Starbuck for the wife
19/08/2008 21:24:45 <James Jacobs> Rathendar> I know a fair amount of what's going on with Nick. I'm just not into telling other folk's stories!
19/08/2008 21:24:47 <Hill Giant> Russ, that's why we have empoticons:
19/08/2008 21:24:52 * going to Starbuck for the wife changes his/her nickname to going to Starbucks for the wif
19/08/2008 21:25:00 <James Jacobs> But yeah; he got a pretty awesome UK job.
19/08/2008 21:25:14 <jmberaldo> Alright. Its getting late and Im on the verge of falling asleep over the keyboard
19/08/2008 21:25:16 <Pygon> good for him
19/08/2008 21:25:18 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: You're not into telling other folk's stories but you write RPG products????
19/08/2008 21:25:30 <David> we have the smiley now? cool!
19/08/2008 21:25:30 <going to Starbucks for the wif> going to Starbucks for wife
19/08/2008 21:25:32 <Daigle> Other REAL people's stories.
19/08/2008 21:25:36 <Justin Sluder> only reason I say that is because he told us here in the chat some time ago I believe.
19/08/2008 21:25:38 <Charles Evans> Ah, I forgot you usually edit these days...
19/08/2008 21:25:38 <going to Starbucks for the wif> dammin
19/08/2008 21:25:40 <jmberaldo> tomorrow Ill be testing PRPG Beta with CotCT after work
19/08/2008 21:25:40 <psymin> Charles Evans > Maybe if its true stores it'd be plagerism ?
19/08/2008 21:25:41 <Pygon> sigh, semantics
19/08/2008 21:25:41 <Daigle> Are you really Fray?
19/08/2008 21:25:46 <Pygon> goodnight jmb
19/08/2008 21:25:46 <greengrunt> gggaaahh..my Net is acting funky
19/08/2008 21:25:49 <going to Starbucks for the wif> back in a bit...
19/08/2008 21:25:52 <Hill Giant> Nick isn't a real person, is he?
19/08/2008 21:26:04 * going to Starbucks for the wif can't f'n!!!! type
19/08/2008 21:26:07 <Daigle> I hope so.
19/08/2008 21:26:09 <greengrunt> Oh Nick is real.. I've seen him
19/08/2008 21:26:13 <Rathendar> ok james, thank ya there )
19/08/2008 21:26:22 <Charles Evans> Hill iant: I'm fairly certain a werecabbage explained to me that Ephealy was the rogue AI.
21:26:37 <James Jacobs> Nick's stories about ICY DEATH had me in stitches at the airport after Gen Con, btw.
19/08/2008 21:26:41 <Charles Evans> sorry, rogue military AI.
19/08/2008 21:27:06 <Daigle> My theory was shattered last week when I finally got to talk to Ed in person.
19/08/2008 21:27:13 <Rambling Scribe> Nick's stories about icy death?
19/08/2008 21:27:17 <Timitius> No...Ed is real too.
19/08/2008 21:27:18 <Daigle> I still think it might have been a hologram.
19/08/2008 21:27:19 <greengrunt> JJ> What do you listen to the most on your iPod?
19/08/2008 21:27:38 * Russ is real. Sometimes.
19/08/2008 21:27:39 <Rambling Scribe> It was weird meeting Ed after the rumours of his untimely demise...
19/08/2008 21:27:44 <Justin Sluder> Daigle, theory?
19/08/2008 21:27:51 <Charles Evans> Daigle: Weren't 60 years of the hologram being celebrated this year?
19/08/2008 21:27:58 <Daigle> Craig, that too.
19/08/2008 21:28:11 <Charles Evans> Daigle: I heard about an exhibition they were holding in Rugby (UK town about Holograms.
19/08/2008 21:28:13 <psymin> psst Daigle, who is Craig?
19/08/2008 21:28:22 <Daigle> Scribe.
19/08/2008 21:28:22 <Rambling Scribe> I am Craig
19/08/2008 21:28:24 <Justin Sluder> psymin, Rambling Scribe
19/08/2008 21:28:25 * jmberaldo quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 21:28:28 <Charles Evans> Sorry, (UK town)
19/08/2008 21:28:28 <psymin> gotcha
19/08/2008 21:28:35 <Daigle> Rambling Scribe = Craig Shackleton
19/08/2008 21:28:41 <Timitius> He is Craig!
19/08/2008 21:28:44 <Ross> I am spartacus?
19/08/2008 21:29:01 <greengrunt> No... I am Spartacus!
19/08/2008 21:29:01 <Urza> Ok James... prepare yourself for the bizarre.. but it's gotta be asked... there's a rumor going around that you "did things" to your campaign setting "that would 'void the warrant'... did the CS go down your pants?
19/08/2008 21:29:05 <Charles Evans> Wasn't Shackleton someone who went to the Antarctic?
19/08/2008 21:29:18 <Rathendar> that was asked urza )
19/08/2008 21:29:36 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> Lately it's been the "This Week in Tech" podcast and the audio book of "The Relic." For music, lately; a mix of Nine Inch Nails, Dark Knight soundtrack, Dario Argento movie soundtracks, and other various soundtracks. Dead Can Dance and Pink Floyd are never far away...
19/08/2008 21:29:41 <Rambling Scribe> CE: Yes he was.
19/08/2008 21:29:42 <Urza> was it? BAH!
19/08/2008 21:29:59 <greengrunt> JJ> Interesting mix
19/08/2008 21:30:05 <Urza> i musta missed the answer when it farted for me
19/08/2008 21:30:06 <James Jacobs> HA! Didn't take long for the Spartacus to show up!
19/08/2008 21:30:08 * cappadocius quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 21:30:08 <psymin> Urza > Want the youtube URL?
19/08/2008 21:30:09 <Timitius> To whatever James Jacobs may reply to Urza's question: LALALALALALALAALALALALALA...I can't hear you !!!
19/08/2008 21:30:32 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: I recently read The Horro at Red Hook, and I thought the latter part was rather a disappointment (almost a rush job?) after a nice buildup.
19/08/2008 21:30:35 <James Jacobs> Urza> My pants were not involved. This time.
19/08/2008 21:30:54 <James Jacobs> I basically folded the book back so the front and back covers were flush against each other several times in an attempt to break the spine. I failed to do so.
19/08/2008 21:31:01 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: I felt it didn't really justify Malone's phobia of brick houses.
19/08/2008 21:31:03 <Urza> bah! then the warranty truely wasn't voided!
19/08/2008 21:31:07 <Rambling Scribe> So you're saying you weren't wearing pants?
19/08/2008 21:31:13 <greengrunt> JJ> Are there any products that are coming up which feature more of talents as a gaming writer for Paizo??
19/08/2008 21:31:36 <yoda8myhead> James Jacobs, I heard the recording of the AP preview conference at GenCon, and for the record, it was my suggestion to do historical Golarion fiction.
19/08/2008 21:31:36 <greengrunt> jj> I mean.. more of your talent
19/08/2008 21:31:38 <James Jacobs> Charles> Red Hook is one of my least favorite Lovecraft stories. He wrote it during a bad time, when he was living in New York and hating it.
21:31:47 <James Jacobs> Pants are for the week.
19/08/2008 21:31:51 <James Jacobs> WEAK even.
19/08/2008 21:31:54 <yoda8myhead> And I have lots of ideas if you're looking for some short stories
19/08/2008 21:31:54 <James Jacobs> Both even .
19/08/2008 21:32:08 <Rathendar> 7 day old pants that you don't wear? seems contradictory
19/08/2008 21:32:08 <David> James Jacobs, whats next week then?
19/08/2008 21:32:13 <Rambling Scribe>
19/08/2008 21:32:16 <Timitius> No pants on weekends. Lying around, commando.
19/08/2008 21:32:20 <Charles Evans> yoda: Jmberaldo is already writing Golarion fiction.
19/08/2008 21:32:25 <David> hopefully more pants
19/08/2008 21:32:31 <greengrunt> "All I need is a decent pair of pants!!"
19/08/2008 21:32:33 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, when will we get to see the Pathfinder Cosplay?
19/08/2008 21:32:33 <Pygon> kilts are coming back
19/08/2008 21:32:34 <David> or shorts
19/08/2008 21:32:37 <Daigle> Does this hint at kilts?
19/08/2008 21:32:48 <James Jacobs> Greengrunt> Into the Darklands is half by me (the other half's by Greg Vaughan). I'm also going to write an article about demon lords for Pathfinder #18, and the adventure for Pathfinder #19.
19/08/2008 21:33:02 <Rambling Scribe> I heard Tim Hitchcock wears a kilt....
19/08/2008 21:33:06 <Timitius> Daigle, for safety and health of all, I hope so....
19/08/2008 21:33:07 <greengrunt> NICE!!
19/08/2008 21:33:18 <Daigle> Oh, burn!
19/08/2008 21:33:21 <James Jacobs> Yoda> Yeah! Cool! It's a good idea!
19/08/2008 21:33:35 <greengrunt> (nice referring to JJ's contributions not Tim Hitchcock's kilt)
19/08/2008 21:34:01 <James Jacobs> Justin> Maybe as early as next week. It's neat!
19/08/2008 21:34:05 * Charles Evans gets confused.....
19/08/2008 21:34:24 <Charles Evans> Any questions for us?
19/08/2008 21:34:25 <Justin Sluder> sweet
19/08/2008 21:34:37 <psymin> Pathfinder Cosplay next week?
19/08/2008 21:34:40 <Rathendar> i'll be looking foreward to the demon article.
19/08/2008 21:34:47 <James Jacobs> I asked one earlier, actually... "What kind of topics would you like to see us cover in the Pathfinder Companion line?"
19/08/2008 21:35:05 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: besides that one...
19/08/2008 21:35:09 <greengrunt> Hmmm... for players...
19/08/2008 21:35:16 <James Jacobs> Yeah; we'll be posting pictures of the first cleric of Desna next week, maybe. ALSO: Pictures of Boomer and his girlfriend in their awesome costumes.
19/08/2008 21:35:18 <Rathendar> a continuation of teh racial articles until you have the basic ones all done?
19/08/2008 21:35:25 <James Jacobs> Charles> No questions yet, reall.
19/08/2008 21:35:28 <James Jacobs> really.
19/08/2008 21:35:29 <greengrunt> A Mwangi Expanse player's guide
19/08/2008 21:35:41 <greengrunt> Jungle equipment and adventuring
19/08/2008 21:35:52 <Timitius> First cleric of Desna???
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19/08/2008 21:35:56 <James Jacobs> Rath> I'm not sure we'll ever cover all the core player races, actually. Certainly not any time soon.
19/08/2008 21:36:02 <Rathendar> someone was in cosplay tim
19/08/2008 21:36:05 <Pygon> gg - I was going to ask about that I need to make a paladin that starts in that area, and uh, yeah, it's hard to start one there I think...
19/08/2008 21:36:12 <psymin> Artwork for the gods .. (unless that is in the CS which I don't have yet )
19/08/2008 21:36:16 <James Jacobs> Tim> First cosplay. Someone dressed up as a cleric of Desna and it was cooooool.
19/08/2008 21:36:29 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: Is there any concern that if you bring out too many players guides, people will start complaining Golarion is getting 'too detailed' as some seem to do about prevous editions of FR?
19/08/2008 21:36:37 <James Jacobs> Gods and Magic will have pictures for ALL the deities.
19/08/2008 21:36:56 * Deussu joins Main
19/08/2008 21:37:01 <Charles Evans> Or (if they are cheap enough) are the Players guides ways for players who know nothing to get upto speed?
19/08/2008 21:37:02 <Pygon> Charles - was the complaint that FR was too detailed or that later releases invalidated or convoluted previous ones?
19/08/2008 21:37:02 <Timitius> I must see this cleric of Desna....I'm rolling one up for the RotRL game I'm playing in this Sat.
19/08/2008 21:37:11 <James Jacobs> Charles> Yup. But until we hit those concerns... full steam ahead! We're still DEEP in the zone of "CAN'T GET ENOUGH INFO!"
19/08/2008 21:37:30 <James Jacobs> We've only been doing Golarion stuff for 1 year. FR's been doing so for decades. We've got a lot of time.
19/08/2008 21:37:32 <greengrunt> A Guide for playing Linnorm barbarians/raiders characters?
19/08/2008 21:37:37 <Ross> James Jacobs, well, you're doing elf. Humans don't need it/are covered by the nation books. I thought Dwarf or Gnome is filling the middle slot during Legacy of Fire. That just leaves Halfling and Orc.
19/08/2008 21:37:38 <Charles Evans> Pygon: I keep seeing complaintsd /sneers on 4E threads that various posters hated FR because it was 'too detailed'.
19/08/2008 21:37:41 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, how's about this. The first Companion of an AP is the Player's Guide, simple and easy to explain. The 2nd Companion of an AP is focused on a race. The 3rd Companion of an AP is focused on a specific region of the Inner Sea.
19/08/2008 21:38:02 <James Jacobs> I'd love to do a Gnome and an Halfling book eventually.
19/08/2008 21:38:07 <Rathendar> i'd enjoy a pirates article. feats, fluff, equipment, maybe some optional rules, etc
19/08/2008 21:38:07 <Rambling Scribe> FR had more than a decade of material built up for it before they published the first bit of it...
19/08/2008 21:38:10 <Justin Sluder> Once races done just add in another region issue.
19/08/2008 21:38:16 <Deussu> James Jacobs: Be sure to deny people from writing "official" canon.. hence it would eventually have some lame heroes some boys would run after!
19/08/2008 21:38:29 <Deussu> I mean .. novels.
19/08/2008 21:38:39 <Deussu> Then again some people would like novels. Maybe.
19/08/2008 21:38:45 <greengrunt> JJ> My bad,,, I thought you guys were already doing a gnome/halfling book
19/08/2008 21:38:59 <Ross> So it'll be 2010, but I think you'll get the races covered.
19/08/2008 21:39:01 <Timitius> River Kingdoms. I want to see more on this. And Numeria.
19/08/2008 21:39:03 <James Jacobs> Know what's awesome? Buying a new shirt, wearing it once, then turning around and seeing the cat sleeping on it.
19/08/2008 21:39:17 <greengrunt>
19/08/2008 21:39:19 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs,
19/08/2008 21:39:20 <Rambling Scribe>
19/08/2008 21:39:24 <Deussu> James Jacobs: A book on gnomes and halflings? Heh, what'd the title be, "D&D World View: The Underside"?
19/08/2008 21:39:28 <psymin> If it wasn't, I'd say your cat was faulty.
19/08/2008 21:39:31 <James Jacobs> We'll see how folk like the elf book first before we go onward... and by that point, we'll already have folk working on them through #7 or so.
19/08/2008 21:39:38 <Rathendar> i'd also like to see a custums, traditions, etc cultural book that goes into more regions in detail
19/08/2008 21:39:43 <James Jacobs> psymin> Agreed.
19/08/2008 21:40:03 <Daigle> I've been in love with the static hurricane since it was mentioned....any plans to do anything with that in the near future?
19/08/2008 21:40:04 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: If you could bear in mind trying to make regional players cuides (or AP companions) as friendly to those not familiar with the world as possible... and would indexes be possible, or do they occupy too much space? (In which case what about indexes as a PDF?)
19/08/2008 21:40:13 <Charles Evans> cuides=guides.
21:40:52 <Charles Evans> .
19/08/2008 21:41:03 <Charles Evans>
19/08/2008 21:41:17 <Russ> I have an idea
19/08/2008 21:41:20 <Russ> Make the book on half-ogres and gnomes
19/08/2008 21:41:22 <Rambling Scribe> AFAIK the problem with indeces is the time and effort it takes to create them (and make sure they are accurate and useful).
19/08/2008 21:41:24 <Russ> Call it "The Long and Short of It"
19/08/2008 21:41:31 <Rathendar> actually darkmoon vale was great, similar treatment to other places would be wonderful in my perspective
19/08/2008 21:42:00 <greengrunt> JJ> You guys really need to do a book on lost Azlant technology
19/08/2008 21:42:12 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
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19/08/2008 21:42:16 <Timitius> I got the CS and the Beta last Thursday...and I'm loving the reads. I'm so impressed, and proud, of these folks at Paizo. Doing the mags was just holding them back!
19/08/2008 21:42:22 <James Jacobs> Daigle> no plans for the Eye of Abendego in the near future, nope.
19/08/2008 21:42:45 <Hill Giant> Who or what is Abendego?
19/08/2008 21:42:47 <Rathendar> now james, you're asking us for ideas, not us to guess whats already on the dockets
19/08/2008 21:42:51 <Pygon> Tim - I'd agree there. After the mags went away ideas just exploded
19/08/2008 21:43:01 <James Jacobs> Hill> I'm not sure.
19/08/2008 21:43:01 <Eyebite is Dinnerin' Himself> It would be awesome if the Guide To books had a short adventure in the back, so players could really immerse themselves into the place that was just detailed
19/08/2008 21:43:09 <James Jacobs> But it's eye is a hurricane.
19/08/2008 21:43:10 <Russ> Ugh. I doing my best to read things, but I still have 1/4 of master of the pit, 1/2 of LB1, and the CS and rules
19/08/2008 21:43:23 <Timitius> I just wish they'd start playing again....(oh, how selfish of me!!!).
19/08/2008 21:43:30 * Russ wants an underwater adventure too - probably just a module, not a path
19/08/2008 21:43:31 <Deussu> My friend ordered a CS for me ... but I think I'll have to wait a month for it.
19/08/2008 21:43:32 <Rathendar> take more sick days russ
19/08/2008 21:43:45 <Daigle> Who came up with that particular idea, James?
19/08/2008 21:43:46 * mortellan joins Main
19/08/2008 21:43:55 <greengrunt> hi Mortellan
19/08/2008 21:44:01 <James Jacobs> Eyebite> The goal for the Guide To books is to do them FOR current adventures. Korvosa had teh Adventure path; Darkmoon Vale has several modules, and Absalom will have a LOT of PFS scenarios.
19/08/2008 21:44:17 <Daigle> Howdy Mort!
19/08/2008 21:44:17 <mortellan> yo green
19/08/2008 21:44:27 <James Jacobs> Daigle> I beleive that would have been Erik.
19/08/2008 21:44:33 <Pygon> will PFS be the Guide to Absolaom's focus?
19/08/2008 21:44:34 <Daigle> Nice
19/08/2008 21:44:38 <mortellan> hey daigle, i just missed you at gencon
19/08/2008 21:44:50 <Eyebite is Dinnerin' Himself> Yeah, I know, I'm just a sucker for short adventures
19/08/2008 21:44:53 <Charles Evans> .
19/08/2008 21:45:11 <Rambling Scribe> I'm partial to the area near the eye called "The Shackles"
19/08/2008 21:45:17 <James Jacobs> Pygon> No. The Guide to Absalom's focus is the city of Absalom. The fact that many of the scenarios will be set there is incidental.
19/08/2008 21:45:20 <greengrunt>
19/08/2008 21:45:25 <Pygon> thanks
19/08/2008 21:45:26 <Charles Evans> Eyebite: Pathfinder Chronicles is supposed to be more Player friendly.
19/08/2008 21:45:27 <Daigle> I know. I missed as many people as I met.
19/08/2008 21:45:35 <Daigle> Missed you last year too.
19/08/2008 21:45:37 <Pygon> still looking forward to that one, along with Darklands
19/08/2008 21:45:47 <mortellan> daigle, third times a charm
19/08/2008 21:45:53 <Charles Evans> Unless I have my lines mixed up.
19/08/2008 21:46:02 <Daigle> Indeed!
19/08/2008 21:46:50 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: I don't know if this one has been answered already on a thread, but How come the 'ruined pier' by the back entrance to Scarwall is 'ruined'? I thought that the castle was suposed to repair itself/
19/08/2008 21:47:33 <Russ> CE - Chronicles is sort of both, isn't it, with Companion being friendly?
19/08/2008 21:48:07 <mortellan> daigle>i did manage to talk to lilith and logue
19/08/2008 21:48:14 <James Jacobs> Charles> Because the pier is on the fringe of the castle's curse. Also; by keeping the pier ruined, the curse tries to "funnel" intruders along the causeway, which is a lot more well-defended.
19/08/2008 21:48:26 <Daigle> mort: I heard
19/08/2008 21:48:35 <James Jacobs> Companion is intended for Players. The Chronicles aren't necessarilly.
19/08/2008 21:48:40 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: Yet the causeway extends further out from the castle and is in pretty good repair?
19/08/2008 21:49:23 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: And there are plenty of parts of the castle which could be in a state of disrepair that would be detrimentally so to intruders.
19/08/2008 21:49:30 <greengrunt> D'oh.... I 'z a dozing
19/08/2008 21:49:38 <psymin> I wonder if I could get multiple companion subscriptions .. for my players.
19/08/2008 21:49:52 <Daigle> Wake up greeny!
19/08/2008 21:50:03 <greengrunt> G,night everybody... And welcome back to chat JJ.. Great to have you and everybody else back!
19/08/2008 21:50:07 <James Jacobs> Charles> The Causeway is connected to the castle, though. It's part of the castle. The curse lives in the stone of the castle, and once it moves beyond that stone, it starts to fade. The pier itself is not connected to the castle by worked stone, therefore the curse is diminished and it's slowly been rotting away. In fact, if not for the curse, the wooden pier would have rotted away to nothing.
19/08/2008 21:50:12 <Pygon> gnite grunt
19/08/2008 21:50:12 <Justin Sluder> cya GG
19/08/2008 21:50:16 <greengrunt>
19/08/2008 21:50:17 <Rambling Scribe> Night Greengrunt!
19/08/2008 21:50:20 <Eyebite is Dinnerin' Himself> Night grunt
19/08/2008 21:50:31 <David> night gg
21:50:44 <Daigle> Bye gg!
19/08/2008 21:50:48 <Eyebite is Dinnerin' Himself> Ok, in the Osirion vein, a guide to Sothis would be cool
19/08/2008 21:50:50 <James Jacobs> Charles> The curse isn't something that's an epicenter with a radius, in other words. It basically just infests the castle itself.
19/08/2008 21:50:53 * Eyebite is Dinnerin' Himself changes his/her nickname to Eyebite
19/08/2008 21:50:55 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: If it was 'The Castle is preserved from the moment the curse hit' it ight be possibe to see t working that way; mandravius and co. could have trashed the pier after their infiltration so that nobody could sneak in on them that way, after all.
19/08/2008 21:50:55 * going to Starbucks for the wif changes his/her nickname to Fray back from Starbucks
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19/08/2008 21:51:10 <James Jacobs> Eyebite> An osirion/sothis chunk is on its way this December, in fact!
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19/08/2008 21:51:21 <Daigle> Rock!
19/08/2008 21:51:26 <Eyebite> awesome!
19/08/2008 21:51:27 <Daigle> Howdy Sothal!
19/08/2008 21:51:32 <Fray back from Starbucks> James Jacobs> BETA question: Favored class no gives +1 Skill point and +1 hp?
19/08/2008 21:51:34 <Sothal@work> Hello
19/08/2008 21:51:34 <mortellan> yo sothal
19/08/2008 21:51:48 <Charles Evans> And damaeg teh orcs ma have caused could have been fairly minimal, if they made a surprise attack against an over-stretched garrison.
19/08/2008 21:51:53 <Fray back from Starbucks> hiya sothal
19/08/2008 21:51:56 <James Jacobs> Charles> Nah; the curse just doesn't care that much about the pier. Possibly because Mandravius used it. But more likely because the pier itself isn't technically a part of the castle.
19/08/2008 21:52:41 <Fray back from Starbucks> James Jacobs> BETA question: Favored class now gives +1 Skill point and +1 hp?
19/08/2008 21:53:17 <Daigle> James, AP 4 starts in Katapesh, right? Around when does it leave that area for other venues?
19/08/2008 21:53:28 <Ross> Fray back from Starbucks, or, not and
19/08/2008 21:53:32 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: I can't find area #22 marked opn the maop with a number either.
19/08/2008 21:54:06 <Charles Evans> should it be the turret marked 'T1' on the second floor map?
19/08/2008 21:54:07 <Justin Sluder> Daigle, http://rpgconcept.angelfire.co...iew.mp3
19/08/2008 21:54:10 <James Jacobs> Fray> It gives one of the two bonuses. You get to pick when you gain a level.
19/08/2008 21:54:13 <James Jacobs> Charles> Yes.
19/08/2008 21:54:32 <Fray back from Starbucks> James Jacobs> I missed that part... thanks.
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19/08/2008 21:54:51 <Daigle> Justin, all I got was a 404 error
19/08/2008 21:54:54 <James Jacobs> Daigle> The first 3 adventures and the last adventure in Legacy of Fire occur in Katapesh. The fourth and fifth ones take place elsewhere.
19/08/2008 21:55:01 <Daigle> Nice
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19/08/2008 21:55:10 <Daigle> Thanks
19/08/2008 21:55:18 <Justin Sluder> odd
19/08/2008 21:55:22 <Fray> James Jacobs> Like in CotCT
19/08/2008 21:55:28 <Pygon> try that link without the http://
19/08/2008 21:55:41 <James Jacobs> Elaine Cunningham's Pathfinder Journal for the same arc starts in Katapesh and travels up through Osirion.
19/08/2008 21:55:44 <James Jacobs> Fray> Yup.
19/08/2008 21:55:49 <Eyebite> JJ> Can you say where that "elsewhere" is?
19/08/2008 21:55:53 * Charles Evans gets his pencil out to annotate his copy of PF #11
19/08/2008 21:55:54 <Fray> I keep calling it Korsovo... i hate that name
19/08/2008 21:56:18 <Fray> itdoesn't help being dyslexic either...
19/08/2008 21:56:27 <James Jacobs> Eyebite> I could, if folk don't mind spoilers.
19/08/2008 21:56:44 <Justin Sluder> Daigle, it works for me.
19/08/2008 21:56:52 * Pygon shakes his monitor violently so the words are fuzzy
19/08/2008 21:56:59 <Rambling Scribe> Code green alpha
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19/08/2008 21:57:18 <Charles Evans> James Jacobs: LB1, did Steve Greer actually mean a trebuchet, or just a mangonel, for the siege engine which the baron's soldiers wheel out to fire the alchemist's fire at the attackers?
19/08/2008 21:57:32 <ollibolli> good morning from Germany
19/08/2008 21:57:34 <Rambling Scribe> Hi Ollibolli! It must be very late.
19/08/2008 21:57:39 <mortellan> hey olli
19/08/2008 21:57:47 <Daigle> So, Justin, what am I missing?
19/08/2008 21:57:47 <Sothal@work> 7 AM, Rambling Scribe,
19/08/2008 21:57:51 <Daigle> Howdy olli!
19/08/2008 21:57:59 <yoda8myhead> James Jacobs, so the twon where Seelah's story starts is in Katapesh? I thought she was from Geb
19/08/2008 21:58:00 <Charles Evans> I have the impression that trebuchets are *much* bigger than mangonels, and 'm wondering how easy it would be to just trundle one out through the gatehouse of the castle.
21:58:09 <James Jacobs> Charles> I suspect Steve meant the type of siege engine that can realistically launch alchy fire.
19/08/2008 21:58:16 <Charles Evans> Or to hide it, for that matter.
19/08/2008 21:58:24 <Deussu> Not late, it's early.
19/08/2008 21:58:35 <Rambling Scribe> Sothal: I just know that whe Ollibolli gets here, it means it's way past bedtime for me!
19/08/2008 21:58:39 <James Jacobs> Yoda> Seelah is indeed from Geb, but her big event that turns her into a Paladin takes place in Katapesh in the town of Solku.
19/08/2008 21:58:41 <Charles Evans> There is no mention made in LB1 of where the siege engine in question is kept.
19/08/2008 21:58:57 <Charles Evans> Does it just sit in the castle courtyard?
19/08/2008 21:59:01 <Justin Sluder> Daigle, it's the PF AP preview which I'm guessing is from gencon
19/08/2008 21:59:12 <Daigle> The seminar?
19/08/2008 21:59:14 <James Jacobs> Charles> I don't know, to be honest. I haven't read LB1.
19/08/2008 21:59:24 <Pygon> Charles - I saw that issue as well there may be room in the courtyard if you limit it to a 15' square. Also, if it is a trebuchet, it can be assembled outside the gate
19/08/2008 21:59:26 <ollibolli> craig, I will call my self something other next time *G*
19/08/2008 21:59:44 <ollibolli> use another name
19/08/2008 21:59:58 <Charles Evans> JJ: True, your name does appear to be absent from the editorial list...
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19/08/2008 22:00:13 <Rambling Scribe>
19/08/2008 22:00:28 <Charles Evans> Pygon: It says in the adventure specifically that the baron's men trundle it out of the castle to fire it.
19/08/2008 22:00:28 <James Jacobs> I don't read everything that comes out of Paizo; I approve all the outlines and whatnot, but I don't have time do read everything.
19/08/2008 22:00:30 <ollibolli> something like:
19/08/2008 22:00:41 * ollibolli changes his/her nickname to It is not late
19/08/2008 22:00:47 <Justin Sluder> Daigle, I don't know, but they talking about LoF
19/08/2008 22:00:48 <Fray> James> thanks for coming by tonight.
19/08/2008 22:00:54 <Rambling Scribe>
19/08/2008 22:00:59 <James Jacobs> Fray> Sure! No prob at all!
19/08/2008 22:01:05 <Charles Evans> 'The second morning of the sege, soldiers pull a trebuchet out into town....'
19/08/2008 22:01:07 <Fray> Everyone else> you're all a bunch of fun geeks!
19/08/2008 22:01:10 <Pygon> Charles - I'll be treating is as assembling outside. It's not like they don't have time to do so
19/08/2008 22:01:12 <Fray> Have a god nite.
19/08/2008 22:01:14 <Pygon> *it
19/08/2008 22:01:16 <Charles Evans> s(i)ege
19/08/2008 22:01:23 <Daigle> Take care Fray!
19/08/2008 22:01:25 <Pygon> gnite Fray
19/08/2008 22:01:30 <Justin Sluder> cya Fray
19/08/2008 22:01:36 <James Jacobs> Trebuchets are pretty enormous. A smaller catapult'
19/08/2008 22:01:42 <James Jacobs> Is probably the better choice.
19/08/2008 22:01:45 <It is not late> g8 fray
19/08/2008 22:01:48 <Charles Evans> Pygn: any sort of siege engine isn't going to be the sort of thing you can knock together in five minutes.
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19/08/2008 22:02:01 <Daigle> Howdy paul.
19/08/2008 22:02:06 <mortellan> hey paul
19/08/2008 22:02:12 <James Jacobs> And if it's something you can gloss over or even omit entirely... that's probably a good choice too.
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19/08/2008 22:02:47 <paul> hey
19/08/2008 22:02:54 <It is not late> the only thing you can aassemble pretty quick is a tree used for ramming
19/08/2008 22:02:57 <Pygon> Charles - agreed - but it's not during an active conflict either.
19/08/2008 22:02:57 * Charles Evans scrbbles further notes (nice handy margins in LB1... )
19/08/2008 22:03:07 <James Jacobs> LB1 has some ugly warts, it's true. It fell in between editors; came in while one editor was on his way out, and got picked up at the last minute to finish the job by another.
19/08/2008 22:03:25 <Charles Evans> Pygon: It is. It's trundled out in direct response to the taunting by the andorran army.
19/08/2008 22:03:28 <Daigle> Maybe a self-assembling animated objecy siege engine
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19/08/2008 22:03:36 <Daigle> Wulf!!!
19/08/2008 22:03:42 <Pygon> I'll be running it in a few weeks, it's been a challenge getting things straight
19/08/2008 22:03:46 <James Jacobs> Compounded by the fact that the first editor asked for WAY too much in the adventure, and it thus came in way over wordcount for what we could use.
19/08/2008 22:03:47 <Rambling Scribe>
19/08/2008 22:03:54 <Charles Evans> By the time that they could assemble a siege engine, the andorrans would have finished their taunting hours earlier, and gone back to camp for lunch.
19/08/2008 22:04:25 <Sir Wulf> Hello!
19/08/2008 22:04:29 <It is not late>
19/08/2008 22:04:57 <Charles Evans> Good day, Sir Wulf.
19/08/2008 22:05:27 <Russ> Good to know there is a reason I'm not wowed by it like I usually am
19/08/2008 22:05:42 <Pygon> Charles - the way I see it worded, they set it up and wait for the right moment, then the enemy army taunts, then they fire. But, hand;e it as you wish of course
19/08/2008 22:06:05 <Charles Evans> LB1 is still reasonable as a setting, but there are some gaps in it in places....
19/08/2008 22:06:05 <James Jacobs> Russ> Yeah... Going forward we've got a new setup for the modules that should have them working a bit better.
19/08/2008 22:07:04 * HG is Closing Up changes his/her nickname to Hill Giant
19/08/2008 22:07:11 <James Jacobs> If it's that big of a problem for your group, I suggest that the siege engine parts be smuggled in via magic. Perhaps by several shrink item spells or something...
19/08/2008 22:07:12 <Charles Evans> Ack. I think meant Andoren, not Andorran.
19/08/2008 22:08:31 <Sir Wulf> Shrink Item would be a good option for the boom and counterweight parts.
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19/08/2008 22:08:54 <Justin Sluder> okay, time to crash
19/08/2008 22:08:59 <Daigle> How many words in a module?
19/08/2008 22:09:01 <Pygon> gnite Justin
19/08/2008 22:09:04 <Daigle> Goodnight Justin.
19/08/2008 22:09:10 <Justin Sluder> James Jacobs, thanks for stopping by.
19/08/2008 22:09:13 <Eyebite> 19k I think Daigle
19/08/2008 22:09:15 <Sir Wulf> Even a small trebuchet would require a substantial counterweight.
19/08/2008 22:09:15 <Justin Sluder> have fun all
19/08/2008 22:09:24 * Justin Sluder waves goodnight to everyone
19/08/2008 22:09:29 <Eyebite> Night Sluder
19/08/2008 22:09:38 * Justin Sluder bows to Mr. Jacobs
19/08/2008 22:09:41 <James Jacobs> Daigle> There's about 20,000 words in a module.
19/08/2008 22:09:51 <Daigle> Thanks
19/08/2008 22:09:51 <Eyebite> Bah, I was close
19/08/2008 22:09:52 <James Jacobs> Seeya later, Justin!
19/08/2008 22:09:54 <It is not late> <---
19/08/2008 22:09:59 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin the er
19/08/2008 22:10:06 <It is not late> gn8 Justin
19/08/2008 22:10:27 <James Jacobs> A module's got about 20,000, while a Pathfinder adventure's closer to 30,000 words.
19/08/2008 22:10:47 <Timitius> Joy! My website I designed for my company has gone live!
19/08/2008 22:10:56 <Timitius>
19/08/2008 22:10:57 <James Jacobs> Sweet! Well done, Tim!
19/08/2008 22:11:01 <Rambling Scribe> Is 30 000 for the main adventure or the whole book?
19/08/2008 22:11:05 <Samwise> thats not particularly bad
19/08/2008 22:11:08 <Timitius> www.r2usa.com
19/08/2008 22:11:26 <Daigle> The main was bigger at first, right?
19/08/2008 22:11:29 <Timitius> Not a gaming site...BTW.
19/08/2008 22:11:38 <James Jacobs> Rambling> 30,000 for the main adventure, 5,000 each for the 2 support articles and the set piece, 4,500 for the Pathfinder Journal, and 1,500 or so each for each monster.
19/08/2008 22:11:39 <Ross> Timitius, shiny...
19/08/2008 22:11:40 <Samwise> we had 25K for lg cores at the end, but that included boilerplates, excessive stat blocks, and new rules items
19/08/2008 22:12:02 <James Jacobs> Daigle> Yeah; at first the main adventures were 40,000 or even 50,000 words. That was too long to handle.
19/08/2008 22:12:10 <Samwise> without those, 20K and 30K should be more than enough for a really decent adventure or extended adventure
19/08/2008 22:12:12 <Daigle> I feel ya.
19/08/2008 22:12:30 <James Jacobs> Nice-looking website, Tim!
19/08/2008 22:12:42 <Daigle> Thanks for the breakdown for the other stuff too!
19/08/2008 22:12:43 <Russ> Samwise - a heck of a lot of cruft for having to requote the text of every power in every stat block
19/08/2008 22:12:45 <James Jacobs> Samwise> And it turns out, they are!
19/08/2008 22:12:47 <Charles Evans> Hmm I seem to be timing out.
19/08/2008 22:13:01 <Rambling Scribe> The adventure I wrote for WotC was 30 000 words, but without the delve vormat I could have done it in well under 20 000
19/08/2008 22:13:22 <James Jacobs> The Delve Format is very hard on wordcounts.
19/08/2008 22:13:23 <Daigle> Damn You, delve format!
19/08/2008 22:13:25 <Timitius> Thanks. That's a year-long effort of researching, pestering, cajoling, and generally being a nuisance.
19/08/2008 22:13:35 <Samwise> James>yes they are
22:13:54 <Samwise> oh, btw, 1st session of CoCT was last saturday, next session this saturday
19/08/2008 22:14:00 <Samwise> using pfrpg
19/08/2008 22:14:06 <Daigle> How'd it go, Sam?
19/08/2008 22:14:11 <Timitius> I argued hard for the flash animated header...
19/08/2008 22:14:20 <Samwise> Russ>yeah, i hated that special text stuff
19/08/2008 22:14:28 <Samwise> Daigle>fairly well
19/08/2008 22:14:31 <James Jacobs> Writing Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk was pretty tough. I had several years of Dungeon design in my head at the time, and the Delve Format was still being developed. Writing in that format was grisly, and I had to cut a LOT of encounters as a result.
19/08/2008 22:14:49 <Samwise> the biggest "issues" were more player and die driven quirks than the rules
19/08/2008 22:15:02 <Daigle> Ain't that always the way.
19/08/2008 22:15:05 <Pygon> was the original design of RoG always for levels 8-13?
19/08/2008 22:15:10 <James Jacobs> Yes
19/08/2008 22:15:15 <yoda8myhead> James Jacobs, like the statue/pyramid that leads into the underdark? I was sad to see that left out of EttRoCG
19/08/2008 22:15:19 <Samwise> i had some extreme shock at how utterly simple the CMB system stuff is
19/08/2008 22:15:19 * Russ cries a little at lost material
19/08/2008 22:15:23 <Deussu> Does EttRoG have a similar format to Barrow of the Forgotten King, as in putting encounters and plots to two different locations?
19/08/2008 22:15:29 <James Jacobs> Yoda> That was part of Jason Bulmahn's section.
19/08/2008 22:15:36 <Charles Evans> James jacobs: When can we expect6 top see another report on a Paizo office game run by Erik?
19/08/2008 22:15:44 <Sir Wulf> James Jacobs, Now I'm curious about what wouldn't fit. Images of the unexpurgiated Hook Mountain come to mind...
19/08/2008 22:15:47 <yoda8myhead>
19/08/2008 22:15:50 <James Jacobs> I originally had a LOT more encounters planned for the Promenade and for the 3 demiplanes.
19/08/2008 22:15:53 <Deussu> I was delighted to see a sensible formatting in the PFS scenario I purchased.
19/08/2008 22:16:19 <James Jacobs> Charles> I have no idea. Soon, I hope. I'll be firing up an office game pretty soon too, and Jason Bulmahn should be starting one as well.
19/08/2008 22:16:27 <Samwise> James>how to say this . . . EttRoCG would be a great adventure if you didnt have to use that PITA delve format
19/08/2008 22:16:33 <Pygon> excellent
19/08/2008 22:16:34 <Timitius>
19/08/2008 22:16:46 <Russ> Yeah, delve format adventures are extremely hard to run
19/08/2008 22:16:51 <Russ> Even more page flipping that normal
19/08/2008 22:16:59 <Samwise> as it is, it is simply constantly irritating flipping back and forth, cross referencing, and everything else while running it
19/08/2008 22:17:04 <Deussu> Uh, care to explain what delve format is?
19/08/2008 22:17:07 * mortellan needs bookmarks to run delve
19/08/2008 22:17:08 <Russ> I'd compare to trying to run RHoD without the web enhancement, only worse
19/08/2008 22:17:10 <James Jacobs> HA! I suspect my game's gonna be a during-work-hours one, Tim... but Jason's is probably gonna be an after-school event and I'm sure you're on the short list! I"ll make sure you are, if I can!
19/08/2008 22:17:23 <James Jacobs> Hard to run, AND hard to write and read.
19/08/2008 22:17:32 <Samwise> Desseu>the barrow of the forgotten king format
19/08/2008 22:17:33 <Russ> Delve format one section for the adventure flor, followed by a tactical encounter section that has the rest of the map details and the encounters, presen ted per-fight
19/08/2008 22:17:37 <Deussu> AAARGH!
19/08/2008 22:17:39 <Pygon> Deussa - when all the encounters are in the back of the book as a bunch of stat blocks, map with creature placement and small paragraphs on how each combat plays out
19/08/2008 22:17:42 <Deussu> I *hated* the Barrow's format.
19/08/2008 22:17:43 <Samwise> yeah
19/08/2008 22:18:02 <Russ> So room descriptions are split between two chapters
19/08/2008 22:18:08 <Deussu> It lived up to its name since I forgot to say the king's name at any point
19/08/2008 22:18:12 <Charles Evans> Russ: Like city of the Spider Queen from 3.0 FR?
19/08/2008 22:18:27 <Russ> Dunno, never realy read that
19/08/2008 22:18:32 <Sir Wulf> Deussu, WotC developed a format intended to organize the meat of combat encounters into one or two pages. Unfortunately, many encounters don't fit the format well.
19/08/2008 22:18:33 <Timitius> James Jacobs, many thanks. I miss playing with you guys. I've intentionally not joined any more games so there would be NO conflict.
19/08/2008 22:18:37 <Samwise> James>also, and again i know this is not your fault, but without all those side quests assumed as integral parts of the adventure, its just . . . utterly lacking, so much flavor is drained from it
19/08/2008 22:18:43 <James Jacobs> Delve format works very well, I suspect, for tournament play. It sucks hard for just reading for entertainment and for more casual games and especially for non-combat heav y games.
19/08/2008 22:18:51 <James Jacobs> Tim> I miss playing with ya too!
19/08/2008 22:19:07 <Samwise> James>you Erik and Jason wrote a really good adventure, but the formatting makes it hard to see
19/08/2008 22:19:08 <James Jacobs> If my game ends up being an after-hours one, I'll let ya know for sure.
19/08/2008 22:19:10 <Deussu> I don't mind the combat encounter pages that much, but putting all the "plot pages" on some other place was superannoying
19/08/2008 22:19:15 <Samwise> which i expect comes down to:
19/08/2008 22:19:20 <Charles Evans> Russ: It had all the NPC & creature stat blocks listed at the back in appendices.
19/08/2008 22:19:27 <Samwise> Please never change Pathfinder to that format!
19/08/2008 22:19:33 <Russ> CE - that's kind of like delve-light
19/08/2008 22:19:36 <Charles Evans> Much flipping back and forth required.
19/08/2008 22:19:39 <Samwise> or anything even vaguely similar
19/08/2008 22:19:47 <James Jacobs> The Pathfinder Format won't be changing.
19/08/2008 22:19:48 <Charles Evans> Ah, Delve is even worse.
19/08/2008 22:19:49 <Deussu> PFS scenario format is good.
19/08/2008 22:19:56 <Samwise> delve format works great for:
19/08/2008 22:20:03 <Deussu> Nothing?
19/08/2008 22:20:04 <Pygon> Charles - RHoD was the same way, and RttToEE. I accepted typing up my own stat block pages for myself when I prep.
19/08/2008 22:20:04 <Charles Evans> Anyway, I shall say goodnight before I time out again....
19/08/2008 22:20:05 <James Jacobs> Especially because one goal of Pathfinder is to present adventures that are as fun to read as they are to play.
19/08/2008 22:20:05 <Samwise> really simple, linear dungeon crawls
19/08/2008 22:20:10 * David quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 22:20:12 <Samwise> the D&D delve (duh)
19/08/2008 22:20:12 <Russ> A bit too much reuse of stat blocks for my taste, but I fix that during my prep
19/08/2008 22:20:13 <Samwise> and . . .
19/08/2008 22:20:14 * mortellan quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 22:20:14 * mortellan quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 22:20:17 <Samwise> thats about it
19/08/2008 22:20:19 <Charles Evans> Goodnight everyone.
19/08/2008 22:20:26 <Daigle> Goodnight Charles!
19/08/2008 22:20:26 <James Jacobs> G'night, Charles!
19/08/2008 22:20:28 <Eyebite> g'night CE
19/08/2008 22:20:31 <It is not late> <----
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19/08/2008 22:20:38 <It is not late> gn8 Charles
19/08/2008 22:20:49 <Samwise> Deussu>no, if you read Scourge of the Howling Horde, the delve format does not take away from that
19/08/2008 22:21:04 <It is not late> PFS adventures are a beauty.
19/08/2008 22:21:04 <Timitius> James Jacobs, I have heard, spoken with much awe, of your CoC games. I'd love to have the chance to play in your game.
19/08/2008 22:21:12 <Samwise> the adventure is a really simple crawl with minimal flipping about in cross country encounters
19/08/2008 22:21:21 <Samwise> for more than that it simply fails
19/08/2008 22:21:25 <James Jacobs> Tim> Thanks!'
22:22:24 <Deussu> I really want to get playing Rise of the Runelords and/or Crimson Throne, but the DM who promised to run it has to move to a different town and .. I don't anyone else who had bought and read it already. :/
19/08/2008 22:22:32 <Samwise> oof
19/08/2008 22:22:45 <Samwise> well, this group is enjoying crimson throne so far
19/08/2008 22:22:54 <yoda8myhead> Deussu, where do you live Deussu?
19/08/2008 22:23:00 <Eyebite> Alright guys, I'm out too. G'night all!
19/08/2008 22:23:01 <yoda8myhead> repeat repeat
19/08/2008 22:23:02 <Deussu> Finland.
19/08/2008 22:23:08 <Daigle> Have a great night Eyebite!
19/08/2008 22:23:11 <yoda8myhead> oops, can't help you
19/08/2008 22:23:15 <Deussu> Yeah
19/08/2008 22:23:16 <Eyebite> you too Daigle
19/08/2008 22:23:17 <Pygon> gnite Eyebite
19/08/2008 22:23:25 <Timitius> I'm about to start RotRL in a monthly game...very excited to finally get to play that.
19/08/2008 22:23:26 <yoda8myhead> move to NYC and I'll run you through RotR
19/08/2008 22:23:27 <It is not late> <--- gn8 eyebite
19/08/2008 22:23:36 <Deussu> There are a lot of people intrigued by PFS, but considering all these games we *should* play ... ugh
19/08/2008 22:23:41 <Rambling Scribe> James, who is (or is going to be) responsible for the Pathfinder modules (ex-gamemastery) now?
19/08/2008 22:23:50 <Deussu> I have a day job, a freelance job, gf and all kinds of crazy stuff going on.
19/08/2008 22:24:19 <Samwise> Finland?
19/08/2008 22:24:22 <Samwise> aieeeeeeeeee
19/08/2008 22:24:26 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
19/08/2008 22:24:28 <Deussu> Haha
19/08/2008 22:24:30 <Samwise> yoda>nyc?
19/08/2008 22:24:34 <Deussu> yeah, Samwise, I know your dismay
19/08/2008 22:24:50 <Samwise> heh
19/08/2008 22:25:15 <Samwise> Deussu>i am surprised the government has not filed for my extradition yet
19/08/2008 22:25:17 <Urza> James... as someone who grew up during the whole MADD (Mothers Against Dungeons & Dragons) era... what's it like to see out of touch McCain aids trying to demonify D&D players as being bad and obviously part of the Obama camp?
19/08/2008 22:25:18 <Timitius> James Jacobs, given all the awesomeness at GenCon, and the HUGE attendance seen for PFS....are we in trouble for PaizoCon?
19/08/2008 22:26:30 <James Jacobs> Rambling Scribe> I'm going to take a bit more of an active role in the Modules line, but the majority of the work on them will be handled by James Sutter and Sean K Reynolds.
19/08/2008 22:26:32 <David> .
19/08/2008 22:26:46 <Deussu> Urza, the whole thing was barely noticed by anyone else than D&D players
19/08/2008 22:27:01 <Deussu> Everyone seems to be more like "meh" about the whole statement.
19/08/2008 22:27:21 <Deussu> (basing this on reactions received from various people)
19/08/2008 22:27:32 <Rambling Scribe> JJ: That's what I figured. Another question, inspired by Timitius: What kind of presence will Paizo have at Origins next year?
19/08/2008 22:27:38 <Urza> Deussu, and that's why it's a joke.. they're so out of touch they're reaching into political hate from the 80s instead of going after the video gamers and bloggers
19/08/2008 22:27:53 <Samwise> Daigle>here is an example of CoCT is going for my group: when we broke, they were trying to decide what to do with Devargo Bavarsi, the current leader in the poll is a combination of "Turn my back and then feign surprise and disapproval when someone's glaive slips" and "Assume his identity and run his operation"
19/08/2008 22:28:07 <James Jacobs> Urza> It's always dissapointing to see public figures use D&D as a shortcut to insulting anyone. I try not to get TOO political... but I have to say I'm not surprised to see McCain use a sleezy shortcut like this. I'm relatively certain it cost McCain some votes too, which is fine with me.
19/08/2008 22:28:31 <Samwise> Daigle>I fear for the survival of anything resembling a good alignment in the campaign
22:28:45 <Deussu> Good is irrelevant!
19/08/2008 22:28:47 <James Jacobs> His camp issued an apology, of course, but it's too little, too late, as usual in such situations.
19/08/2008 22:28:56 <Daigle> Are these friends or strangers, Sam?
19/08/2008 22:28:59 <It is not late> good will be assimilated
19/08/2008 22:29:06 <Timitius> This is the first I've heard of it, but a quick Google makes me go, "WTF???"
19/08/2008 22:29:35 <James Jacobs> Scribe> At this point? I'm not sure. We'll certainly have Pathfinder Society stuff going on at Origins... but I'm not sure if we'll be doing much more.
19/08/2008 22:29:54 <Samwise> Daigle>a combo, one is the guy who dragged me into running LG (as opposed to being mr aloof triad overlord), most of the others are strangers
19/08/2008 22:30:10 <yoda8myhead> Samwise, yes NYC
19/08/2008 22:30:35 <James Jacobs> McCain's comment is particulary vexing in the light of the fact that D&D has a VERY strong following in the military.
19/08/2008 22:30:40 <Deussu> I wonder if Greyhawk Reborn will come out with anything ...
19/08/2008 22:30:41 <Rambling Scribe> JJ: I had the impression at Gen Con that Paizo's enthusiasm for Origins had waned... it's too bad becasue I enjoy it more than Gen Con in some regards. Thanks for the answers!
19/08/2008 22:30:43 <Timitius> HA! Classic! Wired asked readers to create a McCain D&D creature!! http://blog.wired.com/27bstrok...am.html
19/08/2008 22:30:51 <Samwise> yoda>what parts do you lurk in? (and are you plotting against me? )
22:31:13 <yoda8myhead> Samwise, I live in Jersey City, and work and play in Manhattan
19/08/2008 22:31:18 <yoda8myhead> are you a NYer as well?
19/08/2008 22:31:28 <James Jacobs> Scribe> Origins isn't a very good convention for Paizo, traditionally. It's much more of a historical minis convention.
19/08/2008 22:31:51 <Samwise> yoda>yes, you do not know my evil real life alter ego?
19/08/2008 22:32:07 <David> night peoples
19/08/2008 22:32:13 <yoda8myhead> Hitchcock?
19/08/2008 22:32:13 <Pygon> my zombie template is re-asserting itself. Thanks again James, congrats again on all the ENnies! Good night all!
19/08/2008 22:32:14 <Deussu> James: Rest assured, Ropecon 2009 will most likely hold much more Paizo stuff than ever before (before: none)
19/08/2008 22:32:16 <It is not late> <---- gn8 David
19/08/2008 22:32:17 <Daigle> Goodnight David
19/08/2008 22:32:20 <Pygon> gnite David
19/08/2008 22:32:30 <Daigle> Goodnight Pygon
19/08/2008 22:32:32 <It is not late> <---- gn8 Pygon
20:01:38 * James Jacobs joins Main
26/08/2008 20:01:43 ‹Daigle› Howdy James
26/08/2008 20:01:47 ‹Pygon› welcome James!
26/08/2008 20:01:52 ‹Hill Giant› hey, JJ
26/08/2008 20:01:52 ‹Justin Sluder› evening JJ
26/08/2008 20:01:55 ‹James Jacobs› Ahoy!
26/08/2008 20:01:55 ‹Eyebite› Hey James
26/08/2008 20:01:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› James!
26/08/2008 20:02:01 ‹jmberaldo› Careful, James. that guy is hugging people
26/08/2008 20:02:30 ‹psymin_drunk› Damn, its tuesday. Time to start the RotRL game . .guess I'll never make these chats again.
26/08/2008 20:02:32 ‹Urza› hi James
26/08/2008 20:02:46 * Rambling Scribe joins Main
26/08/2008 20:02:56 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy RS
26/08/2008 20:02:56 ‹Daigle› Scribbles!
26/08/2008 20:03:00 ‹Hill Giant› Scribbles!
26/08/2008 20:03:02 ‹Eyebite› Hey RS
26/08/2008 20:03:03 ‹James Jacobs› Who's Hugging Whom now?
26/08/2008 20:03:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm starting my ROTRL game Thursday . .. woo hoo
26/08/2008 20:03:07 ‹Majuba› hi James!
26/08/2008 20:03:08 ‹Rambling Scribe› Evenin' all!
26/08/2008 20:03:15 ‹Blazej› Hello James.
26/08/2008 20:03:29 ‹Justin Sluder› :thugs:James Jacobs!!
26/08/2008 20:03:30 ‹Daigle› psymin is hugging Majuba
26/08/2008 20:03:33 ‹Uzzy› Can't wait for GenCon UK.
26/08/2008 20:03:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey there RS
26/08/2008 20:03:48 ‹jmberaldo› And apparently its contagious
26/08/2008 20:03:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its a hug orgy really . . .
26/08/2008 20:04:00 ‹Daigle› Ain't nothing wrong with hugging. ;)
26/08/2008 20:04:01 ‹Justin Sluder› :zombieglomp: jmberaldo!!!
26/08/2008 20:04:07 * Majuba raises his veggie drink and says, "I like it!"
26/08/2008 20:04:08 ‹jmberaldo› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH
26/08/2008 20:04:18 ‹Lilith› JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMES!
26/08/2008 20:04:25 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hugs all around! :thugs:
26/08/2008 20:04:39 * Lilith runs over and super glomps Doctor James Jacobs! :glomp: :thug: :beer:
26/08/2008 20:05:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, I'm so overloaded with cool Paizo stuff from Gen Con I don't know if I can form any coherant questions this week . . .
26/08/2008 20:05:06 ‹Daigle› Scribbles, who had that hugging line?
26/08/2008 20:05:13 ‹James Jacobs› LILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLITHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh<gasp>
26/08/2008 20:05:25 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Mission Accomplished, then! :)
26/08/2008 20:05:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle, which hugging line?
26/08/2008 20:05:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› Awesome experience, almost entirely due to you guys at Paizo
26/08/2008 20:05:42 ‹popscythe› hello to everyone I missed
26/08/2008 20:05:43 ‹Daigle› Brothers don't shake. Brothers hug.
26/08/2008 20:05:50 * Lilith gives James a plate of cookies. :cookie:
26/08/2008 20:05:58 ‹Justin Sluder› once again, OMFG!!! you sold out of the BETA at GenCon!!! :dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::da nce2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2:
26/08/2008 20:06:03 ‹Lilith› Yes James, GenCon was super-duper awesome. :)
26/08/2008 20:06:06 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, I wanna ask about earth genies - 1) why not Dao? 2) Why Shaitan?
26/08/2008 20:06:09 ‹Daigle› Knight, sorry I missed you there.
26/08/2008 20:06:13 ‹James Jacobs› Thanks, KnightErrant! :)
26/08/2008 20:06:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› Not to mention I wanted to kiss the first person in a Paizo shirt that I saw after I got out of the Secrets of the Realms seminar.
26/08/2008 20:06:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› That was Boomer!
26/08/2008 20:06:34 ‹Pygon› daylight come and me wanna go home...
26/08/2008 20:06:37 ‹Daigle› Shaitan is THE evil djinn.
26/08/2008 20:06:40 * Ross joins Main
26/08/2008 20:06:45 ‹Daigle› Howdy Ross
26/08/2008 20:06:48 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Ross
26/08/2008 20:06:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, I'm sure we were in close proximity at some time Daigle, but it was a busy time.
26/08/2008 20:06:51 ‹jmberaldo› Well, Id like first to say I have you all who were on GenCon. Thank you very much
26/08/2008 20:06:54 ‹Daigle› Scribbles, awesome, thanks.
26/08/2008 20:06:59 ‹Eyebite› Hey Ross
26/08/2008 20:07:02 ‹Daigle› Knight, indeed.
26/08/2008 20:07:04 ‹Ross› What'd I miss?
26/08/2008 20:07:05 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> Dao are not open content. Furthermore, the word "dao" derives from "Tao," it would seem, which is not really genie associated at all. SO: We had to go with a different name, and as it turns out, Shiatan is the perfect name!
26/08/2008 20:07:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Although running into Nick first cured that reaction (just kidding)
26/08/2008 20:07:16 * jmberaldo has been repeating that to his coworker who went to the US just for gencon
26/08/2008 20:07:20 ‹popscythe› haha
26/08/2008 20:07:34 ‹James Jacobs› Since Shiatan = evil earth spirit, more or less. I suspect they didn't go with it originally due to it being the source of the name "Satan."
26/08/2008 20:07:50 ‹Pygon› interesting.
26/08/2008 20:08:07 ‹popscythe› Sounds like some arabian knights action to me
26/08/2008 20:08:14 ‹popscythe› lol
26/08/2008 20:08:18 ‹James Jacobs› I was honestly a little shocked to find out that dao wasn't open and wasn't even a mythical genie, to be honest.
26/08/2008 20:08:34 ‹jmberaldo› dear god, i can even curse without mispelling. I ment I hate you)
26/08/2008 20:08:34 ‹Hill Giant› marid is though?
26/08/2008 20:08:35 ‹Ross› I knew it wasn't open. I'm surprised it wasn't mythical.
26/08/2008 20:08:48 ‹James Jacobs› Marid is. Also, marids are in Tome of Horrors III.
26/08/2008 20:08:50 ‹Ross› Course, if you go by myth, Djinn should nt be good.
26/08/2008 20:08:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . I'm so used to the "big four" that I wouldn't even have thougth they weren't
26/08/2008 20:09:00 ‹Ross› Chaotic, sure. Good, no.
26/08/2008 20:09:09 ‹Eyebite› Or the Peri
26/08/2008 20:09:16 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> True; but that ship's mostly sailed, alas.
26/08/2008 20:09:17 ‹Ross› Shaitan sounds more like a Genie anyway, though.
26/08/2008 20:09:22 ‹Daigle› Ahhh! The peri!
26/08/2008 20:09:28 * J. B. joins Main
26/08/2008 20:09:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, but CG Djinn are traditional at this point.
26/08/2008 20:09:30 ‹Eyebite› :)
26/08/2008 20:09:32 ‹jmberaldo› I named 3 of the fighters on our MMO Efreet, Marid and Djinn ;)
26/08/2008 20:09:35 ‹Daigle› Howdy JB
26/08/2008 20:09:38 * Blazej quit
26/08/2008 20:09:38 ‹Pygon› is that THE JB?
26/08/2008 20:09:47 * J. B. changes his/her nickname to Blazej
26/08/2008 20:09:53 ‹Pygon› nope.
26/08/2008 20:09:53 ‹Blazej› :P
26/08/2008 20:10:08 ‹Lilith› Blazej! NOT the Bull-man.
26/08/2008 20:10:08 ‹popscythe› I wouldn't mind seeing Djinn go back to their meaner roots
26/08/2008 20:10:09 ‹Lilith› :P
26/08/2008 20:10:14 ‹Blazej› Less love for this JB.
26/08/2008 20:10:24 * Daigle still loves ya!
26/08/2008 20:10:25 ‹James Jacobs› Jason (and Erik and Josh) are officially in England right now.
26/08/2008 20:10:31 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :woot:
26/08/2008 20:10:32 * Pygon hugs Blazej
26/08/2008 20:10:36 ‹Justin Sluder› :thugs:Blazej
26/08/2008 20:10:44 ‹Blazej› I love ya all too.
26/08/2008 20:10:47 ‹Lilith› No long distance flights for Doctor Jacobs?
26/08/2008 20:10:47 ‹Majuba› never actually used a Dao here - though I remember them from the 1st ed MM@
26/08/2008 20:10:49 ‹Majuba› MM@
26/08/2008 20:10:51 ‹Majuba› MM2
26/08/2008 20:11:04 ‹James Jacobs› The time for us to switch djinni to meaner roots would be for the Pathfinder RPG monster book. BUT... I doubt we'll do that since there's 30-some years of them being good guys.
26/08/2008 20:11:16 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Nope. (thank god!)
26/08/2008 20:11:20 ‹Pygon› James - I noticed a couple items moved from September to October - is the schedule still healthy?
26/08/2008 20:11:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, James, I more than happily fulfilled my promise to become a Superscriber
26/08/2008 20:11:36 ‹Russ› With only one of the three being good-inclined (as I recall), I think that works out
26/08/2008 20:11:37 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I figured that was the case. The London flight is not easy
26/08/2008 20:11:49 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> What items moved? (And the schedule is doing good, as long as you're not a Module, alas).
26/08/2008 20:11:51 ‹Majuba› not to mention Aladdin :)
26/08/2008 20:12:01 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, it's good that there's some difference between myth and the RPG world. In Myth EVERYTHING wants to kill you.
26/08/2008 20:12:03 ‹James Jacobs› We just shipped Gods & Magic and Pathfinder #15 to the printer today, for example. Two days late, alas...
26/08/2008 20:12:04 ‹Pygon› James - modules moved
26/08/2008 20:12:12 ‹jmberaldo› Paizo is on the west coast, right?
26/08/2008 20:12:18 ‹Lilith› jmberaldo, 'tis
26/08/2008 20:12:19 ‹Ross› jmberaldo, yes.
26/08/2008 20:12:20 ‹David› jmberaldo, yes
26/08/2008 20:12:24 ‹Daigle› James, I was going to ask actually, who is in charge, more or less, of the modules these days?
26/08/2008 20:12:31 ‹jmberaldo› gar! hours and hours of flight to london
26/08/2008 20:12:33 ‹James Jacobs› Yup; we're about 10 mintues away from Seattle.
26/08/2008 20:12:34 ‹Urza› Ross, in my games everything does want to kill the PCs
26/08/2008 20:12:40 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, damn that GenCon making things late!
26/08/2008 20:12:50 ‹James Jacobs› Ah. Yeah, the modules are somewhat cursed.
26/08/2008 20:13:05 ‹Russ› Been a while since we've seen a module, it is true
26/08/2008 20:13:11 ‹David› James Jacobs, i'd work on em!
26/08/2008 20:13:22 ‹Justin Sluder› better the modules than the flagship APs
26/08/2008 20:13:22 ‹Pygon› it's also going to make October somewhat of a many-item month again. But, I'll deal.
26/08/2008 20:13:27 ‹Blazej› Tiki idol cursed?
26/08/2008 20:13:30 ‹Eyebite› one module a month on top of everything else they're putting out *is* pretty crazy
26/08/2008 20:13:32 ‹Daigle› Was Raven the last one?
26/08/2008 20:13:36 ‹James Jacobs› With Hungry are the Dead having just shipped to the printer... We're back on schedule starting with Pact Stone Pyramid, though.
26/08/2008 20:13:40 ‹Lilith› Daigle, Last Baron
26/08/2008 20:13:43 ‹Ross› Eyebite, every other mongth.
26/08/2008 20:13:47 ‹Daigle› Lilz, thanks.
26/08/2008 20:13:55 ‹Eyebite› same difference
26/08/2008 20:14:07 ‹Eyebite› That's a ton of goodies
26/08/2008 20:14:14 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, on schedule is always a good thing
26/08/2008 20:14:18 ‹James Jacobs› So yeah; Hungry are the Dead and Chimera Cove are clumping, which kinda sucks for the subscribers.
26/08/2008 20:14:31 * Justin Sluder doesn't mind
26/08/2008 20:15:03 ‹David› september looks to be pretty empty...
26/08/2008 20:15:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› Eh, I'm planning on spending the money anyway.
26/08/2008 20:15:25 ‹Justin Sluder› KnightErrantJR, same here
26/08/2008 20:15:27 ‹Daigle› David, that'll help balance August.
26/08/2008 20:15:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› Not to be unsympathetic to anyone that it might crunch . . .
26/08/2008 20:15:49 ‹popscythe› So I had a question... Is the Pathfinder campaign setting stuff going to work it's way into PFRPG for the final version? I was really looking forward to seeing bladed scarf in the core rpg hehe
26/08/2008 20:15:51 * Majuba finally got his Betas today - they look Awesome!
26/08/2008 20:16:03 ‹popscythe› Oh yeah, I agree... the beta is delightful
26/08/2008 20:16:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Majuba, they do don't they?
26/08/2008 20:16:19 ‹David› Daigle, yeah...
26/08/2008 20:16:26 * Mr Baron (Singapore) joins Main
26/08/2008 20:16:32 ‹Daigle› Howdy Baron
26/08/2008 20:16:33 ‹James Jacobs› popscythe> Probably not. Just as you didn't see much Forgotten Realms or Greyhawk creeping into the 3.5 rulebooks, we're going to be keeping a lot of Golarion stuff out of the RPG. The names of the gods is more or less it.
26/08/2008 20:16:36 ‹Justin Sluder› and they're so heavy. you could kill a raging ogre with one
26/08/2008 20:16:38 ‹David› hi Mr B!
26/08/2008 20:16:45 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Mr. B
26/08/2008 20:16:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› I managed to "sell" two Campaign Setting books in my group by showing mine off the other night in our half assed playtest.
26/08/2008 20:16:51 ‹James Jacobs› We MIGHT sneak in some of the weapons to keep the starknife company... but no promises there.
26/08/2008 20:17:05 ‹jmberaldo› I still need to let august pass by before I order the beta and the campaign setting... plus the shipping time
26/08/2008 20:17:08 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› hello
26/08/2008 20:17:11 ‹Justin Sluder› KnightErrantJR,
26/08/2008 20:17:17 ‹popscythe› Cool!
26/08/2008 20:17:18 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, what did you think of the Pathfinder cosplay?
26/08/2008 20:17:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› James, just to follow up on Daigle's question, is there an editor specifically in charge of the modules now? Did I miss that?
26/08/2008 20:17:31 ‹Pygon› if you can sell a hardbound Paizo book during a halfa'd effort, I'd call that high praise.
26/08/2008 20:17:34 ‹James Jacobs› It was the highlight of the con, that Desna costume!!
26/08/2008 20:17:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› That was pretty cool.
26/08/2008 20:18:02 ‹Pygon› is she on the forums?
26/08/2008 20:18:12 ‹James Jacobs› Rambling Scribe> Starting with Hungry are the Dead, I have a MUCH stronger role in the module line; before that, I didn't even look at them.
26/08/2008 20:18:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› Awesome!
26/08/2008 20:18:24 ‹Eyebite› Isn't she MetalMaiden, Pygon? Something like that
26/08/2008 20:18:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, one of my players has said that Rovagug is now his favorite evil deity name ever, since I got him going on the campaign setting.
26/08/2008 20:18:38 ‹Majuba› yes Eyebite,
26/08/2008 20:18:40 ‹popscythe› hehe Rovagug is amazin
26/08/2008 20:18:45 ‹Pygon› Eyebite - thanks
26/08/2008 20:18:49 ‹James Jacobs› Currently, the module stuff is split between James Sutter and Sean Reynolds. They're taking the preliminary passes. James mostly does the editing and the commissioning, and Sean does the stats and development.
26/08/2008 20:19:03 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, Vic said that Gary will be looking at resumes when he finishes some Pathfinder Society stuff. Any idea when that will be?
26/08/2008 20:19:09 ‹James Jacobs› Rovagug's pretty cool. He's shaping up quite nicely as the UBERBAD deity.
26/08/2008 20:19:19 ‹Daigle› Thanks for the answer, James.
26/08/2008 20:19:22 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> My guess would be a few weeks.
26/08/2008 20:19:27 ‹Majuba› oh yah! - Campaign setting - I got lost in that for an hour or so the other day when I should have been prepping for one of my two PF campaigns
26/08/2008 20:19:38 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, not exactly like Asmodeus and Lamastu as soft-pedaling at being uber-bad.
26/08/2008 20:19:41 ‹popscythe› Right after I got alpha 3 I really jumped into the golarion gods.. I like them all a lot
26/08/2008 20:19:49 ‹Lilith› Majuba, heh. I read the CS to and from GenCon on my flights.
26/08/2008 20:19:55 ‹Urza› James, has F. Wesley Schneider Pathfinder manga thread caused any headaches for you all yet?
26/08/2008 20:19:55 ‹Majuba› on the deities specifically - lots of really cool details there
26/08/2008 20:20:07 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I like the nod to Gygax & Arneson in the Absalom entry
26/08/2008 20:20:09 ‹Ross› And then there...what's his name Groeteus, the God of the Apocolypse.
26/08/2008 20:20:19 ‹James Jacobs› Gods & Magic looks SUPER cool; there's a LOT of stuff in there, not just for the core 20, too.
26/08/2008 20:20:22 ‹popscythe› Groteus! Awesome
26/08/2008 20:20:24 ‹Lilith› Ross, LAMASHTU! Our blessed Mother of Monsters!
26/08/2008 20:20:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› I almost, almost felt like switching sides of the screen when I read some of the race details in the CS . . . some awsome RP hooks in the race descriptions.
26/08/2008 20:20:27 ‹Justin Sluder› Lilith, agreed
26/08/2008 20:20:30 ‹Daigle› Ross, I dig that deity.
26/08/2008 20:20:34 ‹popscythe› Awesome!
26/08/2008 20:20:38 ‹James Jacobs› Tomorrow's blog is about Groteus and his Void sphere!
26/08/2008 20:20:49 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, SWEET!
26/08/2008 20:20:54 ‹popscythe› Oh dude! That's rockin
26/08/2008 20:20:55 ‹Lazaro› Awesome
26/08/2008 20:20:58 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, yeah - LOVE the half elves for instance.
26/08/2008 20:21:00 ‹Justin Sluder›
26/08/2008 20:21:04 ‹jmberaldo› Weeeee
26/08/2008 20:21:06 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> No headaches at all yet from the Manga thread!
26/08/2008 20:21:08 ‹popscythe› I'm way, way into that
26/08/2008 20:21:09 ‹Blazej› But Groeteus seems to just sleep on the couch, wake up, yells "Is it the apocolypse yet?", then goes back to sleep.
26/08/2008 20:21:22 ‹James Jacobs› I'd LOVE to see someone license us the Pathfinder manga scene, in fact.
26/08/2008 20:21:22 ‹jmberaldo› hehehe
26/08/2008 20:21:30 ‹Daigle› I love Groetus' complete apathy regarding worshippers.
26/08/2008 20:21:42 ‹popscythe› I couldn't tell from the CS if Groteus actually grants spells
26/08/2008 20:21:48 ‹popscythe› Any official word on that?
26/08/2008 20:21:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› Groetus in the blog tomorrow! Cool!
26/08/2008 20:21:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› I liked that there is some similarity (not complete mimicing, mind you) between having a deity of the dead and a god of the End Times in the Boneyard.
26/08/2008 20:22:01 ‹jmberaldo› pops> maybe as an afterthought
26/08/2008 20:22:10 ‹popscythe› hehe
26/08/2008 20:22:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› Helps to makes my Realms yearings ease a bit.
26/08/2008 20:22:17 ‹jmberaldo› "uh? wha? ah, ok, go cast some cause wounds"
20:22:25 ‹James Jacobs› popscythe> He does indeed grant spells. He might not NOTICE he's doing it, though.
26/08/2008 20:22:34 ‹popscythe› Awesome, decidedly awesome
26/08/2008 20:22:42 ‹jmberaldo› Ah-hah!
26/08/2008 20:22:56 ‹popscythe› I'd love to see something about him brainshafting people who attempt to commune (or etc) with him
26/08/2008 20:23:03 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, Are there other neutral deities in the Boneyard? Like, how does Gozreh fit in?
26/08/2008 20:23:10 * jmberaldo places his crystal ball back in the case
26/08/2008 20:23:25 ‹James Jacobs› The only two deities in the Boneyard are Pharasma and Groetus.
26/08/2008 20:23:35 ‹Ross› popscythe, I just like the style of answer he'd give. Like a surly man sleeping in.
26/08/2008 20:23:42 ‹popscythe› haha Ross
26/08/2008 20:23:52 ‹James Jacobs› Gozreh is elsewhere. Possibly even on the Material Plane.
26/08/2008 20:23:52 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, is Groetus Neutral?
26/08/2008 20:23:55 ‹popscythe› definitely. "Whatever"
26/08/2008 20:23:58 ‹popscythe› CN baby
26/08/2008 20:24:08 ‹Eyebite› brb
26/08/2008 20:24:15 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Groetus is chaotic neutral.
26/08/2008 20:24:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, do you know if Eric Boyd was at Gen Con? No one that knew what he looked like that I was sitting with could pick him out anywhere.
26/08/2008 20:24:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› And to tie this in, I would love to see him do more Pathfinder stuff.
26/08/2008 20:24:44 ‹Ross› Ah. Thet'll drive my Lawful characters nuts. The end of the world in the hands of an unpredicable god!
26/08/2008 20:24:49 ‹James Jacobs› Gods & Magic, btw, doesn't say much about the gods' homes and where they live. We're saving that info for "Guide to the Great Beyond." Gods & Magic is more about the gods themselves and thoes who worship them.
26/08/2008 20:24:55 ‹jmberaldo› Since the other week we asked about the AP and someone now brought up the Modules... Are there plans for module adventures on the less usual regions of Golarion like the Mammoth Lords, Numeria, etc?
26/08/2008 20:24:57 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Eric was not at Gen Con.
26/08/2008 20:24:59 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› any thing you can share on AP5?
26/08/2008 20:25:04 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I'm looking forward to both those books
26/08/2008 20:25:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Had a feeling he wasn't . . . thank you.
26/08/2008 20:25:17 * Crimson Jester joins Main
26/08/2008 20:25:17 * Pygon has to wait until April
26/08/2008 20:25:31 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jester
26/08/2008 20:25:31 ‹James Jacobs› Baron> Nope; no news about AP 5 yet.
26/08/2008 20:25:36 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy CJ
26/08/2008 20:25:37 ‹popscythe› Really cool, I'm way excited for Gods and Magic now.. I didn't even know about it yet
26/08/2008 20:25:49 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, what about AP6?
26/08/2008 20:25:55 ‹Pygon› James - any spoilerz or teasers on what kinds of hazards or alterations to spells can be expected in the Great Beyond?
26/08/2008 20:26:14 ‹popscythe› "summon spells all result in clowns"
26/08/2008 20:26:17 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Not in the next six months or so, but yes, eventually the modules will be going places like the northern lands or other exotic regions.
26/08/2008 20:26:28 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Irrisen!
26/08/2008 20:26:39 ‹jmberaldo› Lilith> definitly
26/08/2008 20:26:39 ‹Crimson Jester› Hello again Justin
26/08/2008 20:26:44 ‹Majuba› James - are you still deciding on "Standard" vs. "Exotic" for AP5 as the first Pathfinder RPG AP?
26/08/2008 20:26:44 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> AP4 is the current cap on AP spoilers.
26/08/2008 20:26:44 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, Mwangi!!!!!!!!
26/08/2008 20:27:09 ‹Blazej› It was described a couple places that Pharasma possibly judged Aroden when he died. Where does a god's "spirit" go after death?
26/08/2008 20:27:11 ‹jmberaldo› Shouldnt that dinossaur be a little bit north... like with some mammoths?
26/08/2008 20:27:14 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> There's not gonna be MUCH to do with spell alterations in Great Beyond, I suspect. There'll be a fair amount of hazards though.
26/08/2008 20:27:49 ‹Pygon› ok thanks. I kind of likes how Q1 threw a lot of spells for a loop, I was hoping Great Beyond woudl do some of the same
26/08/2008 20:27:54 ‹Pygon› *liked
26/08/2008 20:28:04 ‹Crimson Jester› adding onto what Blazej asked is there going to be floating bodies of dead gods in the ether?
26/08/2008 20:28:06 ‹James Jacobs› Majuba> We're pretty much going ahead with the Standard AP from Aug to Jan, crazier one from Feb to July.
26/08/2008 20:28:44 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Pharasma knows what happened to a dead god's spirit; she's judged a LOT of them. She has not, as of yet, told me what happens to them after she judges them.
26/08/2008 20:29:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
26/08/2008 20:29:02 * Lilith changes his/her nickname to NetAdmin Lilith is AFC
26/08/2008 20:29:04 ‹Blazej› Ah.
26/08/2008 20:29:34 ‹David› heh
26/08/2008 20:29:36 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Spell alterations are an interesting idea... but they add WAY too much paperwork and clutter, espcecially if they're different for every plane. Also: I'd rather spent pages in the book talking about the planes and the things that live there rather than rebuilding the magic system 19 times.
26/08/2008 20:29:42 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, maybe she's been forgetting to put the new cover letter on her TPS Reports?
26/08/2008 20:29:45 ‹Majuba› cool, thanks James - I'll try to get Runelords wrapped up in time for it!
26/08/2008 20:29:55 ‹Pygon› James - yes, understood
26/08/2008 20:30:38 ‹Majuba› Justin Sluder, The Pathfinder Society - ouch
26/08/2008 20:30:40 ‹James Jacobs› Heh... I suspect that Pharasma's pretty on top of her paperwork, actually.
26/08/2008 20:30:46 ‹jmberaldo› James> Is there going to be anything on Baba Yaga and her bunch on the Great Beyond?
26/08/2008 20:30:50 ‹Eyebite› Mammoth lords or linnorn kings...can't wait to see a module or AP set there
26/08/2008 20:30:58 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Dunno. Maybe.
26/08/2008 20:31:01 ‹Eyebite› linnorm
26/08/2008 20:31:09 ‹James Jacobs› We're probably gonna hit Linnorm Kings before Mammoth Lords.
26/08/2008 20:31:25 ‹Eyebite› Either is a-ok with me
26/08/2008 20:31:31 ‹jmberaldo› Ive been rereading the Irresen entry and wondering about Baba Yaga's story and what behind it all
26/08/2008 20:31:37 * Lazaro quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 20:31:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› For what its worth James, I was surprised at how well recieved the Pathfinder Campaign setting was recieved at Candlekeep . . . well, not entirely surprised, but I'd saw you are making inroads.
26/08/2008 20:31:39 ‹Eyebite› and a Tian Xia AP or Module would be sweet too
26/08/2008 20:31:40 ‹Crimson Jester› Are we going to get any more info about the Crown of the world?
26/08/2008 20:31:44 ‹jmberaldo› Vikings are more popular than dinosaurs
26/08/2008 20:32:04 ‹Rambling Scribe› I like all of the norther countries. The Mammoth lords just hooked me with their possible hollow world connection. I had missed that before!
26/08/2008 20:32:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› I love Vikings . . . can't wait for more on the Linnorm Kings . . .
26/08/2008 20:32:14 ‹jmberaldo› Then again, ninja zombie robot and pirates are more popular then vikings
26/08/2008 20:32:16 ‹James Jacobs› Irresen is one of my favorite locations. We'll do something with that place soon enough.
26/08/2008 20:32:21 ‹Hill Giant› jmberaldo, But Vikings vs. Dinosaurs - pure gold!
26/08/2008 20:32:36 * Absinth joins Main
26/08/2008 20:32:39 ‹James Jacobs› AND: Dinosaurs are more popular to me than vikings, so that's kinda messing with priorities...
26/08/2008 20:32:40 ‹Daigle› It's strange. My intense dislike for cold weather affects my enjoyment of northern adventuring locales.
26/08/2008 20:32:53 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› I am really looking for something on the Linnorm kings!
26/08/2008 20:32:59 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› vikings just rock
26/08/2008 20:33:00 ‹Absinth› Good morning, Paizonians!
26/08/2008 20:33:02 ‹popscythe› Daigle, you just have to live the cold man
26/08/2008 20:33:02 ‹jmberaldo› what about an AP about a pirate from the Shackles dies in Nex, turned into an undead, then goes to Numeria, where he is turned into a cyborg, and then has to go to Tian Xian fight some ninjas?
26/08/2008 20:33:05 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Yes. We'll be talking quite a bit more about the Crown of the World eventually.
26/08/2008 20:33:06 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth!
26/08/2008 20:33:07 ‹Pygon› hi Absinth
26/08/2008 20:33:21 ‹Eyebite› you know...a cold weather AP would be a good counterpoint to AP 4's desert theme
26/08/2008 20:33:30 ‹Hill Giant› jmberaldo, can the pirate be a monkey from Mwangi?
26/08/2008 20:33:32 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› can we put a vote in for AP6 -> Linnomr kings?
26/08/2008 20:33:33 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle: So I guess you won't be dropping by any time soon...
26/08/2008 20:33:41 ‹jmberaldo› HillGiant> Of course!
26/08/2008 20:33:43 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› Linnorm
26/08/2008 20:33:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, when reading about Arcadia, I started wondering, do you guys picture Valkyries more like Deities and Demigods style, or like the Book of Nine Swords Style Valkyries? I did love the Book of Nine Swords, but I kind of liked that take on Valkyries.
26/08/2008 20:33:49 ‹Daigle› Maybe in the summer, Scribbles.
26/08/2008 20:33:52 ‹jmberaldo› Ninja Robot Pirate Monkey Zombie!
26/08/2008 20:34:05 ‹popscythe› Ah man, nine swords
26/08/2008 20:34:10 * NetAdmin Lilith is AFC quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 20:34:12 ‹popscythe› more like 4.0 alpha
26/08/2008 20:34:18 ‹Pygon› do they have Starpandas?
26/08/2008 20:34:21 ‹jmberaldo› put in some vikings, a dinosaur and Baba Yaga's dancing hut and its a sure sale!
26/08/2008 20:34:31 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> I have registered your vote.
26/08/2008 20:34:40 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› thanks
26/08/2008 20:34:47 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› casn I vote twice?
26/08/2008 20:34:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Of course, I love Vikings, but I also love actual Linnorms too . . .
26/08/2008 20:35:12 ‹jmberaldo› But seriously... an AP that crosses the northern regions sounds very interesting..
26/08/2008 20:35:17 ‹Absinth› As I read about Arcadia, I was wondering how there can be a colony founded by people on the brink of death. Or aren't the Linnorm Kings old, when they set sail to the west?
26/08/2008 20:35:33 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I haven't looked at the Book of Nine Swords valkyries... but I strongly suspect I wouldn't like them. We're staying very close to the myth on them.
26/08/2008 20:35:35 ‹Eyebite› Oh man....and wolfgang wrote frostburn...he'd have to do something for a linnorm king AP
26/08/2008 20:35:35 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› James, I have another request....how about a vinyl map?
26/08/2008 20:35:43 ‹Crimson Jester› Doesn't Cheliax has a colony in arcadia as well?
26/08/2008 20:35:58 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'd love to help write a Linnorm AP...
26/08/2008 20:36:01 ‹Blazej› James: Do you see Numeria in the future? ( through a pool of water, mirror, magic 8-ball, or some other scrying focus possibly )
26/08/2008 20:36:04 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> NO DOUBLE VOTING! That includes necromancy shenanigans.
26/08/2008 20:36:08 ‹jmberaldo› the party starts on the Linnorn having to deal with ice trolls stealing children from their frontier, and end up having to cross the border into the Mammoth Lords, and chase the enemy up the Icestairs to the crown of the world!
26/08/2008 20:36:14 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› lol
26/08/2008 20:36:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its just they were less goddess and more outsider, and they were CN and beat the crap out of warriors to see if they were worthy.
26/08/2008 20:36:17 ‹Blazej› In the near future I mean
26/08/2008 20:36:26 ‹popscythe› hehe children stealing: how trolls roll (aparrently)
26/08/2008 20:36:36 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Some of the Linnorm Kings (and queens!) are quite young. You only have to kill a linnorm to get the title, after all.
26/08/2008 20:36:50 ‹Daigle› Nice
26/08/2008 20:36:52 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, but Mr Baron is from Geb.
26/08/2008 20:36:58 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> Wolfgang had help on Frostburn, of course...
26/08/2008 20:37:10 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> A vinyl map of what? The world?
26/08/2008 20:37:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› Love Frostburn . . . its my favorite of the "terrain" books that WOTC put out.
26/08/2008 20:37:24 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> I see Numeria in the FAR future.
26/08/2008 20:37:33 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› see, I think a Linnorm king AP should begin with the characters thrown into a linnorm hunt and then things go from there
26/08/2008 20:37:46 ‹James Jacobs› Jester> Cheliax has their fingers in everyone's pie. I assume that they've got SOMETHING going on in Arcadia...
26/08/2008 20:37:48 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› yes..the world
26/08/2008 20:38:10 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› or at least the part that is going to get the most use
26/08/2008 20:38:23 ‹James Jacobs› I strongly suspect our valkyries will be chaotic good. Our chaotic neutral outsiders are a bit messed up to be pretty.
26/08/2008 20:38:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
26/08/2008 20:38:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› I can deal with hot CG Valkyries . . .
26/08/2008 20:38:54 ‹Daigle› James, who did the write up on Galt in the CS?
26/08/2008 20:38:55 * Eyebite changes his/her nickname to Eyebite is AFK
26/08/2008 20:39:00 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> Anything's possible... but something like a Vinyl Map wouild be a tricky thing to do. We'll see...
26/08/2008 20:39:03 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> I'm not sure.
26/08/2008 20:39:05 ‹Crimson Jester› Is there a Chelaxian group/regement in Tian Xia?
26/08/2008 20:39:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just please try to order at least one red headed one if you ever do an art order for them, please?
26/08/2008 20:39:12 ‹James Jacobs› Jester> Probably.
26/08/2008 20:39:25 ‹James Jacobs› Not a big one, but I bet there are a few Chelaxians over there.
20:39:37 ‹Daigle› Speaking of redheads and art orders....can we get some freckles too?
26/08/2008 20:39:41 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I'll see what I can do.
26/08/2008 20:39:42 ‹Daigle›
26/08/2008 20:39:44 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› I got a lot of use on my Ptolus map
26/08/2008 20:39:58 ‹James Jacobs› We got a cutie with freckles in Last Baron!
26/08/2008 20:40:06 ‹James Jacobs› Well... a PERSON with freckles, at least...
26/08/2008 20:40:12 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL
26/08/2008 20:40:19 ‹Daigle› I can't read that one yet. Curses!
26/08/2008 20:40:25 ‹Pygon› James - was our boxed set feedback much use to you last week?
26/08/2008 20:40:45 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› yes...so what's all this about a $500 box set?
26/08/2008 20:40:51 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Yup. It more or less convinced me that now is not quite yet the time to even start thinking about boxed sets.
26/08/2008 20:41:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Wow
26/08/2008 20:41:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› THAT may be out of my buget range
26/08/2008 20:41:31 ‹Pygon› if it will reduce the price, ship them in plastic bags and a separate box and we'll put it together ourselves
26/08/2008 20:41:34 ‹David› Daigle, if you ask Pygon real nice he miight trust you to look at the pictures
26/08/2008 20:41:42 * Daigle can wait.
26/08/2008 20:41:48 ‹Justin Sluder› Pygon,
26/08/2008 20:41:50 ‹Pygon› actually I don't recall a cutie freckle picture...
26/08/2008 20:41:54 ‹jmberaldo› Considering that translate into the equivalent of $800 for me... naaah
26/08/2008 20:42:05 ‹Justin Sluder› Pygon, it's a guy
26/08/2008 20:42:09 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> Yeah; if we WERE to do a boxed set, it'd be way too expensive to produce. We'd need to charge like 500 bucks, at which point we'd make it SUPER fancy and have everyone sign every one and do some really outlandish things with it... but still. 500 bucks is a lot.
26/08/2008 20:42:09 ‹popscythe› any official thinking on undead and critical hits? It keeps coming up in our weekly game and I haven't decided how to rule on it yet. I've been going vuln: sneak attack immune: critical hits but I'm a little iffy about i
26/08/2008 20:42:11 ‹Absinth› As I understood it, they're sailing to west, because they believe that it's the place of their afterlife. In the Gazetteer it is written that "when an aged Linnorm King is ready to pass into the afterlife, he initiates a risky naval adventure into unknown territory[...]Such journies over centuries have reasulted in the Arcadian community of Valenhall".
26/08/2008 20:42:11 ‹popscythe› t
26/08/2008 20:42:36 ‹popscythe› The linnorm are awesome
26/08/2008 20:43:00 ‹James Jacobs› popscythe> In the Pathfinder RPG, you can crit and sneak attack undead (and constructs). This is good for the game, I think. Helps keep rogues in the fight.
26/08/2008 20:43:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm wondering if they don't collect a bunch of crazy younger guys to crew the boats that have nothing to loose at that point.
26/08/2008 20:43:16 ‹popscythe› Voyage of the Dawn Treader style
26/08/2008 20:43:21 ‹popscythe› they get at least 1 wererat
26/08/2008 20:43:24 ‹James Jacobs› And by giving undead their Charisma bonus to HD, they have the hp to stand up to those kinds of fights.
26/08/2008 20:43:52 ‹popscythe› Interesting! Thanks for the information sir!
26/08/2008 20:43:56 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, has any thought been given to how that makes Sorceror Liches disproportionately tough?
26/08/2008 20:43:58 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› I think I could go to $200 for a really special product, but $500 is probably a bit too much
26/08/2008 20:44:01 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Ah. Well, those LInnorm kings are TOUGH as NAILS. A long sea voyage at old age is probably a walk in the park for them.
26/08/2008 20:44:02 * Nameless joins Main
26/08/2008 20:44:10 ‹Daigle› Howdy Nameless
26/08/2008 20:44:15 ‹Pygon› hi Nameless
26/08/2008 20:44:19 ‹Nameless› g'day all!
26/08/2008 20:44:22 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> I'm okay with that.
26/08/2008 20:44:23 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Nameless!
26/08/2008 20:44:30 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Nameless
26/08/2008 20:44:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Like the Cha bonus to HP being standard . . . I almost every undead that feat from the Tome of Horrors II (or was it III) that worked like Unholy Toughness.
20:44:39 ‹Nameless› Or, I should say, good evening
26/08/2008 20:44:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey Nameless
26/08/2008 20:44:55 ‹Absinth› Hey Nameless.
26/08/2008 20:44:56 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, okay. More power to Xykon!
26/08/2008 20:45:26 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> And 200 bucks isn't enough for us to make money on a boxed set. So that's pretty much that. For NOW, at least... who knows what the near or distant future might bring?
26/08/2008 20:45:29 ‹popscythe› Seems like the sorcerer lich would be the rare one, so it stands to reason to me that they'd be rougher than their more common counterparts
26/08/2008 20:45:32 ‹Absinth› Tough as Nails? lol. They're about to die, but are raising children in the west...
26/08/2008 20:45:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey, if Larry King can do it . . .
26/08/2008 20:46:01 ‹James Jacobs› Sorcerer liches are actually much more common than wizard liches in my experience... because sorcerers aren't as complicated to stat up as are wizards.
26/08/2008 20:46:02 ‹Absinth›
26/08/2008 20:46:04 ‹Hill Giant› Absinth, Norn magic?
26/08/2008 20:46:16 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs,
26/08/2008 20:46:28 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, is that why Cleric liches never see any play at all?
26/08/2008 20:46:32 ‹Absinth› Hill Giant, sounds good...
26/08/2008 20:46:35 ‹popscythe› haha
26/08/2008 20:46:37 ‹Crimson Jester› James Argith maybe a red head with freckles but I dont find the character a Cutie
26/08/2008 20:46:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oddly, I've made more cleric liches in my games than wizards or sorcerers . . . I AM a freak . . .
26/08/2008 20:47:01 ‹James Jacobs› Cleric liches see play rarely because designers always forget that you don't have to be an sorcerer or wizard to be a lich.
26/08/2008 20:47:10 * Wyvern joins Main
26/08/2008 20:47:17 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wyvern
26/08/2008 20:47:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› I only remember because of the Baneliches . . .
26/08/2008 20:47:25 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Wyvern
26/08/2008 20:47:26 ‹Crimson Jester› A sorcerer Lich who is a Lich due to shere willpower and internal ability
26/08/2008 20:47:27 ‹James Jacobs› Which is too bad, since cleric liches are MUCH MORE BADASS than wizard or sorcerer liches.
26/08/2008 20:47:30 ‹Rambling Scribe›
26/08/2008 20:47:33 ‹Wyvern› Heyas!
26/08/2008 20:47:38 * Majuba turned a bard player into a lich.. well almost
26/08/2008 20:47:39 ‹Pygon› I'm kind of stuck on the idea that becoming a lich is more an arcane desire than a divine one
26/08/2008 20:47:41 ‹popscythe› especially now that they can channel negative right
26/08/2008 20:47:42 ‹Nameless› Yes, Cleric liches are the most terrifying of liches.
26/08/2008 20:47:45 ‹Nameless› Hey Wyvern!
26/08/2008 20:47:48 ‹Pygon› hi Wyvern
26/08/2008 20:47:48 ‹popscythe› cleric lich screams bbeg now
26/08/2008 20:47:53 ‹Majuba› 'just one more sacrifice...
26/08/2008 20:47:53 ‹Absinth› I just imagined yesterday how the young native of Arcadia might be pissed, when an old salt viking guy comes across the sea, nearly dead, and all the women want to share their beds with him...
26/08/2008 20:47:56 ‹James Jacobs› That, and they can wear plate mail and heal themselves.
26/08/2008 20:48:03 ‹Daigle› Mmmm
26/08/2008 20:48:11 ‹popscythe› Awesome. Cleric lich
26/08/2008 20:48:11 ‹Blazej› So the Whispering Tyrant is a sorcerer or ....
26/08/2008 20:48:14 * Justin Sluder remembers the lich cleric from Knights of Spellforge Keep
26/08/2008 20:48:25 ‹James Jacobs› Whispering Tyrant is a wizard, if I remember correctly.
26/08/2008 20:48:32 * Ross wants to write an adventure with a Cleric lich now.
26/08/2008 20:48:34 ‹Blazej› Alrighty.
26/08/2008 20:48:37 ‹Justin Sluder› anyone else remember that story hour from ENWorld?
26/08/2008 20:48:37 ‹Hill Giant› Absinth, "Why don't you come back to my longhouse and see my Linnorm?"
26/08/2008 20:48:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› I got a wizardy vibe from him . . .
26/08/2008 20:49:02 ‹Absinth› Hi Wyvern... God, I'm typing soo damned slow tonight...
26/08/2008 20:49:05 * Eyebite is AFK changes his/her nickname to Eyebite
26/08/2008 20:49:14 ‹Justin Sluder› wb Eyebite
26/08/2008 20:49:18 * Majuba wouldn't take any vibes from the Whispering Tyrant
26/08/2008 20:49:21 ‹Absinth› lol Hill Giant, that was a good one...
26/08/2008 20:49:22 ‹Eyebite› Thanks!
26/08/2008 20:49:25 ‹James Jacobs› Maybe we should put a cleric lich in one of the upcoming Darklands adventures. He'll be laying on a ledge in a tiny cave, surrounded by 1,000 talking glyphs of warding.
26/08/2008 20:49:34 ‹popscythe› hahaha
26/08/2008 20:49:36 ‹popscythe› awesome
26/08/2008 20:49:43 ‹Justin Sluder›
26/08/2008 20:49:52 ‹Crimson Jester› Um lets not
26/08/2008 20:50:02 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, yes, please do that!
26/08/2008 20:50:03 ‹Crimson Jester› Unless the glyphs are keeping him in
26/08/2008 20:50:04 ‹Majuba› sidequest!
26/08/2008 20:50:14 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› I like the idea of a cleric lich that is a servant of a dark god..complete with a body guard of death knights!
26/08/2008 20:50:15 ‹popscythe› I'd love to see an urgathoa cleric lich... too fat and lazy to do anything but create undead and give orders to them
26/08/2008 20:50:28 ‹popscythe› hehe everyone loves cleric lich
26/08/2008 20:50:31 ‹Nameless› Can't wait to see the threads pop up if you were to put that in PF.
26/08/2008 20:50:32 ‹Daigle› How about an adept lich
26/08/2008 20:50:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Creepy is good . . . last regular campaign adventure I figured out how to push the creepy buttons with my players, so I'm good.
26/08/2008 20:50:56 * Absinth brews coffee.
26/08/2008 20:51:01 ‹Eyebite› Daigle - yes!
26/08/2008 20:51:14 ‹Blazej› Your deity is so fat she has a -6 Dex mod!
26/08/2008 20:51:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› Adept Lich: "I was an underachiever in life, but towards the end I figured I'd better straighten up"
26/08/2008 20:51:22 ‹Daigle›
26/08/2008 20:51:26 ‹popscythe› haha straighten up: forever
26/08/2008 20:51:33 ‹Crimson Jester› Like the idea too
26/08/2008 20:51:37 ‹popscythe› Amazing
26/08/2008 20:51:45 ‹Daigle› Just isolated and inexperienced.
26/08/2008 20:51:58 ‹popscythe› Super fat cleric lich of urgathoa it is... delightful
26/08/2008 20:51:58 ‹Hill Giant› bard lich?
26/08/2008 20:52:05 ‹popscythe› Bard lich
26/08/2008 20:52:08 ‹popscythe› amazin
26/08/2008 20:52:10 ‹James Jacobs› Popscythe> I'm sure there are lots of Urgathoa cleric liches... but the vast majority of her badass undead are vampires.
26/08/2008 20:52:11 * Majuba nods
26/08/2008 20:52:19 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› bard liche - meh
26/08/2008 20:52:25 ‹Justin Sluder›
26/08/2008 20:52:26 ‹Blazej› Naw. I want to see a jester lich.
26/08/2008 20:52:29 ‹popscythe› Yeah vampire/gluttony I feel it
26/08/2008 20:52:29 ‹Pygon› lich aristrocrat. "Now... it's time to negotiate."
26/08/2008 20:52:40 ‹Daigle› I keep reading bard lich as bardiche
26/08/2008 20:52:51 ‹popscythe› how about a failed lich... half a lich
26/08/2008 20:52:51 ‹Crimson Jester› A Crimson Jester Lich?
26/08/2008 20:52:53 ‹James Jacobs› Bard liches are fun.
26/08/2008 20:52:53 ‹Majuba› my player took a lich's phylactery and didn't realize it - was an intelligent cloak that slowly was getting him to convert to a lich
26/08/2008 20:53:02 ‹Hill Giant› With perform (comdey) - "I'm dyin' up here!"
26/08/2008 20:53:08 * Presence quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 20:53:09 * Majuba cringes at the thought of a half-lich template
26/08/2008 20:53:11 ‹Pygon› lol
26/08/2008 20:53:12 ‹popscythe› I tried to convert myself to lichdom and all I got was these clammy hands
26/08/2008 20:53:20 ‹Crimson Jester› lol
26/08/2008 20:53:20 ‹Daigle› HG - ouch
26/08/2008 20:53:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, after reading the "keep the drow villains" pep talk in the begining of Second Darkness, I would love for a really vampire focused AP with vampires as horrible nasty guys (and I can't wait to see Nosferatu from what I've heard)
26/08/2008 20:53:21 ‹James Jacobs› What about a half- half-fiend template?
26/08/2008 20:53:34 ‹Nameless› Quasi-fiend?
26/08/2008 20:53:44 ‹Daigle› quarter fiend ftw!
26/08/2008 20:53:49 ‹James Jacobs› Heh... we did a little with vampires in a previous AP. I'd love to do a full-on vampire AP someday though.
26/08/2008 20:53:49 ‹popscythe› I thought "fiendish creature" covered that pretty much
26/08/2008 20:53:52 * Majuba whimpers in pain
26/08/2008 20:53:56 ‹Crimson Jester› ~sigh~
26/08/2008 20:54:01 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, we have that. Fiendish is half as powerful as half-fiend.
26/08/2008 20:54:03 ‹Wyvern› half-fiend, half-vampire, half-lich
26/08/2008 20:54:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› Actually fiendish would be a creature native to a lower plane.
26/08/2008 20:54:07 ‹Ross› Which always bothered me.
26/08/2008 20:54:08 ‹popscythe› I love D&D. It's still okay to like vampires here boys
26/08/2008 20:54:33 ‹Crimson Jester› Feindish Vampiric Werewolf
26/08/2008 20:54:41 ‹popscythe› How about a special type of undead that only trolls can become
26/08/2008 20:54:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'd love for Golarion to have its own "Strahd"
26/08/2008 20:55:02 ‹Justin Sluder› popscythe,
26/08/2008 20:55:08 ‹popscythe› hehe
26/08/2008 20:55:08 ‹Majuba› vampiric lich deity
26/08/2008 20:55:19 * Fray joins Main
26/08/2008 20:55:28 ‹Daigle› Howdy Fray
26/08/2008 20:55:33 ‹Fray› hey gang
26/08/2008 20:55:35 ‹Crimson Jester› I'd just like to have Vecna and Kas back
26/08/2008 20:55:37 ‹Majuba› w/b Fray
26/08/2008 20:55:42 ‹Nameless› Hay, Fray!
26/08/2008 20:55:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› You know, I would like to see more race specific undead that tie into that races traits and their fears about the afterlife and all of that.
26/08/2008 20:55:44 ‹Fray› thanks Majuba
26/08/2008 20:55:46 ‹Eyebite› Hey fray
26/08/2008 20:56:03 ‹Fray› KnightErrantJR> ooo@ sounds cool.
26/08/2008 20:56:06 ‹Hill Giant› KnightErrantJR, that was one of the cool things Dark Sun had
26/08/2008 20:56:09 ‹Daigle› Knight, like a banshee?
26/08/2008 20:56:13 ‹popscythe› Knight, definitely
26/08/2008 20:56:16 ‹Fray› Monsterpocalyse anyone????
26/08/2008 20:56:21 ‹Fray›
26/08/2008 20:56:37 ‹Absinth› James, do you have anything in mind about Hermea, the island west of Nidal? Is there anything in the CS about it? My book hasn't arrived yet...
26/08/2008 20:56:37 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› I am hoping that there will be a dark sun like AP in the future
26/08/2008 20:56:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, or some of the Ravenloft 2nd edition race specific undead.
26/08/2008 20:56:45 ‹Fray› Ok, I found the rules for selling a spellbook in Beta and posted it.
26/08/2008 20:56:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› Like Forgespurned!
26/08/2008 20:56:53 ‹Daigle› Absinth, there is a write up on Hermea
26/08/2008 20:56:59 ‹James Jacobs› We'll have banshees as new monsters in Pathfinder #17, btw...
26/08/2008 20:57:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yes! Loved Forgespurned.
26/08/2008 20:57:04 ‹Crimson Jester› Liked the athasian elf zombies
26/08/2008 20:57:09 ‹Majuba› Fray, just read that myself
26/08/2008 20:57:10 ‹popscythe› Nice
26/08/2008 20:57:15 ‹Pygon› sweet
26/08/2008 20:57:16 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yup; there's 2 pages about Hermea in the CS.
26/08/2008 20:57:17 ‹Nameless› Forgespurned, that takes me back.
26/08/2008 20:57:18 ‹Daigle› James, sweet!
26/08/2008 20:57:22 ‹Fray› EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!
26/08/2008 20:57:23 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› was there a banshee in TOH?
26/08/2008 20:57:26 ‹Nameless› It's been so long since I read D1
26/08/2008 20:57:30 ‹Wyvern› Do they age you?
26/08/2008 20:57:39 ‹Eyebite› It would be good to see the banshee again
26/08/2008 20:57:46 ‹James Jacobs› There's a groaning spirit in ToH. But I wanna call them banshees.
26/08/2008 20:57:47 ‹Fray› Majuba> It's a nice reward for players, ain't it/
26/08/2008 20:57:54 ‹Pygon› and have it not be CR 17 at least.
26/08/2008 20:58:05 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Yes. That was an error.
26/08/2008 20:58:05 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› I agree...groaning spirit does not do it for me
26/08/2008 20:58:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey, we got our own revanants in Pathfinder now, so that's a good start.
26/08/2008 20:58:22 ‹Absinth› Cool. I wondered why the town is named Promise, but I guess this will be explained in the write-up. Is Hermea an independent nation?
26/08/2008 20:58:27 ‹Majuba› Fray, quite - except the NPC party member (well DM PC) got the spellbook from SD#1
26/08/2008 20:58:27 ‹James Jacobs› Our banshees will PROBABLY be CR 9 or thereabouts. Not sure yet... they haven't come in quite yet.
26/08/2008 20:58:35 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> It is.
26/08/2008 20:58:37 ‹Pygon› sounds good
26/08/2008 20:58:38 ‹popscythe› Ooh, cr 9 huh
26/08/2008 20:58:42 ‹James Jacobs› It's a pretty messed-up place too.
26/08/2008 20:58:43 ‹popscythe› I'm using them for sure then, nice
26/08/2008 20:58:45 ‹Fray› Majuba> Second Darkness?
26/08/2008 20:58:52 ‹Mr Baron (Singapore)› should be somewhere in the 7-9 category
26/08/2008 20:58:56 * Majuba nods Fray,
26/08/2008 20:59:03 ‹Fray› Majuba:> Was there no wizard in the party?
26/08/2008 20:59:07 ‹Daigle› Absinth, Hermea is selective breeding 'paradise' run by a gold dragon
26/08/2008 20:59:09 ‹Pygon› mid levels need their floating death hazards.
26/08/2008 20:59:10 ‹Crimson Jester› is there an average cr level for golarion or specific areas of golarian?
26/08/2008 20:59:15 ‹Absinth›
26/08/2008 20:59:17 ‹Majuba› Daigle, just the DM-PC (Barb/Wiz)
26/08/2008 20:59:23 ‹James Jacobs› That's a relatively random guess for a banshee CR, of course... but there's already plenty of stuff below them (spectre, wraith, shadow) that does that role... so they'll be somewhere in the 9-12 range.
26/08/2008 20:59:34 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'll take one of those Absinth!
26/08/2008 20:59:40 ‹Crimson Jester› where is Hermea at then?
26/08/2008 20:59:48 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> How long until we get our asian, Tia Xin, book? (not badgering, just asking)
26/08/2008 20:59:50 ‹Daigle› West coast of Avistan
26/08/2008 21:00:02 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs : Looking through many of the dieties stories, taking them literaly many were mortals that "upgraded" to diety without the aid of the Starstone (Irori, Nethys, Urgathoa, and the demi-god Kurgess). Overall do they have a longer journey through demi-god hood before reaching diety-rank?
26/08/2008 21:00:03 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson Jester> I'm not sure what you're asking there RE: average CR levels...
26/08/2008 21:00:09 ‹Absinth› RS, be careful, it has all the effects of a Raise Dead spell...
26/08/2008 21:00:21 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> At least a year for a Tian Xia book. At LEAST.
26/08/2008 21:00:23 ‹popscythe› Blazej, And CC! The god of awesome!
26/08/2008 21:00:29 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> Could we get more charts/notes on where the PC Party should be level-wise during the AP's?
26/08/2008 21:00:34 ‹Absinth› CJ, it's west of Nidal!
26/08/2008 21:00:36 * Lazaro quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 21:00:52 ‹Blazej› popscythe, well he used the starstone.
26/08/2008 21:01:00 ‹Blazej› Aparrently.
26/08/2008 21:01:05 ‹Crimson Jester› Ive seen regions are areas that seem set to a certian level of play...is that intentional?
26/08/2008 21:01:09 ‹popscythe› oh without, I read your post wrong hehe
26/08/2008 21:01:15 * Daigle used the starstone once and only ended up with a nasty rash.
26/08/2008 21:01:18 ‹popscythe› Yeah he totally used the starstone
26/08/2008 21:01:20 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> Even a web post would be very helpful
26/08/2008 21:01:23 ‹Blazej› He is awesome.
26/08/2008 21:01:39 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> The ones who upgraded to deity without the Starstone achieved deity status sort of accidentally, or due to the meddling of another deity. Their journey through demigod level to actual god level isn't necessarilly any different than a deity who does the Starstone test, though.
26/08/2008 21:01:41 ‹popscythe› I like him. I for some reason envisioned him as a really irresponsible elf when I first read about him though
26/08/2008 21:01:42 ‹popscythe› hehe
26/08/2008 21:01:49 ‹Blazej› Starstone. Apply directly to the forehead.
26/08/2008 21:01:51 ‹Blazej› Starstone. Apply directly to the forehead.
26/08/2008 21:01:57 ‹Daigle›
26/08/2008 21:01:59 ‹popscythe› haha
26/08/2008 21:02:06 ‹Russ› Apotheosis! My favorite!
26/08/2008 21:02:09 ‹Absinth› lol
26/08/2008 21:02:14 ‹Justin Sluder›
26/08/2008 21:02:19 ‹Justin Sluder› damn, it's not working
26/08/2008 21:02:20 ‹Ross› Blazej, Irori is special specifically because he didn't need the Starstone. I don't recall the others' stories offhand.
26/08/2008 21:02:24 ‹Blazej› Alright.
26/08/2008 21:02:25 ‹Nameless› I cannot wait for a Tian Xia book.
26/08/2008 21:02:38 ‹Absinth› Same here, Nameless.
26/08/2008 21:02:41 ‹Majuba› Nethys was a super-divine mage type
26/08/2008 21:02:43 ‹Nameless› Can't wait to see those Chinese/Japanese-inspired myths.
26/08/2008 21:02:47 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> We're kinda doing a half-assed job on what level PCs should be during AP adventures in Second Darkness (either at the start in the small text on the Credits page or after the Adventure Summary). We're still tinkering with how best to do that, but the ELs for each encounter should help estimate until we figure it out.
26/08/2008 21:03:13 ‹Russ› I really prefer to see that information on the back covers.
26/08/2008 21:03:14 * Majuba gives everyone a wave goodnight
21:03:22 ‹popscythe› cya sir
26/08/2008 21:03:26 ‹Daigle› Have a good evening, Majuba!
26/08/2008 21:03:31 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Some regions might infer a certain PC level... but honestly, any of the nations in Golarion should work for a full 1st to 20th range of adventure.
26/08/2008 21:03:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just out of curiosity James, have you looked at the Pathfinder Society Advantures any (and I'll be really careful not to drop any spoilers, its just idle curiosity)
26/08/2008 21:03:38 ‹Blazej› Night Majuba.
26/08/2008 21:03:40 ‹Wyvern› The levels, Russ? Yes, I agree.
26/08/2008 21:03:40 ‹popscythe› That's what I'm saying
26/08/2008 21:03:56 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> Coolio. thanks.
26/08/2008 21:03:58 * Majuba quit
26/08/2008 21:04:01 ‹popscythe› about 1-20 I mean. I kinda hate it when areas are "you must be this tall" areas
26/08/2008 21:04:04 ‹Absinth› I agree with Russ. People should be able to see which level a certain adventure is for just by looking at it's cover or back cover.
26/08/2008 21:04:04 ‹Fray› Majuba> NIte
26/08/2008 21:04:19 ‹James Jacobs› Urgathoa became the first undead creature AND a deity in one fell swoop.
26/08/2008 21:04:25 ‹popscythe› Of course, that doesn't mean I'm not all for certain areas being utterly lethal to low level pcs however
26/08/2008 21:04:33 ‹Hill Giant› Like Yama
26/08/2008 21:04:40 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, that's the kind of First that deserves godhood, though.
26/08/2008 21:04:49 ‹Ross› Is he a vampire?
26/08/2008 21:04:55 ‹popscythe› she
26/08/2008 21:05:01 ‹Russ› Hmm.
26/08/2008 21:05:05 ‹popscythe› Big mamma Urgathoa
26/08/2008 21:05:06 ‹Russ› First intelligent undead?
26/08/2008 21:05:08 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I've done some editing for the first 4 that were released at Gen Con, and I approve all of the plotlines for them, so yup.
26/08/2008 21:05:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Cool
26/08/2008 21:05:26 ‹Russ› (I'm just not viewing zombies/skeletons as that big a thing, magically)
26/08/2008 21:05:29 ‹Crimson Jester› The Palid Princess
26/08/2008 21:05:31 * Majuba joins Main
26/08/2008 21:05:36 ‹James Jacobs› We do list what level the adventures are for on the back cover, in any event.
26/08/2008 21:05:41 ‹Daigle› ...and he's back
26/08/2008 21:05:49 ‹Wyvern› A quick nap!
26/08/2008 21:05:57 ‹popscythe› What say you about urgathoa, JJ? She a specific type of undead?
26/08/2008 21:06:06 * Majuba sidesteps out
26/08/2008 21:06:06 ‹popscythe› or just the progenitor or whatever
26/08/2008 21:06:09 * Majuba quit
26/08/2008 21:06:14 ‹Absinth› Guys, did any of you playtest the Celestial sorcerer bloodline? And, if so, what do you think about the Heavenly Fire ability?
26/08/2008 21:06:30 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> First undead. This was a LONG time ago... not long after the first mortals started dying, in fact. Urgahtoa's a unique undead creature, in any event.
26/08/2008 21:07:10 ‹popscythe› I think heavenly fire is fine. Not really awesome at higher levels though
26/08/2008 21:07:19 ‹James Jacobs› You can't have undead until a mortal dies. And She was the first mortal to die and then come back as undead, basically. By sneaking out of the waiting room in Pharasma's Boneyard, basically.
26/08/2008 21:07:29 ‹popscythe› It (and all the other 1st level sorc powers like it) could probably stand to scale a bit imo
26/08/2008 21:07:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, I've got to drop out . . . good talking to everyone, and thanks for answering the questions James.
26/08/2008 21:07:41 ‹Daigle› Sneaky...nice.
26/08/2008 21:07:44 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya, knight!
26/08/2008 21:07:45 ‹popscythe› haha awesome re:urgahoua
26/08/2008 21:07:47 ‹Nameless› Goodnight, Knight!
26/08/2008 21:07:50 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Knight
26/08/2008 21:07:51 ‹Blazej› Night knight.
26/08/2008 21:07:52 ‹popscythe› night knight
26/08/2008 21:07:55 ‹Rambling Scribe› Seeya KEJR!
26/08/2008 21:07:56 ‹popscythe› oh snpa
26/08/2008 21:08:00 ‹Eyebite› Night KEJR
26/08/2008 21:08:03 ‹Blazej› Yes!
26/08/2008 21:08:03 ‹Absinth› Good Night, Knight Jr.!
26/08/2008 21:08:10 ‹Fray› nite knite
26/08/2008 21:08:24 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 21:08:27 ‹popscythe› I really dig the golarion gods. Delightful
26/08/2008 21:08:45 ‹James Jacobs› Cool; glad you like them, popscythe!
26/08/2008 21:09:03 ‹Crimson Jester› SO can anyone sneak out and become an undead or did pharisma set up guards since then?
26/08/2008 21:09:23 ‹Pygon› afterlife was in Beta apparently
26/08/2008 21:09:25 ‹Hill Giant› Speaking of gods: how can Shelyn be Taldan and be around before the Earthfall?
26/08/2008 21:09:27 ‹Absinth› Yes, I agree. Golarion has one of the best (if not the best) pantheons around.
26/08/2008 21:09:45 * Daigle nods.
26/08/2008 21:09:46 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 21:09:50 ‹Justin Sluder› Crimson Jester, Pharasma was busy setting up the snack table and didn't notice someone showed up and then left without being judged.
26/08/2008 21:09:55 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> After Urgathoa escaped, Pharasma took steps to fix that problem. She was the only one to get out of line, but that let the undead genie out of the bottle.
26/08/2008 21:09:56 ‹Blazej› Pharasma probably has since install velvet ropes.
26/08/2008 21:10:07 ‹popscythe› haha
26/08/2008 21:10:10 ‹popscythe› awesome
26/08/2008 21:10:16 ‹Absinth› lol
26/08/2008 21:10:17 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL
26/08/2008 21:10:26 ‹Hill Giant› Ohh, undead genies...
26/08/2008 21:10:29 ‹popscythe› "You wanna blow this popsicle stand?" "STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM"
26/08/2008 21:10:30 ‹Hill Giant›
26/08/2008 21:10:31 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> Who is Pharasma's bouncer now?
26/08/2008 21:10:43 ‹Justin Sluder› Fray, Aroden!
26/08/2008 21:10:46 ‹Crimson Jester› No Hill Giant put the lid back on that bottle
26/08/2008 21:10:49 ‹Fray› They wish negative levels on people!
26/08/2008 21:10:54 ‹popscythe› hehe
26/08/2008 21:10:56 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> Becasue Taldor is the nation that more or less glommed on to her the hardest, and has been associated with her the most. Her ethnicity was likely something else before Taldor... but not anymore.
26/08/2008 21:11:16 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> Pharasma's bouncer is Groetus, sort of.
26/08/2008 21:11:28 ‹popscythe› Interesting
26/08/2008 21:11:31 ‹Absinth› I really missed being on this chat. There's nothing better than getting up real early and giggling in front of the computer while everyone else is still asleep.
26/08/2008 21:11:42 ‹popscythe› I can't wait to read the new blog
26/08/2008 21:11:45 ‹Fray› coolio... what level Bouncer? Is that a full progression class or a PrC?
26/08/2008 21:11:57 * CD Working joins Main
26/08/2008 21:12:02 ‹popscythe› Fray, over 9000
26/08/2008 21:12:03 ‹Daigle› Howdy CD
26/08/2008 21:12:06 ‹James Jacobs› He watches the boneyard, making sure nothing funny happens, and bides his time for the point at which the last person in line gets judged by Pharasma (this last person is, of course, Pharasma), at which point he'll swoop down and eat the boneyard and end it all.
26/08/2008 21:12:10 ‹James Jacobs› more or less
26/08/2008 21:12:11 ‹Nameless› Hey CD.
26/08/2008 21:12:12 ‹Justin Sluder› Pharasma: "Listen here you unruly souls! You see the big scary guy sleeping in the corner? Behave or I'll wake him up!"
26/08/2008 21:12:20 ‹CD Working› g'day Daigle,
26/08/2008 21:12:22 ‹CD Working› Nameless, ?
26/08/2008 21:12:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› Okay folks I'm passing out at the keyboard. Have a good night!
26/08/2008 21:12:31 ‹popscythe› byia!
26/08/2008 21:12:33 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya, Scribe!
26/08/2008 21:12:35 ‹Daigle› Take care, Scribbles!
26/08/2008 21:12:37 ‹CD Working› bye Rambling Scribe,
26/08/2008 21:12:39 ‹Pygon› gnite Scribe
26/08/2008 21:12:44 ‹Hill Giant› 'night Scribe
26/08/2008 21:12:44 ‹Crimson Jester› Hi CD
26/08/2008 21:12:47 ‹popscythe› hey so where do I actually go to read the blog?
26/08/2008 21:12:48 ‹Blazej› Night Scribe.
26/08/2008 21:12:53 ‹Nameless› CD Working, ??
26/08/2008 21:12:55 ‹Absinth› Bye, Rambling Scribe!
26/08/2008 21:12:56 ‹Pygon› so Pharasma judges herself and triggers it... hmm
26/08/2008 21:13:03 ‹Rambling Scribe›
26/08/2008 21:13:05 ‹James Jacobs› http://paizo.com/paizo/blog
26/08/2008 21:13:07 ‹Daigle› pop, there's a blog link at the header of the site
26/08/2008 21:13:08 ‹Justin Sluder› popscythe, http://paizo.com/paizo/blog
26/08/2008 21:13:09 ‹Eyebite› Night Scribe
26/08/2008 21:13:11 ‹Daigle› Or that
26/08/2008 21:13:11 ‹Nameless› Later Rambling Scribe!
26/08/2008 21:13:14 ‹popscythe› awesome, thanks gents
26/08/2008 21:13:15 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> So... Pharasma has a Godzilla outside waiting to come in... coool!
26/08/2008 21:13:26 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> That's the legend. It hasn't happened yet, so who knows how it'll REALLY go down...
26/08/2008 21:13:33 ‹Fray› nite scribe
26/08/2008 21:13:34 ‹CD Working› Nameless, I would like to know who I'm saying hello to
26/08/2008 21:13:37 ‹Blazej› Fray, or Pac Man.
26/08/2008 21:13:48 ‹Nameless› CD Working, oh, that'll be tough to pin down.
26/08/2008 21:13:54 ‹James Jacobs› The Void Domain blogpost should go up in 3 hours, in theory.
26/08/2008 21:13:58 ‹Fray› Blazej> hahaha or better Sinistar!
26/08/2008 21:14:06 ‹CD Working› that was the point of the?
26/08/2008 21:14:14 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 21:14:14 ‹popscythe› so awesome
26/08/2008 21:14:19 ‹Blazej›
26/08/2008 21:14:20 ‹Wyvern› Too tired... can't keep up with the scrolling text... see ya guys... have a good evening.
26/08/2008 21:14:23 * Fray hears an, "I Hunger" off in the distance.
26/08/2008 21:14:28 ‹Pygon› gnite Wyvern
26/08/2008 21:14:28 ‹popscythe› I'm very excited.. and additionally have nothing to do for three hours
26/08/2008 21:14:30 ‹Fray› ntie Wyv
26/08/2008 21:14:33 ‹Nameless› CD Working, yeah, I'm following now, heh. Sorry 'bout that.
26/08/2008 21:14:34 ‹Justin Sluder› cya Wyvern
26/08/2008 21:14:34 ‹Daigle› Have a good one, Wyvern
26/08/2008 21:14:40 ‹James Jacobs› G'night, Wyvern!
26/08/2008 21:14:41 ‹Nameless› Later Wyvern!
26/08/2008 21:14:43 ‹CD Working› bye wyvern
26/08/2008 21:14:44 ‹Eyebite› Night Wyvern
26/08/2008 21:14:45 ‹popscythe› I'm just building npcs for our game saturday
26/08/2008 21:14:50 ‹Absinth› Fray, that's probably me. I'm starving...
26/08/2008 21:14:50 ‹popscythe› bye wyv!
26/08/2008 21:14:54 ‹Blazej› And the end times shall come, the song of end times shall spread over the multiverse!
26/08/2008 21:15:01 ‹Crimson Jester› Night Wyvern
26/08/2008 21:15:02 ‹Blazej› Wakka! Wakka! Wakka!
26/08/2008 21:15:09 ‹Lazaro› I LIVE!
26/08/2008 21:15:16 ‹popscythe› And it shall be the Final Countdown
26/08/2008 21:15:16 ‹Pygon› bewooweeoweeoweeo wok wok
26/08/2008 21:15:19 ‹popscythe› wb Laz
26/08/2008 21:15:22 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> Any thoughts around about 'fixing' high level play for PFRPG?
26/08/2008 21:15:30 * Justin Sluder runs away from Lazaro screaming
26/08/2008 21:15:33 ‹popscythe› Everyone jump fray
26/08/2008 21:15:41 ‹Absinth› Popscythe: Nooooo!
26/08/2008 21:15:43 ‹CD Working› Daigle, I saw your pic on the paizo blog, now your a famous author
26/08/2008 21:15:45 ‹popscythe› it's sock party time on the blasphemer
26/08/2008 21:15:57 ‹popscythe› hehe j/k
26/08/2008 21:16:06 ‹Fray› Blazej> Groetus playing Air Guitar during the song
26/08/2008 21:16:08 ‹Daigle› A less unknown something perhaps, CD
26/08/2008 21:16:15 ‹Nameless› Alright, time for me to head out as well... Good night, all!
26/08/2008 21:16:18 ‹Russ› I'm somewhat disheartened to see 19th century technology in Golarion, specifically percussion caps. Anyone else?
26/08/2008 21:16:20 ‹Absinth› Final Countdown is just too cruel...
26/08/2008 21:16:25 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Nameless.
26/08/2008 21:16:25 ‹CD Working› bye Nameless,
26/08/2008 21:16:26 ‹Pygon› bye Nameless
26/08/2008 21:16:28 ‹Fray› Nite name
26/08/2008 21:16:29 ‹Justin Sluder› cya Nameless
26/08/2008 21:16:30 ‹Blazej› I like.
26/08/2008 21:16:34 ‹Blazej› Night Nameless.
26/08/2008 21:16:41 ‹Crimson Jester› Love the option of guns
26/08/2008 21:16:44 ‹CD Working› Daigle, go with the famous
26/08/2008 21:16:49 ‹Fray› Russ> I haven't read taht chapter yet...
26/08/2008 21:16:53 ‹Daigle› Sure
26/08/2008 21:16:53 ‹Justin Sluder› Russ, could be worse
26/08/2008 21:16:56 ‹Fray› I like the feat though
26/08/2008 21:16:59 ‹popscythe› I didn't mind the anachronistic nature of the firearms technology simply because I assume that magic sciences have advanced science itself
26/08/2008 21:17:08 ‹Fray› Could be gattling guns
26/08/2008 21:17:14 ‹Russ› I mean, at that point printing should be up to lithographs
26/08/2008 21:17:15 ‹popscythe› Could be bolter pistols
26/08/2008 21:17:18 ‹popscythe› could be a lot of things
26/08/2008 21:17:21 ‹popscythe› hehe
26/08/2008 21:17:31 ‹CD Working› Daigle, you've been in print in Australia
26/08/2008 21:17:32 ‹Crimson Jester› as long as it isnt ray guns im fine
26/08/2008 21:17:39 ‹popscythe› Russ, Who says it isn't?
26/08/2008 21:17:42 ‹Absinth› What feat are you talking about?
26/08/2008 21:17:44 ‹Fray› Don't Taze Me Hellknight!
26/08/2008 21:17:50 ‹popscythe› I imagined a bit of industrial technology
26/08/2008 21:17:52 ‹Daigle› One of my players was looking through my CS Sunday and went, "Aww man, they put guns in there?" followed by a little bit of silence, then "Oh...cool."
26/08/2008 21:17:56 ‹Russ› pop - movable type is mention, but that's 800 years older
26/08/2008 21:18:06 ‹Fray› Daigle> hahha
26/08/2008 21:18:08 * Nameless quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 21:18:16 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> The problem, as I see it, with high level play is that there's just too many choices for PCs on what to do. The BEST way to fix it would be to have lower level powers and spells go away, I suppose, or to "morph" into higher level powers... but that wreaks havoc on backwards compatability.
26/08/2008 21:18:17 * Justin Sluder hides his fireball flinging deringer of doom so Crimson Jester doesn't take it away
26/08/2008 21:18:18 ‹popscythe› Ah, I see. Perhaps the cantrip that lets you copy text has made printing obselete?
26/08/2008 21:18:23 ‹Russ› I was borderline ok with the guns (particularly in a dead magic zone), but not with percussion caps and revolvers.
26/08/2008 21:18:28 ‹popscythe› I did a bit for my weekly game about a cleric scribing service
26/08/2008 21:18:34 ‹Russ› pops - that contrip is non-OGL
26/08/2008 21:18:48 ‹Russ› I'm dubious of the idea that gunpowder is "rare"
26/08/2008 21:19:00 ‹Russ› If it's gunpowder, the components aren't rare. If it's not gunpowder, don't call it that.
26/08/2008 21:19:04 ‹popscythe› Yeah well.. you really going to say "No, you arn't allowed to copy text if you want"?
26/08/2008 21:19:20 ‹CD Working› what are the guns in?
26/08/2008 21:19:23 ‹Fray› Clerics with DRM!
26/08/2008 21:19:25 ‹Fray›
26/08/2008 21:19:28 ‹Pygon› CD - the campaign setting
26/08/2008 21:19:33 ‹Fray› CS
26/08/2008 21:19:36 ‹popscythe› hehe fray
26/08/2008 21:19:37 ‹Russ› Copying a text is not cantrip material, IMO
26/08/2008 21:19:42 ‹CD Working› Pygon, which one?
26/08/2008 21:19:50 ‹Pygon› the hardcover one
26/08/2008 21:19:50 ‹popscythe› What really? But killing a man instantly is?
26/08/2008 21:19:59 ‹Fray› Cantrips are not approved by the CRIAA
26/08/2008 21:20:11 ‹Russ› I'd probably make copying text 2nd level, on the logic that it is easier to destroy than to create
26/08/2008 21:20:12 ‹Crimson Jester› guns are rare the ingrediants for gunpowder isnt
26/08/2008 21:20:20 ‹Fray› But heneeded killing
26/08/2008 21:20:32 ‹Russ› CJ - the PFCS says otherwise
26/08/2008 21:20:45 ‹Absinth› I guess 2nd would be a little over the top.
26/08/2008 21:20:47 ‹Fray› Russ> that'ssound logic there
26/08/2008 21:20:53 ‹Crimson Jester› I must have skipped that part
26/08/2008 21:20:55 ‹popscythe› I felt like restricting the copying to being directly from one text to the other put it in cantrip line
26/08/2008 21:20:57 ‹CD Working› I'm old fashion, no guns in my games
26/08/2008 21:21:00 ‹James Jacobs› Guns are going to be rare mostly because I'm probably not gonna let any more see print, to be honest. (Yes, sometimes the power goes to my head...)
26/08/2008 21:21:06 ‹Absinth› Okay, depends on the amount of text to be copied...
26/08/2008 21:21:25 ‹popscythe› that's why it's a per caster level deal with copying
26/08/2008 21:21:28 ‹Crimson Jester› does your hat size increase as well James?
26/08/2008 21:21:39 ‹popscythe› hehe james is a gun hater
26/08/2008 21:21:41 ‹James Jacobs› My hat size is already at the maximum level.
26/08/2008 21:21:47 ‹Russ› Pops - making an exact copy of something is pretty impressive magic. Given that making something from whole cloth is something like 4th level...
26/08/2008 21:21:59 ‹popscythe› 0 level
26/08/2008 21:22:03 ‹popscythe› Prestidigitation
26/08/2008 21:22:18 ‹James Jacobs› Guns are okay in the right setting. Freeport & Warcraft, for example, do guns VERY well. So does Iron Kingdoms. That's not the type of world we necessarilly want Golarion to be, though.
26/08/2008 21:22:24 ‹Crimson Jester› we have a hat store here that sells em real big
26/08/2008 21:22:25 ‹Russ› That'll make a copy that lasts for an hour, and probably won't copy any faster than you can write by hand
26/08/2008 21:22:26 ‹popscythe› Permanently soil or clean an object or create stuff 1 hour/level
26/08/2008 21:22:35 * Absinth imagines James looking like the big floating head guy from the early F4 comics
26/08/2008 21:22:46 ‹Pygon› James - I think many of us are glad that there is a central control of what is allowed into Golarion
26/08/2008 21:22:47 ‹Ross› popscythe, creating crude stuff. Not copying text.
26/08/2008 21:22:49 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: At the same time, we want Golarion to "have something for everyone," and to allow a GM to run the kind of game he or she wants, so the gun option is in there.
26/08/2008 21:22:55 ‹popscythe› Soil being refined to "directly copy under these set conditions" doesn't strike me as outlandish
26/08/2008 21:23:00 ‹Russ› James - so what led to the decision to go from Renaissance firearms all the way up to the industrial revolution?
26/08/2008 21:23:11 ‹jmberaldo› Mmmm... whats up with the eyeless kraken showing u´p on the timeline? Mysteries for the near future or just some red hering?
26/08/2008 21:23:12 ‹popscythe› Right, I know that presti doesn't cover it.. but I was citing it as a levelr
26/08/2008 21:23:13 ‹Blazej› I'm fine with guns in my Golarion game, however I would want them to remain very rare.
26/08/2008 21:23:15 ‹James Jacobs› It's an easy thing to swing open the floodgates on guns in Golarion, but that's a choice each GM will need to make, basically.
26/08/2008 21:23:16 ‹Ross› popscythe, refining it is what makes it a higher level spell.
26/08/2008 21:23:17 ‹popscythe› *leveler
26/08/2008 21:23:44 ‹Russ› So you'd be okay with a cantrip that wove a blanket? Kind of the same thing.
26/08/2008 21:23:58 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Basically... that there are some cool things in the industrial revolution that we wanted to include.
26/08/2008 21:24:10 ‹James Jacobs› Golarion isn't an attempt to mimic real-world technological timelines.
21:24:23 ‹popscythe› Only if the cantrip only wove an exact copy of another blanket and you had to be touching them both at the same time
26/08/2008 21:24:25 ‹Absinth› Jmberaldo, I was a little curious too about this entry. Is something obscure like this important enough to gain an entry in the time line?
26/08/2008 21:24:30 ‹popscythe› And you had to provide the materials
26/08/2008 21:24:33 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Eyeless kraken are indeed some long-range foreshadowing.
26/08/2008 21:24:46 ‹jmberaldo› tam tam taaaaaaam
26/08/2008 21:24:53 ‹Ross› popscythe, that would make most crafting obsolete.
26/08/2008 21:24:58 ‹Russ› Hmm. Still about 2 centuries more advanced that I care to see in Fantasy, but I'll be chosing the path of de-emphasizing, as you mentioned is our option.
26/08/2008 21:25:05 ‹Ross› Because you could copy just about anything by that logic.
26/08/2008 21:25:08 ‹Russ› (and two very advancement rich centuries, at that)
26/08/2008 21:25:25 ‹James Jacobs› The timeline entries are basically a combination of red herrings and story ideas for us to build future adventures and adventure paths out of.
26/08/2008 21:25:38 ‹popscythe› I don't think so. Not everyone wants the exact same blanket and for every wizard or whoever making blankets there's ten thousand who say "f this, I'm going out to use my magic powers"
26/08/2008 21:25:39 ‹Russ› I don't see copying as being that much easier, magically, than creating from scratch
26/08/2008 21:25:46 ‹Hill Giant› Alkenstars pretty old though, isn't it?
26/08/2008 21:25:52 ‹popscythe› Then you've never spent time scribing my friend
26/08/2008 21:26:02 ‹popscythe› Copying text is like autopilot, it's not at all like writing new text
26/08/2008 21:26:07 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yup; exactly as it should be. We're trying to keep most of Golarion relatively compartmentalized so it's easy to ignore the parts one might not want.
26/08/2008 21:26:28 ‹Absinth› .
26/08/2008 21:26:34 ‹Russ› I like the gun kingdom a fair bit. Especially the bombard, bombards are underused in fantasy.
26/08/2008 21:26:46 ‹popscythe› hehe I agree there for sure
26/08/2008 21:26:49 ‹Russ› Fear being near the mountain gun when they roll double 1s
26/08/2008 21:27:05 ‹James Jacobs› Of course... the "gun kingdom" is more like the "gun city."
26/08/2008 21:27:14 ‹Russ› Pops - but FIVE LEVELS easier seems rather extreme.
26/08/2008 21:27:19 ‹Blazej› You heard him.
26/08/2008 21:27:24 ‹Blazej› Alkenstar is a gun.
26/08/2008 21:27:29 ‹Russ› And I've copied lots of text, I was a naughty schoolkid.
26/08/2008 21:27:30 ‹popscythe› haha
26/08/2008 21:27:39 ‹Daigle› One. Big. Gun.
26/08/2008 21:27:42 ‹jmberaldo› reminds me of the old CoC rulesbook with timelines of weird events
26/08/2008 21:27:54 ‹popscythe› And did you have the ability to create items for short times or clean the chalkboard permenantly with magic powers?
26/08/2008 21:27:55 ‹Russ› "Why do I feel like I'm walking down the barrel of a gun"
26/08/2008 21:28:07 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Exactly! That was actually one of the inspirations for me for the entries I put into the timeline.
26/08/2008 21:28:29 ‹popscythe› That's my point. If you could have prestidigitated your chalkboard clean, or your chores, you definitely would have tried to come up with a way to ease other common tasks like copying text
26/08/2008 21:28:35 ‹Russ› Pops - make up your mind what you argument is. You said I must not have copied text, because I didn't think it was that much easier than writing new words. I said I've copied text. That's how I got there, k?
26/08/2008 21:28:40 ‹Crimson Jester› Must . Read . Timelines
26/08/2008 21:29:06 ‹Russ› Just because something can be done with magic doesn't make it a cantrip, though. And creating things is respectable magic.
26/08/2008 21:29:12 ‹popscythe› Forgive me if it seemed like I was arguing, my friend. Just a friendly debate.
26/08/2008 21:29:32 ‹jmberaldo› JJ> Excellent! I always loved using this one-liners and actual weird events for adventures
26/08/2008 21:29:40 ‹Daigle› Now I want to see some hugs.
26/08/2008 21:29:44 ‹Daigle›
26/08/2008 21:29:46 ‹popscythe› I just simply don't agree that copying text from one source directly to another and having to provide ink and paper is the same as minor creation
26/08/2008 21:29:51 ‹Russ› Why wouldn't "erase" be a cantrip if it is that easy to copy?
21:30:04 ‹Fray› Daigle
26/08/2008 21:30:06 ‹jmberaldo› one party still never figured out what the cult was trying to release from under London's docks during the dynamite attacks
26/08/2008 21:30:08 ‹Fray› Daigle
26/08/2008 21:30:21 ‹popscythe› Because erase doesn't destroy the paper. You could "Erase" with acid orb all day every day
26/08/2008 21:30:31 ‹Russ› It isn't - minor creation is 4th. The difference between 2nd and 4th is the different between blur and great invis.
26/08/2008 21:30:41 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Ah, dynamite. The solution to so many CoC adventures. Or should I say... the END to so many CoC adventures.
26/08/2008 21:30:49 ‹Fray› and a difference of 2
26/08/2008 21:30:59 ‹jmberaldo› heheheh indeed
26/08/2008 21:31:09 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> dynamite or San loss... you choose
26/08/2008 21:31:22 ‹Crimson Jester› Dynamite!
26/08/2008 21:31:22 ‹Russ› I also wouldn't approve of a basket weaving cantrip
26/08/2008 21:31:24 ‹popscythe› I think that's simply because nothing else quite fits besides a plotline solution.
26/08/2008 21:31:41 ‹popscythe› That's why lovecraft's characters were nearly all writing from beyond the grave or some such
26/08/2008 21:31:49 ‹popscythe› asylum, etc
26/08/2008 21:31:51 ‹James Jacobs› San loss usually leads to dynamite
26/08/2008 21:31:53 ‹Fray›
26/08/2008 21:31:53 ‹Russ› Yes, no dynamite please
26/08/2008 21:31:53 ‹popscythe› I love me some coc
26/08/2008 21:31:55 ‹popscythe› haha
26/08/2008 21:32:03 ‹Blazej› Spellcheck cantrip?
26/08/2008 21:32:07 ‹Crimson Jester› although I seem to rememebr someone saying not to nuke R'leh because we didnt want to let Cthulhu loose, pissed off and Radioactive
26/08/2008 21:32:11 ‹jmberaldo› "I'm not going back there! That something on the basement ate Bobs' face!" ::a few minutes later...: <<BOOM>> "Case closed"
26/08/2008 21:32:24 ‹Russ› Shotguns, the investigator's secret weapon
26/08/2008 21:32:26 ‹popscythe› Did you ever read the ww2 era coc adventure where they nuked cthulhu?
26/08/2008 21:32:29 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> Have you seen Monsterpocalyse? (at genCon?)
26/08/2008 21:32:34 ‹popscythe› Awesome. "Sorry, he's back."
26/08/2008 21:32:42 ‹James Jacobs› That's sort of a line from the Chaosium rulebook: "Do nukes work on Cthulhu? Sort of; they destroy him, but he reforms a few minutes later and now he's radioactive."
26/08/2008 21:32:59 ‹popscythe› I see your point Russ. It's good to hear another opinion on the matter.
26/08/2008 21:33:05 ‹Pygon› thing's worse than Chuck Norris.
26/08/2008 21:33:13 ‹Crimson Jester› I rhink that was where they got the idea
26/08/2008 21:33:16 ‹Fray› > Chuck
26/08/2008 21:33:17 ‹jmberaldo› you know whats great? Cthulhupunk
26/08/2008 21:33:19 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> I didn't get a chance to look at it at Gen Con (didn't get a chance to do MUCH aside from work at the booth, in fact), but it seems like it's pretty nifty.
26/08/2008 21:33:21 ‹David› heh
26/08/2008 21:33:34 ‹popscythe› If cthulhu has five dollars and you have five dollars, cthulhu has more dollars than you (because the denominations are all wrong)
26/08/2008 21:33:37 ‹Russ› Mainly I don't want to see cantrips that render large portions of the economy obsolete
26/08/2008 21:33:38 ‹popscythe› haha
26/08/2008 21:33:39 ‹Fray› James Jacobs,> They have a Cthul faction!
26/08/2008 21:33:44 ‹jmberaldo› on the timeline, I believe they mention a supercarrier tried to take Cthulhu down
26/08/2008 21:33:51 ‹jmberaldo› or is it an example...^?
26/08/2008 21:33:55 ‹Russ› Create water - not so much a problem,. Have you seen how long it takes a church to fill a swimming pool?
26/08/2008 21:34:01 * jmberaldo searchs his infinite library
26/08/2008 21:34:02 ‹Absinth› .
26/08/2008 21:34:03 ‹Crimson Jester›
26/08/2008 21:34:18 ‹James Jacobs› There was a series of August Derleth stories that had plot elements like that; nuking R'lyeh and such.
26/08/2008 21:34:27 ‹James Jacobs› That may be where that's coming from.
26/08/2008 21:34:27 ‹Pygon› he's apparently vulnerable to boats though.
26/08/2008 21:34:35 ‹popscythe› But when you're considering what would "replace common crafting" consider that infinite water could be used to make inifinite power and mine infinitely
26/08/2008 21:34:37 ‹James Jacobs› Especially steam boats.
26/08/2008 21:35:00 ‹David› who isn't?
26/08/2008 21:35:01 ‹Pygon› I'm still not sure what exactly happened there - like he plowed through him or something
26/08/2008 21:35:03 ‹popscythe› The entire world could be created of concrete tunnels if create water were applied by the 28 wisdom craft skill having clerics that go running around Golarion
26/08/2008 21:35:21 ‹jmberaldo› sometimes I miss a "search" command on paper books
26/08/2008 21:35:30 ‹Daigle›
26/08/2008 21:35:35 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> They just powered into his head and he, being made of not-earthly flesh, burst into mist and then reformed once the boat came out the other side.
26/08/2008 21:35:59 * jmberaldo , the 21st century historian
26/08/2008 21:36:17 * Ross hasn't played CoC. Why is dynamite a big deal?
26/08/2008 21:36:24 ‹Fray› http://i35.tinypic.com/9sgig4.jpg
26/08/2008 21:36:28 ‹jmberaldo› because it blows up?
26/08/2008 21:36:29 ‹James Jacobs› Because it does a lot of damage and is easy to get ahold of.
26/08/2008 21:36:29 ‹Crimson Jester› it kills things
26/08/2008 21:36:29 ‹Pygon› *scratches head* ok - then he just fell back asleep or something? I dunno. I only started reading LC last month
26/08/2008 21:36:37 ‹Fray› Cthulhu comic ^
26/08/2008 21:36:41 ‹popscythe› Nobody can kill the monsters in coc
26/08/2008 21:36:46 ‹Hill Giant› Being a 21st century historian must be really easy - that's not even 8 years.
26/08/2008 21:36:51 ‹James Jacobs› And because a lot of the tougher monsters are immune to a lot of things like bullets and normal weapons, but explosives work pretty well.
26/08/2008 21:36:57 ‹popscythe› so they always dynamite them and seal them inside things
26/08/2008 21:37:10 ‹James Jacobs› If combat breaks out in CoC... the group has probably made a terrible error, basically.
26/08/2008 21:37:14 ‹James Jacobs› It's awesome.
26/08/2008 21:37:16 ‹popscythe› hehe
26/08/2008 21:37:20 ‹James Jacobs› It's anti-D&D.
26/08/2008 21:37:45 * jmberaldo bangs HG over the head with a random book
26/08/2008 21:37:57 ‹Fray› ok, go read my link above ^!
26/08/2008 21:38:04 ‹Pygon› hope it wasn't Ptolus
26/08/2008 21:38:09 ‹Justin Sluder› Fray,
26/08/2008 21:38:14 ‹Fray›
26/08/2008 21:38:24 ‹Ross› (An aside: My cat is adorable. Dumb as a stump, but adorable)
26/08/2008 21:38:36 ‹Absinth› Yes, totally anti-D&D. It's always fun to see D&D players entering CoC games with there "it moves, kill it" attitude...
26/08/2008 21:38:46 ‹Fray› Justin Sluder> My fave comic! He did a few more good ones too. A true fan.
26/08/2008 21:38:58 ‹popscythe› That's what was so funny about the wizard's coc
26/08/2008 21:39:02 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> It's true. Mike McArtor kinda took that role in the office game. He was, of course, the first to die.
26/08/2008 21:39:12 ‹popscythe› They tried to hit a medium and ended up missing the target altogether
26/08/2008 21:39:17 ‹David› night peoples!
26/08/2008 21:39:19 ‹Fray› They also sold a tshirt. Cthulhu face. "Sell your soul for a cookie?"
26/08/2008 21:39:21 ‹popscythe› night D
26/08/2008 21:39:24 ‹Pygon› gnite David
26/08/2008 21:39:25 ‹Daigle› Night David!
26/08/2008 21:39:25 ‹Eyebite› Night David
26/08/2008 21:39:32 ‹Fray› nite dave
26/08/2008 21:39:33 ‹popscythe› aww comon, that's totally nyarlathotep
26/08/2008 21:39:38 ‹jmberaldo› ah, here... end of the Cthulhu entry on Cthulhupunk
26/08/2008 21:39:39 ‹popscythe› cthulhu doesn't buy anything let alone souls
26/08/2008 21:39:41 ‹Absinth› lol Having characters die early seems to be Mike's eternal fate...
21:39:58 * David is waiting for his battery to die...
26/08/2008 21:40:20 ‹Hill Giant› Cthulhu saves souls... in case he's hungry later
26/08/2008 21:40:32 ‹popscythe› speaking of, I had a player die twice in this weeks game... Once to 9 mohrgs who all hit him in one round and then again to the sorc's advanced flesh golem
26/08/2008 21:40:40 ‹popscythe› He was *pissed*
26/08/2008 21:40:47 ‹jmberaldo› "(...)There is no known force which can permanently destroy Cthulhu - even if he is caught at ground zero of an H-bomb explosion, he will reform in 10 to 20 minutos, only he'll be radioactive."
26/08/2008 21:40:48 ‹James Jacobs› Heh
26/08/2008 21:40:57 ‹popscythe› awesome
26/08/2008 21:41:19 ‹popscythe› I've rolled two 01%s on that flesh golem so far
26/08/2008 21:41:29 ‹popscythe› That's exactly what he gets for making a 27 hd flesh golem
26/08/2008 21:41:33 ‹Pygon› pop - if you're in a position to get hit by 9 things, you moved wrong methinks
26/08/2008 21:41:43 ‹jmberaldo› I guess the carrier bit was my old brain mixing that part with the backcover illustration of the big C reaching for a line cruiser
26/08/2008 21:41:45 ‹James Jacobs› Speaking of Mike McArtor... he had a record like that. His dwarf was killed by a howling dragon in Jason Nelson's FR game. We resurrected him, but he died the very next round because the howling dragon's clinging breath did him in.
26/08/2008 21:41:54 ‹Ross› popscythe, except the Sorc didn't get it. The rest of the party did.
26/08/2008 21:41:55 ‹popscythe› hehe
26/08/2008 21:41:56 ‹James Jacobs› Killed twice in a row in one combat.
26/08/2008 21:41:57 ‹Pygon› hehe
26/08/2008 21:42:04 ‹jmberaldo› hehehehe
26/08/2008 21:42:11 ‹popscythe› awesome
26/08/2008 21:42:39 ‹popscythe› Killing pc's is awesome. I've got mixed feelings about the new raise dead not deleveling characters because it makes character death less meaningful sorta
26/08/2008 21:42:40 * David quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 21:42:40 * David quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 21:42:40 ‹Justin Sluder› > > >
26/08/2008 21:42:41 ‹Crimson Jester› I had a dwarf like that....they gave him a nickname Yoyo
26/08/2008 21:42:56 ‹popscythe› but on the other hand, my pcs are still just as pissed when they die, even though they're probably comin' right back
26/08/2008 21:43:18 ‹Pygon› at least death still means something to them
26/08/2008 21:43:29 ‹Russ› Level loss works so freakin' badly, though
26/08/2008 21:43:31 ‹Fray› I almost killed my party in CotCT, end of book #1... but they ended with less than 5hp's each and a blind Paladin
26/08/2008 21:43:43 ‹popscythe› Exactly. I guess I'm lucky that they haven't started playing bioshock with thier characters and just hurling them at obstacles over and over again
26/08/2008 21:44:07 ‹popscythe› yeah that fleshie nearly wiped the party, dim door and shadow fade saved them.. barely
26/08/2008 21:44:57 ‹James Jacobs› Delevling characters who die isn't good game design, though. It basically just creates a self-fufilling death spiral since the ones who die become more likely to die the next time.
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26/08/2008 21:45:10 ‹James Jacobs› The gp cost of raising someone from the dead is, I think, enough.
26/08/2008 21:45:17 ‹popscythe› I
26/08/2008 21:45:34 ‹popscythe› 've split the difference by limiting raises to con or cha mod
26/08/2008 21:45:51 ‹popscythe› Then I start giving them "saves to live"
26/08/2008 21:46:13 ‹Ross› Raise dead is one of the unfortunate places where worldbuilding and gamebuilding collide head-on.
26/08/2008 21:46:13 ‹popscythe› the minotaur's soul disintegrated into the ambient energies of the plane after the like fifth time he ate it
26/08/2008 21:46:15 ‹Pygon› at least the Beta sets a price on raising them then another for getting them back to full working order
26/08/2008 21:46:44 ‹Pygon› but it always takes a cleric...
26/08/2008 21:46:45 ‹James Jacobs› My philosophy: It should be hard to raise the dead or come back from death, but it should be relatively easy to prevent PC death. I prefer to use hero points awarded for good play that are then cashed into avoid terrible fates, or spells like close wounds or cure deadly wounds that can heal someone from beyond death if the healing happens FAST.
26/08/2008 21:47:00 ‹jmberaldo› Im all for the story, so I cheat if that death comes in a bad moment, be it a PC or a NPC. Especially if it was simply player's bad luck
26/08/2008 21:47:05 ‹James Jacobs› It's more interesting to me to see the story go forward than to see players changing characters all the time.
26/08/2008 21:47:07 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, so you use bennies/action points.
26/08/2008 21:47:17 ‹jmberaldo› JJ> exactly
26/08/2008 21:47:35 ‹popscythe› I agree, but I'm really not fond of things you can spend to change dice rolls
26/08/2008 21:47:37 ‹jmberaldo› Ive seen players almost cry when their chars died in the middle of a tense campaign
26/08/2008 21:47:48 ‹Russ› *nods* I like the delay death spell, it keeps it scary, but takes a lot of the incidental deaths away
26/08/2008 21:47:57 ‹Absinth› .
26/08/2008 21:47:57 ‹Pygon› my Savage Tide DM decided to remove general use Action Points because we were using them to make our saving throws rather than avoid death
26/08/2008 21:48:02 ‹jmberaldo› but also those who actually were happy because they knew their chars died in a meaningful way
26/08/2008 21:48:03 ‹Justin Sluder› okay, time for me to crash
26/08/2008 21:48:05 ‹Justin Sluder› have fun all
26/08/2008 21:48:07 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. Hero cards, to be exact. Every PC gets his or her own card, with a customized to their character image, when they do something awesome, or when the group accomplishes a major goal. They can spend hero cards to save PCs or to ensure successes or whatever.
26/08/2008 21:48:10 ‹Pygon› gnite Justin
26/08/2008 21:48:14 ‹Daigle› Take care Justin!
26/08/2008 21:48:16 ‹popscythe› later Justin!
26/08/2008 21:48:19 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, thanks for stopping by
26/08/2008 21:48:22 ‹Justin Sluder› g'night all
26/08/2008 21:48:23 ‹jmberaldo› Cool
26/08/2008 21:48:34 * Justin Sluder waves goodnight to everyone
26/08/2008 21:48:34 ‹Eyebite› Night Justin
26/08/2008 21:48:38 * NetAdmin Lilith is AFC quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 21:48:38 ‹James Jacobs› It doesn't change die roles to spend a hero card. They still make the rolls. The hero card just SUPERCHARGES the result.
26/08/2008 21:48:41 ‹popscythe› peace man
26/08/2008 21:48:41 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin the er
26/08/2008 21:49:03 ‹jmberaldo› JJ> Ive written a short article about something like that for a brazilian rpg website a while back, with a simple house rule for that sort of thing
26/08/2008 21:49:03 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> Nice! When is paizo making those again?
26/08/2008 21:49:15 ‹popscythe› Yeah, I'm just not cool with characters being able to choose when they do well (more or less). Even if those choices are rare, nobody ever chooses to die
26/08/2008 21:49:18 ‹popscythe› Why would you?
26/08/2008 21:49:37 ‹jmberaldo› nothing like the player rolling a 1 as he leaps from the high tower on the dragon's neck for the kill
26/08/2008 21:49:43 ‹popscythe› If you can choose to win sometimes, why not choose to do away with dice altogether and go allocation based play?
26/08/2008 21:49:57 ‹Russ› I've been using points as a reroll at +4.
26/08/2008 21:50:14 ‹Fray› Reminds me of Castle Faulkenstein and Deadlands with teh use of chips or cards to help you do something with more pinaché
26/08/2008 21:50:18 ‹Russ› Works for me.
26/08/2008 21:50:26 ‹popscythe› True 20 has that system too
26/08/2008 21:50:30 ‹popscythe› As does modern, I believe
26/08/2008 21:50:36 ‹jmberaldo› Its not like simply deciding when do things without a roll
26/08/2008 21:50:41 ‹Fray› Just play Amber while you're at ti
26/08/2008 21:50:51 ‹jmberaldo› a Hero point/card/whatever is an asset, a resource like a spell slot, ammo, etc
26/08/2008 21:50:58 ‹popscythe› It's a metagame asset
26/08/2008 21:51:02 ‹jmberaldo› the players needs to know when to use them
26/08/2008 21:51:04 ‹Pygon› James - any idea which week in September PF14 will arrive?
26/08/2008 21:51:09 ‹Fray› and when to hold them
26/08/2008 21:51:11 ‹jmberaldo› just like dice
26/08/2008 21:51:11 ‹popscythe› Which is exactly my point. Metgame anything is yucky
26/08/2008 21:51:16 ‹Fray› and when to run
26/08/2008 21:51:24 ‹popscythe› Dice are not an asset, the dice are your enemy
26/08/2008 21:51:29 ‹jmberaldo› heheh
26/08/2008 21:51:38 ‹Fray› dice are meta
26/08/2008 21:51:38 ‹popscythe› You can't go "Okay I'm getting my good dice" and expect that to have a meaningful result
26/08/2008 21:51:41 ‹James Jacobs› popscythe> The thing is, a PC never has more than a couple hero cards, really, so he CAN choose when he does well... but he's borrowing against an unforseen future to do so. By limiting the hero cards, he basically gets to decide how it all goes down. It works very well to simulate the concept that PCs are destined for greatness, not for humiliating ends due to random bad die rolls.
26/08/2008 21:51:41 ‹Daigle› Fray, don't count your hero points while you're sittin' at the table.
26/08/2008 21:52:09 * Fray counts them when the game is done
26/08/2008 21:52:12 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not sure... but I suspect PF 14 will be going out sometime in the middle of the month.
26/08/2008 21:52:16 ‹Daigle›
26/08/2008 21:52:23 ‹Pygon› thanks
26/08/2008 21:52:34 ‹Ross› popscythe, I like my good dice!
26/08/2008 21:52:39 ‹Eyebite› at the random Kenny Rogers reference
26/08/2008 21:52:42 * Hill Giant changes his/her nickname to HG is Closing
26/08/2008 21:52:45 ‹James Jacobs› popscythe> it's a game though. I don't mind metagame play. As long as rules are involved, metagame stuff is actually kind of unavoidable.
26/08/2008 21:52:46 ‹jmberaldo› I still didnt get my PF 12 and 13
26/08/2008 21:52:48 ‹popscythe› Imo James, I really think that if every character avoids humiliating defeat at the hands of random chance, there should be 29 level 20 characters in every town, having survived each encounter because they saved the princess and got a magic point in the last run
26/08/2008 21:52:50 ‹Ross› In particular, I love my big d20 that only rolls well behind my DM screen.
26/08/2008 21:52:55 * Fray thinks Kenrogr would be a rad diety for Pathfinder
26/08/2008 21:53:04 ‹popscythe› It's those humiliating defeats that make the characters who DO survive heroes
26/08/2008 21:53:11 ‹Daigle› Fray, that's terrifying
26/08/2008 21:53:17 ‹popscythe› Otherwise "hero" = "everyone"
26/08/2008 21:53:20 ‹Ross› popscythe, that's the difference between PCs and NPCs.
26/08/2008 21:53:22 * Fray snickers
26/08/2008 21:53:28 ‹jmberaldo› Pops> but theirs YOUR players,not every character
26/08/2008 21:53:31 ‹James Jacobs› popscythe> Not really... the only "heroes" in the game should be the PCs. Destiny chose them, not the other 29 folk nearby.
26/08/2008 21:53:36 ‹Eyebite› I was Kenny Rogers for Halloween last year
26/08/2008 21:53:42 ‹jmberaldo› if the story is about them, they deserve the special attention
26/08/2008 21:53:50 ‹Eyebite› remember the Will Sasso version of Kenny on Mad TV? Awesome
26/08/2008 21:53:51 ‹Fray› no way! BWAHAHAHA!
26/08/2008 21:53:54 ‹Fray› RAD!
26/08/2008 21:53:57 ‹Daigle› See, terrifying
26/08/2008 21:53:58 ‹James Jacobs› Hero only = everyone if you let that happen. Or if you have hundreds of players in your campaign.
26/08/2008 21:54:04 ‹Ross› PCs are FATED to do well. They're the 'light warriors'. They're the protagonists and the odds are stacked int heir favor, from stat generation to wealth, vs. NPCs.
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26/08/2008 21:54:22 ‹Fray› unless you're playing an Evil Campaign... LAME
26/08/2008 21:54:40 ‹jmberaldo› the rest if all a bunch of red shirts waiting their time to be beamed down for eternity
26/08/2008 21:54:40 * Fray doesn't understand evil campaigns nor the desire to play them
26/08/2008 21:54:42 ‹Pygon› well if NPCs were equally powered, PCs would be overloaded with treasure too
26/08/2008 21:54:47 ‹jmberaldo› "is"
26/08/2008 21:55:08 ‹popscythe› It simply strikes me as illogical that the random fool the party picks up at the bar happens to be the savior of light... every single time
26/08/2008 21:55:22 ‹popscythe› What ever happened to the "ill fated" PC that simply doesn't make the cut, and everyone always remembers him?
26/08/2008 21:55:32 ‹popscythe› It makes the ones who do well really really memorable
26/08/2008 21:55:56 * Timitius joins Main
26/08/2008 21:55:56 ‹Ross› PCs can still die.
26/08/2008 21:56:03 ‹jmberaldo› anyway, I need to go sleep. It was excellent to talk to you guys, but its 2 am here and I need to get up for work in 5 hours
26/08/2008 21:56:03 ‹Pygon› hi Tim
26/08/2008 21:56:05 ‹Daigle› Howdy Tim!
26/08/2008 21:56:12 ‹popscythe› I always include one or two npcs who are worthless and one or two who are really hardcore simply because I like to show that there's forces at work in the world besides the pcs
26/08/2008 21:56:12 ‹Russ› Ross - atlhough that is a huge shift in the game since the 70s and early 80s right there. I'd peg it at DL when story began to become the thing, with traces in I3-I5 (and not a coincidence, I'm sure)
26/08/2008 21:56:13 ‹Timitius› Howdy Room!
26/08/2008 21:56:14 ‹Pygon› gnite jmb
26/08/2008 21:56:19 ‹Daigle› Goodnight jmb
26/08/2008 21:56:21 ‹popscythe› Otherwise it's like they're on a stage the whole time
26/08/2008 21:56:25 ‹popscythe› See you later jmber
26/08/2008 21:56:41 ‹Russ› Villains need villain points.
26/08/2008 21:56:47 ‹Ross› They can fail the reroll after the hero point. They can simply get beat down again. They can waste action points too early.
26/08/2008 21:56:55 ‹Russ› Not all of them, just the Loris Raknians of the world.
26/08/2008 21:56:59 ‹Ross› Russ, in Savage Worlds, villinas get bennies too.
26/08/2008 21:57:00 ‹Absinth› To come up with the sorcerer bloodlines again: Does Heavenly Fire allow the target a saving throw? There's none mentioned...
26/08/2008 21:57:04 ‹jmberaldo› cya guys! night!
26/08/2008 21:57:04 ‹popscythe› Nobody needs metagame points. It's like sticking your hands in the pot of soup
26/08/2008 21:57:13 ‹Absinth› Night, jmberaldo
26/08/2008 21:57:18 ‹popscythe› It's a ray, rays don't usually allow a save Ab
26/08/2008 21:57:23 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, I finally got to play Burnt Offerings this past Saturday. FUN!
26/08/2008 21:57:27 * HG is Closing changes his/her nickname to HG is Closed
26/08/2008 21:57:43 * Ross wishes there were better rules for hitting allies with rays,
26/08/2008 21:57:44 ‹NetAdmin Lilith is AFC› Timitius!
26/08/2008 21:58:00 ‹popscythe› I miss the 3.0 "you can hit your homies" rule with firing into melee
26/08/2008 21:58:06 ‹Timitius› Lilith!!! You are HERE!
26/08/2008 21:58:09 ‹Russ› Did PF RPG restore the chance of hitting cover?
26/08/2008 21:58:11 * jmberaldo quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 21:58:13 ‹James Jacobs› Tim> Yay!
26/08/2008 21:58:16 ‹popscythe› I don't believe so
26/08/2008 21:58:35 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> nope
26/08/2008 21:58:41 ‹Absinth› Yes, I know that, Popscyhe, but the ability doesn't have limits (besides the healing option). A orcerer could use this every round against his)her enemies. So, I found it to be a little overpowered without a save.
26/08/2008 21:58:43 ‹Ross› Russ, I hope not. It's realistic, but it's a headache. And I hate that people are more likely to hit their friends if they're good shots.
26/08/2008 21:58:52 ‹Russ› Too bad. I think the game is more interesting with friendly fire
26/08/2008 21:59:00 ‹popscythe› Nah. I've got two sorcerers in my game and they never, ever use those abilities
26/08/2008 21:59:11 ‹popscythe› Why would you when the other higher level rays are so plentiful?
26/08/2008 21:59:15 ‹James Jacobs› It's also more complex. Combat's already clunky enough. No need to backslide.
26/08/2008 21:59:31 ‹popscythe› Hehe complexity is the spice of life my man
26/08/2008 21:59:48 ‹popscythe› Let us not forget what happened when they decided to "simplify" dnd for the new edition
26/08/2008 22:00:15 ‹popscythe› But it's easy enough to house rule Russ. That's what we're doing
26/08/2008 22:00:18 ‹Fray› ok, i'm out... y'all have fun.
26/08/2008 22:00:22 * Yasha joins Main
26/08/2008 22:00:25 ‹Pygon› bye Fray
26/08/2008 22:00:25 ‹popscythe› Cya fray!
26/08/2008 22:00:34 ‹Eyebite› Yasha!
26/08/2008 22:00:37 ‹Absinth› My sorcerer player uses Heavenly Fire quite often against low level opponents
26/08/2008 22:00:38 ‹NetAdmin Lilith is AFC› Timitius, I'm in and out.
26/08/2008 22:00:40 ‹Eyebite› Night fray
26/08/2008 22:00:42 ‹Yasha›
26/08/2008 22:00:45 ‹Ross› The problem is there is no good mechanic for firguring out if you hit an ally when you didn't want to, or if you miss an ally when they wanted to be hit. Attack bonuses and AC assume you're trying to hit and they're trying to get out of the way.
26/08/2008 22:00:49 ‹popscythe› what level are ya abs?
26/08/2008 22:00:53 ‹Absinth› Night, Fray
26/08/2008 22:00:53 ‹Yasha› JJ's still here!
26/08/2008 22:00:55 ‹Daigle› Howdy Yasha
26/08/2008 22:01:01 ‹Absinth› 4th
26/08/2008 22:01:03 ‹Crimson Jester› am I the only person in the world who gets his pantiesin a bunch when some idiot calls thier pet thier child, or dresses them in cute little clothing?
26/08/2008 22:01:06 * ollibolli joins Main
26/08/2008 22:01:14 ‹Ross› Crimson Jester, no.
26/08/2008 22:01:16 ‹popscythe› Give it time abs. You could be doing the same kinda thing with cantrips more or less
26/08/2008 22:01:24 ‹ollibolli› It is not late...
26/08/2008 22:01:26 ‹popscythe› hehe
26/08/2008 22:01:28 ‹popscythe› no cj
26/08/2008 22:01:29 * Fray quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 22:01:32 ‹Yasha› Greetings folks! Special greeting to James. So, James, has Gecko Hunt time begun?
26/08/2008 22:01:33 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, I joined a monthly game right before the Glass works fight.
26/08/2008 22:01:38 ‹Daigle› Howdy ollibolli!
26/08/2008 22:01:39 ‹Pygon› CJ - I don't come apart on it, but you know, I think dogs are just happier being... dogs.
26/08/2008 22:01:41 ‹Ross› Crimson Jester, I frequently say I prefer my cat to the idea of having children, but that's not the same as calling him a child.
26/08/2008 22:01:44 ‹Russ› Friendly fire is probably best handled on the fumble side, possibly with an enhanced chance of a friendly fire fumble when firing into melee
26/08/2008 22:01:50 ‹Absinth› Hey Olli!
26/08/2008 22:01:57 ‹popscythe› That sounds pretty good sir, I might just rip that off if you don't mind!
26/08/2008 22:02:03 ‹Crimson Jester› I was flipping channels and well thier was this platnum blond on girls next door......no need to say more
26/08/2008 22:02:06 ‹ollibolli› hi Andre
26/08/2008 22:02:06 ‹popscythe› My fumble chart was starting to bore me a lil
26/08/2008 22:02:11 ‹ollibolli› Hi Adam
26/08/2008 22:02:48 ‹Ross› Russ, trouble is that a high AC ally should be less likely to be shot on accident. What do you roll to confirm the fumble?
22:03:00 ‹Crimson Jester› Fumble charts or Crit hits copy some from Rolemaster
26/08/2008 22:03:03 ‹popscythe› Just like a critical hit?
26/08/2008 22:03:05 ‹Timitius› Sorceress cast sleep repeatedly and all the gobbies went night-night. Sort of an anticlimatic fight. Liked the special touch with the father though....
26/08/2008 22:03:14 ‹popscythe› hehe
26/08/2008 22:03:36 ‹Timitius› You sick monkey...
26/08/2008 22:03:50 ‹Ross› popscythe, except a 15th level ranger using magic arrows should be less, not more, likely to shoot his friend in the back than his 1st level self.
26/08/2008 22:04:06 ‹Daigle› I loved the glassworks. I used to blow glass a few years ago, so I really played that section up.
26/08/2008 22:04:11 ‹Absinth› Ross, I agree.
26/08/2008 22:04:40 ‹James Jacobs› Ahoy, Yasha! Alas, Operation Lizard remains in stasis for now. Soon as I'm done with Into the Darklands and Howl of the Carrion King at the end of September, though... FULL STEAM AHEAD
26/08/2008 22:04:42 ‹popscythe› Ah, very good call sir. I've found with fumble confirms that it's totally a luck thing. At their level (avg 12) my players are unlikely to miss unless they really blow the roll or the monster is insane
26/08/2008 22:05:08 ‹popscythe› You confirm it backwards, I don't know if I mentioned that
26/08/2008 22:05:14 ‹popscythe› If you miss again, you've fumbled
26/08/2008 22:05:20 * Eyebite changes his/her nickname to eyebite is AFK
26/08/2008 22:05:26 ‹Absinth› Aren't nearly all of the monsters in D&D insane?
26/08/2008 22:05:29 ‹Pygon› with 3 attacks per round, a fumble becomes even more likely though. TWF's beware.
26/08/2008 22:05:38 ‹popscythe› That's the "is CE insane" discussion again
26/08/2008 22:05:38 ‹Ross› Absinth, by human standards.
26/08/2008 22:05:47 ‹Yasha› Thats what you say now JJ! But hey, I'm not going to complain if it means more PF stuff. Especially those books!
26/08/2008 22:05:52 ‹Absinth› My players love to hate the fumble deck...
26/08/2008 22:05:53 ‹Ross› CE isn't insane...if you ask the CE person.
26/08/2008 22:06:01 ‹Ross› 'Sanity' IS relative.
26/08/2008 22:06:03 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. I'm not a big fan of fumbles. They work best, I think, as curses or the effects of an offensive spell.
26/08/2008 22:06:06 ‹Ross› Alignment is not.
26/08/2008 22:06:07 ‹popscythe› I agree. But then again, lets see you swing two weapons around in a sword fight and see how often you fumble
26/08/2008 22:06:22 * eyebite is AFK quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 22:06:23 * Russ is going to throw in friendly fire risk on "2"s when shooting past friendly cover or melee, or "3"s if both, and keep the crit deck system, whcih is a good compromise on keeping fumbles rare
26/08/2008 22:06:34 ‹Yasha› Lots, I've attempted it Popscythe.
26/08/2008 22:06:39 ‹popscythe› See? Me and you JJ, we're like vaguely opposite on the matter of randoms.
26/08/2008 22:07:23 ‹Ross› I'd be fine with fubles and friendly fire if there was a sane mechanic for resolving them, but there isn't, so I'm fine with glossing over ahdn handwaving the issue.
26/08/2008 22:07:23 ‹popscythe› But yet I still love your work hehe, shows that mechanics really arn't everything when it comes to awesome products
26/08/2008 22:07:37 ‹Absinth› But with the mechanic to confirm fumbles like you have to when rolling a critical hit, the chance to fumble often isn't that high.
26/08/2008 22:07:48 ‹Russ› CJ - we joke about the dogs being our kids, I don't think that's worth getting out of shape about
26/08/2008 22:08:01 ‹Russ› Well, fumbles probably SHOULD be a 1:400 thing
26/08/2008 22:08:15 ‹popscythe› That's my deal. Fumbles arn't very common... I had a character triple fumble crossing a bridge and die a while ago though
26/08/2008 22:08:29 ‹popscythe› That was when the minotaur finally died and couldn't ressurect. Hard way to go.
26/08/2008 22:08:36 ‹Absinth› Russ, sounds like my player's arguments.
26/08/2008 22:08:43 ‹James Jacobs› The key is that even if two folk play with different rules... they're still playing the same game. It's all good!
26/08/2008 22:08:54 ‹popscythe› It was a skill test foot wide chain bridge, not like a normal bridge btw hehe
26/08/2008 22:09:13 ‹popscythe› Much love JJ
26/08/2008 22:09:30 ‹James Jacobs› Ok; I'm running out of steam (and being lured by the siren's call of Warcraft, of course); any last minute questions?
26/08/2008 22:09:44 ‹Pygon› I'm dry.
26/08/2008 22:09:49 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, how do you feel about Golems?
26/08/2008 22:10:09 ‹James Jacobs› I am pro-golem.
26/08/2008 22:10:14 ‹James Jacobs› Golems are classic D&D.
26/08/2008 22:10:15 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, how's your car?
26/08/2008 22:10:15 ‹Absinth› I agree that fumbles shouldn't be as common as crits, but on the other hand, the chance to fumble shouldn't be too small
26/08/2008 22:10:15 ‹Yasha› James Jacobs , when are we going to look forward to a Golarion Psionics supplement?
26/08/2008 22:10:16 ‹Daigle›
26/08/2008 22:10:17 ‹James Jacobs› I like golems.
26/08/2008 22:10:32 ‹Yasha› Golems are the mascot!
26/08/2008 22:10:33 ‹popscythe› Based on the magic item estimation rules, it's very easy to create an infinite clw wonderous item
26/08/2008 22:10:43 ‹Timitius› I have a vested interest, as I have a Saturn SL2.
26/08/2008 22:10:45 ‹popscythe› Is there / should there be something to prevent that kind of deal?
26/08/2008 22:10:49 ‹James Jacobs› My car still runs. Transmission is mean and it still tends to overheat and it burns lots of oil, though. But it still runs! (win!)
26/08/2008 22:11:17 ‹Daigle› What kind of ride do you have?
26/08/2008 22:11:25 ‹James Jacobs› Yasha> Not until after we get the RPG done next Gen Con + probably a grace period. So, at the minimum, 2 years. Prolly more.
26/08/2008 22:11:26 ‹Absinth› James, did you see Mongol?
22:11:42 * Samwise joins Main
26/08/2008 22:11:49 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sam
26/08/2008 22:11:55 ‹ollibolli› hi sam
26/08/2008 22:11:56 ‹Yasha› Gotcha
26/08/2008 22:12:36 ‹Samwise› oy
26/08/2008 22:12:48 ‹James Jacobs› Tim> Ha! Gotcha! I've had mine since 2000, and it's got 107,000 miles on it. It's had some repair work; but has never yet stranded me (except for when I let the battery die but that was my fault, not the car's).
26/08/2008 22:13:36 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Mongol was on my list at Seattle International Film Festival, but Pathfinder was being a fickle b%!&# and therefore I had to skip it. I shall be seeing it soon, though, since it's about out on DVD, yeah?
26/08/2008 22:14:05 ‹James Jacobs› My car's a 2000 SL2 Saturn, Daigle. Gold, with a Stitch antenna topper and a komodo dragon in the back window.
26/08/2008 22:14:16 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, mine's a 2000 SL2! Has slightly less (96K). Jeez, I hope that it's not mine's turn next!
26/08/2008 22:14:24 ‹Daigle› Sweet
26/08/2008 22:14:34 * Samwise quit (timeout)
26/08/2008 22:14:53 ‹Timitius› I gots a spoiler on my trunk though....sporty.
26/08/2008 22:14:54 * Ross is gonna drive his car till the wheels fall off.
26/08/2008 22:15:01 ‹Yasha› Indeed, Sweet! Go giant lizards!
26/08/2008 22:15:03 * Ross likes his car.
26/08/2008 22:15:18 ‹James Jacobs› Tim> HA! Best of luck to ya, then! My advice: Avoid Jiffy Lube; my transmisison started acting funny after I got an oilchange/engine flush there, but there was no way to prove that they did something.
26/08/2008 22:15:36 ‹James Jacobs› Ooh! You ARE sporty!
26/08/2008 22:15:41 ‹Absinth› I saw Mongol last week at the theatre. It was great! An awesome film. Very un-Hollywood like. I strongly recommend seeing it. And it's already out on DVD in the US? Wow...
26/08/2008 22:15:54 ‹Timitius› We end up taking ours to the dealer.
26/08/2008 22:15:54 * eyebite is AFK changes his/her nickname to Eyebite
26/08/2008 22:16:16 ‹James Jacobs› Cool! I belive it's hitting DVD pretty soon here... And since it's from Kazahakistan, I would HOPE it's unHollywood!
26/08/2008 22:16:18 ‹NetAdmin Lilith is AFC› Eyebite, for your playtest, is a Maenad okay?
26/08/2008 22:16:31 ‹Timitius› We managed to misalign our key's tumbler, though. Heavy keys = BAD.
26/08/2008 22:16:38 ‹James Jacobs› Tim> I do that normally too. But when I get too busy and forget to make appointments and then that oil light shows up...
26/08/2008 22:16:50 ‹Eyebite› uhm....Maenads are in what book again?
26/08/2008 22:17:04 ‹Ross› Eyebite, Expanded Psionics.
26/08/2008 22:17:05 ‹James Jacobs› OK then! I am out! I shall see ye all next week!
26/08/2008 22:17:07 ‹Daigle› Crazy Dionysis worshippers
26/08/2008 22:17:10 ‹Ross› And/or the SRD>
26/08/2008 22:17:12 ‹Timitius› Later James!
26/08/2008 22:17:14 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, have fun!
26/08/2008 22:17:16 ‹HG is Closed› 'night, James
26/08/2008 22:17:16 ‹Daigle› Oh...
26/08/2008 22:17:17 ‹Pygon› thanks again James, take care!
26/08/2008 22:17:23 ‹Ross› Good luck with the Schedule!
26/08/2008 22:17:24 ‹Absinth› Thanks for taking the time to chat, James!
26/08/2008 22:17:28 ‹Daigle› Have a good night James! Thanks for stopping by!
26/08/2008 22:17:33 ‹Eyebite› Ah yes...Lilith - sure!
26/08/2008 22:17:35 ‹Blazej› Bye James.
26/08/2008 22:17:38 ‹Eyebite› Night James
26/08/2008 22:17:44 ‹ollibolli› gn8 james
26/08/2008 22:17:44 ‹Yasha› G'night James!
26/08/2008 22:17:46 ‹popscythe› bye james! and thanks for answering our questions!
26/08/2008 22:17:50 ‹NetAdmin Lilith is AFC› Thanks James!
26/08/2008 22:18:03 ‹James Jacobs› And thank you all as well! Seeya!
26/08/2008 22:18:22 ‹Pygon›
26/08/2008 22:18:24 ‹Daigle› Eyebite, if you guys are still playing by the time I get back in town, can I sit silently and watch?
26/08/2008 22:18:58 ‹Eyebite› Yeah....I was hoping (since it is likely to go more than two sessions) you could grab one of the extra PCs
26/08/2008 22:19:06 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
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02/09/2008 19:59:41 ‹greengrunt› Greeting Charles Evans
02/09/2008 19:59:41 ‹Eyebite› Yeah, it all should run fine....there is a scenario that involves an entirely new mechanic that I came up with
02/09/2008 19:59:48 ‹Yasha› Sir Charles! James!
02/09/2008 19:59:49 ‹Eyebite› that's what I really want to test
02/09/2008 19:59:49 ‹greengrunt› HEY JAMES! soorry
02/09/2008 19:59:49 ‹James Jacobs› Aloha!
19:59:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hello Charles
02/09/2008 19:59:50 ‹Urza› and unless this new blu-ray edition has an extended Megan Fox bent over Bubble Bee scene in it
02/09/2008 19:59:51 ‹Pygon› James! welcome!
02/09/2008 19:59:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› James!
02/09/2008 19:59:55 ‹Eyebite› James! Hey
02/09/2008 19:59:59 ‹Charles Evans› Evening
02/09/2008 20:00:00 ‹Urza› there's nothing a 2 disc set of it could have to interest me
02/09/2008 20:00:01 ‹Mothman› Hey James!
02/09/2008 20:00:04 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey james
02/09/2008 20:00:05 ‹Daigle› Howdy James!
02/09/2008 20:00:09 ‹Urza› hi James
02/09/2008 20:00:11 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› Sweet http://www.thedudeshouse.com/
02/09/2008 20:00:17 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› James Jacobs, howdy
02/09/2008 20:00:24 * WesSchneider joins Main
02/09/2008 20:00:28 ‹Sir Wulf› Greetings, bringer of wisdom!
02/09/2008 20:00:30 ‹James Jacobs› How's everyone doin' tonight?
02/09/2008 20:00:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› how went the trip james
02/09/2008 20:00:32 ‹greengrunt› Greetings Wes
02/09/2008 20:00:34 ‹BrianCortijo› It is the Jacobs, and Schneider. Flee!!
02/09/2008 20:00:36 ‹Eyebite› Wes! Hey
02/09/2008 20:00:38 ‹WesSchneider› Howday!
02/09/2008 20:00:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey wes
02/09/2008 20:00:40 ‹Daigle› Wes!!!
02/09/2008 20:00:43 ‹Yasha› The Wes! Hello!
02/09/2008 20:00:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, loving Second Darkness so far, though I'm only about a third of the way through the book (waited for the actual book to start reading it)
02/09/2008 20:00:46 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I posted on PF #11 DM Reference inquiring as to what the power level of Scarwall should be WRT the Ruincaster Feat from the Mwangi Expanse?
02/09/2008 20:00:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Wes!
02/09/2008 20:00:47 ‹Mothman› Hi Wes
02/09/2008 20:00:48 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› howdy F.W.S.
02/09/2008 20:00:50 ‹Pygon› wow, Wes too!
2/09/2008 20:00:51 ‹James Jacobs› Which trip was this, seeker?
2/09/2008 20:01:00 ‹Daigle› Holy shit! I was hoping you'd show up some Tuesday
02/09/2008 20:01:05 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Awesome! Thanks!
02/09/2008 20:01:05 ‹WesSchneider› It's true!
02/09/2008 20:01:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› did yeah not go to gencon UK
02/09/2008 20:01:07 ‹Hill Giant› Hey, Paizanos!
02/09/2008 20:01:19 ‹Eyebite› Hey HG
02/09/2008 20:01:38 ‹Mothman› James, yes, as KEJR said, I'm really enjoying Second Darkness so far. Somehow it seems both very fresh and quite old school
02/09/2008 20:01:40 ‹seekerofshadowlight› thought ya was one of the ones that went
02/09/2008 20:01:47 ‹yoda8myhead› wow, tonight is a glorious night indeed! Hi Wes! Is this in honor of the RNC?
02/09/2008 20:01:48 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The power level of Scarwall as it works with the Ruincaster Feat is something that I'd rather leave to GMs to decide... mostly because I don't want to get into giving every single ruin in Golarion a power rating.
02/09/2008 20:01:57 * Rambling Scribe joins Main
02/09/2008 20:02:06 ‹Daigle› Scribbles!
02/09/2008 20:02:09 ‹greengrunt› Hi Rambler
02/09/2008 20:02:09 ‹Pygon› hi Scribe!
02/09/2008 20:02:13 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› howdy Scribbles
02/09/2008 20:02:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› Scribe!
02/09/2008 20:02:17 ‹Eyebite› Scribe!
02/09/2008 20:02:22 ‹Eyebite› the gang's all here
02/09/2008 20:02:23 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi all!
02/09/2008 20:02:29 * Just David quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 20:02:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey scribe
02/09/2008 20:02:33 ‹James Jacobs› Ah! Yeah; only Jason Bulmahn, Erik Mona, and Josh Frost went to Gen Con UK. They got to hang out with Rich Pett, Wayne Reynolds, and Eva Widermann, so I'm super jealous.
02/09/2008 20:02:36 ‹Charles Evans› It's just that I read the feat and thought 'Scarwall is begging for a Power Level'...
02/09/2008 20:02:38 ‹Daigle› 'cept our dear Lilz.
02/09/2008 20:02:45 ‹greengrunt› Wes how is it going wrestling with Endless Night?
02/09/2008 20:02:52 ‹Mothman› Hey Scribe - hey, you know there's some dude called Craig posting on Paizo with your voice?
02/09/2008 20:02:53 ‹Eyebite› Ah, where is Mistress Lilith?
02/09/2008 20:02:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› eh cool thought ya went sorry bout that
02/09/2008 20:02:58 ‹WesSchneider› This is in honor of Endless Night refusing to die.. so I'm stuck here doing statblocks... and eatting James sammiches... and drinking beer... and talking to all you lovely folks
02/09/2008 20:02:59 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Maybe you could make GENCON UK next year... :d
02/09/2008 20:03:11 ‹Daigle› Fantastic
02/09/2008 20:03:20 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Scarwall certainly IS begging for it. It's just gonna have to get that hookup from someone else!
02/09/2008 20:03:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› Mothman: I've been trying to track that imposter down!
02/09/2008 20:03:24 ‹greengrunt› 2Wes>Alas... You will prevail!!
02/09/2008 20:03:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› eh james can i ask do you know why the kopesh is a two handed wepon?
02/09/2008 20:03:37 ‹seekerofshadowlight› khopesh that is
02/09/2008 20:03:47 ‹WesSchneider› Its almost dead... just a few revision and stat blocks and then its done... dude, its a weird one though.
02/09/2008 20:03:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› thats been driving me nuts odd i know
02/09/2008 20:03:57 ‹greengrunt›
02/09/2008 20:03:58 ‹Pygon› we like weird.
02/09/2008 20:03:59 * lynora joins Main
02/09/2008 20:04:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› After starting to read Shadows in the Sky, now I have to reiterate to all of my players, just to get them ready for it, that they have no idea what drow are . . .
02/09/2008 20:04:05 ‹greengrunt› Hey Lynora
02/09/2008 20:04:10 ‹Daigle› Howdy lynora!
02/09/2008 20:04:17 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I inserted a question reagrding the elven queen & Thassilon, if you hadn't noticed it yet on the CS thread...
02/09/2008 20:04:18 ‹Mothman› Which one is Endless Night Wes - PF ... 15?
02/09/2008 20:04:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Even though we're playing Rise of the Runelords right now . . .
02/09/2008 20:04:20 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello lynora
02/09/2008 20:04:23 ‹WesSchneider› 16
02/09/2008 20:04:25 ‹yoda8myhead› WesSchneider, let me help you. PM and I'll offer any assistance you need.
02/09/2008 20:04:33 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Lynora....
02/09/2008 20:04:33 ‹James Jacobs› seeker> it's a two-handed weapon because that's what the writer of that section made it into, basically. It's not a generic khopesh; it's a biggie sized one.
02/09/2008 20:04:35 ‹Pygon› KEJR - it's like looking at the first autumn through a baby's eyes...
02/09/2008 20:04:53 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› seekerofshadowlight, for your pleasure: http://www.theblackfang.org/khopesh.html
02/09/2008 20:04:53 ‹cappadocius› Ah! James did make it!
02/09/2008 20:04:55 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> What was the questioN?
02/09/2008 20:04:58 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ok i was just wondering, is there a more norml sized one?
02/09/2008 20:05:07 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I was wondering why the elven Queen was named after Edasseril, or perhaps the other way around...
02/09/2008 20:05:11 ‹WesSchneider› Hah, its all good, it's almost done. I kind of took a week long sabtical/"vaction" to wrap some stuff up and recover from Gen Con...
02/09/2008 20:05:12 ‹seekerofshadowlight› heh i helped ya with that justin recall
02/09/2008 20:05:15 ‹Ross› seekerofshadowlight, the nromal sized one probably just counts as a longsword.
02/09/2008 20:05:29 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› I remember
02/09/2008 20:05:30 ‹Daigle› lynora, how has shamgar been lately? He hasn't been in.
02/09/2008 20:05:36 ‹BrianCortijo› Too much Cabbage, Wes?
02/09/2008 20:05:36 ‹Charles Evans› Queen Telandia Edasseril
02/09/2008 20:05:36 ‹James Jacobs› seeker> At this point, no. No
02/09/2008 20:05:42 ‹seekerofshadowlight› thats how we worked it out yep ross
02/09/2008 20:05:47 ‹Ross› Justin [Golemthrall], why are you a Golemthrall?
02/09/2008 20:05:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› awww ok
02/09/2008 20:05:54 ‹Charles Evans› Edasseril, realm of the runelord (female incidentally) of Envy
20:06:09 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, couldn't a medium size character wield the SMALL size khopesh 1 handed?
02/09/2008 20:06:17 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› Ross, http://paizo.com/image/navigat...izo.gif
02/09/2008 20:06:22 ‹lynora› shamgar has been working too much.
02/09/2008 20:06:27 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, I was wondering. When we first saw the map of the Inner Sea Region, it was mentioned that assuming Golarion was earth-like in size, the ice caps was unusually low on the map, suggesting Golarion was in an Ice Age. Has this been officially confirmed or denied in the Paizo Setting Bible?
02/09/2008 20:06:29 ‹WesSchneider› Hah! Probably...
02/09/2008 20:06:30 ‹James Jacobs› No "normal" sized khopesh yet.
02/09/2008 20:06:32 ‹greengrunt› (greengrunt suddenly realizes he is lacking in Runelord lore)
02/09/2008 20:06:38 ‹cappadocius› ice caps /were/
02/09/2008 20:06:38 ‹Ross› Justin [Golemthrall], ah. That was my guess.
02/09/2008 20:06:47 * Russ is AFK changes his/her nickname to Russ
02/09/2008 20:06:53 ‹Russ› The khopesh is misdone in D&D, inany case
02/09/2008 20:07:04 ‹Charles Evans› I was coming up with conspiracy theories regarding the runelord of Envy having turned herself into or stolen the body of an elf.
02/09/2008 20:07:04 ‹seekerofshadowlight› its more an axe
02/09/2008 20:07:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› Lots of white dragons . . . that's all I'm saying . . .
02/09/2008 20:07:06 * Urza thought is was an exotic weapon in 3.5
02/09/2008 20:07:18 ‹WesSchneider› Cappadocius: No. One day we'll like define those snowy areas a bit more, but that's a ways off.
02/09/2008 20:07:25 ‹seekerofshadowlight› eh its in the FRCS URXA
02/09/2008 20:07:29 ‹Charles Evans› Then I realised it might be a good idea to check for official explanations.
02/09/2008 20:07:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› urza
02/09/2008 20:07:34 ‹Russ› Yep, it involved from the axe, rather than the dagger
02/09/2008 20:07:44 ‹Russ› And is used a lot more like an axe than like a typical curved sword
02/09/2008 20:07:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep it did russ
02/09/2008 20:07:48 ‹cappadocius› So, it could be an unnatural reason for the ice caps to be so far south in latitude.
02/09/2008 20:07:51 ‹cappadocius› 'kay.
02/09/2008 20:07:54 ‹cappadocius› thank you.
02/09/2008 20:07:54 ‹seekerofshadowlight› was used like an axe as well
02/09/2008 20:08:03 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Ah! The main reason is that we've been naming a bazillion things over the past year, and sometimes we double dip.
02/09/2008 20:08:19 ‹Russ› I'm not sure there's even a historical precedent for a two-handed khopesh, but then again the big-ass version of a given weapon is a pretty traditional meme throughout armaments
02/09/2008 20:08:24 * Lilith joins Main
02/09/2008 20:08:25 ‹WesSchneider› Totally! That's kind of a neat idea. We do have an scary ice queen up there afterall...
02/09/2008 20:08:27 ‹James Jacobs› We have multiple Kazavons also.
02/09/2008 20:08:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Plus, you know, in the real world similar words do pop up in different languages.
02/09/2008 20:08:33 ‹Daigle› Lilz!!!!
02/09/2008 20:08:38 * Daigle hugs Lilz!
02/09/2008 20:08:44 ‹Lilith› Hooray! Pathfinder Fan Service #3 is complete!
02/09/2008 20:08:44 ‹Russ› Names should be shared
02/09/2008 20:08:44 ‹Eyebite› Lilith! hey
02/09/2008 20:08:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› no biggist one they found russ is about 3 feet or so
02/09/2008 20:08:46 ‹Rambling Scribe›
02/09/2008 20:08:53 ‹BrianCortijo› Do they have little nametags with numbers on them?
02/09/2008 20:08:54 ‹Russ› I was wondering if "Pesh" and "Katapesh" share meanings
02/09/2008 20:08:55 ‹yoda8myhead› Lilith, may we see?
02/09/2008 20:08:59 ‹greengrunt› Wes> I tried to ask JJ this question .. You wouldn't happen to have any idea as to what the Goroth Lodge was in Verduran Wood would you?
02/09/2008 20:09:03 ‹Pygon› NSFW coming...
02/09/2008 20:09:02 ‹Urza› seekerofshadowlight, so it is.. and since the FRCS isn't 3.5 there wouldn't be an official small version stat like the other 3.5 weapons
02/09/2008 20:09:02 ‹Sir Wulf› Lilith! Huzzah!
02/09/2008 20:09:13 ‹Yasha› Katapesh is mainly where they grow Pesh from the cacti.
02/09/2008 20:09:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey Lilith!
02/09/2008 20:09:14 ‹Russ› I feel the same way about the stupid D&D falchion, btw
02/09/2008 20:09:14 ‹cappadocius› 2nd question for the Paizonians (having now seen that Wes is here too!):
02/09/2008 20:09:16 ‹Lilith› Pygon, me? NSFW? Nevaaaaaaaaaar!
02/09/2008 20:09:17 ‹BrianCortijo› Oooh! It's a fellow Luminary! Greetings, Lillith.
02/09/2008 20:09:20 ‹Pygon›
02/09/2008 20:09:25 ‹Russ› Take a one-handed hacking weapon, and make it a two-hander....ok
02/09/2008 20:09:25 ‹greengrunt› Hullo Lilith
02/09/2008 20:09:26 ‹seekerofshadowlight› although russ it is though that an iron one may have been larger for cermonal resones
02/09/2008 20:09:36 ‹WesSchneider› Green. I have no idea. Sounds made up.
02/09/2008 20:09:40 ‹cappadocius› Greg Vaughn dropped an interesting mention that my throwaway line about the Hopi first world was in Into the Darklands.
02/09/2008 20:09:43 ‹greengrunt›
02/09/2008 20:09:44 ‹cappadocius› Care to expand on that?
02/09/2008 20:09:48 ‹James Jacobs› THAT SAID, I suspect that when/if we ever do something more with the empire of Edasseril, we'll have some cool connection to the queen or something.
02/09/2008 20:09:50 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Completely open still as to why there's the name similarity then.
02/09/2008 20:09:51 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Urza, nope not at all
02/09/2008 20:09:54 * Lilith waves at everybody!
02/09/2008 20:10:00 ‹Russ› And falchions should be x3 or x4 crit, rather than 18-20
02/09/2008 20:10:04 ‹seekerofshadowlight› its a long wsword with a +2 to trip
02/09/2008 20:10:12 ‹seekerofshadowlight› so use them stats
02/09/2008 20:10:20 ‹Urza› seekerofshadowlight, just lower the die stat by 1 and walla small size kho for 3.5
02/09/2008 20:10:24 * Charles Evans s ilith.
02/09/2008 20:10:25 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> The ice caps on the inner sea map are WAY too south. If/when we do a revision, those ice caps will retreat north quite a ways.
02/09/2008 20:10:33 ‹Russ› Some bozo decided curved blade = high crit range, unless it is an axe
02/09/2008 20:10:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Urza, done have
02/09/2008 20:10:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Russ, falcones were not two handed
02/09/2008 20:10:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Poor white dragons . . . they'll have to relocate now . . .
02/09/2008 20:11:02 ‹Pygon› stupid global warming.
02/09/2008 20:11:03 ‹BrianCortijo› It's okay, JR; they'll take your house.
02/09/2008 20:11:04 ‹greengrunt› (greengrunt suddenly realizes he will have to order the Pathfinder CS from his FLGS)
02/09/2008 20:11:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› bout the size of a long sword single edged
02/09/2008 20:11:14 ‹Russ› seeker - I know.
02/09/2008 20:11:16 ‹Urza› seekerofshadowlight, really? the falcones in aladin (lol great reference) looks 2 handed
02/09/2008 20:11:17 ‹Sir Wulf› The ice caps were drawn in the traditition of Notoscale, the acclaimed Italian cartographer...
02/09/2008 20:11:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› As long as I get the insurance . . .
02/09/2008 20:11:28 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith! More Fan Service? YOU SCOUNDREL!
02/09/2008 20:11:32 ‹Yasha› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...ion.jpg
02/09/2008 20:11:34 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs,
02/09/2008 20:11:37 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Urza, nope that was a scimat
02/09/2008 20:11:46 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs: I do kinda like the idea of Golarion being in an ice age, or the Witch Queen bringing a bit of home with her.
02/09/2008 20:11:57 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Pesh is a drug that grows in the region and is a HUGE export from Katapesh.
02/09/2008 20:11:58 ‹Yasha› Falchion on that Link guysQ!
02/09/2008 20:11:59 ‹Lilith› Pathfinder Fan Service #3... http://lilith-darkmoon.deviant...6865207 NSFW!
02/09/2008 20:12:05 ‹James Jacobs› So yeah; they kinda do share meanings.
02/09/2008 20:12:05 ‹Russ› Urza - a falchion is basically a machete, real world.
02/09/2008 20:12:16 ‹WesSchneider› Design By Comittee Time! Name a good spell to go in a quarterstaff of spell-storing! Tiny Hut has been vetoed (and wouldn't work anyway) ~_~
02/09/2008 20:12:17 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> I do not know anything about the Goroth Lodge, nope!
02/09/2008 20:12:18 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep yasha that is one most were not that wide
02/09/2008 20:12:28 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› Lilith,
02/09/2008 20:12:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Russ, sept more blanced
02/09/2008 20:12:32 ‹greengrunt› Oh Lord another website where I have to register... Thank you Lilith
02/09/2008 20:12:36 * BrianCortijo covers his pet goblin's eyes.
02/09/2008 20:12:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› they were very common in the middle ages
02/09/2008 20:12:41 ‹cappadocius› Wes: Create Water.
02/09/2008 20:12:45 ‹Pygon› Wes - dimension door?
02/09/2008 20:12:47 ‹WesSchneider› Hah!
02/09/2008 20:12:50 ‹yoda8myhead› WesSchneider, Hero's Feast!
02/09/2008 20:12:55 ‹Russ› James - but the meaning of the word pesh, does it form part of the etymology of Katapesh? Or is pesh just called pesh because it is from Katapesh?
02/09/2008 20:13:05 ‹Yasha› Magnificent Mansion!
02/09/2008 20:13:12 ‹Charles Evans› I was thinking because Katapesh is the principle exporter of Pesh, it might make sense for the drug to be named after the country it comes from.
02/09/2008 20:13:14 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Nothing to report yet on Hopi first world stuff in Darklands yet... I'm still going through the book and until that's done... ALL MUST REMAIN SECRET. Well... much must remain so...
02/09/2008 20:13:17 ‹WesSchneider› Russ! It does! Hint hint
02/09/2008 20:13:22 ‹Pygon› Rope Trick! But you hav eto climb the staff.
02/09/2008 20:13:23 ‹BrianCortijo› Shillelagh?
02/09/2008 20:13:24 ‹Sir Wulf› Tree Shape!
02/09/2008 20:13:25 ‹Charles Evans› Or slang abbrieviated.
02/09/2008 20:13:26 ‹greengrunt› Wait.. A spell entitled Feast of Schneider?? Sounds intriguing
02/09/2008 20:13:29 ‹cappadocius› Accursed secrecy!
02/09/2008 20:13:32 ‹Russ› Personally, I think grease is a fun spell
02/09/2008 20:13:33 ‹Ross› Changestaff.
02/09/2008 20:13:43 ‹yoda8myhead› Ironwood?
02/09/2008 20:13:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Summon Instrument?
02/09/2008 20:13:51 ‹WesSchneider› greengrunt, Whoa, that might blow our PG-13 rating...
02/09/2008 20:13:56 ‹James Jacobs› As for falchions... we might sneak in some changes/errata or whatever if/when we reprint the PFCS. We'll see.
02/09/2008 20:13:58 ‹cappadocius› Is it acceptable to reveal how many monsters are in Into the Darklands?
02/09/2008 20:14:02 ‹greengrunt›
02/09/2008 20:14:07 ‹Russ› It has to be a touch or targeted spell. No "effect" or personal.
02/09/2008 20:14:09 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yasha was it not you i was swpping out weopn links with?
02/09/2008 20:14:15 ‹cappadocius› Also, is it acceptable to reveal if there's any discussion of Rovagug's prison?
02/09/2008 20:14:19 ‹Yasha› Yeah, it was me Seeker.
02/09/2008 20:14:21 ‹Russ› James - and just rename the falchion to the great scimitar or executioner's scimitar
02/09/2008 20:14:33 ‹Hill Giant› change the falcata to falchion and change falcion to something else?
02/09/2008 20:14:33 ‹seekerofshadowlight› eh that was a 3.0 issue james they made it a 2 hander
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20:14:47 ‹seekerofshadowlight› thats were it came from russ
02/09/2008 20:14:49 ‹Eyebite› Polymorph! On critical hits it randomly morphs the struck target
02/09/2008 20:14:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, I kind of "defined down" when Sandstorm came out, and falchions and great scimitars become as one in my campaigns.
02/09/2008 20:14:56 ‹seekerofshadowlight› they cut down the stats
02/09/2008 20:15:00 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: What are the Conerica Straits, by the way?
02/09/2008 20:15:08 ‹cappadocius› ha! Yes!
02/09/2008 20:15:13 ‹cappadocius› What are they?
02/09/2008 20:15:36 ‹Russ› Happy to be seeing more martial weapons.
02/09/2008 20:15:37 ‹WesSchneider› Charles, you're making all this up.
02/09/2008 20:15:46 ‹greengrunt›
02/09/2008 20:15:54 ‹Charles Evans› They're in the ISGER entry.
02/09/2008 20:15:56 ‹seekerofshadowlight› KnightErrantJR, know what ya mean i house ruled that years back
02/09/2008 20:16:02 ‹WesSchneider› Still sounds made up...
02/09/2008 20:16:04 ‹Russ› Why the decision to make blowguns give no chance of accidental poisoning?
02/09/2008 20:16:10 ‹Sir Wulf› WesSchneider, Plant Growth, with the limit that the staff grows roots and branches as well...
02/09/2008 20:16:11 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles, you really should add all these answers to the wiki when you get them. You're relentless!
02/09/2008 20:16:18 ‹Russ› (though I think accidental poisoning adds almost nothing to the game ,except the nat-1 on attack variety)
02/09/2008 20:16:19 * Dr Pepper quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 20:16:20 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yup; the "pesh" in Katapesh does indeed refer to the drug. It probably means something like "Cradle of dreams" or the like.
02/09/2008 20:16:26 ‹Charles Evans› Page 82-83, Campaign Setting.
02/09/2008 20:16:28 ‹Russ› (and even the nat-1 on attack should be just a small chance)
02/09/2008 20:16:37 ‹yoda8myhead› WesSchneider, awaken! Intelligent staff!
02/09/2008 20:16:46 ‹WesSchneider› Hah!
02/09/2008 20:16:52 ‹Russ› D&D poison needs to be cheaper to be useful for PCs, in any case.
02/09/2008 20:16:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› niffty pic lilith
02/09/2008 20:17:03 ‹Ross› WesSchneider, Blindness/Deafness
02/09/2008 20:17:05 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> There are 5 new monsters in Into the Darklands, and several more "sorta" new (as in advanced or templated or whatever) monsters.
02/09/2008 20:17:12 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Any chance that the Darklands will be done way ahead of schedule and you guys can start shipping it in mid September
02/09/2008 20:17:24 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda: I'm reporting errate and querying things on the errata/DM Reference thread for the CS.
02/09/2008 20:17:27 ‹James Jacobs› There is not much yet about Rovagug's prison, though. That'll probably have to wait until "Guide to the Great Beyond."
02/09/2008 20:17:30 ‹BrianCortijo› I find that poison only works when used sparingly. Otherwise, it becomes a cop-ouy
02/09/2008 20:17:33 ‹Pygon› no, my wallet!
02/09/2008 20:17:33 ‹Russ› Aw, it's gonna make me sign up to see the art
02/09/2008 20:17:37 ‹Ross› It's third level, targeted, and a useful effect for a weapon to bestow.
02/09/2008 20:17:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› One of my favorite historical weapons is the Falx, used by the Dacians against the Romans. I believe that the names of the falchion and falcata are both related to it.
02/09/2008 20:18:10 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep i think you are right scribe
02/09/2008 20:18:18 ‹James Jacobs› I'm guessing that the Conerica Straits are mountain passes or something like that. I've noted in the ERROR LOG for the PFCS to clear it up in the reprint.
02/09/2008 20:18:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› Poisons that do "something" other than damage usually get used more in my campaigns than ability damaging ones, although I do like ability damaging poisons in theory.
02/09/2008 20:18:40 ‹James Jacobs› ALMOST CAUGHT UP TO CHAT!!!!
02/09/2008 20:18:42 ‹cappadocius› So the Straits are NOT the two waterways that form the national border?
02/09/2008 20:18:45 ‹greengrunt› Hmmm.. A reprint
02/09/2008 20:18:50 ‹greengrunt›
02/09/2008 20:18:51 ‹cappadocius› Damn, Charles beat me.
02/09/2008 20:18:54 ‹Charles Evans› JJ it says that Eldir is in the centre of them, and somethign about 'rampways'
02/09/2008 20:18:59 ‹Russ› Falchion comes from the original meaning of falx, but I don't think the weapon derived from it.
02/09/2008 20:19:04 ‹Pygon› at least our PDFs willg et an update...
02/09/2008 20:19:07 ‹Charles Evans› Elidir, even.
02/09/2008 20:19:09 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, you're going to make me buy a new copy of the $50 book!?!?
02/09/2008 20:19:16 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Becasue blowguns sort of suck if they don't have something like "no chance of Poisoning" thing in there.
02/09/2008 20:19:19 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i dont eaither russ
02/09/2008 20:19:26 ‹cappadocius› I'm going to make him hand write the eratta in mine at the next Con we're both at.
02/09/2008 20:19:27 ‹Rambling Scribe› No I don't think there is a direct relation between the weapons, just the names.
02/09/2008 20:19:27 ‹James Jacobs› And also, I agreee; accidental poisoning is lame.
02/09/2008 20:19:40 * Blazej joins Main
02/09/2008 20:19:50 ‹greengrunt› Hey Blazej
02/09/2008 20:19:53 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep names are often reused and remade
02/09/2008 20:19:53 ‹Pygon› I never used accidental poisoning, frankly.
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02/09/2008 20:20:04 ‹Pygon› although I might.
02/09/2008 20:20:05 ‹Blazej› Hello greengrunt.
02/09/2008 20:20:07 ‹Charles Evans› I saw something about the star-towers helping to keep Rovagug imprisoned?
02/09/2008 20:20:07 ‹Daigle› Howdy Blazej
02/09/2008 20:20:09 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> No chance of Darklands being done way ahead of schedule. As in... it's currently way BEHIND schedule, and I'm pulling a few 15 or so hour days here to make it get caught up.
02/09/2008 20:20:15 ‹Blazej› And hello Daigle.
02/09/2008 20:20:17 ‹WesSchneider› What else were you going to do with your $50? See, we're helping. you were just going to buy crack with it anyway. We're helping you make healthy choices. ^_~
02/09/2008 20:20:22 ‹Eyebite› Pygon says just before we begin playing with him . . .
02/09/2008 20:20:24 ‹Blazej› And hello rest of chatroom.
02/09/2008 20:20:25 ‹Charles Evans› I think that was in PF #11, because a Star Tower was part of Scarwall.
02/09/2008 20:20:29 ‹Pygon› hee
02/09/2008 20:20:33 ‹Pygon› hi Blaze
02/09/2008 20:20:36 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› Blazej, howdy
02/09/2008 20:20:41 ‹BrianCortijo› $50= Two copies of Yetisburg and one of Falling: The Goblin Edition?
02/09/2008 20:20:43 * cappadocius makes a note to destroy all Star Towers.
02/09/2008 20:20:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› "No crack, must buy Paizo . . ."
02/09/2008 20:20:48 ‹greengrunt› Wes> Any upcoming Pathfinder Adventure Paths that you're really, really excited about??
02/09/2008 20:20:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its kind of catchy . . .
02/09/2008 20:20:56 ‹yoda8myhead› WesSchneider, but I liiiiike my crack
02/09/2008 20:20:58 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› WesSchneider, I need my $50 to move up there and slave for you in the warehouse
02/09/2008 20:21:00 ‹Pygon› Brian - don't forget your book!
02/09/2008 20:21:04 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> We'll have to reprint if we sell out, of course. I'm relatively sure we'll reprint anyway not long after we switch to the PF RPG. And there's a LOT of annoying errors I'd love the chance to fix...
02/09/2008 20:21:24 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Cool! Rock!
02/09/2008 20:21:25 ‹WesSchneider› And anyway, currently, there are only "If we sell out, if we do a PRPG update" plans...
02/09/2008 20:21:26 ‹BrianCortijo› Ooo! Wes, tell them about the AP I'll be writing... oh, who am I kidding?
02/09/2008 20:21:27 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: The reprint will basically have the same info in it, so there's only a need to rebuy the book if you want those typos fixed.
02/09/2008 20:21:30 * cappadocius is tempted to go through the CS, mark all the centers of trade, and use colored string to work out trade routes.
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02/09/2008 20:21:47 ‹greengrunt› @ cappa
02/09/2008 20:21:57 ‹James Jacobs› I certainly won't begrudge anyone buying the book twice, of course!
02/09/2008 20:21:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› My players immediately pointed out "Reigon" on the map . . . but they still ordered copies of the CS anyway . . .
02/09/2008 20:22:04 ‹cappadocius› Trade is important!
02/09/2008 20:22:04 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any hope of getting some information on House Thrune, and in particuar the rulers over the past 68 years.
02/09/2008 20:22:27 ‹Charles Evans› I was interested int he comment that te current (child) queen has the second longest reign, technically.
02/09/2008 20:22:29 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› James Jacobs, what about the small changed needed to make the PCCS fit with PRPG? Will those be made?
02/09/2008 20:22:35 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles Evans, yeah, I'd like those too. but I assume those will be in the Cheliax regional book
02/09/2008 20:22:36 ‹Charles Evans› 9well currently a regency)
02/09/2008 20:22:40 ‹Pygon› Charles - path 5? A little bird said it might be set in a certain place...
02/09/2008 20:22:42 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yes; star towers do indeed play a role in Rovagug's imprisonment. More precisely, they were originally intended to "deflect" prayers to him.
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02/09/2008 20:23:01 ‹greengrunt› Interesting
02/09/2008 20:23:14 ‹Blazej› Deflect them away?
02/09/2008 20:23:15 * Lilith quit
02/09/2008 20:23:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› "Prayer deflects to full power"
02/09/2008 20:23:32 ‹James Jacobs› But the majority, if not all of the Star Towers are now pretty much broken, which is why Rovagug's clerics can cast spells... and have been able to do so for many many centuries.
02/09/2008 20:23:34 ‹WesSchneider› Ummm... Brian is all signed on for Adventure Path #9: "Inner Space" the RPG. He's writing the adventure "Attack of the Nasal Norkers."
02/09/2008 20:23:42 ‹WesSchneider› ::shrug::
02/09/2008 20:23:48 ‹greengrunt›
02/09/2008 20:23:51 ‹cappadocius› I want to know why Razmiren hasn't sent a team of adventurers down to Thuvia to extract the alchemist to keep the God-King alive forever.
02/09/2008 20:23:53 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> I'm pretty excited about Legacy of Fire, but I'm REALLY excited to get crackin' on AP6.
02/09/2008 20:23:55 ‹Blazej› The prayer deflectors can't take much more of this!
02/09/2008 20:23:58 ‹Pygon› using Nightmare Keep as inspiration, I hope... not.. maybe
02/09/2008 20:24:02 ‹Charles Evans› Is that Abrogail II (of Cheliax) in the background in the picture on age 70 of the CS?
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02/09/2008 20:24:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› "Prayer deflectors at 23%"
02/09/2008 20:24:23 ‹Pygon› James - you'r emore excited about 6 than 5?
02/09/2008 20:24:23 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Is Wes serious about the Nasal Norkers?
02/09/2008 20:24:28 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> yes. We'll be doing quite a bit about House Thrune to go along with AP5, I suspect.
02/09/2008 20:24:29 * Fray joins Main
02/09/2008 20:24:31 ‹Blazej› The prayer deflectors can take much more of this!
02/09/2008 20:24:33 ‹WesSchneider› HA!
02/09/2008 20:24:36 ‹greengrunt› hi Fray
02/09/2008 20:24:36 ‹cappadocius› Also, hooray for Rovagug's clerics casting spells!
02/09/2008 20:24:38 ‹BrianCortijo› I get to stat Dennis Quaid!
02/09/2008 20:24:38 ‹Mothman› Nice fanservice art Lilith!
02/09/2008 20:24:40 ‹WesSchneider› Yes. Deadly.
02/09/2008 20:24:41 * Russ is ready for a lot less of the Varisia/Cheliax portion of the continent
02/09/2008 20:24:50 ‹cappadocius› Seebo would be even LESS welcome at PFS tables if he didn't have spellcasting.
02/09/2008 20:24:50 ‹greengrunt›
02/09/2008 20:24:56 ‹Daigle› Howdy Fray
02/09/2008 20:24:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› "Captain, we have a canticle breach"
02/09/2008 20:24:58 ‹Fray› hi gang
02/09/2008 20:25:02 ‹Fray› hi gang
02/09/2008 20:25:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› Fray
02/09/2008 20:25:07 ‹Fray› What's a seebo?
02/09/2008 20:25:10 ‹Pygon› hi Fray
02/09/2008 20:25:12 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Yup; the hope for the reprint is, in my opinion, to do the reprint at about the time the PF RPG releases, at which point we'll adjust things as necessary.
02/09/2008 20:25:21 ‹Fray› I had a cool rogue fighter dwarf named Seebo.
02/09/2008 20:25:24 ‹WesSchneider› BrianCortijo, we're glad you're excited about it.
02/09/2008 20:25:29 ‹cappadocius› Seebo Murnig, my gnomish cleric of Rovagug, Fray
20:25:38 ‹greengrunt› So the HellKnight will be in the Pathfinder RPG??
02/09/2008 20:25:39 ‹Urza› James, I know it's very unlikely but have you guys had any thoughts on simplifying NPC generation (and even monster generation) for Pathfinder RPG? it's SOOOO easy in 4e to make npcs it's kinda well.. annoying
02/09/2008 20:25:42 ‹cappadocius› He burns things down. A lot.
02/09/2008 20:25:42 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> probably because Razmiran can't get their act together?
02/09/2008 20:25:44 ‹Fray› cappadocius> coolio
02/09/2008 20:26:14 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs> I think it'd be a great mid-high level adventure though.
02/09/2008 20:26:17 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I believe so; yes, that might be Abrogail II on page 70. Although I'm a little Meh on that art, so maybe not.
02/09/2008 20:26:19 ‹cappadocius› D&D Shadowrun, basically.
02/09/2008 20:26:29 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› James Jacobs, Then consider a PRPG PCCS sold to me already.
02/09/2008 20:26:31 * Yasha quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 20:26:44 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Yes. I'm excited about AP5, but more excited about AP6.
02/09/2008 20:26:55 ‹greengrunt›
02/09/2008 20:27:00 ‹cappadocius› Does AP6 have a name yet?
02/09/2008 20:27:03 ‹Fray› AP5 6? Aren't we on 14?
02/09/2008 20:27:06 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› James Jacobs, AP6? I haven't heard about that one yet.
02/09/2008 20:27:09 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I was surprised how far Geb went for his 'Harlot Queen'... on which subject, was Arazni actually a goddess?
02/09/2008 20:27:12 ‹Fray› oh... NVM...
02/09/2008 20:27:23 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Hellknight won't be in the Pathfinder RPG. Hellknights are Golarion specific.
02/09/2008 20:27:25 * Fray thinks the 2 hour drive home addled his brain
02/09/2008 20:27:43 ‹Fray› Hi Wes
02/09/2008 20:27:45 ‹Daigle› Take the scenic route, Fray?
02/09/2008 20:27:46 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles Evans, really. Make wiki entries. We need your thorough eye!
02/09/2008 20:27:52 ‹greengrunt› Turd muffins.. Will they err... get a class rundown somewhere??
02/09/2008 20:27:53 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> I suspect that we'll have a fast skill selection system for NPCs in the PF RPG for one thing.
02/09/2008 20:27:59 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› Fray, it's okay, have a and some
02/09/2008 20:28:01 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I assumed it was Abrogail II with her court on Page 70 after reading the description, that she ahad a PF & erinyes.
02/09/2008 20:28:02 ‹Fray› Daigle> Nope... it just sucked really bad tonight
02/09/2008 20:28:16 * Russ quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 20:28:17 ‹Fray› Thanks Justin
02/09/2008 20:28:20 ‹James Jacobs› But honestly... "fast stat generation" isn't necessarilly a goal of the game for us.
02/09/2008 20:28:23 ‹Charles Evans› yoda: I'm still going through the PF CS.
02/09/2008 20:28:35 ‹WesSchneider› We'll probably be doing a pretty Hellknight heavy Pathfinder Companion next year... just saying.
02/09/2008 20:28:42 ‹yoda8myhead› me too. Making entries as I go...
02/09/2008 20:28:46 ‹greengrunt› Coolness Wes!
02/09/2008 20:28:48 ‹James Jacobs› AP6 doesn't have a name yet, and I'm not allowed to say much more about it... but it's gonna be COOOOL!
02/09/2008 20:28:51 * Mothman changes his/her nickname to Moth working
02/09/2008 20:28:56 ‹Pygon› yay teasers!
02/09/2008 20:29:02 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yes. Arazni was a demigoddess.
02/09/2008 20:29:12 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> have you been talking to Gary about his ideas for AP6?
02/09/2008 20:29:15 ‹cappadocius› wait, AP5 doesn't even have a name yet.
02/09/2008 20:29:16 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, so it is in the frozen north then.
02/09/2008 20:29:20 ‹WesSchneider› #6 is the Fight Bad Guys Adventure Path. We're very pleased with the name.
02/09/2008 20:29:27 ‹cappadocius› Can you say anything about AP5?
02/09/2008 20:29:29 ‹greengrunt› I am stoked about the Tarrasque's possibility of making a cameo appearance in a PF AP
02/09/2008 20:29:29 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, does AP5 have a name? (If I'm counting right, Legacy of Fire is #4.)
02/09/2008 20:29:31 ‹Charles Evans› Was she a former mortal (tes of the starstone) or a companion that Aroden promoted?
02/09/2008 20:29:37 ‹cappadocius› Ross you are counting right.
02/09/2008 20:29:37 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> Gary Gygax?
02/09/2008 20:29:39 ‹Urza› $10 says AP6 is going to be a Tarrasque AP
02/09/2008 20:29:41 ‹Blazej› FBGAP
02/09/2008 20:29:45 ‹James Jacobs› Yes! HOW DID YOU KNOW?
02/09/2008 20:29:45 ‹Charles Evans› (Arazni?)
02/09/2008 20:29:50 ‹greengrunt› @ Wes
02/09/2008 20:29:56 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> Nope... silly. Postmonster Gary
02/09/2008 20:30:02 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Can't say much about AP5 yet either. We're months away from that too.
02/09/2008 20:30:03 ‹cappadocius› If AP6 has a Tarrasque, that means a full-on Rovagug write-up, and I will joygasm.
02/09/2008 20:30:13 ‹James Jacobs› Legacy of Fire is indeed AP4.
02/09/2008 20:30:27 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› hehehe
02/09/2008 20:30:28 ‹Fray› WesSchneider> Does #6 have an Italian western soundtrack too?
02/09/2008 20:30:32 ‹yoda8myhead› cappadocius, Rovagug's gonna get one in AP4
02/09/2008 20:30:41 ‹WesSchneider› Nah, we're going more Jpop.
02/09/2008 20:30:42 ‹Russ› Oh, I'd love to write up some rovaspawn to go with the tarrasque. Did I mention I do good monsters?
02/09/2008 20:30:44 ‹James Jacobs› Arazni was a mortal that Aroden promoted; she didn't use the Starstone. She was, at one point, his herald, though.
02/09/2008 20:30:49 ‹greengrunt› No Italian Western soundtracks for the love of God!
02/09/2008 20:30:52 ‹cappadocius› yoda, source?
02/09/2008 20:31:07 ‹Fray› greengrunt> Blasphmer!
02/09/2008 20:31:10 ‹Fray›
02/09/2008 20:31:11 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› WesSchneider, with dancing schoolgirls?
02/09/2008 20:31:14 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Can other deities promote mortals to demigod status then?
02/09/2008 20:31:17 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, what's Arazni's alignment now?
02/09/2008 20:31:24 ‹James Jacobs› Dibs on the dancing schoolgirls.
02/09/2008 20:31:31 * Fray has the Good the Bad and the Ugly as a his ringtone
02/09/2008 20:31:32 ‹yoda8myhead› cappadocius, James said so in the chat when he spoiled the name of the path
02/09/2008 20:31:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just don't sacrifice half of your nobles in your house to summon the Tarrasque
2/09/2008 20:31:42 ‹yoda8myhead› we're gonna get Sarenrae and Rovagug next spring
2/09/2008 20:31:46 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Any deity can promote a mortal to a demigod. if they do it too much, it weakens them and annoys the other gods though.
2/09/2008 20:31:55 ‹jmberaldo› hah, howdie JJ (was hyper-afk)
2/09/2008 20:32:11 ‹James Jacobs› Arazni's alignment? Dunno. I suspect NE. She's pretty bitter.
2/09/2008 20:32:28 ‹greengrunt› Speaking of which ... That would would be incredibly crazy if Paizo did a write up on the Starstone in Absalom... trap by trap..Room by room
2/09/2008 20:32:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just like a manager promoting too many supervisors . . . er . . . am I still channeling work?
2/09/2008 20:32:37 ‹cappadocius› How do I miss the chats that are important to me??!
2/09/2008 20:32:52 ‹James Jacobs› Pathfinder #20 will have a Sarenrae article, and Pathfinder #23 will have a Rovagug article.
2/09/2008 20:32:56 ‹cappadocius› Next you guys are gonna tell me that it's been revealed that we're getting a Gnomes of Golarion Companion in early 2009.
2/09/2008 20:32:56 ‹Pygon› gg - It probably changes depending on who enters
2/09/2008 20:32:57 ‹Daigle› "I tested the Starstone and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"
02/09/2008 20:32:58 ‹James Jacobs› of that, I'm 99% sure.
02/09/2008 20:32:59 ‹Blazej› I can see it now.
02/09/2008 20:33:04 ‹Charles Evans› greengrunt: They keep switching the interior of the cathedral around according to the absolom entry.
02/09/2008 20:33:06 ‹greengrunt› LOL@Daigle
02/09/2008 20:33:09 ‹cappadocius› yay Rovagug!
02/09/2008 20:33:11 ‹Blazej› The Test of the Starstone: The Card Game!
02/09/2008 20:33:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› " . . . and a divine rank"
02/09/2008 20:33:18 ‹BrianCortijo› Gnomes!!
02/09/2008 20:33:19 * cappadocius does a jaunty little jig of apocalypse.
02/09/2008 20:33:28 ‹James Jacobs› A starstone adventure would be awesome! It's also something we won't be ready to even think about for years and years.
02/09/2008 20:33:33 ‹greengrunt›
02/09/2008 20:33:41 ‹Pygon› boxed set!
02/09/2008 20:33:43 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I'd make a nice Epic module.
02/09/2008 20:33:50 ‹Russ› Can ANY mortal be promoted? I'd sort of hope you need a certain amount of special to be able to handle godhead without exploding or some such.
2/09/2008 20:33:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› I would love to see a creepy Bleached fey gnome druid guardian show up somewhere after reading the campaign setting.
2/09/2008 20:34:07 ‹Russ› Ross - it'd result in a flood of immortals
02/09/2008 20:34:08 ‹Ross› The whole treasure entry would be one line: You're a God now. Good luck with that.
02/09/2008 20:34:13 ‹greengrunt› They should have a god called The Demoter!
20:34:14 ‹James Jacobs› Yup; it WOULD make a nice epic module. Which means it can't come out until we fix/settle on the epic rules for the Pathfinder RPG... which is a project for the far future.
02/09/2008 20:34:22 ‹Charles Evans› A starstone adventure would have to be cowritten by Pett AND Logue, to represent the mind unravelling nature of th#e tests
02/09/2008 20:34:22 ‹cappadocius› Can Wes or James talk a bit about the Pathfinder Modules scheduled after November?
02/09/2008 20:34:23 ‹James Jacobs› Any mortal can be promoted to a deity, yes.
02/09/2008 20:34:35 ‹cappadocius› Not the APs, but the modules?
02/09/2008 20:34:46 ‹James Jacobs› It's not something that happens often at all, though... deity promotions, that is.
02/09/2008 20:34:59 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Yup! We can!
02/09/2008 20:35:08 ‹greengrunt› The Demoter can run around and on a whim demote gods to mortal status!! :razz:
02/09/2008 20:35:08 ‹James Jacobs› What'cha wanna know?
02/09/2008 20:35:10 * Sir Wulf joins Main
02/09/2008 20:35:13 ‹Russ› So is it possible to be both a demigod and insufficiently skilled to use your abilities?
02/09/2008 20:35:21 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yup.
02/09/2008 20:35:26 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> WOW!!! http://www.inews3.com/topstory...36f6273
02/09/2008 20:35:26 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, WesSchneider, has any thought been given to the gnomish Bleaching and the age tables in the Player's Guides/Campaign Setting/RPG rulebook?
02/09/2008 20:35:34 ‹cappadocius› I'd have more specific questions if the release schedule were more up to date...
02/09/2008 20:35:36 ‹Ross› It would seem like the age table wouldn't apply.
02/09/2008 20:35:37 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› Charles Evans, Hells yeah!! Logue + Pett = :excite::excite::excite::excite::excite::excite:
02/09/2008 20:35:40 ‹Daigle› wb Wulf
02/09/2008 20:35:45 ‹cappadocius› But I do remember seeing Keith Baker's writing E2!
02/09/2008 20:35:56 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, unless we're talking about Norse's panethon.. then you get to be a demi-god by becoming a valkerye... well if you're a hot warrior woman anyway :)
02/09/2008 20:35:59 ‹cappadocius› What exactly is the event there?
02/09/2008 20:36:01 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> Creeeepy...
02/09/2008 20:36:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm picutring . . . "Svarptrug Skregling, goblin demigod of running really fast and being too short for most traps to take your head off . . . "
02/09/2008 20:36:42 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> :dance2:
02/09/2008 20:37:00 ‹greengrunt› I like that idea Knight
02/09/2008 20:37:13 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Why not? It's basically just a different kind of flavor; humans get wrinkly, gnomes get bleachy.
02/09/2008 20:37:27 ‹greengrunt› Except ... A Nordic Goblin??? :-k Might work??
02/09/2008 20:37:29 ‹Russ› So who's promoted the most? :)
02/09/2008 20:37:44 ‹Pygon› Fray... w.t.h.. :)
02/09/2008 20:37:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm still pondering a demigod that can be used kind of like Q or Myxlptlxk . . .
02/09/2008 20:37:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› thats funny fray
02/09/2008 20:38:06 ‹cappadocius› Ross, you make an excellent point regarding the age tables.
02/09/2008 20:38:09 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> The release schedule is indeed up to date. We're ramping back to 6 modules a month. Coming up next, in order: Hungry Are the Dead; The Pact Stone Pyramid; Clash of the Kingslayers; Blood of Dragonscar. That's pretty much all we've announced so far.
02/09/2008 20:38:10 * BrianCortijo quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 20:38:14 ‹Fray› :lick::excite:O.O:tinfoil::plot::w00t:
02/09/2008 20:38:22 ‹WesSchneider› Cappa... you might know as much as we do. Keiths mgiht be as far as we have assigned thus far. Though there's definitely some ideas. Rich Pett has one in particular we're keen to get him on.
02/09/2008 20:38:24 ‹Daigle› Sweet 6 a month!
02/09/2008 20:38:30 ‹Daigle› ;)
02/09/2008 20:38:44 ‹Pygon› there goes my wallet again.
02/09/2008 20:38:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› month, year, decade, century, they all run together . . .
02/09/2008 20:38:50 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Aroden, I suspect, promoted the most deities. But maybe not. That's not necesarilly something we're ready to nail down.
02/09/2008 20:38:51 ‹Daigle› :lol:
02/09/2008 20:38:53 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, because Gnomes are immortal if they don't get bored, but can age to death in a few years if they are. The tables int he CS are drastically oversimplified.
02/09/2008 20:39:03 ‹cappadocius› James: Clash and Blood aren't on the release schedule. They're listed in the store, but not the product schedule at http://paizo.com/paizo/about/schedule
02/09/2008 20:39:04 ‹greengrunt› Six...er... a month... ](*,)
02/09/2008 20:39:30 ‹cappadocius› Wes: Can you reveal the basic "pitch" for Pett's?
02/09/2008 20:39:35 ‹cappadocius› or is that a trade secret?
02/09/2008 20:39:53 * cappadocius will just poke Keith until he tells him about Dragonscar.
02/09/2008 20:39:57 ‹BrianCortijo› Bleah.
02/09/2008 20:40:02 ‹greengrunt› I thought the basic pitch to Pett was the screwdriver?? No?? Damn!
02/09/2008 20:40:05 * Lilith joins Main
02/09/2008 20:40:15 ‹Fray› :hugs: Lilith
02/09/2008 20:40:17 ‹Daigle› wb Lilz
02/09/2008 20:40:20 ‹Eyebite› wb Lilith
02/09/2008 20:40:31 ‹James Jacobs› OMG. Six modules a month! I'd pretty much drop dead at #4.
02/09/2008 20:40:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'd love to see some "capstone" adventures that are tangentially tied into various APs set at just beyond the top level of the AP
02/09/2008 20:40:38 ‹WesSchneider› We have a product schedule? Neat!
02/09/2008 20:40:47 ‹Daigle› :lol: Wes
02/09/2008 20:40:47 ‹greengrunt› :D
02/09/2008 20:40:49 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› WesSchneider, :lol:
02/09/2008 20:40:49 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Fortunately, its biologically impossible for a gnome to not get bored.
02/09/2008 20:41:02 ‹greengrunt› Really??
02/09/2008 20:41:03 ‹BrianCortijo› What was that about a PG-13 rating?
02/09/2008 20:41:12 ‹James Jacobs› AND: There's a lot about the game that's drastically oversimplified.
02/09/2008 20:41:23 ‹Blazej› Ross, I assume that gnomes inevitably experience a downward spiral of not having an exciting enough year, then getting more bored and such.
02/09/2008 20:41:25 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> The Pett module is still in Secret Mode.
02/09/2008 20:41:31 * Mr Baron joins Main
02/09/2008 20:41:33 ‹cappadocius› curses!
02/09/2008 20:41:39 ‹Daigle› Howdy baron
02/09/2008 20:41:52 ‹greengrunt› Gnomes never get bored? Do they have an incredible form of ADD... So much to the point where they can't really stick with something than say more than 15 min??
02/09/2008 20:41:54 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I realize that given an eternity, you'll eventually run out of things to do. Does this mean the gnome age tables just apply to NPCs, for 'average' rate of bleaching?
02/09/2008 20:41:59 ‹greengrunt› Hey Mr. Baron
02/09/2008 20:42:10 ‹cappadocius› greengrunt: It's impossible for them NOT to get bored.
02/09/2008 20:42:14 ‹WesSchneider› Rich writes a whole mod about crazy British fringe-dweller shiat... woohoooo spooky.
02/09/2008 20:42:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› I always assumed that the age charts are kind of "average" representations . . . then again, my take was always that elves could live a lot longer than 700 years if they had a reason to, but I was spoiled by the Moonflower family on that one.
02/09/2008 20:42:26 ‹James Jacobs› But basically, the bleaching is pretty much just flavor; don't read too much into it. it's just the process by which gnomes age.
02/09/2008 20:42:30 ‹Mr Baron› hello!
02/09/2008 20:42:46 ‹James Jacobs› The gnome age tables apply to all gnomes in Golarion. Not necessarilly to gnomes still living in the First World.
02/09/2008 20:43:18 ‹James Jacobs› A gnome getting bored for 15 minutes has about the same amount of affect on aging as does a person aging for 15 mintues.
02/09/2008 20:43:20 ‹seekerofshadowlight› KnightErrantJR, i got spoiled the same way man
02/09/2008 20:43:20 ‹greengrunt› This bleach gig... Gnomes could be harvested for their bleach... Think of the ramifications to the laundry industry on Golarion!! :razz:
02/09/2008 20:43:37 ‹WesSchneider› gross.
02/09/2008 20:43:45 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs/Wes Schneider: You should seriously take advantage of the fortcoming Pett & Logue being in the same country, if possible, to get them to brainstorm together if you can.
02/09/2008 20:43:47 ‹Pygon› dammit who threw the gnome in with my pinks.
02/09/2008 20:43:56 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
02/09/2008 20:43:56 ‹James Jacobs› Elves, on the other hand, are a MUCH weirder case, since once they hit their max age, they don't die. They "go away."
02/09/2008 20:44:12 ‹seekerofshadowlight› sweet james
02/09/2008 20:44:14 ‹cappadocius› He means Florida.
02/09/2008 20:44:17 ‹Fray› gnomes are fantasy mods from the 80's
02/09/2008 20:44:22 ‹seekerofshadowlight› where do they go?
02/09/2008 20:44:23 ‹Ross› So the Bleaching is more or less just a drawback? Since a gnome in jail will bleach in pretty mcuh three years.
02/09/2008 20:44:25 ‹Blazej› To Flo///
02/09/2008 20:44:31 ‹James Jacobs› Seeker> Away.
02/09/2008 20:44:32 ‹Blazej› Darn you cappadocius!
02/09/2008 20:44:33 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Can you keep a gnome aliove forecver by torturing the gnome then?
02/09/2008 20:44:35 ‹greengrunt› What?? Wait? Go away?
02/09/2008 20:44:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› You know, a template for "gone away" elves would be kind of cool . . .
02/09/2008 20:44:40 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, sweet nwews about the elves. I wish that tidbit were in the CS.
02/09/2008 20:44:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol not saying huh lol
02/09/2008 20:44:45 ‹greengrunt› As in Tolkien's kind of going away??
02/09/2008 20:44:47 ‹James Jacobs› Probably to Sovyrian, or to the outer planes, or the First World, or just into hiding.
02/09/2008 20:44:50 ‹BrianCortijo› What happens if a gnome gets a really good tan?
02/09/2008 20:44:51 ‹jmberaldo› which, btw, is a weird concept. "go away" how? they fade? they take a boat do distant lands? a portal opens up and a grumpy old elf shoves the other in?
02/09/2008 20:44:58 ‹greengrunt› Sail a ship somewhere or something??
02/09/2008 20:45:05 ‹cappadocius› Ross, there's lots to do in jail!
02/09/2008 20:45:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› sweet undieing elevs i like that
02/09/2008 20:45:12 ‹Blazej› Charles Evans, really? The rack again?
02/09/2008 20:45:13 ‹James Jacobs› Most elves die from violence or disease or accidents before then, though. Living hundreds of years gives you a LOT more chances at that kind of death.
02/09/2008 20:45:20 ‹Blazej› Alright then, sigh.
02/09/2008 20:45:24 ‹Ross› cappadocius, solitary, then.
02/09/2008 20:45:25 ‹BrianCortijo› Secret to gnome immortality: ultimate frisbee.
02/09/2008 20:45:26 ‹cappadocius› You can carve the walls, you can work out and become a muscular gnome, you can teach yourself languages and skills and how to fly.
02/09/2008 20:45:28 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope. Eventually the torture gets boring.
02/09/2008 20:45:37 ‹Fray› So elves are clumsy...
02/09/2008 20:45:41 ‹cappadocius› Sorry, man. There's adventure *everywhere*
02/09/2008 20:45:53 ‹cappadocius› If you can't see that, you lack that gnomish spark.
02/09/2008 20:46:00 ‹Charles Evans› Ah well... *sigh*
02/09/2008 20:46:02 ‹James Jacobs› We talk a little more about that aspect of elves in Elves of Golarion, but we also kind of skirt the issue in an attempt to keep it a little mysterious.
02/09/2008 20:46:06 ‹Ross› cappadocius, says the psychotic gnome who wants a giant worm-god to weat the world.
02/09/2008 20:46:14 ‹cappadocius› woo!
02/09/2008 20:46:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
02/09/2008 20:46:19 ‹greengrunt› I had my dragons have the possibility to go away in a homebrew setting rather than just dying off at a dragon graveyard kind of deal
02/09/2008 20:46:22 ‹jmberaldo› I love race concepts from Dawnforge. Like how gnomes are much more fey than the usual D&D. I can imagine a dawnforge gnome "go away" to another plain. But the usual D&D elf... if they "become one with the forc...er, universe", it sounds more like it
02/09/2008 20:46:26 * Eyebite changes his/her nickname to Eyebite AFK
02/09/2008 20:46:33 ‹cappadocius› I've got a friend drawing Seebo for me. I'll link to him when she's done.
02/09/2008 20:46:42 ‹jmberaldo› or maybe turn into a flower, considering how some people see elves ;)
02/09/2008 20:46:44 ‹cappadocius› He collects the defiled holy symbols of other gods.
02/09/2008 20:46:59 ‹James Jacobs› By "Go away" I mean that at a certain age, if they're still alive, most elves leave Golarion for elsewhere. Either via teleportaion or portal or walking or whatever strikes that particular elf's fancy. Some of them stay, I suspect, and just don't admit they're SUPER old, since old elves don't get wrinkly.
02/09/2008 20:47:23 ‹greengrunt› That is a really interesting twist JJ
02/09/2008 20:47:24 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, alright. Beam me up.
02/09/2008 20:47:27 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, is there an in character, roleplay reason for why magic stops at level 9 in golarion or are you guys not touching that with a 10 foot pole? :)
02/09/2008 20:47:31 ‹Blazej› God.
02/09/2008 20:47:31 ‹Charles Evans› Ah ha, so the Queen of Kyonin could have something to do with Edasseril.
02/09/2008 20:47:45 ‹Charles Evans› 10000 year old elf.
02/09/2008 20:47:50 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> I suspect that, going forward, we'll DRASTICALLY downplay the "dragon graveyard" element we toyed with in Guardians of Dragonfall. In fact, I'd like to ignore that alltogether.
02/09/2008 20:48:04 ‹greengrunt› Cool!
02/09/2008 20:48:06 ‹jmberaldo› hehehe... ::elf adventure turns his 'last year' during an adventure:: Meh... ::shrugs, turns around and leaves in the middle of the dungeon delve::
02/09/2008 20:48:08 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 20:48:16 * Ross considers the idea that a gnome and human lifespan are about equal, and that the gnome's extended life represents the moments when they aren't bored.
02/09/2008 20:48:20 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Magic stops at level 9 because that's the way it's been in the game for decades.
02/09/2008 20:48:23 ‹James Jacobs› No other reason.
02/09/2008 20:48:37 ‹Urza› lol
02/09/2008 20:48:38 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> As a matter of fact... yes. Yes she could.
02/09/2008 20:48:39 ‹Urza› good reason :)
02/09/2008 20:48:50 ‹James Jacobs› Which makes for an interesting set of possibilities.
02/09/2008 20:48:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well james there was this 2e box set lol
02/09/2008 20:48:59 ‹greengrunt› The problem with these chats is that I'm already looking forward to Paizo products a year from now :shakefist:
02/09/2008 20:49:09 ‹Urza› seekerofshadowlight, SHOOOSH seeker :)
02/09/2008 20:49:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› Horrible "problem" to have
02/09/2008 20:49:18 ‹Daigle› That's not a problem greeny!
02/09/2008 20:49:19 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol
02/09/2008 20:49:22 ‹James Jacobs› Not everything from 2E is canon to me, fortunately for Golarion! :)
02/09/2008 20:49:24 ‹Daigle› It's an appetizer.
02/09/2008 20:49:30 ‹WesSchneider› That's how it kind of feels working on some of hem... "These are coming out WHEN!? Lame..."
02/09/2008 20:49:39 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
02/09/2008 20:49:51 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep who needs wizards in flying citys anyhow right?
02/09/2008 20:50:02 ‹BrianCortijo› Well, you could release a free, downloadable "beta" version on the website...
02/09/2008 20:50:04 * Sir Wulf joins Main
02/09/2008 20:50:13 ‹BrianCortijo› that would get them out faster.
02/09/2008 20:50:31 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I did take the liberty of mentioning to the illustrious publisher that we bother you about Tyralandi occasionally in these chats, so please, please, might he consider running a game or two to wrap it up...?
02/09/2008 20:50:36 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, and use it would seem.. .Golarion's god of magic is safe from having to be murdered because you guys decide to change the game system and get lazy on making the new system work with 20 years of lore :)
02/09/2008 20:50:45 ‹Charles Evans› (Having seen him at Gen Con UK)
02/09/2008 20:50:45 ‹Urza› use = us
02/09/2008 20:50:59 ‹greengrunt› :lol:@ Urza
02/09/2008 20:50:59 ‹Pygon› Bob cast temporal stasis on himself to weather the wait for new Paizo products. Unfortunately, the battery on his egg timer died.
02/09/2008 20:51:15 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol @Urza,
02/09/2008 20:51:21 * lynora quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 20:51:22 ‹Mr Baron› what is the latest on PF14? next week?
02/09/2008 20:51:23 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Excellent! Well done! I DO want to finish up the current adventure, because Tyralandi still has things to do!
02/09/2008 20:52:00 ‹Charles Evans› I just hope it helped...
02/09/2008 20:52:01 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not sure about PF14. We saw the first-bounds last week, so that generally means we're looking at sometime in the middle of the month.
02/09/2008 20:52:13 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› James Jacobs, Runelord Dice. What's happening with them?
02/09/2008 20:52:21 ‹cappadocius› yay! PF14 has a god article, a space article, and a plant! I'm so there.
02/09/2008 20:52:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› They work great!
02/09/2008 20:52:28 ‹Pygon› Justin - next shipment this month!
02/09/2008 20:52:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Used them for half of Gen Con.
02/09/2008 20:52:55 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, I am writing a song about the moonflowers
02/09/2008 20:52:55 ‹greengrunt› Wes> Have you ever run into a stretch of a week or so of writer's block??
02/09/2008 20:52:57 * your nickname joins Main
02/09/2008 20:53:11 ‹greengrunt› Hi nickname
02/09/2008 20:53:20 ‹Daigle› Howdy my nickname
02/09/2008 20:53:25 ‹jmberaldo› I never thought of it before, but now Ive been delving into sword&planet stuff, all Paizo's fault!
02/09/2008 20:53:35 ‹your nickname› Daigle, :shakefist:
02/09/2008 20:53:51 ‹Charles Evans› Is Justice Zenderholm (Korvosa) related to Shadowcount Siall(?) (Church of Zon-Kuthon) by the way, or was it just that the same artist provided some of their pics which is why they've reminded me of one another?
02/09/2008 20:53:59 ‹Mr Baron› S&P is the best....I am hoping to see more red planet & green planet stuff
02/09/2008 20:54:58 ‹Mr Baron› a red planet/dark sun campaign would be very interesting
02/09/2008 20:55:03 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> The dice exist! As Pygon said, there are more on the way, I believe.
02/09/2008 20:55:19 ‹Crimson Jester› what are the different types of aristocracy in and around Cheliax?
02/09/2008 20:55:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› So James, knowing that youare a fan of Clive Barker . . . if you were trying to put something inspired by Cabal into the setting, how would you go about it?
02/09/2008 20:55:31 ‹greengrunt› JJ and Wes> I forgot to ask you guys how that puzzle game marathon you're all stoked about on XBox 360 went the night before you went to GenCon
02/09/2008 20:55:31 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 20:55:31 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 20:55:38 * your nickname eats my shoe
02/09/2008 20:55:47 ‹James Jacobs› Sword & Planet stuff is great. A lot of it was VERY influential on Gygax, Kuntz, Arneson, and the founders. Is good stuff!
02/09/2008 20:55:50 ‹Pygon› Justin - I'd recommend pre-ordering. They didn't last long in stock from GenCon
02/09/2008 20:55:56 ‹Rambling Scribe› I have some Runelord dice. They are PC killers.
02/09/2008 20:56:02 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> No relation between the two; just the same artist.
02/09/2008 20:56:06 * cappadocius loves Planetary Romance.
02/09/2008 20:56:08 * Lilith has Runelord dice as well.
02/09/2008 20:56:12 ‹Daigle› Blame it on the dice, Craig.
02/09/2008 20:56:14 ‹WesSchneider› Writers block? You know, I kind of don't belive in it. I belive in wanting to play one more game of Warcraft III instead of writing... ::shrug::
02/09/2008 20:56:22 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> We'll be talking more about Chelish aristocrats in about 6 months.
02/09/2008 20:56:29 * Crimson Jester wants a set of runelord dice
02/09/2008 20:56:38 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› Pygon, I ordered them on 19 August.
02/09/2008 20:56:39 ‹greengrunt› :D Nice Wes... That is awesome.. I envy you
02/09/2008 20:56:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› Even my (non gamer) wife liked them.
02/09/2008 20:56:52 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> That allnighter before Gen Con... it was weird. I have disjointed memories...
02/09/2008 20:56:54 ‹Pygon› Justin - ooo... I can understand your question then...
02/09/2008 20:57:01 * cappadocius wants GenCon pantheon dice.
02/09/2008 20:57:05 ‹cappadocius› er.
02/09/2008 20:57:09 ‹cappadocius› GenCon? Golarion.
02/09/2008 20:57:23 * Daigle wants to curb his dice addiction.
02/09/2008 20:57:26 ‹Rambling Scribe› I rolled so many crits with those dice running Frozen Fingers, I couldn't believe it. Then at home as a player, natural ones on save or lose effects over and over again.
02/09/2008 20:57:28 ‹BrianCortijo› I picture you guys loading up the camels and running a caravan to the airport. Wasn't anything like that, was it, James?
02/09/2008 20:57:31 ‹Russ› I would like the dark sunish world, as long as it didn't make the mistake of trying to shoehorn in all the races
02/09/2008 20:57:33 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Gen Con Pantheon Dice!
02/09/2008 20:57:39 * jmberaldo had a writer's burn out this monday after writing 32 pages a sf universe's encyclopedia :P
02/09/2008 20:57:41 ‹WesSchneider› Well, admittedly, I usually have the benefit of a outline. "You will write 3,000 words about this and 2,000 words about this, and you will do it by next Monday or we'll find somebody who can."
02/09/2008 20:57:48 ‹greengrunt› Wes> Warcraft 3 online with Frozen Throne expansion??
02/09/2008 20:58:01 ‹James Jacobs› Brian> It might have been. I can't remember. But I do have a weird circular scar at the base of my neck now, and every night when Venus rises I can taste copper.
02/09/2008 20:58:13 ‹WesSchneider› The threat of deeper destitution and joblessness is the best motivator (James is kind of an ogre).
02/09/2008 20:58:15 ‹Mr Baron› lol...AP5 is still leaning towards Cheliax?
02/09/2008 20:58:19 ‹BrianCortijo› That is the mark of the Old Ones.
02/09/2008 20:58:27 ‹greengrunt› Aye
02/09/2008 20:58:30 ‹cappadocius› AP5 *is* Cheliax.
02/09/2008 20:58:39 ‹cappadocius› That's why everyone's so eager for AP6 news.
02/09/2008 20:58:43 ‹jmberaldo› Wes> like that Ogress from AP1? :)
02/09/2008 20:58:44 ‹cappadocius› we're relentless.
02/09/2008 20:58:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› James is an ogre? Traditional, Shreck, or Hook Mountain . . .?
02/09/2008 20:58:50 ‹Sir Wulf› I thought he had the mark of the Jung Ones?
02/09/2008 20:58:52 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› I ordered the Gamemastery Treasure Chest, Gamemastery Combat Pad, Basic Flip-Map, Cheliax faction shirt, all 4 current PFS scenario's and the dice.
02/09/2008 20:58:59 ‹your nickname› heh
02/09/2008 20:59:05 ‹WesSchneider› greengrunt, Frozen Throne, yes. Online, usually not (I'm not Korean). It's usually me, an Eassy computer ally, two normal computer enemies, and a lot of undead. ^_^
02/09/2008 20:59:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› Cause Hook Mountain could make for a scary task master.
02/09/2008 20:59:15 ‹your nickname› Justin [Golemthrall], not the other shirts?
02/09/2008 20:59:19 ‹James Jacobs› WES! FINISH YOUR STAT BLOCKS OR I'LL MAKE BREAD OUT OF YOUR SKULL!!!
02/09/2008 20:59:24 ‹WesSchneider› More Shrek really...
02/09/2008 20:59:26 ‹jmberaldo› heheh
02/09/2008 20:59:29 ‹WesSchneider› See, he's easy to ignore.
02/09/2008 20:59:34 ‹Daigle› Mmmm ground bone bread.
02/09/2008 20:59:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› So he's like a parfait?
02/09/2008 20:59:38 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› your nickname, not yet. I only have so much money.
02/09/2008 20:59:43 ‹Mr Baron› James - anything more you can share on AP5?
02/09/2008 20:59:45 ‹yoda8myhead› Mmmmm, Wes loaf
02/09/2008 20:59:48 ‹your nickname› WesSchneider, who is?
02/09/2008 20:59:50 ‹WesSchneider› Ewww...
02/09/2008 20:59:51 ‹Urza› lol
02/09/2008 20:59:53 ‹Daigle› :lol:
02/09/2008 20:59:54 ‹James Jacobs› RARRRRRGHHHHH <spits out finger bone in annoyance>
02/09/2008 20:59:57 ‹your nickname› :)
02/09/2008 20:59:58 ‹greengrunt› Wes> I'm still getting schooled by only ONE normal computer opponent... Aka I suck
02/09/2008 21:00:11 ‹Urza› wes is being threaten.. you think James would applaud Wes preparing for Wrath of the Lich King
02/09/2008 21:00:12 ‹Urza› :)
02/09/2008 21:00:12 ‹cappadocius› Mr Baron: AP5's last adventure will take place in Hell.
02/09/2008 21:00:14 ‹Russ› You get better bread out of the leg bones, James
02/09/2008 21:00:28 ‹your nickname› cappadocius, really?
02/09/2008 21:00:28 ‹WesSchneider› Necro rush, all the way. :P
02/09/2008 21:00:32 ‹James Jacobs› Nothing yet to say on AP5. As in, we're still getting AP4 off the ground.
02/09/2008 21:00:34 ‹greengrunt› Unless that opponent is at the gold mine nearest to my base... For some reason the comp acts a little confused
02/09/2008 21:00:48 ‹James Jacobs› mmmm... Lich King... devilsaur pets...
02/09/2008 21:00:50 ‹cappadocius› James and Wes aren't contradicting me, are they?
02/09/2008 21:00:50 ‹yoda8myhead› Will we get stats on the winged people in Cheliax?
21:00:58 ‹greengrunt› Ghoul rush with a hero??
02/09/2008 21:01:02 ‹your nickname› no...:woot:
02/09/2008 21:01:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Besides winged apes?
02/09/2008 21:01:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, in Cheliax, not just Golarion
02/09/2008 21:01:21 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Mabye. Probably not.
02/09/2008 21:01:23 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, with Lich King coming out, is Warhammer Online off your radar?
02/09/2008 21:01:33 ‹Mr Baron› whoa...lich kings & devilsaur pets?
02/09/2008 21:01:34 ‹James Jacobs› Warhammer was never really ON my radar.
02/09/2008 21:01:37 ‹your nickname› i want pc stats for the apes!
02/09/2008 21:01:45 ‹WesSchneider› Ooooh, i jsut checked out Warhammer at PAX... perdy cooooool
02/09/2008 21:01:46 ‹Mr Baron› for PF?
02/09/2008 21:01:50 ‹James Jacobs› The trailer for it looks awesome though.
02/09/2008 21:01:58 ‹greengrunt› Sounds like JJ has a nice, solid group of players for WOW
02/09/2008 21:02:03 ‹James Jacobs› Nope; lich kings and devilsaur pets for World of Warcraft.
02/09/2008 21:02:06 ‹jmberaldo› I want to see personally how Public Quests work out
02/09/2008 21:02:13 ‹Mr Baron› ok..just checking
02/09/2008 21:02:19 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, yeah but the trailer for WoW, BC, and WotLK all look awesome too :)
02/09/2008 21:02:33 ‹WesSchneider› Though with Spore, and Viva Pinata II, and Little Big Planet all coming out next month (not sure about Viva)... well, lets just we might not stay caught up with Pathfinder being on schedule for long :P
02/09/2008 21:02:39 ‹cappadocius› Spore!
02/09/2008 21:02:41 ‹WesSchneider› (KIDDING! ...Mostly)
02/09/2008 21:02:46 ‹greengrunt› Sorry.. I meant .. err.. for Wes .. as to whether or not he does the ghoul rush with one hero in Warcraft3
02/09/2008 21:02:53 ‹cappadocius› Did I ever show you guys my Pathfinder Sporelings?
02/09/2008 21:02:54 ‹jmberaldo› an excellent concept, which I stole before they even released it, removeled and turned it into something bigger, better and much more complicated :D
02/09/2008 21:03:02 ‹James Jacobs› I was playing Age of Conan for a bit, but there's a lame dead zone of not enough content between level 30 and 60. Warcraft also just frankly does everything better. I'll probably try out Warhammer... but those Blizzard guys REALLY know their shitl.
02/09/2008 21:03:04 ‹your nickname› cappadocius, nope!
02/09/2008 21:03:05 ‹Urza› PSH! the Whispering Tyrant would NOT be pleased he's being ignored for WoW :)
02/09/2008 21:03:05 * Charles Evans times back in.
02/09/2008 21:03:07 ‹jmberaldo› "remodeled..."
02/09/2008 21:03:16 ‹greengrunt› My nephew is a genius with Viva Pinata.. It's crazy
02/09/2008 21:03:18 ‹WesSchneider› greengrunt, Ha! No. I like necroes and gargoyles WAY too much ^_^
02/09/2008 21:03:20 ‹Russ› I've had to mainly give up computer games. Can't afford the time to work, game and do outdoor stuff PLUS waste my time on sinkholes like WoW
02/09/2008 21:03:23 ‹James Jacobs› Fallout 3 is the next video game I'm really looking forward to, thoguh.
02/09/2008 21:03:32 ‹BrianCortijo› They have a shitl? No wonder they pwn everyone.
02/09/2008 21:03:32 ‹WesSchneider› Mmmmmmm, Fallout...
02/09/2008 21:03:42 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Fallout 3!! Awesome!
02/09/2008 21:03:45 ‹James Jacobs› The Whispering Tyrant isn't as bad-ass as he thinks he is!
02/09/2008 21:03:49 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs...what's your middle name?
02/09/2008 21:03:58 ‹James Jacobs› Treerazer could kick his ass!
02/09/2008 21:03:59 ‹Urza› lol
02/09/2008 21:04:01 ‹greengrunt› Did you see the gameplay demos on the Fallout3 website by any chance??
02/09/2008 21:04:02 ‹cappadocius› http://www.spore.com/sporepedi...6422190
02/09/2008 21:04:03 ‹James Jacobs› My middle name = Aristotle
02/09/2008 21:04:05 ‹Rambling Scribe› When Fallout 3 comes out I'm going to get Fallout 2!
02/09/2008 21:04:09 ‹Rathendar› waiting eagerly for diablo 3 myself
02/09/2008 21:04:18 ‹WesSchneider› Aristotle
02/09/2008 21:04:19 ‹Urza› hear that everyone... whispering tyrant isn't bad ass... so don't buy his mini from paizo.com ;)
02/09/2008 21:04:27 ‹your nickname› WesSchneider, whats your first name?
02/09/2008 21:04:33 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: But the Whispering Tyrant killed arazni....
02/09/2008 21:04:35 ‹yoda8myhead› really?
02/09/2008 21:04:42 ‹James Jacobs› ... mabye?
02/09/2008 21:04:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, there is bad ass and there is Bad Ass . . . you know . . .
02/09/2008 21:04:43 ‹WesSchneider› You're not my Mama, you don't get to know. Nah :P
02/09/2008 21:04:44 ‹greengrunt› If I could paint... I would be buying the minis at Paizo!
02/09/2008 21:04:54 ‹James Jacobs› My middle name starts with an A. That's confirmed!
02/09/2008 21:04:54 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› WesSchneider, :shakefist:
02/09/2008 21:04:56 ‹cappadocius› http://www.spore.com/sporepedi...6423809
02/09/2008 21:05:09 ‹Lilith› Viva Pinata 2? :excite:
02/09/2008 21:05:06 ‹your nickname› WesSchneider, how many letters does it have?
02/09/2008 21:05:11 ‹cappadocius› This one bugs me because the Sporepedia ruins my GORGEOUS coloring job on the minotaur.
02/09/2008 21:05:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› I really wish I was a better painter . . . love the minis so far . . . as it is I'm going to end up using my Storm mini for Nualia
02/09/2008 21:05:34 ‹WesSchneider› What makes you think it's a name anyway? Maybe it's just a criticism. Like in, "F Wesley Schneider. F him all the way to Hell."
02/09/2008 21:05:38 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> He did. Which was something of a shock to all the gods. Treerazer's pretty bad-ass too. He also has the advantage of being a bad guy I invented and not being a bad guy some other guy invented! :)
02/09/2008 21:05:42 ‹BrianCortijo› I thought your first name was Fwesley...
02/09/2008 21:05:45 ‹greengrunt› Lilith.. Yeah my nephew was the first to let me know that Viva Pinata 2 was on its way months ago :D
02/09/2008 21:05:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› Wes' first name is "F". Everyone knows that.
02/09/2008 21:05:56 * Paris Crenshaw joins Main
02/09/2008 21:06:08 ‹Daigle› Howdy Paris
02/09/2008 21:06:08 ‹greengrunt› Hi Paris
02/09/2008 21:06:12 ‹WesSchneider› Lil! It's true! There's gonna be penguins!
02/09/2008 21:06:17 ‹Ross› Fallout 3 and Spore are what I'm looking forward too most.
02/09/2008 21:06:28 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Is a confronation with Treerazor going to feature in AP#3?
02/09/2008 21:06:36 ‹Paris Crenshaw› Hey, greengrunt...just giving the chat a try on the new Google Chrome browser.
02/09/2008 21:06:41 ‹Urza› Franciss or Francene
02/09/2008 21:06:43 ‹your nickname› WesSchneider, it would be a bit soon for your parents to be naming you like that...
02/09/2008 21:06:51 ‹greengrunt› Project Origin looks great too
02/09/2008 21:06:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› You know, when I was married to my ex wife I though my first and middle name were U. Bastard . . . eh . . . probably just me . . .
02/09/2008 21:07:12 ‹James Jacobs› Treerazer is probably gonna be like CR 25 or 27 or thereabouts... he'll be statted up in Pathfinder #17 but won't appear directly in the adventure.
02/09/2008 21:07:17 ‹Fray› Lighten up Francis
02/09/2008 21:07:26 ‹Pygon› sweet
02/09/2008 21:07:28 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Awesome!
02/09/2008 21:07:29 ‹your nickname› heh
02/09/2008 21:07:45 ‹cappadocius› yay Treerazer!
02/09/2008 21:07:46 ‹WesSchneider› your nickname, I don't know... my Mom's kind of... insidious.
02/09/2008 21:07:51 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: But the Oliphant could still stomp treerazor into mush?
02/09/2008 21:07:52 * Russ looks forward to all the usable stat blocks coming before and after him
02/09/2008 21:07:53 ‹WesSchneider› ::shudder::
02/09/2008 21:08:07 ‹greengrunt› Again... why i have a love/hate relastionship with these chats... Treerazer coming soon!! :shakefist:
02/09/2008 21:08:14 ‹Mr Baron› any new spoilers for AP4?
02/09/2008 21:08:17 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I thought he was in one of the Compleat Encounters. CR 16 or so.
02/09/2008 21:08:17 * Pygon is still interested in a major Golarion NPC stat book!
02/09/2008 21:08:30 ‹James Jacobs› I'm afraid that the Oliphant would probably crush Treerazer.
02/09/2008 21:08:31 ‹cappadocius› Ooo! Yeah! I want to know who Rovagug's Herald is!
02/09/2008 21:08:38 ‹greengrunt› I would seriously buy the stat block for the Oliphaunt if Paizo had it right now
02/09/2008 21:08:44 ‹Russ› Pygon - yeah, the rogue's gallery back quarter was fun!
02/09/2008 21:08:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› :sleep:
02/09/2008 21:08:45 ‹James Jacobs› No new spoilers for AP4.
02/09/2008 21:08:49 ‹WesSchneider› HINT: Pro Tip!: Bring sunscreen!
02/09/2008 21:08:50 ‹cappadocius› boo.
02/09/2008 21:08:51 * your nickname doesn't know what the Treerazor is :(
02/09/2008 21:08:57 ‹cappadocius› Treerazer.
02/09/2008 21:09:06 ‹Russ› He's just this guy, you know
02/09/2008 21:09:06 ‹Daigle› :lol:
02/09/2008 21:09:09 ‹cappadocius› Wait, AP4... That's the one we're on.
02/09/2008 21:09:12 ‹Rathendar› aka deforestationman
02/09/2008 21:09:13 ‹James Jacobs› I doubt we'll ever stat up the Oliphaunt. He'd probably be like CR lots.
02/09/2008 21:09:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› cappadocius, surprisingly, its Gabriel Lan . . . Rovagug thought that Galactus underutilized him . . .
02/09/2008 21:09:20 ‹Pygon› AP4 = Legacy of Fire
02/09/2008 21:09:29 ‹BrianCortijo› Underwater?
02/09/2008 21:09:30 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any plans for THE DARKBLIGHT to see action in PF any time soon?
02/09/2008 21:09:32 ‹Daigle› cappa, AP4 is Le....what Pygon said.
02/09/2008 21:09:36 ‹James Jacobs› Treerazer is the demon who almost took over Kyonin after the elves left during the start of the Age of Darkness.
02/09/2008 21:09:43 ‹cappadocius› Is it? Rise, Curse, Underdark...
02/09/2008 21:09:45 ‹cappadocius› oh, so it is!
02/09/2008 21:09:45 ‹James Jacobs› What's a darkblight? (so, probably not.)
02/09/2008 21:09:57 ‹your nickname› Oliphaunt CR Run like hell, yes you too
02/09/2008 21:09:58 ‹Sir Wulf› treerazor, the druidic answer to Blackrazor...
02/09/2008 21:10:02 ‹greengrunt› C'mon just stat up one CR LOTS monster!! Just one!!
02/09/2008 21:10:04 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles, I'm telling you...
02/09/2008 21:10:10 ‹Russ› James - it is the mysterious threat consuming the forest heart of that Robin Hood nation
02/09/2008 21:10:25 ‹James Jacobs› Oh. Nope; nothing planned for the Darkblight anytime soon.
02/09/2008 21:10:26 ‹Russ› Dryads and not-quite-dead treants
02/09/2008 21:10:29 ‹BrianCortijo› I want there to be a CR: LOLZ monster.
02/09/2008 21:10:31 ‹greengrunt› Or CR run like hell... Or CR use a gate spell if you got one
02/09/2008 21:10:36 ‹Charles Evans› Nirmathas.
02/09/2008 21:10:38 ‹James Jacobs› CR OH SNAP
02/09/2008 21:10:44 ‹James Jacobs› CR FILL PANTS
02/09/2008 21:10:45 ‹Charles Evans› P. 112-113
02/09/2008 21:10:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› Okay, I'm toast. See you guys next week!
02/09/2008 21:10:47 ‹greengrunt› :D
02/09/2008 21:10:48 ‹Russ› No no
02/09/2008 21:10:50 * Blazej quit (timeout)
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02/09/2008 21:10:51 * Blazej quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:10:52 ‹Russ› You've got it ALL wrong.
02/09/2008 21:10:53 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Craig!
02/09/2008 21:10:53 ‹Russ› No CR.
02/09/2008 21:10:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Scribe
02/09/2008 21:10:55 ‹James Jacobs› CR 4d6, drop the lowest
02/09/2008 21:10:55 ‹Russ› Just C.
02/09/2008 21:10:57 ‹your nickname› James Jacobs, :lol:
02/09/2008 21:10:59 ‹Russ› That's all you have time to get out.
02/09/2008 21:11:03 * yoda8myhead butters Craig
02/09/2008 21:11:03 ‹Pygon› bye Scribe
02/09/2008 21:11:07 ‹BrianCortijo› Forget alphanumerics. CRs with sound effects are better.
02/09/2008 21:11:15 ‹BrianCortijo› CR <squish>
02/09/2008 21:11:16 ‹greengrunt› Bye Rambler
02/09/2008 21:11:26 ‹Mr Baron› any other rumors/spoilers you can share?
02/09/2008 21:11:30 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight RS.
02/09/2008 21:11:31 ‹BrianCortijo› CR <bwahahahaha>
02/09/2008 21:11:31 ‹Russ› Not even C, really, more "Sa[SPLASH]"
02/09/2008 21:11:32 ‹your nickname› CR <thunk>
02/09/2008 21:11:38 ‹Daigle› Brian, sounds good.
02/09/2008 21:11:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› CR shitl? (always best to recycle jokes from earlier in the evening)
02/09/2008 21:11:46 ‹Fray› CR KABLAMMO!
02/09/2008 21:11:51 ‹Ross› CR 'Oh Gods!'
02/09/2008 21:11:55 ‹Charles Evans› CR *smooch*
02/09/2008 21:11:59 ‹BrianCortijo› +3 shitl of pwnage.
02/09/2008 21:12:06 ‹Pygon› CR WTF and LA +OMG
02/09/2008 21:12:07 ‹jmberaldo› Ok, I need to go sleep
02/09/2008 21:12:07 ‹greengrunt› CR view this monster from a 1000 league vantage point
02/09/2008 21:12:13 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:12:14 ‹jmberaldo› cya guys some other night
02/09/2008 21:12:19 ‹Daigle› Goodnight jmb
02/09/2008 21:12:20 ‹Russ› And really deadly things hit you hard enough to make arterial spray :)
02/09/2008 21:12:22 ‹Pygon› bye jmb
02/09/2008 21:12:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night cmb
02/09/2008 21:12:25 ‹greengrunt› later jmber
02/09/2008 21:12:27 ‹cappadocius› CR Logue?
02/09/2008 21:12:36 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight JMB
02/09/2008 21:12:36 ‹cappadocius› CR Pett.
02/09/2008 21:12:43 ‹Russ› They hit you so hard your grandfather needs to roll to stabilize.
02/09/2008 21:12:51 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
02/09/2008 21:12:52 * jmberaldo zombiely shambles away for his bed
02/09/2008 21:12:52 ‹BrianCortijo› I will not fight a CR Logue monster. I refuse.
02/09/2008 21:12:58 * your nickname quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:13:09 ‹Fray› CR SMURFY!
02/09/2008 21:13:15 * Paris Crenshaw quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:13:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Smurf
02/09/2008 21:13:20 * Paris Crenshaw joins Main
02/09/2008 21:13:26 ‹Pygon› time for my occasional 3.x question
02/09/2008 21:13:32 ‹Fray› CR Hofferiffic
02/09/2008 21:13:35 ‹Charles Evans› CR Uhhhh, that doesn't look at all threatening, we're doomed, aren't we?
02/09/2008 21:13:36 ‹yoda8myhead› so James, what movie(s) did you see this week?
02/09/2008 21:13:44 ‹Pygon› James - a question about art. The cover of Dungeon 150 depicting Demogorgon is what got me on my Paizo kick in the first place. It was such a different depiction from most of the other 3.x renditions of him (which were spindly, wide, green, abstract, or caricatured). Did WAR just interpret him his own way, or was the art order for 150 very specific?
02/09/2008 21:13:47 ‹James Jacobs› Wes just forgot to give a wizard NPC his stat boosts for level! HAAHAHAHAAHAH! TAKE IT, SCHNEIDER!!!
02/09/2008 21:14:01 * Paris Crenshaw discovered his first bug-worthy report in Google Chrome...and promptly loaded Safari.
02/09/2008 21:14:02 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
02/09/2008 21:14:03 ‹Daigle› yoda, it's not time for the movie segment yet.
02/09/2008 21:14:10 ‹greengrunt› :rofl: @ JJ comment
02/09/2008 21:14:19 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I saw: Tropic Thunder and Mirrors. Both quite good, even if there was a clutch of SOCIAL TROGLODYTES in the Mirrors audience... grrrrr
02/09/2008 21:14:22 * jmberaldo quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:14:29 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Does that mean that Wes gets thrown out of the power-gamer's club?
02/09/2008 21:14:31 ‹Russ› Y'all hear that IE8 beta has a bigger resource footprint than Windows XP?
02/09/2008 21:14:32 * BrianCortijo can't make fun, or he'll wind up with another short deadline.
02/09/2008 21:14:36 ‹Fray› Traitor was great too
02/09/2008 21:14:36 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, have you seen [rec]?
02/09/2008 21:14:38 ‹greengrunt› JJ> that sounded god awful man
02/09/2008 21:15:01 ‹Fray› Russ> yepper.
02/09/2008 21:15:07 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> That incarnation of Demogorgon has actually been the Paizo-favored incarnation since Dungeon #120, when we first put him on a cover (by Steve Prescott).
02/09/2008 21:15:10 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, just trying to move on past the CR dead horse jokes
02/09/2008 21:15:11 ‹BrianCortijo› :knight:
21:15:16 ‹Ross› Russ, does it? My work PC runs XP, and IE8 doesn't double the footprint. (I'd believe it on Vista, though).
02/09/2008 21:15:19 ‹Daigle› yoda, good point
02/09/2008 21:15:32 * Samwise joins Main
02/09/2008 21:15:38 ‹Pygon› JJ > Did WAR just have a knack for giving you what you wantm, then? Or did you guide WAR on how to interpret him?
02/09/2008 21:15:39 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sam
02/09/2008 21:15:42 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any questions for US?
02/09/2008 21:15:44 ‹greengrunt› What would it be like to fight a CR dead horse critter? :razz:
02/09/2008 21:15:46 ‹yoda8myhead› hi Sam
02/09/2008 21:15:53 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope! it means Wes gets a Star for noticing the error and secures his spot in the Power Gamer's club more than ever!
02/09/2008 21:15:53 ‹yoda8myhead› greengrunt, smelly
02/09/2008 21:15:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey Sam
02/09/2008 21:15:59 ‹greengrunt› Hey Samwise
02/09/2008 21:16:06 ‹Samwise› hi
02/09/2008 21:16:08 * Eyebite AFK changes his/her nickname to Eyebite
02/09/2008 21:16:13 ‹Samwise› hi
02/09/2008 21:16:14 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, what did the Trogs do?/
02/09/2008 21:16:15 ‹Russ› Ross - apparently if you opne multiple tabs, ift spawns an insane number of threads
02/09/2008 21:16:16 ‹Daigle› wb Eyebite!
02/09/2008 21:16:26 ‹Eyebite› heh, thanks!
02/09/2008 21:16:27 ‹James Jacobs› No questions for all of you. YET...
02/09/2008 21:16:31 ‹Samwise› oooooh, lag!
02/09/2008 21:16:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, loved the darklands cockroaches, not sure why . . . will ponder upon it.
02/09/2008 21:16:55 ‹greengrunt› :D@Yoda
02/09/2008 21:17:05 * Daigle always appreciates cockroaches
02/09/2008 21:17:07 * cappadocius quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:17:12 ‹BrianCortijo› Wes: <groans> Oh, LAME. I forgot to give him his stat boosts for level. Now I have to assign MORE skill points.
02/09/2008 21:17:14 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Wayne is one of those artists who just TOTALLY understands the game. For Example: The cover to Dungeon that he did that featured Vecna. Sean Glenn's art order for that cover was this: "Wayne. Paint Vecna being a bad ass."
02/09/2008 21:17:29 ‹BrianCortijo› ahem. /Wes-mode
02/09/2008 21:17:29 ‹Daigle› :lol:
02/09/2008 21:17:30 ‹Paris Crenshaw› Are you guys fielding questions on a particular topic or is it a free-for-all?
02/09/2008 21:17:34 ‹Russ› James - I love an artist who gets the CORRECT hand for Vecna.
02/09/2008 21:17:41 ‹Ross› Russ, the threads aren't that big a deal. My Vista PCs can handle it. What I'm hating is needing compatibilty mode for any site with any amount of scripting. Including Gmail.
02/09/2008 21:17:43 * Russ slaps the cover artist for "Vecna Lives"
02/09/2008 21:17:44 ‹Pygon› James - how was the 150 order phrased? :)
02/09/2008 21:17:46 ‹cappadocius› It's a free-for-all, Paris.
02/09/2008 21:17:50 ‹Daigle› Paris, this is a general Paizo chat.
02/09/2008 21:17:51 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> The trogs talked throughout the movie and ate noisy food and were just all-around "Let's treat this as if it were our own home" type folk.
02/09/2008 21:17:54 ‹Paris Crenshaw› Woohoo!
02/09/2008 21:18:00 ‹Charles Evans› Paris:free for all, theoretically PF related.
02/09/2008 21:18:09 ‹James Jacobs› FREE FOR ALL!!!!!
02/09/2008 21:18:14 ‹Daigle› Uh oh
02/09/2008 21:18:19 ‹greengrunt› :D
02/09/2008 21:18:26 ‹Eyebite› Lucha Libre style chat
02/09/2008 21:18:29 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:18:31 ‹Charles Evans› Paris with emoticons:cthulhu::wizzap::tinfoil:
02/09/2008 21:18:33 ‹cappadocius› Bonus points if you can drag the conversation to gnomes or Rovagug.
02/09/2008 21:18:34 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› who run barter town?
02/09/2008 21:18:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› You know, I never know if confronting the loud jack asses in a movie will help or escalate the matter and screw thigns up for everyone . . .
02/09/2008 21:18:40 ‹Hill Giant› Would you rather be green or have three eyes?
02/09/2008 21:18:43 ‹cappadocius› *I* run Barter Town.
02/09/2008 21:18:43 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well james vecna was a bad ass on that cover
02/09/2008 21:18:46 ‹Russ› Gnomes have LAIRS.
02/09/2008 21:18:48 ‹Samwise› ah, see, Russ . . . that was not actually vecna per se, just one of his pseudo-aspects with the mandatory maiming
02/09/2008 21:18:53 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yup. Wayne is Super Awesome.
02/09/2008 21:18:54 ‹Samwise› thats why it was the other hand
02/09/2008 21:18:59 ‹Russ› Wasn't there an old edition of D&D with a "% liar"?
02/09/2008 21:19:00 ‹Daigle› HG, depends on where the third one would be.
02/09/2008 21:19:04 ‹greengrunt› You need tranquilizer guns for movie theaters these days... I swear
02/09/2008 21:19:05 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› cappadocius, [-X
02/09/2008 21:19:13 ‹Hill Giant› Daigle, forehead
02/09/2008 21:19:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› That's why my family goes to the drive in in the summer.
02/09/2008 21:19:24 ‹Fray› Hill Giant> that depnds ont eh shade of green and where the 3rd was and if it could see anything beyond what I see now
02/09/2008 21:19:26 ‹Paris Crenshaw› I was wondering if any of the minds behind Golarion are running campaigns in Tian Xia. A close friend of mine is kicking off a campaign there, and I'm trying to help him out with some material. We're using the old Kara-Tur info, for now.
02/09/2008 21:19:27 ‹Russ› Sam - it was a cover with the hand and eye. The hand was the wrong one.
02/09/2008 21:19:32 ‹WesSchneider› Huhwha?
02/09/2008 21:19:33 ‹Daigle› Does it make me fancy and super spiritual?
02/09/2008 21:19:48 ‹WesSchneider› Bloody Ability Score increases...
02/09/2008 21:19:50 ‹Fray› KnightErrantJR> I miss drive-ins! They closed them all around here.
02/09/2008 21:19:52 ‹Eyebite› Nope just a freak. And the third eye is nearsighted
02/09/2008 21:19:55 ‹Samwise› Russ>south park! you were just looking at it backwards ;)
02/09/2008 21:20:01 ‹Daigle› Damn. I pick green then.
02/09/2008 21:20:03 ‹WesSchneider› Whatsgoingon...
02/09/2008 21:20:09 ‹Daigle› Chaos
02/09/2008 21:20:13 ‹Daigle› Pure chaos
02/09/2008 21:20:13 ‹BrianCortijo› Wes, did you remember to assign those extra skill points?
02/09/2008 21:20:14 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› WesSchneider, yeah, they can suck something fierce at times.
02/09/2008 21:20:15 ‹Hill Giant› Daigle, it might give you the Valeran discipline...
02/09/2008 21:20:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› We only have one near by, but we try to get there for all of our movie going in the summer.
21:20:31 ‹Blazej› Fray, same here! I used to live next to a drive in until they closed it down.
02/09/2008 21:20:32 ‹James Jacobs› Paris> No campaigns set in Tian Xia yet.
02/09/2008 21:20:36 ‹cappadocius› Why am I being finger wagged?
02/09/2008 21:20:39 ‹greengrunt› Drive Ins made me depressed... watching all those couples make out.. Couldn't watch the movie half the time cuz I had to drive out :razz:
02/09/2008 21:20:44 ‹James Jacobs› Kara-Tur's a great resource for Tian Xia for now though.
02/09/2008 21:20:46 ‹Fray› Blazej> Drive-ins rocked...
02/09/2008 21:20:47 ‹cappadocius› Gnomes and Rovagug are two great tastes that go great together.
02/09/2008 21:20:48 ‹Blazej› Hell. My dad managed the drive in.
02/09/2008 21:20:52 ‹Lilith› WesSchneider, so how about that Pathfinder Manga...? ;)
02/09/2008 21:20:53 * Absinth joins Main
02/09/2008 21:20:58 ‹Blazej› Yes they did.
02/09/2008 21:20:59 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, So's Rokugan. :D
02/09/2008 21:21:01 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth
02/09/2008 21:21:04 ‹greengrunt› hi Absinth
02/09/2008 21:21:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Absinth
02/09/2008 21:21:16 ‹cappadocius› ugh. Rokugan.
02/09/2008 21:21:30 ‹Absinth› Ahoy, Paizonians!
02/09/2008 21:21:36 ‹Russ› I recommend reading Master Li and Number Ten Ox for Tian Xia inspiration
02/09/2008 21:21:39 ‹Pygon› hi Absinth
02/09/2008 21:21:43 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yup! OH! And why aren't there more pictures of Merisiel, by the way! MERISIIIIIELLLLLL!!!!!!
02/09/2008 21:21:59 ‹Russ› Bridge of Birds; Story of the Stone; Eight Skilled Gentleman, by Barry Hughart
02/09/2008 21:22:05 ‹Paris Crenshaw› James>I'm glad to hear it. My friend and I started in Forgotten Realms back in the late '80s. He took a hiatus during most of 3.x edition, but has recently returned to the game, thanks to my introducing him to the Chronicles.
02/09/2008 21:22:06 * cappadocius uses Master Li and Number Ten Ox for /Exalted/ inspiration.
02/09/2008 21:22:16 ‹WesSchneider› Lilith, Hah! Coming in 2015 to a Store That Doesn't Exist not near you!
02/09/2008 21:22:26 ‹cappadocius› James and Wes! Who do I pester to get more Lini in Pathfinder?
02/09/2008 21:22:26 * Daigle agrees with James about Merisiel
02/09/2008 21:22:27 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I have something special planned for Merisiel. ;)
02/09/2008 21:22:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey, that was someting I was wondering about . . . do the ships that raid each other from Qadira and Taldor have the equivalent of Letters of Marque to legally harass ships from the other nation, or is it just an unspoken thing?
02/09/2008 21:22:37 ‹Russ› The Plum Rain Scrolls is also good
02/09/2008 21:22:41 ‹WesSchneider› Umm... whoa... uh... Hot?
02/09/2008 21:22:47 ‹Mr Baron› fan art
02/09/2008 21:22:53 ‹Mr Baron› ?
02/09/2008 21:22:56 ‹greengrunt› Hotness??
02/09/2008 21:23:24 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yay Lilith :thugs:
02/09/2008 21:23:30 ‹Blazej› It wouldn't be right to have Merisiel without her daggers.
02/09/2008 21:23:34 ‹Russ› It's apparently Lilith naked!
02/09/2008 21:23:37 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Merisiel is my fav
02/09/2008 21:23:41 ‹Lilith› Russ, I love the Master Li books. :woot:
02/09/2008 21:23:45 ‹Lilith› Russ, um. No.
02/09/2008 21:23:51 ‹WesSchneider› HAH! We've got a picture of Lini coming up in #16 that will probably get you ALL riled up ^_^
02/09/2008 21:23:58 ‹seekerofshadowlight› awww worth a try though russ
02/09/2008 21:23:59 ‹Daigle› Uh oh
02/09/2008 21:24:02 ‹Russ› the
02/09/2008 21:24:04 * cappadocius raises an eyebrow.
02/09/2008 21:24:19 ‹Sir Wulf› Li Kao and Number 10 Ox FTW!
02/09/2008 21:24:21 ‹Russ› the Plum Rain Scroll is a very good children's book in mythical japan. Apparently there are sequels!
02/09/2008 21:24:23 ‹Lilith› I have two ideas for Merisiel, one of which is an Ursula Andress/Bond movie homage.
02/09/2008 21:24:27 ‹cappadocius› Get *me* riled up? I get riled over weird things, you understand.
02/09/2008 21:25:06 ‹seekerofshadowlight› wes it lini is holding a candle and wearing a smile cappa might hurt himself
02/09/2008 21:25:07 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa; You pester us for more Lini. In fact, Wes just commissioned a really cute picture of her for Pathfinder 16.
02/09/2008 21:25:10 ‹WesSchneider› Well, do you like giant muderous demonic constructs?
02/09/2008 21:25:12 ‹James Jacobs› AND: Yay! Merisiel!!!
02/09/2008 21:25:26 ‹Absinth› Please answer KnightErrantJR's question about the letters of marque. I'd lke to know this too.
02/09/2008 21:25:28 ‹Mr Baron› I am a huge Lini fan!
02/09/2008 21:25:38 ‹Daigle› Murderous demonic constructs sounds interesting
02/09/2008 21:25:48 * clight101 joins Main
02/09/2008 21:25:50 ‹Blazej› I think my Harrow deck is broken.
02/09/2008 21:25:57 ‹Daigle› Howdy clight!
02/09/2008 21:26:07 ‹WesSchneider› Blazej, HA!
02/09/2008 21:26:07 ‹greengrunt› hi Clight
02/09/2008 21:26:09 ‹WesSchneider› Awesome
02/09/2008 21:26:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its never good to have a broken deck.
02/09/2008 21:26:15 ‹BrianCortijo› Should I be frightened of the eventual Amiri illo?
02/09/2008 21:26:20 ‹clight101› hey daigle
02/09/2008 21:26:21 ‹clight101› hi grunt
02/09/2008 21:26:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Amiri should be . . . aggresive . . .
02/09/2008 21:26:34 * Fray quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:26:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey clight
02/09/2008 21:26:42 ‹cappadocius› I think giant murderous demonic constructs are pretty awesome.
02/09/2008 21:26:48 ‹Blazej› Yesterday I got a set of true and opposite matches on the four corners.
02/09/2008 21:26:52 ‹Charles Evans› Excuse me; need to clean cache.
02/09/2008 21:26:54 ‹WesSchneider› Then just you stay tuned. ^_^
02/09/2008 21:26:58 * Charles Evans wanders off.
02/09/2008 21:26:59 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> let's put it this way... I don't think Lini would share that view.
02/09/2008 21:27:02 * Charles Evans quit
02/09/2008 21:27:10 ‹Lilith› Blazej, That's...interesting. :-k
02/09/2008 21:27:22 ‹Blazej› And just now (3 draws later) I got three true matches and two opposite matchs.
02/09/2008 21:27:27 ‹clight101› hi seeker
02/09/2008 21:27:34 ‹Hill Giant› Blazej, buy a lotto ticket
02/09/2008 21:27:40 ‹James Jacobs› You might want to have your Harrow deck checked for shining children.
02/09/2008 21:27:41 ‹Paris Crenshaw› Funny...the concept of giant murderous demonic constructs just came up (again) in the Girl Genius Online comic. ;)
02/09/2008 21:27:43 ‹seekerofshadowlight› how goes it clight
02/09/2008 21:27:49 ‹Blazej› The two true matches being in the CN and LN position.
02/09/2008 21:27:58 ‹clight101› it goes well, how about yourself
02/09/2008 21:28:12 ‹Blazej› And two of the opposite matches being in the NG and NE position.
02/09/2008 21:28:49 ‹clight101› Cutlass spiders might be the neatest idea I've seen this month so far btw
02/09/2008 21:28:51 ‹yoda8myhead› BrianCortijo, you'd be amazed what she can do with that giant sword
02/09/2008 21:29:20 ‹Eyebite› The cutlass spider sounds pretty bad ass
02/09/2008 21:29:21 ‹clight101› granted were only three days into it
02/09/2008 21:29:25 ‹BrianCortijo› Ahem. P. G. Thirteen.
02/09/2008 21:29:34 ‹Eyebite› I was pretty stoked with the blog post today
02/09/2008 21:29:43 ‹Paris Crenshaw› Yeah...I've been wanting to run a pirate-based campaign for awhile...I will definitely use them when I get around to it...which will probably be a long time...but still.
02/09/2008 21:29:53 * Fray quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:29:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, and as a totally unrelated follow up question to my last one, did the pata make it into the equipment section because Willow influence? I still remember Madmartigan's friend's sword, and him picking it up when he was fighting Kael.
02/09/2008 21:29:54 ‹Absinth› Hey, in which book can I find the bunyip? It's mentioned that often in SitS, but it's not written where to look for it...
02/09/2008 21:30:05 ‹Mr Baron› agreed - Cutlass spiders = nasty
02/09/2008 21:30:11 * Blazej quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:30:16 ‹Daigle› Absinth, Tome of Horrors, i think
02/09/2008 21:30:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› Bunyip is in the Tome of Horrors.
02/09/2008 21:30:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep i think it is in toh
02/09/2008 21:30:40 ‹clight101› I just want to make one that gets it's hands on an egotistical magic sword
02/09/2008 21:31:08 ‹James Jacobs› The bunyip's in the Tome of Horrors... but the Golarion version is in Pathfinder #1. it's a bit less over the top.
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02/09/2008 21:31:27 ‹Absinth› Would the bunyip be a creature that would make it inside the PFRPGMM?
02/09/2008 21:31:29 ‹clight101› still need to buy that book
02/09/2008 21:31:31 ‹Wyvern› Hey!
02/09/2008 21:31:32 ‹Eyebite› Hey Wyvern
02/09/2008 21:31:33 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wyvern
02/09/2008 21:31:41 ‹Absinth› Hey Wyvern
02/09/2008 21:31:44 ‹clight101› hi wyvern
02/09/2008 21:31:59 ‹Ross› Gah! Damn you Wizards! Why would you 'upgrade' a site in a manner that GETS RID OF RSS feeds!?
02/09/2008 21:32:22 ‹Wyvern› How are things this evening?
02/09/2008 21:32:33 ‹BrianCortijo› The only upgrade to Wizards' site that I can remember in the last few years is the death of Gleemax.
02/09/2008 21:32:33 ‹Pygon› tired.
02/09/2008 21:32:34 ‹clight101› most excellent
02/09/2008 21:32:36 ‹Daigle› Things are good
02/09/2008 21:32:40 ‹Paris Crenshaw› Oh! Just in case it hasn't already been said, I'd like to mention how much I appreciate the one-line description under each of the major nations in the PFCS hardcover. Sheer brilliance. That one line allows me to build on everything that's presented in the two-page description.
02/09/2008 21:33:12 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yup. The bunyip could well make it into the Pathfinder MM.
02/09/2008 21:33:22 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› James Jacobs, :w00t:
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02/09/2008 21:33:38 ‹Mr Baron› Pathfinder MM = Gencon 2009?
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02/09/2008 21:33:55 ‹greengrunt› D'oh.. Hey Wyvern
02/09/2008 21:33:56 ‹clight101› Are PF monsters in the PF books OGC?
02/09/2008 21:34:01 ‹James Jacobs› I believe that Erik Mona's the one to thank for those one-line descriptions. And I agree; it's a really good idea.
02/09/2008 21:34:04 ‹clight101› or are they IP
02/09/2008 21:34:10 ‹James Jacobs› AND: The Pathfinder MM is not yet on any schedule.
02/09/2008 21:34:30 ‹Pygon› I like summations before details. Even if it's a one-liner :) Helps set expectations.
02/09/2008 21:34:31 ‹James Jacobs› clight101> They are indeed open.
02/09/2008 21:34:45 ‹clight101› I thought so but just wanted to check
02/09/2008 21:34:55 ‹Mr Baron› so probably not Gencon 2009?
02/09/2008 21:35:06 ‹clight101› that'll be GenCon 2010
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02/09/2008 21:35:17 ‹James Jacobs› But some of them, particularly things like the deity heralds and the Mantis God, are so tied in to IP that isn't open that they might not work all that well. But you can still snag their stats for other stuff!
02/09/2008 21:35:20 ‹clight101› I don't really know
02/09/2008 21:35:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm glad you guys made boggards . . . I missed my frog monsters with bullywugs being closed content.
02/09/2008 21:35:25 ‹Pygon› hi olli!
02/09/2008 21:35:32 ‹James Jacobs› I would HOPE HOPE HOPE that the monster book comes out at the same time as the PF RPG.
02/09/2008 21:35:39 ‹ollibolli› it is not late
02/09/2008 21:35:45 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, get to work! :whip:
02/09/2008 21:35:46 ‹clight101› That'd be pretty awesome
02/09/2008 21:35:54 ‹greengrunt› Hullo Ollibolli
02/09/2008 21:35:55 ‹James Jacobs› In a perfect world, it'd come out in Gencon 2009. That might not be possible due to various factors ranging from workload to printer time.
02/09/2008 21:35:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey olli
02/09/2008 21:36:06 ‹Daigle› Howdy ollibolli!
02/09/2008 21:36:16 ‹Mr Baron› but there is still time?
02/09/2008 21:36:22 ‹Wyvern› Hallo olli
02/09/2008 21:36:24 ‹seekerofshadowlight› james clark said something about a pf toh
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02/09/2008 21:36:32 ‹Russ› Speaking of cons in August, I'm hoping Paizo will lend a hand getting PFS going at PAX in Seattle next year
02/09/2008 21:36:40 ‹clight101› Just go get fifty of your favorite writers to contibute five monsters each, Clone Buhlman and you'll have a PFMM
02/09/2008 21:36:43 ‹Mr Baron› yes..what's the latest on PF TOH?
02/09/2008 21:36:54 ‹ollibolli› hello all
02/09/2008 21:37:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› clark has been silent since his last 4e statment
02/09/2008 21:37:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› I think all things Necromancer are kind of up in the air right now.
02/09/2008 21:37:19 * Russ is all set to do monsters for a PF MM :)
02/09/2008 21:37:31 ‹seekerofshadowlight› he wont sign the gsl
02/09/2008 21:37:33 ‹Mr Baron› he has been very quiet
02/09/2008 21:37:38 ‹BrianCortijo› Okay, time for me to hit the hay. You folks have a good night.
02/09/2008 21:37:47 ‹Pygon› gnite Brian, good luck!
02/09/2008 21:37:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Brian
02/09/2008 21:37:54 ‹seekerofshadowlight› kinda feel bad for him he went all gun ho over it and then it was well crap
02/09/2008 21:37:56 ‹Russ› There's supposed to be a new GSL coming, but don't hold your breath
02/09/2008 21:38:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› Good to see you gainfully employed . . . ;-)
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02/09/2008 21:38:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya brian
02/09/2008 21:38:12 ‹BrianCortijo› Thanks, Pygon. I think I can make it to the bed, though. It's right over there...
02/09/2008 21:38:16 ‹BrianCortijo› Gainfully employed. HA!!
02/09/2008 21:38:19 ‹ollibolli› gn8 brian
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02/09/2008 21:38:22 ‹Pygon› hehe
02/09/2008 21:38:26 ‹yoda8myhead› bye Brian
02/09/2008 21:38:26 ‹James Jacobs› Seeker> Clark says lots of things.
02/09/2008 21:38:31 ‹clight101› They are revising it as we speak, hopefully it won't suck. I was also sad at the Gsl
21:38:49 ‹BrianCortijo› Night. *poof*
02/09/2008 21:38:55 ‹Absinth› Ahh, I found the bunyip...Thanks.
02/09/2008 21:39:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› heh james yes he does
02/09/2008 21:39:03 ‹Ross› clight101, they claim to be revising it. THe also claimed that DDI would be up and the GSL would be out in February.
02/09/2008 21:39:15 ‹Ross› So I'll believe it when I see it.
02/09/2008 21:39:19 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> We took a pass on PAX this year, I am told, simply because the booth space was prohibitively expensive, especially coming on the heels of Gen Con and Gen Con UK... needless to say that PAX was on the same weekend as Gen Con UK...
02/09/2008 21:39:22 ‹seekerofshadowlight› but iits not a full time gig for him so take it for what its worth
02/09/2008 21:39:35 * oops Daigle changes his/her nickname to Daigle
02/09/2008 21:39:47 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, Josh Frost also made a dig at WotC that the PFS site would be functional at launch, but it isn't
02/09/2008 21:39:49 ‹Absinth› Am I the only one that thinks about Itchy & Scratchy from the Simpsons when looking at the goblin snake in PF #1?
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02/09/2008 21:39:55 ‹James Jacobs› I have no expectations of the "new GSL" arriving anytime soon.
02/09/2008 21:40:07 ‹James Jacobs› And hinging a business on its release is pretty harrowing.
02/09/2008 21:40:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› And not in the card sense . . .
02/09/2008 21:40:31 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah the current GSL is well not a good thing
02/09/2008 21:40:38 ‹Paris Crenshaw› You mean, "It's like basing your destiny on a random selection from a deck of well-illustrated cards."?
02/09/2008 21:40:41 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Josh ALSO says lots of things.
02/09/2008 21:40:42 ‹WesSchneider› Though, Sarah and I did go to PAX and it was awesome. We're going to seriously be aggitating to have the company go next year.
02/09/2008 21:40:53 ‹Pygon› I'm passing out. Thank you again James and Wes! Have a good night, all!
02/09/2008 21:41:03 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I would never sign that thing its just to open and has odd thingsd in it
02/09/2008 21:41:03 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› ca Pygon
02/09/2008 21:41:05 ‹greengrunt› Night Pygon
02/09/2008 21:41:09 ‹Absinth› Night, Pygon!
02/09/2008 21:41:09 ‹Mr Baron› I think Josh gets paid to say a lot of things...marketing guys usually are
02/09/2008 21:41:10 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› ca = cya
02/09/2008 21:41:10 ‹Wyvern› See ya Pygon
02/09/2008 21:41:11 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya Pygon!
02/09/2008 21:41:13 ‹Wyvern› Take care
02/09/2008 21:41:14 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya pygon
02/09/2008 21:41:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, you can register characters and get your PF society numbers, so its semi functional.
02/09/2008 21:41:19 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Pygon
02/09/2008 21:41:21 ‹Russ› James - I'm not so much thinking booth space as official support of someone running Pathfinder Society for you. Judge rewards, maybe a new mod.
02/09/2008 21:41:23 ‹Blazej› Night Pygon.
02/09/2008 21:41:30 ‹Wyvern› Wes lives!
02/09/2008 21:41:30 ‹Lilith› Pathfinder art! Tavern Brawl with Harsk and Lem: http://velinov.deviantart.com/...6471746
02/09/2008 21:41:34 ‹Eyebite› Night Pygon
02/09/2008 21:41:36 ‹yoda8myhead› Are there any cons in NY?
02/09/2008 21:41:37 ‹WesSchneider› Russ: Double Amen to that
02/09/2008 21:41:49 ‹Russ› I'm volunteering to be the organizing guy.
02/09/2008 21:41:50 ‹ollibolli› gn9 pygon
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02/09/2008 21:41:50 ‹Lilith› Merisiel vs. Bugbear: http://benwootten.deviantart.c...6437487
02/09/2008 21:41:52 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, true. But Gary is a staff of one. WotC has a development department. They jsut wasted time on Gleemax and rearranging MTG.com instead of doing stuff that would make money.
02/09/2008 21:42:14 ‹James Jacobs› The thing that really scares ME about the GSL is the fact that it can be retroactively changed. Which becomes even more scary when you remember how often WotC seems to shift throguh employees... who knows WHAT the corporate attitude over there will be in 6 months, a year, or a decade?
02/09/2008 21:42:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yah! Picutres of Harsk and Lem should have nothing to do with being NSFW, so bar brawls are A OK!
02/09/2008 21:42:15 ‹Russ› PAX is now bigger than GenCon by a fair margin, though of course RPGs are a smaller leg for it than the vidya games
02/09/2008 21:42:38 ‹Samwise› yoda>where in ny do you mean? there are a few
02/09/2008 21:42:39 ‹James Jacobs› That Merisiel vs. Bugbear piece is great; it's the cover to Elves of Golarion.
02/09/2008 21:42:40 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, I completely agree. I just think that blanket statements about the failings of a company to meet their promises reflects on all companies that do so, not just the Evil Empire
02/09/2008 21:42:57 ‹Absinth› That's a great piece, Lilith. I wondered who the artist is when first seeing it. Thanks! I'd definitly like to see more of his/her art.
02/09/2008 21:43:03 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i love that one
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02/09/2008 21:43:25 ‹yoda8myhead› Samwise, here in the City. I've never heard of one, but then again, I haven't been seeking them out until now
02/09/2008 21:43:33 ‹Daigle› Howdy Laz
02/09/2008 21:43:40 ‹James Jacobs› HARSK: Get over here little guy! (Grabs at Lem's bodice. It tears.) LEM: Oh my! I've come undone!
02/09/2008 21:43:42 ‹Samwise› ComicConNY
02/09/2008 21:43:47 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, that's why I gave more than one example. WotC has failed REPEATEDLY. Magic Online updates. Version 3 of Magic Online. The Goblin Game. Gleemax features. The GSL. DDI.
02/09/2008 21:43:48 ‹Samwise› of course, its not a game convention
02/09/2008 21:44:02 ‹Blazej› AH!
02/09/2008 21:44:02 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, gross.
02/09/2008 21:44:04 ‹Mr Baron› Forest skirmish is great!
02/09/2008 21:44:09 ‹greengrunt› Hello Laz
02/09/2008 21:44:11 ‹Laz› G'evening everyone
02/09/2008 21:44:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› You know, I have to sleep soon James . . . If I dream about that, I'm sending the therapy bill to you . . .
02/09/2008 21:44:14 ‹Blazej› It is burning my brain!
02/09/2008 21:44:19 ‹greengrunt› Hi Russ...wb?
02/09/2008 21:44:23 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> What's so gross about love?
02/09/2008 21:44:29 ‹Daigle› :D
02/09/2008 21:44:36 ‹Absinth› :D
02/09/2008 21:44:39 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs or WesSchneider, when artists post Paizo art on their Deviant Art, are those then open under creative commons for use on, say, a wiki?
02/09/2008 21:44:40 ‹Crimson Jester› but is it love?
02/09/2008 21:44:55 ‹Samwise› otherwise the closest have been a few very small events NG for LG, and a few "super gamde-weekends in the past, im not sure any of those are still active
02/09/2008 21:44:57 ‹Russ› greengrunt - I've been here most of then ight :)
02/09/2008 21:45:04 ‹greengrunt› Damn...
02/09/2008 21:45:20 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> They're MADE for each other! Harsk is all beard, Lem is all hairy feet! IMAGINE THE SPOONING!
02/09/2008 21:45:21 ‹yoda8myhead› Samwise, I meant a game convention :(
02/09/2008 21:45:22 ‹James Jacobs› Ok.
02/09/2008 21:45:25 ‹WesSchneider› Humm... I think my big long PAX post got eatten... ahem. Take two
02/09/2008 21:45:26 ‹greengrunt› I think that's my cue that I should leave :razz:
02/09/2008 21:45:26 ‹James Jacobs› That may have gone too far.
02/09/2008 21:45:28 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› yoda8myhead, excellent question!
02/09/2008 21:45:31 ‹Daigle› :lol: James
02/09/2008 21:45:33 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I'm a dwarf fan. I am. But I don't need to think about...that.
02/09/2008 21:45:36 ‹Absinth› :coffee: 4 :cthulhu:
02/09/2008 21:45:37 ‹Blazej› Night greengrunt.
02/09/2008 21:45:44 ‹greengrunt› LOL
02/09/2008 21:45:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› "I love it when your beard tickles my back"
02/09/2008 21:45:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› THAT was going too far . . .
02/09/2008 21:45:56 ‹Urza› DDI keeps getting worse and worse
02/09/2008 21:45:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› ;-)
02/09/2008 21:46:02 ‹Russ› "I love it when your back tickles my beard"
02/09/2008 21:46:03 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> I'm not sure. It's probably safe to err on the side of caution and not snatch it all up for wikis.
02/09/2008 21:46:03 ‹greengrunt› Oh man... Eastern Time zone is el crappo
02/09/2008 21:46:04 ‹Eyebite› Think of the static electricity
02/09/2008 21:46:05 ‹Absinth› :D
02/09/2008 21:46:05 ‹ollibolli› gn8 greengrunt
02/09/2008 21:46:11 ‹Urza› the new annoucnement about having to buy minis after they told us we wouldn't..
02/09/2008 21:46:14 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead, DeviantArt will say what license they're released under. Contact artist to be sure. :P
02/09/2008 21:46:14 ‹Urza› bah
02/09/2008 21:46:14 ‹Daigle› greeny, then move ;)
02/09/2008 21:46:16 ‹Russ› Urza - WotC appears to be done producing things that interest me.
02/09/2008 21:46:17 ‹clight101› Problem for me is I really like 4e, the way the game plays is alot of fun. Problem is the folks at wizards have disapointed me with everything they've done since releasing the books. I'm not impressed with the New FR setting and the adventures are garbage compared to other adventures I've seen
02/09/2008 21:46:21 ‹seekerofshadowlight› eh ETZ here
02/09/2008 21:46:31 ‹Ross› Of course, if Paizo would get around to hiring me (hint hint), I'd be able to help Gary out.
02/09/2008 21:46:40 ‹Wyvern› Yes greengrunt, come to the wrong coast!
02/09/2008 21:46:42 ‹Russ› Hmm. They'd been saying only flat tokens would be free for a while now.
02/09/2008 21:46:45 ‹James Jacobs› Ah! There ya go, yoda! Words from Lilith!
02/09/2008 21:46:48 ‹WesSchneider› So, WotC had 4 1/2 pages of the PAX con book (which gets laid out here by Sarah by the by) and the con topped 58,500 attendees... so yeah, we're a little smoked that we didn't do anything about the con when it's RIGHT Down the street.
02/09/2008 21:46:59 ‹yoda8myhead› clight101, have you seen their facebook app? TERRIBLE!
02/09/2008 21:47:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› clight101, That's why they really would have been doing themselves a favor to make it favorable to for third parties to develop settings and adventures for them . . .
02/09/2008 21:47:07 ‹WesSchneider› If you want to see us there, please please please make some noise about it on the message boards. The biggest thing that gets the powers that be moving is demand.
02/09/2008 21:47:10 ‹clight101› It's pretty bad
02/09/2008 21:47:13 ‹Russ› RPGA was HUGE at PAX this year. Somethign like 1,500 tables.
02/09/2008 21:47:19 ‹clight101› I agree Knight
02/09/2008 21:47:22 ‹greengrunt› Good night everybody ,... Thanks Wes for showing up and throwing some stuff out there! And JJ... As always... You rock.. Looking forward to more of you'z guys Journal entries!
02/09/2008 21:47:32 ‹James Jacobs› Wes is right. A fan uprising of folk eager to see Paizo at PAX would be cool.
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02/09/2008 21:47:38 ‹greengrunt› Night!
02/09/2008 21:47:42 ‹Russ› I'm pretty good friends with the RPGA coordinator for PAX for the past two years and next year, and if you want me to work on it, I'll find out what it takes to get floor space.
02/09/2008 21:47:43 ‹ollibolli› TinyAdventures is fun, but totally unstable
02/09/2008 21:47:45 ‹Daigle› Goodnight greenY!
02/09/2008 21:47:45 ‹greengrunt› :gninja:
02/09/2008 21:47:47 ‹James Jacobs› Just be polite when the uprising occurs!
02/09/2008 21:47:49 ‹Lilith› Paizo @ Pax! :headbang:
02/09/2008 21:47:55 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sothal
02/09/2008 21:47:59 ‹Crimson Jester› On the Paizo boards Wes?
02/09/2008 21:48:05 ‹Eyebite› Night grunt
02/09/2008 21:48:06 ‹Sothal@work› good morning.
02/09/2008 21:48:10 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, I might start an uprising to get you to fly to the east coast
02/09/2008 21:48:12 ‹Urza› WesSchneider, *sniffles* when I asked if you guys were going to be at Icon in march last year I got a "what's Icon?" :)
02/09/2008 21:48:12 ‹Sothal@work› good morning.
02/09/2008 21:48:20 ‹Sothal@work› damn lag
02/09/2008 21:48:21 ‹Absinth› Good morning, Austria!
02/09/2008 21:48:27 ‹yoda8myhead› Urza, what's Icon?
02/09/2008 21:48:38 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey sothal
02/09/2008 21:48:43 ‹Urza› largest convention in the North East :)
02/09/2008 21:48:49 ‹WesSchneider› Yeah. We went and checked it out. It was crazy. And like full! One Sunday evening there were at least 150 folks playing D&D. People playing Pathfinder? Ummm... 0. Seriously frustrating. So please! Mention it on the boards. Sound pissed. :P
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02/09/2008 21:48:53 ‹Russ› Hmm, sorry, I think it was 1500 players, not tables, but that's big.
02/09/2008 21:48:57 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, does Paizo retain copyright on the art it commissions? If so, then you get to tell Yoda what he can and can't do with DeviantArt posts.
02/09/2008 21:49:03 ‹Sothal@work› Seeker! Is your ISP good to you?
02/09/2008 21:49:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› I-Con is the Springfield, Illinois convention, but its got a hyphen . . .
02/09/2008 21:49:32 ‹clight101› Seattle is so far away from me
02/09/2008 21:49:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› eh it is right now sothal it kicked me off last night
02/09/2008 21:49:36 ‹Daigle› Texas needs a decent con.
02/09/2008 21:49:40 ‹Urza› Icon = Island Con... more specifically Long IslandCon
02/09/2008 21:49:44 ‹seekerofshadowlight› just got backon line tonight
02/09/2008 21:49:44 ‹Urza› www.iconsf.org
02/09/2008 21:49:48 ‹WesSchneider› clight101, Then you're doing something wrong. ^_~
02/09/2008 21:49:50 ‹Eyebite› California needs some Paizo love
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02/09/2008 21:49:55 ‹Russ› (1500 players over the weekend, not all at once)
02/09/2008 21:49:56 ‹Urza› Paizo didn't go to Dragoncon either :P
21:49:58 ‹Mr Baron› I agree Daigle
02/09/2008 21:50:09 ‹Daigle› Howdy Mort
02/09/2008 21:50:09 ‹Paris Crenshaw› I need to get going, guys...I was just reminded that I need to write a letter to my daughters' teachers, so they'll know what to expect after my daughters get BOTOX injections in their legs to treat their cerebral palsy.
02/09/2008 21:50:16 ‹Russ› The Delve accounted for a big share of that, since it was just drive-by and play.
02/09/2008 21:50:22 ‹clight101› First my masters in creative writing then to seattle
02/09/2008 21:50:28 ‹Urza› GenCon UK gets all the attention
02/09/2008 21:50:30 ‹Urza› yuck!
02/09/2008 21:50:31 ‹Urza› :)
02/09/2008 21:50:32 ‹Daigle› Have a good evening Paris
02/09/2008 21:50:33 ‹Sothal@work› Austria needs a decent con as well. Hell even a Descent Con would do
02/09/2008 21:50:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› I think you gusy are making a case for Paizo to have a full time convention staff . . . ;-)
02/09/2008 21:50:38 ‹seekerofshadowlight› its ok right now sothal
02/09/2008 21:50:39 ‹clight101› night paris
02/09/2008 21:50:43 ‹mortellan› hey daigle
02/09/2008 21:50:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› it kicked me off last night
02/09/2008 21:50:49 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> What's "The Northeast?"
02/09/2008 21:50:53 ‹mortellan› yo
02/09/2008 21:50:53 ‹Paris Crenshaw› You, too! Take care!
02/09/2008 21:50:56 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, oooh now that's an idea :)
02/09/2008 21:50:57 ‹Wyvern› mort! How goes?
02/09/2008 21:51:03 ‹seekerofshadowlight› just got back online around 8 or 9 tonight
02/09/2008 21:51:04 ‹Daigle› :lol: James
02/09/2008 21:51:08 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, you silly north westerner!
02/09/2008 21:51:09 ‹Russ› KE - they have volunteers if they wish to use them!
02/09/2008 21:51:12 ‹mortellan› hey wyv, ok, weird lag here
02/09/2008 21:51:25 ‹ollibolli› gn8 paris
02/09/2008 21:51:33 ‹Paris Crenshaw› G'night all!
02/09/2008 21:51:39 ‹Sothal@work› seekerofshadowlight, cool. you think of getting a post done in the PBP?
02/09/2008 21:51:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep will be up at some time tonight
02/09/2008 21:52:07 * Laz quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:52:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› am gonna make whispers actions for her since she hasnt posted
02/09/2008 21:52:21 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Yes; we retain copyright on the art we commission for Pathfinder; we have to. That said, we also allow the author to retain the right to make prints or art books or otherwise sell the art; they just generally have to say something like "© Paizo Publising 2007" or the like.
02/09/2008 21:52:31 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, the offer still stands for me to open the Paizo East Coast office and handle all the cons and shipping and stuff from here
02/09/2008 21:52:38 * Paris Crenshaw quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 21:52:41 ‹clight101› Wes > I'm looking forward to Endless Night
02/09/2008 21:52:56 ‹Daigle› yoda, you gonna fund it as well?
02/09/2008 21:52:57 ‹clight101› better not suck
02/09/2008 21:52:57 ‹Urza› yoda8myhead, if you do that, you need to hire me as you AM :)
02/09/2008 21:53:01 ‹clight101› jk
02/09/2008 21:53:05 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, this begs a similar question...can I sell prints of my fan art, provided I include "copyright PaizoPublishing" on there somewhere?
02/09/2008 21:53:06 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, I already am. Every month
02/09/2008 21:53:08 ‹WesSchneider› Yay! Me too! It's going to be awesome if I survive it! ^_^
02/09/2008 21:53:46 ‹yoda8myhead› WesSchneider, can you provide us any spoilers?
02/09/2008 21:53:54 ‹WesSchneider› Hope you like Sandbox style paly though...
02/09/2008 21:54:00 ‹WesSchneider› Hummm...
02/09/2008 21:54:11 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, yoda8myhead, then the DeviantArt stuff just WON'T be Creative Commons: That'd violate Paizo's copyright. I'm also 90% sure that Paizo still gets to tell Yoda what he can and can't do witht he digital copy of the DeviantArt postings. But I'm not an IP lawyer.
02/09/2008 21:54:29 ‹Daigle› sandbox is excellent. It works very well with how my table seems to play.
02/09/2008 21:55:22 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, I don't want to do anything that Paizo wouldn't want me to do. Vic has said we can use anything from the Paizo blog, as long as it's credited, so I was just wondering if other "official" sources counted under that
02/09/2008 21:55:23 ‹WesSchneider› You get to deal directly with the archmage of the drow city Zirnakaynin... and she's a total B&**%! But at least she's a helpful one. There's a cave ceiling jousting match. And there's a ton of maps!
02/09/2008 21:55:50 ‹yoda8myhead› mmmmmm...mmmmmaps
02/09/2008 21:55:54 ‹clight101› Cave ceiling jousting is awesome enough for me
02/09/2008 21:56:00 * Daigle nods
02/09/2008 21:56:10 ‹clight101› That screams cinimatic
02/09/2008 21:56:12 ‹Crimson Jester› ???!?!?!?!
02/09/2008 21:56:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› "You lost the joust, AND now you take falling damage . . . "
02/09/2008 21:56:37 ‹yoda8myhead› Who's writing the upcomign support articles/journal entries/set pieces?
02/09/2008 21:56:52 ‹yoda8myhead› all this author info used to be available a lot sooner than it has been of late
02/09/2008 21:57:20 ‹Daigle› yoda, it's their way of making you work harder on your wiki ;)
02/09/2008 21:57:21 ‹yoda8myhead› also, is the cave ceiling jousting on spider-back?
02/09/2008 21:57:23 ‹clight101› I was gonna ask if you were writing any of the journals Wes but I would imagine your kinda busy with the adventure
02/09/2008 21:57:42 ‹clight101› Yoda, you have a PF wiki?
02/09/2008 21:57:49 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I think so. I'm not sure. THEY are still working on the fan website language. I'll see if I can't poke and prod them a little to get that stuff done faster.
02/09/2008 21:57:52 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, I already work hard enough. I spent almost 8 hours today at work doing that and NOT working
02/09/2008 21:58:03 ‹Ross› clight101, he does. It's awesome.
02/09/2008 21:58:05 ‹yoda8myhead› clight101, it's not mine, but I do most of the work, at least currently
02/09/2008 21:58:06 ‹clight101› what's the address
02/09/2008 21:58:09 ‹Daigle› At least you have the kind of job where you *can* do that.
02/09/2008 21:58:09 ‹Ross› www.pathfinderwiki.com
02/09/2008 21:58:10 ‹WesSchneider› More like: You lost the joust, don't even bother rolling, if the few thousand foot fall doesn't kill you, the spiked rooftops of the city below surely will
02/09/2008 21:58:20 ‹clight101› I need to Bookmark that
02/09/2008 21:58:20 ‹Daigle› I envy you slacker office drones. ;)
02/09/2008 21:58:34 ‹yoda8myhead› clight101, bookmark away...and contribute
02/09/2008 21:58:36 ‹WesSchneider› Nope, it's on Cave Gecko back
02/09/2008 21:58:38 ‹Russ› Surely some of them know feather fall
02/09/2008 21:58:53 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, sometimes it's hard work. I'm just good at procrastinating and still getting it all done
02/09/2008 21:59:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› "Not to mention the poor unsuspecting ******* in the fun house"
02/09/2008 21:59:01 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :shakefist:
02/09/2008 21:59:01 ‹Daigle› Nice
02/09/2008 21:59:07 ‹yoda8myhead› WesSchneider, new monster then?
02/09/2008 21:59:07 ‹WesSchneider› The illo of the fight (there's an ill of the fight) will be run upsidedown... or rather, right side up since the characters are upsidedown
02/09/2008 21:59:27 ‹WesSchneider› Nah, just a templated one
02/09/2008 21:59:30 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Upcoming set peice and article authors INCLUDE: Jeff Grubb, Amber Scott, me, James Sutter, Wes, J.D. Wiker, umm...
02/09/2008 21:59:47 ‹WesSchneider› Russ, If they're lucky they do.
02/09/2008 21:59:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› More Eric Boyd?
02/09/2008 21:59:54 ‹Eyebite› Jeff Grub! Nice
02/09/2008 21:59:57 ‹Daigle› Is Amber doing a Set Piece or an article?
02/09/2008 22:00:00 ‹WesSchneider› Darren Draider
02/09/2008 22:00:02 ‹Eyebite› Grubb
02/09/2008 22:00:08 ‹Daigle› Darrin!!
02/09/2008 22:00:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› (Yes, very happy with Jeff)
02/09/2008 22:00:11 ‹WesSchneider› Wolf
02/09/2008 22:00:18 ‹yoda8myhead› nice
02/09/2008 22:00:21 ‹James Jacobs› OMG! THe new monster art for PF 16 is great!
02/09/2008 22:00:26 * Charles Evans joins Main
02/09/2008 22:00:32 ‹Wyvern› Darrin! And Wolf!
02/09/2008 22:00:32 ‹yoda8myhead› lemme see!
02/09/2008 22:00:32 ‹Russ› Jeff Grubb is nice too hear.
02/09/2008 22:00:39 ‹James Jacobs› No Eric Boyd in the foreseable future.
02/09/2008 22:00:40 ‹Russ› And the jedi is usually fun
02/09/2008 22:00:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› Dang
02/09/2008 22:00:46 ‹Mr Baron› what monster are you looking at?
02/09/2008 22:00:47 ‹Sothal@work› JJ can you get the "Product Schedule"-paige on Paizo to update as well?
02/09/2008 22:00:54 ‹Eyebite› Wolfgang, Nice. You guys aren't featuring him enough.
02/09/2008 22:00:54 ‹James Jacobs› Amber's doing the Celwynvian gazetteer article.
02/09/2008 22:01:01 ‹Daigle› Sweet
02/09/2008 22:01:02 ‹James Jacobs› Sothal> Website work is beyond my skillset, alas.
02/09/2008 22:01:20 ‹Absinth› James, will we see the artist again, that did the awesome bestiary for PF #6? Can't remember his name though...
02/09/2008 22:01:23 ‹James Jacobs› OH! That's somethign I can spoil! We got Darrin Drader to write the 3rd adventure in Legacy of Fire.
02/09/2008 22:01:25 ‹WesSchneider› Sean's got a god article on Calistria coming up soon ^_^
02/09/2008 22:01:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its not a class skill for James.
02/09/2008 22:01:31 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› okay, eyes are failing me
02/09/2008 22:01:39 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› time to sleep
02/09/2008 22:01:39 ‹Sothal@work› JJ can you get someone to update the "Product Schedule"-paige on Paizo then?
02/09/2008 22:01:41 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› have fun a
02/09/2008 22:01:43 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› all
02/09/2008 22:01:47 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Justin
02/09/2008 22:01:51 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Kevin Crossley did the monster art for PF 6. We'll see if we can get him back in PF.
02/09/2008 22:01:52 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, Suh-weet
02/09/2008 22:01:53 ‹Wyvern› See ya Justin
02/09/2008 22:01:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Justin
02/09/2008 22:01:56 ‹yoda8myhead› night Justin
02/09/2008 22:01:58 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› JJ, Wes, thanks for stopping in.
02/09/2008 22:02:08 * Justin [Golemthrall] waves goodbye to all
02/09/2008 22:02:09 ‹James Jacobs› Sothal> I'll see what I can do!
02/09/2008 22:02:18 ‹Sothal@work› Thanks!
02/09/2008 22:02:22 * Justin [Golemthrall] bows before the GolemLords
02/09/2008 22:02:24 ‹James Jacobs› OMG... that Calistria article is gonna get us in trouble, I predict.
02/09/2008 22:02:32 ‹Justin [Golemthrall]› James Jacobs, :headbang:
02/09/2008 22:02:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
02/09/2008 22:02:34 ‹Crimson Jester› oh why James?
02/09/2008 22:02:44 ‹Mr Baron› do tell
02/09/2008 22:02:44 ‹James Jacobs› Also... I had to ask an artist to cover up a pair of morlock nipples today.
02/09/2008 22:02:46 * Justin [Golemthrall] changes his/her nickname to Justin the :sleep:er
02/09/2008 22:02:49 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Becasue of the sex!
02/09/2008 22:02:53 ‹Sothal@work› Better Question is Why not?
02/09/2008 22:02:55 ‹Mr Baron› lol
02/09/2008 22:02:58 ‹James Jacobs› SEX!!!! PROTECT THE CHILDREN!!!
02/09/2008 22:03:02 ‹Absinth› Thanks James, I found his site: http://www.kevcrossley.com/
02/09/2008 22:03:06 ‹yoda8myhead› Will the Cayden Cailean article that comes out this month have a PrC? I was so sad not to get one for ZK
02/09/2008 22:03:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› What body slot do magic nipple clamps take up anyway?
02/09/2008 22:03:15 * mortellan quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:03:22 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, Morlock nipples? I think it's best if they're covered.
02/09/2008 22:03:22 ‹Blazej› Chest.
02/09/2008 22:03:23 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, Ring. :plot:
02/09/2008 22:03:31 ‹Daigle› Knight, they're slotless which is why they cost more
02/09/2008 22:03:33 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> There is a PrC in the Cayden article.
02/09/2008 22:03:40 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, oh noes! Not teh bewbs! :ohnoes:
02/09/2008 22:03:46 ‹Blazej› Like Lilith's answer more.
02/09/2008 22:03:47 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:03:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, man, I'm being careful here . . .
02/09/2008 22:03:47 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> if you saw the art... you would agree.
02/09/2008 22:03:58 ‹yoda8myhead› I think the sex will be ok. How many kids are buying PF? The 3.x audience is older anyhow
02/09/2008 22:04:16 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Thing is, folk freak out about sex a LOT more than violence.
02/09/2008 22:04:27 ‹James Jacobs› At least, in the good old USA.
02/09/2008 22:04:27 ‹yoda8myhead› let 'em freak out
02/09/2008 22:04:28 ‹Blazej› Daigle, Like Ioun stones. Except attached to your nipples.
02/09/2008 22:04:28 ‹Crimson Jester› I happen to be a big proponent of Sex. In many and in varied ways.
02/09/2008 22:04:30 ‹Ross› KnightErrantJR, amulet slot. I think there is a magic nipple clamp in BoVD, actually.
02/09/2008 22:04:37 ‹ollibolli› over there, here it is the other way round
02/09/2008 22:04:41 ‹yoda8myhead› all us D&D'ers are left-wing, Obama freaks anyway
02/09/2008 22:04:43 ‹Daigle› Blazej, precisely
02/09/2008 22:04:44 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, that's because Americans are dumb that way.
02/09/2008 22:04:49 ‹yoda8myhead› we hippies looooove sex
02/09/2008 22:04:56 ‹clight101› lol
02/09/2008 22:04:58 ‹Crimson Jester› Not all of us are Obama freaks thank you
02/09/2008 22:05:08 ‹Sothal@work› No wonder. Turn on the News, what do you see? Violence. But Sex.-channel is Pay per View...
02/09/2008 22:05:10 ‹Mr Baron› ok...time to get back to work
02/09/2008 22:05:14 ‹Ross› They'd rather drop bombs from planes than condoms.
02/09/2008 22:05:18 ‹Daigle› Take care Baron
02/09/2008 22:05:20 ‹Russ› CJ - the McCain campaign thinks D&D = love Obama.
02/09/2008 22:05:21 ‹clight101› I gotta get to bed. Thanks for the conversation folks. Night all
02/09/2008 22:05:29 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Mr Baron
02/09/2008 22:05:33 ‹clight101› and thanks for the infor JJ and Wes
02/09/2008 22:05:34 ‹Mr Baron› see you all next week!
02/09/2008 22:05:36 ‹Russ› Though I'd rather put a bullet through my head than put another Bush in the white house, so I know where my vote goes
02/09/2008 22:05:38 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight clight101
02/09/2008 22:05:39 ‹Daigle› ....and we're done with the politics.
02/09/2008 22:05:44 ‹Daigle› Move on.
02/09/2008 22:05:47 * clight101 quit
02/09/2008 22:05:49 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol good man russ
02/09/2008 22:05:51 ‹WesSchneider› Ha! So, I saw the art for the priest of Calistria the other day and didn't know what it was for and was just like "Oh shit, what did I order this for? Was it like pride weekend or something 'cuase the dude's pretty... uh... flamboyant."
02/09/2008 22:05:52 ‹Eyebite› :lol:
02/09/2008 22:05:58 ‹Ross› Daigle, yes. Moving on.
02/09/2008 22:06:08 ‹Crimson Jester› No Russ one idoit on the staff said something incredilbly stupid
02/09/2008 22:06:15 ‹Russ› Good, we need more sexual diversity in gaming
02/09/2008 22:06:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gives Daigle Nipple Clamps of Diplomacy +5
02/09/2008 22:06:19 ‹yoda8myhead› WesSchneider, yay!!!
02/09/2008 22:06:24 ‹Daigle› Wes :lol:
02/09/2008 22:06:25 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
02/09/2008 22:06:31 ‹yoda8myhead› I suspect another Gays in Golarion thread coming!
02/09/2008 22:06:33 ‹Lilith› WesSchneider, Nice! :woot:
02/09/2008 22:06:39 ‹Daigle› Thanks Knight. I think they look nice!
02/09/2008 22:06:45 * Mr Baron quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:06:52 ‹Russ› CJ - yep, the McCain Campaign is what I said. It made it on the web site, ergo it was an approved message.
02/09/2008 22:06:52 * Lilith votes for more pretty boys in Pathfinder.
02/09/2008 22:06:55 ‹WesSchneider› It's true. But in context it was much more, okay that works
02/09/2008 22:07:04 ‹Sothal@work› Daigle, you already have them on, don't you?
02/09/2008 22:07:08 * Lilith makes a note to have some pretty boy Fan Service.
02/09/2008 22:07:16 ‹Daigle› Sothal, or course ;)
02/09/2008 22:07:18 ‹Ross› Russ, Crimson Jester, as much fun as that debate would be, now is not the time and Lilith's chat is not the place.
02/09/2008 22:07:21 ‹Daigle› or=of
02/09/2008 22:07:34 ‹Crimson Jester› Very true Ross
02/09/2008 22:07:34 ‹Russ› I suspect the perky ZK cultist plays both sides of the field.
02/09/2008 22:07:44 ‹Daigle› Whoever wants to is more than welcome to make a side room, however.
02/09/2008 22:07:47 ‹Russ› Really, all four sides, when you include the living/dead axis
02/09/2008 22:07:56 ‹Blazej› WesSchneider, he is so +1 flaming.
02/09/2008 22:08:01 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: Umm you mean vote republican and Democrat?
02/09/2008 22:08:03 ‹WesSchneider› Lilith, NOTED! You wil lbe held to that.
02/09/2008 22:08:04 ‹yoda8myhead› Blazej, lol
02/09/2008 22:08:11 ‹WesSchneider› Dude, no, like +5
02/09/2008 22:08:11 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith! Hook Wes up with some Seltyiel art!
02/09/2008 22:08:12 ‹Samwise› ummmmm
02/09/2008 22:08:16 ‹WesSchneider› But he's cool ^_^
02/09/2008 22:08:22 ‹Hill Giant› Speaking of the Perky Kuthonite: how does one make fitted chainmail??
02/09/2008 22:08:24 ‹WesSchneider› 0_0
02/09/2008 22:08:25 ‹Blazej› WesSchneider, ah, thanks for the correction.
02/09/2008 22:08:37 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :aww:
02/09/2008 22:08:42 ‹Samwise› Russ>i dont think they realize the danger of such talk when the two of us are in a chat room together
02/09/2008 22:08:44 ‹WesSchneider› Haha, no prob. You'll get it when you see it ;P
02/09/2008 22:08:44 ‹yoda8myhead› Hill Giant, on the wearer. one link at a time
02/09/2008 22:08:53 ‹Crimson Jester› Hill Giant I dont know how to make fitted Chainmail but I have seen it and it was awe inspiring
02/09/2008 22:08:55 ‹Russ› Hill Giant - you sew it to spandex. Which doesn't exist yet.
02/09/2008 22:09:20 ‹Charles Evans› I thought magical chainmail automatically resized anyway?
02/09/2008 22:09:21 ‹Daigle› Sam...I'm very aware :D
02/09/2008 22:09:33 ‹Charles Evans› in 3.5?
02/09/2008 22:09:35 ‹Samwise› Daigle>then warn them before its too late!
02/09/2008 22:09:37 ‹Russ› Charles Evans - not to continue the topic, but yes, I have voted for people in many parties, including the major two.
02/09/2008 22:09:41 ‹Daigle› :lol:
02/09/2008 22:09:42 ‹James Jacobs› Ugh. That picture...
02/09/2008 22:09:49 ‹Hill Giant› It's sewing the zipper into the chainmail body suit that's the real problem
02/09/2008 22:09:50 ‹WesSchneider› As for prestige classes, the ZK prestige class kind of got repurposed as the Pain Taster in PF #15.
02/09/2008 22:09:56 ‹James Jacobs› It's true.
02/09/2008 22:10:03 ‹Russ› That sounds fun, Wes!
02/09/2008 22:10:19 ‹Blazej› Fun?
02/09/2008 22:10:23 ‹Eyebite› Alright kids, I'm out. G'night!
02/09/2008 22:10:25 ‹James Jacobs› The Pain Taster is presented as a drow class... but it's mentioned that Zon-Kuthonites can take it too.
02/09/2008 22:10:28 ‹Crimson Jester› wow um yeah
02/09/2008 22:10:32 ‹Moth working› I vote for more chainmail body suits and perky bondage elves!
02/09/2008 22:10:32 ‹James Jacobs› I mean: they can TAKE it.
02/09/2008 22:10:33 ‹Blazej› Ah, ok.
02/09/2008 22:10:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Eyebite
02/09/2008 22:10:36 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Eyebite!
02/09/2008 22:10:39 ‹WesSchneider› 0_o
02/09/2008 22:10:42 ‹WesSchneider› Whoa
02/09/2008 22:10:43 ‹Blazej› ...
02/09/2008 22:10:48 ‹Crimson Jester› Perky bondage elves!!!!!!!!!!
02/09/2008 22:10:48 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight eyebite
02/09/2008 22:10:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› What are the stat adjustments for bondage elves?
02/09/2008 22:10:54 ‹Russ› Perky bondage necrophiliac elves!
02/09/2008 22:11:03 ‹Blazej› So.
02/09/2008 22:11:06 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: You mean Laori?
02/09/2008 22:11:11 ‹Blazej› What is chat about again.
02/09/2008 22:11:11 ‹Russ› KE - you would assume there's a Dex penalty in there
02/09/2008 22:11:16 ‹James Jacobs› I wish her art had come out better. Oh well.
02/09/2008 22:11:29 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm. Maybe not the N bit.
02/09/2008 22:11:34 ‹Crimson Jester› whats the template for Perky?
02/09/2008 22:11:45 ‹Daigle› :)
02/09/2008 22:11:48 ‹Russ› +2 Cha, -2 Str
02/09/2008 22:11:52 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:12:10 ‹Russ› -5 morale penalty on art orders
02/09/2008 22:12:27 * Moth working changes his/her nickname to Moth
02/09/2008 22:12:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, of the drow I've seen so far, they look a hell of a lot better than the drow in the 3.5 Drow of the Underdark
02/09/2008 22:12:46 ‹Russ› +Cha to deflection when wearing cheesecake outfits
02/09/2008 22:12:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Not big on female drow with mullets . . .
02/09/2008 22:12:57 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, is it like a masochist class?
02/09/2008 22:13:06 ‹Russ› Hey, has anyone ever explained why drow have big boobs, and elves don't?
02/09/2008 22:13:08 ‹Moth› James, when am I going to get to see my Mothman (mothmen?) brothers in Second Darkness?
02/09/2008 22:13:35 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Do you worry about running out of members of the Vancaskerkin family any time soon? How long before it becomes a 'jump the shark' moment.
02/09/2008 22:13:36 ‹Hill Giant› They're not boobs, they're spider egg-sacs
02/09/2008 22:13:36 ‹Daigle› Good question Mothy!
02/09/2008 22:13:39 ‹Moth› The drow art so far is awesome
02/09/2008 22:13:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Russ, well, they do have a higher birth rate than normal elves . . . perhaps their mammaries have adapted to this?
02/09/2008 22:14:14 ‹Charles Evans› I mean the obligatory member in the first installment of an AP?
02/09/2008 22:14:18 ‹Ross› Alright. It's after one here. I have to go to work tomorrow. I can't justify staying up any longer. See everyone later.
02/09/2008 22:14:26 ‹Moth› Russ: Its that underdark radiation at work again no doubt
02/09/2008 22:14:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Ross
02/09/2008 22:14:33 ‹Russ› Did what's-her-name grow a cup size in the middle of that council meeting? :)
02/09/2008 22:14:37 ‹Moth› See you Ross
02/09/2008 22:14:41 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Ross!
02/09/2008 22:14:44 * Ross quit
02/09/2008 22:14:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Blessings of Soccothbenoth?
02/09/2008 22:15:23 ‹Charles Evans› .
02/09/2008 22:15:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› and/or Nocticula, to give proper credit.
02/09/2008 22:15:31 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Sort of. They get bonuses for enduring pain, and have some pretty cool defensive tricks.
02/09/2008 22:15:40 ‹yoda8myhead› yes, are the drow who worship soccoth benoth all incest-deformed mutants?
02/09/2008 22:15:51 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Because big boobs move product?
02/09/2008 22:16:07 ‹yoda8myhead› the move more than product!
02/09/2008 22:16:14 ‹James Jacobs› Moth> Mothman appears in Pathfinder 16.
02/09/2008 22:16:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, yoda, there is a difference between engaing in activities with relatives and producing off spring . . .
02/09/2008 22:16:23 * Russ has a certain fondness for the art on the Queen of the Spiders supermodule
02/09/2008 22:16:28 ‹Russ› Eclavdra is STACKED.
02/09/2008 22:16:36 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I don't worry at all. The Vancaskerkin "arc" was sort of planned at the back of my head all along. Pathfinder #13 is the last time they'll show up, I suspect.
02/09/2008 22:16:42 ‹Samwise› drow loving
02/09/2008 22:16:42 ‹Moth› James: cool, thanks
02/09/2008 22:16:49 ‹James Jacobs› SO if they haven't done any shark jumping by 13, they won't.
02/09/2008 22:16:50 ‹Charles Evans› Ah.
02/09/2008 22:16:59 ‹Daigle› James, how much do you have worked up (in your head and notes at least) about the other demon lords in the CS?
22:17:46 ‹Daigle› The names and titles are simply sexy and evil
02/09/2008 22:17:59 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Anything you can spoil about Eando's eventual fate (The Pathfinder Journal writer)
02/09/2008 22:18:04 ‹Charles Evans› ?
02/09/2008 22:18:07 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> In my head? Lots. Some of them, like Cyth-V'sug, have been a part of my campaign world for decades, in fact.
02/09/2008 22:18:09 ‹Russ› Arishkegal is one I want to know more about, I've got a fondness for Mesopotamian brands of evil
02/09/2008 22:18:12 * Sir Wulf joins Main
02/09/2008 22:18:21 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nothing about Eando yet!
02/09/2008 22:18:32 * Samwise quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:18:35 ‹Moth› Socothbenoth's the incest demon guy who had a thing for Vanthus in ST right? Is he based on a real life demon? (Real life ... you know what I mean...)
02/09/2008 22:18:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› I love that Eando is visiting the orc city in the current PF Journal.
02/09/2008 22:19:03 ‹Daigle› James, I was actually speaking of the short list at the end of the demon section. The Lord of Knives, the Sacred Whore etc.
02/09/2008 22:19:12 ‹yoda8myhead› KnightErrantJR, he's under it now!
02/09/2008 22:19:20 * yoda8myhead think's he'll end up in Kyonin
02/09/2008 22:19:33 ‹WesSchneider› Socothbenoth? He is! He gets one mention in the Bible.
02/09/2008 22:19:37 * Charles Evans thinks he'll end up ina drow lunchbox
02/09/2008 22:19:47 ‹Moth› I love that PF has made orcs bad-ass again, rather than just 1 HD mooks you plow through at levels 1-5
02/09/2008 22:19:48 ‹Absinth› Okay, guys, I have to go to work. Thanks for chatting! :gninja:
02/09/2008 22:19:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Absinth
02/09/2008 22:20:01 ‹Daigle› Take care Absinth. have a good day at work.
02/09/2008 22:20:04 ‹ollibolli› bye andre
02/09/2008 22:20:09 ‹Charles Evans› The drow have a big Ioun stone attractor, to draw pathfinders down to them for lunch.
02/09/2008 22:20:16 ‹Moth› No one in the Bible could be a bad guy! Thanks Wes
02/09/2008 22:20:21 ‹WesSchneider› As for Eando. It's actualyl knid of anti-climatic. He gets board, moves to Sandpoint, and becomes a bunyip baiter. The End. Meh.
02/09/2008 22:20:44 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> I'll be writing about 8 pages of demony goodness for Pathfinder #18, which will greatly expand on those guys.
02/09/2008 22:20:50 ‹Absinth› Thanks, Daigle! Bye.
02/09/2008 22:20:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› Why does an Ioun Stone Attactor sound like some kind of magical reactor for a fantasy nuke?
02/09/2008 22:20:56 ‹Daigle› Excellent, thanks James
02/09/2008 22:21:00 ‹Blazej› WesSchneider, Does he find a magic board or is it just a mundane board.
02/09/2008 22:21:19 ‹WesSchneider› A mundane mispelelalated one. :P
02/09/2008 22:21:33 ‹Blazej› Ah, thanks for that.
02/09/2008 22:21:55 ‹James Jacobs› Oh. I thought you meant he got onto the Turandarok Academy school board.
02/09/2008 22:22:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Is that before or after he has the enounter with the Gazeebo . . .
02/09/2008 22:22:01 * Absinth quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:22:03 ‹James Jacobs› Dang. I'll have to scrap my plans for AP56 then.
02/09/2008 22:22:05 ‹Charles Evans› Oh, I was thinking it might be 'full bed & board', in a gtuest house on the sea-front
02/09/2008 22:22:09 ‹Sothal@work› He fumbled the Board-Spell?
02/09/2008 22:22:17 ‹WesSchneider› No that's the school bored. Trust me. It makes sense.
02/09/2008 22:22:18 ‹Russ› Does a ioun stone always do the same thing in a wayfinder, or does it vary from wayfinder to wayfinder?
02/09/2008 22:22:22 ‹Sir Wulf› My players are still having fun with Orik Vancaskerkin. They let him go when they first encountered him (taken in by the "surfer dude" speech pattern I gave him) and have run into him several times since.
02/09/2008 22:22:54 ‹Daigle› I think I asked James this last week, but do you, Wes, happen to know who's idea the Eye of Abendego was?
02/09/2008 22:22:56 ‹WesSchneider› Sir Wulf, Nice!
02/09/2008 22:23:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm still trying to figure out what to do with him to convey his "reluctance" to be part of the bigger invasion plan.
02/09/2008 22:23:31 ‹WesSchneider› Probably Erik's? I remember that big whirlly bit being out there from very early on...
02/09/2008 22:23:45 ‹Charles Evans› Wasn't a gazeebo one of those weird Ravenloft monstersd in 2nd edition?
02/09/2008 22:24:00 ‹Russ› I'm thankful there's no whirlpool involved in the eye. I like the big storm much better.
02/09/2008 22:24:03 ‹Daigle› Growing up with so many hurricanes, I was instantly hooked on the idea of a stationary storm like that. Great idea!
02/09/2008 22:24:16 ‹Russ› I particularly like it spinning out smaller storms.
02/09/2008 22:24:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› I wonder if gazeebo is related to a gambado . . .
02/09/2008 22:24:54 ‹Sir Wulf› A gazebo! Ohnoes! Why don't you sick something weaker on them, like an Oliphaunt!
02/09/2008 22:24:54 ‹Charles Evans› KinghtErrantJR: Could be; aren't they both ambush predators?
02/09/2008 22:25:04 ‹Russ› KE - and Gazpachos!
02/09/2008 22:25:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› James . . . that begs the question . . . hypothetical situation . . . you have use either a gambado or a flumph for an adventure . . . which do you use?
02/09/2008 22:25:29 ‹ollibolli› daigle, then you need to read Captain Bluebear. It has a tornado in it with a fixed path
02/09/2008 22:25:49 ‹ollibolli› very funny book by the way
02/09/2008 22:25:54 ‹Russ› Gambados. They can be scary.
02/09/2008 22:26:37 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: But a *bad* flumph is so much scarier because you don't see it coming.
02/09/2008 22:26:47 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> All ioun stones do different things when put into wayfinder, but they don't do different things between wayfinders. If that makes sense...
02/09/2008 22:27:16 ‹Charles Evans› Mabe the evil mastermind planning to unleash the tarrasque in AP 6 is a flumph that has been the butt of one too many jokes and snapped.
02/09/2008 22:27:33 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Personally... I'd use the gambado every time.
02/09/2008 22:27:35 ‹Russ› It does make sense. A dusty rose prism always does the same thing as any other dusty rose, or is it unique between stones of the same shape and color?
02/09/2008 22:27:46 ‹Charles Evans› It spits and raves at the adventurers, as they finally close in on it.
02/09/2008 22:27:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› So the same ioun stone will do the same thing in every wayfinder, but a different type of ioun stone will do something different when put in a wayfinder, correct?
02/09/2008 22:27:55 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> yes.
02/09/2008 22:28:08 ‹Sir Wulf› A demonic demi-flumph...
02/09/2008 22:28:13 ‹James Jacobs› Dusty Rose prisms always have the same effect, no matter who's wayfinder they go in.
02/09/2008 22:28:19 * Russ loves variant ioun stones
02/09/2008 22:28:29 ‹James Jacobs› We'll eventually get around to listing a bunch of ioun stone effects for them, along with, I suspect, more variant ioun stones.
02/09/2008 22:28:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Russ, did you see KQ 6?
02/09/2008 22:28:38 ‹Russ› KE - yepper.s
02/09/2008 22:28:47 * Crimson Jester quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:28:49 * Russ goes to write up some different ioun stones
02/09/2008 22:28:53 * Daigle has a cheap glass non-floating ioun stone.
02/09/2008 22:29:02 * Daigle was ripped off.
02/09/2008 22:29:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Wouldn't that be a marble?
02/09/2008 22:29:22 ‹Daigle› Knight, yeah. :|
02/09/2008 22:29:22 ‹Charles Evans› JJ: Hmm. That implies that there are particular points that each variety of Ioun stone is 'tuned' to.... interesting.
02/09/2008 22:29:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› Sorry, didn't mean to say it out loud . . .;-)
02/09/2008 22:29:41 ‹Charles Evans› I wonder what it says about the way that they work.
02/09/2008 22:29:42 ‹Daigle› At least it's a shooter.
02/09/2008 22:29:42 ‹Moth› You know Gambados - is their head a skull, or do they wear skulls over their heads (like hermit crabs)?
02/09/2008 22:30:05 ‹WesSchneider› I belive they wear the skull over their heads
02/09/2008 22:30:09 ‹Russ› CE - I don't think that every ioun stone makes your wayfinder point someplace.
02/09/2008 22:30:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Didn't the old 2nd edition MC info say it was a skull they aquired?
02/09/2008 22:30:48 ‹Charles Evans› On the Gamabado debate, yes, they acquired a skull to hide under.
02/09/2008 22:31:09 ‹Charles Evans› They dug a hole, and used the skull to cover their heads, I think.
02/09/2008 22:31:15 ‹Charles Evans› And jumped out.
02/09/2008 22:31:20 ‹Charles Evans› When dinner arrived.
02/09/2008 22:31:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› Damn, now I have to figure out how to work a Gambado into ROTRLs . . .
02/09/2008 22:31:46 ‹Moth› That makes sense ... but I though I read a writeup of them somewhere that suggested the skull was their head ... so what does their real head look like? (It must be small, to fit in a humanoid skull)
02/09/2008 22:31:50 ‹Sir Wulf› The old 1st ed Fiend Folio makes it sound like part of the creature.
02/09/2008 22:31:53 ‹Charles Evans› KnightErrantJR Somewhere around Thistletop?
02/09/2008 22:32:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› In the hedge maze somewhere? :twisted:
02/09/2008 22:32:20 ‹Moth› Up on the Devil's Platter
02/09/2008 22:32:21 ‹Sir Wulf› "sometimes of an animal or primitive man"
02/09/2008 22:32:26 ‹Charles Evans› Or as a 'random' encounter en route to Jorgenfist if you want it tougher?
02/09/2008 22:32:42 ‹Charles Evans› :-? Do I mean Jorgenfist?
02/09/2008 22:32:52 ‹Sir Wulf› I suspect that the juvenile gambado finds a skull and grows into it.
02/09/2008 22:32:52 ‹Charles Evans› The Giant fortress, anyway.
02/09/2008 22:33:13 ‹Charles Evans› Anyway, goodnight.
02/09/2008 22:33:19 * Charles Evans waves.
02/09/2008 22:33:22 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Charles
02/09/2008 22:33:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hm . . . have Gambados had any ecology written for them?
02/09/2008 22:33:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Charles
02/09/2008 22:33:33 ‹Sir Wulf› Goodnight, Charles!
02/09/2008 22:33:33 * Charles Evans collects his :cthulhu: and wanders off....
02/09/2008 22:33:36 * Charles Evans quit
02/09/2008 22:33:42 ‹Daigle› Not that I'm aware of Knight
02/09/2008 22:34:01 ‹Daigle› But then again, I'm not terribly aware.
02/09/2008 22:34:10 * yoda8myhead quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:34:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'll have to look that one up, else I'll not be able to sleep . . . stupid obsessive compulsive behavior . . .
02/09/2008 22:34:34 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah; most ioun stones do other things once you put them in.
02/09/2008 22:34:41 ‹WesSchneider› weird monsters...
02/09/2008 22:34:42 ‹James Jacobs› Pointing to locations is actually pretty unusual.
02/09/2008 22:35:25 ‹Daigle› Well, lady and gentlemen, it's getting late here. I'm gonna jam out some words before I hit the sack.
02/09/2008 22:35:41 ‹Sir Wulf› A chartreuse ioun stone causes it to point to the nearest dry cleaner.
02/09/2008 22:35:41 ‹Russ› Lordy, Gambados made the tome of horrors
02/09/2008 22:35:44 ‹Moth› Night Daigle
02/09/2008 22:35:45 ‹Daigle› It's been fun. Thanks for stopping by Wes James and everyone.
02/09/2008 22:35:47 ‹James Jacobs› Tis true!
02/09/2008 22:35:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› yup, that's why I was thinking of them
02/09/2008 22:35:58 ‹Russ› They remind me of the shadow critters in "Into the Out Of", by Alan Dean Foster
02/09/2008 22:36:00 ‹James Jacobs› I think I'll be heading out too. Any last-minute questions?
02/09/2008 22:36:09 * Daigle drags his sleeping bag to his corner and curls up.
02/09/2008 22:36:53 ‹Russ› Hmm
02/09/2008 22:37:00 * Lilith does not have any q's for Wes or James...
02/09/2008 22:37:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› Unfortunatly, I'm too loopy on sinus medicine to come up with anything worthwhile, but thanks for putting up with me, and for chatting with everyone James and Wes.
02/09/2008 22:37:08 ‹James Jacobs› MERISIEL!
02/09/2008 22:37:11 ‹Sothal@work› Thanks for coming by James Jacobs
02/09/2008 22:37:13 ‹WesSchneider› Yeah, its getting to statblock-overload-o'clock here for me too
02/09/2008 22:37:14 ‹Moth› James: the Chyphergate - as of PF13, do we know all there is to know about it? Or is there more to come?
02/09/2008 22:37:19 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, noted. :)
02/09/2008 22:37:25 ‹Russ› Will we see an organized errata system at some point?
02/09/2008 22:37:31 ‹Sothal@work› Thanks for coming by WesSchneider as well
02/09/2008 22:37:39 ‹Moth› Merisiel?
02/09/2008 22:37:40 ‹James Jacobs› There's a little more to come in Pathfinder 15 about the Cyphergate.
02/09/2008 22:37:42 ‹Russ› I'd love to be able to get errata all in one place instead of scrolling through long threads looking for final answers
02/09/2008 22:37:46 ‹WesSchneider› Yay! My pleasure!
02/09/2008 22:37:50 ‹Moth› James, cool
02/09/2008 22:37:58 ‹Moth› See you James, thanks for stopping by Wes
02/09/2008 22:38:11 ‹Russ› Maybe volunteers could gather up the errata for posting to a formal location?
02/09/2008 22:38:12 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> An organized errata system would be cool... but while we're still on this crazy monthly breakneck pace... it's unlikely.
02/09/2008 22:38:26 ‹James Jacobs› maybe once we get our fan-website stuff all worked out.
02/09/2008 22:38:30 ‹Russ› Ok. It's one of the things where you're failing to kick WotC's butt, and I like to see those eliminated.
02/09/2008 22:38:50 ‹Sir Wulf› Russ, you need to set a higher standard...
02/09/2008 22:39:06 ‹Russ› Wulf - I'm painfully aware of how low the bar is for RPG errata :(
02/09/2008 22:39:08 ‹James Jacobs› I'd rather spend more effort at preventing errata (aka: More time editing) rather than focusing more energies on fixing problems once they're out.
02/09/2008 22:39:23 * WesSchneider quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:39:29 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:39:39 ‹James Jacobs› ANYway. Seeya all next time!
02/09/2008 22:39:43 ‹Russ› It'll be much more important next August when PF final is out.
02/09/2008 22:39:45 ‹Sir Wulf› James Jacobs, with that attitude, you'd never make it in the computer industry.
02/09/2008 22:39:51 ‹Russ› PF RPG final, that is
02/09/2008 22:39:56 ‹James Jacobs› Good thing I'm not aiming at the computer industry!
02/09/2008 22:40:02 ‹Hill Giant› Sir Wulf, It;s not a bug, it's a feature!
02/09/2008 22:40:04 ‹Sir Wulf› True!
02/09/2008 22:40:10 ‹James Jacobs› AND: As for the PF RPG final... that thing's HOPEFULLY gonna be edited about a billion times.
02/09/2008 22:40:24 ‹James Jacobs› Plus: A huge open playtest should kick out most of the bugs. I hope.
02/09/2008 22:40:30 ‹Russ› It'll have errata :)
02/09/2008 22:40:37 ‹Sothal@work› I will
02/09/2008 22:40:38 ‹Sir Wulf› You have to leave some mistake in, just to keep the grognards happy.
02/09/2008 22:40:44 ‹Sothal@work› It* will
02/09/2008 22:40:47 ‹Moth› bye James
02/09/2008 22:41:00 ‹Sir Wulf› Thanks for stopping in!
02/09/2008 22:41:02 ‹Russ› Probably not nearly as error-rific as beta, though!
02/09/2008 22:41:08 ‹Russ› and thanks for stopping by
02/09/2008 22:41:12 ‹Hill Giant› 'night, James
02/09/2008 22:41:23 ‹James Jacobs› That said... it's a game run by people, not by computers. Errata isn't as important, since people can fix errors on the fly in their game, and are just as likely to introduce their own errors into the game.
02/09/2008 22:41:32 ‹Russ› Oh ugh.
02/09/2008 22:41:39 ‹Russ› I hope that's not Paizo's attitude forever.
02/09/2008 22:41:45 ‹Russ› Fixing errata is hugely important in an RPG.
22:42:19 ‹yoda8myhead› night James
02/09/2008 22:42:20 ‹James Jacobs› Perhaps.
02/09/2008 22:42:39 ‹Russ› It's a matter of "this person pays money for your books, they deserve to have obvious and meaningful mistakes corrected in an accessible place"
02/09/2008 22:42:45 ‹James Jacobs› But I think there's this weird sense of inflated importance to the concept of "errata," honestly.
02/09/2008 22:43:44 ‹James Jacobs› Of course... I'm more of a story guy than a rules guy, so I'm not really bothered if a game has errors as long as I can get the gist of the way the rules were intended to work, or as long as they work well enoguh for me to tell the story. It's why Jason's in charge of the RPG development, btw, and not me.
02/09/2008 22:43:49 * Deussu joins Main
02/09/2008 22:43:55 ‹Sir Wulf› James, don't worry! We only expect perfection!
02/09/2008 22:43:59 ‹Deussu› Some appear to be here
02/09/2008 22:43:59 * Laz joins Main
02/09/2008 22:44:28 ‹Russ› I agree on module errata not being tremendously important. Rules errata is a pretty big deal for me, though, given my organized play habits :)
02/09/2008 22:44:53 ‹Russ› Uncorrected errors in an RPG tend to get played "as written" in organized play, because ultimately the rulebook is your guide unless the company fixes it.
02/09/2008 22:44:54 ‹Sothal@work› Deussu, you came in at the end of Paizo chat with James Jacobs... yeah, the room is a bit full
02/09/2008 22:45:02 ‹ollibolli› <--- breakfast
02/09/2008 22:45:13 ‹Deussu› Sothal: Yeah I know
02/09/2008 22:45:22 ‹Deussu› It's 8:45am for me so you can't blame me, really :P
02/09/2008 22:45:41 ‹Deussu› btw James I was the one who sent you the email regarding the use of Pathfinder RPG in 3rd party things.
02/09/2008 22:45:47 ‹Sothal@work› 0745am here. and I'm online an hour and in the office
02/09/2008 22:45:51 * Laz quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:45:57 ‹Hill Giant› I'm off. 'Night, all!
02/09/2008 22:46:02 ‹James Jacobs› I suppose from an organized play angle errata is more important. Which probably explains part of why I don't really like playing in that kind of environment.
02/09/2008 22:46:12 ‹James Jacobs› Deussu>ah HA!
02/09/2008 22:46:29 ‹Russ› I am blessed with both home and organized play, and I love them both for what they bring to the table. But yep, big differences.
02/09/2008 22:46:31 ‹Sir Wulf› I need to run. You all have a good night!
02/09/2008 22:47:00 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:47:07 ‹James Jacobs› Anyway... I'll gladly log errors and see that they get fixed in products, but as for expending vast amounts of energy on establishing an organized errata file? I'd rather delegate that to someone else like Jason.
02/09/2008 22:47:16 * Urza quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:47:22 ‹James Jacobs› Fortunately, that's kinda my job, so it's a win for me! :)
02/09/2008 22:47:29 ‹Deussu› Delegating?
02/09/2008 22:47:44 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
02/09/2008 22:48:10 ‹Deussu› Oh well, might as well use my time to work on those adventures I've been trying to do
02/09/2008 22:49:03 ‹James Jacobs› OK! Now I'm out for real, before all this talk of organized play and errata makes me cranky or something! :)
02/09/2008 22:49:06 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya all next week!
02/09/2008 22:49:16 ‹Sothal@work› Night JJ
02/09/2008 22:49:28 ‹Lilith› Night James!
02/09/2008 22:49:31 ‹Laz› Later James
Thanks Lilith, oh bringer of the cookies, oh great Demon Queen of Cooking, oh bringer of fear to players with the meer mention of the Darklands!
20:03:34 * The Creature Called Logue joins Main
09/09/2008 20:03:35 ‹Blazej› It's magic.
09/09/2008 20:03:43 ‹Pygon› Nick!
09/09/2008 20:03:43 ‹Justin Sluder› Logue!!!!
09/09/2008 20:03:45 ‹GREENGRUNT› Unless you're talking about Daern's Portable Cheeze Whiz
09/09/2008 20:03:45 ‹Blazej› It's magic Logue!
09/09/2008 20:03:52 ‹greengrunt› Hey Nick!
09/09/2008 20:03:56 ‹The Creature Called Logue› YO! I HAVE ARRIVED!!!!!!
09/09/2008 20:03:56 ‹yoda8myhead› greengrunt, mmmmm
09/09/2008 20:03:58 ‹Fray› Nick!
09/09/2008 20:04:00 ‹Nameless› Hello, Nick!
09/09/2008 20:04:02 ‹yoda8myhead›
09/09/2008 20:04:04 ‹Zootcat› Hey Nick
09/09/2008 20:04:06 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Whasssup you'all!
09/09/2008 20:04:06 ‹yoda8myhead› hi Nick
09/09/2008 20:04:06 ‹Fray› run!
09/09/2008 20:04:10 ‹The Creature Called Logue› I get the cheese!
09/09/2008 20:04:13 ‹yoda8myhead› you in England yet?
09/09/2008 20:04:14 ‹Justin Sluder› greetings mighty The Creature Called Logue!
09/09/2008 20:04:22 ‹yoda8myhead› it stands alone, Nick. Don't touch it
09/09/2008 20:04:24 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Nope...I am in visa limbo-hell.
09/09/2008 20:04:27 ‹Fray› The Creature Called Logue> We are debating the broken/cheese of the instant fortess
20:04:31 ‹Scriptor› Evenin', Nick.
09/09/2008 20:04:42 ‹yoda8myhead› The Creature Called Logue, me too. They keep sending me bills I can't pay
09/09/2008 20:04:46 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Evenin right back at ya Scriptor!
09/09/2008 20:04:56 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Sorry to hear that yoda!
09/09/2008 20:05:09 ‹shea› here is a direct quote from the pdf: "People and creatures nearby (except the owner) must be careful not to be caught by the fortress's sudden growth. Anyone so caught takes 10d10 points of damage (Reflex DC 19 half ).
09/09/2008 20:05:11 ‹greengrunt› What would happen if you were airborne... ON a Pegaus say and you dropped the instant fortress on somebody??
09/09/2008 20:05:12 ‹The Creature Called Logue› I hate Hell. I've thought about it, and i've decided I don't like it. No Hell for me.
09/09/2008 20:05:15 ‹Nameless› I wish you could keep stuff in your instant fortress when you miniaturize it.
09/09/2008 20:05:18 ‹yoda8myhead› eh, it's my own fault. Now. Back to
09/09/2008 20:05:29 ‹The Creature Called Logue› What is this Instant Fortress?
09/09/2008 20:05:37 ‹Fray› Well... The fortress needs to be fixed for sure... Maybe just pushing people out of the way, unless they get crushed againast something...
09/09/2008 20:05:40 ‹greengrunt› Daern's Instant Fortress
09/09/2008 20:05:42 ‹yoda8myhead› it's a castle made of cheese
09/09/2008 20:05:43 ‹Pygon› shea - then playtest it and let your DM submit feedback
09/09/2008 20:05:45 ‹shea› I'm wondering if i could use it as an attack
09/09/2008 20:05:49 ‹Nameless› Daern's Instant Fortress, the second most interesting magic item in D&D
09/09/2008 20:05:54 ‹Scriptor› In the beta web enhancement p.60
09/09/2008 20:06:01 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Oh! Of course!
09/09/2008 20:06:06 ‹shea› coool!!!!
09/09/2008 20:06:06 ‹Fray› Make it take a minute to grow... That would take it out of combat situations...
09/09/2008 20:06:17 ‹shea› it takes 1 round to grow to full heigth
09/09/2008 20:06:22 ‹yoda8myhead› yeah, until the combat started
09/09/2008 20:06:23 ‹tensor› Instant Fortress is like those sponges were you just add a drop of water and *pow* it turns into a boat.
09/09/2008 20:06:30 ‹yoda8myhead› then it keeps you out of combat situations
09/09/2008 20:06:31 ‹tensor› perfect trap mechanism if you as me.
09/09/2008 20:06:37 ‹shea› and since the command is a word (free action) wouldnt it go away in one round?
09/09/2008 20:06:43 ‹greengrunt› No wait a sec,, there's a figurine I think for the boat gig
09/09/2008 20:06:50 ‹Fray› shea> command word is a standard axtion
09/09/2008 20:06:53 ‹Fray› not free
09/09/2008 20:07:01 ‹shea› okay then
09/09/2008 20:07:05 ‹yoda8myhead› you can drop it for free
09/09/2008 20:07:06 ‹Nameless› I like the combat application, though. I think it'd be fun, like the dragon example I stated!
09/09/2008 20:07:07 ‹tensor› greengrunt: yay, my neurons are bleeding together.
09/09/2008 20:07:18 ‹The Creature Called Logue› How much does the Instant Fortress cost?
09/09/2008 20:07:23 ‹greengrunt› Oops- Folding Boat! Sorry
09/09/2008 20:07:24 ‹Fray› yeah, it's creative... But broken
09/09/2008 20:07:24 ‹shea› 55k
09/09/2008 20:07:26 ‹shea›
09/09/2008 20:07:30 ‹tensor› Logue: how much ya got!
09/09/2008 20:07:31 ‹Fray› cost 27,500 gp
09/09/2008 20:07:35 ‹shea› I'm lv 2
09/09/2008 20:07:39 ‹The Creature Called Logue› That's not bad! I'd buy one!
09/09/2008 20:07:44 ‹The Creature Called Logue› That's HAWT!
09/09/2008 20:07:46 ‹Fray› price 55,000 gp;
09/09/2008 20:07:56 ‹shea› hehe you hear that zootcat?
09/09/2008 20:08:01 ‹Nameless› Fray, doesn't it take a round to grow? Anyone can get out of the way pretty easily.
09/09/2008 20:08:02 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Oh...that's more expensive. F$%* that. I can't afford that shit.
09/09/2008 20:08:03 ‹Zootcat› yes
09/09/2008 20:08:06 ‹Fray› ok... I'm off computerin'...
09/09/2008 20:08:12 ‹yoda8myhead› Nameless, the best fun combat use of a non-combat item is using a n immovable rod after being swallowed whole in the gullet of a flying dragon
09/09/2008 20:08:16 ‹greengrunt› Folding boat is a small wooden box : 12" by 6" by 6"
09/09/2008 20:08:16 ‹Fray› Nameless> yeah... I would think so to...
09/09/2008 20:08:17 ‹yoda8myhead› riiiiiiiiiip
09/09/2008 20:08:18 ‹Pygon› Nick, James has told you repeatedly that you couldn't nuke Absalom. He would also discourage such use of magic items
09/09/2008 20:08:19 ‹Justin Sluder› later Fray
09/09/2008 20:08:30 ‹greengrunt› Later Fray
09/09/2008 20:08:30 ‹Nameless› yoda8myhead, oh my.
09/09/2008 20:08:33 ‹The Creature Called Logue› James...i'll win him over someday.
09/09/2008 20:08:34 ‹Fray› i've throw the boat at a monster, a troll... Pretty funny
09/09/2008 20:08:38 ‹Fray› later...
09/09/2008 20:08:38 ‹Nameless› Also, Ring Gates.
09/09/2008 20:08:39 ‹Pygon› bye Fray
09/09/2008 20:08:49 ‹Scriptor› See ya, Fray.
09/09/2008 20:08:50 * Fray changes his/her nickname to F gonez
09/09/2008 20:08:52 ‹shea› yay thanks for helping me out on that question guys
09/09/2008 20:08:53 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Especially because Absalom is mostly Jason's creation...so, you know, James might come around to nuking it sometime.
09/09/2008 20:09:01 ‹greengrunt› Ring Gates?? WTF!? Stargate??
09/09/2008 20:09:08 ‹Pygon› ah, so I see... He wanted it for himself
09/09/2008 20:09:08 ‹shea› yah lol
09/09/2008 20:09:20 ‹Nameless› Throw one ring into the ocean, and then let the other one be a super water cannon
20:09:43 ‹yoda8myhead› Nick, do you know how on schedule the Sept PFS scenarios are?
09/09/2008 20:09:43 ‹Mothman› Nick! Hows things man? Keeping you busy?
09/09/2008 20:09:44 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Breaking the toys is the most fun thing about any campaign.
09/09/2008 20:09:54 ‹The Creature Called Logue› SOOOO Busy.
09/09/2008 20:09:56 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Hey Mothy!
09/09/2008 20:10:05 * Sir Wulf joins Main
09/09/2008 20:10:11 ‹David!› hi Wulf
09/09/2008 20:10:20 ‹The Creature Called Logue› It doesn't help matters that I got sick over the weekend, and then went and got very very DRRRRIIIIUNK anyways.
09/09/2008 20:10:21 ‹David!› havent seen you in awhile
09/09/2008 20:10:21 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Wulf
09/09/2008 20:10:21 ‹greengrunt› I'm sure the aboleth have a spare nuke they could drop on Absalom!
09/09/2008 20:10:23 ‹Mothman› hey Wulf
09/09/2008 20:10:28 * yoda8myhead changes his/her nickname to yoda?
09/09/2008 20:10:29 ‹Sir Wulf› 'Ello!
09/09/2008 20:10:33 ‹The Creature Called Logue› I need to recover so I can pour out some serious work this week.
09/09/2008 20:10:36 ‹greengrunt› Hey Mothie and Wulfie!
09/09/2008 20:10:41 ‹Mothman› Ha! Sick + Drunk = ouchie
09/09/2008 20:10:43 ‹yoda?› there, David!, now you aren't alone
09/09/2008 20:10:47 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Greengrunt: I like where your heads at!
09/09/2008 20:10:48 ‹Pygon› hi Wulf
09/09/2008 20:10:52 ‹shea› well the only bad part about the instant fortress is that its reflex DC 19 wont be any challenge to beat against monsters at high levels
09/09/2008 20:10:58 ‹David!› haveing an identity crisis yoda?,
09/09/2008 20:11:13 ‹yoda?› eh
09/09/2008 20:11:16 ‹Sir Wulf› I'm suree he only drank for the medicinal value.
09/09/2008 20:11:18 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Yeah...my last chance for "Irish Car Bombs" for awhile I figure. So I had twelve of them. Along with a few Grey Goose on the Rocks.
09/09/2008 20:11:23 ‹The Creature Called Logue› It was a bad bad idea.
09/09/2008 20:11:25 ‹greengrunt› Identity crisis.. Sometimes I think I'm Two-Face
09/09/2008 20:11:27 ‹David!› use a sling shot to throw it at them
09/09/2008 20:11:34 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Well said Sir Wulf!
09/09/2008 20:11:36 ‹yoda?› The Creature Called Logue, you in Buffalo or NYC?
09/09/2008 20:11:37 ‹shea› lol good idea
09/09/2008 20:11:52 ‹The Creature Called Logue› NYC right now.
09/09/2008 20:12:06 ‹David!› *thwack* "EXPAND!"
09/09/2008 20:12:06 ‹Mothman› Ah, it's been too long since I got good and drunk ... Of course that's probably cos bad things tend to happen when I get good and drunk...
09/09/2008 20:12:12 ‹greengrunt› Gawd Nick .. That's alot o booze!!
09/09/2008 20:12:20 ‹Russ is AFK› Visa limbo hell? Hope of resolving it?
09/09/2008 20:12:22 * yoda? Changes his/her nickname to yoda
09/09/2008 20:12:24 * Russ is AFK changes his/her nickname to Russ
09/09/2008 20:12:30 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Yeah...I'm a big dude though. It's all good.
09/09/2008 20:12:37 ‹greengrunt›
09/09/2008 20:12:57 ‹yoda› are you still doing PFS stuff, or are you officially severed from Paizo?
09/09/2008 20:13:02 ‹greengrunt› Grey Goose is decent.. Have you ever tried Ketel One Vodka??
09/09/2008 20:13:11 ‹The Creature Called Logue› I am severed, like a gangrenous limb.
09/09/2008 20:13:18 ‹The Creature Called Logue› I like Ketel One as well!
09/09/2008 20:13:20 ‹yoda› greengrunt, is that the one with the robot ads?
09/09/2008 20:13:45 * Charles Evans joins Main
09/09/2008 20:13:52 ‹yoda› so we can not ask you questions about the society then?
09/09/2008 20:13:52 ‹Mothman› So Nick, you're writing some PFS scenarios now right? How're they going?
09/09/2008 20:13:56 ‹greengrunt› Or Stolichyna Vodka... Shit... I can't spell it... I dunno Yoda
09/09/2008 20:13:59 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Ask away!
09/09/2008 20:14:04 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Good!
09/09/2008 20:14:05 * James Jacobs joins Main
09/09/2008 20:14:07 ‹tensor› for crypes! How do you insert a new worksheet in excel 2007 ???
09/09/2008 20:14:08 ‹The Creature Called Logue› I just polished one off.
09/09/2008 20:14:09 ‹greengrunt› Hey Charles Evans
09/09/2008 20:14:12 ‹Pygon› hi James!
09/09/2008 20:14:15 ‹greengrunt› JAMES JACOBS!
09/09/2008 20:14:18 ‹The Creature Called Logue› JAMES JACOBS!!! IN THE HIZZIE!
09/09/2008 20:14:22 ‹Justin Sluder› Greetings James Jacobs!
09/09/2008 20:14:22 ‹Mothman› Hey James
09/09/2008 20:14:25 ‹Charles Evans› Logue! Have you recovered your lost level from your clash with PETT?
09/09/2008 20:14:26 ‹Zootcat› Hi James
09/09/2008 20:14:30 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening James Jacobs.
09/09/2008 20:14:35 ‹Sir Wulf› Hmmm... Severed, like a vestigal twin, eh? Obviously, you'll have lots of time for some OTHER projects...
09/09/2008 20:14:35 ‹Justin Sluder› oh, and hi Charles Evans
09/09/2008 20:14:36 ‹yoda› tensor, right click at the bottom where the worksheet tabs are and create a new one
09/09/2008 20:14:44 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Nope...I am only like 5th level right now...it sucks. I lost a friggin feat.
09/09/2008 20:14:44 ‹James Jacobs› Hullo!
09/09/2008 20:14:44 ‹Scriptor› Evenin', James.
09/09/2008 20:14:58 ‹greengrunt› I hate to say this... But Richard Pett looks like the lost band member of the group Foreignor
09/09/2008 20:15:00 ‹shea› hello james
09/09/2008 20:15:00 ‹Charles Evans› Oh, good evening to everyone else, too.
09/09/2008 20:15:03 ‹Justin Sluder› The Creature Called Logue, not in PRPG
09/09/2008 20:15:06 ‹David!› James Jacobs, hi!
09/09/2008 20:15:07 ‹greengrunt› er.. Foreigner
09/09/2008 20:15:09 ‹Pygon› hi Charles
09/09/2008 20:15:12 ‹tensor› yoda: thank you!!
09/09/2008 20:15:22 ‹yoda› The Creature Called Logue, well I was wondering how the society will handle character death in season 0 that happens after someone has run all the lvl 1-5 scenarios
09/09/2008 20:15:36 ‹Russ› Yay, it is James
09/09/2008 20:15:39 ‹yoda› are tehy just screwed until new low level stuff comes out next season?
09/09/2008 20:15:43 ‹The Creature Called Logue› There will be loads of 1-5 Scenarios. Fear not!
09/09/2008 20:15:50 ‹yoda› tensor, np
09/09/2008 20:16:07 ‹Mothman› James, I forgot to ask you a few weeks ago when it happened; what's your take on those two guys who hoaxed having a dead bigfoot? What would they have gained from it?
09/09/2008 20:16:08 ‹James Jacobs› We're actually considering upping the number of scenarios as well. Although that lever has not yet been pulled.
09/09/2008 20:16:10 ‹The Creature Called Logue› I think there are going to be like 12 of them. And then there will be 3-7 Scenarios as well.
09/09/2008 20:16:10 ‹yoda› so they'll continue throughout the year?
09/09/2008 20:16:16 ‹Charles Evans› Nick: well maybe honest toil in the world theatre group will get you some extra XP... At the pound to dollar conversion rate it ought to...
09/09/2008 20:16:21 ‹Pygon› woot, more adventure material!
09/09/2008 20:16:24 ‹yoda› Mothman, 2000 XP
09/09/2008 20:16:41 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, any news you can share about the next round of rpgsuperstar?
09/09/2008 20:16:41 ‹Mothman› Yoda: Ha!
09/09/2008 20:16:48 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> They would have gained notoriety. The sheer act of pulling off a convincing hoax is as big a thing in some ways as the legitimate deal.
09/09/2008 20:16:57 ‹Pygon› James - any sign of PF14 yet?
09/09/2008 20:17:01 ‹The Creature Called Logue› i'll definitely be gaining XP and GP in England.
09/09/2008 20:17:18 ‹Mothman› James: Fair enough - though I heard they kind of went underground after that
09/09/2008 20:17:24 ‹James Jacobs› No news yet about the next RPG Superstar... Aside from confirmation that there WILL be a next one.
09/09/2008 20:17:27 ‹shea› some scientis bought the "body" from them for an unknown ammount of $ too
09/09/2008 20:17:29 ‹Russ› They knew they weren't gonna pull it off. I have to think it snowballed on them to some extent.
09/09/2008 20:17:31 ‹yoda› The Creature Called Logue, any word on when we can expect the September scenarios?
09/09/2008 20:17:36 ‹greengrunt› It's only the 9th of Sept.. PF 14 is out in late Sept yes??
09/09/2008 20:17:39 ‹James Jacobs› PF14 should be coming into our warehouse next monday, I suspect.
09/09/2008 20:17:44 ‹yoda› shea, I thought it was for like 10k
09/09/2008 20:17:46 ‹greengrunt› Wow
09/09/2008 20:17:46 ‹Pygon› super
09/09/2008 20:17:54 ‹Pygon› grunt - mid-Sept
09/09/2008 20:17:57 ‹shea› i never heard how much
09/09/2008 20:17:59 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs/Logue... Ummm, did that jar of jam make it back safely?
09/09/2008 20:18:03 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, okay, I caught the thread so was asking if anything new had happened in the last few hours.
09/09/2008 20:18:05 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Yoda: With Josh down for the count it may be a week or two.
09/09/2008 20:18:15 ‹The Creature Called Logue› I believe so Charles!
09/09/2008 20:18:20 ‹David!› Charles Evans, what?
09/09/2008 20:18:23 ‹yoda› The Creature Called Logue, I figured. How's he doing?
09/09/2008 20:18:26 * Justin Sluder plans to give RPG Superstar 2.0 a go
09/09/2008 20:18:39 ‹Russ› I think i'll enter again if I'm permitted
09/09/2008 20:18:40 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I suspect yes. I haven't seen said jar of jam, but Mona/Bulmahn mentioned its safe arrival.
20:18:48 ‹Mothman› Oh yeah, is Josh feeling any better? Pneumonia sounds BAD
09/09/2008 20:18:55 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Dunno...called him, but he did not answer.
09/09/2008 20:18:59 ‹greengrunt› Nice Justin.. Don't let EVE get in the way fer cryin out loud!
09/09/2008 20:19:05 ‹Charles Evans› I haven't been able to get going yet this year... Too much rain on blackberries.
09/09/2008 20:19:37 ‹James Jacobs› Josh is still out; Erik's taking up the development duties of the next 2 scenarios and we'll hopefully keep them from falling TOO far behind.
09/09/2008 20:19:37 * Sir Wulf makes plans to animate Josh as a frightening Frost zombie...
09/09/2008 20:19:42 ‹Justin Sluder› greengrunt, it won't, but my massive skill at procrastination may be my undoing
09/09/2008 20:19:59 ‹The Creature Called Logue› September Scenarios: Mists of Mwangi (by ittle ole me), and Black Waters (by Tim Connors). You didn't hear it from me.
09/09/2008 20:20:07 ‹greengrunt› Aye ..Procrastination!! What's that!?
09/09/2008 20:20:14 ‹yoda› it's not called the Mwangi Exhibit anymore?
09/09/2008 20:20:23 ‹yoda› just tim or tim & eileen?
09/09/2008 20:20:29 ‹Justin Sluder› greengrunt, eh, i'll tell you later
09/09/2008 20:20:29 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Nope. Mists of Mwangi now...same scenario...new title.
09/09/2008 20:20:38 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Yep, Tim & Eileen...my bad!
09/09/2008 20:20:47 ‹greengrunt› What a minute.. The Mwangi Expanse is now called the Mwangi Exhibit!? What the hell!?
09/09/2008 20:20:51 ‹Hill Giant› The Creature Called Logue, are there gorrillas... In the Mist?
09/09/2008 20:20:54 ‹Charles Evans› I take it that the 'tyhousand year day' mentioned as being told about by the treantr in Osibu was poetic?
09/09/2008 20:21:00 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Maybe...
09/09/2008 20:21:09 ‹Charles Evans› thousand year day, even.
09/09/2008 20:21:12 * Scriptor quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 20:21:13 ‹Justin Sluder› The Creature Called Logue, Mwangi is an awesome place!
09/09/2008 20:21:15 ‹Mothman› Nono, the scenario used to be called the Mwanghi Exhibit (and is now not)
09/09/2008 20:21:16 ‹yoda› I had a question about continuity between npcs and such in Absalom scenarios...will there be any, and will these be considered when making the regional sourcebook?
09/09/2008 20:21:21 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yup. Poetry!
09/09/2008 20:21:27 ‹Justin Sluder› along with the rest of Golarion!
09/09/2008 20:21:29 ‹Charles Evans› demonic gorillas... Guerilla gorllas!
09/09/2008 20:21:36 * David! Quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 20:21:47 ‹Russ› Speaking of, how old is the gorilla king?
09/09/2008 20:21:50 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Justin: Oh yes! It is!
09/09/2008 20:21:53 ‹greengrunt› Guerilla Magilla Gorillas!!
09/09/2008 20:21:56 ‹yoda› Hill Giant, Girallons...for your lvl1 party
09/09/2008 20:22:05 ‹Mothman› Russ: getting him a birthday card?
09/09/2008 20:22:13 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> We're trying to maintain continuity between the scenarios and each other AND with the print products... But there WILL be cases where print products supercede and contradict the scenarios. Hopefully not much.
09/09/2008 20:22:23 ‹Russ› No, just curious, since there's very old mentions of him in the CS
09/09/2008 20:22:26 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> He's probably only a few decades old.
09/09/2008 20:22:32 ‹Justin Sluder› greengrunt,
09/09/2008 20:22:36 ‹Russ› So what were these older gorilla kings?
09/09/2008 20:22:36 ‹James Jacobs› But there's probably been more than one Gorilla King.
09/09/2008 20:22:43 ‹Russ› Ok
09/09/2008 20:22:47 ‹Russ› That's what I was wondering
09/09/2008 20:22:57 ‹James Jacobs› They're champions of Anghazan, who has... Designs... On parts of the Mwangi.
09/09/2008 20:23:07 ‹Russ› I need to read the complete encounter for him
09/09/2008 20:23:09 ‹shea› ooo
09/09/2008 20:23:11 ‹shea› Ooo
09/09/2008 20:23:12 * Wyvern joins Main
09/09/2008 20:23:17 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Wyvern
09/09/2008 20:23:17 ‹Charles Evans› 'latest in a long line of awakened gorrilla gods...'
09/09/2008 20:23:17 ‹greengrunt› James> Contradictions eh? Shouldn't there be a plane in the Mutliverse... Contradictorius or something??
09/09/2008 20:23:21 ‹Pygon› hi Wyvern
09/09/2008 20:23:27 ‹greengrunt› Hey Wyvern
09/09/2008 20:23:30 * Sir Wulf envisons the annual Gorilla King pageant to select the new king, with silverbacks in bikinis...
09/09/2008 20:23:30 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Anghazan plays into Mists of Mwangi a bit as well.
09/09/2008 20:23:37 ‹The Creature Called Logue› WYVERN!
09/09/2008 20:23:52 ‹James Jacobs› Anghazan is a bad monkey.
09/09/2008 20:23:58 ‹Justin Sluder› greengrunt, it's called wikipedia
09/09/2008 20:23:59 ‹shea› so how long does this chat session last for?
09/09/2008 20:24:00 ‹Charles Evans› Ape, not monkey.
09/09/2008 20:24:01 * Stegger joins Main
09/09/2008 20:24:03 ‹James Jacobs› Logue! You all settled in on the far side yet?
09/09/2008 20:24:04 ‹greengrunt› Sir Wulf> Methinks I'm going to get sick
09/09/2008 20:24:07 ‹Pygon› shea - typically 2 hours
09/09/2008 20:24:09 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Have you had a look at Mists of Mwangi yet James?
09/09/2008 20:24:11 ‹greengrunt› Hey Stegger
09/09/2008 20:24:11 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Stegger
09/09/2008 20:24:13 ‹David!› Sir Wulf, My Eyes!
09/09/2008 20:24:16 ‹Charles Evans› The librarian of Unseen University would unscrew your head for that.
09/09/2008 20:24:16 ‹The Creature Called Logue› I hope it does you proud!
09/09/2008 20:24:23 ‹David!› super lag!
09/09/2008 20:24:26 ‹James Jacobs› Haven't seen much more than just the front page of it yet...
09/09/2008 20:24:33 ‹James Jacobs› i've been buried in the Darklands for the past week.
09/09/2008 20:24:42 ‹greengrunt› @Justin
09/09/2008 20:24:48 ‹Russ› That sounds...fatal
09/09/2008 20:24:51 ‹Wyvern› Hey everybody
09/09/2008 20:24:52 * Scriptor joins Main
09/09/2008 20:24:52 ‹Pygon› mmm Darklands. Mmm Absalom
09/09/2008 20:24:56 ‹shea› hi
09/09/2008 20:24:57 ‹Russ› Are you now an undead Jacobs?
09/09/2008 20:24:59 ‹greengrunt› Darklands... Very stoked about that JJ
09/09/2008 20:25:00 ‹Stegger› morning
09/09/2008 20:25:00 ‹Justin Sluder› wb Scriptor
09/09/2008 20:25:06 ‹greengrunt› Hey Scriptor
09/09/2008 20:25:12 ‹Scriptor› Thanks, Justin.
09/09/2008 20:25:26 ‹Mothman› Darklands book sounds cool - how many pages is it going to be James?
09/09/2008 20:25:28 ‹Justin Sluder›
09/09/2008 20:25:38 ‹Mothman› hi again Scriptor
09/09/2008 20:25:39 ‹David!› Mothman, 64?
09/09/2008 20:25:47 ‹James Jacobs› Nah; the Darklands make me stronger!
09/09/2008 20:25:59 ‹James Jacobs› Darklands is gonna be 64 pages, yup.
09/09/2008 20:26:04 ‹Charles Evans› spiders?
09/09/2008 20:26:07 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 20:26:07 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 20:26:11 ‹James Jacobs› There are spiders.
09/09/2008 20:26:11 ‹Mothman› So its part of the "PF Companion" line
09/09/2008 20:26:17 ‹Hill Giant› James's brain has grown legs
09/09/2008 20:26:19 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, strong?
09/09/2008 20:26:23 ‹Pygon› Chronicles actually
09/09/2008 20:26:24 ‹Charles Evans› I mean spiders which bite you and make editors stronger....?
09/09/2008 20:26:29 ‹yoda› Companions are 42 pgs. Chronicles are 64
09/09/2008 20:26:29 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Hey everyone! I'm off for the night. I'll see some of you tomorrow for the Sinister chat though!
09/09/2008 20:26:35 ‹James Jacobs› Nope; the Companion line is the 32 page Player-Friendly stuff.
09/09/2008 20:26:40 ‹Pygon› bye nick!
09/09/2008 20:26:40 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Nick.
09/09/2008 20:26:41 ‹Mothman› I imagine there would be a lot to cram into 64 pages
09/09/2008 20:26:48 ‹greengrunt› JJ> I was hoping PF could get away from Spiderman!
09/09/2008 20:26:50 ‹yoda› bye Nick
09/09/2008 20:26:50 ‹Mothman› See you Nick
09/09/2008 20:26:51 ‹The Creature Called Logue› g'night All!
09/09/2008 20:26:52 ‹Justin Sluder› The Creature Called Logue, take care
09/09/2008 20:26:55 ‹greengrunt› Night Nick!
09/09/2008 20:26:58 ‹Mothman› Same time for Sinister chat?
09/09/2008 20:26:59 ‹James Jacobs› Darklands is part of the Chronicles line: 64 page books that are GM and/or Player focused. Darklands is much more GM focused.
09/09/2008 20:27:03 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya Nick!
09/09/2008 20:27:05 ‹The Creature Called Logue› Yeppers! Same time!
09/09/2008 20:27:10 ‹The Creature Called Logue› g'night James!
09/09/2008 20:27:18 ‹Mothman› James: oh - that's right, chronicles! Thanks
09/09/2008 20:27:38 ‹Sir Wulf› Have a good one, Nick!
09/09/2008 20:27:41 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yup; there could have been a LOT more crammed in. 64 pages isn't enough for me to say EVERYTHING I wanted to say, especially when I had to share with Greg! But it's enough to get the ball rolling!
09/09/2008 20:28:08 ‹greengrunt› Darklands Campaign Guide!! DO IT JAMES!
09/09/2008 20:28:29 * The Creature Called Logue quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 20:28:32 ‹Mothman› That Greg!
09/09/2008 20:28:47 ‹greengrunt› ..... Or not
09/09/2008 20:29:07 ‹Justin Sluder› this Greg? Http://www.werecabbages.com/me...p?Id=36
09/09/2008 20:29:08 * Wyvern joins Main
09/09/2008 20:29:11 ‹James Jacobs› We COULD. There's certainly enough room in the Darklands to support a 256 page hardcover.
09/09/2008 20:29:23 ‹James Jacobs› Yup! That Greg!
09/09/2008 20:29:28 ‹Justin Sluder›
09/09/2008 20:29:40 * Stegger quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 20:29:40 ‹Charles Evans› PFRP(G)
09/09/2008 20:29:54 * just some guy joins Main
09/09/2008 20:30:10 ‹greengrunt› hello JSG
09/09/2008 20:30:12 ‹Justin Sluder› hello, just some guy
09/09/2008 20:30:23 ‹just some guy› he people ::wave::
09/09/2008 20:30:32 ‹David!› that sounds like a name i would use...
09/09/2008 20:30:40 ‹Mothman› James, i've got a question that has some Second Darkness spoilers - so if anyone is playing that AP, avert your eyes...
09/09/2008 20:30:48 ‹David!› but im already here so i dont think its me
09/09/2008 20:30:55 ‹Justin Sluder› David!, I checked to make sure you hadn't left
09/09/2008 20:31:05 ‹Scriptor› i'll do that, mothman.
09/09/2008 20:31:12 * David! Joins main
09/09/2008 20:31:17 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I suspect that the PFRPG will be around 500 to 600 pages, hardcover. No concrete plans for a softcover version yet (although we're considering it). The price is currently at 50 bucks, but there's a pretty good chance that'll climb to 60. We're just now starting to run those final numbers...
09/09/2008 20:31:20 * David! Quit
09/09/2008 20:31:22 ‹Charles Evans› Just Some guy: emoticons available for deployment under the smiley face button under the chat.
09/09/2008 20:31:26 ‹Mothman› James, we know that SPOILERS elves can become dark elves under certain conditions. Is it revealed if the reverse is also true (or is it going to be revelaed?)
09/09/2008 20:31:28 ‹David!› Justin Sluder,
09/09/2008 20:31:47 ‹just some guy› thanks Charles
09/09/2008 20:31:52 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> The reverse may be possible... But it's never happened yet.
09/09/2008 20:32:04 * David! Is invisible!
09/09/2008 20:32:16 ‹greengrunt› Well JJ i'll have to take one for the team and get one! Any news on when the re-edited version of the PFCG will be out??
09/09/2008 20:32:18 ‹Justin Sluder› David!,
09/09/2008 20:32:22 ‹James Jacobs› My gut tells me that the reverse is not possible, though.
09/09/2008 20:32:26 ‹Charles Evans› just some guy: ilith would offer you if she were here, I'm sure..
09/09/2008 20:32:32 ‹Charles Evans› (L)ilith
09/09/2008 20:32:40 ‹James Jacobs› No word yet on a reprint of the Pathfinder Campaign Setting.
09/09/2008 20:32:52 ‹just some guy› I am sure she would, she's good like that
09/09/2008 20:32:53 ‹Mothman› And James, following from that, is it possible for dark elves to be of good alignment in Golarion? (I suspect so, but maybe they have some sort of demon taint which makes that impossible or something...)
09/09/2008 20:33:02 ‹James Jacobs› I'm pretty sure it WILL happen... But whether it happens before we switch to the PF RPG or not is unknown.
09/09/2008 20:33:04 ‹Mothman› Sorry, dark elves = drow
09/09/2008 20:33:29 ‹greengrunt› Mothman> OH NO .. NO DRIZZIT'S IN PATHFINDER!
09/09/2008 20:33:39 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> It's possible for there to be good drow if the GM of a game says yes. But you won't see any good-aligned drow show up in Paizo products.
09/09/2008 20:33:49 ‹Mothman› greengrunt: yeah, that's kind of what I'm hoping!
09/09/2008 20:33:51 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: The high value of page count for dollars (or pound) has really helped the beta I sspect...
09/09/2008 20:33:54 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs,
09/09/2008 20:34:01 ‹greengrunt› Mothie...You need to drink more
09/09/2008 20:34:20 ‹greengrunt› Because you're making me start to drink more!
09/09/2008 20:34:29 ‹Mothman› greengrunt: yes ... And no. Like I said, bad things tend to happen....
09/09/2008 20:34:38 ‹greengrunt›
09/09/2008 20:34:52 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Not necessarilly. Larger books are more expensive to print. The fact that the PF RPG is gonna be our BIG product is nice, since that means a big print run and that's how we can afford to make such a huge book...
09/09/2008 20:34:57 ‹greengrunt› Bad things= Drizzit Do'Urden in Pathfinder
09/09/2008 20:34:59 ‹Mothman› Am I driving you to drink in a good or bad way?
09/09/2008 20:35:18 ‹greengrunt› In a psuedo good way I guess
09/09/2008 20:35:25 ‹just some guy› James Jacobs, I think that's sensible. Being a drow seems like a moral ethical sort of choice, in the same way the Dark Side of the Force is. Only with physical tranformative side-effects. It's not exactly a racial type in the traditional sense. My take anyway
09/09/2008 20:35:27 ‹Mothman› greengrunt: yeah, that's what Im getting at: Drizzt clones DO NOT WANT
09/09/2008 20:35:56 ‹James Jacobs› We have no plans for trying to create a Drizzt clone. We have better things to do.
09/09/2008 20:36:00 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: After seeing the Osiriani entry I was checking to see if the 'bind' made it into the beta as a combat option, but couldn't find it; is there a chance it will make it into the final one?
09/09/2008 20:36:01 ‹yoda› just some guy, unless you're born of two drow parents
09/09/2008 20:36:02 ‹greengrunt› oooohhhh... (breathes a sigh of relief)... I thought you wanted em in there
09/09/2008 20:36:21 ‹just some guy› yoda, point!
09/09/2008 20:36:22 ‹James Jacobs› I love playing good-aligned drow. I hate seeing them as npcs in adventures.
09/09/2008 20:36:33 ‹James Jacobs› Unless they're Eilistraee related, in which case I'm back to loving them.
09/09/2008 20:36:40 ‹James Jacobs› But Eilistraee isn't Golarion, so no worries.
09/09/2008 20:36:46 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Good aligned Drow are overrated
09/09/2008 20:37:18 ‹James Jacobs› The thing about binding weapons is that I'm not sure it's really a necessary combat option...
09/09/2008 20:37:28 ‹James Jacobs› It feels a bit like combat clutter.
09/09/2008 20:37:34 ‹greengrunt› Now playing a good aligned demon or devil or an evil angel ... Never seen one in D&D
09/09/2008 20:37:51 ‹James Jacobs› There's better chances for seeing haunt rules and Character Traits make it into the RPG. Although no guarentees there, either.
09/09/2008 20:37:53 ‹greengrunt› Wait.. I must correct myself
09/09/2008 20:38:02 ‹greengrunt› Age of Worms had an evil angel
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09/09/2008 20:38:09 ‹Nameless› I do like that binding could be something special to throw at pcs when they're in and around Osirion
09/09/2008 20:38:16 ‹James Jacobs› I'm okay with evil angels. Not so much with good demons.
09/09/2008 20:38:20 ‹just some guy› greengrunt, I have.. There are "redeemed templates" out there
09/09/2008 20:38:56 ‹Zootcat› James, thank you for saying there won't be any good drow npcs
09/09/2008 20:39:00 ‹greengrunt› I have a crazed Balor in my homebrew who isn't exactly evil
09/09/2008 20:39:06 ‹James Jacobs› It's harder to be good than evil. Therefore it's harder for evil things to turn good, and easy for good things to turn evil. That's also why I'm hesitant to embrace the "Paladin for EVERY ALIGNMENT" scene...
09/09/2008 20:39:30 ‹Mothman› Yeah, I thought I might have confused you Grunt.
09/09/2008 20:39:40 ‹greengrunt› Paladins for every alignment ... Ugh.. I don't like that scene either
20:40:10 ‹Nameless› It'd probably be easiest to replicate that with Clerics
09/09/2008 20:40:10 ‹Mothman› Fallen angels are cool. Non evil demons or devils might be ok under very specific circumstances and used very VERY sparingly
09/09/2008 20:40:15 ‹James Jacobs› D&D is at its best when it's not symmetrical. That goes for everything from classes to maps.
09/09/2008 20:40:33 ‹Charles Evans› Someone get that quote down.
09/09/2008 20:40:41 ‹Pygon› got it. (recording)
09/09/2008 20:40:43 ‹Scriptor› Done.
09/09/2008 20:40:58 ‹greengrunt› Aye,,, i'll be copying that and putting up on the Sinister mbs
09/09/2008 20:41:04 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
09/09/2008 20:41:23 ‹James Jacobs› Symmetrical maps = the fastest way to make me shake my head in disdain, btw...
09/09/2008 20:41:24 ‹Mothman› Paladins of every alignment = yuck in my opnion. Although I understand that alignment has also been altered in 4E, so maybe it works with the new alignment system ~shrugs~ Don't really care much....
09/09/2008 20:41:30 ‹shea› would speaking a command word to summon the instant fortess apply as a speak action (thus beeing a free action), in which page 140 of the combat section of the book says "in general, speaking is a free action"
09/09/2008 20:41:32 ‹Russ› Yep. I don't mind things somewhat similar to paladins (the fallen paladin archetype is a good one), but not every alginment needs a holy warrior
09/09/2008 20:41:37 ‹James Jacobs› What's a "4E?"
09/09/2008 20:41:40 ‹just some guy› Wolfgang's Castle Shadowcrag has a 'redeemed template' for some good demons. I can't tell if that's original or from an OGL source from the appendix at a glance though
09/09/2008 20:41:41 * Justin Sluder makes a note to avoid symmetrical things for the new rpgsuperstar
09/09/2008 20:41:42 ‹yoda› Charles, has Erik offered you a job as a proofreader yet?
09/09/2008 20:41:52 ‹Russ› shea - command word activation is a standard action
09/09/2008 20:41:53 ‹Sir Wulf› i've seen non-hostile evil outsiders in scenarios. As long as the NPC's motivations make sense, even someone evil could be a trustworthy ally.
09/09/2008 20:41:54 ‹Scriptor› James Jacobs, LOL.
09/09/2008 20:42:20 ‹shea› russ thanks
09/09/2008 20:42:24 ‹James Jacobs› Speaking is a free action. Uttering a command word is not.
09/09/2008 20:42:31 ‹CHARLES EVANS› YODA: I HAVEN'T GOT THE EMAIL IF HE AS....
09/09/2008 20:42:33 ‹SIR WULF› I NEVER CARED FOR SCHEMES THAT MAKE EVIL OR GOOD INTO CARTOON EXTREMES.
09/09/2008 20:42:34 ‹SHEA› OKI DOKI
09/09/2008 20:42:34 ‹JAMES JACOBS› SCOOPED BY RUSS!
09/09/2008 20:42:36 ‹CHARLES EVANS›
09/09/2008 20:42:39 ‹MOTHMAN› JAMES: WHAT IF IT WAS A MAP OF A TEMPLE OF A LAWFUL GOD? SYMMETRY COULD WORK THEN (NOT TRYING TO BE A SMART ASS, JUST FEELING YOU OUT ON THE IDEA)
09/09/2008 20:42:47 * RUSS APOLOGIZES
09/09/2008 20:43:13 ‹YODA› .
09/09/2008 20:43:24 ‹JAMES JACOBS› SIR WULF> OH, DON'T GET ME WRONG. I LOVE HAVING EVIL OUTSIDERS IN NON-HOSTILE ROLES. CHECK OUT DUNGEON #149 FOR ALL THE PROOF YOU NEED OF THAT!
09/09/2008 20:43:32 ‹MOTHMAN› WELL EVERY ALIGNMENT DOES HAVE A HOLY WARRIOR - IT'S CALLED A CLERIC
09/09/2008 20:43:35 ‹RUSS› YOU CAN THINK OF IT AS HAVING TO MUSTER UP A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POWER, IF YOU WISH. A MAGIC MOUTH CAN'T TRIGGER A COMMAND WORD ITEM, SO IT IS MORE THAN JUST SPEAKING.
09/09/2008 20:43:43 * YODA NOTICES IT'S STARTING TO RAIN AND HEADS INSIDE
09/09/2008 20:43:46 ‹RUSS› I LOVE HAVING TO DEAL WITH EVIL TO GET THE JOB DONE.
09/09/2008 20:43:52 ‹JUSTIN SLUDER› MOTHMAN, DON'T FORGET DRUID AND RANGER
09/09/2008 20:43:55 ‹JAMES JACOBS› MOTHMAN> AS LONG AS THE MAP LOOKS LIKE IT IS A LOGICAL TEMPLE LAYOUT, AND NOT LIKE A LAZY GAME DESIGNER, SURE.
09/09/2008 20:43:57 ‹RUSS› IT'S WHY THE NEUTRALS CAN SOMETIMES DO MORE GOOD THAN THE GOODIE TWOSHOES
09/09/2008 20:43:59 ‹GREENGRUNT› JJ> EXPLAIN MORE ON THE SYMMETRICAL MAP CONCEPT??
09/09/2008 20:44:01 ‹NAMELESS› EXACTLY, THE PALADIN HAS TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAN A CLERIC
09/09/2008 20:44:17 ‹YODA› JAMES, WHILE ARODEN WAS ALIVE, WHO GOD WAS HIS MOST BITTER ENEMY?
09/09/2008 20:44:41 ‹PYGON› SYMMETRICAL CAVE OR BUILDING INTERIORS, TOWN LAYOUT...
09/09/2008 20:45:05 ‹JAMES JACOBS› THERE'S A LOT OF MAPS IN PRODUCTS THAT ARE BASICALLY MIRRORS DOWN THE CENTER. AS IN, YOU EXPLORE THE WEST SIDE, AND YOU KNOW THE LAYOUT OF THE EAST SIDE. LAME.
20:45:27 ‹GREENGRUNT› AHHH,,, OK.. THANK YOU
09/09/2008 20:45:44 ‹NAMELESS› I IMAGINE THOUGH IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL POINT OF VIEW, IT'D MAKE FOR A PRETTY BORING LOCATION TO ADVENTURE THROUGH.
09/09/2008 20:45:53 ‹CHARLES EVANS› OF COURSE THE BEST DUNGEONS MIGHT SEEM SYMMETRICAL APART FROM THE OCCASIONAL TRAP....
09/09/2008 20:45:54 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Aroden's most bitter divine enemy was probably either Asmodeus, Urgathoa, or Nogorber.
09/09/2008 20:46:06 ‹Charles Evans› The occasional, lethal, instantly fatal trap...
09/09/2008 20:46:17 ‹greengrunt› Damn... Who is Nogorber again??
09/09/2008 20:46:19 ‹Russ› Evil is symmetrical
09/09/2008 20:46:22 ‹James Jacobs› Nameless> Actually... There aren't many symmetrical buildings from a floorplan perspective.
09/09/2008 20:46:22 ‹Charles Evans› murder
09/09/2008 20:46:25 ‹Russ› if the dungeon matches, it must be evil!
09/09/2008 20:46:30 ‹Sir Wulf› Charles Evans, you need to give them time to suffer...
09/09/2008 20:46:31 ‹James Jacobs› Norgorber = god of murder, thieves, and secrets
09/09/2008 20:46:48 ‹greengrunt› ty
09/09/2008 20:46:53 ‹Charles Evans› Norgorber is a former mortal, too, if I recall correctly.
09/09/2008 20:46:55 ‹yoda› cool
09/09/2008 20:47:02 ‹yoda› thanks
09/09/2008 20:47:05 ‹Justin Sluder› Charles Evans, you've just given me a wonderful idea
09/09/2008 20:47:08 ‹Charles Evans› One of the three who passed the test of the starstone.
09/09/2008 20:47:10 ‹shea› traps! I have a question about traps!
09/09/2008 20:47:14 ‹James Jacobs› Yes. Norgorber's the first mortal to ascend to deity status via the Starstone after Aroden.
09/09/2008 20:47:20 ‹PYGON› SHEA - NO NEED TO BOLD YOUR TEXT.
09/09/2008 20:47:27 ‹JAMES JACOBS› FOUR PASSED THAT TEST, ACTUALLY.
09/09/2008 20:47:37 ‹JAMES JACOBS› ARODEN, NORGORBER, CAYDEN CAILEAN, AND IOMEDAE.
09/09/2008 20:47:40 ‹SHEA› OKAY SORRY LOL I DIDNT WANT IT TO GET PASSED UP IN THE FAST PACED CHATTING
09/09/2008 20:47:42 ‹JUST SOME GUY› I ALWAYS LIKED NORGORBER'S MULTIPLE ASPECTS. I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING SOME MULTIPLE ASPECTS OF OTHER GODS IN THE UPCOMING BOOK, UNLESS THAT IS A QUALITY DISTINCTIVE TO NORGORBER
09/09/2008 20:47:48 ‹CHARLES EVANS› JJ SORRY; THOUGHT ARODEN SET THE TEST, AND DIDN'T HAVE TO PASS IT.
09/09/2008 20:47:50 ‹MOTHMAN› GENERALLY, SYMMETRY IN ARCHITECTURE IS A RESULT OF AESTHETICS, OR THE ARCHITECT WANTING TO ACHIEVE SYMMETRY, RATHER THAN PURE FUNCTION.
09/09/2008 20:47:55 ‹NAMELESS› JAMES JACOBS, OK, SO A SYMMETRICAL STRUCTURE WOULD BE OK IF THE FLOORPLAN WAS NOT SYMMETRICAL?
09/09/2008 20:48:03 ‹GREENGRUNT› CAYDEN CAILEAN REMINDS OF JACKIE CHAN'S DRUNKEN MASTER
09/09/2008 20:48:04 * JAY JOINS MAIN
09/09/2008 20:48:07 ‹CHARLES EVANS› IOMEDAE AND CAYDEAN CAILLEAN (SPELLING?) WERE THE OTHER TWO.
09/09/2008 20:48:08 ‹JAMES JACOBS› THERE ARE MULTIPLE ASPECTS OF CALISTRIA. THERE'S A SCHISM IN HER CHURCH, ACTUALLY, THAT PLAYS INTO A CERTAIN UPCOMING ADVENTURE....
09/09/2008 20:48:12 ‹GREENGRUNT› HELLO JAY
09/09/2008 20:48:17 ‹PYGON› SHEA - IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR JAMES, JUST PUT "JAMES -" AT THE FRONT AND HE'LL CATCH IT, USUALLY. OTHERWISE JUST POSE THE QUESTION AND ANYONE WHO CATCHES IT WILL ANSWER
09/09/2008 20:48:26 ‹SIR WULF› NORGORBER, GOD OF OVERPRICED DRY CLEANERS, FRAGILE COMPUTER COMPONENTS, AND ILL-TEMPERED HOUSECATS...
09/09/2008 20:48:27 ‹NAMELESS› I WONDER WHICH ADVENTURE *THAT* COULD BE.
09/09/2008 20:48:43 ‹JAMES JACOBS› NAMELESS> GENERALLY NO. I TEND TO PREFER INTERESTING MAPS, AND TO ME, SYMMETRICAL MAPS ARE DULL.
09/09/2008 20:48:48 ‹JUSTIN SLUDER› CHARLES EVANS, HIS TEST WAS EASY, ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS GET IT UP OUT OF THE INNER SEA AND SET IT IN ABSALOM. NOTHING FOR A GUY LIKE ARODEN.
09/09/2008 20:48:50 ‹JAY› HIYA
09/09/2008 20:48:51 ‹SHEA› OK SO I'M LOOKING ON PAGE 59 OF THE SKILLS SECTION AT THE CRAFT SKILL, AND IN TABLE 5-5 THERE IS A LIST OF CRAFT SKILLS. ONE OF THEM IS TRAPMAKING. HOWEVER I CAN'T FIND A DESCRIPTION FOR THE TRAPMAKING SKILL ANYWHERE
09/09/2008 20:48:53 ‹JUSTIN SLUDER› HOWDY JAY
09/09/2008 20:48:54 ‹JAMES JACOBS› THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A DESIGN CHALLENGE.
09/09/2008 20:48:59 ‹PYGON› HI JAY
09/09/2008 20:49:15 ‹YODA› JUSTIN SLUDER, I BET HE HAD GILLS
09/09/2008 20:49:20 ‹CHARLES EVANS› JUSTIN ACTUALLY HE BROUGHT THE ISLE UP AT THE SAME TIME, NOT JUST THE STARSTONE; ERIK CLARIIFED THAT IN THE DM REFERENCE.
09/09/2008 20:49:25 ‹GREENGRUNT› DAMN.. I WISH I HAD A MAP GENERATOR PROGRAM THAT I KNEW HOW TO USE
09/09/2008 20:49:32 ‹NAMELESS› NO, NO. I FIGURED THAT WAS THE CASE, I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
09/09/2008 20:49:35 ‹JAMES JACOBS› SHEA> THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL NEED TO TINKER WITH IN THE FINAL, I SUSPECT.
09/09/2008 20:49:46 ‹JUSTIN SLUDER› CHARLES EVANS, REALLY? I'VE MISSED THAT.
09/09/2008 20:49:51 * JUSTIN SLUDER GOES TO CHECK THE BOARDS
09/09/2008 20:49:51 ‹SHEA› AWW OK
09/09/2008 20:50:14 ‹YODA› WHO WAS KORTOS AND WHY'D THEY NAME THE ISLE FOR HIM AND NOT ARODEN?
09/09/2008 20:50:16 ‹JAMES JACOBS› THE BEST MAP GENERATOR PROGRAM I KNOW ABOUT IS "GRAPH PAPER 1.0" WITH THE ADD-ON PROGRAM "BLACK INK PEN."
09/09/2008 20:50:27 ‹JAY› LOL
09/09/2008 20:50:34 ‹JUST SOME GUY› MY BEEF WITH MAPS TENDS TO BE WHEN IT'S NOT SIZED APPROPRIATELY FOR THE CREATURES. IN SOME PRODUCTS I GET THE SENSE THAT THE CARTOGRAPHER NEVER GOT THE CHANCE TO SEE THE MANUSCRIPT, OR DIDN'T PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION IF THEY DID
09/09/2008 20:50:36 ‹GREENGRUNT›
09/09/2008 20:50:41 ‹NAMELESS› IT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS USED.
09/09/2008 20:50:43 ‹JAMES JACOBS› YUP; WHEN ARODEN RAISED THE STARSTONE, HE RAISED THE ISLE OF KORTOS AT THE SAME TIME. SINCE THE STARSTONE WAS SORTA STUCK TO THE ROCK.
09/09/2008 20:50:47 ‹SCRIPTOR› JAMES, THANKS FOR THE INFO.
09/09/2008 20:50:59 ‹JAMES JACOBS› THAT SORT OF CREATES SOME INTERESTING SHAPES IN THE DARKLANDS MAPS.
09/09/2008 20:51:01 ‹SCRIPTOR› (ON THE MAPS).
09/09/2008 20:51:11 ‹JAMES JACOBS› I'M NOT SURE WHO KORTOS IS.
09/09/2008 20:51:17 ‹JUSTIN SLUDER› JUST SOME GUY, LIKE THE MAP OF FORT RANNICK.
09/09/2008 20:51:22 ‹NAMELESS› JUST SOME GUY, YEAH THAT CAN BE A PROBLEM.
09/09/2008 20:51:25 ‹JAMES JACOBS› THAT'S A MYSTERY TO BE SOLVED IN ANOTHER DAY AND ANOTHER PRODUCT.
09/09/2008 20:51:30 ‹JUSTIN SLUDER› 5 FT. HALLS FOR 10 FT. CREATURES
09/09/2008 20:51:37 ‹GREENGRUNT› DRAWING CIRCULAR ROOMS ON GRAPH PAPER= MAJOR PAIN IN THE ASS
09/09/2008 20:51:39 ‹CHARLES EVANS› JAMES JACOBS: YOU GET ALMOST STRAIGHT LINE IN NATURE WITH FAULT-LINES....
09/09/2008 20:51:45 ‹ZOOTCAT› JAMES, WHY DID ARODEN RAISE THE STARSTONE?
09/09/2008 20:51:46 ‹NAMELESS› GREENGRUNT, TAKE OUT YOUR COMPASS!
09/09/2008 20:51:58 ‹JUSTIN SLUDER› ZOOTCAT, TO BECOME A GOD!
09/09/2008 20:52:00 ‹YODA› ZOOTCAT, WHY NOT?
09/09/2008 20:52:01 ‹CHARLES EVANS› HOWEVER, I SHALL HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE MAPS AND THEN COMPLAIN MIGHTILY....
09/09/2008 20:52:02 ‹GREENGRUNT› NAMELESS> DAMN... I NEED A GOOD COMPASS
09/09/2008 20:52:13 ‹JAMES JACOBS› USUALLY, JUST SOME GUY, THAT'S A PROBLEM CREATED BY THE AUTHOR OF AN ADVENTURE WHO WRITES THE ADVENTURE AND THEN DOES UP THE MAPS AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT. OR: A DESIGNER WHO'S STILL USED TO 1ST AND 2ND EDITION ADVENTURES, WHEN SPACE WASN'T AS BIG A DEAL.
09/09/2008 20:52:25 * BLAZEJ QUIT (TIMEOUT)
09/09/2008 20:52:26 ‹JUST SOME GUY› JUSTIN SLUDER, IT'S HAPPENED A LOT. THE DEATHWEBS LIVE IN A REALLY SMALL CAVE FOR THEIR SIZE. THOUGH MY INTENT IS NOT TO DENIGATE PAIZO PRODUCTS. CRAP HAPPENS, WE ALL DO OUR BEST
09/09/2008 20:52:44 ‹JUST SOME GUY› JAMES JACOBS, AH.. POINT TAKEN
09/09/2008 20:52:53 ‹NAMELESS› AGREED, GAMERS ARE NIT-PICKERS BY NATURE. PRODUCTS ARE STILL LOVED, HOWEVER.
09/09/2008 20:52:56 ‹GREENGRUNT› LOL.. I MENTIONED THE DEATHWEBS TO JJ ON THE PAIZO BOARDS A WAYS BACK
09/09/2008 20:52:59 ‹JAMES JACOBS› CHARLES> THE THIRD REALM OF THE DARKLANDS, ORV, IS THE MAGIC KEY THAT LETS US DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH THE TUNNELS, THOUGH.
20:53:12 ‹JUST SOME GUY› GREENGRUNT, I NEVER PAID ATTENTION TILL LAST SATURDAY
09/09/2008 20:53:16 ‹SIR WULF› THOSE DEATHWEBS JUST HAPPEN TO PREFER SOMEPLACE COZY, WITH LOW UTILITY BILLS.
09/09/2008 20:53:20 ‹JAMES JACOBS› ZOOTCAT> YEAH, HE RAISED IT TO SHOW THE WORLD HOW BAD ASS HE WAS, BASICALLY.
09/09/2008 20:53:21 ‹GREENGRUNT› HE TOLD ME I WAS RETARDED
09/09/2008 20:53:26 ‹JAMES JACOBS› AND TO CREATE A PLACE FOR HUMANS TO RULE.
09/09/2008 20:53:27 ‹NAMELESS› I CAN'T WAIT TO READ THIS DARKLANDS BOOK... THOUGH I SHOULD PROBABLY FINISH THE CAMPAIGN SETTIN GAT SOME POINT.
09/09/2008 20:53:32 ‹ZOOTCAT› ARODEN KNEW THAT RAISING THE STARSTONE WOULD MAKE HIM A GOD?
09/09/2008 20:53:32 ‹JAMES JACOBS› AND TO BE BAD ASS.
09/09/2008 20:53:41 ‹JUSTIN SLUDER› JUST SOME GUY, AGREED. I GOT A BOX OF PAIZO AWESOME TODAY AND IT HAD A SINGLE ITEM MISSING. I'M NOT WORRIED IN THE LEAST ABOUT GETTING MY PURCHASE AS I'VE ALREADY FIRED OFF AN E-MAIL TO CS
09/09/2008 20:53:43 * CHARLES EVANS MUTTERS SOMETHING ABOUT NOT HAVING MUCH MONEY TO SPARE FOR DARKLANDS BOOKS AT ORESENT.
09/09/2008 20:53:53 ‹CHARLES EVANS› ORESENT=PRESENT.
09/09/2008 20:54:13 ‹MOTHMAN› ALSO, FROM A TACTICAL POINT OF VIEW, WHY WOULD A CREATURE WANT TO HANG OUT IN A SPACE BIG ENOUGH FOR ITS ENEMIES (THE ADVENTURERS) TO SURROUND IT AND FLANK IT, WHEN IT COULD CRAM INTO A ROOM BIG ENOUGH TO FIT MAYBE ITSELF AND ONE OR TWO OPPONENTS AT A TIME?
09/09/2008 20:54:24 ‹JAMES JACOBS› AS FOR THE DEATHWEBS, THE CAVE ITSELF WAS VERY HIGH. THEY CAN CLIMB; THEY CLING TO THE WALLS ABOVE.
09/09/2008 20:54:28 ‹JAMES JACOBS› IT'S ALL LEGIT!
09/09/2008 20:54:40 ‹CHARLES EVANS›
09/09/2008 20:54:44 ‹JUSTIN SLUDER› JAMES JACOBS,
09/09/2008 20:54:47 ‹NAMELESS› THINKING IN 3-D.
09/09/2008 20:54:55 ‹PYGON› MOTH - WELL IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE BAD GUYS, IT'S BENEFICIAL TO BE ABLE TO SURROUND THE PCS
09/09/2008 20:55:01 ‹GREENGRUNT› AYE JJ EXACTLY WHAT YOU MENTIONED ON THE BOARDS... ASIDE FROM MY RETARDATION
09/09/2008 20:55:03 ‹HILL GIANT› MOTHMAN, ARE THE ROOMS IN YOUR HOUSE ALL 5'X5'?
09/09/2008 20:55:06 ‹JAMES JACOBS› ZOOTCAT> ARODEN KNEW SOMETHING WAS DOWN THERE, CERTAINLY. HOW MUCH HE KNEW, WE HAVEN'T SAID YET.
09/09/2008 20:55:11 ‹MOTHMAN› PYGON, TRUE
09/09/2008 20:55:26 ‹JAMES JACOBS› YOU NEVER GO FULL RETARD.
09/09/2008 20:55:33 ‹ZOOTCAT› THANKS JAMES
09/09/2008 20:55:41 ‹JAMES JACOBS› NO PROB!
09/09/2008 20:55:42 ‹GREENGRUNT› DID ARODEN CREATE THE FIRST BATHYSPHERE?? @ JJ
09/09/2008 20:55:44 ‹MOTHMAN› HILL GIANT, I USE METRIC - I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW BIG 5' X 5' IS! (I KID)
09/09/2008 20:55:50 ‹YODA› GREENGRUNT, HALF-RETARD TEMPLATE
09/09/2008 20:55:54 ‹YODA› -2 LA
09/09/2008 20:55:56 ‹JUST SOME GUY› JUST TO FIVE SOME RUNELORDS LOVE, MY PLAYERS LOVED THE HELL OUT OF THE REDCAPS.. THAT WAS A FUN ENCOUNTER. AT THE END OF THE FIGHT THEY ACCIDENTALLY INVOKED DESNA AND THE REMAINING ONES FLED. THE PLAYERS WERE MYSTIFIED AND THEN AMAZED THAT CREATURES WERE DESIGNED WITH A SENSE OF FOLKLORE AS WELL AS JUST MECHANICS
09/09/2008 20:56:05 ‹JUST SOME GUY› *GIVE
09/09/2008 20:56:07 ‹GREENGRUNT› AYE... I COULD SEND YOU MY PIC FOR THE TEMPLATE!!
09/09/2008 20:56:41 ‹JAMES JACOBS› HA! COOL!
09/09/2008 20:56:50 ‹GREENGRUNT›
09/09/2008 20:56:54 ‹JUSTIN SLUDER› GREENGRUNT = ?
09/09/2008 20:57:03 ‹GREENGRUNT›
09/09/2008 20:57:12 * ADAM JOINS MAIN
09/09/2008 20:57:14 ‹YODA› GREENGRUNT, YOU LOSE 6 INT, GAIN 2 CHA AND CAN ONLY SPEAK IN QUOTES FROM BARNEY
09/09/2008 20:57:25 ‹GREENGRUNT› LOL@ YODA
09/09/2008 20:57:25 ‹JUSTIN SLUDER› HOWDY ADAM!
09/09/2008 20:57:27 ‹PYGON› HI ADAM
09/09/2008 20:57:31 ‹GREENGRUNT› HEY ADAM
09/09/2008 20:57:36 ‹SCRIPTOR› HELLO, ADAM.
09/09/2008 20:57:38 ‹ADAM› HOWDY FOLKS!
09/09/2008 20:57:41 ‹CHARLES EVANS› DAIGLE?
09/09/2008 20:57:49 ‹ADAM› CHARLES, YES.
09/09/2008 20:57:58 ‹SIR WULF› MY CREWS ARE CURRENTLY WREAKING HAVOC IN FORT RANNICK.
09/09/2008 20:58:02 ‹GREENGRUNT› HELLO ERR... ADADAIGLE??
09/09/2008 20:58:05 ‹JUST SOME GUY› FIRST NAME AND EVERYTHING
09/09/2008 20:58:06 ‹MOTHMAN› HE ALWAYS CONFUSES ME WHEN HE DOES THAT ... HEY DAIGLE
09/09/2008 20:58:07 ‹YODA› HE HAS AN ALTER-EGO (OR FIRST NAME, WHICHEVER IS COOLER)
09/09/2008 20:58:15 ‹ADAM› GREENY, INDEED.
09/09/2008 20:58:18 ‹HILL GIANT› CHARLES EVANS, NO THANKS, I JUST ATE
20:58:30 ‹SHEA› ZOOTCAT I CANT WAIT FOR FRIDAY!
09/09/2008 20:58:32 ‹Justin Sluder› Sir Wulf, HMM was totally awesome!
09/09/2008 20:58:39 ‹Adam› How is everyone doing tonight?
09/09/2008 20:58:45 ‹shea› grat
09/09/2008 20:58:45 ‹Adam› Sorry I'm late
09/09/2008 20:58:46 ‹just some guy› good
09/09/2008 20:58:48 ‹shea› great*
09/09/2008 20:58:51 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Are you finished writing up the Darklands??
09/09/2008 20:58:55 ‹Wyvern› I'm doing better than yesterday!
09/09/2008 20:59:00 ‹Justin Sluder› my rotr game is currently just about to start the Valley of the Black Tower!
09/09/2008 20:59:12 ‹greengrunt› Nice Justin!!
09/09/2008 20:59:16 ‹yoda› shea, no need to bold. When your name comes up it's auto bolded...everyone sees their own name in bold
09/09/2008 20:59:19 ‹Charles Evans› Daigle: reasonably good.
09/09/2008 20:59:25 ‹James Jacobs› i've got to write up the flavor words for three of the five new monsters, and then I'm done! So... About 1,500 words away...
09/09/2008 20:59:40 ‹just some guy› that's not too long to go!
09/09/2008 20:59:40 ‹Pygon› sweet
09/09/2008 20:59:41 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs,
09/09/2008 20:59:52 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs =
09/09/2008 20:59:57 ‹Zootcat› me too, shea, it wil be fun
09/09/2008 21:00:03 ‹James Jacobs› Woah... Mysteries of bold face names make sense to me now!
09/09/2008 21:00:03 ‹greengrunt› Nice! Don't forget the stat blocks! Otherwise, Wes will have his revenge!
09/09/2008 21:00:17 ‹Justin Sluder›
09/09/2008 21:00:19 ‹James Jacobs› Stat blocks are done already.
09/09/2008 21:00:25 ‹James Jacobs› Those are the easy parts.
09/09/2008 21:00:32 ‹greengrunt›
09/09/2008 21:00:33 ‹yoda› James Jacobs, did you not know how that worked?
09/09/2008 21:00:36 * Adam nods.
09/09/2008 21:00:38 ‹Scriptor› Phew. Easy for you, James.
09/09/2008 21:00:39 ‹James Jacobs› I did not.
09/09/2008 21:00:40 * Slow Burning Yasha quit (timeout)
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09/09/2008 21:00:51 ‹Mothman› yeah, took me a long time to figure that out with the bold names too....
09/09/2008 21:00:57 ‹James Jacobs› The hard part for monsters is coming up with an idea for the monster that's worth being a new monster.
09/09/2008 21:00:58 ‹Sir Wulf› I'd better scoot! You all have a good night!
09/09/2008 21:01:05 * Nameless quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 21:01:07 ‹yoda› night Wulf
09/09/2008 21:01:08 ‹Mothman› see you Wulf
09/09/2008 21:01:09 ‹Pygon› bye Wulf
09/09/2008 21:01:10 ‹just some guy› night
09/09/2008 21:01:11 ‹Justin Sluder› cya Wulf
09/09/2008 21:01:13 ‹Adam› Take care Wulf!
09/09/2008 21:01:14 ‹Scriptor› JJ> Ah, true.
09/09/2008 21:01:14 ‹greengrunt› New monsters are freaking hard to develop
09/09/2008 21:01:19 ‹Scriptor› Night, Wulf.
09/09/2008 21:01:21 ‹James Jacobs› Fortunately, for Darklands, most of the "new" monsters are either ripped off from literature or ripped off from my homebrew.
09/09/2008 21:01:23 ‹Jay› whats the hardest part?
09/09/2008 21:01:26 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Which hasn't been done befre, you mean?
09/09/2008 21:01:32 ‹Adam› "Final Fantasy did it!"
09/09/2008 21:01:34 ‹greengrunt› I get frustrated with that creative excursion
09/09/2008 21:01:46 ‹Pygon› may you never run of of unused homebrew.
09/09/2008 21:01:50 ‹Pygon› *out
09/09/2008 21:01:52 ‹greengrunt› Nice JJ... So you're all set then!
09/09/2008 21:01:58 ‹yoda› shea, you can also click on someone's name in the chat window to add their name as written into your next text line to bold it even if they have a long name
09/09/2008 21:01:59 ‹Justin Sluder› Pygon, amen!
09/09/2008 21:02:17 ‹James Jacobs› i've been building my homebrew since 1983 or thereabouts, so i've got plenty of stuff to steal from.
09/09/2008 21:02:26 ‹Charles Evans›
09/09/2008 21:02:39 ‹greengrunt› JJ> How is the office campaign for the pre-RORL Sandpoint coming??
09/09/2008 21:02:42 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 21:03:01 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, I'm only 3 years older than your homebrew!
09/09/2008 21:03:20 ‹Adam›
09/09/2008 21:03:23 ‹Pygon› he started his homebrew a year after I started playing...
09/09/2008 21:03:23 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Hasn't started yet. I'm hoping to get a bunch of Campaign Traits written for it over the weekend, and then get started on the game by the end of the month.
09/09/2008 21:03:27 ‹Scriptor› Heh, yer just a young'un, Justin.
09/09/2008 21:03:31 ‹shea› ok thanks yoda
09/09/2008 21:03:33 ‹greengrunt› Nice!!
09/09/2008 21:03:38 ‹James Jacobs› WHERE'S MY CANE! THERE'S KIDS ON MY LAWN!
09/09/2008 21:03:45 ‹greengrunt›
09/09/2008 21:03:51 ‹Zootcat› Sandpoint, Idaho? J/k
09/09/2008 21:03:53 * Charles Evans hands JJ a
09/09/2008 21:03:54 ‹Justin Sluder›
09/09/2008 21:04:43 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: spoilers?
09/09/2008 21:05:00 ‹Mothman› They're still be BITS of kids on his lawn if he uses that Charles
09/09/2008 21:05:01 ‹Charles Evans› (Second Darkness)
09/09/2008 21:05:07 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Any gaming products that you've edited that you're really happy to tell us about?
09/09/2008 21:05:20 ‹just some guy› greengrunt, good question I second that
09/09/2008 21:05:33 ‹Jay› yea I can always use less money
21:05:41 ‹greengrunt›
09/09/2008 21:05:46 ‹James Jacobs› No spoilers come to mind yet for Second Darkness.
09/09/2008 21:06:09 ‹Adam› Now, what if we ask for specific spoilers?
09/09/2008 21:06:13 ‹James Jacobs› And as for neat upcoming products... Gods and Magic is gonna be SUPER COOL. I predict that one'll be quite popular.
09/09/2008 21:06:19 ‹Charles Evans› Spoilers (legacy of fire or Cheliax camapign then?)
09/09/2008 21:06:22 ‹James Jacobs› Specific spoilers have a MUCH better chance for answers.
09/09/2008 21:06:28 ‹Charles Evans› (i've got to try)
09/09/2008 21:06:38 * Pygon quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 21:06:43 ‹greengrunt› It looks b!!+!in!!
09/09/2008 21:06:50 ‹Charles Evans› Does the succubus in PF 17 work for calistria?
09/09/2008 21:06:52 ‹James Jacobs› We're still a couple of months away from having anything at all about AP5 to talk about.
09/09/2008 21:06:53 ‹Adam› Okay kids, you heard him....get to specifics!
09/09/2008 21:07:00 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> She does not.
09/09/2008 21:07:13 ‹Charles Evans›
09/09/2008 21:07:24 ‹greengrunt› Are the pcs going to run into a Cthulhu like lost god in the Darklands??
09/09/2008 21:07:28 ‹Justin Sluder› um G&M is by SKR, the go to God-Guy, how can it not rock?
09/09/2008 21:07:33 ‹Charles Evans› Is the villain (allevrah) a spellcaster?
09/09/2008 21:07:39 ‹just some guy› James Jacobs, Does Gods and Magics have some cool feats like Lamashtu's Mark from PF#1?
09/09/2008 21:07:52 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> The words "Yog-Sothoth," "Azathoth," "shoggoth," and "gug" are all mentioned in Darklands.
09/09/2008 21:07:55 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yes
09/09/2008 21:08:06 ‹Zootcat› That Sandpoint campaign sounds awesome. I've been wanting to write a bunch of short stories about prerotrl Sanpoint. Before and during the Great Unpleasantness.
09/09/2008 21:08:17 ‹James Jacobs› just some guy> There are no feats in Gods & Magic. Just gods and magic.
09/09/2008 21:08:30 ‹James Jacobs› Zootcat> Me too!
09/09/2008 21:08:32 ‹Charles Evans› James Jaocbs: Arw we ever going to see a non-spellcaster Big Bad at the end of an AP?
09/09/2008 21:08:35 ‹Russ› Justin - for an answer to that question, read Scarlet Brotherhood. Something of a disappointment, and canon errors too.
09/09/2008 21:09:15 ‹Justin Sluder› Russ, that's a Greyhawk thing, right?
09/09/2008 21:09:26 ‹yoda› James Jacobs, after Aroden's death, were there people claiming to be him reborn? You know, anti-Arodens?
09/09/2008 21:09:28 ‹Mothman› James, is your Sandpoint campaign going to centre around the "Late Unpleasantness" at all? Or the Sandpoint Devil?
09/09/2008 21:09:31 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yes
09/09/2008 21:09:31 ‹greengrunt› Is Celwynvian going to be mapped out in its entirety??
09/09/2008 21:09:38 ‹Russ› Justin - yep.
09/09/2008 21:09:44 * Eyebite joins Main
09/09/2008 21:09:52 ‹greengrunt› Hey Eye
09/09/2008 21:09:52 ‹Charles Evans› Or is it a design thing, that it's easier to give the end of path Big Bad spellcasting capacity of some point, to be challenging?
09/09/2008 21:09:59 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yes. They were mostly quickly proven to be crazy or up to some sort of evil.
09/09/2008 21:10:02 ‹Justin Sluder› Russ, novel? Module? Other?
09/09/2008 21:10:03 ‹Eyebite› Hey Grunt
09/09/2008 21:10:06 ‹Adam› Howdy Eyebite!
09/09/2008 21:10:08 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Eyebite
09/09/2008 21:10:17 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Eyebite.
09/09/2008 21:10:19 ‹Scriptor› Hi, Eyebite.
09/09/2008 21:10:35 ‹Eyebite› Hey guys!
09/09/2008 21:10:42 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> My Sandpoint campaign is actually looking like it'll start a year AFTER Runelords occurs. And it's looking like it'll probably have something to do with what REALLY went on during the Late Unpleasantness.
09/09/2008 21:11:03 ‹Charles Evans›
09/09/2008 21:11:09 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs,
09/09/2008 21:11:13 ‹just some guy›
09/09/2008 21:11:15 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> In Pathfinder 15, yes. We have maps of Celwynvian at its height and as it is today. It's not a HUGE place, though...
09/09/2008 21:11:21 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 21:11:26 ‹Mothman› James: very cool. Hopefully someone will keep a journal of it!
09/09/2008 21:11:29 ‹greengrunt› Also.. Is Kyonin going to be covered for this AP??
21:11:41 ‹yoda› Waht DID go on? No one from the office is in here, so you can tell us
09/09/2008 21:11:46 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It's more of a theme thing. Actaully... The BBEG for Age of Worms and the one for Savage Tide weren't spellcasters.
09/09/2008 21:11:48 ‹just some guy› Something REALLY happened in Sandpoint that we're not privy to?
09/09/2008 21:11:52 ‹James Jacobs› Technically speaking, at least.
09/09/2008 21:12:09 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Lisa posted a death from her Rise of the Runelords campaign the other day; is that her beta playtest group?
09/09/2008 21:12:09 ‹Mothman› Neither was the BBEG for Shackled City
09/09/2008 21:12:22 ‹James Jacobs› But it's mostly just what we feel like doing. Spellcasting or not is mostly just a factor of what the story wants to do.
09/09/2008 21:12:43 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> I hope someone DOES keep a journal! I will if no one else does.
09/09/2008 21:12:51 * David joins Main
09/09/2008 21:13:08 ‹Russ› Justin - sourcebook. Really more of an Amedio/Hepmonaland sourcebook than just the SB. The gods section was a big let-down.
09/09/2008 21:13:14 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Kyonin gets detailed in the Elves of Golarion 32 pager (for the Players) and then in Pathfinder 17 (for the GM).
09/09/2008 21:13:17 ‹Charles Evans› Admiarchus, Kyuss, both had lists of spell-like abilities; demogorgon, true was more of a plain melee guy.
09/09/2008 21:13:27 ‹Russ› Hmmm....the big bad guy for Age of Worms most certainly WAS a spellcaster.
09/09/2008 21:13:40 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> What DID go on is still Top Secret! Those other office folk sometimes read the transcripts, ya know...
09/09/2008 21:13:46 ‹Justin Sluder› Russ, and it was SKR? Was he new to the game?
09/09/2008 21:13:51 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah. There are still LOTS of secrets in Sandpoint.
09/09/2008 21:13:54 ‹Russ› 20th level each in sorcerer and cleric
09/09/2008 21:14:14 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I'm not sure, but I believe it's her beta playtest group, yes.
09/09/2008 21:14:21 ‹just some guy› James Jacobs, the secrets of Sandpoint sounds like a good module sometime next year
09/09/2008 21:14:33 ‹Pygon› James - there was some dicussion in chat a few days ago regarding the CS history being 10000 years long as opposed to, say, 1000 years, which is also plenty of time for so many changes ot take place. Was there a design philosophy around choosing the 10000 year timeframe?
09/09/2008 21:14:37 * Charles Evans tries to recall if that was the group R. Garfield was in...
09/09/2008 21:14:43 ‹Russ› Justin - yep, it was Skreyn. He'd been at work for a while by then, but it was a some time ago (1999)
09/09/2008 21:14:54 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Some day we'll prolly do a non-spellcasting bbeg, but not Just to Do It.
09/09/2008 21:16:02 ‹Eyebite› laaaag
09/09/2008 21:16:04 ‹Justin Sluder› Russ, eh, I blame Hasbro/wotc.
09/09/2008 21:16:23 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Yeah; basically to enforce the fact that the world's been around for a long time, and that a lot has happened in that time. But mostly, we were just hoping to avoid having to do a lot of minus signs if we talk about something that's before Year Zero.
09/09/2008 21:16:37 ‹Pygon› cool, thanks
09/09/2008 21:16:42 * Absinth joins Main
09/09/2008 21:16:50 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Absinth
09/09/2008 21:16:51 ‹Adam› Howdy Absinth
09/09/2008 21:16:52 ‹Pygon› there was a lot of hostory simulationist talk, I figured I'd ask
09/09/2008 21:16:57 ‹Pygon› *history
09/09/2008 21:17:02 ‹yoda› James Jacobs, thanks, by the way, for the response to my rant on my lj about that topic
09/09/2008 21:17:02 ‹Absinth› Good Morning!
09/09/2008 21:17:12 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> No prob!
09/09/2008 21:17:16 ‹James Jacobs› HI Absinth!
09/09/2008 21:17:21 ‹Russ› I find the world very static for how old it is. For example, firearms having been around for thousands of years, apparently without much change.
09/09/2008 21:17:30 ‹Scriptor› Hey, Absinth.
09/09/2008 21:17:31 ‹David› yoda, you have a livejournal?
09/09/2008 21:17:41 ‹David› Absinth, hi
09/09/2008 21:17:45 ‹James Jacobs› A static world is a lot easier to write about.
09/09/2008 21:17:50 ‹yoda› yes, in fact I have several
21:18:04 ‹David› several?
09/09/2008 21:18:06 ‹Russ› It seems like there's not much change in borders going on, especially as compared to say an arbitrary 100 years of european history
09/09/2008 21:18:11 ‹yoda› my full username is the one for RPG stuff
09/09/2008 21:18:15 ‹James Jacobs› Also: In a world where folk can throw tornadoes at you or shoot lightning from their fingers... Firearms aren't going to have nearly as much of an impact.
09/09/2008 21:18:28 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, agreed
09/09/2008 21:18:39 ‹Scriptor› JJ> Thanks, that's what I kept telling my group.
09/09/2008 21:18:52 ‹Russ› I'm having trouble seeing these nations hold their borders against everything for thousands of years at a time.
09/09/2008 21:18:59 ‹Charles Evans› No tornadoes in Alkenstar though owing to it being DM area.
09/09/2008 21:19:04 ‹Pygon› I was wondering if in a world of magic, firearms wouldn't develop so quickly
09/09/2008 21:19:07 ‹Jay› plus bows seem to be able do a lot more damage a lot more effiently
09/09/2008 21:19:07 ‹Russ› Now at least there's an explanation for the last 100 years being different
09/09/2008 21:19:08 ‹James Jacobs› Also, writing about history is dull. It doesn't help if we use up all our space talking about what happened over the course of the last many centuries and then say nothing about what's going on RIGHT NOW.
09/09/2008 21:19:12 ‹Adam› It's not earth, that's how.
09/09/2008 21:19:28 ‹Absinth› James, why do you track time in Golarion so exactly, when the modules and AP don't have any impact on the canon history?
09/09/2008 21:19:33 ‹Russ› It jars, since the time frame is so bloody long
09/09/2008 21:19:40 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> You have to either let go your need for history porn or grin and bear it, I'm afraid.
09/09/2008 21:19:57 ‹Mothman› oooh, history porn
09/09/2008 21:20:03 ‹Charles Evans› Although to an extent Alkensatr hasn't really been caught up in wars; wars and accidental discovereies seem to drive technological advances.
21:20:08 ‹Russ› Eh. I'll address it by cutting most of the dates by 10 in my home game.
09/09/2008 21:20:10 ‹Mothman› Oh wait, that's not what I think it is....
09/09/2008 21:20:11 ‹James Jacobs› Because we don't have the time or resources to build a world large enough for everything we want to do AND detail out the rise and fall of borders and kings and nations. It's one or the other.
09/09/2008 21:20:21 ‹Pygon› Inokve Rule 34 on History.
09/09/2008 21:20:38 ‹yoda› James Jacobs, that's what the novels should do, tell the history
09/09/2008 21:20:46 ‹Adam› Which one is 34?
09/09/2008 21:21:06 ‹Pygon› Rule 34 - there is always porn for something.
09/09/2008 21:21:06 ‹James Jacobs› Also: Going back 10,000 years keeps us from bottling ourselves in. We weren't sure how long we'd still be doing Pathfinder stuff at the onset, and if we gave ourselves only a 100 year history then all of a sudden we'd have to make up stuff on the fly all the time.
09/09/2008 21:21:14 ‹Charles Evans› Nooooo. Novels tell about people.
09/09/2008 21:21:16 ‹Adam› Ahh!
09/09/2008 21:21:24 ‹Russ› I don't mind the 10,000 years part. I just would have pushed the modern nations into the last 1,000 years or so
09/09/2008 21:21:35 ‹Mothman› James: I recently picked up Lords of Madness (50% off!), just reading the Aboleth chapter now; is that part something you wrote? Also, would the stuff in Lords of Madness on Aboleths gel fairly well with how they work in golarion?
09/09/2008 21:21:45 ‹Russ› Leaves you lots of space for empires that have come and gone in the intervening period
09/09/2008 21:21:48 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Because the history stuff is meant mostly to be adventure hooks and inspiration.
09/09/2008 21:22:11 ‹yoda› Charles Evans, but they can be set in the past to fill in all the gaps, and not ruin timeline continuity for the present
21:22:26 ‹Scriptor› Charles> But history is about people...
09/09/2008 21:22:40 ‹just some guy› Mothman, he's quite proud about Lords of Madness as I recall
09/09/2008 21:22:50 ‹Mothman› Russ: I must admit, it also jarred with me a bit that some of these nations seem to have been in existance, and relatively static for thousands of years...
09/09/2008 21:22:58 ‹greengrunt› Holy schmo... Hey Absinth... I drift for a while ... And look what happens
09/09/2008 21:23:06 ‹Charles Evans› yoda: from the mess FR was in, which had a much larger staff (in theory) behind it, I'm not too happy with the idea that novels can be used to 'fill in' history.
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09/09/2008 21:23:18 ‹Russ› Compare it with say 2,000 years of Gaul
09/09/2008 21:23:23 ‹Adam› Scribbles!
09/09/2008 21:23:23 ‹James Jacobs› Also, by saying that each module is Instantly Canon, we just set us up for lots of editorial errors and at the same time we run increasing risks of invalidating our previous stuff. We want a new customer to be able to run Seven Swords of Sin after running Clash of the Kingslayers without problem.
09/09/2008 21:23:27 ‹Pygon› hi Scribe!
09/09/2008 21:23:27 ‹greengrunt› Hey Scribe
09/09/2008 21:23:29 ‹Eyebite› Hey Scribe
09/09/2008 21:23:32 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Rambling Scribe
09/09/2008 21:23:32 ‹Charles Evans› You end up with discrpenecies without a continuity editor.
09/09/2008 21:23:32 ‹Scriptor› Scribe! Hi!
09/09/2008 21:23:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi everyone!
09/09/2008 21:23:38 ‹Pygon› and Eyebite! Didn't see you there
09/09/2008 21:23:41 ‹David› Rambling Scribe, hi
09/09/2008 21:23:42 ‹Russ› James - why advance the year with the real world year if that's how it is going to be done, though?
09/09/2008 21:23:47 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> I wrote the entire chapter about aboleths. (I also wrote the beholder chapter, about half of the new monsters, and most of the last chapter).
09/09/2008 21:23:49 ‹Absinth› James, so there won't be any world-shaking events in mods or aps that affect history? Will there be events like these at all and, if so, where will we read about them? In novels, chronicles?
09/09/2008 21:23:56 ‹yoda› Charles Evans, they could detail the events surrounding a specific, already mentioned event, like the Goblin Wars in Andoran or the Shoanit/Korvosa conflict
09/09/2008 21:23:57 ‹Eyebite› Pygon! Heh
09/09/2008 21:23:59 ‹James Jacobs› And yes: The Lords of Madness aboleth info would fit into Golarion VERY well.
09/09/2008 21:23:59 ‹Russ› That automatically makes any handouts with a year in them void if you mix-and-match products from different years
09/09/2008 21:24:01 ‹Absinth› Hey Scribe!
09/09/2008 21:24:14 ‹Rambling Scribe› Good idea Absinth!
09/09/2008 21:24:18 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs,
09/09/2008 21:24:18 ‹Pygon› Scribe - Nick says he'll release your ship rules when he gets them from you. Well!?
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09/09/2008 21:24:23 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda, A, you mean flesh out the detail, not fill in the gaps...
09/09/2008 21:24:25 ‹yoda› or the experiences of the people who lived in the Shackles when a hurricane decided to plant itself on their beachfront property
09/09/2008 21:24:27 ‹greengrunt› Well... In Second Darkness.. If the pcs screw up.. There will be some serious consequences yes??
09/09/2008 21:24:34 ‹Rambling Scribe› i've been drinking coffee porter this evening.
09/09/2008 21:24:41 ‹James Jacobs› Honestly, I would have preferred to go back only 2,000 or 3,000 years, but Erik made the call for 10,000. So for EXACT reasoning, you'd have to ask him.
09/09/2008 21:24:45 ‹yoda› greengrunt, canon almost always assumes that pcs succeed
09/09/2008 21:24:47 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda: Sorry, misunderstood what you were suggesting.
09/09/2008 21:24:54 ‹Adam› Sounds tasty, Craig.
09/09/2008 21:24:55 ‹yoda› that's the policy we've adopted for the wiki at least
09/09/2008 21:24:58 ‹Mothman› James, I figured you probably wrote aboleths; apart from the fact it seems like your thing, it seemed very consistant with how they were portrayed under the Isle of Dread in Savage Tide...
09/09/2008 21:25:10 ‹Justin Sluder› greengrunt, at the end of rotr a mountain could get up and start breaking things, so failure is a big nasty possibility.
09/09/2008 21:25:19 ‹yoda› that the BBEG in rotr can be said to be destroyed in 4707 and that's the end of the discussion
09/09/2008 21:25:27 ‹Pygon› Justin - where is that said, exactly?
09/09/2008 21:25:29 ‹Russ› And Korvosa is region-shaking if not earth-shaking
09/09/2008 21:25:36 ‹Justin Sluder› Pygon, let me look
09/09/2008 21:25:55 ‹James Jacobs› The thing is: We DO advance the world month by month. The implication is that two adventure paths happen a year, so that Runelords takes place over the months of Fall and Winter. Therefore, if we put an easter egg into AP8 from Runelords, it'll match. BUT: since some folk prefer to let aps cover YEARS... We don't want to set that time in stone for real.
09/09/2008 21:26:15 ‹greengrunt› Oh hey Yoda... I just read your LJ post about your player mutiny.. Dude.. That's balls man
09/09/2008 21:26:20 ‹yoda› it's in the concluding the adventure section of the final book
09/09/2008 21:26:29 ‹Pygon› thanks yoda
09/09/2008 21:26:35 ‹Justin Sluder› yoda, yeah
09/09/2008 21:26:36 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> For the most part, our "world shaking events" are going to be events that occur only if the players fail to "win" an adventure path.
09/09/2008 21:26:42 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Once Rise of the Runelords is out of print, will it be reprinted? Will pdfs continue to be sold?
09/09/2008 21:26:44 ‹Justin Sluder› I just couldn't remember exactly where
09/09/2008 21:26:49 ‹James Jacobs› Eventually we'll probably do some sort of world shaker, but not for a LONG time.
09/09/2008 21:26:52 ‹Russ› Yeah, but in 10 years, it's gonna be pretty weird that nothing happened for the past ten years, due to freezing the world in 2007
09/09/2008 21:26:54 ‹Justin Sluder› i've only read 6 once so far
21:27:07 ‹Justin Sluder› still gming 4
09/09/2008 21:27:11 ‹shea› ok ima take off, nice talking to everyone. Hope to talk again.
09/09/2008 21:27:18 ‹greengrunt› Later Shea
09/09/2008 21:27:20 ‹Pygon› bye shea
09/09/2008 21:27:21 ‹Adam› Take care Shea
09/09/2008 21:27:27 ‹Justin Sluder› cya shea
09/09/2008 21:27:30 ‹Absinth› Bye shea
09/09/2008 21:27:30 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight shea
09/09/2008 21:27:32 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Yes; a fail in Second Darkness will have EXTREME effects on the world. So will a fail in Runelords, actually.
09/09/2008 21:27:34 ‹just some guy› be well!
09/09/2008 21:27:36 ‹yoda› James Jacobs, so is it safe to assume that, as far as canon is confirmed (for the wiki) that Karzoug was killed in the beginning of 4808
09/09/2008 21:28:14 ‹Charles Evans› .
09/09/2008 21:28:14 ‹shea› lol how do i sign out? Just close the window?
09/09/2008 21:28:26 ‹Eyebite› You can never leave Shea
09/09/2008 21:28:28 ‹Pygon› that works.
09/09/2008 21:28:31 ‹Eyebite› you belong to us now
09/09/2008 21:28:37 ‹Adam› You can type "/quit" too.
09/09/2008 21:28:42 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> We'll probably continue to sell pdfs of everything forever, I suspect. I'm not sure what we'll do once Runelords goes out of print. We've already reprinted #2, thoguh, and maybe a few others...
09/09/2008 21:28:43 ‹Eyebite› or that
09/09/2008 21:28:46 ‹Charles Evans› Well that or disconnect by clicking on the globe wtha lightning bolt.
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09/09/2008 21:28:50 ‹just some guy› James Jacobs, one thought that always struck me is that Karzoug predates some actual Gods. I have it in mind that if he survived "what the Hell is a Starstone?" would be one of the first long term questions he'd be asking himself
09/09/2008 21:29:30 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yes. Although it makes me wince to assume anything about "canon" since that seems to be just an invitation for nit picking.
09/09/2008 21:29:31 ‹yoda› just some guy, I imagine he was slumbering but keeping some watch on what was happening in the meantime
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09/09/2008 21:29:41 ‹greengrunt› JSG> Good point ... Wouldn't Karzoug try to fight his way into Absalom??
09/09/2008 21:29:45 ‹Zootcat› see ya shea
09/09/2008 21:30:16 ‹James Jacobs› just some guy> Assuming Karzoug DOESN'T know about that stuff. He had methods of looking forward and backward in time, after all...
09/09/2008 21:30:17 ‹Hill Giant› Norgorber might take issue with someone else wanting to be god of greed.
09/09/2008 21:30:19 ‹Russ› I wouldn't think Karzoug would want to risk his immortality taking the test
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09/09/2008 21:30:31 ‹greengrunt› Or ... He could use magic and stealth his way into the city??
09/09/2008 21:30:49 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> I doubt Karzoug would set his eyes on Absalom for a while. He'd be busy rebuilding Shalast for at LEAST a few years.
09/09/2008 21:31:14 ‹Absinth› Karzoug going to Absalom would be indeed a cool story to tell...
09/09/2008 21:31:15 ‹greengrunt› Yes but wouldn't Karzoug view the Starstone as a potential lodestone for power??
09/09/2008 21:31:26 ‹James Jacobs› Also; he and all of the runelords are kind of arrogant, and not really religious. I suspect they'd see a bid to become a god via starstone as a waste of time.
09/09/2008 21:31:31 * Russ finds the idea of immortality through sloth amusing. Perhaps the sloth lord just slowed down time for himself - a lot.
09/09/2008 21:31:39 ‹greengrunt› Hmmm
09/09/2008 21:31:44 ‹just some guy› Russ, he might not want to take the risk.. But as a long term plan over the years to follow understanding the implications of the Starstone would be one thing on his "to do list"
09/09/2008 21:32:14 ‹Russ› Plus, he'd need to build up an army to assault Absalom. Definitely takes time.
09/09/2008 21:32:15 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect he'd try to figure a way out how to move the Starstone to Xin-Shalast before anything else, though.
09/09/2008 21:32:23 ‹James Jacobs› To put it in his treasury.
09/09/2008 21:32:26 ‹yoda› do the souls of people who fail the Test of the Starstone go somewhere specific, or just wherever that soul would normally have gone?
09/09/2008 21:32:38 ‹James Jacobs› No one knows what happens to them.
09/09/2008 21:32:47 ‹James Jacobs› They might all still be in the cathedral.
09/09/2008 21:32:53 ‹James Jacobs› they might be gone forever.
09/09/2008 21:32:58 ‹James Jacobs› They might just be dead.
09/09/2008 21:32:59 ‹greengrunt› I would imagine then.. Karzoug would want to reactivate as many inactive Runewells as he could? A high priority? Aside from rebuiding Xin Shalast
09/09/2008 21:33:01 ‹James Jacobs› <shrug>
09/09/2008 21:33:03 ‹Adam› Part of the Starstone
09/09/2008 21:33:14 ‹Adam› Their souls power it for further tests.
09/09/2008 21:33:34 ‹Scriptor› Lots of potential stories in all of that.
09/09/2008 21:33:44 ‹Pygon› Caydien must have entered during a shift change.
09/09/2008 21:33:46 ‹tensor›
09/09/2008 21:33:48 ‹Adam› Passing the test allows you to gain the perspective from all those trapped within.
09/09/2008 21:33:49 ‹yoda› maybe all these rocks the drow are bringing down will have the same effect
09/09/2008 21:33:56 ‹James Jacobs› Karzoug's first priority would be to get all of Xin-Shalast (and the giants and lamias and skulks and whatnot) under his command. Next would be to reclaim control of Shalast. He's got his own runewell. He probably wouldn't mess around with the others for a bit, for fear of accidentally waking up some competition.
09/09/2008 21:34:20 ‹Russ› I'm a little murky on when there are multiple runewells for a sin, and when there are not
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09/09/2008 21:34:53 ‹greengrunt› Same here Russ.. Isn't there one under Sandpoint though??
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09/09/2008 21:35:08 ‹yoda› greengrunt, that one is for wrath
09/09/2008 21:35:11 ‹Scriptor› Aw, man. I just noticed the time. Gotta say goonight, guys. Nice to meet you all.
09/09/2008 21:35:11 ‹Pygon› greetings Tim
09/09/2008 21:35:14 ‹greengrunt› Ahh
09/09/2008 21:35:18 ‹James Jacobs› My basic idea is that there's one Runewell of Greed. That's the one at the end of the AP. The other runelords learned about it, and some of them tried to mimic Karzoug. Alaznist went for the "If he can have one, i'll BUILD A HUNDRED" and that didn't really do much for her.
09/09/2008 21:35:19 ‹greengrunt› Hey Tim
09/09/2008 21:35:21 ‹Pygon› bye Scriptor, nice meeting you
09/09/2008 21:35:24 ‹Scriptor› Greetingd and goodnight Tim.
09/09/2008 21:35:26 ‹Adam› Goodnight Scriptor
09/09/2008 21:35:27 ‹yoda› but was still activated in 4702, so perhaps they all got activated
09/09/2008 21:35:34 ‹Timitius› Hey everyone!
09/09/2008 21:35:36 ‹James Jacobs› The runewell in Xin-Shalast is, if you will, an artifact. The other ones are either minor artifacts or just magic items.
09/09/2008 21:35:40 ‹just some guy› James Jacobs, new thought, new idea... Back in the day I loved that old tesseract version of Baba Yaga's Hut for AD&D. Not that I want you and the gang to rip it off, but it strikes me as a Paizo B.Y. Hut would be a mighty cool thing. Maybe a high level dungeon Erik has suggested that the crew will do some day in the future
09/09/2008 21:35:48 ‹Zootcat› Hey Timitius
09/09/2008 21:35:49 ‹Eyebite› Hey Tim
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09/09/2008 21:36:04 ‹Adam› Howdy Tim
09/09/2008 21:36:06 ‹James Jacobs› There are other runewells also, and when Karzoug's was activated, the other ones flashed with life in sympathy, but they're "lesser runewells."
09/09/2008 21:36:08 ‹Timitius› Zootcat! Hey and howdy!
09/09/2008 21:36:29 ‹Russ› thanks, that clarifies a lot
09/09/2008 21:36:33 ‹James Jacobs› The whole "how runewells work" question isn't one that I"m 100% ready to answer right now though.
21:36:43 ‹Timitius› Zootcat, you need to RSVP, you know.....
09/09/2008 21:36:47 ‹Russ› Why set it in stone when we can have flexibility?
09/09/2008 21:36:58 ‹Pygon› Runewell RW-1.
09/09/2008 21:37:00 ‹Russ› Granted, the runewells ARE set in stone, but that doesn't mean how they work is
09/09/2008 21:37:04 ‹greengrunt› Hmm.. Lesser runewells... So the lessers need to be activated en masse in order for them to have a significant impact on a Runelord's power??
09/09/2008 21:37:11 ‹yoda› Timitius, is that RSVP refundable?
09/09/2008 21:37:14 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... I kind of started a 3.5 update of the old Dragon adventure for Baba Yaga's hut a while back. I keep going back to working on it now and then...
09/09/2008 21:37:27 ‹just some guy› hells yes!
09/09/2008 21:37:30 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Maybe.
09/09/2008 21:37:52 ‹James Jacobs› The other six runelords are in different forms of stasis that don't involve runewells though.
09/09/2008 21:37:57 ‹yoda› I might be moving across country in April and that might dminish my chances of following through with my plans to be at paizocon
09/09/2008 21:38:02 ‹Absinth› .
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09/09/2008 21:38:12 ‹greengrunt› Sigh... I wish you guys would do a Runelords sourcebook
09/09/2008 21:38:17 ‹James Jacobs› Each runelord has their own different variation and solution to the "How to step out of time and hide" problem.
09/09/2008 21:38:19 ‹Adam› yoda, where to?
09/09/2008 21:38:22 ‹Absinth› Hey Tim! Your dungeon was fun!
09/09/2008 21:38:29 ‹yoda› Los Angeles
09/09/2008 21:38:30 ‹James Jacobs› Which is what their think tanks in Runeforge were responsible for.
09/09/2008 21:38:35 ‹Russ› Did any of them just flat-out time travel?
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09/09/2008 21:38:44 ‹Adam› Ahh...but you'll be closer.
09/09/2008 21:38:47 ‹Timitius› rsvping costs nothing. Your prepayment to HOLD the RSVP, does. And yes, if you go through paypal, I can refund.
09/09/2008 21:38:55 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm. Back.
09/09/2008 21:39:04 ‹Timitius› Absinth, my dungeon was BRUTAL!
09/09/2008 21:39:07 ‹Russ› Oh, when do you need payment by, Timitius?
09/09/2008 21:39:16 ‹Timitius› i've died every time.
09/09/2008 21:39:16 ‹greengrunt› Do you think that other Runelords would battle for the Forge should they awaken as well??
09/09/2008 21:39:19 ‹James Jacobs› None of the runelords time traveled... But Karzoug was close. He used the Cyphergate to peer through time, to use it as a window, and I suspect he saw the coming of Earthfall through it. He also has some creepy time travel stuff going on in his tower in PF 6.
09/09/2008 21:39:43 ‹greengrunt› (need to look at that module again)
09/09/2008 21:39:54 ‹Timitius› Russ, Prepayments are whenever. We WILL have a prize for prepaying. Lilith mini.
09/09/2008 21:40:01 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> The runeforge was set up so that the Runelords can't control it, though, so they'd not mess with it.
09/09/2008 21:40:19 ‹greengrunt› Ahhh..Ok
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09/09/2008 21:41:07 ‹greengrunt› Wow.. A DM could make an interesting campaign if the pcs failed and Karzoug lives
09/09/2008 21:41:18 ‹Timitius› i'll get testy about paizocon money the closer we get to it.
09/09/2008 21:41:39 ‹greengrunt› JJ> That could be your next Red Hand of Doom for Pathfinder!!
09/09/2008 21:41:42 ‹Rambling Scribe› I wish I could go to Paizo Con
09/09/2008 21:41:47 ‹Russ› James - I'm finally into your mod in Age of Worms, and the party is having a great time. They were totally creeped out by the lillend. None of them has figured out they just triggered the penultimate prophecy, either.
09/09/2008 21:41:56 ‹James Jacobs› Yay!
09/09/2008 21:42:04 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah, that lillend was a fun character to design.
09/09/2008 21:42:08 ‹Eyebite› penultimate or ultima....ah...nevermind
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09/09/2008 21:42:25 ‹Adam› Bowls and balls.
09/09/2008 21:42:27 ‹just some guy› Runelords always strike me as wizards on that "Jackass" show. If it's irresponsible and a bad idea- they don't hesitate. It's only their power and talent that lets them get away with it (and the thousands of others that die instead of them as a result)
09/09/2008 21:42:29 ‹Russ› Eyebite - there's still one more, delivering a city to the pit
09/09/2008 21:42:30 ‹Timitius› Rambling Scribe, I wish you could too!
09/09/2008 21:42:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› Look, you've got a bowl full of balls...
09/09/2008 21:42:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› Adam beat me by a mile.
09/09/2008 21:42:50 ‹Russ› Or I guess a champion of the pit delivering a city to evil or something
09/09/2008 21:42:52 ‹greengrunt› Interesting take on that JSG!
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09/09/2008 21:43:16 ‹Russ› The bloodbath stasis in Crimson Throne is tres creepy.
09/09/2008 21:43:38 ‹James Jacobs› Yup; Sorshen's solution is indeed one of the more grisly ones.
21:44:12 ‹just some guy› That chapter on Ancient Thassalonia always gave me that impression greengrunt. That they'll try anything so long as they don't pay the price
09/09/2008 21:44:13 ‹Eyebite› Who is going to paizocon?
09/09/2008 21:44:20 ‹James Jacobs› SO! Of the various ways Paizo has published Campaign Overviews... What one is the best?
09/09/2008 21:44:22 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: How exactly is Kazavon supposed to be 'resurrected' at the end of Ap #12 id Ileosa escapes taking the crown with her; it says if she flees to Cheliax that makes the pool unstable?
09/09/2008 21:44:31 ‹greengrunt› Sigh... I can't get my pcs interested in Pathfinder even though I bought them player's guides for RORL and Crimson Throne.. But my gaming group is in decline
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09/09/2008 21:44:49 ‹Russ› The one in Age of Worms Overload is my favorite
09/09/2008 21:44:58 ‹Sothal@work› Hello
09/09/2008 21:45:06 ‹greengrunt› Hello Sothal
09/09/2008 21:45:14 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> If Ileosa escapes with the crown, Kazavon doesn't resurrect, If I Remember Correctly. OR: If it DOES work, it just manifests a temporary dragon that dies after a few rounds.
09/09/2008 21:45:14 ‹Pygon› the preview for Savage Tide in Dungeon #138 was nice, then again that one was only $6, much less if you subscribed
09/09/2008 21:45:18 ‹Timitius› Eyebite, I am!
09/09/2008 21:45:31 ‹Eyebite› Shocker Tim
09/09/2008 21:45:32 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> As in, downloading it in a separate document 3 months after the campaign begins?
09/09/2008 21:45:40 ‹just some guy› anyway.. Night people!
09/09/2008 21:45:45 ‹just some guy› be well
09/09/2008 21:45:47 ‹Pygon› gnite guy
09/09/2008 21:45:50 ‹greengrunt› Night JSG!
09/09/2008 21:45:52 ‹Eyebite› Night JSG
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09/09/2008 21:45:58 ‹greengrunt› thanks for the input!
09/09/2008 21:46:01 ‹Mothman› Oh, I need to read the campaign overview for Second Darkness ... Its after the monsters, isnt it?
09/09/2008 21:46:15 ‹Russ› James - that part of it wasn't so lovely, but the depth of the resource was great.
09/09/2008 21:46:16 ‹James Jacobs› More to the point: What's the best way to get the info out there? A few pages in the first adventure? A few pages in the last adventure for the next one? A separate document that can be downloaded?
09/09/2008 21:46:34 ‹Russ› PF #13 did it well too.
09/09/2008 21:46:38 ‹Absinth› .
09/09/2008 21:46:48 ‹Russ› I prefer it to be in the same path, if possible, for those who don't want to buy all the paths.
09/09/2008 21:46:49 ‹Charles Evans› On a t-shirt?
09/09/2008 21:46:49 ‹Pygon› a downloadable document before it's released I would guess is the most accessible way for new consumers
09/09/2008 21:46:53 ‹James Jacobs› PF13 is my current favorite model. Two pages at the end of the first adventure.
09/09/2008 21:47:04 ‹greengrunt› Separate document to be downloaded? That way more space is freed up for you guys to do more magic in Pathfinder??
09/09/2008 21:47:06 ‹Sothal@work› JJ: seperate document would be nice
09/09/2008 21:47:06 ‹Russ› Yep. That was good. Better than putting it in PF #6.
09/09/2008 21:47:12 ‹Timitius› What Pygon said.
09/09/2008 21:47:17 ‹Absinth› Hey Sothal!
09/09/2008 21:47:26 ‹James Jacobs› But if we put it in a separate document... Folk who can't access the internet miss out.
09/09/2008 21:47:27 ‹Russ› It's also a bit counter-intuitive to have to hit by Runelords box for Crimson Throne information
09/09/2008 21:47:29 ‹Sothal@work› Hey Absinth
09/09/2008 21:47:38 ‹Mothman› Not that i've read it yet, but I like how you've doen it for SD - in hte back of the first book of the AP. But I suppose that sucks for people who are not yet sure if they want tio run the AP - they need to buythe first one to get the overview
09/09/2008 21:47:41 ‹Charles Evans› I'm not sure why you need to summarise the first adventure twice.
09/09/2008 21:47:44 ‹Pygon› James - then also at the end of the first one?
09/09/2008 21:48:06 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; the Crimson Throne preview was not the best method. We were SUPER SCARED that everyone was going to abandon their subscriptions after #6 though, and had to do something in there to coax folk into keeping at it.
09/09/2008 21:48:07 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Good point
09/09/2008 21:48:12 ‹Charles Evans› Once at the start of the adventure, and once at the end of the book.
09/09/2008 21:48:31 ‹Zootcat› Timitius, sorry about the RSVP, I will get on it!
09/09/2008 21:48:34 ‹James Jacobs› We've always got our adventure summaries on the web page for folk who just want to peek before they buy.
09/09/2008 21:48:51 ‹Russ› How about in the first adventure, AND downloadable as a brief PDF?
09/09/2008 21:49:12 ‹yoda› James Jacobs, cotct, but in the same issue
09/09/2008 21:49:17 ‹James Jacobs› That's a good option... Although we don't really have a website that's intuitive enough as to where that PDF could be found.
09/09/2008 21:49:27 ‹Charles Evans›
09/09/2008 21:49:28 ‹Absinth› James, I'd prefer the PF 13 approach to campaign overviews too.
09/09/2008 21:49:29 ‹James Jacobs› But that's a different problem.
09/09/2008 21:49:31 ‹Timitius› Zootcat, no worries...I was just funning you. Most everyone from the first one has rsvped again. I just thought you didn't love us anymore.....
09/09/2008 21:49:45 ‹Pygon› how about putting a link to the summary on the same page as the ad for the first adventure?
09/09/2008 21:49:50 ‹yoda› PF 13 was shorter by half than cotct
09/09/2008 21:49:51 ‹Zootcat› I do! I do!
09/09/2008 21:50:01 ‹Timitius›
09/09/2008 21:50:14 ‹greengrunt› You could mail in a separate document (ie paper) to subscribers with the summary... For those who don't have Internet access??
09/09/2008 21:50:16 ‹James Jacobs› That's another good question... Is 2 pages not enough? Is four pages too much?
09/09/2008 21:50:47 ‹Russ› Hmm. 2 pages seems about right. It avoids the glaze factor.
09/09/2008 21:50:47 ‹greengrunt› 2 pages.. You need to whet the appetite just enough
09/09/2008 21:50:49 ‹Pygon› the summary in PF13 suitably piqued my interest and overwhelmed my sense of plot
09/09/2008 21:50:49 ‹Timitius› A two-page summary should be enough to tease people.
09/09/2008 21:50:59 ‹Eyebite› I like the 2 pages...it gives you a taste and makes you want more, and doesn't spoil anything
09/09/2008 21:51:00 * Blazej joins Main
09/09/2008 21:51:22 ‹yoda› For a campaign I'm running, the more info the earlier the better
09/09/2008 21:51:25 ‹James Jacobs› My gut tells me that PF13's method is the best; 2 pages at the start. That should be enough to let folk know what's comging up and what they can foreshadow.
09/09/2008 21:51:39 ‹yoda› but 2 pages seems fine as a teaser jsut to get an idea
09/09/2008 21:51:39 ‹Pygon› info good.
09/09/2008 21:51:43 * Deussu joins Main
09/09/2008 21:51:46 ‹Mothman› I think 2 pages is good.
09/09/2008 21:51:54 ‹greengrunt› Hey Deussu
09/09/2008 21:51:55 ‹Charles Evans› 2 pages, maybe with artwork of some of the npcs....
09/09/2008 21:51:59 ‹Deussu› Yo
09/09/2008 21:52:07 ‹Timitius› And you should also post it for free download on the site, and then you can advertise simply to "check it out".
21:52:17 ‹Timitius› Sans real detail, of course.
09/09/2008 21:52:29 ‹yoda› Timitius, players might just download it to spoil themselves
09/09/2008 21:52:31 ‹greengrunt› Well... Go with the gut I guess JJ
09/09/2008 21:52:31 ‹Charles Evans› Good pictures of characters coming up tease, and you want to find out more about them.
09/09/2008 21:52:38 ‹Absinth› I found two pages just right. It gave me enough info to get a picture of what's about to come and still left space for surprises. On the other hand, the infos might not be enough for dms that like to foreshadow certain events in detail.
09/09/2008 21:52:40 ‹yoda› if it's in a book they have to buy they might be less likely to do so
09/09/2008 21:53:00 ‹Pygon› right. IT's great for subsbribers but not for new consumers
09/09/2008 21:53:11 ‹yoda› Is the goal to have them as marketing for potential buyers of future books, or as campaign guides for gms?
09/09/2008 21:53:11 ‹Pygon› *sc
09/09/2008 21:53:32 ‹Russ› Downloadable with some artwork sounds like a good teaser to bring people in
09/09/2008 21:53:34 ‹James Jacobs› The goal is to give gms something as a campaign guide so they can know where things are heading.
09/09/2008 21:53:42 ‹Timitius› What yoda and Pygon are saying. Hence, post a 2-pager for quick download for new consumers, or those on the fence.
09/09/2008 21:53:53 ‹Russ› Just be like wotc, and assure your "fans" that all is well
09/09/2008 21:53:55 ‹greengrunt› Hmm... Maybe provide the 2 pagers as actual paper copies for retailers and hobby stores to display??
09/09/2008 21:53:58 ‹Charles Evans› Your individual modules are lead-ins for first time buyers.
09/09/2008 21:54:09 ‹James Jacobs› We generally don't have much artwork to show, though... In fact, for Crimson Throne and Second Darkness... What we showed was pretty much ALL we had at the time the book went to print.
09/09/2008 21:54:23 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, with THAT goal, then....put it in the front. It's essentially an executive summary.
09/09/2008 21:54:25 ‹yoda› Charles Evans, not necessarily. They vary too much in style and tone
09/09/2008 21:54:32 ‹Deussu› Are we talking about art now?
09/09/2008 21:54:39 ‹James Jacobs› We could!
09/09/2008 21:55:01 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda: The DM might by a module out to try the Paizo product.
09/09/2008 21:55:08 ‹yoda› The preview page at the end of each issue seems adequate for marketing the next book, but for a DM overview I think 2-4 pages at the start of the first book si the way to go
09/09/2008 21:55:18 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, have you seen Lilith's latest Fan Service?
09/09/2008 21:55:20 ‹Charles Evans› Maybe an insert of quarter page ad in that might interest them in the AP.
09/09/2008 21:55:21 ‹James Jacobs› ALSO: For a Pathfinder RPG monster book: what monster would you put in if you were making the choices?
09/09/2008 21:55:29 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> The Ameiko one?
09/09/2008 21:55:54 * Urza quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 21:55:56 ‹Russ› Aboleths would be my #1 choice, followed by intellect devourers - but only if they get heavily revised
09/09/2008 21:55:57 ‹yoda› James Jacobs, out of all the choices, that's tough
09/09/2008 21:56:02 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: What can we pick from?
09/09/2008 21:56:06 ‹greengrunt› Shit... Well anything you can get away with from 3.5 that won't be butchered by 4E
09/09/2008 21:56:13 ‹Deussu› Ettins! Whoo!
09/09/2008 21:56:14 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, yes, and I guess you have.
09/09/2008 21:56:16 ‹Eyebite› JJ>Trolls
09/09/2008 21:56:17 ‹Deussu› Ettins get no love.
09/09/2008 21:56:30 ‹James Jacobs› "All the monsters in the Monster Manual" is a valid answer. As is "All the monsters in the MM but the tojinada and the yrthak."
09/09/2008 21:56:41 ‹greengrunt› LOL
09/09/2008 21:56:45 ‹Eyebite› and the Krenshar...and the shocker lizard
09/09/2008 21:56:49 ‹James Jacobs› You can pick from the SRD or any open D20 source.
09/09/2008 21:56:52 ‹Zootcat› Attic Whisperer!
09/09/2008 21:56:55 ‹Pygon› yrthak's aren't bad if you have silence.
09/09/2008 21:56:57 ‹Russ› All the monsters in the MM that were also in the original MM
09/09/2008 21:56:57 ‹Deussu› JJ: You forgot Arrowhawk. That monster looks and is stupid
09/09/2008 21:57:02 ‹Timitius› Otuyghs! (spelling?)
09/09/2008 21:57:03 ‹Absinth› You mean Golarion monsters?
09/09/2008 21:57:08 ‹greengrunt› Hmm,.... Damn I need to look at the SRD
09/09/2008 21:57:14 ‹James Jacobs› I mean ANY monster.
09/09/2008 21:57:18 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, Jack-in-Irons Giant from toh 3! They totally rock!!!!
09/09/2008 21:57:20 ‹Blazej› All monsters.
09/09/2008 21:57:28 ‹Eyebite› Krenshar.....I want the name of person who invented that
09/09/2008 21:57:32 ‹Blazej› Every monster that is and that will be.
09/09/2008 21:57:35 ‹Eyebite› *of the
09/09/2008 21:57:36 ‹Russ› Krenshar are cool.
09/09/2008 21:57:38 ‹Deussu› Timitius: Otyugh. I remember the "ugh" ending
09/09/2008 21:57:41 ‹Charles Evans› Ooze Imperium!
09/09/2008 21:57:47 ‹Pygon› Blazej wants THE definitive OGL monster source.
09/09/2008 21:57:48 ‹Eyebite› No
09/09/2008 21:57:51 ‹Charles Evans› Hound of Tindalos.
09/09/2008 21:57:52 ‹Russ› CE - aw, no darkblight?
09/09/2008 21:57:54 ‹James Jacobs› We're trying to figure out how to get as many monsters in that book as we can while still being able to afford to buy art for them all AND to print it in about the same time we're printing the PF RPG. IF we were planning on doing such a book, of course.
09/09/2008 21:58:01 ‹Absinth› A bunyip with art please! I still can't imagine how these critters look like...
09/09/2008 21:58:01 ‹Sothal@work› LOL: http://paizo.com/image/product...00.jpeg
09/09/2008 21:58:11 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: I thought they would be in anyway, being in Nirmathas??
09/09/2008 21:58:14 ‹Russ› Any monsters that I can help revise
09/09/2008 21:58:14 ‹Blazej› Pygon, I want to be able to kill people with this book.
09/09/2008 21:58:14 ‹Timitius› flumphs!
09/09/2008 21:58:26 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Would you still want the Jack-in-Irons, say, if we had to cut an old standby like the roper or the frost giant?
09/09/2008 21:58:30 ‹Pygon› Blazej - the book itself... Not what's inside?
09/09/2008 21:58:30 * Timitius dodges thrown objects....
09/09/2008 21:58:31 ‹greengrunt› Sigh.. I wish you guys could do the Death Giants
09/09/2008 21:58:36 ‹yoda› would you not be able to pfize the MM with additions?
09/09/2008 21:58:37 ‹Deussu› JJ: You are after a 600-page PFRPG book? Are you trying to fight against Dark Heresy?
09/09/2008 21:58:42 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth>We put a bunyip illo in Pathfinder 13.
09/09/2008 21:58:42 ‹Charles Evans› Tanar'ri, inc. Alu-fiend if Clark will let you.
09/09/2008 21:58:46 ‹Eyebite› After Box of Flumph....flumphs became badass
09/09/2008 21:58:47 ‹Hill Giant› Find a way to work every MM monster into a module between now and wehn you print the new MM, then recycle the art?
09/09/2008 21:58:55 ‹greengrunt› Or do something along the lines of the Death Giant template
09/09/2008 21:58:58 ‹Russ› Greengrunt - rune giants are kind of a cooler death giant anyhow
09/09/2008 21:58:59 ‹Charles Evans› Oh, flumphs, certainly.
09/09/2008 21:59:03 ‹Justin Sluder› Roper, bye-bye, Frost Giant can hang around
09/09/2008 21:59:03 ‹James Jacobs› We don't know how big the book will be yet... But I suspecty it'll be between 256 and 400 pages.
09/09/2008 21:59:09 ‹Pygon› snail flail!!!
09/09/2008 21:59:14 ‹Pygon› er other way.
09/09/2008 21:59:15 ‹greengrunt› Aye they're cool
09/09/2008 21:59:18 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The whole toh is open. We can use any of that stuff.
09/09/2008 21:59:18 ‹Russ› Dire corbies!
09/09/2008 21:59:18 ‹Absinth› Is it the thing that rips the arm off this guy in the riddleport harbour piece?
09/09/2008 21:59:19 ‹Timitius› Giant slug.
09/09/2008 21:59:20 ‹James Jacobs› And we will.
09/09/2008 21:59:27 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yup
09/09/2008 21:59:31 ‹Eyebite› Darkmantles are one of my favorites
09/09/2008 21:59:37 ‹Deussu› JJ: Also be sure not to let any "This Andoran has a small head" type of art get into production. The Andoran "small headness" is a common topic to ridicule in local PFS games.
09/09/2008 21:59:40 ‹greengrunt› But having some dead souls form a freaky mist around you as you stomp around is a hella coola idea
09/09/2008 21:59:45 ‹Blazej› Pygon, Mamma Graul could kill...
09/09/2008 21:59:46 ‹Russ› all of the core demons and devils.
09/09/2008 21:59:50 ‹Charles Evans› It annoyed me no end that alu-fiends weren't in the official wotc MM in 3.5
09/09/2008 21:59:59 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> We'll certainly be recycling art, but best-case scenario we'll still need a few hundred new pieces.
09/09/2008 22:00:01 ‹Timitius› Just re-do the gnolls. They need some love too
09/09/2008 22:00:06 ‹Charles Evans› That they left them out.
09/09/2008 22:00:21 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> They didn't. They're "Half-Fiends."
09/09/2008 22:00:33 ‹James Jacobs› Although that's kind of lazy.
09/09/2008 22:00:40 ‹yoda› I think a nice big template section would be cool too
09/09/2008 22:00:42 ‹Russ› I would like to see better versions of half-dragons and half-fiends.
09/09/2008 22:00:49 ‹Timitius› Venger was a "half-fiend"
09/09/2008 22:00:50 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, how about doing two books broken up by CR?
09/09/2008 22:00:55 ‹Russ› The existing templates could be kept, but they need more options to make them not suck.
09/09/2008 22:01:01 ‹Charles Evans› Half fiends do not get hp back by dealing damage in the good old 2nd edition planescape manner.
09/09/2008 22:01:02 ‹Russ› and fiendish/celestial templates are just lame.
09/09/2008 22:01:08 ‹yoda› Timitius, is that why he had only one horn?
09/09/2008 22:01:27 ‹Absinth› Please leave this giant, three-legged budgie out of your MM. It still gives me nightmares...
09/09/2008 22:01:32 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> One would have to come out before the other. Also... We want to minimize the number of "core" monster books, so that we can use short stat blocks and reference b ooks in modules without forcing gms to buy EVERY monster book.
09/09/2008 22:01:37 ‹Timitius› No, actually, it was because the art director didn't want to be cliche.
09/09/2008 22:01:48 ‹Mothman› James, I would say that almost all of the MM SRD monsters need to go in the prime monster book ... But yeah, maybe leave out some of the more stupid or never used ones. Then fill the gaps with as many cool new Paizo monsters or old open source classics as you can
09/09/2008 22:02:03 ‹Pygon› I sense a huge freakin' poll being posted
09/09/2008 22:02:11 ‹Timitius› That tidbit was on the extras DVD in the boxed set.
09/09/2008 22:02:22 ‹Charles Evans› We need something which kills magic items stone dead, from a DM point of view.
09/09/2008 22:02:32 ‹Adam› Well, guys, i've got to get up early tomorrow and this stupid hotel bed isn't gonna let me sleep well as it is.
09/09/2008 22:02:38 ‹Russ› Ugh. No. Equipment destruction is lame.
09/09/2008 22:02:42 ‹James Jacobs› My current plan: 95% of the MM monsters, a few dozen Tome of Horror monsters, and a tiny handful of the mythologically inspired Pathfinder monsters.
22:02:49 ‹Absinth› Night, Adam!
09/09/2008 22:02:50 ‹Timitius› Oh, we need a revamp of the rust monster.
09/09/2008 22:02:50 ‹Adam› y'all have a kick ass night and i'll see ya later!
09/09/2008 22:02:54 ‹Eyebite› Night Daigle!
09/09/2008 22:02:57 ‹greengrunt› Sounds good JJ
09/09/2008 22:02:59 ‹Russ› And a few highlights from RPG Superstar!
09/09/2008 22:03:02 ‹Mothman› James: that sounds about right...
09/09/2008 22:03:02 ‹greengrunt› Night Daigler
09/09/2008 22:03:06 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight daigle.
09/09/2008 22:03:10 ‹Pygon› bye Adam
09/09/2008 22:03:11 ‹James Jacobs› Agreed: Item desctruction monsters are lame and Not Fun.
09/09/2008 22:03:16 ‹Timitius› Night Daigle. Wait you'll still be...here....???
09/09/2008 22:03:25 ‹Blazej› Night Daigle.
09/09/2008 22:03:41 ‹Charles Evans› Item destruction creatures are sometimes necessary for dms at their wits end.
09/09/2008 22:03:46 * Paizophile joins Main
09/09/2008 22:03:51 ‹Charles Evans› How about the rust dragon as a compromise?
09/09/2008 22:03:51 ‹greengrunt› Agreed CE
09/09/2008 22:03:59 ‹greengrunt› Hey Paizophile
09/09/2008 22:04:06 ‹Justin Sluder› greetings Paizophile
09/09/2008 22:04:12 ‹Zootcat› Migrus Locker
09/09/2008 22:04:13 ‹Timitius› Nothing wrong with a rust monster....if you are decked out in magic items.
09/09/2008 22:04:15 ‹Charles Evans› Or something similar to that?
09/09/2008 22:04:19 ‹Paizophile› Don't let me interrupt.
09/09/2008 22:04:23 ‹greengrunt›
09/09/2008 22:04:25 ‹James Jacobs› We'll have rust monsters and bebeliths and black puddings, but we aren't going to go out of our way to include the disenchanter, for example.
09/09/2008 22:04:28 * Adam quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 22:05:17 ‹Paizophile› Afk. Just letting this scroll, so I can read it later.
09/09/2008 22:05:34 ‹Absinth› A poll would be a great idea! You could list the SRD monsters and let users choose which five monsters NOT to include.
09/09/2008 22:05:50 ‹James Jacobs› Wow.
09/09/2008 22:05:52 ‹Pygon› don't forget to correct the Iron Golem, its BAB should be +13!!
09/09/2008 22:05:54 ‹Timitius› gnomes.
09/09/2008 22:05:59 * Paizophile changes his/her nickname to Taliesin Hoyle
09/09/2008 22:05:59 ‹James Jacobs› That poll would be about 400 entries long.
09/09/2008 22:06:01 ‹Timitius› Oh, wait. Wrong version.
09/09/2008 22:06:02 ‹Russ› Pygon - I just ran into that bug last night
09/09/2008 22:06:04 ‹greengrunt› Well... It's 1AM eastern time folks... Must get some Z's .. Thank you JJ... And fellow chatters... As always... It is an honor! Have a great week folks!
09/09/2008 22:06:13 ‹greengrunt›
09/09/2008 22:06:14 ‹Eyebite› Night grunt
09/09/2008 22:06:15 ‹Pygon› Russ - that's when I realized it
09/09/2008 22:06:19 * greengrunt quit
09/09/2008 22:06:22 ‹Absinth› Or use a thread or whatever...
09/09/2008 22:06:39 ‹Absinth› Take care, greengrunt!
09/09/2008 22:06:41 ‹James Jacobs› Also high on my list: Rebuild the roper as an aberration, and the derro as a humanoid.
09/09/2008 22:06:44 ‹Russ› Are there any chaos creatures you can use to replace the slaad? Not lame ones like the chaos beast
09/09/2008 22:06:46 ‹Absinth› ...
09/09/2008 22:06:50 ‹Blazej› What about the various creature sub-races then. Would they be included as well?
09/09/2008 22:06:54 ‹James Jacobs› Also: two dozen pages on dinosaurs.
09/09/2008 22:07:00 * Russ has lots of intellect devourer ideas
09/09/2008 22:07:14 ‹Zootcat› include vegepygmy
09/09/2008 22:07:18 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Drow and duergar and svirfneblin would all have their own entries. Wild elves would not.
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09/09/2008 22:07:21 ‹Absinth› The daemons should be in there
09/09/2008 22:07:27 ‹James Jacobs› Agreed
09/09/2008 22:07:33 ‹Pygon› yay daemons
09/09/2008 22:07:36 ‹James Jacobs› i'll be fighting tooth and nail to get some daemons in there.
09/09/2008 22:07:36 ‹Charles Evans› Anklyosaurus in the dinosaur section.. I had a jigsaw puzzle with one of them and a t-rex when I was young.
09/09/2008 22:07:38 ‹James Jacobs› Tooth.
09/09/2008 22:07:39 ‹James Jacobs› And.
09/09/2008 22:07:41 ‹James Jacobs› Nail.
09/09/2008 22:08:01 ‹Zootcat› James sounds likes he means it
09/09/2008 22:08:13 ‹Timitius› And a little lovecraftian love as well?
09/09/2008 22:08:21 ‹Pygon› Starpanda fishbear?
09/09/2008 22:08:24 ‹Charles Evans› I already requested hound of tindalos.
09/09/2008 22:08:26 ‹James Jacobs› Probably no official Lovecraft translations.
09/09/2008 22:08:33 ‹James Jacobs› They'd be in a later book or something.
09/09/2008 22:08:35 ‹Absinth› Yes, better not mess with him when it comes to daemons...
09/09/2008 22:08:38 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 22:08:46 * It Is Not Late... Yet joins Main
09/09/2008 22:08:50 ‹Charles Evans› You need some represet
09/09/2008 22:08:52 ‹Blazej› Are the sample templated creatures in the SRD?
09/09/2008 22:09:00 ‹Russ› If you use the tarrasque, please fix it so you can actually KILL it
09/09/2008 22:09:01 ‹Justin Sluder› Yasha?
09/09/2008 22:09:02 ‹James Jacobs› They are, I believe.
09/09/2008 22:09:03 ‹It Is Not Late... Yet› good morning from germany
09/09/2008 22:09:05 ‹Charles Evans› represnetaive of the lovecraft canon.. Denizen of Leng, maybe?
09/09/2008 22:09:08 ‹Russ› (currently, you can't meet the conditions for killing it)
09/09/2008 22:09:14 ‹Justin Sluder› ah, olli?
09/09/2008 22:09:23 ‹Absinth› Hey Olli...
09/09/2008 22:09:25 ‹James Jacobs› Is that a bad thing? Not being able to kill it?
09/09/2008 22:09:32 ‹James Jacobs› I think that might be a GOOD thing.
09/09/2008 22:09:33 ‹Charles Evans› Olli or Stegger?
09/09/2008 22:09:37 ‹It Is Not Late... Yet› Olli
09/09/2008 22:09:45 ‹Charles Evans›
09/09/2008 22:09:54 ‹It Is Not Late... Yet› just a gag for the rambling scribe
09/09/2008 22:10:04 * Justin Sluder doesn't know why he thought it might've been Yasha
09/09/2008 22:10:07 ‹James Jacobs› Looks like the sample templated creatures are not in the SRD.
09/09/2008 22:10:18 * It Is Not Late... Yet changes his/her nickname to ollibolli
09/09/2008 22:10:46 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: If you can kill a runelord; I'm not sure why you shouldn't be able to kill a tarrasque, or at least hurt it so badly it doesn't bother anyone for the next couple of hundred thousand years.
09/09/2008 22:11:01 ‹James Jacobs› Runelords aren't icons of the game. Yet.
09/09/2008 22:11:02 ‹Charles Evans› Until some twit digs it up and heals it.
09/09/2008 22:11:09 ‹Absinth› I'd like to see boggards in the book too. I'd prefer creatures that could be used in multiple ways over those, that fill a certain and limited role.
09/09/2008 22:11:16 ‹James Jacobs› Also, I'm mostly kidding about the tarrasque not being able to be killed.
09/09/2008 22:11:17 ‹Russ› James - well ,then drop the text, cause you can't reduce a tarrasque to -30 (it only takes non-lethal damage)
09/09/2008 22:11:17 ‹Pygon› or at least two years when the next party of adventures hits 20th
09/09/2008 22:11:27 ‹Blazej› Mostly.
09/09/2008 22:11:31 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, have you been keeping up with this thread? Http://paizo.com/paizo/message...inderpc
09/09/2008 22:11:40 ‹Eyebite› JJ> will any of the ecologies printed in KQ be taken into consideration when this Paizo MM is being put together?
09/09/2008 22:11:47 ‹Timitius› Why put it in anything if there is no way to kill it? Why list stats if it is not intended for combat?
09/09/2008 22:11:56 ‹Justin Sluder› Hugo drew this little piece of awesome for me: http://butterfrog.deviantart.c...7336177
09/09/2008 22:11:57 * Laz joins Main
09/09/2008 22:11:59 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yeah; that's probably an error left over from the difference between how the rules for regeneration worked in 3.0 versus 3.5.
09/09/2008 22:12:03 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Laz
09/09/2008 22:12:26 ‹Laz› Hey Justin
22:12:34 ‹Charles Evans› denizen of Leng, if you're saving the rest of the Lovecraft for later.
09/09/2008 22:12:35 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> I have seent he thread, but Haven't been watching it mcuh.
09/09/2008 22:12:47 ‹Timitius› Justin Sluder, good god! That's awesome!
09/09/2008 22:12:58 ‹Pygon› yeah, he's real talented
09/09/2008 22:13:10 ‹Justin Sluder› Hugo is totally awesome!
09/09/2008 22:13:10 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> The Paizo MM won't have much room for flavor. I suspect that you'll be able to use the KQ ecologies (or the Dragon ones for that matter) with ease.
09/09/2008 22:13:36 ‹Eyebite› Ah I got ya. I didn't know how much flavor text you envisioned going into the MM
09/09/2008 22:13:45 ‹Charles Evans› No flavour? #
09/09/2008 22:13:53 ‹Timitius› i've been thinking about having someone draw up my dark ihn rogue in a homebrew I'm playing in.
09/09/2008 22:13:55 ‹Russ› At least as much flavor as the 3.5E MM, I hope?
09/09/2008 22:14:01 ‹Russ› That's pretty flavor-light as is
09/09/2008 22:14:34 ‹James Jacobs› It's unclear how much flavor we'll be able to fit in there. The 3.5 MM is the goal in terms of flavor, but at the same time we don't want to only have 150 monsters in the book.
09/09/2008 22:15:06 ‹James Jacobs› Would folk mind if, for example, we cut the "Tactics" section of the stat block if that meant we could put in more flavor?
09/09/2008 22:15:08 ‹Charles Evans› Web supplement (or official Yoda wiki?)
09/09/2008 22:15:09 ‹Absinth› What is the max on pages possible?
09/09/2008 22:15:41 ‹Pygon› hmm, I'd like to see tactics on some o fthe more significant creatures that have many abilities
09/09/2008 22:15:48 ‹Eyebite› I wouldn't mind, especially if the monster has a favorite/devious tactic it uses, this could be described briefly in the flavor
09/09/2008 22:15:52 ‹Deussu› JJ: If you want more monsters, you better give some simple ways to construct your own monsters.
09/09/2008 22:15:56 ‹Russ› I would prefer flavor to tactics.
09/09/2008 22:16:06 ‹Absinth› Same here
09/09/2008 22:16:10 ‹Charles Evans› with some creatures the tactics amounts to 'try and eat things'
09/09/2008 22:16:11 ‹Deussu› I prefer both.
09/09/2008 22:16:17 ‹Russ› I would like a denser stat block. I know it hurts readability, but you can get in more text.
09/09/2008 22:16:19 ‹yoda› Charles Evans, my wiki's not official
09/09/2008 22:16:22 ‹Charles Evans› I don't know what new dms need.
09/09/2008 22:16:26 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I don't know what the max page count is yet.
09/09/2008 22:16:30 ‹Russ› I guess the Paizo standard one is pretty good for that, tho
09/09/2008 22:16:30 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, You could at least cut the tactics section for monsters without much strategy. (Do you really need a line to say, it's hits things?)
09/09/2008 22:16:35 * Skeld quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 22:16:38 ‹Charles Evans› yoda: until the license comes out...
09/09/2008 22:16:46 ‹Charles Evans› (Maybe)
09/09/2008 22:17:07 ‹Absinth› How many pages does the CS have? 400-something?
09/09/2008 22:17:08 ‹yoda› even then, it is just meant to be a references for the multiple sources all in one place
09/09/2008 22:17:09 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect we can compress the stat block a bit too, and use a tighter font and all that.
09/09/2008 22:17:18 ‹James Jacobs› The Campaign Setting has 256 pages.
09/09/2008 22:17:27 ‹James Jacobs› The Beta currently has 408.
09/09/2008 22:17:45 ‹Deussu› ..and that doesn't include the web enhancement?
09/09/2008 22:17:47 ‹Absinth› Ah, okay...
09/09/2008 22:17:59 ‹Hill Giant› Are any of the MM apendices open content?
09/09/2008 22:18:03 ‹James Jacobs› The MAIN thign I want to avoid, though, is a monster book that excludes monsters that have always been in the core monster book.
09/09/2008 22:18:20 ‹Charles Evans› Excluding IP?
09/09/2008 22:18:23 ‹yoda› I agree
09/09/2008 22:18:28 ‹James Jacobs› Excluding IP of course.
09/09/2008 22:18:32 * Russ agrees, that was something badly wrong with the 2E MC and the 4E MM
09/09/2008 22:18:54 ‹Deussu› JJ: You need good replacements for those that are covered by the IP
09/09/2008 22:18:54 ‹yoda› no Aberrant Eye from Paizo then?
09/09/2008 22:19:03 ‹Deussu› I noticed even Umber Hulk is one of those
09/09/2008 22:19:07 ‹James Jacobs› Since the IP stuff we can't do anything about anyway. But we CAN reintroduce strong contenders from the Tome of Horrors. Daemons, for one.
09/09/2008 22:19:11 ‹Mothman› yes .... Except maybe some really stupid "core" monsters....
09/09/2008 22:19:12 ‹James Jacobs› No aberrant eye, nope.
09/09/2008 22:19:29 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; there are a few core monstesr in 3.5 that I could stand to see go away.
09/09/2008 22:19:38 ‹Pygon› Toad.
09/09/2008 22:19:39 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, like?
09/09/2008 22:19:44 ‹James Jacobs› Tojinida, for one. Digester and Delver for another two.
09/09/2008 22:19:49 ‹Blazej› The animals are pretty stupid. Their Int scores are less than 3.
09/09/2008 22:19:55 ‹Russ› Destrachans. Ugh.
09/09/2008 22:19:59 ‹James Jacobs› Animals have to be in the book.
09/09/2008 22:20:02 ‹James Jacobs› Destrachans do not.
09/09/2008 22:20:15 ‹yoda› I'm ok with playing in a world that has no Beholders or Illithids or Umber Hulks
09/09/2008 22:20:24 ‹Justin Sluder› I actually like Digesters and Destrachans.
09/09/2008 22:20:25 ‹Russ› I'd like to see the return of the neo-otyugh
09/09/2008 22:20:26 ‹James Jacobs› Good! Cause that's the world we're publishing!
09/09/2008 22:20:30 ‹yoda› as long as the world works, I can completely run with it
09/09/2008 22:20:41 ‹Blazej› Animals have to be in the book.
09/09/2008 22:20:45 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The Matrix hasn't spoiled the word "Neo" for you then?
09/09/2008 22:20:57 ‹Russ› No.
09/09/2008 22:21:04 ‹Zootcat› I don't like beholders, anyway
09/09/2008 22:21:08 ‹yoda› I find that the IP monsters are more iconic than practical in most adventures
09/09/2008 22:21:08 ‹Hill Giant› Would you replace the tojanida, et alia, with something for the sake of summoners?
09/09/2008 22:21:20 ‹Russ› Smarter, smaller, tougher otyughs. Whee
09/09/2008 22:21:26 ‹James Jacobs› And anyway... With the monster advancement rules, there's not really need for a neo-otyugh anyway. Although I did like how the original 3.0 MM used it as an advancement example.
09/09/2008 22:21:32 ‹Charles Evans› Linnorms
09/09/2008 22:21:36 * Timitius quit (timeout)
22:21:46 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> Not sure. Nerieds maybe.
09/09/2008 22:21:51 ‹Russ› Hmm. It was more than just an advanced otyugh, though. You could argue i t is an elite one, except that it is a whole sub-species.
09/09/2008 22:21:58 ‹Charles Evans› They're part of the setting given that you have to kill one to become a king in the Land of the Linnorm Kings.
09/09/2008 22:22:00 ‹Blazej› Hmm... The Neo template. This creature is stronger, faster, and overall better than it's peers. It gains a pair of sunglasses....
09/09/2008 22:22:13 ‹James Jacobs› I'd like to see salamanders and xorn go back to 1 stat block, and arrowhawks and tojinidas go away entirely.
09/09/2008 22:22:23 ‹HILL GIANT› BLAZEJ, IT KNOWS KUNG-FU
09/09/2008 22:22:33 ‹SOTHAL@WORK› BLAZEJ: AND PERMANENT HASTE
09/09/2008 22:22:37 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> True... But the Pathfinder Monster Book isn't for Golarion. It's for EVERY game.
09/09/2008 22:22:42 ‹Pygon› just don't kill it or it will get up and kick yo oss.
09/09/2008 22:22:43 ‹Blazej›
09/09/2008 22:22:57 ‹James Jacobs› And so we need to err on the side of monsters that work for as many games as possible.
09/09/2008 22:23:02 ‹James Jacobs› Linnorms are pretty compelling though.
09/09/2008 22:23:04 ‹Russ› Hmm. I dunno. I like powers that only kick in with higher HD (noble salamanders).
09/09/2008 22:23:16 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: You intend to have a 'Golarion Appendix' to the Monster Manual.
09/09/2008 22:23:20 ‹Justin Sluder› gah, I'm passing out
09/09/2008 22:23:21 ‹Charles Evans› ?
09/09/2008 22:23:23 ‹Justin Sluder› g'night all
09/09/2008 22:23:26 ‹Zootcat› Include redcaps
09/09/2008 22:23:27 ‹James Jacobs› Those extra powers are easy to fix with spot rules for specific monster advancements.
09/09/2008 22:23:28 ‹Pygon› bye Justin
09/09/2008 22:23:30 ‹Blazej› Night Justin.
09/09/2008 22:23:32 ‹Justin Sluder› James, thanks for stopping by
09/09/2008 22:23:33 ‹Eyebite› gnight Justin
09/09/2008 22:23:38 ‹yoda› I think that anything that is in the SRD should be in the book, even if it's stupid. The point is to update and continue what's there and if people are expecting those, the last thing that you want are people badmouthing Paizo for leaving out the aarowhawk
09/09/2008 22:23:40 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> What do you mean by a "Golarion Appendix"?
09/09/2008 22:23:42 ‹Russ› Redcaps are fun
09/09/2008 22:23:43 ‹Hill Giant› Gotta go. Bye, all!
09/09/2008 22:23:43 ‹Justin Sluder› awesome as always
09/09/2008 22:23:47 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Justin
09/09/2008 22:23:53 ‹yoda› later Justin and HG
09/09/2008 22:23:55 * Justin Sluder waves goodnight to all
09/09/2008 22:23:56 ‹Eyebite› Night HG
09/09/2008 22:24:02 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin the er
09/09/2008 22:24:05 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: it was a wuestion
09/09/2008 22:24:06 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The point is to continue the spirit of the game. Stuff that's stupid can be pruned.
09/09/2008 22:24:08 ‹Blazej› yoda, they could make better art for the arrowhawk....
09/09/2008 22:24:22 ‹Deussu› Also ... Mammoths!
09/09/2008 22:24:44 ‹ollibolli› The Pathfinder MM is pure RPG crunch for all settings, perhaps a WE with small writeups about the monsters in Golarion
09/09/2008 22:24:46 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 22:24:46 ‹Deussu› Ethereal Filcher is kinda stupid too.
09/09/2008 22:24:52 ‹Charles Evans› If you intend to leave some monsters out of th pathfinder Monster Manual, even though they exist in Golarion, do you publish a 'Golaron Papendix' for dms running the Golarion Setting?
09/09/2008 22:24:56 ‹Pygon› I was about to mention that one
09/09/2008 22:25:01 ‹Russ› On that note, polar worms can totally go in my book.
09/09/2008 22:25:01 ‹James Jacobs› There won't be a "golarion appendix" in the monster book, I guess. The whole book is fit for Golarion by definition, but it's not the only planet one can populate with the book.
09/09/2008 22:25:07 ‹Charles Evans› Papendix=Appendix
09/09/2008 22:25:12 ‹Eyebite› I consider the filcher another kind of "item destroyer" in a sense
09/09/2008 22:25:17 ‹Charles Evans› I mean separately.
09/09/2008 22:25:24 ‹Deussu› But really, a good guide to construct your own monsters step by step would be ideal.
09/09/2008 22:25:25 ‹James Jacobs› We'll continue to publish ecology articles in Pathfinder, and books like Classic Monsters. That's where you'll see the majority of the Golarion flavor show up.
09/09/2008 22:25:30 ‹Charles Evans› There was a whole series of them in 2nd edition AD&D.
09/09/2008 22:25:34 ‹Russ› Oh, and please skip ethereal stalkers and phantom fungus *ugh*
09/09/2008 22:25:39 ‹yoda› so there won't be anything in the book that one wouldn't find in Golarion?
09/09/2008 22:25:46 ‹Charles Evans› Speljammer, Ravenloft I, II, III.
09/09/2008 22:25:50 ‹Russ› I wouldn't mind seeing the return of two-headed snakes
09/09/2008 22:25:52 ‹Deussu› Some people read the monster throughout and thus remember a lot of the monsters. A new, unique monster is completely impossible to metaplay.
09/09/2008 22:25:56 ‹Charles Evans› Planescape I, II, III.
09/09/2008 22:26:02 ‹Eyebite› Russ - did you read the ecology of the phantom fungus in KQ? Awesome
09/09/2008 22:26:11 ‹James Jacobs› Deussu> A guide on how to build monsters WOULD be cool... But I think it'd be cooler in a "How to build the game" guidebook rather than in the monster book.
09/09/2008 22:26:12 ‹Deussu› Phantom Fungus is funny.
09/09/2008 22:26:13 ‹Russ› giant poison toads!
09/09/2008 22:26:22 ‹Deussu› True Seeing doesn't reveal it, See Invisibility does.
09/09/2008 22:26:29 ‹Charles Evans› There were basic monster manuals in 2nd edition AD &D and additional ones containing monsters for specific settings.
09/09/2008 22:26:35 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Correct. Everything in the book will be monsters that can be encoutnered on Golarion.
09/09/2008 22:26:35 ‹Charles Evans› (The appendices)
09/09/2008 22:26:47 ‹yoda› I think that leaving out the new Pathfinder bestiary monsters is a good idea...keep them in Golarion and not the MM
09/09/2008 22:26:53 ‹Blazej› Would you continue to include the player races in the MM like elves, dwarves, gnomes, when they are already in the main book?
09/09/2008 22:26:58 ‹Absinth› .
09/09/2008 22:27:04 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> So you mean an appendix that's actually an entire seperate book, and not a few pages at the end of a book?
09/09/2008 22:27:05 ‹Deussu› JJ: Oh sure, but surely this "guide to build monsters" could be implemented to existing material.
09/09/2008 22:27:15 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Yes.
09/09/2008 22:27:18 ‹Pygon› James - will you be re-evaluating CR's on some creatures, or would that impact compatibility?
09/09/2008 22:27:19 ‹Russ› Why wouldn't true seeing work? It is invisibility purge that is mentioned as not working
09/09/2008 22:27:37 ‹James Jacobs› Ah. THAT was what was confusing me. "Appendix" to me is a part of a book. Not a whole book.
09/09/2008 22:27:54 ‹Deussu› Russ: True seeing shows the "true form" of it .. And phantom fungus is naturally invisible. It is its true form
09/09/2008 22:28:12 ‹James Jacobs› IN ANY CASE: I can guarentee you that the Pathfinder Monster Book won't be the only monster book Paizo publishes. There'll ABSOLUTELY be a "Golarion Monster Manual" type book some day.
09/09/2008 22:28:17 ‹Charles Evans› Sorry; I came to the game in AD&D and think of appendices (in Monster Manual terms) as extra books.
09/09/2008 22:28:23 ‹ollibolli› Yay
09/09/2008 22:28:33 ‹Zootcat› Phantom funguss with new art and KQ's take on it would be really cool
09/09/2008 22:28:34 ‹yoda› I think that reevaluation of CR's especially with the more powerful pcs is a must and will support the game for years, because after a while people will only be using the new stuff, and why continue something that's broken (as the CR system is) just for the sake of backwards compatibility?
09/09/2008 22:28:43 ‹Deussu› JJ: Can you make a promise of no power build-up?
09/09/2008 22:28:45 ‹Charles Evans› Weird, as I don't for anything else; just for Monster Manual appendices.
09/09/2008 22:28:55 ‹Russ› Eh. I wouldn't nerf true seeing like that.
09/09/2008 22:29:01 ‹James Jacobs› pygon> Yes; some monster crs will be changing. The rakshasa and the ogre mage for one. The remorhaz will likely be powered up significantly too.
09/09/2008 22:29:11 ‹Pygon› sweet
09/09/2008 22:29:27 ‹Pygon› large fire elementals. Nasty. Too dang hard.
09/09/2008 22:29:36 ‹Eyebite› Heh
09/09/2008 22:29:37 ‹James Jacobs› But the change in power of PC isn't gonna impact much. The percieved power change isn't as vast as most folk think.
09/09/2008 22:29:55 ‹yoda› low CR creatures might need to be reevaluated too, as a balanced encounter for a lvl 1 party has changed
09/09/2008 22:29:58 ‹James Jacobs› If it results in pcs that are a little tougher and last longer, that's good, I think.
09/09/2008 22:30:21 ‹yoda› but then people aren't scared of death at low levels
09/09/2008 22:30:21 * Duicarthan joins Main
09/09/2008 22:30:23 ‹James Jacobs› Deussu> I can promise no such thing. Since I don't really know what you mean by a "no power build up" for one...
09/09/2008 22:30:28 ‹yoda› and it's nice to get that fear in them early
09/09/2008 22:30:39 ‹Charles Evans› i've been trying to argue on one of the 'wizards are better than everyone else' threads, that re-evaluation of crs might be more useful than 'making everyone as powerful as the wizard'.
09/09/2008 22:30:40 ‹Duicarthan› hey guys n gals
22:31:01 ‹Charles Evans› Those threads get to me sometimes...
09/09/2008 22:31:06 ‹ollibolli› Hello duicarthan
09/09/2008 22:31:10 ‹Absinth› hey Duicarthan
09/09/2008 22:31:12 ‹Blazej› Hello Duicarthan.
09/09/2008 22:31:23 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> You can still be scared at low levels. It helps, though, to be able to survive a single crit within 10 minutes of starting your new campaign is all.
09/09/2008 22:31:36 ‹Russ› I don't think it really matters if CR1s become a bit easier.
09/09/2008 22:31:43 ‹Duicarthan› Charles> oh you mean make them essentially so cut down and marginalized that they're essentially cookie-cutter casters
09/09/2008 22:31:47 * Duicarthan snickers
09/09/2008 22:31:48 ‹James Jacobs› Wizards are worse than everyone else if you're looking at it from a living campaign type of angle.
09/09/2008 22:31:48 ‹Deussu› JJ: Well, Monster Manuals constantly rose in "power". The monsters had lower crs than their MM1 counterpart
09/09/2008 22:31:50 ‹Charles Evans› Charops solutions to 'blah di blah di blah is set up so only a Wizard of this power can take it; the fighter needs to be twice as high level so he can afford the gear he needs' annoy me.
09/09/2008 22:31:59 ‹Absinth› I'd go as far as to claim that the lower levels are the most scary ones...
09/09/2008 22:32:04 ‹Charles Evans› Sorry Duicarthan.
09/09/2008 22:32:06 ‹James Jacobs› If you're building a wizard on the spot for a one-shot game at a higher level, then I guess they're pretty good.
09/09/2008 22:32:26 ‹Russ› My entire Age of Worms party is gross, regardless of class
09/09/2008 22:32:26 ‹Duicarthan› CE> no worries thats why I won't play 4e, Pathfinder is my game.
09/09/2008 22:32:34 ‹Russ› I'd say overall the archer does the most damage, tho
09/09/2008 22:32:47 ‹James Jacobs› Deussu> Ah. Like how the MM4 has that Vraag or whatever which is basically a carbon copy of the bugbear, but faster, and at a lower CR?
09/09/2008 22:32:48 ‹Russ› She ALWAYS hits
09/09/2008 22:32:59 ‹Deussu› JJ: Yes, that.
09/09/2008 22:33:04 ‹James Jacobs› I'd hope we'll avoid that kind of power creep, yes.
09/09/2008 22:33:05 ‹Duicarthan› depends on the player and the build on who is the most cheesewealed
09/09/2008 22:33:13 ‹Deussu› Power creep, that's the word!
09/09/2008 22:33:22 ‹yoda› Russ, that's how my aow campaign is too. The Ranger 19 (with the wormhunter prc in there too) is the heaviest damage dealer and has been since day 1
09/09/2008 22:33:46 ‹Russ› Just 1.5 adventures to go!!! I may be done this year!
09/09/2008 22:33:51 ‹James Jacobs› That kind of power creep is really lame, I think. It's a manifestation of game designer egotisim, I believe; when a newer designer decides he wants to "outdo" the previous one. The 2nd edition Kit books had the same problem.
09/09/2008 22:34:07 ‹Absinth› Agreed
09/09/2008 22:34:08 ‹Russ› *nods*
09/09/2008 22:34:11 ‹Charles Evans› Deussu: mentioned 'do charops inspire arms races in some games' on another thread.
09/09/2008 22:34:11 ‹Blazej› Duicarthan, Would you continue to include the player races in the MM like elves, dwarves, gnomes, when they are already in the main book?
09/09/2008 22:34:14 ‹Laz› .
09/09/2008 22:34:20 ‹James Jacobs› Egotism in the industry is actually one of the dirty little secret fatal flaws.
09/09/2008 22:34:21 ‹Pygon› mmm 2e Abi-Dhalzim's Horrid Wilting...
09/09/2008 22:34:23 ‹Blazej› Bah!
09/09/2008 22:34:29 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, Would you continue to include the player races in the MM like elves, dwarves, gnomes, when they are already in the main book?
09/09/2008 22:34:36 ‹Blazej› Not Duicarthan/
09/09/2008 22:34:59 ‹James Jacobs› I dunno.
09/09/2008 22:35:08 ‹Absinth› But it might be interesting to know what Duicarthan would do...
09/09/2008 22:35:09 ‹yoda› I think that's a waste of space
09/09/2008 22:35:16 ‹Blazej›
09/09/2008 22:35:16 ‹Duicarthan› options are just fine, but even when I wrote the Class Acts article in Dragon 357 it was to just keep wizards on par.
09/09/2008 22:35:23 ‹Duicarthan› hehe
09/09/2008 22:35:30 ‹Blazej› I think egotisim is bad in any small industry.
09/09/2008 22:35:39 ‹Blazej› A bad problem.
09/09/2008 22:35:41 ‹yoda› Blazej, like politics?
09/09/2008 22:35:42 ‹James Jacobs› On one level... It'd be nice to have a bunch of sample npcs of the main races in the MM. But ont he other hand, that'd save us about a dozen pages we could use for daemons and dinosaurs and froghemoths and snapper saws.
09/09/2008 22:35:44 ‹Pygon› Spellbookless Wizards was yours, Duic?
09/09/2008 22:35:51 ‹Duicarthan› I'd seen too many sorcerer options with free metamagic
09/09/2008 22:35:54 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: The assumption on some of the threads (rightly or wrongly) is that some of the power creep comes from 'we need something the munchkins will *want* to buy...
09/09/2008 22:35:56 * Duicarthan nods at Pygon
09/09/2008 22:35:59 ‹Charles Evans› '
09/09/2008 22:36:02 ‹Pygon› I love you man.
09/09/2008 22:36:17 ‹Duicarthan› hehe I love options and ideas and new fresh concepts
09/09/2008 22:36:22 ‹yoda› James Jacobs, speaking of dinosaurs. Have you seen the stuff that Paizo has on sale now from Blackdyrge? Some neato prehistoric beasties in there
09/09/2008 22:36:29 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Perhaps. But from my experience with a lot of game designers... Egos are pretty powerful forces in the industry, let's just say.
09/09/2008 22:36:36 ‹Duicarthan› hehe you're welcome Pygon though my fav was Impromptu Metamagic
09/09/2008 22:36:46 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Oh? (races off to paizo.com to utilize his employee discount)
09/09/2008 22:36:57 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I thought the Beta had quick and dirty guidelines for npcs, and has assumed that those would make the RPG?
09/09/2008 22:37:11 ‹yoda› employee discount? It's already $1 a piece
09/09/2008 22:37:15 * Pygon will look that one up
09/09/2008 22:37:35 ‹Duicarthan› James> theres always going to be egos in any type of design. The its my baby thing, but what makes a good designer is being able to compromise your ideas for the balance and playability of the game at hand.
09/09/2008 22:37:39 ‹James Jacobs› Well for me it would be 60 pennies apiece!
09/09/2008 22:37:43 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, I think I would like to see the npcs not in the MM. I like them, but I think I like different monsters more.
09/09/2008 22:37:54 ‹James Jacobs› Although! I doubt i'll buy them. I'm not a big fan of PDF only products. <shrug>
09/09/2008 22:38:09 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Hmm. Jason didn't strike me as having a very big ego at Gen Con UK; is that why he's such a great designer?
09/09/2008 22:38:11 ‹yoda› I know what you mean, but for $1/pdf I couldn't resist
09/09/2008 22:38:20 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that the RPG itself will indeed have some rules for building quick and dirty npcs, yes.
09/09/2008 22:38:38 ‹yoda› Charles Evans, he's a big guy. It takes a lot of ego to overflow to noticeable levels
22:39:17 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I plead the 5th on that topic.
09/09/2008 22:39:57 ‹James Jacobs› Actually, egos at Paizo are, for the most part, relatively in control, which is good.
09/09/2008 22:40:30 ‹Charles Evans› Which one's the 5th ammednment? Journalists?
09/09/2008 22:40:42 ‹Blazej› The right to remain silent.
09/09/2008 22:40:51 ‹Charles Evans› Ah.
09/09/2008 22:40:51 ‹Absinth› lol
09/09/2008 22:40:54 ‹Duicarthan› Blazej is right on there
09/09/2008 22:40:56 ‹Charles Evans›
09/09/2008 22:41:07 ‹Blazej› It protects against self incrimination.
09/09/2008 22:41:38 ‹Charles Evans›
09/09/2008 22:41:47 ‹Eyebite› Alright guys, I'm out. G'night all!
09/09/2008 22:41:54 ‹Pygon› bye Eyebite
09/09/2008 22:41:55 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Eyebite.
09/09/2008 22:41:58 ‹Absinth› Night Eyebite!
09/09/2008 22:42:02 ‹Laz› Night Eyebite
09/09/2008 22:42:14 ‹Blazej› Night Eyebite.
09/09/2008 22:42:14 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya!
22:42:54 ‹Zootcat› I know that Common is Taldane, but isn't Chelaxian the same language, too?
09/09/2008 22:43:02 ‹James Jacobs› Chelaxian isn't a language.
09/09/2008 22:43:14 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm.
09/09/2008 22:43:17 ‹James Jacobs› That's a fragment from when we first started things up with Golarion.
09/09/2008 22:43:18 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 22:43:24 * Deussu quit (timeout)
09/09/2008 22:43:27 ‹James Jacobs› One that didn't get picked up for the gazetteer.
09/09/2008 22:43:27 ‹Duicarthan› Thasilonian is though. =)
09/09/2008 22:43:31 * Fray joins Main
09/09/2008 22:43:36 ‹James Jacobs› Thassilonian is indeed a language.
09/09/2008 22:43:38 ‹Blazej› There is more about the 5th amendment, but I it doesn't apply to this case.
09/09/2008 22:43:57 ‹Zootcat› ah... The BBEG in the Hydra's Fang Incident is listed as having Common and Chelaxian
09/09/2008 22:44:00 ‹James Jacobs› I'm a LITTLE frustrated that Shoanti got left off the language list, though.
09/09/2008 22:44:14 ‹James Jacobs› Zootcat> Thats an embarassing and shameful error that should never have seen print then.
09/09/2008 22:44:21 ‹Duicarthan› hehe I'm the only one in the Rise of the Runelords game we running here with it. My DM hates me now.
09/09/2008 22:44:24 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: In the Campaign Setting?
09/09/2008 22:45:11 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah. Shoanti's a legitimate language, one that we've been using all the time in Pathfinder. But since my involvement in the CS was minimal... That little tidbit got overlooked.
09/09/2008 22:45:13 ‹Charles Evans› checks
09/09/2008 22:45:15 ‹Fray› hi. What did I miss?
09/09/2008 22:45:29 ‹James Jacobs› The nymph dancing ladies! They were hot.
09/09/2008 22:45:44 ‹Charles Evans› It should be on the list for Varisians in the section at the front?
09/09/2008 22:45:50 ‹Blazej› Does Ardoran have a Constitution with Amendments and all that jazz?
09/09/2008 22:45:58 ‹James Jacobs› It should be in the section on Languages in Chapter 5.
09/09/2008 22:46:06 ‹Fray› dammit... I always get the half-orc girl shows...
09/09/2008 22:46:09 ‹Zootcat› I will make sure that my players understand Shoanti is a language.
09/09/2008 22:46:14 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> I don't think so. They might be working on one right now.
09/09/2008 22:46:29 ‹Charles Evans› Fray: They were handing out tankards of the fines ale, too.
09/09/2008 22:46:37 ‹Charles Evans› fines(t)
09/09/2008 22:46:43 ‹Zootcat› Andoran has a Constitution score of 18
09/09/2008 22:46:51 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, cool. My....
09/09/2008 22:46:55 ‹Blazej› Darn you Zootcat.
09/09/2008 22:47:02 ‹Pygon› >.<
09/09/2008 22:47:02 ‹James Jacobs› But an intelligence score of only 6, if that dude's head is any indication,.
09/09/2008 22:47:09 ‹Zootcat› lol
09/09/2008 22:47:10 ‹Charles Evans› I think they're still busy trying to spread the revolution to other nations.
09/09/2008 22:47:25 ‹Pygon› poor small head guy.
09/09/2008 22:47:27 ‹Fray› via adornlan!
09/09/2008 22:47:31 ‹Charles Evans› And to fervantly deny Galt.
09/09/2008 22:47:34 ‹James Jacobs› They need that new easilly spreadable revolution right out of the fridge stuff they sell.
09/09/2008 22:47:37 ‹Blazej› Do they have a version of the Declaration of Independence?
09/09/2008 22:47:47 ‹James Jacobs› Not sure.
09/09/2008 22:47:54 ‹James Jacobs› I know very little about Andoran, to be honest.
09/09/2008 22:47:56 ‹Charles Evans› Would an Andoran blame the revolution 'going bad' in Galt on Cheliax?
09/09/2008 22:48:07 ‹Blazej› Alright, thanks.
09/09/2008 22:48:10 ‹Charles Evans› For propaganda purposes?
22:48:28 ‹James Jacobs› That'd probably depend on what side of Andoran the guy lived in. Westerners would likely blame cheliax, while easterners would blame Galt or some such.
09/09/2008 22:48:38 ‹Zootcat› That Andoran guy isn't the only pic with a small head. There are several. Just look through Classic Monsters Revisited
09/09/2008 22:48:41 ‹Charles Evans› (Galt is basically in a sate of a thirty year long reign of terror)
09/09/2008 22:48:51 ‹James Jacobs› Monsters often have intelligence penalties though.
09/09/2008 22:48:54 * Fray plays a 25 Million Propaganda card on Charles
09/09/2008 22:48:55 ‹James Jacobs› Doesn't explain goblins really.
09/09/2008 22:49:15 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, they have goblin schools.
09/09/2008 22:49:20 ‹Fray› goblin brains are located in their legs
09/09/2008 22:49:21 ‹Blazej› They teach the essentials.
09/09/2008 22:49:28 ‹Blazej› Like setting things on fire.
09/09/2008 22:49:34 ‹James Jacobs› A "goblin school" is probably a hole in the ground with a club and a dog.
09/09/2008 22:49:46 ‹Pygon› I'm not passing out, but I may at any moment. So, I'm out. Take care James, thanks again!
20:12:22 * James Jacobs joins Main
16/09/2008 20:12:29 ‹Mothman› hey James
16/09/2008 20:12:30 ‹JonShade› David, thx for stopping by the ECDS today
16/09/2008 20:12:36 ‹Pygon› welcome James!
16/09/2008 20:12:37 ‹JonShade› Hi James
16/09/2008 20:12:38 ‹James Jacobs› Hi there!
16/09/2008 20:12:39 ‹Hill Giant› Hey, James
16/09/2008 20:12:40 ‹Daigle› Howdy James!
20:12:46 ‹Justin Sluder› Greetings great and mighty James Jacobs!
16/09/2008 20:12:48 ‹David› JonShade, your chat?
16/09/2008 20:12:50 ‹James Jacobs› AND: Yay! The chatroom works!
16/09/2008 20:12:53 ‹Wyvern› Hey James
16/09/2008 20:12:54 ‹JonShade› David, yes
16/09/2008 20:12:54 ‹David› James Jacobs, hi!
16/09/2008 20:12:56 ‹yoda8myhead› Oh yeah, my summoning spell had a 40 round casting time.
16/09/2008 20:13:03 ‹cappadocius› hello, Mr. Jacobs!
16/09/2008 20:13:04 ‹Ross› JAMES!
16/09/2008 20:13:06 ‹David› oh i was being deprived
16/09/2008 20:13:08 * Daigle celebrates the functioning chatroom!
16/09/2008 20:13:11 ‹Pygon› James, can you just give Customs your good word so they can waive the inspection?
16/09/2008 20:13:11 ‹David› it got quiet in here
16/09/2008 20:13:25 ‹JonShade› David, ev1 ran here
16/09/2008 20:13:38 ‹Blazej› James, hello.
16/09/2008 20:13:48 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... customs. Grrrr.
16/09/2008 20:13:49 ‹David› it was quiet here so i went there...
16/09/2008 20:13:57 ‹yoda8myhead› so what's up James?
16/09/2008 20:14:03 ‹David› yoda8myhead, heh
16/09/2008 20:14:11 ‹Daigle› Customs, sheesh, books aren't even that good to hide drugs in, at least not 96 page ones.
16/09/2008 20:14:11 ‹James Jacobs› Not much! Trying to decide what kind of pizza to order.
16/09/2008 20:14:11 ‹Hill Giant› James, Did you get an answer about the thornbow?
16/09/2008 20:14:20 ‹butterfrog› Ross, green tasty goo
16/09/2008 20:14:26 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, where are you ordering from?
16/09/2008 20:14:27 ‹Blazej› The dogs must have smelled the awesome on the boxes of PF 14.
16/09/2008 20:14:29 ‹David› Daigle, you need a bible for that
16/09/2008 20:14:29 ‹Ross› This is relevant.
16/09/2008 20:14:31 ‹David›
16/09/2008 20:14:37 ‹Daigle› Nice one Blazej!
16/09/2008 20:14:50 ‹butterfrog› hola Mr Jacobs
16/09/2008 20:14:52 ‹Ross› butterfrog, I disagree. (My girlfriend agrees with you, though)
16/09/2008 20:15:02 ‹James Jacobs› Hill> I did; basically the thorn bow is exotic because it shoots thorns, not arrows. This flavor was not retained in the CS, but even then....
16/09/2008 20:15:12 ‹Mothman› James, is it weird for customs to hold up a shipment like that? Or just something that happens from time to time?
16/09/2008 20:15:16 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> dunno yet.
16/09/2008 20:15:18 * David has no green goo opinion
16/09/2008 20:15:51 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, where is the thornbow from originally?
16/09/2008 20:15:51 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> It happens from time to time. They randomly pick ships to hold, is my understnading. We got 13 through before we got hit.
16/09/2008 20:16:08 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> From "Conquest of Bloodsworn Vale," I believe.
16/09/2008 20:16:10 ‹Pygon› whole ships?
16/09/2008 20:16:20 ‹cappadocius› yeah.
16/09/2008 20:16:20 ‹David› James Jacobs, ever loose anything else to them
16/09/2008 20:16:22 ‹James Jacobs› It should probably just get cut from the reprint, I suspect. It's not a very good bow.
16/09/2008 20:16:22 ‹David› >
16/09/2008 20:16:30 ‹James Jacobs› Nothing yet.
16/09/2008 20:16:30 ‹cappadocius› They have to check every cargo container, Pygon.
16/09/2008 20:16:43 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah; it takes them a LONG time to go through the ship.
16/09/2008 20:16:56 ‹Mothman› HG, yeah, they're in Bloodsworn Vale, those rose fey guys use them
16/09/2008 20:17:05 * KnightErrantJR joins Main
16/09/2008 20:17:08 ‹Pygon› a dingy would be inspected faster... hmm.
16/09/2008 20:17:15 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Knight!
16/09/2008 20:17:17 ‹Mothman› James, awesome Darklands pic on the blog the other day with Froghemoth v Tyrannosaurus. I have to admit, Froghemoth never really did it for me, mainly 'cos I never played Barrier Peaks and I always found the artwork for them goofy. This artwork is SO not goofy!
16/09/2008 20:17:17 ‹James Jacobs› ANYway... going forward, we now want to get Pathfinder shipped 2 weeks early so that if this happens again, it won't cause a shipping delay to customers.
16/09/2008 20:17:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hello all
16/09/2008 20:17:19 ‹Daigle› Howdy Knight
16/09/2008 20:17:26 ‹Mothman› hey KEJR
16/09/2008 20:17:35 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Froghemoth for the win. They've long been one of my favorites.
16/09/2008 20:17:45 ‹butterfrog› hi knight
16/09/2008 20:17:59 ‹Pygon› James - fortunately September was a product light month, so hopefully it doesn't cut into your margin too much
16/09/2008 20:18:12 * Blazej quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 20:18:26 ‹Daigle› Okay, here's my pitch for a PathfinderModern adventure: A group of miscreants, misfits and malcontents make way for the West coast to infiltrate a cargo ship and liberate a special shipment!
16/09/2008 20:18:30 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Actually, a product light month is the worst time to have that happen.
16/09/2008 20:18:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey there . . . yes James, love the frogemoth . . . I'm so glad its OGL now
16/09/2008 20:18:38 ‹Daigle› ...oh, and it's a LARP.
16/09/2008 20:18:44 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, I know dinosaurs will remain in the PFMM, but will they be tweaked any based on current science, or will we keep up with 10-30 year out of date dinosaurs?
16/09/2008 20:18:44 ‹Ross› James, in absence of more information, I'd recommend a bacon and pesto pizza.
16/09/2008 20:18:46 ‹Justin Sluder› Daigle,
16/09/2008 20:18:50 ‹Ross› It goes together really well
16/09/2008 20:18:53 ‹Pygon› James - really, why so?
16/09/2008 20:19:11 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> I suspect that, since this is a Monster Book i have control over... modern science will be respected.
16/09/2008 20:19:16 ‹cappadocius› yay!
16/09/2008 20:19:29 * cappadocius does a little dance.
16/09/2008 20:19:31 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Because we have less money coming in already, but the bills remain the same
16/09/2008 20:19:32 * David quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 20:19:32 ‹Mothman› So James, looks like Froggy will make it into the PFRPG Big Ass Book of Monsters then?
16/09/2008 20:19:47 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> I might just give that a try.
16/09/2008 20:19:53 * butterfrog wonders if butterfrogs will ever make it into a MM ;P
16/09/2008 20:20:03 ‹Pygon› James - ah, I see
16/09/2008 20:20:03 ‹Mothman› I think the Monster Book discussion on the boards is going well, even if some poeple (myself included!) do have some odd ideas of what should be included or not
16/09/2008 20:20:19 * Rayzstyn quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 20:20:29 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> I'm gonna TRY to get the froghemoth into the Pathfinder Monster book. It's actually got a VERY good chance of getting in.
16/09/2008 20:20:31 ‹Wyvern› Pesto pizza? Never heard of that.
16/09/2008 20:20:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its taught me that I'm a grumpier old man than I thought I was . . .
16/09/2008 20:20:48 ‹Ross› Wyvern, pesto pizza or just pesto
16/09/2008 20:20:49 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yeah; the monster book discussion is fun!
16/09/2008 20:20:58 ‹Wyvern› Pesto pizza
16/09/2008 20:21:02 ‹James Jacobs› Pesto is indeed delicious on pizza.
16/09/2008 20:21:05 ‹Blazej› How many pages for monsters will the Pathfinder Monster book have?
16/09/2008 20:21:11 ‹Daigle› Wyvern, you just sub pesto for the tomato sauce.
16/09/2008 20:21:13 ‹Russ› Ah, the chat is rolling
16/09/2008 20:21:22 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> We don't know yet. Somewhere between 256 and 350, i suspect.
16/09/2008 20:21:27 ‹Russ› I chipped in for a while there, but then I got busy again
16/09/2008 20:21:29 ‹Mothman› Yum, Pesto pizza. Thin crust. Mmmmm
20:21:34 ‹Russ› But my PF RPG game starts up this month! Yay!
16/09/2008 20:21:35 ‹Ross› Wyvern, there's a couple ways to do it. SOme places just put pesto on top, but I've also seen it as a replacement for tomato sauce.
16/09/2008 20:21:41 ‹James Jacobs› Which, if we do 1 monster a page, limits us to less than the 3.5 monster manual, so that's a concern...
16/09/2008 20:21:53 ‹Blazej› 350 pages for monsters?!
16/09/2008 20:22:00 ‹Russ› Is this the first time custom got snoopy?
16/09/2008 20:22:02 ‹James Jacobs› Yup
16/09/2008 20:22:09 ‹James Jacobs› Yup to both those questions
16/09/2008 20:22:12 ‹Blazej› Thats a big book.
16/09/2008 20:22:18 ‹Daigle› Tasty
16/09/2008 20:22:22 ‹Russ› There's a few where you can break those rules - dinosaurs, dire animals
16/09/2008 20:22:23 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah; the monster book kinda has to be the core book for the game, so it needs a LOT of monsters.
16/09/2008 20:22:39 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, why only 350 pages for monsters?
16/09/2008 20:22:47 ‹cappadocius› that's 350 monsters!
16/09/2008 20:22:51 ‹Daigle› What percentage of new bestiary critters do you see going in?
16/09/2008 20:22:52 ‹Ross› How thick is the 3.5 book?
16/09/2008 20:22:52 ‹James Jacobs› My current idea: Animals all get 1 page, but we squeeze the normal animal and the dire one onto the same page.
16/09/2008 20:22:55 ‹cappadocius› Closer to 400 if animals don't get a full page each!
16/09/2008 20:22:57 ‹cappadocius› ah.
16/09/2008 20:22:59 ‹Blazej› cappadocius, less because of two page monsters.
16/09/2008 20:23:06 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, that's actually a good idea.
16/09/2008 20:23:07 ‹Mothman› Jame, I love the look of Zirnakaynin in the blog too; I presume we will see an entire city map at some point in some product?
16/09/2008 20:23:16 ‹Ross› Dire badger and wolverine can also use the same stat block.
16/09/2008 20:23:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Because they don't want throw everyone's back out between this and the PFRPG book . . .
16/09/2008 20:23:17 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> I'm gonna push to have 400 pages in the book, but in the end it all depends on what we can afford to do.
16/09/2008 20:23:22 ‹KnightErrantJR›
16/09/2008 20:23:22 ‹cappadocius› I thought the plan, Blaze, was one page per monster.
16/09/2008 20:23:51 ‹Russ› A page each for most of the animals seems excessive...bison, for example
16/09/2008 20:23:52 ‹Blazej› I think some monsters are large and require those two pages, notably dragons.
16/09/2008 20:23:59 ‹Pygon› I know. Strategic... Abbreviation
16/09/2008 20:24:05 ‹Rathendar› i love that idea actually, regarding normal and dire on same page
16/09/2008 20:24:06 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, will this one be hardcover s well?
16/09/2008 20:24:06 ‹cappadocius› yes, Dragons always require two pages in 3.x
16/09/2008 20:24:09 ‹James Jacobs› Verminn will do something similar; one page for "centipede" and then have the standard giant centipede and the swarm on the same page. No need for separate stat blocks for all the size categories, when that can be covered by the Advancement line in the stat block.
16/09/2008 20:24:11 ‹Ross› Brown Bear and Polar bear are also reduntant: They're the same CR, but the polar bear is tougher. Cut the brown bear.
16/09/2008 20:24:18 * butterfrog is overwhelmed by the amount of chatting going on here...
16/09/2008 20:24:19 ‹Mothman› Does the world really need Dire Badgers?
16/09/2008 20:24:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yes
16/09/2008 20:24:32 ‹cappadocius› There is no historical dire badger.
16/09/2008 20:24:33 ‹Russ› Cut the POLAR bear. Brown bears are much more common.
16/09/2008 20:24:33 ‹Pygon› Moth - not anymore, far too many of em
16/09/2008 20:24:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Only because I've used them though
16/09/2008 20:24:47 ‹cappadocius› I should THINK Mr. Jacobs would use real fossil critters.
16/09/2008 20:24:47 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Pathfinder 16 has a 10-page gazetteer about Zirnakaynin, and the entire adventure takes place in it. There's lots of maps in it. And there'll be a poster map of the city in the Second Darkness Map Folio.
16/09/2008 20:24:53 ‹Blazej› butterfrog, yeah it is kind of crazy.
16/09/2008 20:24:56 ‹Russ› dire badger is in the summon list, isn't it?
16/09/2008 20:24:58 ‹Mothman› Cool!
16/09/2008 20:24:58 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The monster book will be hardcover, yes.
16/09/2008 20:25:01 ‹cappadocius› Rather than the "dungeon critters" of Wizards.
16/09/2008 20:25:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› I loved the dire polar bear from Frostburn . . .
16/09/2008 20:25:13 ‹Hill Giant› "Badgers? Badgers? We don't need no stinkin' badgers!"
16/09/2008 20:25:14 ‹Pygon› oooh Poster Map
16/09/2008 20:25:15 ‹cappadocius› I *hate* the current summon list. I realize "backwards compatibility" and all, but damn.
16/09/2008 20:25:15 * butterfrog doesn't know how to jump in...to many good questions!!!
16/09/2008 20:25:18 ‹Ross› Russ, brown bears are more common, but polar bears have a better stat block. I was saying cut the brown bear stats, not the animal.
16/09/2008 20:25:34 ‹James Jacobs› The bear page in the Monster Book would have half a page for Grizzly Bear and half a page for Dire Bear (or Cave Bear, or whatever).
16/09/2008 20:25:41 ‹Ross› Make it 'little bear' (black bear), 'big bear' (polar bear' and dire bear.
16/09/2008 20:25:44 ‹Pygon› butterfrog - just pick one and preface your question with "James -"
16/09/2008 20:25:56 ‹butterfrog› Poster map like the one by Diterlizzi on the Faeries book!
16/09/2008 20:25:58 ‹Mothman› James: But if you don't stat up all the different sizes of giant centipede (and other vermin) will that potentially mean more stat blocks required in adventures? Is that a concern at all? (Possibly not)
16/09/2008 20:26:09 ‹James Jacobs› Dire badger stays. it's pretty core to the experience.
16/09/2008 20:26:24 ‹cappadocius› They always reprint the stat block in its entirety, Mothman.
16/09/2008 20:26:32 ‹cappadocius› So, more? Unlikely.
16/09/2008 20:26:36 ‹James Jacobs› The current summon monster list NEEDS to be fixed. The lists are way too skewed toward evil.
16/09/2008 20:26:49 ‹cappadocius› yes.
16/09/2008 20:26:55 ‹Rathendar› yay
16/09/2008 20:26:57 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, yes, I discovered that when I played a conjuror
16/09/2008 20:26:59 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, that just because there are more evil monsters.
16/09/2008 20:26:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, I'd love to see more neutral elemental creatures on the list
16/09/2008 20:27:11 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yes; if we don't stat up lots of centipedes we WILL need to do full stats in adventures. I'm okay with that.
16/09/2008 20:27:17 ‹Hill Giant› evil has more fun
16/09/2008 20:27:17 ‹Mothman› Cappa: IIRC they don't print the stat block if it already exists in the MM
16/09/2008 20:27:39 ‹butterfrog› isn't it easier to list the summon monster in CR and creature type? like SMI CR1 outsidernative/animal/etc?
20:27:41 ‹Daigle› One of the guys in my group summons a damned lyrakin nearly every fight.
16/09/2008 20:27:41 ‹cappadocius› I, personally, would prefer full stat blocks for everything ANYWAY.
16/09/2008 20:27:50 ‹James Jacobs› I'm also okay with abandoning the whole "monstrous vermin" thing totally, and instead doing "Giant Tarantula" and "Spineback Scorpion" and "Crimson Centipede." Giving them fun names and stuff rather than generic.
16/09/2008 20:27:54 ‹cappadocius› If I can run the adventure with /just that adventure/, it's done its job.
16/09/2008 20:27:58 ‹Rathendar› unless teh stat block is tweaked by hd/teplate/class levels. which is very very common
16/09/2008 20:28:01 * Blazej quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 20:28:07 ‹Mothman› So for something like giant spiders, that show up at various sizes in every second adventure (it seems sometimes), that's some extra stat blocks required in those adventures (admittedly probably not that many)
16/09/2008 20:28:11 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, couldn't you do that anyway?
16/09/2008 20:28:14 ‹Daigle› I fully support your vermin ideas
16/09/2008 20:28:27 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Sure, more evil monsters, but it's still a downer for clerics to not have choices. Especially since the use of so many fiendish and celestial monsters is arbitrary.
16/09/2008 20:28:32 ‹Daigle› Especially putting the swarms on the same page.
16/09/2008 20:28:42 ‹cappadocius› I will support the ideas of anyone who properly makes Ankhegs into Vermin.
16/09/2008 20:28:50 ‹Daigle› cappa
16/09/2008 20:28:51 ‹Blazej› What will happen for sample dragon stats, will they be there? Currently in the MM each color dragon gets one sample dragon.
16/09/2008 20:29:04 ‹James Jacobs› Ankhegs won't become vermin. They're intelligent.
16/09/2008 20:29:08 ‹Hill Giant› Can the PF MM be organized by creature type?
16/09/2008 20:29:16 ‹James Jacobs› The PF MM will be alphabetical.
16/09/2008 20:29:23 ‹Mothman› James: yeah, I really like the Paizo (or James Jacobs) tradition of giving different types of monstrous vermin and other things cool evocative names
16/09/2008 20:29:24 ‹James Jacobs› But will maybe have lists by type
16/09/2008 20:29:24 ‹cappadocius› They're intelligent because they're ...
16/09/2008 20:29:27 * cappadocius grinds his teeth.
16/09/2008 20:29:31 ‹Rathendar› perhaps a creature type index in the back?
16/09/2008 20:29:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› I liked the idea of the Avatar's Handbook from Green Ronin creating some low CR celestials to summon, as well as some of the low CR celestials from SKR's Anger of Angels
16/09/2008 20:29:34 ‹cappadocius› *fine*
16/09/2008 20:29:43 ‹Hill Giant› I loved how the old Creature Catalog was organized.
16/09/2008 20:29:43 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> That's mostly a James Jacobs tradition that's slowly but surely wearing off on Paizo.
16/09/2008 20:29:47 ‹cappadocius› If I ever get my hands on the Monster Manual, though.
16/09/2008 20:30:16 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik said that art has already been ordered for some stuff?
16/09/2008 20:30:28 * cappadocius checks to see how far he got on his own Summon revamp.
16/09/2008 20:30:35 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Currently for dragons, I'm thinking 2 pages for intro, then 2 pages for each dragon, with a full stat block for the "sweet spot" for that dragon. I'd LIKE to ditch the cumbersome age category garbage alltogether and just handle bigger dragons via advancement, but that might be too extreme.
16/09/2008 20:30:48 ‹Russ› Not completely arbitrary, there's something of a theme across the alignments
16/09/2008 20:30:52 ‹Mothman› Cappa: I agree, I do like having all the stat blocks in the adventure, and not have to flip through the MM in play. BUT, I don't like that that means the adventure ends up a lot shorter with all those stat blocks!
16/09/2008 20:30:57 ‹cappadocius› I *like* the age category.
16/09/2008 20:31:01 * Russ would miss dragon age categories
16/09/2008 20:31:06 ‹cappadocius› (so of course it's doomed)
16/09/2008 20:31:12 ‹Russ› Plus dragons advance stats a lot faster than for normal advancement
16/09/2008 20:31:15 ‹James Jacobs› If you make ankhegs vermin, and take away their intelligence, that's fine... but that means you can never have trained ankhegs.
16/09/2008 20:31:18 ‹Pygon› Moth - agreed - this woudl especially be a problem with the higher level adventures
16/09/2008 20:31:35 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> We've already PRINTED some of the art we'll be using in the monster book.
16/09/2008 20:31:46 ‹Daigle› James, how likely would it be to add a sidebar or someting noting extra choices for Improved Familiar? (Or even indicating within certain statblocks which critters could be chosen at which level?)
16/09/2008 20:31:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› No dancing ankegs at fairs . . . no war ankegs ridden by insane buckawn cavaliers . . .
16/09/2008 20:31:57 ‹yoda8myhead› CMR stuff then?
16/09/2008 20:32:06 ‹James Jacobs› Basically, any time we do a full figure illo of a monster it becomes one that can be picked up again for the mosnter book.
16/09/2008 20:32:14 ‹Russ› I'd prefer brown over grizzly - brown covers more types of bears. But as long as it says to use it for coastal bears, kodiaks, etc....
16/09/2008 20:32:18 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; CMR is one source. Pathfinder is another.
16/09/2008 20:32:22 ‹cappadocius› Actually, isn't there a feat that lets you take vermin as an animal companion?
16/09/2008 20:32:31 ‹Pygon› no ankhegs to fetch my slippers and scratch at the door
16/09/2008 20:32:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, the PF green dragon has really grown on me, especially after the blog picuture from today.
16/09/2008 20:32:52 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Improved Familiar should be on the standard feat list in the PFRPG, actually.
16/09/2008 20:32:52 ‹cappadocius› I'd honestly prefer, Russ, just "bear" with good advancement rules.
16/09/2008 20:32:56 ‹yoda8myhead› cappadocius, there is one in D1.5, I believe
16/09/2008 20:32:59 ‹Russ› cappa - yup, in the PFCS among other sources
16/09/2008 20:33:10 * cappadocius knows there is. I'm just sayin'.
16/09/2008 20:33:25 ‹cappadocius› Rangers can train their animal companions.
16/09/2008 20:33:25 ‹Russ› Leaving everything up to advancement puts us right back to needing stat blocks all over the place in mods, particularly in the random encounter table
16/09/2008 20:33:35 ‹James Jacobs› Brown bear is more middle of the road. It's a compromise between Polar and Black. AND: IF the demand for bears is there, we'll print more bear stat blocks in the next monster book we do after the first one. That's what D&D did in 1st edition.
16/09/2008 20:33:57 * cappadocius hehs. Actually, I think there's an OGL bear PDF expansion out there.
16/09/2008 20:33:57 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, then why are brown and polar bears the same CR?
16/09/2008 20:34:03 ‹Russ› It's not really clearcut which bear of the two is nastier anyway
16/09/2008 20:34:03 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Yeah; there are feats that let you take animal companion vermin and stuff... but those feats have to come with baggage about how to bend the rules and blah blah blah...
16/09/2008 20:34:08 ‹cappadocius› I say think because I'm not sure it's entirely OGL.
16/09/2008 20:34:09 * Mairkurion joins Main
16/09/2008 20:34:16 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Cool! I really like the look we've got for the greens.
16/09/2008 20:34:18 ‹cappadocius› I know it exists.
16/09/2008 20:34:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Unlike Steven Colbert, I love bears . . . that having been said, every species doesn't need to be spelled out for me right off the bat.
16/09/2008 20:34:24 ‹Russ› How about DEadvancement rules? They are overdue
16/09/2008 20:34:25 ‹Daigle› Yes, but I was asking about more choices than the ones given, unless you are telling me that the Improved Familiar list in PFRPG will be expanded further than the SRD one.
16/09/2008 20:34:36 ‹Daigle› Howdy Mairkurion
16/09/2008 20:34:51 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> I suspect that brown and polar bears are the same CR as a result of poor design.
20:35:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› Russ, I really liked the Dungeonbred Template from Dungeonscape just because sometimes a smaller specimen of a monster made a lot more sense.
16/09/2008 20:35:13 ‹cappadocius› Daigle, I suggested everything that can be a familiar and/or animal companion just have a line giving the level at which you can gain them as such in the stat block.
16/09/2008 20:35:17 ‹James Jacobs› If they're the same CR... they should just have one stat block with a line saying: "Polar bears are white and live on ice."
16/09/2008 20:35:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› It was sort of a "De advancement" template
16/09/2008 20:35:27 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I learned to always just sub in the tougher stat block whenever Brown Bears appeared an an adventure.
16/09/2008 20:35:28 ‹Daigle› cappa, that's what I was getting at.
16/09/2008 20:35:29 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I'd LOVE to see Deadvancement rules.
16/09/2008 20:35:37 ‹cappadocius› Me too!
16/09/2008 20:35:41 ‹James Jacobs› You can already kinda do that, but it needs to be more clear.
16/09/2008 20:35:48 ‹cappadocius› It's a pain in the ass to try and create cubs of animals!
16/09/2008 20:36:04 ‹Blazej› It sort of happens with baby/teenaged giants. Sort of.
16/09/2008 20:36:08 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Expanding the improved familir list is possible, but not to the extent of making stuff up just to be on the list.
16/09/2008 20:36:18 ‹yoda8myhead› just get two adults of opposite sexes together at the right time of month, and voila! cubs
16/09/2008 20:36:25 ‹Russ› Juvenile purple worms have some utility out there
16/09/2008 20:36:32 ‹Mothman› Shhh. Don't tell Sam you want to put baby monsters in adventures!
16/09/2008 20:36:32 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect instead whenever we do a monster that can be an improved familiar, that monster's description will say so and give the appropriate info there.
16/09/2008 20:36:33 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I think Paizo should use the 'polar bears are white and live on ice' technique.
16/09/2008 20:36:39 * Mairkurion quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 20:36:46 ‹Daigle› Word.
16/09/2008 20:37:01 ‹Pygon› but which stat block should they use for brown bear!
16/09/2008 20:37:05 ‹James Jacobs› At the same point... the game DOES shy away from giving you rules for baby things. Because killing babies is kinda not what the game's about.
16/09/2008 20:37:26 ‹yoda8myhead› not even in the DARK twisted reaches of Paizo?
16/09/2008 20:37:28 ‹Ross› Pygon, the Polar Bear one. If it's the same CR, give the tougher one.
16/09/2008 20:37:30 ‹cappadocius› Just killing their parents.
16/09/2008 20:37:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› Or you could have a minor adjustment, like Ploar bears have Energy Reistance X cold or something.
16/09/2008 20:37:42 ‹yoda8myhead› a baby dretch should be killed
16/09/2008 20:37:46 ‹butterfrog› cappadocius, hehehe, point!
16/09/2008 20:37:48 ‹yoda8myhead› or a baby red dragon
16/09/2008 20:38:01 ‹cappadocius› There are no such things as baby dretches.
16/09/2008 20:38:02 ‹Blazej› I know they don't really exist in comologies that I know, but I now want to see a picture of a baby balor.
16/09/2008 20:38:03 ‹Ross› Of course, PFRPG might require more CR rejiggering, in which case polar and brown bears might not have the same CR anymore, then they should pick the one they like more.
16/09/2008 20:38:06 ‹James Jacobs› But at the same time... a lot of the monsters are iconic at their power level. I don't think that the purple worm is enhanced by suddenly making variants of it that can be fought at every level. It's more cool I think that fighting some monsters is a BADGE you get; you know you're high level when you down your first purple worm.
16/09/2008 20:38:10 ‹yoda8myhead› anything that will certainly be evil when it gets older and will be much harder to kill at that point
16/09/2008 20:38:17 ‹butterfrog› isn't the atropal sort of a baby?
16/09/2008 20:38:29 ‹Mothman› Artopal?
16/09/2008 20:38:34 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> GAH! PLOAR BEARS! They can be ANYTHING!
16/09/2008 20:38:40 ‹cappadocius› It's a god abortion, butterfrog.
16/09/2008 20:38:45 ‹cappadocius› well, technically, a god miscarriage.
16/09/2008 20:38:49 ‹butterfrog› atropal
16/09/2008 20:38:55 ‹Daigle› Sounds messy
16/09/2008 20:39:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'll blame the sinus medicine . . .
16/09/2008 20:39:00 ‹Pygon› maybe the Starpanda will make an appearance
16/09/2008 20:39:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
16/09/2008 20:39:02 ‹Ross› KnightErrantJR, good point. It always bothered me that Polar Bears had NO resistance to cold. Not even cold weather!
16/09/2008 20:39:05 ‹Mothman› yeah, sorry, bad spelling. Didnt know what it was
16/09/2008 20:39:05 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; no such things as baby demons. They're formed fully ready to go out of nothing (or out of lesser demons).
16/09/2008 20:39:11 ‹cappadocius› The main reason I want baby/de-advancement rules is because it's kind of iconic to the genre to take a cub and hand-raise it.
16/09/2008 20:39:33 ‹Wyvern› You can do that cappa
16/09/2008 20:39:38 ‹Justin Sluder› butterfrog, Mothman, http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic...atropal
16/09/2008 20:39:38 ‹Mothman› baby succubi?
16/09/2008 20:39:43 ‹cappadocius› Not unless you have stats for the cub!
20:39:48 ‹cappadocius› Otherwise, you handwave it.
16/09/2008 20:39:52 ‹James Jacobs› Baby succubi would get someone arrested.
16/09/2008 20:39:52 ‹Wyvern› Make'em up!
16/09/2008 20:40:03 ‹butterfrog› Justin Sluder, hehehe, I know... just kiding with the killing baby posts
16/09/2008 20:40:07 ‹cappadocius› Why don't I just make up all the monsters and not buy a monster manual?
16/09/2008 20:40:21 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, how choatic is that!? Making people into baby molesters
16/09/2008 20:40:23 ‹Justin Sluder› butterfrog, right
16/09/2008 20:40:24 ‹butterfrog› James Jacobs, LOL
16/09/2008 20:40:30 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> because you can't afford to illustrate them and don't have the time to stat them all up on your own?
16/09/2008 20:40:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› Anyway, James, not a fan of the "Dire Bulette" or the "Shadow Hacking Mega Hulk" for higher level Umber Hulks?
16/09/2008 20:40:46 ‹Mothman› Thanks Justin; that's a part of the SRD I should get more familiar with...
16/09/2008 20:40:57 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> We won't be doing pre-advanced monsters I suspect.
16/09/2008 20:41:02 ‹cappadocius› So I have time to stat a baby wyvern that the orc tribe was raising, but not the adult version.
16/09/2008 20:41:10 ‹James Jacobs› And we won't be giving them Duelmaster names.
16/09/2008 20:41:11 ‹Daigle› "Cappa's Book of Baby Critters - Now with 100% more Taxonomy!"
16/09/2008 20:41:20 ‹Daigle›
16/09/2008 20:41:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› How I hate "modern" monster naming conventions . . .
16/09/2008 20:41:32 ‹Mothman› eeek! I didn't mean to go there with baby succubi! I just wondered if they could breed with other demons?
16/09/2008 20:41:50 ‹Wyvern› Be nice to wyverns, they are sign of good luck for sailors.
16/09/2008 20:41:54 ‹Justin Sluder› Mothman, yes, they can
16/09/2008 20:41:55 ‹cappadocius› I've never liked the idea of demons mating.
16/09/2008 20:41:56 * Justin Sluder shudders
16/09/2008 20:42:03 ‹butterfrog› cappadocius, I'll draw the teen sucubuss for you! ;P
16/09/2008 20:42:03 ‹Ross› KnightErrantJR, James Jacobs, DuelMaster names bled into magic, and from there into D&D.
16/09/2008 20:42:05 ‹Pygon› except in storms.
16/09/2008 20:42:12 ‹James Jacobs› Demons doing the naughty do it for fun, not for kids.
16/09/2008 20:42:14 ‹cappadocius› Demons raping? Sure. Demons seducing? Sure. Demons mating? No.
16/09/2008 20:42:19 ‹cappadocius› Chaotic Evil doesn't create.
16/09/2008 20:42:22 ‹Daigle› Knight, like the Humpspawn Greenstabber?
16/09/2008 20:42:40 ‹James Jacobs› Same goes for all outsiders, though. Outsiders don't have kids. Except native outsiders, I guess.
16/09/2008 20:42:46 ‹Hill Giant› Daigle, thanks for naming my next character
16/09/2008 20:42:46 ‹Justin Sluder› Daigle, you must be joking about that name
16/09/2008 20:42:50 ‹Pygon› or the Longneck Trampler
16/09/2008 20:42:57 ‹cappadocius› I don't even understand the concept of Native Outsiders.
16/09/2008 20:42:59 ‹cappadocius› I really don't.
16/09/2008 20:43:01 ‹Daigle› Justin...I am.
16/09/2008 20:43:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ah, the horror . . . I think I'm going to glue some of my MM pages together just to skip them.
16/09/2008 20:43:02 ‹Mothman› Oh, teen succubi, that's a whole different story...
16/09/2008 20:43:20 ‹Pygon› lol Knight
16/09/2008 20:43:21 ‹Hill Giant› Mothman, teen succubi are emo
16/09/2008 20:43:29 ‹James Jacobs› Erik Mona came up with a GREAT name for the minotaur in modern monster name conventions, but I forgot what it was. I think it was the Cowface Strangler or something.
16/09/2008 20:43:48 ‹Daigle› Cowface Strangler! Nice!
16/09/2008 20:43:57 ‹Mothman› IT was - the Cowface Strangler (he mentioned it in chat once)
16/09/2008 20:44:00 ‹Russ› Snort
16/09/2008 20:44:08 ‹James Jacobs› Native outsiders are just outsiders who have changed or been transformed or evolved into things that dwell on the Material Plane. They have souls. Theyr'e sort of like missing links between outsiders and the rest.
16/09/2008 20:44:13 ‹Russ› I'm guilty of using some of those names, but I'm pretty sick of that convention
16/09/2008 20:44:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› That only works for a lurker though . . . a soldier would have to be a MooCharger HornMaster
16/09/2008 20:44:18 ‹Ross› cappadocius, it's a label of convenience. Aasimar aren't outsiders, but they're related to them.
16/09/2008 20:44:43 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, or out of material things, like 20 level monks.
16/09/2008 20:44:48 * cappadocius grumbles.
16/09/2008 20:44:54 ‹cappadocius› native outsider is an oxymoron.
16/09/2008 20:44:56 ‹James Jacobs› In some cases, like "Umber Hulk" that kind of name works well. And in MMORPGS it's fine; I don't mind names like that AT ALL in Warcraft. But in D&D? lame
16/09/2008 20:44:57 ‹Russ› I disagree on CE not trying to procreate.
16/09/2008 20:45:09 ‹Russ› The formless mass that lives to consume and spread itself is chaotic.
16/09/2008 20:45:17 ‹cappadocius› Yes?
16/09/2008 20:45:30 ‹Justin Sluder› cappadocius, so is Military Intelligence and Presidential Integrity.
16/09/2008 20:45:34 ‹Ross› Russ, what part of that requires procreating, instead of consuming?
16/09/2008 20:45:34 ‹cappadocius› Getting to the evil part soon, there?
16/09/2008 20:45:36 ‹Hill Giant› Russ, tell that to the pro-lifers.
16/09/2008 20:46:02 ‹Russ› umber hulk isn't really one those names....umber hulk rockchewer is
16/09/2008 20:46:09 * Russ changes his/her nickname to Russ is AFK, going to the airp
16/09/2008 20:46:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, thinking back on the dino name discussion, and back to the 1e MM, are dragons going to have "secondary" names that others use in Golarion?
16/09/2008 20:46:13 ‹Ross› cappadocius, it is an oxymoron. Maybe it should be it's own type?
16/09/2008 20:46:28 ‹Mothman› Hey James, it probably wont work for backwards compatability, but any chance of ditching half dragons? Do dragons really feel the need to hump anything that moves (and somethings that dont)?
16/09/2008 20:46:28 ‹James Jacobs› Umber hulk is. Adjective + Noun. That's the formula. It's just not trying WAY TOO HARD.
16/09/2008 20:46:39 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Nope; no secondary names.
16/09/2008 20:46:52 ‹James Jacobs› Well... PROBABLY nope.
16/09/2008 20:47:05 * cappadocius would like to see half-demons go away, half-golems are asinine, half-aberrations made hm angry.
16/09/2008 20:47:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› So now "Draco Pyreus Hungarium" or anything . . . good . . .
16/09/2008 20:47:13 ‹Daigle› What about the naming conventions of some adventures and fantasy novels, The Noun of Adjective Noun?
16/09/2008 20:47:13 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, the evolution of that forumal has been Adjective + Gerund.
16/09/2008 20:47:25 ‹Hill Giant› Adjective+Verb is OK. Noun-Verb+Adjective+Noun is try-hard
16/09/2008 20:47:26 ‹butterfrog› Are eladrins or guardinal appearing in the first PMM?
16/09/2008 20:47:40 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Half dragons will stay... but they'll have more flavor text. They'll be in there talking about silver dragons assuming human form to seduce humans, for example, but also as monsters that mad wizards have transformed by infusing them with dragon blood or something.
16/09/2008 20:47:42 ‹cappadocius› IIRC, James hates the name eladrins.
16/09/2008 20:47:49 ‹Ross› I agree with Cappy. Most half-X templates are asinine.
16/09/2008 20:47:50 * David joins Main
16/09/2008 20:47:53 ‹cappadocius› for that kind of critter.
16/09/2008 20:47:54 ‹James Jacobs› They'll continue being SUPER DAMN RARE in adventures though.
16/09/2008 20:48:03 ‹Daigle› wb David
16/09/2008 20:48:09 ‹Mothman› Well half demons and half aberrations are ok if you're playing Hentai the RPG...
20:48:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› I never minded Eladrin, until it got redefined. Then it bugged me.
16/09/2008 20:48:30 ‹Justin Sluder› um, just pointing out that Umber Hulks are not part of the SRD so, they won't be in the PFMM. right James Jacobs?
16/09/2008 20:48:30 ‹cappadocius› THE POINT OF ABERRATIONS IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE HUMANOID ANATOMIES!
16/09/2008 20:48:35 * cappadocius spasms.
16/09/2008 20:48:35 ‹Ross› The MM half- templates are fine, but most of the others are dumb.
16/09/2008 20:48:36 ‹James Jacobs› Actually, I LOVE the name eladrin. It's great! Guardinal is okay. What chaps my hide is how 4th edition stole the name from an existing category of monster and gave it to something new that didn't need that name.
16/09/2008 20:48:44 ‹cappadocius› yes!
16/09/2008 20:48:47 ‹James Jacobs› We can't use "eladrin" or "Guardinal" anyway; they're not open content.
16/09/2008 20:48:48 ‹cappadocius› YES!
16/09/2008 20:48:59 ‹cappadocius› I thought eladrin was an actual word?
16/09/2008 20:49:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› See, I don't mind "half" strange things because some of them aren't from mating, but from some strange experiment or the like.
16/09/2008 20:49:07 ‹James Jacobs› LG outsiders are archons. NG outsiders are agathions. CG outsiders are azatas.
16/09/2008 20:49:08 ‹yoda8myhead› they did that for more things than just eladrin
16/09/2008 20:49:12 ‹James Jacobs› Nope; eladrin was made up by D&D.
16/09/2008 20:49:12 ‹yoda8myhead› look at demons and devils
16/09/2008 20:49:18 ‹butterfrog› damn... my favorite outsiders just got banned from paizo...
16/09/2008 20:49:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Although, to be fair, there was aberration-spawned humans in Lovecraft too.
16/09/2008 20:49:28 ‹David› butterfrog,
16/09/2008 20:49:38 ‹Blazej› Eldarin were made by tolkien I think for the high elves.
16/09/2008 20:49:45 ‹cappadocius› wow, yeah.
16/09/2008 20:49:49 ‹butterfrog› Azatas? any thread where I can read some of them?
16/09/2008 20:49:50 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I hate to say it, but I am NEVER going to remember azata or agathion at the table.
16/09/2008 20:49:52 ‹Blazej› As opposed to the eladrin.
16/09/2008 20:50:01 ‹Ross› butterfrog, it's the same as Eladrin.
16/09/2008 20:50:10 ‹James Jacobs› Different spelling. Perhaps inspired the D&D version, but it's a different concept.
16/09/2008 20:50:17 ‹Mothman› KEJR: indeed there was
16/09/2008 20:50:21 ‹cappadocius› Actually, I'd have no problem with agathion.
16/09/2008 20:50:24 ‹James Jacobs› Azatas are mentioned a little in the Pathfinder hardcover.
16/09/2008 20:50:26 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, yep.
16/09/2008 20:50:28 ‹cappadocius› Azata seems to be the only made-up word there.
16/09/2008 20:50:33 ‹yoda8myhead› So James, since PF14 has been delayed, can you tell us a bit more about it? What's the Journal about/called? What's the set piece? Who wrote it? You know, the important stuff.
16/09/2008 20:50:39 ‹James Jacobs› In Pathfinder, ghaeles and bralani are both azatas.
16/09/2008 20:50:50 ‹Mothman› Agathion ... isn't that Sharon's last name?
16/09/2008 20:50:57 ‹James Jacobs› Azata isn't made up.
20:51:04 ‹James Jacobs› It's a corruption of Yazata.
16/09/2008 20:51:08 ‹cappadocius› Ahhhh.
16/09/2008 20:51:11 ‹cappadocius› Thanks!
16/09/2008 20:51:23 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, which is?
16/09/2008 20:51:24 ‹James Jacobs› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazata
16/09/2008 20:51:35 ‹Pygon› James - did Into the Darklands come out the way you hoped with all the ideas in the thread?
16/09/2008 20:51:39 ‹cappadocius› Mothman: It's an old occult term, for a familiar spirit.
16/09/2008 20:51:50 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, I was just about to post the same link.
16/09/2008 20:51:51 ‹James Jacobs› Agathion isn't made up either; it's from Greek myth, I believe. Animal or familiar spirit... yah
16/09/2008 20:52:04 ‹cappadocius› Like I said, Azata was the only word that looked made up.
16/09/2008 20:52:06 ‹Mothman› Cappa, cool, thanks.
16/09/2008 20:52:11 ‹cappadocius› I'm totally down with Yazatas.
16/09/2008 20:52:13 ‹yoda8myhead› Is that where Avistan came from, James? I see it in the first line of the link you just posted
16/09/2008 20:52:15 ‹butterfrog› Yeah! Eladrin just got Paizonized (which means cooler)
16/09/2008 20:52:18 ‹cappadocius› I'm going to CALL them that, you realize.
16/09/2008 20:52:24 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The journal in PF14 is about Eando exploring the darklands and encountering duergar, if I remember correctly. The set piece is a pirate ship by Ryan Nock, I think.
16/09/2008 20:52:48 ‹Ross› Alright. I'm going downt he SRD list for monsters I would not mind seeing cut from the Monster book.
16/09/2008 20:52:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› ::Still wishing they would have just gone with something like Sidhe for high elves::
16/09/2008 20:52:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ah well
16/09/2008 20:52:56 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Into the Darklands is shaping up to be pretty nifty! I wish I'd had about another 200 pages to talk about the stuff, though.
16/09/2008 20:53:06 ‹cappadocius› I wish they'd give us some friggin' stats for Sidhe.
16/09/2008 20:53:21 ‹Pygon› maybe it should have been a hardcover
16/09/2008 20:53:21 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Avistan was made up by Erik but I bet that's where he got the idea.
16/09/2008 20:53:29 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, quick little question which keeps popping into my head now and again, does the name Varisia in any way come from the planet Arisia from the Lensman books?
16/09/2008 20:53:40 ‹Ross› Achaierai, Aranea, Athach
16/09/2008 20:53:55 ‹James Jacobs› But we renamed the Yazatas to Azatas becasue that gave us three A words for the three good races. And the fourth, comprising all three good alignments (ANGELS) is also an A word.
16/09/2008 20:53:55 ‹yoda8myhead› There can always be a Return to the Darklands or Return of the Son of the Darklands, etc to get all that goodness in print someday
16/09/2008 20:54:01 ‹Daigle› Zoroastrian stuff is great inspiration
16/09/2008 20:54:02 ‹Hill Giant› I love Aranea. PF needs to find a cool niche for them
16/09/2008 20:54:06 ‹cappadocius› Achaierai have more seniority than MOST things in the MM, Ross.
16/09/2008 20:54:07 * Mairkurion joins Main
16/09/2008 20:54:14 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, are you going to list them here?
16/09/2008 20:54:18 ‹cappadocius› Aranea need a better name.
16/09/2008 20:54:21 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, yes.
16/09/2008 20:54:45 ‹Hill Giant› The mystaran aranea were cool
16/09/2008 20:54:46 ‹Ross› Cloaker and Darkmantle feel redundant
16/09/2008 20:54:51 ‹yoda8myhead›
16/09/2008 20:54:59 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, I appreciate the thematic unity there, but yeah, I'm gonna call 'em Yazata.
16/09/2008 20:55:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› Cloakers are nasty, scheeming bastards, Darkmantles just fall on you . . .
16/09/2008 20:55:10 ‹Ross› Delver
16/09/2008 20:55:10 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Nope; I've never read the Lensman books. "Varisia" is a word I made up. Probably stole it from something really small and minor in my homebrew world to the extent that I no longer remember what it was there.
16/09/2008 20:55:14 ‹cappadocius› Also, you need a D-term for "fiend" since you've got Devil, Demon, and MATT DAMON!
16/09/2008 20:55:36 ‹Mothman› Cloakers are cool
16/09/2008 20:55:50 ‹Mothman› sort of
16/09/2008 20:55:56 ‹Daigle› Chokers are better
16/09/2008 20:55:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› I really liked the Ecology for them in KQ
16/09/2008 20:56:00 ‹Pygon› until you put one on
16/09/2008 20:56:09 ‹James Jacobs› Thing to remember about the MM: most of the monsters in there are SOMEONE'S favorite. Especially the ones that have been through multiple editions. I suspect 95% of them will be in the PF RPG as a result.
16/09/2008 20:56:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Made me think of things the gnomes may have run from on their way from the First World.
16/09/2008 20:56:28 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa: exactly.
16/09/2008 20:56:33 ‹Ross› Digester, Dragonne, and Dragon TUrtle
16/09/2008 20:56:36 ‹James Jacobs› It's all about the alliteration for naming outsiders.
16/09/2008 20:56:37 ‹Daigle› Nice Pygon!
16/09/2008 20:56:49 ‹cappadocius› Gnomes came to this world because they were bored with the first world! They weren't running from anything! LIES! WE'LL SUE!
16/09/2008 20:57:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, rilmani got mentioned in the monster thread . . . are there going to be True Neutral outsider types in PF?
16/09/2008 20:57:09 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, okay. It was just a question that kept popping into my head from time to time. If you ever have the time I highly recommend them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lensman
16/09/2008 20:57:10 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, so, still working on the Evil D, then?
16/09/2008 20:57:12 ‹butterfrog› Rule of Three....
16/09/2008 20:57:30 ‹Ross› They don't need a D word for fiend: 'Angel' is a subclass of 'Good (any)' celestials. They just need a category of Evil (any) fiends (with a D name).
16/09/2008 20:57:52 ‹Pygon› butter - you caused me to shudder from 5 pages of errata.
16/09/2008 20:58:01 ‹cappadocius› Angel. Agathion. Azata. Archon.
16/09/2008 20:58:02 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Look at the 1st edition monster manuals and fiend folio for a preview. If an outsider race was represented there, chances are good they'll have a place in the first PF monster book. If they weren't, if they didn't show up until Planescape, chances are good they won't be in the first PF Monster Book.
16/09/2008 20:58:06 ‹cappadocius› Devil. Demon. MATT DAMON. fiend.
16/09/2008 20:58:13 ‹cappadocius› It's lying there like a turd, Ross.
16/09/2008 20:58:20 ‹James Jacobs› Neutral outsiders are a great example of one that I doubt'll be in the first book, for example.
16/09/2008 20:58:23 ‹Pygon› Diablos!
16/09/2008 20:58:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› My bad, I didn't so much mean in the first PF MM, but in the setting in general, especially if Outer Planes adventures start to occur.
16/09/2008 20:58:48 ‹Ross› cappadocius, Archon, Azata, Argothion, Celestial.
16/09/2008 20:58:48 * Fray joins Main
16/09/2008 20:58:52 ‹Ross› It still doesn't match.
16/09/2008 20:58:55 ‹Daigle› Howdy Fray!
16/09/2008 20:58:56 ‹cappadocius› NOT IN GOLARION.
16/09/2008 20:58:59 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Fray
16/09/2008 20:59:03 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> There is no analogy on the evil side for Angels. That's one way that Good has an advantage over evil.
16/09/2008 20:59:06 ‹cappadocius› Archon. Azata. Agathion. Angel.
16/09/2008 20:59:09 ‹Fray› hi gang
16/09/2008 20:59:11 ‹Fray› Lensman rock
16/09/2008 20:59:20 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, mm. So no equivalents to Gehereleths?
16/09/2008 20:59:25 ‹cappadocius› or Hags?
16/09/2008 20:59:35 ‹cappadocius› or other non-Blood War affiliated Evil Outsiders?
16/09/2008 20:59:36 ‹Justin Sluder› Fray,
16/09/2008 20:59:42 ‹James Jacobs› Demodands are in there. They're the gehereleths. Hags are in there too, but they're not fiends.
16/09/2008 20:59:43 ‹cappadocius› and yes I *know* there's no Blood War.
16/09/2008 20:59:48 ‹cappadocius› Demodands! Right.
16/09/2008 20:59:49 ‹Ross› cappadocius, A Deva is an Angel. It's also a celestial. A lantern archon is also a celestial, but is not an angel.
16/09/2008 21:00:01 ‹cappadocius› Are you listening to me? I'm talking about Golarion.
16/09/2008 21:00:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ross, unless you read the FRPG, in which case, a Deva is now an Aasimar . . . sigh
16/09/2008 21:00:27 ‹Daigle› I never liked the word fiend having such a game rules connotation. It was such a fun word to use without all that extra baggage.
16/09/2008 21:00:31 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, Demodand would be a nice term for non-affiliated fiends.
16/09/2008 21:00:42 ‹cappadocius› But, you say there are none.
16/09/2008 21:00:45 ‹cappadocius› I can deal with that.
16/09/2008 21:00:49 * Mairkurion quit
16/09/2008 21:00:50 ‹Pygon› It's not a Silverwing Evangelist?
16/09/2008 21:00:50 ‹Mothman› I think they're still all Celestials in Golarion ... just like the 3 Ds are all fiends in Golarion
16/09/2008 21:01:07 ‹Mothman› I could be wrong though
16/09/2008 21:01:08 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Demodands are off to the side. Not sure WHAT their role is yet. They're likely to end up a sub category of demon though.
16/09/2008 21:01:09 ‹Ross› cappadocius, I'll agree with you on that. Demodand would make a good name for an Evil Angel counterpart.
16/09/2008 21:01:18 ‹Hill Giant› I like the demondand in Sigil that was compiling a book to help mortals summon daemons.
16/09/2008 21:01:26 ‹Ross› ANd it would fit witht he 'D' scheme.
16/09/2008 21:01:40 ‹James Jacobs› Celestial and Fiend are antonyms. Celestial is a catch-all for "GOOD OUTSIDER" while Fiend is a catch all for "EVIL OUTSIDER"
16/09/2008 21:01:56 * Fray quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 21:02:08 * cappadocius nods.
16/09/2008 21:02:17 ‹cappadocius› It just seems odd that Angel has no antonym.
16/09/2008 21:02:25 ‹Daigle› James, any sexy new daemons on the horizon?
16/09/2008 21:02:30 ‹cappadocius› It makes sense if you think about it.
16/09/2008 21:02:40 * yoda8myhead quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 21:02:44 ‹James Jacobs› Not everything in the game has to be symmetrical. In fact, I like it when things aren't symmetrical.
16/09/2008 21:02:47 ‹Wyvern› I don't think things should match. Not as a rule.
16/09/2008 21:02:56 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> We just ordered an illustration of Nocticula, so yes.
16/09/2008 21:02:58 ‹butterfrog› Daigle, something like shemeska?
16/09/2008 21:03:05 ‹Daigle› Sweet
16/09/2008 21:03:11 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, you have a choatic alignment, then.
16/09/2008 21:03:11 ‹James Jacobs› OH! WAIT! Nocticula is a sexy demon, not a daemon.
16/09/2008 21:03:18 ‹James Jacobs› We DO have some daemons in the works though.
16/09/2008 21:03:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, and Good doesn't always act "just like evil, but opposite"
16/09/2008 21:03:20 ‹Daigle› Curses!
16/09/2008 21:03:23 ‹cappadocius› nature likes symmetry, but... anyway.
16/09/2008 21:03:25 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Probably true.
16/09/2008 21:03:25 ‹cappadocius› Dinosaurs!
16/09/2008 21:03:27 ‹cappadocius› Linnorms!
16/09/2008 21:03:35 ‹cappadocius› Are linnorms like dragon dinosaurs?
16/09/2008 21:03:38 ‹Daigle› I want to see Trelmarxian's crystal teeth!
16/09/2008 21:03:47 ‹James Jacobs› Linnorms are primeval dragons, yes.
16/09/2008 21:04:33 ‹cappadocius› Will they be in the dinosaur section of the PFMM?
21:04:41 ‹cappadocius› or the dragon section?
16/09/2008 21:04:43 ‹James Jacobs› No.
16/09/2008 21:04:49 ‹James Jacobs› They'll be in the Linnorm section.
16/09/2008 21:04:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'd love to see an ancient, grumpy linnorm trying to plot against an "upstart" true dragon.
16/09/2008 21:05:06 * Ross gets sidetracked frm his onster list. Aw, screw it. (No one was listening anyway.)
16/09/2008 21:05:12 ‹Daigle› Nice Knight
16/09/2008 21:05:14 ‹Fray› whoa... lag
16/09/2008 21:05:17 ‹James Jacobs› They're dragons,but they get treated like dragonnes and wyverns. They're their own thing.
16/09/2008 21:05:22 ‹yoda8myhead› please say that all animals won't be under "animal". That confuses me to this day
16/09/2008 21:05:29 * cappadocius tears his hair out.
16/09/2008 21:05:34 ‹Daigle› Dragon type 'dragons'?
16/09/2008 21:05:43 ‹James Jacobs› I'd LOVE to have animals (and the oozes and vermin) alphabeticial throughout.
16/09/2008 21:05:58 ‹Daigle› That's a wicked idea
16/09/2008 21:06:18 ‹James Jacobs› That's how the 1st edition MM worked, and that's my main source of inspiration for how a MM should feel.
16/09/2008 21:06:39 ‹Daigle› ...unless that's what made cappa tear his hair out, because that patchy look is so out.
16/09/2008 21:06:54 ‹Fray› kappa are fun mobs
16/09/2008 21:06:57 ‹yoda8myhead› what differentiates a linnorm from other dragons?
16/09/2008 21:07:06 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, fewer limbs?
16/09/2008 21:07:12 ‹James Jacobs› Linnorms don't have age categories.
16/09/2008 21:07:14 ‹cappadocius› I tear my hair out because a Gygaxian monster manual is a TERRIBLE way to organize things.
16/09/2008 21:07:16 ‹butterfrog› less legs and wings...
16/09/2008 21:07:22 ‹David› yoda8myhead, the spelling of the name...
16/09/2008 21:07:27 ‹yoda8myhead› still have breath weapons and all that?
16/09/2008 21:07:30 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> By which I mean alphabetical.
16/09/2008 21:07:30 ‹cappadocius› but it *is* traditional and the way most D&D gamers want 'em.
16/09/2008 21:07:37 ‹James Jacobs› Probably, yeah.
16/09/2008 21:07:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› And they hate it when those viking kids play on their lawns . . .
16/09/2008 21:08:08 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> It's also the way that's most logical from the most viewpoints. Listing monsters by type is confusing. I've seen monster books that do that, and they're HELL to navigate.
16/09/2008 21:08:14 ‹yoda8myhead› KEJ, if by "play" you mean rape and pillage, I can see why
16/09/2008 21:08:22 ‹James Jacobs› It's traditional because it works best.
16/09/2008 21:08:44 ‹yoda8myhead› cappa, it's not taxanomical, but easier to use for most people
16/09/2008 21:09:04 ‹cappadocius› I know, I know.
16/09/2008 21:09:08 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, I like creatures organized by type, because that's how I approach adventure building (I need a fey here, what are my options?)
16/09/2008 21:09:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› For some reason, and I don't know why, I picutre linnorns sleeping even more than true dragons . . . maybe even being kind of being in a kind of raging haze for the first few weeks after they wake up.
16/09/2008 21:09:22 ‹cappadocius› I *get* why they're done that way. I just hate it so much.
16/09/2008 21:09:33 ‹yoda8myhead› HG, a good index or table in an eppendix would do that trick
16/09/2008 21:09:44 * yoda8myhead can't type tonight
16/09/2008 21:10:29 ‹butterfrog› I prefer by type so its easier to build adventures like that but for quick finding it would be a killer... So alphabetical its better in the end...
16/09/2008 21:10:35 ‹James Jacobs› PIZZA ORDERED! Whew.
16/09/2008 21:10:46 ‹cappadocius› You can index alphabetically.
16/09/2008 21:11:00 ‹James Jacobs› For me... type doesn't matter at all in building adventures. I have the idea in mind, and if I get to a spot where I need a monster, it's to the list by CR that I go.
16/09/2008 21:11:13 ‹cappadocius› Heck, organize a MM by CR!
16/09/2008 21:11:14 ‹Ross› S'ok, yoda. I can never type.
16/09/2008 21:11:24 ‹James Jacobs› But that just proves that there's more than one way to build adventures, therefore there's not just one way to organize the book.
16/09/2008 21:11:24 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, what kind did you end up ordering?
16/09/2008 21:11:33 ‹cappadocius› I dunno. I guess most general use reference works go alphabetically.
16/09/2008 21:11:41 * Eyebite joins Main
16/09/2008 21:11:48 ‹Daigle› Eyebite!
16/09/2008 21:11:53 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa, the reason it's going to be alphabetical is because that way you have to only remember the monster's name to know where in the book it goes.
16/09/2008 21:11:54 ‹Hill Giant› How about individual 3-hole-punched sheets, so each person can organize it how they like?
16/09/2008 21:11:58 ‹Wyvern› Hmm... maybe Paizo can provide a csv or tab delimited file with monster name, type, CR, whatever and we can create our own indices.
16/09/2008 21:11:59 ‹Pygon› hi Eyebite
16/09/2008 21:12:08 ‹Eyebite› Daigle! Pygon!
16/09/2008 21:12:10 ‹Eyebite› The chat is back!
16/09/2008 21:12:11 ‹cappadocius› Hill Giant, that was TSR's best innovation.
16/09/2008 21:12:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› HG . . . that sounds familiar for some reason . . .
16/09/2008 21:12:23 ‹James Jacobs› Organizing by CR or type means that you have to memorize those values and attach them to the monster's name in your head. That sucks.
16/09/2008 21:12:34 ‹Hill Giant› The flaw was putting two monsters on each sheet...
16/09/2008 21:12:36 ‹James Jacobs› The pizza I have ordered is a chicken and jalapeno pizza
16/09/2008 21:12:36 ‹David› Eyebite, hi
16/09/2008 21:12:45 ‹Eyebite› Hey David
16/09/2008 21:12:47 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, we're not going to have a vast, boring section of Demon, Sherizan though, are we?
16/09/2008 21:12:54 ‹yoda8myhead› mmm, making me hungry James
16/09/2008 21:12:59 ‹cappadocius› Can it just be Sherizan and put appropriately alphabetical?
16/09/2008 21:13:00 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Nothing about demons are boring.
16/09/2008 21:13:02 ‹David› turn in your adventure?
16/09/2008 21:13:08 ‹Eyebite› when did the chat come back up?
16/09/2008 21:13:20 ‹butterfrog› cappa, how can you find demons boring?
16/09/2008 21:13:26 ‹cappadocius› A CR 14 demon is boring when you're planning for a level 3 adventure.
16/09/2008 21:13:28 ‹Eyebite› A couple of weeks ago David
16/09/2008 21:13:29 ‹David› this morning?
16/09/2008 21:13:39 ‹cappadocius› I don't find 'em boring.
16/09/2008 21:13:46 ‹cappadocius› I find twenty pages of them IN A ROW boring.
16/09/2008 21:13:51 ‹David› i thought your last day was the 15th...
16/09/2008 21:13:54 ‹James Jacobs› <boggle.
16/09/2008 21:13:58 ‹Eyebite› for playtesting notes
16/09/2008 21:14:06 ‹David› oh
16/09/2008 21:14:10 ‹butterfrog› cappadocius, well, in that way, a lot of monsters are boring...
16/09/2008 21:14:13 ‹cappadocius› Demon, Barbed; Demon, Sheherizan; Demon, Buggle.
16/09/2008 21:14:32 ‹James Jacobs› No matter HOW you organize a book... you're gonna get clumping. You can't escape it.
16/09/2008 21:14:35 ‹butterfrog› oks, now I see your point
16/09/2008 21:14:36 ‹James Jacobs› And that's that.
16/09/2008 21:14:41 ‹cappadocius› And then they're followed by twenty pages of Devil, Hooked; Devil, Red; Devil, Boggle.
16/09/2008 21:14:53 ‹cappadocius› And THEN, for EXTRA CRAZY MAKING, Dinosaurs are lumped into one section.
16/09/2008 21:14:58 ‹cappadocius› in the middle of the book.
16/09/2008 21:15:05 ‹James Jacobs› Dinosaurs won't be lumped in this book, though.
16/09/2008 21:15:11 ‹cappadocius› Good!
16/09/2008 21:15:14 ‹Rathendar› i never had a problem with animal and dinosaur headings
16/09/2008 21:15:14 ‹James Jacobs› They don't have special rules that apply to them as a race.
16/09/2008 21:15:22 ‹Justin Sluder› cappadocius, don't forget Dragons.........
16/09/2008 21:15:28 ‹cappadocius› I don't see why Demons and Devils need to be lumped in an alphabetical book, either.
16/09/2008 21:15:32 ‹Fray› cappadocius> I read that as "Demon Bugle"...
16/09/2008 21:15:39 ‹cappadocius› Justin, I can almost forgive dragons since they have Dragon in their name.
16/09/2008 21:15:44 ‹cappadocius› Nobody says Vrock Demon.
16/09/2008 21:15:46 ‹James Jacobs› Demons and devils and etc. do. They have shared features. THAT'S why they're clumped in a row, so we don't have to have the page that lists their shared immunities and abilities adrift somewhere random on the page.
16/09/2008 21:15:46 ‹Daigle› Fray, its a new magical item
16/09/2008 21:15:53 ‹cappadocius› but you get Demon, Vrock.
16/09/2008 21:15:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, I though they all had that special trait where they couldn't see you if you stood still . . . (I'm kidding, don't skewer me!)
16/09/2008 21:16:10 ‹cappadocius› Putting them altogether is grouping them by type!
16/09/2008 21:16:12 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> You can escape it... sort by skin tones... or name lengths
16/09/2008 21:16:17 ‹cappadocius› Aberrations all have shared features!
16/09/2008 21:16:20 ‹James Jacobs› We'll probably list it as Demon: Vrock
16/09/2008 21:16:27 ‹Daigle› Number of letters in their name.
16/09/2008 21:16:28 ‹cappadocius› Pick an organizational method and stick with it!
16/09/2008 21:16:31 ‹James Jacobs› That makes no sense, Cappa.
16/09/2008 21:16:35 ‹Fray› Daigle> Awesome! I want one!
16/09/2008 21:16:42 ‹James Jacobs› Aberrations are about the most diverse group of monsters there are.
16/09/2008 21:16:48 ‹Rathendar› eh, i dont see the problem cappa =/
16/09/2008 21:16:57 ‹Fray› Demon: V
16/09/2008 21:17:01 ‹Daigle› Fray, it's like a Horn of Vahalla but fiendish-like.
16/09/2008 21:17:05 ‹cappadocius› Fine. Animals all have shared features.
16/09/2008 21:17:09 ‹David› maybe diversity is a shared feature...
16/09/2008 21:17:21 ‹James Jacobs› ANYway, this conversation is pointless. We're gonna alphabatize them, and the argument is starting to annoy me in ways that playing Warcraft or Spore do not. SO! Time to change subjects!
16/09/2008 21:17:22 ‹yoda8myhead› As long as I get a Pathfinder Monster Book, I won't complain too much about how things are organized
16/09/2008 21:17:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Aberrations are one big group . . . the big group that demons belong to is Outsider, which share some traits, but not the specific ones that demons do.
16/09/2008 21:17:31 ‹Fray› For the Cthulhu fans: HTTP://ILIKESHINYOBJECTS.TUMBL...0431124
16/09/2008 21:17:39 ‹Pygon› I might like to see an index sorted by skin tone. There needs to be more aesthetics to adventure building.
16/09/2008 21:17:39 * Daigle flips the page.
16/09/2008 21:17:52 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Yeah, saw that earlier too, Fray. Good times.
16/09/2008 21:18:00 ‹Fray› Daigle> I want it to ooze green stanky goo when you blow it
16/09/2008 21:18:12 ‹Daigle› Sounds good to me, Fray.
16/09/2008 21:18:17 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, for the record, I prefer is alphabetized, so I'm on your side. But yes, moving on...
16/09/2008 21:18:24 ‹James Jacobs› What do folk think about including hazards in the Monster Book?
16/09/2008 21:18:25 ‹Ross› And spore is the best thing ever.
16/09/2008 21:18:29 ‹Justin Sluder› Fray,
16/09/2008 21:18:30 * cappadocius quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 21:18:33 ‹Ross› It's why I got nothing done last month.
16/09/2008 21:18:34 ‹James Jacobs› Giving Green Slime a page, for example.
16/09/2008 21:18:38 ‹Fray› Anyone pick up the Monsterpocalpse rule book already?
16/09/2008 21:18:39 ‹Ross› Err, week.
16/09/2008 21:18:40 ‹Daigle› Hazards like rockslides?
16/09/2008 21:18:41 * Blazej quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 21:18:43 ‹Daigle›
16/09/2008 21:18:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› If the hazard is a living thing, then yeah
16/09/2008 21:18:49 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, hazards belong in the same book as traps.
16/09/2008 21:18:50 ‹Mothman› James, is the Darklands book finished being written?
16/09/2008 21:18:58 ‹Rathendar› hmm, i dont feel strongly about that.
16/09/2008 21:19:01 ‹James Jacobs› Hazards like green slime, yellow mold, brown mold, rot grubs, piercers, and ear seekers.
16/09/2008 21:19:02 ‹Daigle› I'm with Knight, only if it's living.
16/09/2008 21:19:02 ‹yoda8myhead› Fray, I'll pretend I don't read too much into that statement
16/09/2008 21:19:05 ‹David› only if there is more room that the other book for hazards
16/09/2008 21:19:06 ‹Ross› Unless it's nebulously a creature, like a 'shrieker'.
16/09/2008 21:19:16 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yeah; the Darklands book is done. It's in final edits now.
16/09/2008 21:19:21 ‹Fray› yoda8myhead> Monsterpocalpse?
16/09/2008 21:19:22 ‹James Jacobs› Shrieker should be a hazard.
16/09/2008 21:19:24 ‹Rathendar› id be happy to have them, or not. but to me, more always = better where paizo product is'
16/09/2008 21:19:26 ‹Daigle› If it's a critter...put it in the book.
16/09/2008 21:19:35 ‹yoda8myhead› Fray, green goo when you blow it
16/09/2008 21:19:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Rot grubs . . .
16/09/2008 21:19:50 ‹Fray› yoda8myhead> Ah.... good man.
16/09/2008 21:19:50 ‹Mothman› James, I quite like the Hazards section in the ToH
16/09/2008 21:19:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› Book worms . . .
16/09/2008 21:19:57 ‹James Jacobs› They'd probably go into a section about Hazards. That'd probably be an appendix, like the templates maybe.
16/09/2008 21:19:59 ‹Ross› Hazards resemble traps more than they resemble monsters, and there's little enough room in the Monster book as is.
16/09/2008 21:20:02 ‹yoda8myhead› ok, so now that we're done with the monster topic, what next?
16/09/2008 21:20:06 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; the ToH hazard section seems good.
16/09/2008 21:20:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› I miss book worms . . .
16/09/2008 21:20:13 ‹Pygon› I made use of that section a bit when I converted some old 1e adventures
16/09/2008 21:20:22 ‹James Jacobs› The goal is, basically, to get green slime out of the ghetto it's in now in the DMG.
16/09/2008 21:20:56 ‹Daigle› I love slimes and molds and agree they need more respect.
16/09/2008 21:21:21 * Let's move on to spoilers
16/09/2008 21:21:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, if you keep the slicer beetle from the ToH, is it still going to maintain its history of limb dismemberment? I liked the TOH slicer beetle, but it felt more naster than 3.5 usually gets.
16/09/2008 21:21:32 ‹Daigle› David!
16/09/2008 21:21:39 ‹Daigle›
16/09/2008 21:21:43 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Limb dismemberment, alas, doesn't work well in D&D these days.
16/09/2008 21:21:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh good Lord I can't beleive I typed that sentance . . .
16/09/2008 21:21:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› or sentence for that matter.
16/09/2008 21:22:10 ‹David› Daigle, what?
16/09/2008 21:22:12 ‹James Jacobs› If we bring in the slicer beetle, I suspect he'll get rebuilt a little so that instead of lopping of hands and legs, he just has a SUPER BADASS crit attack.
16/09/2008 21:22:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› I've noticed 3.5 doesn't favor people being marred in that manner.
16/09/2008 21:22:23 * Daigle was accusing.
16/09/2008 21:22:40 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, 2-20/x4?
16/09/2008 21:22:44 ‹James Jacobs› It's because hit points don't track location damage. That makes things too complex, and the game is already too complex.
16/09/2008 21:22:47 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
16/09/2008 21:22:48 ‹Daigle›
16/09/2008 21:22:50 * David doesn't need to pretend to look ignorant...
16/09/2008 21:23:15 ‹Pygon› give it Power Attack, too.
16/09/2008 21:23:28 ‹Daigle› There is something fun about making a monk attack with a stump, however.
16/09/2008 21:23:35 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, do you have any news on RPG SuperStar 2?
16/09/2008 21:23:39 ‹James Jacobs› The bunyip's another example. In PF1 we fixed it so that instead of a vorpal bite it just has a nasty crit range. Then added flavor: If it kills you with its bite on a critical hit, your head is bitten off.
16/09/2008 21:23:42 ‹David› Justin Sluder, i can make a scimitar with a crit range of -9 to 20...
16/09/2008 21:23:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› Understood, as I said, it kind of felt "off" for 3.5, but I still kind of liked it.
16/09/2008 21:23:47 ‹James Jacobs› No news yeat about RPG Superstar 2.
16/09/2008 21:23:51 ‹David› think i'll hit
16/09/2008 21:23:52 ‹Ross› Yes, please, Superstar 2 news...I need a second go round!
16/09/2008 21:23:56 ‹Blazej› Daigle, but it might lead to black knight jokes.
16/09/2008 21:23:56 ‹Justin Sluder›
16/09/2008 21:24:10 ‹Daigle› Blazej...all too true.
16/09/2008 21:24:17 ‹James Jacobs› My guess is that it'll be starting up sometime soon. We want to try to get it in before the holidays, I think, but time is running out...
16/09/2008 21:24:19 ‹Mothman› Agh! Black Knight jokes...
16/09/2008 21:24:34 ‹Daigle› As if we need a reason for gamers to quote Monty Python at the table.
16/09/2008 21:24:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Man, you guys do like to juggle about a thousand different things at once, don't you?
16/09/2008 21:25:03 ‹David› Daigle, can i have a holy hand grenade?
16/09/2008 21:25:06 ‹Daigle› Who's in charge of getting Superstar2 up and running?
16/09/2008 21:25:13 ‹Daigle› David, absolutely not.
16/09/2008 21:25:22 ‹Daigle› And don't mention the count.
16/09/2008 21:25:26 ‹Daigle›
16/09/2008 21:25:28 ‹David› what if i see a rabbit?
16/09/2008 21:25:31 ‹Eyebite› I can't wait for Superstar 2
16/09/2008 21:25:36 ‹James Jacobs› Superstar2 is, I believe, Erik and maybe Lisa and Jeff.
16/09/2008 21:25:39 ‹CD@Home› David, only if you promise to hold it for the count of 5
16/09/2008 21:25:43 ‹James Jacobs› All three of whom are super busy.
16/09/2008 21:25:53 ‹Daigle› I can imagine.
16/09/2008 21:25:55 ‹James Jacobs› Hence part of the prollem.
16/09/2008 21:26:02 * butterfrog its dizzy with all the themes going on here...
16/09/2008 21:26:02 * Justin Sluder dumps a barrel of rabbits on David
21:26:23 * David uses his holy hand grenade...
16/09/2008 21:26:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› I really did like a lot of the ideas flying around in the last RPGS competition
16/09/2008 21:26:35 ‹CD@Home› David, they're just little bunnies
16/09/2008 21:27:00 * David should have used his negative nine to twenty crit range scimitar first...
16/09/2008 21:27:06 ‹Eyebite› I loved reading through the magic item thread that popped up
16/09/2008 21:27:23 ‹Daigle› Magic item thread?
16/09/2008 21:27:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› ::Wonders how many people will look at the PFRPG guidlines for monsters when the monster creation section opens up::
16/09/2008 21:27:35 ‹Ross› David, there's a Holy Hand Grenade is one of the modules: The Demon Within.
16/09/2008 21:27:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› I still need to get that one.
16/09/2008 21:27:47 ‹Eyebite› after superstar....all of the non-advancers, their magic items.
16/09/2008 21:27:58 ‹Daigle› Ahh.
16/09/2008 21:28:01 ‹Daigle› Gotcha
16/09/2008 21:28:04 ‹Crimson Jester› James, sorry my wife had me occupied with a tv show so I was not paying attention, but I was wondering about the Forlorn Elves do some of them reside in the Drow cities?
16/09/2008 21:28:07 ‹Daigle› I was there.
16/09/2008 21:28:11 ‹David› KnightErrantJR, Jason and a handfull of others (handful includes Paizo staff)
16/09/2008 21:28:14 ‹Eyebite› me too
16/09/2008 21:28:40 * Fray quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 21:28:54 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> No forlorn elves in the drow cities. Well... maybe for short periods of time... as prisoners, then as victims, and finally as undead or sacrifices or dinner.
16/09/2008 21:29:09 ‹Pygon› dinner!? ew!
16/09/2008 21:29:10 ‹Justin Sluder›
16/09/2008 21:29:10 ‹James Jacobs› Forlorn elves are still elves, after all. Drow hate them all.
16/09/2008 21:29:11 ‹Daigle› Ha!
16/09/2008 21:29:30 ‹Daigle› Drow are cannibals?
16/09/2008 21:29:38 ‹Daigle› Awesome!
16/09/2008 21:29:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, the poor Forlorn bastards are just more clueless as to why the drow hate them . . .
16/09/2008 21:29:44 ‹Pygon› only if they eat drow
16/09/2008 21:29:45 ‹Crimson Jester› Just wondering if they made a large slave population or not.
16/09/2008 21:29:56 ‹Daigle› Pygon...oh yeah.
16/09/2008 21:30:02 ‹James Jacobs› A drow wouldn't consider it cannibilism.
16/09/2008 21:30:16 * butterfrog pops out a Drow Crunchy elven eares snack bag and passes it out
16/09/2008 21:30:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› A comment popped into my head, but I'm trying hard not to follow through on it.
16/09/2008 21:30:23 ‹Pygon› I remember when I first started playing. Lizardmen eat humans!? They're cannibals!!
16/09/2008 21:30:29 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, yeah, they aren't eating drow.
16/09/2008 21:30:50 ‹James Jacobs› The vast majority of drow slaves are of Darkland races, like troglodytes or svirfneblin or duergar or skum or morlock. There's not that many surface folk at all down there.
16/09/2008 21:31:20 ‹Crimson Jester› do morlock raid the surface for "dinner"?
16/09/2008 21:31:24 ‹Daigle› I hear the svirfneblin resistance is strong and growing daily.
16/09/2008 21:31:27 ‹butterfrog› Morlock?! nice....
16/09/2008 21:31:40 ‹David› of course not! we have better tastes! and taste better...
16/09/2008 21:31:45 ‹James Jacobs› In some places, perhaps. But most morlocks raid upper levels of the darklands for dinner and never come out at all.
16/09/2008 21:31:52 ‹butterfrog› we taste like chicken
16/09/2008 21:31:56 ‹Daigle› I always had a soft spot for those little grey fellas.
16/09/2008 21:31:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, do orc spellcasters make any special masks, given that they like to wear masks on raids and such?
16/09/2008 21:32:19 ‹Blazej› How do you pronounce svirfneblin?
16/09/2008 21:32:22 ‹James Jacobs› Not as a rule, no.
16/09/2008 21:32:22 ‹Crimson Jester› Is there a large group of Ghouls living in the underworld?
16/09/2008 21:32:28 ‹James Jacobs› SVIRF neb lin
16/09/2008 21:32:35 ‹James Jacobs› And you say it like you're talking backwards.
16/09/2008 21:32:37 ‹David› Blazej, i pronounce it....incorrectly
16/09/2008 21:32:47 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> there are
16/09/2008 21:33:02 ‹James Jacobs› There's a city of the ghouls called Nemret Noktoria under Osirion.
16/09/2008 21:33:03 ‹Blazej› Thanks.
16/09/2008 21:33:17 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs,
16/09/2008 21:33:24 ‹Hill Giant› neblin
16/09/2008 21:33:29 ‹butterfrog› Great! I always picture darklands ghouls sort of Al-wadim style...sweet
16/09/2008 21:33:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› Do the civilized ghouls venerate Urgathoa? Or are they beyond deific concerns?
16/09/2008 21:33:35 ‹Crimson Jester› is it the pockets underworld or is it a large group of connected swiss cheese?
16/09/2008 21:33:40 ‹Eyebite› Nice! That means Nemret Noktoria can work as a stand in for Empire of the Ghouls
16/09/2008 21:34:08 ‹James Jacobs› There's actually a blog post going live at midnight that talks about how the Darklands work. Basically; there's 3 levels to the Darklands.
16/09/2008 21:34:58 ‹James Jacobs› The top level = Nar-Voth. It's isolated caverns connected by long tunnels. The middle level = Sekamina. That's the classic "walk from one continent to the other underground" underdark. The bottom level = Orv. That's where the WEIRD stuff is. Big BIG caverns with lost worlds and underground seas and the like.
16/09/2008 21:35:15 ‹butterfrog› I liked the idea of the lower dark its more like a "sealed" dark. Different
16/09/2008 21:35:23 ‹Crimson Jester› Oh ok, just ran into finance probleQuestions Questions Questions
16/09/2008 21:35:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› Underground seas is great . . . that just sounds cool.
16/09/2008 21:35:44 ‹Eyebite› very journey to the center of the earth
16/09/2008 21:35:49 ‹David› Orv sounds cool
16/09/2008 21:35:51 * Justin Sluder watched the new Journey to the Center of the Earth last night........it was okay for a 'family flick'
16/09/2008 21:35:57 ‹Crimson Jester› I once ran a campiagn about setting up trade routes through the undersea
16/09/2008 21:36:09 ‹James Jacobs› We have a smaller one in Sekamina: Lake Niranthin, the Dying Sea. It's under part of the Inner Sea. Then down Orvway we have the Sightless Sea that lurks under the Arcadian Ocean.
16/09/2008 21:36:14 ‹Pygon› Are the Orv portions interconnected or just pits from Sekamina?
16/09/2008 21:36:33 ‹James Jacobs› The Orv Vaults are connected via tunnels yes.
16/09/2008 21:37:10 ‹James Jacobs› One of the Orv Vaults has an entire range of mountains in it. And it's lit by enormous glowing but usually sleeping mu spores.
16/09/2008 21:37:33 ‹Pygon› that's a big honkin cave
16/09/2008 21:38:10 ‹Crimson Jester› Are their portals in the vaults to other worlds where if you are not carefull when you get out you end up someplace else?
16/09/2008 21:38:17 ‹James Jacobs› It is. The main entrance from above is via a Grand Canyon sized underground cavern. You fall into it, you eventaully fall throguh the roof into the Midnight Mountains, and looking down you see you're falling toward the tops of a ragged line fo mountains.
16/09/2008 21:38:41 ‹James Jacobs› There's a portal to the Plane of Earth in one of the vaults, a place called the Crystal Womb.
16/09/2008 21:39:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nothing like adventuring in a woumb . . .
16/09/2008 21:39:03 ‹James Jacobs› But mostly, no; the Vaults of Orv are pretty much a closed world.
16/09/2008 21:39:22 ‹Eyebite› Sweet..how much of this are we going to see in the current AP?
16/09/2008 21:39:26 ‹James Jacobs› As in, there are as many portals to other worlds there as there are above.
16/09/2008 21:39:52 ‹James Jacobs› Second Darkness spends 2 whole adventures in the Darklands. One in a drow city, one in an Orvian Vault known as the Land of Black Blood.
16/09/2008 21:40:02 ‹Pygon› sweeeet
16/09/2008 21:40:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› There's a question I forgot about . . . James, are there any figures that are similar Ningauble or Sheelba from Newhon . . . alien weird wizards that seem like they know as much about other worlds as they do about the one they seem to live in?
16/09/2008 21:40:13 ‹Justin Sluder› any chance for an entire AP set in Orv?
16/09/2008 21:40:14 ‹Eyebite› nice
16/09/2008 21:40:16 ‹James Jacobs› So, About a third of Second Darkness is Darkland.
16/09/2008 21:40:21 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> That would be cool.
16/09/2008 21:40:26 ‹James Jacobs› So yes, there is indeed a chance.
16/09/2008 21:40:34 ‹Justin Sluder›
16/09/2008 21:40:36 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> There are.
16/09/2008 21:40:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . I loved those guys . . .
16/09/2008 21:40:53 ‹James Jacobs› We've mentioned a few here and there. Baba Yaga is one of them. Nex and Geb are as well. There are others too.
16/09/2008 21:40:54 ‹butterfrog› Great! luv darklands adventures!
21:42:16 ‹James Jacobs› Heh. Leiber's one of the main sources of inspiration for Golarion, actually.
16/09/2008 21:42:34 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, I mentioned Baba Yaga to one of my players and he's excited to hear more. How long before more info will be out for her/it?
16/09/2008 21:42:36 * Ross quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 21:42:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› I have to be honest, I liked Leiber's stories when I was younger more than Lovecraft or Howard.
16/09/2008 21:43:03 * Justin Sluder still needs to read some Leiber
16/09/2008 21:43:25 ‹James Jacobs› There's a bit about her in the Campaign Setting hardcover... but that's all for now. Fortunately... there's already a LOT written about her in the game, and pretty much all of that would fit in perfectly into Golarion.
16/09/2008 21:43:32 * Russ is AFK, going to the airp changes his/her nickname to Russ
16/09/2008 21:43:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› I loved Conan, but Fafhrd and Mouser had a sense of humor to them as well.
16/09/2008 21:43:48 * Russ really likes Leiber too
16/09/2008 21:43:52 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 21:43:53 ‹James Jacobs› Leiber had a GREAT sense of humor. His stories are very irreverent.
16/09/2008 21:43:59 ‹Russ› One of his shorts is just great...something like Gonna Roll Them Bones
16/09/2008 21:44:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› Fafhrd and Mouser are the iconic D&D style adventurers really.
16/09/2008 21:44:42 ‹Ross› G'night everyone. James, thanks for coming out, as always.
16/09/2008 21:44:44 ‹James Jacobs› They are. In fact, the concept of the rogue and thieves' guilds is pretty much 100% from Leiber.
16/09/2008 21:44:56 ‹Justin Sluder› Ross, take care.
16/09/2008 21:45:00 ‹Pygon› bye Ross
16/09/2008 21:45:03 * Ross quit
16/09/2008 21:45:04 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya!
16/09/2008 21:45:08 ‹James Jacobs› TOO LATE
16/09/2008 21:45:13 ‹Pygon›
16/09/2008 21:45:14 ‹butterfrog› he's fast
16/09/2008 21:45:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . there are parts about what skills theives learn that I think got lifted wholesale into D&D from those books.
16/09/2008 21:45:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Ross
16/09/2008 21:45:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Dang it.
16/09/2008 21:45:28 ‹Russ› that's why it makes the list in the DMG
16/09/2008 21:45:44 ‹James Jacobs› And wererats. And the true seeing spell.
16/09/2008 21:46:12 ‹James Jacobs› And with the urdefhans (a new race tha lives in Orv), Leiber's clear-skinned ghouls get some love too!
16/09/2008 21:46:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› And adventurers not needing that much motivation to try and look for ways to get into trouble . . .
16/09/2008 21:46:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Seriously? That is truely awesome James
16/09/2008 21:46:49 ‹Pygon› so now we get paralyzed AND have to see their organs...
16/09/2008 21:46:50 ‹David›
16/09/2008 21:47:22 ‹David› PYGON, and see them swell as the eat you alive! (i'd assume)
16/09/2008 21:47:42 ‹Russ› PYGON - Leiber's ghouls didn't paralyze
16/09/2008 21:47:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› (New pet peeve . . . people that constantly want really really deep reasons for their PCs to adventure . . . they are adventurers . . . they should be doing it for the hell of it our they shouldnt' be adventurers . . . at least to a degree)
16/09/2008 21:47:50 ‹Russ› And they were alive
16/09/2008 21:47:55 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. The urdefhans are a new underdark race. They're spawned by the daemons in mockery of life. They have "un-souls" made of negative energy that constantly try to kill them; an urdefhan is healed by negative energy and if it gets in a bind, he can give up the ghost and let the energy kill him and blast out to zap or heal those around him.
16/09/2008 21:48:05 ‹James Jacobs› Plus, they have scary swords and blood drinking powersl.
16/09/2008 21:48:48 ‹butterfrog› Wow, that's a great idea Mr Jacobs!
16/09/2008 21:48:57 ‹James Jacobs› Yay!
16/09/2008 21:49:18 ‹David›
16/09/2008 21:49:29 ‹James Jacobs› The urdefhans are a living irony. A life form created to spread death.
16/09/2008 21:49:29 ‹Crimson Jester› Scary Silver Swords?
16/09/2008 21:49:34 ‹Blazej› Sooo... what CG?
16/09/2008 21:49:37 ‹Russ› So, not too much in common with a newhon ghoul other than the see-through skin and organs?
16/09/2008 21:49:58 ‹James Jacobs› Sort of. They're a little like githyanki in that they have scary swords and their armor looks like mummy wrappings, but that's about it.
16/09/2008 21:50:05 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> correct
16/09/2008 21:50:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› Wondering if they wear makeup in order to appear human?
16/09/2008 21:50:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› If the need to that is.
16/09/2008 21:50:28 ‹James Jacobs› Part Newhon ghoul, part githyanki, part daemon, part brand new.
16/09/2008 21:50:35 ‹James Jacobs› They don't have much contact with humanity.
16/09/2008 21:50:53 ‹James Jacobs› But they have sharp teeth and jaws that open almost up to the ears, so they'll need more than makeup to sneak into the city.
16/09/2008 21:50:58 * butterfrog knows a few girls ho wears makeup to appear human...
16/09/2008 21:51:00 ‹yoda8myhead› will we see them in the current AP?
16/09/2008 21:51:00 ‹Pygon› I'm picturing a skull with eyes and musculature and a clear gloss over it all...
16/09/2008 21:51:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› Probably good for humanity from what it sounds like . . .
16/09/2008 21:51:07 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, what creature type are they?
16/09/2008 21:51:21 ‹James Jacobs› They're native outsiders.
16/09/2008 21:51:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Cause there humanoids that have had outsiders tinker with their souls . . .
16/09/2008 21:51:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› makes sense
16/09/2008 21:52:23 ‹James Jacobs› They were actually created whole-cloth by the daemons. They were never human, but built in man's image.
16/09/2008 21:52:30 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, can you tell us anything more about Legacy of Fire?
16/09/2008 21:52:31 ‹Hill Giant› Hmm... (obliquely) are there any native outsiders that aren't (part) humanoid?
16/09/2008 21:52:48 ‹butterfrog› yay! let go into legacy of fire!
16/09/2008 21:52:55 ‹James Jacobs› None come to mind, Hill Giant, but I'm sure there are.
16/09/2008 21:53:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Daemons have strange hobbies . . .
16/09/2008 21:53:15 ‹Mothman› its good to have a hobby
16/09/2008 21:53:18 ‹James Jacobs› What do ya wanna know about Legacy of Fire?
16/09/2008 21:53:28 ‹Eyebite› everything
16/09/2008 21:53:33 ‹Blazej› Is there fire?
16/09/2008 21:53:39 ‹Pygon› I'll be reading it, so have at it.
16/09/2008 21:54:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› Are gnolls integral, or are they kind of like goblins in Rise of the Runelords, where they kind of jump start the AP and then move aside?
16/09/2008 21:54:17 ‹David› PYGON, going to run it?
16/09/2008 21:54:19 ‹James Jacobs› The first adventure starts out with a sort of hommage to the old Chalenge of Champions adventures, for one. And there's a lot of gnolls. And little buggers called jackal rats. And a cute merchant princess. And more gnolls. And probably an ankheg in a key spot.
16/09/2008 21:54:20 ‹Hill Giant› Will we get stats for marids and shaitan?
16/09/2008 21:54:22 ‹Russ› You mean prime material outsiders? None come to mind. There are definitely outsiders without humanoid features, tho.
16/09/2008 21:54:35 ‹Pygon› David - someday. but not immediately unless that's the plan
16/09/2008 21:54:39 ‹James Jacobs› Gnolls are more integral to this plot than goblins were to Runelords.
16/09/2008 21:54:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› A trained ankheg?
16/09/2008 21:54:55 ‹James Jacobs› But genies are the main thing in Legacy of Fire.
16/09/2008 21:55:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Cool . . . I like gnolls (not that I didn't like goblins)
16/09/2008 21:55:16 ‹butterfrog› great! Al-qadim like or osirion like?
21:55:20 * David pretends hes 'in charge'
16/09/2008 21:55:50 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> There'll be stats for the shaitan in Pathfinder 18, by the end of Second Darkness, actually. And Marids are already out there; we'll be using the Tome of Horrors 3 for them. In any event, all of them genie types get some screen time in Legacy of Fire.
16/09/2008 21:55:56 ‹Justin Sluder› what other places will the PCs end up during LoF?
16/09/2008 21:55:58 ‹Eyebite› In what chapter do genies make their first appearance? (If you can say)
16/09/2008 21:56:08 ‹Mothman› Challenge of Champions homage? Sounds interesting....
16/09/2008 21:56:15 ‹James Jacobs› Butterfrog> More Al-qadim than osirion, but still a pretty big dose of Osirion anyway.
16/09/2008 21:56:24 ‹Pygon› will there be super genies, like Efreet Pasha?
16/09/2008 21:56:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› So do Marids stay CN and Shaitans do the NE thing like Dao?
16/09/2008 21:56:30 ‹Crimson Jester› Is there any adventure time in the magic blasted wastelands?
16/09/2008 21:56:35 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebyte> I'm not sure yet. At the earliest, genies will appear by the 2nd adventrue.
16/09/2008 21:57:00 * CD@Home quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 21:57:04 ‹David› heh
16/09/2008 21:57:04 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> The campaign's set mostly in Katapesh, with perhaps a bit of plane hopping.
16/09/2008 21:57:13 ‹James Jacobs› There will be super genies, yes.
16/09/2008 21:57:18 ‹Pygon› yay!
16/09/2008 21:57:28 ‹James Jacobs› Marids are CN. Djinni are CG. Shaitans are LN. Efreeti are LE.
16/09/2008 21:57:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› Makes a bit more sense.
16/09/2008 21:57:57 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson > Nope; not going to the magic blasted wastelands at all.
16/09/2008 21:58:06 ‹Hill Giant› LN? hmm
16/09/2008 21:58:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› I always felt like Djinn were the odd genies out in the old scheme of things.
16/09/2008 21:58:29 ‹Justin Sluder› but, Katapesh is like 1/3 the size of Varisia! They need to get out and see the wurld!
16/09/2008 21:58:46 ‹James Jacobs› And we set 3 adventure paths in Varisia, each taking up about a 3rd.
16/09/2008 21:59:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› Speaking of weird alien merchants, since Mercane are OGL, are they getting used for anything?
16/09/2008 21:59:12 ‹Justin Sluder› damn you and your illogical math
16/09/2008 21:59:44 ‹James Jacobs› Mercane are OGL, but we've got a new monster that fills that role. A couple, in fact. One is the denizen from Leng. Another is the witchwyrd which is detailed in Pathfinder 14.
16/09/2008 21:59:45 * Justin Sluder is joking
16/09/2008 21:59:54 ‹Mothman› James, what about Dao? Are they not Open Content?
16/09/2008 21:59:58 * butterfrog its pretty excited to get started with Legacy of Fire! I just bought all the AL-Qadim PDFs in paizo a few months back...
16/09/2008 22:00:19 ‹Skeld› goodnight all, it's past my bedtime
16/09/2008 22:00:20 ‹yoda8myhead› How much backstory will we get on Sokaris? I want to know more about the previous gnoll invasion and the battles the restulted
16/09/2008 22:00:30 ‹Pygon› gnite skeld
16/09/2008 22:00:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Probably a good thing . . . its hard for me to shake Mercane/Arcane from their Spelljammer roots.
16/09/2008 22:00:37 ‹James Jacobs› Dao are not open content. More than that... "dao" is not a real word. It's not a genie-associated thing in any event. Shaitans, though, are.
16/09/2008 22:00:55 ‹butterfrog› ciao skeld
16/09/2008 22:00:57 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> No backstory on Sokaris at all, I suspect. Mabye a LITTLE... but not much.
16/09/2008 22:01:16 ‹James Jacobs› The first adventure starts in Sothis though, so there'll be a bit about the gnoll wars.
16/09/2008 22:01:17 * PYGON has Day-O stuck in his head again.
16/09/2008 22:01:24 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, has it been revealed what's at the bottom of 'The Mobhad Leigh' in Varisia yet?
16/09/2008 22:01:26 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya, Skeld!
16/09/2008 22:01:31 * Skeld quit
16/09/2008 22:01:38 ‹Eyebite› Nice....is the Black Dome involved at all?
16/09/2008 22:01:47 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Into the Darklands lays it all out what's down there at the bottom of the Mobhand Leigh.
16/09/2008 22:01:53 ‹James Jacobs› HINT: It's connected to Viperwall.
16/09/2008 22:01:56 ‹Blazej› Do you think it would be a good idea to insert Sha-Ir NPCs or PCs into the Legacy?
16/09/2008 22:01:57 ‹Eyebite› I was hoping we'd learn more about Sothis sooner rather than later
16/09/2008 22:02:01 ‹Justin Sluder› sweet
16/09/2008 22:02:11 ‹James Jacobs› DOH! Wait.
16/09/2008 22:02:15 ‹Crimson Jester› The World Serpant?
16/09/2008 22:02:19 ‹James Jacobs› The adventure starts in SOLKU, in Katapesh. Not Sothis.
16/09/2008 22:02:25 ‹Pygon› aw
16/09/2008 22:02:27 ‹Eyebite› Ah
16/09/2008 22:02:30 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: We'll be talking a bit about that big beetle anyway by the end...
16/09/2008 22:02:35 ‹yoda8myhead› We'll get Sothis info in the Osirion book too, I assume
16/09/2008 22:02:40 ‹James Jacobs› yup
16/09/2008 22:02:42 ‹Eyebite› hah! cool
16/09/2008 22:03:04 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, Sarku is what I meant instead of Sokaris. I don't even know where I got that name. Is that a real place in Golarion?
16/09/2008 22:03:05 ‹James Jacobs› Sothis is detailed in "Osirion: Land of the Pharaohs" which is comign out in December, IIRC
16/09/2008 22:03:11 * butterfrog is getting sleepy but doesn't want to miss anything...
16/09/2008 22:03:24 ‹James Jacobs› Sarku is not a place in Golarion that I recognize.
16/09/2008 22:03:33 ‹James Jacobs› But I certainly don't have all of Golarion memorized.
16/09/2008 22:03:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Sarku is that place I go to in the Mall to get teryaki chicken . . .
16/09/2008 22:04:17 ‹yoda8myhead› wait, Sarku, or the one I made up? Cause Sarku is in katapesh. Where Seelah became a Paladin
16/09/2008 22:04:17 * it is not late (in Germany) joins Main
16/09/2008 22:04:17 ‹Eyebite› I love Osirion....I would even advocate for an "O" series of modules
16/09/2008 22:04:32 ‹it is not late (in Germany)› hi all
16/09/2008 22:04:38 ‹yoda8myhead› hello
16/09/2008 22:04:39 ‹Justin Sluder› it is not late (in Germany), howdy
16/09/2008 22:04:44 ‹Pygon› hi olli
16/09/2008 22:04:45 ‹James Jacobs› Seelah is from Solku. Not Sarku.
16/09/2008 22:04:53 ‹Wyvern› olli!
16/09/2008 22:04:54 ‹Justin Sluder› Eyebite, O O O O
16/09/2008 22:04:57 ‹James Jacobs› That's where the adventure starts anyway.
16/09/2008 22:05:05 ‹butterfrog› hola
16/09/2008 22:05:11 * Russ decides to give Fringe a try
16/09/2008 22:05:20 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> We've got another Osirion adventure coming out in a few months, so yay!
16/09/2008 22:05:27 ‹Eyebite› I know!
16/09/2008 22:05:37 ‹Pygon› J4, which Yasha will punish us with... again.
16/09/2008 22:05:47 ‹butterfrog› great! more osirion,.. no wonder everybody has osirion PCs....
16/09/2008 22:05:49 * seekerofshadowlight joins Main
16/09/2008 22:05:53 ‹Eyebite› Fringe was ...odd....I was like "Whoa, it's Pacey, and he's kicking ass" - It was hard for me to buy
16/09/2008 22:06:04 ‹Pygon› hi seeker
16/09/2008 22:06:06 ‹butterfrog› speaking of osirion PCs...hi seeker!
16/09/2008 22:06:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› I didn't see THAT many Osirions . . .
16/09/2008 22:06:09 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey all
16/09/2008 22:06:12 ‹it is not late (in Germany)› hi seeker
16/09/2008 22:06:14 * Justin Sluder wishes advanced human cloning and brain copying was fully developed
16/09/2008 22:06:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey seeker
16/09/2008 22:06:24 ‹David› battery dieing!
16/09/2008 22:06:30 ‹butterfrog› hehehe, I was beign sarcastic... I had to make many osirions...
16/09/2008 22:06:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey PYGON butterfrog, it is not late (in Germany), KnightErrantJR,
16/09/2008 22:06:31 ‹David› Bye (soonish)
16/09/2008 22:06:32 ‹Justin Sluder› We need more awesome from Paizo!
16/09/2008 22:06:41 ‹Justin Sluder› seekerofshadowlight, hiyas
22:06:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey justin
16/09/2008 22:06:51 ‹David› seekerofshadowlight, hi till im gone, then bye
16/09/2008 22:06:52 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'll open the Awesome spigot a little wider...
16/09/2008 22:06:53 ‹butterfrog› adios!
16/09/2008 22:07:10 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, Do you think it would be a good places to insert sha-ir NPCs when we are running Legacy of Fire?
16/09/2008 22:07:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Uh oh . . . awesome spigot time . . .
16/09/2008 22:07:23 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah there is hope i may get to use that pc in oct hugo
16/09/2008 22:07:42 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Sure! We'll actually be running a few articles during Legacy of Fire that talk about genie-type magic too.
16/09/2008 22:07:49 ‹Justin Sluder› David, take care
16/09/2008 22:08:05 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya david
16/09/2008 22:08:13 ‹Mothman› agh. Have to go. Later guys
16/09/2008 22:08:17 ‹it is not late (in Germany)› Bye David (Ithaniar will soon be healed)
16/09/2008 22:08:23 * Mothman changes his/her nickname to Moth working
16/09/2008 22:08:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› Always thought Sha'ir sounded cool, but I never played enough (as a player) to try one out.
16/09/2008 22:08:30 ‹Blazej› Yay!
16/09/2008 22:08:30 ‹it is not late (in Germany)› Bye Moth
16/09/2008 22:08:32 ‹Justin Sluder› cya Moth
16/09/2008 22:08:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› the pic looks good so far butterfrog, did the links help any?
16/09/2008 22:08:34 ‹butterfrog› Seeker, I hope is finished (corrected) by then
16/09/2008 22:08:41 ‹Eyebite› later David
16/09/2008 22:08:43 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol
16/09/2008 22:08:56 ‹butterfrog› later moth
16/09/2008 22:08:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› its all good
16/09/2008 22:09:07 * PYGON waits for the awesome
16/09/2008 22:09:25 ‹butterfrog› seeker, jeps, I'll improve the sash soon
16/09/2008 22:09:33 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i liked the khopesh really well
16/09/2008 22:09:53 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah I ran with the whole prayer sash ideal
16/09/2008 22:10:07 * David wonders which will come first a dead battery or teh awesome
16/09/2008 22:10:17 ‹Hill Giant› Well, I gotta go. Bye, folks!
16/09/2008 22:10:25 ‹David› Hill Giant, bye!
22:10:27 ‹butterfrog› bye HG
16/09/2008 22:10:27 ‹Eyebite› G'night HG
16/09/2008 22:10:34 ‹Justin Sluder› Hill Giant, cya
16/09/2008 22:10:42 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I liked the thought of an orsion PC useing one so ran with it
16/09/2008 22:10:47 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya HG
16/09/2008 22:11:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› d
16/09/2008 22:11:36 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 22:11:38 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, these are some of butterfrog's work: HTTP://BUTTERFROG.DEVIANTART.C...8023661 HTTP://BUTTERFROG.DEVIANTART.C...7635585 HTTP://BUTTERFROG.DEVIANTART.C...7336177 HTTP://BUTTERFROG.DEVIANTART.C...6872383
16/09/2008 22:11:56 ‹seekerofshadowlight› he does sweet work
16/09/2008 22:12:04 * Daigle returns.
16/09/2008 22:12:05 * David quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 22:12:09 * butterfrog gets ashamed and dives into the pond
16/09/2008 22:12:13 ‹Justin Sluder› wb Daigle
16/09/2008 22:12:17 ‹Eyebite› wb Daigle!
16/09/2008 22:12:20 ‹Daigle› Gracias Justin
16/09/2008 22:12:24 ‹Daigle› and Joshua
16/09/2008 22:12:26 ‹Pygon› those are really really nice
16/09/2008 22:12:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› and HTTP://BUTTERFROG.DEVIANTART.C...8023661
16/09/2008 22:12:56 ‹Justin Sluder› seekerofshadowlight, that's the first link
16/09/2008 22:12:59 ‹yoda8myhead› James, do you know if Steve Prescott is going to be doing the covers for LoF? If not, I would like to request a path with Eva Widermann portraits.
16/09/2008 22:13:18 ‹butterfrog› that would be nice yoda
16/09/2008 22:13:18 ‹Pygon› I think James is mesmerized by the Awesome
16/09/2008 22:13:25 ‹seekerofshadowlight› no justin
16/09/2008 22:13:32 ‹James Jacobs› We have a new artist doing the covers for Legacy of Fire.
16/09/2008 22:13:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its just SO awesome . . .
16/09/2008 22:13:45 ‹James Jacobs› I can't remember his name... but those of you who have seen the Descent board game have seen his work.
16/09/2008 22:13:46 ‹it is not late (in Germany)› graet art
16/09/2008 22:13:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› And he doesn't have a bard to do that distracting performance thing . . .
16/09/2008 22:13:56 ‹Eyebite› That's why one should never stare directly at the awesome
16/09/2008 22:14:09 ‹James Jacobs› Eva Widermann will continue to do art for us as long as she wants. She's SUPER AWESOME as far as I can tell.
22:14:50 ‹James Jacobs› Those are pretty cool, butterfrog! Well done!
16/09/2008 22:14:54 * butterfrog wonders what awesome is everybody talking about...somehow I got lost
16/09/2008 22:15:26 ‹yoda8myhead› butterfrog, do you do color character sketches too, or just pencil?
16/09/2008 22:15:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Legacy of Fire. if I had to guess
16/09/2008 22:15:33 ‹butterfrog› thaks Mr Jacobs, I'm trying improve
16/09/2008 22:15:55 ‹butterfrog› I'm coloring too, but I'm still working on those
16/09/2008 22:16:06 ‹yoda8myhead› I bet they take a long time
16/09/2008 22:17:04 ‹Justin Sluder› hot HTTP://WWW.EVA-WIDERMANN.DE/I/174.JPG
16/09/2008 22:17:05 ‹butterfrog› jeps, specially if you don't practice often...like me
16/09/2008 22:17:52 ‹Rathendar› those are really nice, butterfrog
16/09/2008 22:18:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah they are
16/09/2008 22:18:21 ‹butterfrog› it is not late (in Germany), thanks
16/09/2008 22:18:25 ‹Pygon› James - any questions for us?
16/09/2008 22:18:30 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm.
16/09/2008 22:18:32 ‹yoda8myhead› Justin Sluder, Eva herself isn't that bad either
16/09/2008 22:18:45 ‹Justin Sluder› yoda8myhead, I've seen the blog
16/09/2008 22:18:47 ‹it is not late (in Germany)› not too shabby...
16/09/2008 22:18:49 ‹James Jacobs› None come to mind.
16/09/2008 22:19:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› she does do good work
16/09/2008 22:19:08 ‹yoda8myhead› has your pizza arrived yet?
16/09/2008 22:19:19 ‹James Jacobs› I'm actually about to head out, I think... Any last minute questions? And I hope I didn't scare off cappa a while back....
16/09/2008 22:19:27 ‹James Jacobs› Pizza did! Chicken & Jalapeno
16/09/2008 22:19:30 ‹Pygon› glad to hear Josh is doing better, and that noone else fell ill
16/09/2008 22:19:33 ‹it is not late (in Germany)› is there going to be an area where we can post files for modules and Pathfinder issues?
16/09/2008 22:19:43 ‹butterfrog› Rathendar, thanks
16/09/2008 22:19:44 ‹James Jacobs› Eventually, yes.
16/09/2008 22:19:48 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, cappa'll be okay. He's just 'different'.
16/09/2008 22:19:53 ‹James Jacobs› They're working on getting part of the website up for that type o' stuff.
16/09/2008 22:19:54 ‹it is not late (in Germany)› Good!
16/09/2008 22:20:15 * butterfrog thinks Mr Jacobs did scared cappa...too bad
16/09/2008 22:20:25 ‹Pygon› just one quickie question - eager to get Lich King?
16/09/2008 22:20:34 ‹Pygon› er Witch King, or whatever...
16/09/2008 22:20:34 * Absinth joins Main
16/09/2008 22:20:40 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, take care and enjoy the pizza.
16/09/2008 22:20:43 ‹Russ› Did SKR ever get his pie?
16/09/2008 22:20:49 ‹Absinth› Good morning!
16/09/2008 22:20:54 ‹Pygon› hi Absinth
16/09/2008 22:21:03 ‹yoda8myhead› yeah, what was with the pie request in the blog?
16/09/2008 22:21:03 ‹Justin Sluder› thanks for stopping in, feel free to do it more often given time
16/09/2008 22:21:08 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
22:21:09 * Rathendar quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 22:21:10 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Absinth
16/09/2008 22:21:16 ‹Pygon› doh
16/09/2008 22:21:18 ‹it is not late (in Germany)› Hi Andre
16/09/2008 22:21:26 ‹Pygon› uh, gnite James
16/09/2008 22:21:26 ‹seekerofshadowlight› dont worry james everyone scare cappa off at lest once
16/09/2008 22:21:27 ‹Absinth› Hi Olli
16/09/2008 22:21:54 ‹James Jacobs› Woah... that was weird.
16/09/2008 22:21:56 ‹yoda8myhead› I scared him by quoting Rush today
16/09/2008 22:22:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› did not know that was you olli
16/09/2008 22:22:06 * butterfrog scared Sharoth in a thread and wants to apologize...
16/09/2008 22:22:19 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i ran him off last night with spelling if ya recall
16/09/2008 22:22:21 * Crimson Jester quit (timeout)
16/09/2008 22:22:24 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, welcome back and take care
16/09/2008 22:22:28 ‹James Jacobs› ANYway... I'm out! I'll talk to ya all next time!
16/09/2008 22:22:31 * Justin Sluder is leaving too
16/09/2008 22:22:33 ‹Justin Sluder› have fun all
16/09/2008 22:22:36 ‹Pygon› thanks again James
16/09/2008 22:22:36 ‹Justin Sluder› g'night
16/09/2008 22:22:39 ‹butterfrog› adios señor jacobs
16/09/2008 22:22:40 ‹yoda8myhead› ok, bye James
16/09/2008 22:22:44 ‹Rathendar› great infos james, ty much
16/09/2008 22:22:44 ‹butterfrog› bye justin
16/09/2008 22:22:44 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya james
16/09/2008 22:22:45 ‹yoda8myhead› see you next week
16/09/2008 22:22:45 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin the er
16/09/2008 22:22:48 ‹James Jacobs› DINOSAURS!!!!
16/09/2008 22:22:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night james
16/09/2008 22:22:54 ‹Justin the :sleep:er›
16/09/2008 22:23:20 ‹Eyebite› night James, and thanks!
16/09/2008 22:23:26 ‹Moth working› bye James
16/09/2008 22:23:51 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
19:58:31 * James Jacobs joins Main
23/09/2008 19:58:33 ‹Jal Dorak› RAWR!
23/09/2008 19:58:36 ‹JonShade› cappadocius, didn't like it? I thought it was great
23/09/2008 19:58:37 ‹Jal Dorak› YAY!
23/09/2008 19:58:38 ‹tensor› hi James
23/09/2008 19:58:40 ‹James Jacobs› NERD RAGE!
23/09/2008 19:58:41 ‹popscythe› The man himself!
23/09/2008 19:58:45 ‹Jal Dorak› Hello, James.
23/09/2008 19:58:45 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy James Jacobs!
23/09/2008 19:58:47 ‹popscythe› RERD NAGE
23/09/2008 19:58:50 ‹JonShade› hello James Jacobs
23/09/2008 19:58:52 ‹Crimson Jester› ????
23/09/2008 19:59:00 ‹Crimson Jester› I did not do it James
23/09/2008 19:59:01 ‹James Jacobs› Aloha everyone!
23/09/2008 19:59:05 ‹tensor› Nerd Rage == ROIDS
23/09/2008 19:59:06 ‹Pygon› hi James!
23/09/2008 19:59:08 * Justin Sluder falls prostrate before the Great One
19:59:13 ‹clight101› hello JJ
23/09/2008 19:59:14 ‹Jal Dorak› Oh, you're leaving already James?
23/09/2008 19:59:15 ‹Crimson Jester› Aloha? you in Hawaii?
23/09/2008 19:59:24 ‹James Jacobs› I'm a big fan of Castle Amber. The Clark Ashton Smith section, at least...
23/09/2008 19:59:34 ‹tensor› nice
23/09/2008 19:59:38 ‹James Jacobs› Nah; but by saying aloha at least I can pretend I'm in Hawai'i.
23/09/2008 19:59:41 ‹popscythe› Yeeeah, CAS
23/09/2008 19:59:44 ‹Crimson Jester› ah
23/09/2008 19:59:55 ‹tensor› I just got back from swimming. I need to go put something decent on. brb.
23/09/2008 19:59:59 ‹Pygon› you do what with your prostate?
23/09/2008 20:00:03 ‹James Jacobs› naughty
23/09/2008 20:00:11 ‹Jal Dorak› Something about Urgathoa, I think.
23/09/2008 20:00:12 * Hill Giant joins Main
23/09/2008 20:00:12 ‹Crimson Jester› Honestly though if you were in Hamaii you would have better things to do then chat with us
23/09/2008 20:00:17 ‹Russ› It's a fun mod. The redo wasn't bad either.
23/09/2008 20:00:19 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Hill Giant
23/09/2008 20:00:28 ‹Jal Dorak› HG, hi.
23/09/2008 20:00:33 ‹Crimson Jester› Tensor dont feel the need to dress on our account now
23/09/2008 20:00:40 ‹James Jacobs› The redo made me sad though cause it cut out all the CAS stuff.
23/09/2008 20:00:45 ‹popscythe› speaking of the big U, that picture in the blog was great
23/09/2008 20:00:49 ‹Bishop Wulf› I love Castle Amber! I had just read a ton of CAS before I got it, so I was so pumped...
23/09/2008 20:00:54 ‹Pygon› there was a redo?
23/09/2008 20:00:54 ‹JonShade› we redid the entire mod into a year long campaign setting
23/09/2008 20:00:54 ‹cappadocius› Oh, Mr. Jacobs is here!
23/09/2008 20:00:58 ‹popscythe› Nothing says hungry like having a mouth but no torso
23/09/2008 20:01:02 * tensor quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 20:01:02 ‹popscythe› *lower
23/09/2008 20:01:03 ‹James Jacobs› Redo: Mark of Amber
23/09/2008 20:01:07 ‹Jal Dorak› I liked it, but Iomedae was pretty sweet too.
23/09/2008 20:01:08 ‹Pygon› hmm
23/09/2008 20:01:09 ‹James Jacobs› A boxed set with a CD full of music and stuff.
23/09/2008 20:01:10 * Charles Evans joins Main
23/09/2008 20:01:11 * Pygon googles
23/09/2008 20:01:14 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, I have a quick PFS Silent Tide question. Would you be the one to ask about something specific?
23/09/2008 20:01:21 ‹James Jacobs› Maybe...
23/09/2008 20:01:22 ‹Justin Sluder› wb Charles Evans
23/09/2008 20:01:26 ‹James Jacobs› Depends what it is.
23/09/2008 20:01:40 ‹Bishop Wulf› James Jacobs, the blasphemers!
23/09/2008 20:01:53 ‹Mothman› hi James
23/09/2008 20:01:57 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening again Justin...
23/09/2008 20:02:05 ‹JonShade› Pygon, you can see Mark of Amber at NobleKnight
23/09/2008 20:02:15 ‹Pygon› figures
23/09/2008 20:02:23 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; Eva did a great job on Urgathoa. And all the other gods she illustrated in the book too. The art in Gods & Magic is something else. Every one of the 20 core deities got a great illo!
23/09/2008 20:02:31 * tensor joins Main
23/09/2008 20:02:49 ‹popscythe› I'm looking forward to getting a copy when I can!
23/09/2008 20:02:54 ‹tensor› great Firefly episode: http://www.hulu.com/watch/4479...isode,1
23/09/2008 20:02:57 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, I just want to be clear on something - Paizo has no plans to allow anyone to "license" permission to create 3rd party works in Golarion, correct?
23/09/2008 20:03:07 ‹Mothman› Urgathoa is hot!
23/09/2008 20:03:18 ‹cappadocius› She's cold.
23/09/2008 20:03:22 ‹cappadocius› Undead and such.
23/09/2008 20:03:24 ‹popscythe› Ohhhh
23/09/2008 20:03:26 ‹Mothman› that too
23/09/2008 20:03:33 ‹Charles Evans› Can a deity be undead?
23/09/2008 20:03:38 ‹popscythe› Clearly
23/09/2008 20:03:40 ‹Daigle› Howdy James
23/09/2008 20:03:43 ‹cappadocius› A deity can be anything they want.
23/09/2008 20:03:46 ‹Daigle› Howdy Hill Giant
23/09/2008 20:03:47 ‹Charles Evans› I know Orcus was for a time back in 2nd Edityion...
23/09/2008 20:03:54 ‹Charles Evans› (Tenebrous?)
23/09/2008 20:03:56 ‹Hill Giant› Hey, Daigle
23/09/2008 20:03:57 ‹JonShade› ninja'd by cappadocius,
23/09/2008 20:04:03 ‹Mothman› That is indeed a good episode Tensor
23/09/2008 20:04:05 ‹Jal Dorak› I believe so. Dieties and Demigods only suggests that "most" are outsiders.
23/09/2008 20:04:15 ‹tensor›
23/09/2008 20:04:16 ‹Jal Dorak› You could have a Plant God if you wanted.
23/09/2008 20:04:21 ‹tensor› hi Daigle
23/09/2008 20:04:27 ‹Jal Dorak› Daigle!
23/09/2008 20:04:37 ‹Daigle› Hey tensor and Jal
23/09/2008 20:04:38 ‹Mothman› you could have a dinosaur god if you wanted too
23/09/2008 20:04:40 ‹cappadocius› The Green Man in my homebrew is a "Plant" God.
23/09/2008 20:04:42 ‹Pygon› James - I don't suppose you'v egotten any more notifications on when PF14 might make it to you?
23/09/2008 20:04:45 ‹Mothman› just sayin'...
23/09/2008 20:04:47 ‹Jal Dorak› So, what is the room tag for the Paizo chat?
23/09/2008 20:05:01 ‹James Jacobs› A deity can indeed be undead. or an angel. Or a demon Or a a devil.
23/09/2008 20:05:09 ‹popscythe› #paizochat
23/09/2008 20:05:11 ‹Justin Sluder› Jal Dorak, it's here
23/09/2008 20:05:17 ‹popscythe› sssshh
23/09/2008 20:05:19 ‹Mothman› room tag?
23/09/2008 20:05:19 * popscythe grins
23/09/2008 20:05:20 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Paizo has no plans to license 3rd party Golarion content, nope.
23/09/2008 20:05:31 ‹Jal Dorak› Or are we just doing things in the Main?
23/09/2008 20:05:38 ‹Mothman› Jal, yup
23/09/2008 20:05:39 ‹Justin Sluder› Deities can be whatever they damnwell please!
23/09/2008 20:05:40 ‹tensor› Jal are you a noobie?
23/09/2008 20:05:41 ‹Pygon› Jal - you're in it!
23/09/2008 20:05:47 ‹popscythe› So whatever you were when you accidentally won the contest still applies in godhood?
23/09/2008 20:05:48 ‹cappadocius› That's what I thought. Thank you.
23/09/2008 20:05:51 ‹Jal Dorak› I'm never around for the Chats.
23/09/2008 20:06:04 ‹popscythe› Or do you get to choose?
23/09/2008 20:06:06 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> No more notifications about PF14, nope.
23/09/2008 20:06:16 ‹Jal Dorak› James, while I have you live, could you answer a RHoD question?
23/09/2008 20:06:17 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, thanks for the info, I'll post about it.
23/09/2008 20:06:30 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Did you see my question on the Paizo Pathfinder Bestiary thread, up on the PF boards, about caster levels & bloodlines for creatures such as lamia matriarchs in PFRPG?
23/09/2008 20:06:38 ‹cappadocius› RHoD...
23/09/2008 20:06:42 * cappadocius tries to parse.
23/09/2008 20:06:44 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Absolutely!
23/09/2008 20:06:51 ‹Jal Dorak› Red Hand of Doom.
23/09/2008 20:06:54 ‹cappadocius› I keep getting Read or Die, but with an H in it.
23/09/2008 20:06:56 ‹cappadocius› AH!
23/09/2008 20:07:04 ‹James Jacobs› Popscythe> Sort of... but not all of the gods got to be gods via the starstone.
23/09/2008 20:07:06 ‹Jal Dorak› Okay, so how exactly are the PCs supposed to get into the valley?
23/09/2008 20:07:18 ‹Jal Dorak› Without going through Brindol.
23/09/2008 20:07:20 ‹popscythe› Nifty
23/09/2008 20:07:34 ‹Pygon› into Elsir Vale? I had mine come east along that long road on the map
23/09/2008 20:07:42 ‹James Jacobs› Via the road that leads off to the left side of the map. The first town they should reach, traveling from the west, into the Vale, is Drellin'
23/09/2008 20:07:47 ‹Pygon› trail actually..
23/09/2008 20:07:47 ‹James Jacobs› 's Ferry.
23/09/2008 20:08:14 ‹Charles Evans› .
23/09/2008 20:08:17 ‹Jal Dorak› Okay, but wouldn't that mean they pass the Red Hand while they Camp?
23/09/2008 20:08:32 ‹Pygon› more along just north of the Thornwaste I think.
23/09/2008 20:08:47 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I did not see the thread, no. But a monster like a naga or a lamia matriarch isn't a sorcerer; they just get the spellcasting. They don't actually gain sorcerer levels, and therefore don't gain bloodlines.
23/09/2008 20:09:13 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> The Red Hand is north of the forest and mountains; the path the PCs come in on passes to the south of the mountains and forest.
23/09/2008 20:09:32 ‹James Jacobs› Between the Thornwaste and the mountains and forest, yeah.
23/09/2008 20:09:53 ‹Mothman› So James, judging by the discussion on the monster book thread, people like monsters ... has that helped spur any decisions by Paizo on when and how to do the PFRPG monster book?
23/09/2008 20:10:06 ‹James Jacobs› Or they should just be locals who grew up in Drellin's Ferry, honestly. That works even better.
23/09/2008 20:10:09 ‹Charles Evans› so in PFRPG if a lamia matriarch has 4 sorcerer levels (assuming she doesn't get a CL bump with PFRPG) she CASTS as a 10th level sorcerer, but only has a 4th level boodline?
23/09/2008 20:10:15 ‹Sick CD› bye all
23/09/2008 20:10:20 ‹Charles Evans› b(l)oodline
23/09/2008 20:10:23 ‹Daigle› Bye CD
23/09/2008 20:10:24 ‹Pygon› bye CD
23/09/2008 20:10:25 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight CD.
23/09/2008 20:10:27 ‹Jal Dorak› Ah, okay. I finally get it - the small road south of the Elsir River.
23/09/2008 20:10:28 ‹Daigle› Get better!
23/09/2008 20:10:29 ‹Charles Evans› Get well.
23/09/2008 20:10:30 ‹popscythe› bye
23/09/2008 20:10:35 ‹Jal Dorak› Bye CD.
23/09/2008 20:10:36 ‹tensor› seeya cd
23/09/2008 20:10:51 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> I've always known that people like monsters, though! It hasn't really spured decisions... we're alredy pretty much sure we'll be doing the monster book alongside the RPG. Maybe a month before, maybe a month after, maybe the same month.
23/09/2008 20:10:54 * Blazej quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 20:10:58 ‹Sick CD› thanks I'll see you when I 'm well
23/09/2008 20:11:00 ‹Justin Sluder› Sick CD, cya
23/09/2008 20:11:01 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Correct.
23/09/2008 20:11:03 ‹Daigle› Mothy, were you around for Erik's analysis of MM2 last week?
23/09/2008 20:11:21 ‹popscythe› Speaking of monsters, any plans for PFRPG related to monsters as races?
23/09/2008 20:11:22 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Yup! That's the road!
23/09/2008 20:11:26 ‹Pygon› month before would be good. just sayin'
23/09/2008 20:11:40 ‹popscythe› Clearly the new base classes and races are more powerful... is this going to affect the ease to play some of the classic LA1 monsters?
23/09/2008 20:11:44 ‹James Jacobs› Where that road leads from is ???. Wherever the PCs were in your campaign before that adventure began.
23/09/2008 20:11:51 ‹Mothman› Daigle - yeah, I started it off! ... didnt stay till the end though
23/09/2008 20:11:56 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any thought on doing an 'adaptable' monster for PFRPG rules, where a creature has racial caster level AND a bloodline or cleric domains, but they vary by, say, clan or tribe?
23/09/2008 20:12:05 * Sick CD quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 20:12:09 ‹Daigle› I could last the length either.
23/09/2008 20:12:19 ‹Daigle› Thanks for starting that - hilarious.
23/09/2008 20:12:24 ‹James Jacobs› popscythe> The main races in PFRPG will remain the ones in the current PHB: Human, elf, dwarf, halfling, gnome, half-elf, half-orc .
23/09/2008 20:12:42 ‹Mothman› Daigle: I know ... I didnt expct him to go through EVERY SINGLE FRIKKEN MONSTER!
23/09/2008 20:12:55 ‹James Jacobs› As for how the LA1 monsters work... I'm 98% sure we'll be ditching the whole ECL and LA stuff entirely. It just doesn't work.
23/09/2008 20:12:59 ‹Pygon› dang, I missed a lot
23/09/2008 20:13:05 * cappadocius nods.
23/09/2008 20:13:05 ‹James Jacobs› I agree, Pygon; month before would be good.
23/09/2008 20:13:10 ‹popscythe› Awesome! That's what I was looking for, thanks JJ
23/09/2008 20:13:13 ‹Russ› Have you guys come up with a counter system?
23/09/2008 20:13:22 ‹Blazej› Mothman, he didn't sadly. He ended skipping many when it got late.
23/09/2008 20:13:29 ‹Charles Evans› Daigle: did anyone get the transcripts, recently?
23/09/2008 20:13:30 ‹popscythe› I'm with russ, that's what I'm drooling for
23/09/2008 20:13:30 ‹Mothman› oooh, ditching LA, thats interesting - what will replace it? (If anything)
23/09/2008 20:13:32 ‹Jal Dorak› Well, if I run the adventure for a 5th time I will have them come in on that road!
23/09/2008 20:13:34 ‹Russ› It seems like some sort of a scaling system is needed, to acknowledge that an ogre for exmaple probably needs to level up a bit faster than a level 6 party to keep up
23/09/2008 20:13:38 ‹cappadocius› Does this mean you'll be temporarily taking monsters off the table as potential PCs, or is there an alternate system knocking around in the offices?
23/09/2008 20:13:48 ‹Charles Evans› Daigle: The last time I looked on the chat thread, there were several chats behind in the posts.
23/09/2008 20:13:51 ‹popscythe› everyone panic and run around excitedly!
23/09/2008 20:13:52 ‹Jal Dorak› Thanks, James. You know, I looked at that so many times it was at the point I was never going to notice it.
23/09/2008 20:13:52 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Not for the PFRPG, since that's not the place to do big new monster stuff. I suspect that spellcasting monsters will be treate pretty much the same way they are already; they get the spells but not the abilities.
23/09/2008 20:13:54 * popscythe laughs
23/09/2008 20:14:11 ‹Daigle› Charles, I got one, but it's on my now dead computer and I haven't salvaged the HD yet.
23/09/2008 20:14:16 ‹Mothman› Blazej: yeah, I left when he got that phonecall and left for a while - I guess it was abridged after that
23/09/2008 20:14:18 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Counter system?
23/09/2008 20:14:29 ‹cappadocius› A system to replace the current one.
23/09/2008 20:14:35 ‹popscythe› what cappadocius said
23/09/2008 20:14:45 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: ah well, any thoughts on th3e Oni vs Ogre Magi question? Will we see one or both?
23/09/2008 20:14:54 ‹Charles Evans› Daigle:
23/09/2008 20:14:54 ‹Russ› James - to replace LA.
23/09/2008 20:15:03 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Not sure. I think that the game works best when players DON'T play monsters, personally, and that'll be the thing we continue to push for Golarion. Eventually we'll probably do a Savage Species type book, but how we'll handle that? Dunno
23/09/2008 20:15:05 ‹Russ› The game needs something handle advancing an ogre for example to keep up with a party
23/09/2008 20:15:10 ‹James Jacobs› I suppose we need to do SOMETHIGN for cohorts though.
20:15:30 ‹Russ› Hmm. I really liked the lizardman and the centaur in the old rogue's gallery.
23/09/2008 20:15:33 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: DMs need some guidelines for slapping classes on monsters, too.
23/09/2008 20:15:50 ‹Russ› CE - well, CR handles that. LA is for toughness as a PC.
23/09/2008 20:15:59 * cappadocius misses the days, from before he played D&D, when cohorts were an important part of an adventuring group from Level 1 on.
23/09/2008 20:16:02 ‹Mothman› Yeah, I prefer not to play monsters ... mostly ... but there are players that do - I think its important to accomodate that, somehow, in some way
23/09/2008 20:16:03 ‹James Jacobs› We'll probably say something like "Go ahead and play monster PCs, but you have to look at each one on a case by case basis to realize what you're doing." And we'll maybe do a few examples, like goblins or orcs or lizardfolk or drow or whatever to start things rolling.
23/09/2008 20:16:28 ‹James Jacobs› Ah; yeah; we don't have a counter system yet. That's a big topic for the coming months though.
23/09/2008 20:16:28 * Eyebite joins Main
23/09/2008 20:16:30 ‹Charles Evans› CE: The vaoured/unfavoured classes in 3.5 sometimes produce disproportionately Cr'ed creatures.
23/09/2008 20:16:47 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Not sure yet. My preference is to ditch the ogre mage entirely for the book and MAYBE put in an Oni.
23/09/2008 20:16:49 ‹Crimson Jester› I may be one of the few who hated Savage species
23/09/2008 20:16:52 ‹Daigle› Eyebite!
23/09/2008 20:16:52 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Eyebite
23/09/2008 20:16:52 ‹Charles Evans› Russ, sorry, not CE.
23/09/2008 20:16:57 ‹cappadocius› Well, my concern with monsters as PCs isn't so much "monsters as PCs" as "NPC monsters with character levels"
23/09/2008 20:17:02 ‹Pygon› hi Eyebite
23/09/2008 20:17:02 ‹Eyebite› Daigle! Justin! hey
23/09/2008 20:17:06 ‹Eyebite› Pygon!
23/09/2008 20:17:06 ‹Jal Dorak› James: are their considerations for Favored Classes for humanoids?
23/09/2008 20:17:27 ‹cappadocius› If there's a quick "cheat" to simulate that, then I'm all for LA and stuff.
23/09/2008 20:17:40 ‹cappadocius› er, ditching LA.
23/09/2008 20:17:44 ‹James Jacobs› But in any case... we'll certainly have SOMETHING in the book for monsters with class levels. Just not sure how that'll work out yet. It'll probably be in an appendix int he monster book.
23/09/2008 20:17:51 ‹cappadocius› Cool.
23/09/2008 20:17:56 ‹popscythe› definitely cool
23/09/2008 20:17:59 ‹Russ› One of 3E's better insights was that somethings are less trouble balance-wise as NPCs than as PCs
23/09/2008 20:18:07 ‹Jal Dorak› For example, will Gnolls get extra hit points for having Ranger levels?
23/09/2008 20:18:11 ‹Crimson Jester› some monsters should have class levels
23/09/2008 20:18:17 ‹Crimson Jester› most should not
23/09/2008 20:18:20 ‹James Jacobs› But the fact is... there can't be a magic formula that you apply to generate a monster's CR. It's something you'll have to ad hoc each time. We'll provide as much guidelines as we can to assigning CRs though.
23/09/2008 20:18:23 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Are we looking at approximately 200 pages of monsters or approximately 250?
23/09/2008 20:18:43 ‹Justin Sluder› 500?
23/09/2008 20:18:49 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Listing favored classes for humanoids is easy. But we aren't gonna start doing that until we're sure favored classes are gonna stay in the game, of course.
23/09/2008 20:18:50 ‹Charles Evans› (after deductions for the contentss, glossary, etc, have been made)
23/09/2008 20:19:07 * Brian Cortijo joins Main
23/09/2008 20:19:12 ‹popscythe› Interesting.
23/09/2008 20:19:19 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Brian Cortijo!
23/09/2008 20:19:27 ‹Jal Dorak› Brian.
23/09/2008 20:19:29 ‹Daigle› Howdy Brian
23/09/2008 20:19:34 ‹Brian Cortijo› Wazaaaaaaaaa!
23/09/2008 20:19:34 ‹Mothman› hi Brian
23/09/2008 20:19:36 ‹popscythe› I'm actually kinda down for ditching favored classes. I feel like PCs are a lot stronger already without the favored class bonus
23/09/2008 20:19:40 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> For the monster book? Somewhere between 288 pages and 400 pages. We're still crunching those numbers.
23/09/2008 20:19:47 ‹popscythe› Hey, that brings up the point: What about multiclassing?
23/09/2008 20:19:51 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm, I think I may have been thinking of associated classes for monsters, rather than favoured classes...
23/09/2008 20:19:56 ‹James Jacobs› Hey there, Brian!
23/09/2008 20:19:56 ‹popscythe› What are you thinking about it so far?
23/09/2008 20:20:03 ‹Brian Cortijo› Hey, James!
23/09/2008 20:20:17 ‹Charles Evans› James: That's much more than Erik's first estimates.
23/09/2008 20:20:19 ‹James Jacobs› What indeed about multiclassing!
23/09/2008 20:20:23 ‹tensor› time
23/09/2008 20:20:25 ‹popscythe› hehe
23/09/2008 20:20:27 ‹Charles Evans› (in pages terms)
23/09/2008 20:20:30 ‹cappadocius› What proportion of original vs OGL monsters is planned for the MMI?
23/09/2008 20:20:30 ‹popscythe› Remove it!
23/09/2008 20:20:30 ‹Blazej› Night tensor.
23/09/2008 20:20:32 ‹Pygon› gnite tensor
23/09/2008 20:20:33 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight tensor.
23/09/2008 20:20:38 ‹cappadocius› night tensor.
23/09/2008 20:20:39 ‹popscythe› nn tensor
23/09/2008 20:20:40 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It is. Erik's estimates may have come before I brought him the monster list and he realized just how many monsters there has to be.
23/09/2008 20:20:45 ‹Mothman› cya tensor
23/09/2008 20:20:47 ‹Justin Sluder› I haven't used favored classes a RAW or multiclassing RAW for many years.
23/09/2008 20:20:49 ‹Jal Dorak› I think multiclassing needs some hard limits.
23/09/2008 20:20:50 ‹Russ› *nods* there are just tons of critters
23/09/2008 20:20:52 ‹Justin Sluder› cya tensor
23/09/2008 20:21:04 ‹popscythe› Jal Dorak, yank it out at the roots!
23/09/2008 20:21:07 ‹Jal Dorak› Not something as restrictive as 2nd Edition, but not as open as 3rd Edition.
23/09/2008 20:21:10 * Daigle s multiclassing.
23/09/2008 20:21:10 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> There'll likely be no original monsters in the first monster book. Or if there are, it'll be a tiny handfull. The vast majority will be the monsters already in the MM.
23/09/2008 20:21:21 * popscythe plays devils advocate
23/09/2008 20:21:22 ‹James Jacobs› Original monsters are better served in sequel monster books.
23/09/2008 20:21:24 * tensor quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 20:21:28 ‹cappadocius› okay. That's useful information to have!
23/09/2008 20:21:28 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Would you appreciate it if some of us take a census of the MM monsters which will be needed to support pre-existing Paizo modules?
23/09/2008 20:21:41 ‹Crimson Jester› Is it because of additional room for ecologies that the book will be larger even with fewer monsters?
23/09/2008 20:21:58 ‹Charles Evans› for example, Goblins feature in burnt offerings, so would go on such a census.
23/09/2008 20:22:07 ‹Brian Cortijo› IMO, part of the problem with 3E multiclassing was the overwhelming number of "gotta have it" classes out there. Another part was the funky math.
23/09/2008 20:22:13 ‹Charles Evans› Ogres in hook mountain, so would go on, etc.
23/09/2008 20:22:23 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> That's probably too much information. We're having a big lunch meeting this Friday to figure out how many monsters and which ones we want to keep should go in. I can guarentee you this though: There are more monsters in Runelords than we can fit.
23/09/2008 20:22:29 ‹Jal Dorak› I support Charles' idea. Would probably mean Mr. Flying Turtle would be gone.
23/09/2008 20:22:52 ‹Russ› One of the best things to do to fix excessive multiclassing would be to stop allowing stacking of the +2 favored save bonus.
23/09/2008 20:22:53 ‹Jal Dorak› I think Charles meant MM only, not the original stuff.
23/09/2008 20:23:02 ‹Charles Evans› James: I'm talking about just listing the MM monster, not including ones from bestiaries.
23/09/2008 20:23:05 ‹Jal Dorak› Definitely, Russ.
23/09/2008 20:23:06 ‹popscythe› Brian Cortijo, conversely, what about the number of "useless after x" classes?
23/09/2008 20:23:08 ‹cappadocius› Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what Charles meant.
23/09/2008 20:23:14 ‹Charles Evans› Or from necromancer.
23/09/2008 20:23:20 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, looking through the MM, I see a lot of creatures that will have a lot more space for things like ecology information (a few paragraphs usually). Is this accurate?
23/09/2008 20:23:26 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... that's probably too much information.
23/09/2008 20:23:34 ‹Jal Dorak› But I also think combat ability needs to have similar restrictions to spellcasting.
23/09/2008 20:23:35 ‹Russ› CE, James - I would be happy to give Paizo a spreadsheet with the use of all monsters in the products to date
23/09/2008 20:23:57 ‹Russ› (again, MM critters, not new ones)
23/09/2008 20:23:58 ‹James Jacobs› Since the mosnters that were in Pathfinder aren't necessarilly the ones we want in the book anyway. The PF RPG book has to be world neutral and not just a Golarion house organ.
23/09/2008 20:24:03 ‹Blazej› Jal Dorak, what?
23/09/2008 20:24:26 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> We'll probably NOT have much room in this book for lots of ecology or habitiat or other flavor text.
23/09/2008 20:24:39 ‹Jal Dorak› Re: Multiclassing? Spellcasters who multiclass lose out big time. Combat ability also needs to suffer a bit.
23/09/2008 20:24:41 ‹Mothman› But I would think you'd want to provide backwards compatability support to your own products....
23/09/2008 20:24:45 ‹James Jacobs› I'm hoping to retain about how much flavor the current MM has.
23/09/2008 20:24:49 ‹Brian Cortijo› popscythe, I think that the problems go hand in hand.
23/09/2008 20:24:53 ‹Charles Evans› JJ: If you don't print thse monsters though, someone who picks up brunt offerings in three years time may feel cheated because the Paizo MM equivalent doesn't contain a 'Yeth Hound'
23/09/2008 20:24:57 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> yeah, but not all in one book.
23/09/2008 20:25:02 ‹Blazej› Jal Dorak, it doesn't suffer enough already?
23/09/2008 20:25:09 ‹cappadocius› I think Charles and James are talking past one another.
23/09/2008 20:25:13 ‹Mothman› James: Fair enough
23/09/2008 20:25:26 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, ok, I was just seeing that many monsters get a bit more space if there is one page per monster.
23/09/2008 20:25:34 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah, but in three years we'll probably have 3 monster books. One of them will certainly have the yeth hound.
23/09/2008 20:25:48 ‹Jal Dorak› No. You can make a pure warrior with 20 different classes or 1 class.
23/09/2008 20:25:51 ‹popscythe› Brian Cortijo, do you think that the PFRPG base classes eliminate these problems if you don't allow the 3.5 splatbooks?
23/09/2008 20:25:54 ‹Mothman› I havent done the numbers on how many MM and open monsters are actually in the first 2 APs...
23/09/2008 20:26:21 ‹Urza› Charles Evans, hopefully in 3 years converting monsters from 3.5 to PRPG will be clear
23/09/2008 20:26:22 ‹James Jacobs› But the monsters in that first book are special cases. They're the first stringers. They're the ones that will have a weird amount of scrutiny and attention, just like how Varisia got a weird sort of elevated importance int he world, even though taken in context, it's a backwater.
23/09/2008 20:26:37 ‹Charles Evans› Which is why some are complaining about 4E... 'What do you mean I have to buy half a dozen core books?'
23/09/2008 20:26:45 ‹Jal Dorak› James: Is there a number for how many hard-covers you plan on producing each year?
23/09/2008 20:26:50 * cappadocius blinks. Ohhhh. They have t...
23/09/2008 20:26:51 ‹Brian Cortijo› I think that the splatbooks have to go out the window regardless. There are some things I'd tweak in PFRPG classes, but prestige classes are only balanced once you have a firm (and playtested) set of base classes to compare to.
23/09/2008 20:26:59 ‹Crimson Jester› Backwaters are the most fun...think of Tatoone
23/09/2008 20:27:02 ‹Blazej› Jal Dorak, yes. And in one case you have 20 different weak abilities vs, one set of strong abilities.
23/09/2008 20:27:06 ‹James Jacobs› It'd actually be interesting to see a list of how many different monsters are mentioned in the first six Pathfinders. Including wandering monster tables and the support articles.
23/09/2008 20:27:06 ‹cappadocius› It's a HOLE.
23/09/2008 20:27:08 ‹Charles Evans› Ah well, maybe fan support sites will be allowed to ciompile missing data as stop gap measures.
23/09/2008 20:27:14 ‹Charles Evans› ?
23/09/2008 20:27:20 ‹cappadocius› Things *start* on Tatooine, and then get the hell away from it as far as possible.
23/09/2008 20:27:26 ‹cappadocius› far = fast
23/09/2008 20:27:28 ‹Blazej› Jal Dorak, The set of strong abilities is so much better than the many different abilities.
23/09/2008 20:27:39 ‹Blazej› In my opinion.
23/09/2008 20:27:40 ‹popscythe› There was a HOLE here. It's gone now
23/09/2008 20:27:41 ‹Jal Dorak› But your pure combat ability is the same. +20 base attack (read: caster level) and huge saving throws.
23/09/2008 20:27:46 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> And that's part of the problem too, honestly. I want this first monster book to contain ALL of the core monsters. That's why I'm pushing hard for something more along teh lines of 400 pages.
23/09/2008 20:27:48 ‹cappadocius› James, should we post that list on the boards, or email it to you?
23/09/2008 20:28:01 ‹Crimson Jester› True but it keeps going back
23/09/2008 20:28:12 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Nope; we're not yet committeed to a number of hardcovers per year. But it won't be a lot.
23/09/2008 20:28:28 ‹Blazej› Jal Dorak, but the 20th level barbarian is still better at hitting things and damaging them.
23/09/2008 20:28:32 ‹Pygon› the rulebook and MM will undoubtedly be effective pummeling weapons.
23/09/2008 20:28:56 ‹popscythe› Blazej, unfortunately, not if you took all +1bab classes
23/09/2008 20:29:06 ‹Blazej› popscythe, no.
23/09/2008 20:29:06 ‹James Jacobs› Personally... I think the Pathfinder RPG should have all of the MM monsters in it PLUS about 50 or 100 monsters from Tome of Horrors and other d20 sources... but that book's beyond Paizo's ability to create at this time.
23/09/2008 20:29:15 ‹James Jacobs› So there has to be some sort of compromise.
23/09/2008 20:29:22 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Email it to me.
23/09/2008 20:29:28 ‹cappadocius› Okay!
23/09/2008 20:29:31 ‹James Jacobs› Or post it, actually. Either way works.
23/09/2008 20:29:34 ‹Mothman› And beyond people's ability to pay for....
23/09/2008 20:29:37 ‹Blazej› popscythe, their rage is stronger. So better strength. Better accuracy and damage.
23/09/2008 20:29:47 ‹Urza› James, yeah.. get Necromancer to get the PRPG Tome of Horrors out the same time the Pazio MM comes out
23/09/2008 20:29:47 ‹popscythe› Blazej, good point sir
23/09/2008 20:29:47 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> And beyond Paizo's ability to pay for too!
23/09/2008 20:29:58 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 20:30:00 ‹cappadocius› Do the palette shifted animals in the player's guide count, James?
23/09/2008 20:30:12 ‹Crimson Jester› you just need a winning powerball ticket
23/09/2008 20:30:17 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> nope
23/09/2008 20:30:30 ‹popscythe› James Jacobs, how do you feel about the current pfrpg base classes? are there any changes you yearn to see?
23/09/2008 20:30:34 ‹cappadocius› okay.
23/09/2008 20:30:38 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Assuming you're talking about donkey rats and the like?
23/09/2008 20:31:08 ‹Jal Dorak› Blazej, it's only stronger by +2 attack and damage. That's easily made up for with other class abilities.
23/09/2008 20:31:25 ‹James Jacobs› Popscythe> I think that there's too many sorcerer bloodlines for one. And I'm not a huge fan yet of rage points.
23/09/2008 20:31:27 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: spoiler tag it, if you post it, please....
23/09/2008 20:31:40 ‹James Jacobs› But I'm mostly defering to Jason and the playtest feedback.
23/09/2008 20:31:42 ‹Blazej› Jal Dorak, that is only rage however.
23/09/2008 20:31:45 ‹Crimson Jester› well the wife wants movie night so I must be off, Daigle anymore good ideas pass them along on my email please
23/09/2008 20:31:53 ‹Jal Dorak› Well, I get the impression Rage points might be the biggest issue for change right now.
23/09/2008 20:32:02 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight CJ.
23/09/2008 20:32:02 ‹Pygon› bye CJ
23/09/2008 20:32:05 ‹Daigle› Will do Crimson jester! Have a good evening!
23/09/2008 20:32:12 ‹Jal Dorak› Night, CJ.
23/09/2008 20:32:12 ‹Blazej› Blazej, We haven't gotten into the number of uses of rage, damage reduction, uncanny dodge, and so on.
23/09/2008 20:32:16 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Good point, Charles. Don't list all the monsters. I'd rather just see a total number of monsters, really.
23/09/2008 20:32:16 ‹Blazej› Blazej!
23/09/2008 20:32:21 ‹Justin Sluder› cya CJ
23/09/2008 20:32:32 ‹popscythe› Jal Dorak, I thought there was a lot of hate out there for rage points, but in that thread there is a whole lot of support for the current system
23/09/2008 20:32:38 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya, CJ!
23/09/2008 20:32:45 ‹Blazej› Bye CJ.
23/09/2008 20:32:48 ‹popscythe› bye jesta
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23/09/2008 20:33:28 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, have you read GM Gems and/or PC Pearls?
23/09/2008 20:33:29 ‹popscythe› James Jacobs, I'd really love to see the other classes complexified to come in line with the number of sorcerer bloodlines rather than trimming them down
23/09/2008 20:33:31 ‹James Jacobs› Rage points are very polarizing. There's a lot of folk who hate them... but playtester feedback seems to indicate that the folk who actually play barbarians and use them like the rage points, and the majority of those who hate them aren't playing barbarians or haven't actually tried them out.
23/09/2008 20:33:34 ‹Jal Dorak› I think Jason's latest proposals are a lot easier to manage.
23/09/2008 20:33:36 ‹James Jacobs› Which is interesting.
23/09/2008 20:33:49 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Nope.
23/09/2008 20:34:13 ‹popscythe› James Jacobs, I agree re:rage points wholeheartedly. I've seen them used a lot in my campaign and have had good results.
23/09/2008 20:34:19 ‹Jal Dorak› James, I'm definitely not in the "Anti" camp, having used them as DM and with a Player. But I like other systems better.
23/09/2008 20:34:30 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, they rock!
23/09/2008 20:34:43 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Campaign Setting question The 'delivery method' to two of the cities of the sun orchid elixir is left blank I take it to allow DMs to get creative?
23/09/2008 20:34:44 ‹James Jacobs› Popscythe> Thing with sorcerer bloodlines is that they're a NATURAL expansion. We can build all sorts of them into other products if we want. I just don't think we need page after page of them in the classes chapter. If they moved to the spells chapter I might feel better.
20:34:53 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, my suggest for rage points would be to scale them down... keep the same cost rations.. but make it less like a power bar from WoW
23/09/2008 20:34:55 * Justin Sluder is a great supporter of both Paizo and The Werecabbages
23/09/2008 20:35:09 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yup.
23/09/2008 20:35:10 ‹Daigle› Thanks for that Justin!
23/09/2008 20:35:10 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs (Thuvia, it has five cities, they take turns to have elixir deliveries)
23/09/2008 20:35:16 ‹popscythe› hehe
23/09/2008 20:35:29 * Justin Sluder bows before The Daigle
23/09/2008 20:35:30 * Mothman changes his/her nickname to Moth working
23/09/2008 20:35:39 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Actually... the use of rage points and the similarity to WoW is my main reason for being nervous about them.
23/09/2008 20:35:52 * popscythe facepalms
23/09/2008 20:35:54 ‹Jal Dorak› James: Could probably be served by trimming them down to the classics: Celestial, Demonic, Draconic, Infernal, Fey.
23/09/2008 20:35:55 * Daigle blushes.
23/09/2008 20:35:59 ‹popscythe› I honestly didn't make that connection until just now
23/09/2008 20:36:02 ‹James Jacobs› It's a great mechanic... I just worry if it's something that works better in a computer game where the computer has no problem tracking them.
23/09/2008 20:36:06 ‹popscythe› My god, that's too bad
23/09/2008 20:36:32 ‹popscythe› As for tracking, my players track them as easily as they do spells per day or power attack bonuses or whatever, as do I
23/09/2008 20:36:38 * Brian Cortijo has to run AFK. *grumble*
23/09/2008 20:36:47 ‹Daigle› Take care Brian!
23/09/2008 20:36:49 ‹popscythe› the whole 1-1/2, 2x or 3x damage on power attack and such is the real math slay
23/09/2008 20:36:51 ‹Charles Evans› Noo! You can't get rid of he aberrant, with 'things from beyond' connotations... What would Wilbur Whatley take?
23/09/2008 20:36:55 ‹James Jacobs› Now... World of Warcraft does a HELL of a lot of things right, and I think people who get their Nerd Rage on when a pen and paper game borrows from their innovation are making mountains out of molehills... but still.
23/09/2008 20:37:02 ‹Charles Evans› Sorry, Whateley?
23/09/2008 20:37:05 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, so reduce it... why can't the basic use of Rage cost 1, and the uber power cost 5.. don't make rage points.. just cost rages per day like 3.5
23/09/2008 20:37:14 ‹Blazej› WoW was more complecated though. It also had the you gain rage points when you get hit or hit that makes it harder.
23/09/2008 20:37:24 ‹James Jacobs› Whatley
23/09/2008 20:37:47 ‹popscythe› thats really too bad
23/09/2008 20:38:02 ‹Jal Dorak› James, has Jason been doing his own editing to this point?
23/09/2008 20:38:07 ‹James Jacobs› The same goes for having lots of powers that mark foes. it's easy for a computer to track all that... but not for a tabletop game unless you use minis and somehow tag them or whatever.
23/09/2008 20:38:14 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> We don't let Jason edit.
23/09/2008 20:38:17 ‹Charles Evans› Whatley, ah; the point is, he'd clearly need a abberant bloodline.
23/09/2008 20:38:24 ‹Russ› I think it'd be easier to just keep rage the same, and make rage powers feed off either hp or range duration
23/09/2008 20:38:25 ‹Charles Evans› Or possibly a template...
23/09/2008 20:38:29 ‹Blazej› Lots of things are easier for a computer to do.
23/09/2008 20:38:36 ‹Jal Dorak› Hehe. I just mention because it seems a lot of playtest questions revolve around the language of abilities.
23/09/2008 20:38:43 ‹Justin Sluder› Blazej, like the berserker in Iron Heroes
23/09/2008 20:38:51 ‹James Jacobs› Whatley's getup is not a bloodline. It's either a template (half fiend or pseudonatural or whatever) or it's just his race.
23/09/2008 20:38:52 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacob: Did you see the Dream Quest of Unknown Kadeth thread in the books section, by the way?
23/09/2008 20:38:55 ‹Blazej› Like control and coordinate twenty enemies.
23/09/2008 20:39:02 ‹Urza› Blazej, barbarian's rage in PRPG is more like the Rogue's action bar then it is the Warrior's action bar
23/09/2008 20:39:11 ‹Blazej› Yeah.
23/09/2008 20:39:14 ‹popscythe› I'd say half somethin' for sure, though he is mentioned as being a sorcerer
23/09/2008 20:39:14 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Yeah; that's stuff we have to go in with the fine-toothed comb and fix up later.
23/09/2008 20:39:23 ‹James Jacobs› Chalres> I did not.
23/09/2008 20:39:24 ‹popscythe› Where's the lovecraftian type sorcerer when you need one?
23/09/2008 20:39:28 ‹James Jacobs› Is it a good thread?
23/09/2008 20:39:44 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: One of the posters was asking for interpretations of how Dream Quest ends.
23/09/2008 20:39:52 ‹James Jacobs› Lovecraftian spellcasters are more like wizards anyway. They learn from books.
23/09/2008 20:39:56 ‹Jal Dorak› But the Abyssal sorcerer (which I have tested) would be better served in a "Things from Beyond" Companion book.
23/09/2008 20:40:03 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: He hadn't quite understood how it finished or what t was about.
23/09/2008 20:40:04 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Ah. Yeah. That's a good topic.
23/09/2008 20:40:06 ‹popscythe› Definitely
23/09/2008 20:40:38 ‹Jal Dorak› I mean, there should be a Construct, Giant, and Lycanthropic bloodline as well, but there isn't. Have to draw the line somewhere.
23/09/2008 20:40:56 ‹popscythe› Construct bloodline?
23/09/2008 20:40:57 ‹Charles Evans› I liked the shift in flavour of Dream Quest, aalthough it seems a little hurried in some sections, to me.
23/09/2008 20:41:03 ‹Jal Dorak› I'm tinkering with my own houserules for the Construct line - RoboSorcerer!
23/09/2008 20:41:47 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Skeld
23/09/2008 20:41:52 ‹Jal Dorak› Well, higher-level giants are pretty magical, then there are Oni.
23/09/2008 20:42:13 ‹Charles Evans› Also The Silver Key[/i, although I'm not too certain about [i]Through the gates of the Silver Key; it might have been better to just leave alone.
23/09/2008 20:42:15 ‹popscythe› 8th level - headware cell phone. The user may send a message as per Sending a number of times per day = to his caster level
23/09/2008 20:42:16 ‹Daigle› Howdy Skeld
23/09/2008 20:42:18 ‹cappadocius› huh. Is... a Lifespark Elite Flesh Golem two things ("Lifespark Elite" and "Flesh Golem" or three things ("Lifespark", "Elite", "Flesh Golem"?
23/09/2008 20:42:34 ‹Justin Sluder› cappadocius, 3
23/09/2008 20:42:40 ‹Charles Evans› I gather Through the gates was a collaboration anyway...
23/09/2008 20:42:42 ‹cappadocius› Okay. Thanks.
23/09/2008 20:43:06 ‹Skeld› hi everyone
23/09/2008 20:43:08 ‹Justin Sluder› lifespark is a template from Advanced Bestiary, Elite is the ability array, and flesh golem is, well flesh golem.
23/09/2008 20:43:11 ‹Daigle› It's a template. You might want to make that distinction in your list.
23/09/2008 20:43:16 ‹Jal Dorak› How do you get Elemental bloodlines? They're not exactly magical either.
23/09/2008 20:43:18 ‹James Jacobs› Through the Gates was a collaboration.
23/09/2008 20:43:33 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Skeld.
23/09/2008 20:43:39 ‹Hill Giant› Jal Dorak, genies
23/09/2008 20:43:41 ‹Jal Dorak› Evening.
23/09/2008 20:43:44 * Blazej quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 20:43:46 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect you get elemental bloodlines... yeah. From genies.
23/09/2008 20:44:07 ‹James Jacobs› Or from having your dad and mom do the naughty in the same room as a vortex to an elemental plane.
23/09/2008 20:44:09 ‹popscythe› James Jacobs, my good man, what do you think of the way magical weapons cancel out specialized DR now? Seems like your average devil is mincemeat these days
23/09/2008 20:44:17 ‹Jal Dorak› I can buy that, granted. Not sure if it would be something really common enough to be core though.
23/09/2008 20:44:38 * Blazej looks. Selects a line. Ctrl, C, P.
23/09/2008 20:44:42 ‹James Jacobs› popscythe> I really RELALY don't like the magic weapons canceling DR stuff. It's lame.
23/09/2008 20:44:48 ‹popscythe› Yeah I forgot about the world endin' norse giants Jal Dorak
23/09/2008 20:44:50 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: One of the cards in a Harrow Deck of Many Things says an outsider of pleasing appearance turns up, expecting to become your spouse...
23/09/2008 20:44:59 ‹Jal Dorak› Or from having a planar vortex in the womb with you...
23/09/2008 20:45:03 ‹Jal Dorak›
23/09/2008 20:45:08 ‹popscythe› James Jacobs, I agree. Should I post a bunch about it on the forums if I want to see it changed or what?
23/09/2008 20:45:36 ‹James Jacobs› If you want ANYthing changed... post! Otherwise we don't know.
23/09/2008 20:45:47 ‹popscythe› Groovy
23/09/2008 20:46:26 ‹Charles Evans› 'A comely genie'
23/09/2008 20:46:26 ‹Jal Dorak› Personally, my big gripe right now is the amount and variety of Rogue Talents. Really makes the fighter look pale by comparison.
23/09/2008 20:46:27 * Russ is running a playest tomorrow
23/09/2008 20:46:31 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah... making it so that players pretty much automatically bypass DR because of their weapons is lame. Instead of DR/magic being the lame duck, suddenly they're ALL lame ducks.
23/09/2008 20:46:39 ‹Blazej› I will agree that the average devil is mincemeat when my groups start getting +3 through +5 weapons.
23/09/2008 20:46:43 ‹Urza› bah, i like the DR bypass.. i hate people having to carry a weapon around for every occassion
23/09/2008 20:46:51 ‹Russ› James - that is really high on my list of things I want changed.
23/09/2008 20:47:03 ‹Russ› Fixing all or most of the 2 skill point classes is on the list too
23/09/2008 20:47:12 ‹Urza› the concept of Excalibur not being about the slice and dice a vampire just boggles the mind
23/09/2008 20:47:12 ‹Hill Giant› I want a return to DR x/ magic +x
23/09/2008 20:47:16 ‹Russ› Blazej - and greater magic weapon hasn't been fixed, right?
23/09/2008 20:47:22 ‹popscythe› Jal Dorak, have you made/played a fighter? I really don't think the rogue talents show up the fighter's raw ability to be good at everything
23/09/2008 20:47:26 ‹Blazej› Russ, it has.
23/09/2008 20:47:31 ‹Russ› It slices and dices a vampire just fine. But a silver weapon does it better. That's not so odd.
23/09/2008 20:47:32 ‹Blazej› I thought.
23/09/2008 20:47:35 ‹popscythe› Hill Giant, you are my hero! Me too. Definitely
23/09/2008 20:47:48 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Doesn't bother me at all. It can still slash through the vampire, but not as well as silver.
23/09/2008 20:48:22 ‹popscythe› Yeah, exactly. Suddenly, having that silver knife on you means something. Glad you kept it around instead of just pawning it off on somebody because it's "useless"
23/09/2008 20:48:22 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, isn't it the same way with the current DR rules?
23/09/2008 20:48:27 * Skeld quit
23/09/2008 20:48:28 ‹Jal Dorak› popscythe I've actually made and played over 20 in PRPG, from levels 1 to 10. I just find that if the fighter is getting a boost in PRPG, then the Rogue shouldn't be getting as much. And the increase of Sneak Attack was more than enough.
23/09/2008 20:48:30 ‹Urza› yeah.. if you have power attack
23/09/2008 20:48:32 ‹Charles Evans› Excaliber=artifact level weapon?
23/09/2008 20:48:44 ‹Urza› if you don't have power attack you'll probably do 1 or 2 damage
23/09/2008 20:48:49 ‹James Jacobs› Also: I don't really understand the worries about skill points. Folk who want to play characters with lots of skills have options... if we bump up the fighter's skills or the wizard skills... suddenly other classes that are SUPPOSED to be skill classes (bard and ranger, for example) get nerfed.
23/09/2008 20:49:07 ‹Russ› It has not been fixed, so you can overcome all DR with a high-level caster, who will you make your +1 flaming frost shock sword into a +4 or +5 weapon. Feh.
23/09/2008 20:49:13 ‹Jal Dorak› And bumping them all is power creep. Please don't.
23/09/2008 20:49:17 ‹Daigle› I agree. If you want heaps of skills, play a rogue.
23/09/2008 20:49:28 ‹cappadocius› hm. I suppose the Pit Fiend should count, even though its stats are entirely irrelevant to the adventure.
23/09/2008 20:49:28 ‹Eyebite› or an expert
23/09/2008 20:49:29 ‹popscythe› Jal Dorak, I don't deny that I'd love to see lots added to the fighter class just because I am a more=better type. However, I don't think the rogue talents really even cross genre with the fighter, let alone outshine him
23/09/2008 20:49:31 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> not in my experience. In the Savage Tide game I'm running, the PCs are pretty optomized versus demons but now and then they git hit with adamantine DR or silver DR or lawful DR or whatever and it actually matters.
23/09/2008 20:49:43 ‹Daigle› I was bummed in the transition from 2e to 3e because now everyone could hide and pick pockets.
23/09/2008 20:49:47 ‹Russ› 6 and 8 skill points are still much more than 4. And it is ridiculous that clerics and wizards, scholarly classes, get 2 skill points.
23/09/2008 20:49:49 ‹Blazej› Russ, what are you looking at?
23/09/2008 20:49:55 ‹Daigle› It made my lovely theif less special
23/09/2008 20:50:12 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Part of the skill-points complaint is that some players want to take ranks in a profession or craft for 'background' reasons...
23/09/2008 20:50:15 ‹Russ› PF Beta, page 248
23/09/2008 20:50:16 ‹popscythe› Russ, Maybe they should get skill points usable for knowledge only
23/09/2008 20:50:21 ‹Blazej› I'm see it say "This bonus does not allow a weapon to bypass damage reduction aside from magic"
23/09/2008 20:50:35 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Scholarly doesn't mean super skilled though. You don't have to max out every skill either.
23/09/2008 20:50:36 ‹Jal Dorak› Just remembering my old RHoD party versus a "were-deinonychus ettin" - ended with the Ranger dealing 1 damage with max damage rolls. Finally took some AoO to pick up the fighter's silver greatsword.
20:51:00 ‹Russ› And the skill mergers mostly helped the high skill point classes. No help at all for the wizard who wants more than handful of knowledge skills, but the rogue gets 5 rogue skills for the price of two. Feh.
23/09/2008 20:51:10 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: They don't want to have to sacrifice combat useful skill development so that their fighter can take Craft (basket-weaving) or Profession (cook)
23/09/2008 20:51:19 ‹Jal Dorak› But clerics are "half-combat" not scholars, and wizard have high Int to balance things out. Favored Classes help too.
23/09/2008 20:51:27 ‹Jal Dorak› And no cross-class costs.
23/09/2008 20:51:34 ‹Daigle› It seems like the gripe is about Knowledge skills and not skills in general.
23/09/2008 20:51:35 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Sure... but again. You don't need to max out ever skill rank. Take 2 or 3 ranks in profession and let it stay there. If you want to play a Bad-Ass fighter smith... don't use Int as your dump stat.
23/09/2008 20:51:39 ‹popscythe› I honestly think that nobody would really complain about cutting the skills into "skills" and "knowledge" or something
23/09/2008 20:51:39 ‹Daigle› I can see that.
23/09/2008 20:51:42 ‹Blazej› Russ, "This bonus does not allow a weapon to bypass damage reduction aside from magic"
23/09/2008 20:51:45 ‹Russ› Ah, good, he fixed half the GMW problem - still doesn't fix the problem with gmw/magic vestment that makes no one spend cash on weapon plusses, though
23/09/2008 20:51:50 ‹Blazej› Ok.
23/09/2008 20:51:57 ‹popscythe› That would totally cover the whole "rogues get more acrobatics and pick locks and wizard gets more knowledge" deal
23/09/2008 20:51:59 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> If they don't want to sacrifice combat useful skills... then I wonder if they reallly care all that much about their background anyway.
23/09/2008 20:52:07 ‹Russ› Clerics get the rawest skill point deal in the game.
23/09/2008 20:52:27 ‹James Jacobs› And people who want to play scholar spellcasters should probably consider playing a bard anyway.
23/09/2008 20:52:34 ‹Russ› ...
23/09/2008 20:52:34 ‹popscythe› Russ, clerics get the best everything deal in the gae
23/09/2008 20:52:36 ‹popscythe› game
23/09/2008 20:52:38 ‹Russ› I have nothing to say to THAT.
23/09/2008 20:52:41 ‹Jal Dorak› Personally, I only play Cloistered Clerics now. I find them much more in line with my view of a fighting holy-man.
23/09/2008 20:52:56 ‹Blazej› Play a bard!
23/09/2008 20:53:02 ‹popscythe› Jal Dorak, you missed the crusades sir
23/09/2008 20:53:05 ‹popscythe› they were awesome
23/09/2008 20:53:06 ‹Charles Evans› Ack. There is that CS feat.
23/09/2008 20:53:07 ‹Russ› That's hardly an explanation of why the most scholarly class in the game (yes, wizards over bards) get two, and bards get six.
23/09/2008 20:53:13 ‹Jal Dorak› I'm playing a bard now in Second Darkness, and loving it.
23/09/2008 20:53:13 ‹Eyebite› play a bard who pretends to be a cleric, a total charlatan
23/09/2008 20:53:22 ‹Charles Evans› Lets you swap your domains for a fighter BAB and extra HP.
23/09/2008 20:53:25 ‹James Jacobs› Bards ARE the scholars! That's the whole point of a bard! Wizards are not; they're spellcasters. They don't NEED anything but Knowledge (arcana).
23/09/2008 20:53:30 ‹popscythe› Russ, the explaination is that they're busy studying magic and have no time to pick up hobbies
23/09/2008 20:53:31 ‹Charles Evans› Plus Weapon focus, i think.
23/09/2008 20:53:32 ‹Jal Dorak› Well, crusaders didn't run around casting 9th level spells.
23/09/2008 20:53:46 ‹Russ› I see Knowledge (all) on the wizard skill list.
23/09/2008 20:53:47 ‹popscythe› Jal Dorak, You weren't there and history lies
23/09/2008 20:54:01 ‹Jal Dorak› Maybe back in 2nd Edition the comparison was more apt, but considering clerics cannot even use swords...
23/09/2008 20:54:02 ‹Russ› Wizards are true scholars, bards are dilettantes
23/09/2008 20:54:03 ‹James Jacobs› You do. But that doesn't mean that if a wizard doesn't have ranks in every Knowledge skill he's a failure.
23/09/2008 20:54:03 ‹Charles Evans› no, just proficiency, not WF
23/09/2008 20:54:04 ‹Hill Giant› Real wizards don't bother with "practical" knowledge!
23/09/2008 20:54:06 ‹Urza› Russ, yes, but you're not suppose to put points in ALL
23/09/2008 20:54:11 ‹Blazej› Russ, I see Knowledge (all) on the bard spell list.
23/09/2008 20:54:13 ‹Charles Evans› but BAB and D10 HD.
23/09/2008 20:54:23 ‹Blazej› Skill list!
23/09/2008 20:54:30 ‹popscythe› I agree with Hill Giant,
23/09/2008 20:54:35 ‹Jal Dorak› Plus bards have Bardic Knowledge as a catch-all.
23/09/2008 20:54:38 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... Experts are the actual scholars.
23/09/2008 20:54:39 ‹Urza› a wizard can research anything he likes, but his focus is NARROW
23/09/2008 20:54:44 ‹Urza› a bard is a jack of all trades
20:54:47 ‹popscythe› I'm the TRUE schollar
23/09/2008 20:54:51 ‹Russ› Blaze - no shit. But wizards are the ones who spent the most time in school. They just get screwed on skill poitns because some idiot designer decided they would have good Int anyhow.
23/09/2008 20:54:52 ‹Urza› his KNOWLEDGE is broad
23/09/2008 20:54:53 ‹popscythe› with extra l
23/09/2008 20:55:09 ‹Russ› Which was okay back when bards got 4 points, but then bards got jacked up 2 more, making the discrepancy lie firmly in the stupid area
23/09/2008 20:55:11 ‹popscythe› Russ, a little hot under the collar about scholars?
23/09/2008 20:55:22 ‹popscythe›
23/09/2008 20:55:32 ‹Daigle› Experts are the best class in the game!
23/09/2008 20:55:36 ‹Blazej› Aren't there bardic schools too?
23/09/2008 20:55:37 ‹Daigle›
23/09/2008 20:55:39 ‹Urza› Russ, I'm going to school for computer science, i'm minoring in information systems... i know jack shit about anthropology
23/09/2008 20:55:41 ‹Russ› Popscythe - a little hot under the cooler about Paizo's blind spot about one of the most frequently house-ruled parts of the game
23/09/2008 20:55:42 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> That may be your interpretation about wizards, but the rules don't necessarilly support them as being anything more than magic students. Taking ranks in non-arcana skills doesn't help your spellcasting much at all.
23/09/2008 20:55:57 ‹Urza› Urza, a bard would know about CS, IS, and ANT
23/09/2008 20:56:04 ‹Urza› urza..
23/09/2008 20:56:05 ‹Urza› lol
23/09/2008 20:56:10 ‹popscythe› Russ, I've never had a problem with it myself good sir, but it's interesting to hear that and gives me a chance to think it over
23/09/2008 20:56:17 ‹Russ› So take away Knowledge all from them, and make the game consistent
23/09/2008 20:56:20 ‹James Jacobs› If we wanted to recast the wizard as a scholarly spellcaster, then absolutely he should get more skill points. But as the game stands right now... that isn't the wizard's thing. He's about magic, not being the town sage.
23/09/2008 20:56:31 ‹Jal Dorak› Ah, speaking of BAB and HD: Anyone else think that only having the mages with poor/d6 progressions is a bit limited?
23/09/2008 20:56:39 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Not a bad idea, honestly.
23/09/2008 20:56:48 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Depends what prestige clases you're aiming at taking; some spell casting prestige classes have peculiar entry requirements with regards to skills.
23/09/2008 20:56:49 ‹popscythe› Jal Dorak, Not really.
23/09/2008 20:57:02 ‹Russ› JAmes - that alone would make me drop Pathfinder RPG like a sack of garbage.
23/09/2008 20:57:08 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> If you're aimed at a prestige class though, that's the price you have to pay.
23/09/2008 20:57:15 ‹Blazej› Russ, then why did you suggest it?
23/09/2008 20:57:21 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> You gotta do what you gotta do.
20:57:21 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> You gotta do what you gotta do.
23/09/2008 20:57:28 ‹Charles Evans› Although I do like the half ranks having gone away with PFRPG.
23/09/2008 20:57:39 ‹Russ› Blazej - I'm making the point that the rules support wizards as scholars, that's why they are one of only two classes with knowledge (all)
23/09/2008 20:57:52 ‹James Jacobs› Jason IS considering changing the skill points, though. But it's not something he necessarilly wants to do. He's been mulling it over for weeks though.
23/09/2008 20:58:03 ‹popscythe› Russ, I always felt like that was to represent "random trivia" the wizard has picked up over the years. They're older after all
23/09/2008 20:58:05 ‹Charles Evans› You just invest the skill points at any time necessary, and can take the level in bard or rogue later, to make that a class skill, in time for the prestige class requirements.
23/09/2008 20:58:27 * Brian Cortijo quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 20:58:29 ‹Russ› The rules expect a party to be good at knowledge skills. There are only 3 classes that can cover that at all effectively, and two of them are nerfed on skill points.
23/09/2008 20:58:36 ‹Urza› Russ, they're scholars in specific fields... a Wizard will know more about the Planes and Arcana... but a bard might know something about Arcana, Planes, Religion, Local, and Nobility
23/09/2008 20:58:37 ‹popscythe› James Jacobs, now that prestige classes have been mentioned, are you going to ditch that crap or what?
23/09/2008 20:58:52 ‹Jal Dorak› Well, if it means anything, I'm personally against the power creep. However, it does seem to be a common houserule. I liken it back to the old critical hit rules and how they became core in 3rd Ed.
23/09/2008 20:58:56 ‹James Jacobs› And frankly... if skewing the knowledge skills toward bard makes bards more popular... I'd be fine with that.
23/09/2008 20:59:09 ‹Jal Dorak› James: Yeah, bring back Kits!
23/09/2008 20:59:15 ‹James Jacobs› Popscythe> Which crap is this?
23/09/2008 20:59:21 ‹Russ› they already get more skill points than a fixed wizard or cleric would anyway.
23/09/2008 20:59:24 ‹James Jacobs› Prestige classes WILL be in the game.
23/09/2008 20:59:26 ‹popscythe› Prestige classes.
23/09/2008 20:59:29 * popscythe laughs
23/09/2008 20:59:35 ‹popscythe› Well there we go
23/09/2008 20:59:36 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Gioven your well known love for bards, why wasn't Tyralandi a bard, by the way?
23/09/2008 20:59:36 ‹Russ› Absolutely nuts that druids and monks get more skill points too, btw
23/09/2008 20:59:41 ‹James Jacobs› There won't be as many of them though. And they'll need to justify themselves with cool before they get in.
23/09/2008 20:59:45 ‹Charles Evans› Wouldn't Erik allow it?
23/09/2008 21:00:03 ‹Russ› And the iconic "idiot class" gets 4 skill points, ah well
23/09/2008 21:00:07 ‹popscythe› That's cool at least. I'd love to see a "no prestige class left behind" rule
23/09/2008 21:00:09 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> She wasn't a bard because I wanted to play the cool iconic that Wayne designed for the cleric. But she DID take several cross-class skill points in perform.
23/09/2008 21:00:11 ‹Jal Dorak› Now, will you continue with the Golarion specific organizations and PrCs?
23/09/2008 21:00:12 ‹Eyebite› I would love it if all Prestige Classes became 5 level classes
23/09/2008 21:00:21 ‹Eyebite› I love the mini PrCs Paizo is putting out
23/09/2008 21:00:23 ‹Charles Evans› I noticed the perform, yes.
23/09/2008 21:00:24 ‹popscythe› Eyebite, Neat idea!
23/09/2008 21:00:39 ‹James Jacobs› And because cleric is a VERY close second to bard in my favorite class list. And because I was already playing a bard in a campaign that Jason Nelson was running at the time.
23/09/2008 21:00:41 ‹Russ› Eyebite - If that were done, they should be made 6 level classes.
23/09/2008 21:00:50 ‹Urza› i think we need an Initiate of Tyralandi Scrimm or Thrall of Tyralandi Scrimm or even Chosen Herald of Tyralandi Scrimm
23/09/2008 21:00:51 ‹Russ› 5 level in a class is an extremely bad idea under current 3.5E constructs.
23/09/2008 21:00:59 ‹Urza› those are the prestige classes i want
23/09/2008 21:01:05 ‹Daigle› Why 6 instead of 5?
23/09/2008 21:01:08 ‹Russ› You hose your saves, and usually your BAB.
23/09/2008 21:01:18 ‹Russ› Daigle - 5th is a dead level for saves and usually BAB.
23/09/2008 21:01:23 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: Because of BAB progression?
23/09/2008 21:01:24 ‹Jal Dorak› Because most core classes don't get much at the base five levels.
23/09/2008 21:01:31 ‹Russ› Which means a lot of people will only take 5th level if it is insanely good.
23/09/2008 21:01:34 ‹Charles Evans› Ah, Nija'ed.
23/09/2008 21:01:35 ‹Jal Dorak› Even 10th is not good.
23/09/2008 21:01:40 ‹popscythe› It makes me sad that it's important to worry about what level you do what at
23/09/2008 21:01:40 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The barbarian isn't an "idiot" class. Uneducated does not mean stupid.
23/09/2008 21:01:45 ‹Jal Dorak› 15th is okay, 20th got some love in PRPG.
23/09/2008 21:01:53 ‹popscythe› I don't think that skilled=educated
23/09/2008 21:01:56 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Yeah; we'll keep doing Golarion specific PrCs... but not in the core book.
23/09/2008 21:01:58 ‹Russ› James - it is the iconic idiot class, though. The big dumb mighty thewed warrior.
23/09/2008 21:02:02 ‹popscythe› the current skill system really mixes two different things
21:02:12 ‹clight101› I think the sorcerer gets stiffed in the skill point department. I never understood why that class only got 2+int mod in skill points when they have their magic as a part of them and don't have to study. Also wizards have built in skill pointa as int is their primary stat
23/09/2008 21:02:17 ‹Charles Evans› Conan an idiot?
23/09/2008 21:02:28 ‹Charles Evans›
23/09/2008 21:02:28 ‹Russ› CE - depends on who is writing him.
23/09/2008 21:02:32 ‹Jal Dorak› That was my next question James. Now, I'm guessing we won't get the Red Wizard in PRPG?
23/09/2008 21:02:33 ‹popscythe› Charles Evans, "And hear the lamentations of their women"
23/09/2008 21:02:37 ‹Charles Evans›
23/09/2008 21:02:38 ‹clight101› so what do sorcererrs do with their spare time
23/09/2008 21:02:48 ‹popscythe› clight101, schmooze
23/09/2008 21:02:55 ‹James Jacobs› The way that saves and prestige classes work is one of Jason's big beefs, actually. He's trying to figure a way out that you don't screw your saves but you can't super charge them by mixing the right prestige classes.
23/09/2008 21:03:09 ‹Russ› Punishing wizards for having int as their prime stat would be like punishing fighters for having Str.
23/09/2008 21:03:14 ‹popscythe› James Jacobs, level based saves rather than class based saves?
23/09/2008 21:03:20 ‹clight101› I'm not saying punish wizards
23/09/2008 21:03:28 ‹Russ› James - there's always using partial save numbers.
23/09/2008 21:03:28 ‹clight101› I'm saying fix sorcerers
23/09/2008 21:03:31 ‹Jal Dorak› Was just going to say that, popscythe.
23/09/2008 21:03:35 ‹Eyebite› Well 5 or 6 levels is fine with me. I just love the short PrCs - packed with flavor and really cool.
23/09/2008 21:03:41 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Again, your projecting your own ideals for the classes onto the system.
23/09/2008 21:03:58 ‹Charles Evans› James: Just have every class having either 'good saves' or 'bad saves', and a table which sums up what bonus to save you get depending on how many levels total of 'good' save you have.
23/09/2008 21:04:00 ‹popscythe› Jal Dorak, I said it before I realized that I'm really anti-simplification heh
23/09/2008 21:04:01 * David joins Main
23/09/2008 21:04:08 ‹Russ› By saying that the big dumb barbarian is an iconic class type?
23/09/2008 21:04:10 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy David
23/09/2008 21:04:13 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Nope; no red wizard prestige class in the book. It may be open content... but it's flavor is all FR. We don't need to steal it. We can make our own flavor.
23/09/2008 21:04:14 ‹popscythe› Charles Evans, is on the right track
23/09/2008 21:04:14 ‹Russ› Do we actualy play the same game?
23/09/2008 21:04:18 ‹Charles Evans› bad saves, you only get +1 to saves per two levels.
23/09/2008 21:04:18 ‹David› firefly!
23/09/2008 21:04:21 ‹James Jacobs› Popscythe> perhaps.
23/09/2008 21:04:24 ‹David› Justin Sluder, hi
23/09/2008 21:04:33 ‹Russ› Barbarians don't have to be dumb, but they are as iconic as the old wizard, the pious cleric, and the sneaky thief
23/09/2008 21:04:36 ‹David› oh hey its tuesday...
23/09/2008 21:04:37 ‹Jal Dorak› That's what I was hoping. I always thought it was a waste of space in the DMG anyway.
23/09/2008 21:04:39 ‹popscythe› James Jacobs, go with what Charles Evans just said. He's got it
23/09/2008 21:04:57 ‹Eyebite› instead of red wizard - bloatmage. They're so much cooler anyway
23/09/2008 21:04:58 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I've long suspected that you and I play VERY different types of D&D, honestly.
23/09/2008 21:05:11 ‹Charles Evans› The most annoying thing about good saves is every time you take a class with one, you get +2 just for that first level.
23/09/2008 21:05:20 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Not sure. That's Jason's monster to slay, in any case.
23/09/2008 21:05:26 ‹Russ› Shrugs.
23/09/2008 21:05:33 ‹Daigle› There are tons of different styles of play with this game. The more people I talk to, the more I realize that.
21:05:39 ‹popscythe› Right, makes much more sense to pick from the table by counting your good save classes
23/09/2008 21:05:39 ‹Charles Evans› JJ well you can pass our suggestions on...
23/09/2008 21:05:47 ‹James Jacobs› I can!
23/09/2008 21:05:50 ‹Russ› But serious, are you saying that the dumb barbarian isn't iconic?
23/09/2008 21:06:00 ‹popscythe› conan knew the word lamentations
23/09/2008 21:06:01 ‹Eyebite› It just shows how versatile the game is - that it can accomodate wildly different styles so well
23/09/2008 21:06:06 ‹Jal Dorak› CE: Yep. It bugs me that a multiclassed wizard/sorcerer has better will saves than a single-class cleric.
23/09/2008 21:06:06 ‹popscythe› and that's smart as HELL
23/09/2008 21:06:12 ‹Daigle› pop
23/09/2008 21:06:22 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: I'd say the looks-dumb-but-is actually-quite-clever is more icnoic.
23/09/2008 21:06:33 ‹Jal Dorak› Daigle: That is a really good reason to maintain diversity.
23/09/2008 21:06:38 ‹Justin Sluder› Charles Evans, agreed
23/09/2008 21:06:40 ‹popscythe› They're clever enough to "smell" their way out of situations, etc
23/09/2008 21:06:41 ‹Russ› Hmm. Wonder what her int is.
23/09/2008 21:06:43 ‹Blazej› Russ, I would say the iconic barbarian for me is dumb, but somewhat skilled.
23/09/2008 21:06:56 ‹James Jacobs› The dumb barbarian is a stereotype as much as it is iconic. But at the same time... the barbarian who can track a sparrow through a blizzard or hear a mosquito fart at 50 paces or can tell how many horses are chasing him by the way the plants are swaying is also iconic. And all those are skills. You'll note that not many barbarian class skills ave Intelligence as the base.
23/09/2008 21:06:57 ‹Daigle› Agreed Jal.
23/09/2008 21:06:59 ‹popscythe› there it is again. skill points going into educational stuff is blah
23/09/2008 21:07:14 ‹Pygon› my half-orc ftr/barbarian is dumb as a dry log, however. Seriously. He has the stats to prove it.
23/09/2008 21:07:21 ‹popscythe› how about training points and skill points, eh?
23/09/2008 21:07:27 ‹Blazej› Hear a mosquito fart at 50 paces is iconic.
23/09/2008 21:07:27 ‹Russ› Yep, most classe have several iconic variations
23/09/2008 21:07:33 ‹Jal Dorak› James: Is there any discussion about the 1st-level power-creep? Specifically ability scores?
23/09/2008 21:07:44 ‹popscythe› Rogue is usually the iconic "dead" guy
23/09/2008 21:07:54 ‹Jal Dorak› I don't hate them, but it does make me wary.
23/09/2008 21:07:55 ‹popscythe› being carried around by the party until they get back to town
23/09/2008 21:08:19 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Yes; there is. And I'm not sure the power creep of ability scores at 1st level is as bad as it looks. Sure, it makes low level characters tougher, but that's good for the game, I think. By the time you get to 10th or 15th level, those modifiers aren't nearly as overwhelming.
23/09/2008 21:08:27 ‹Eyebite› I didn't know this was going to be a rules heavy paizo chat tonight
23/09/2008 21:08:30 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Did you see Order of the Stick #595 by the way?
23/09/2008 21:08:35 ‹James Jacobs› And if this makes all the current LA+1 races playable as baseline races... that's great!
23/09/2008 21:08:42 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope; I don't read OotS.
23/09/2008 21:08:51 ‹popscythe› Yeah, my level 13 pcs didn't really notice the new racial mods
23/09/2008 21:08:57 ‹Charles Evans› Not even during Dragon days?
23/09/2008 21:09:02 ‹popscythe› when they all died and rerolled at 13 just a little while ago
23/09/2008 21:09:10 ‹James Jacobs› RULES RULES RULES!!!!
23/09/2008 21:09:14 ‹Jal Dorak› Okay. Like I said, it's not just the ability scores, it's also increased HD, Toughness, Favored Class, etc. I agree that getting rid of LA+1 is good.
23/09/2008 21:09:15 ‹Eyebite› heh
23/09/2008 21:09:17 ‹Russ› I think the extra +2 is fine - it will cut down on people using higher point buys
23/09/2008 21:09:18 ‹popscythe› James Jacobs, lizardman and hobgoblin!
23/09/2008 21:09:24 ‹Charles Evans› He's much more into character development now...
23/09/2008 21:09:26 ‹Charles Evans›
23/09/2008 21:09:30 * Daigle just wants to tell a goddamned story.
23/09/2008 21:09:33 ‹Jal Dorak› There is always at least one Aasimar in each game I run at home
23/09/2008 21:09:33 ‹Pygon› I'd ask a different question, but I got nothin'
23/09/2008 21:09:34 * Butterfrog joins Main
23/09/2008 21:09:34 ‹Russ› I don't think the toughness is a big thing, since most people using D&D just took improved toughness anyhow
23/09/2008 21:09:41 * popscythe gives Daigle a hug
23/09/2008 21:09:43 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah; if we can raise the power level of the base races so that they're equal more or less to the LA +1 races... that's cool. That solves that problem pretty much instantlyl.
23/09/2008 21:09:44 ‹Daigle› Howdy Butterfrog!
23/09/2008 21:09:44 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Hugo
23/09/2008 21:09:46 ‹Butterfrog› Hi All
23/09/2008 21:09:53 ‹Daigle› popscythe
23/09/2008 21:09:59 ‹Russ› The +1 skill point / +1 hp thing for favored troubles me in a couple of different ways
23/09/2008 21:10:14 * Charles Evans s llamafrog, the poodle cultist....
23/09/2008 21:10:17 ‹David› Butterfrog, hi
23/09/2008 21:10:18 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I glanced at them, but I wasn't a big fan of OotS at all. The sense of humor and art style don't do it for me. And I get tired of anti-bard humor real quick.
23/09/2008 21:10:28 ‹popscythe› hahaha
23/09/2008 21:10:34 ‹popscythe› bard facist
23/09/2008 21:10:36 ‹popscythe›
23/09/2008 21:10:38 ‹Charles Evans› James:Elan's moved on since then...
23/09/2008 21:10:41 ‹Jal Dorak› Russ: Again, it's not just Toughness, it's Toughness+HD+Favored Class...
23/09/2008 21:10:41 ‹Pygon› Elan has actualyl come into his own quite well
23/09/2008 21:10:42 * Blazej quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 21:10:47 ‹Justin Sluder› Daigle, my #1 rule is: Are we having fun? Yes? Then f##% the rule(s) that don't let us have fun!
23/09/2008 21:10:49 ‹Butterfrog› Hi Mr Jacobs!
23/09/2008 21:10:49 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I actually agree with you on that count.
23/09/2008 21:10:51 ‹Russ› I think matching up to LA +1 is a great idea
23/09/2008 21:11:00 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Well... Elan hadn't by the time I gave up on the strip.
23/09/2008 21:11:09 ‹JonShade› James Jacobs, I've been playtesting the barbarian, fighter, and ranger in scenarios. So far the three classes are running smoothly. I definitely prefer the Beta fighter to the 3.5 fighter. And this was made possible by the paizo rules. Also, I find that it will be more fun and more balanced at later levels with the other classes.
23/09/2008 21:11:19 ‹James Jacobs› And the art still isn't pleasing to my eye. I've got better comics to read.
23/09/2008 21:11:25 ‹Russ› I don't think you'll break the game much by giving rogues, wizards, sorc, bards more hp. I think it'll actually work out better.
23/09/2008 21:11:34 ‹James Jacobs› Hi Butterfrog!
23/09/2008 21:11:44 ‹Jal Dorak› Re: OOtS: I like it, I read it, but it is getting a little self-indulgent lately. Much like 8-bit theatre.
23/09/2008 21:11:47 ‹Russ› You'll be less likely to nuke the "weak classes" with fallout from attacks on the brutes.
23/09/2008 21:11:52 ‹popscythe› Russ, I agree. There's less "whoops the mage got hit and died" at higher level
23/09/2008 21:11:57 ‹James Jacobs› Jon> Cool! Good to hear!
23/09/2008 21:11:59 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm; I don't really read Order of the stick for the art, i will concede.
23/09/2008 21:12:10 ‹Russ› ...because I agree with James on plenty of stuff too
23/09/2008 21:12:12 ‹Jal Dorak› Russ: Again, different play styles. I'd still be playing with 2nd Edition hit points if the system supported it.
23/09/2008 21:12:40 ‹Russ› Jal Dorak - I think that hp worked well within its rules. Damage scaled way up with 3E.
23/09/2008 21:12:40 ‹popscythe› Jal Dorak, You're a prophet and you should write a diary of prophecies
23/09/2008 21:12:53 ‹James Jacobs› And also: The bread and butter of Paizo is Adventure Paths. And Adventrue Paths run better if the PCs live long enough to make it through the first few encounters... and live long enough to make it to the end. SO: Tougher PCs = better for Adventure Paths = Better for Paizo.
23/09/2008 21:12:57 ‹Jal Dorak› Jon: I agree with your assessment - this has been my experience with the fighter both as a PC and as NPC.
23/09/2008 21:13:03 ‹cappadocius› Hm. The Treant in PF6 is an issue...
23/09/2008 21:13:14 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, hells yeah
23/09/2008 21:13:15 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> But! It's part of the SACRED COMPACT that we fight!
23/09/2008 21:13:17 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: On the other hand, Logic inja and Crusader of Logic are busy chanting 'Wizards are *BETTER*, Fighters are still *NOT*...
23/09/2008 21:13:23 ‹Russ› also, imo, anything that moves us away from everyone having 14 Con is a good thing
23/09/2008 21:13:25 ‹Charles Evans› Logic(N)inja
23/09/2008 21:13:35 ‹JonShade› Jal Dorak, thank you.
23/09/2008 21:13:46 ‹Russ› James Jacob - tooth against fang, hand against claw, because our species cannot share the universe in peace
23/09/2008 21:14:11 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Exactly. Plus dinosaurs.
23/09/2008 21:14:11 ‹Jal Dorak› popscythe: Was that sarcasm, or over-praise?
23/09/2008 21:14:17 * Russ snickers
23/09/2008 21:14:28 ‹popscythe› That was well deserved praise my good man
23/09/2008 21:14:33 ‹popscythe› And don't you doubt it!
23/09/2008 21:14:34 ‹Russ› I think I just quoted Larry Niven in Ringworld, btw
23/09/2008 21:14:37 ‹James Jacobs› Also, with Takasi MIA, someone's gotta keep me on my toes!
23/09/2008 21:14:38 ‹Charles Evans› .
23/09/2008 21:14:42 ‹Jal Dorak› Thanks.
23/09/2008 21:14:52 ‹Daigle› Poor Takasi.
23/09/2008 21:15:00 ‹Charles Evans› Does anyone klnow what happened to takasi?
23/09/2008 21:15:01 * Daigle still wonders what happened to him.
23/09/2008 21:15:02 ‹Eyebite› What ever happened to him?
23/09/2008 21:15:06 ‹James Jacobs› DId something happen to him?
23/09/2008 21:15:13 ‹Pygon› no idea.
23/09/2008 21:15:13 ‹popscythe› o:
23/09/2008 21:15:20 ‹Charles Evans› He suddenly stopped posting, is all know.
23/09/2008 21:15:24 ‹Jal Dorak› What's Ringworld?
23/09/2008 21:15:29 ‹Daigle› He started up the first PaizoCon and then dumped it into Tim's hands and disappeared.
23/09/2008 21:15:30 ‹popscythe› o: o:
23/09/2008 21:15:40 ‹James Jacobs› My guess is that he decided 4th Edition was better and that was that. <shrug>
23/09/2008 21:15:48 ‹popscythe› James Jacobs, :0
23/09/2008 21:15:52 ‹Jal Dorak› Is it like Stargate?
23/09/2008 21:15:56 ‹Daigle› He's vanished.
23/09/2008 21:15:59 ‹popscythe› Jal Dorak, :0
23/09/2008 21:16:11 ‹popscythe› James Jacobs, this has been a delightlfully enlightening chat
23/09/2008 21:16:12 ‹James Jacobs› Tim really rose to the occasion though. But yeah; vanishing on him was kinda lame.
23/09/2008 21:16:16 ‹Russ› Jal Dorak - science fiction by Larry Niven. About a preposterously big artificial world.
23/09/2008 21:16:20 * JonShade quit (vanished)
23/09/2008 21:16:23 ‹Russ› Tim is my hero
23/09/2008 21:16:29 ‹popscythe› I appreciate you comin down
23/09/2008 21:16:43 ‹Daigle› Takasi was actually much more mild mannered here in the chat in real time than on the baords.
23/09/2008 21:16:45 ‹James Jacobs› Cool! Is fun!
23/09/2008 21:16:56 ‹Russ› And my favorite classes would be wizards, followed by barbarians
23/09/2008 21:16:56 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Anyweay, any announcements t make about Ap #5 yet?
23/09/2008 21:17:04 ‹popscythe› I must adjourn, my friends. Keep the robot spiders in your heart and know that if you die, they'll escape and kill your family, so never die.
23/09/2008 21:17:06 ‹Charles Evans› (or earlier ones...)
23/09/2008 21:17:09 ‹Jal Dorak› Thanks, James. You've healed the brain-hurt over the logistics of "Marauder Ambush"!
23/09/2008 21:17:10 ‹Russ› One of my barbs is an idiot, the other is fairly clever
23/09/2008 21:17:13 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight popscythe
23/09/2008 21:17:22 ‹Justin Sluder› popscythe, take care
23/09/2008 21:17:24 ‹Daigle› Take care popscythe
23/09/2008 21:17:39 ‹Jal Dorak› Night, ps
23/09/2008 21:17:39 ‹James Jacobs› Charles I just hired a writer for the second installment of AP5 not 4 hours ago. But no news beyond that. We probably won't have anything to say about AP5 until early November.
23/09/2008 21:17:39 * popscythe quit
23/09/2008 21:18:09 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Yay! Sorry that was confusing! (AND: That part was written by Rich Baker anyway! )
23/09/2008 21:18:18 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: So if you have hired a writer, you know what AP #5 is about for definite?
23/09/2008 21:18:20 ‹Jal Dorak› Ah, my favored classes are Wizard, then Fighter.
23/09/2008 21:18:21 ‹Eyebite› JJ>.....a writer we know, or someone new? (as I can understand you can't say who he/she is)
23/09/2008 21:18:27 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, are you free/willing to give us the writers name?
23/09/2008 21:18:31 ‹James Jacobs› I pretty much only wrote the part of Red Hand of Doom from the Hydra onward.
23/09/2008 21:18:34 ‹Russ› Daigle - I think I'm Takasi's evil twin in that regard, then
23/09/2008 21:18:39 ‹Jal Dorak› Well, if it had been a Paizo module the roads would all have names.
23/09/2008 21:18:46 ‹Russ› Mmm, Red Hand of Doom.
23/09/2008 21:18:46 ‹Pygon› James - that's all? Damn.
23/09/2008 21:18:56 ‹Charles Evans› Jal:
23/09/2008 21:19:08 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I do indeed know what' AP5 is about. Not the entire plot... but I do know what the 2nd adventure and probably the 4th adventure are about.
23/09/2008 21:19:09 ‹Daigle› Russ, you two have similarities, for sure.
23/09/2008 21:19:17 ‹James Jacobs› And I'm not yet ready to reveal the writer's name.
23/09/2008 21:19:33 ‹Jal Dorak› That's pretty much the whole thing, James!
23/09/2008 21:19:34 ‹Russ› No one can accuse me of being dispassionatee about gaming!
23/09/2008 21:19:44 ‹Russ› I'm getting set to run some folks through the Fane
23/09/2008 21:20:07 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: So the dire flumphs *are* going to be threatening to flood absalom with rat poison then?
23/09/2008 21:20:13 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Yup. Rich basically wrote the background info and the plot outline, but then got pulled away to work on Axis & Allies, IIRC, and I got called in to administer the Finishing Move.
23/09/2008 21:20:20 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, is it someone who has written for Pathfinder before? (feel free to tell me to stop pestering you on this)
23/09/2008 21:20:38 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Absolutely not.
23/09/2008 21:20:45 ‹Blazej› I want to see flumph paladins of Iodamae!
23/09/2008 21:20:51 ‹James Jacobs› Dire flumphs are lawful good. They can't use poison. The 1st edition PHB says so.
23/09/2008 21:20:51 ‹Pygon› the flumphs are in a box.
23/09/2008 21:20:53 * Charles Evans wonders how players will cope with te dire flumph menace in AP #5....
23/09/2008 21:20:54 ‹Justin Sluder› Blazej,
23/09/2008 21:21:04 ‹Daigle›
23/09/2008 21:21:16 ‹Charles Evans› Oh, right, they aren't using rat poison....
23/09/2008 21:21:17 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Maybe... We'll reveal that in early November!
23/09/2008 21:21:30 ‹Butterfrog› dire Flumps! I'd love to see those...
23/09/2008 21:21:34 ‹Jal Dorak› Oh, you may be interested that Skather actually managed to kill Lord Jarmaath in my second game. That was interesting roleplaying. Rich did a good job providing some interesting NPCs with motives and sideplots.
23/09/2008 21:21:39 ‹Justin Sluder› maybe on the 10th?
23/09/2008 21:21:43 ‹Daigle› Draw one, my man!
23/09/2008 21:21:50 ‹James Jacobs› Of course, the 1st edition PHB doesn't explain how guardian nagas or couatls use poison...
23/09/2008 21:21:56 * Justin Sluder was born on 10 Nov
23/09/2008 21:21:59 ‹Jal Dorak› And Lady Kaal ended up working with the Hand to allow Skather into the city.
23/09/2008 21:21:59 ‹Butterfrog› A drire Flumph?
23/09/2008 21:22:02 ‹cappadocius› Whew.
23/09/2008 21:22:04 ‹Eyebite› Tim Hitchcock made flumphs cool in 3.5e, let him write them into PFRPG says I
23/09/2008 21:22:06 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Nice!
23/09/2008 21:22:08 ‹Daigle› Sure, Hugo
23/09/2008 21:22:17 ‹cappadocius› 140 creatures in Rise of the Runelords, give or take about a half dozen.
23/09/2008 21:22:25 * Daigle backs up Eyebite's call!
23/09/2008 21:22:26 ‹James Jacobs› Rich is a great adventure writer; I wish he were available for Paizo to work with!
23/09/2008 21:22:33 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> HA! Well done!
23/09/2008 21:22:34 ‹Russ› Was oil barred to lawfuls too?
23/09/2008 21:22:37 ‹Butterfrog› oks, you got it
23/09/2008 21:22:41 * Bishop Wulf goes off to devise a half-flumph template...
23/09/2008 21:22:44 ‹Butterfrog› Daigle, suore, you got it. I'm itching to do a "monster"
23/09/2008 21:22:44 ‹cappadocius› because I wasn't sure if "Dread" was a single template, or if there was a "Dread Mummy", "Dread Vampire", "Dread Wraith" template.
23/09/2008 21:22:50 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I belive Oil was a "MAYBE" which was a great useless rule.
23/09/2008 21:22:54 ‹Daigle› Rock!
23/09/2008 21:23:00 ‹James Jacobs› Dread Mummy is its own template.
23/09/2008 21:23:07 ‹Justin Sluder› Butterfrog, Nymph! It's a monster!
23/09/2008 21:23:07 ‹cappadocius› James: Would you like the list, or is the number enough for your purposes?
23/09/2008 21:23:09 ‹James Jacobs› As is Dread Wraith and all the rest.
23/09/2008 21:23:12 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: Presumably some will be duplicated in their use in other modules/APs...
23/09/2008 21:23:20 ‹cappadocius› Okay. Then there's 140 monsters in Rise.
23/09/2008 21:23:22 ‹Jal Dorak› So, oil to light a weapon on fire, but no oil dumping on enemies below the tower?
23/09/2008 21:23:29 ‹James Jacobs› SO! If we did all the monsters in RotR... that'd be more than half of a 256 page book.
23/09/2008 21:23:42 ‹Russ› Cappa - not shocking, but wow
23/09/2008 21:23:57 ‹Jal Dorak› But CotCT and SD must reuse some of those 140.
23/09/2008 21:23:57 ‹cappadocius› Now, many of these are from the random encounter tables, *granted*
23/09/2008 21:24:00 * Russ loves writing monsters too. Yum.
23/09/2008 21:24:02 ‹Charles Evans› JJ 3/4 at least, because of the glossary, index, contents, CR tables, etc.
23/09/2008 21:24:03 ‹James Jacobs› Assume the same for each other AP, and suddenly we're at 560 monsters.
23/09/2008 21:24:07 ‹cappadocius› but those random encounter tables are USED.
23/09/2008 21:24:09 ‹Russ› Hmm.
23/09/2008 21:24:16 ‹Russ› James - I would bet 50% overlap per, though
23/09/2008 21:24:29 ‹Jal Dorak› While we're talking about random encounter tables, I should mention the RA King: Gray Renders.
23/09/2008 21:24:35 ‹Jal Dorak› Those things are everywhere.
23/09/2008 21:24:42 ‹cappadocius› I don't HAVE full APs for Curse or Shadow, so don't look at me to confirm your crazy theories, people.
23/09/2008 21:24:48 ‹Russ› So it might be as low as 280 for all 3, not counting oscure ones
23/09/2008 21:24:50 ‹Bishop Wulf› Which of the RotRL adventures would be the best one for adding a lost flumph civilization?
21:25:03 ‹cappadocius› 50% per, Russ? That's crazy.
23/09/2008 21:25:07 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> Sure... but there's also a LOT of monsters that we haven't used that would stick out if we omitied them. Gold dragons, fire giants, hobgoblins, behirs...
23/09/2008 21:25:11 ‹Butterfrog› Justin Sluder, that would go into the "porn" section!
23/09/2008 21:25:13 ‹Charles Evans› Bishop Wolf: Hook Mountain?
23/09/2008 21:25:17 ‹Justin Sluder› Bishop Wulf, the last one!
23/09/2008 21:25:18 ‹Daigle› Wulf, I'd guess one of the later in the series.
23/09/2008 21:25:23 ‹cappadocius› I can guarantee there's not that much overlap between Rise and Curse.
23/09/2008 21:25:29 ‹Charles Evans› Bishop Wolf: It would counteract some of the ogre twisteness.
23/09/2008 21:25:41 ‹Jal Dorak› Put a flumph under the Goblin base.
23/09/2008 21:25:48 ‹Charles Evans› Or enhance it, depending on what some of those logue monsters are upto, of course...
23/09/2008 21:25:49 ‹Jal Dorak› In Burnt Offerings.
23/09/2008 21:25:53 ‹James Jacobs› But still... that doesn't change my goal of getting as many 3.5 MM monsters in there as I can. Which may mean postponing some monsters to the next book.
23/09/2008 21:26:15 ‹Russ› Cappa - lots of overlap on the wandering monsters, at least
23/09/2008 21:26:24 ‹Charles Evans› Bishop Wolf: Or you could plant clues to its location in the Blac Library (?) in #4.
23/09/2008 21:26:41 ‹cappadocius› If you left out the templates, that frees up 18 slots.
23/09/2008 21:26:45 ‹Jal Dorak› I was joking, of course.
23/09/2008 21:26:57 ‹cappadocius› Which would let you fill out the Giants, Dragons, and Golems.
23/09/2008 21:26:59 ‹cappadocius› *sigh*
23/09/2008 21:27:21 ‹Jal Dorak› Well, I need to go to sleep. Stupid EST.
23/09/2008 21:27:24 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Can you please, please, please squeeze the Havero into the first Bestiary, if possible, please; I think it could become an iconic monster for Paizo...
23/09/2008 21:27:27 ‹James Jacobs› Leaving out templates = leaving out liches, vampires, ghosts, and zombies (among others). Not an option.
23/09/2008 21:27:30 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Jal.
23/09/2008 21:27:30 ‹Pygon› gnite Jal
23/09/2008 21:27:32 ‹Justin Sluder› take care Jal Dorak
23/09/2008 21:27:36 ‹James Jacobs› No havero in the first monster book.
23/09/2008 21:27:37 ‹Eyebite› night Jal
23/09/2008 21:27:41 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Jal
23/09/2008 21:27:44 ‹James Jacobs› It's too high CR to be useful to that many people.
23/09/2008 21:27:48 ‹Butterfrog› Noches Jal
23/09/2008 21:28:02 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, what about the sample templated monsters? Do you think you will keep them in some fashion?
23/09/2008 21:28:09 ‹James Jacobs› The havero is a solid PF RPG MM 4 monster though!
23/09/2008 21:28:13 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: You could include the'uncontrolled tentacles' rules from PF#10, to fill it out, as a challenge for low level parties.
23/09/2008 21:28:15 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> That's a good question.
23/09/2008 21:28:25 * Jal Dorak quit
23/09/2008 21:28:48 ‹James Jacobs› Are sample templated monsters helpful? I think they are. It'd be nice, for example, to have the sample vampire be a classic Dracula style vampire, and not a ninja, for one...
23/09/2008 21:28:56 ‹Blazej› Hooray! I had a good question!
23/09/2008 21:29:03 ‹James Jacobs› YOU WIN!
23/09/2008 21:29:11 ‹cappadocius› Classic examples are good, yes.
23/09/2008 21:29:20 ‹Justin Sluder› Blazej, it was going to happen eventually.
23/09/2008 21:29:20 ‹Russ› I'm mixed on the sample templates. They aren't very useful for a normal template, but for the odder ones( lycanthropes) they are insanely useful, and the zomb/skel mass lists are useful too
23/09/2008 21:29:24 * psymin joins Main
23/09/2008 21:29:30 ‹James Jacobs› But for skeletons... I don't think we need 7 or 8 variants. Probably best to present the template, do a human skeleton, and pinch it off at that on one page.
23/09/2008 21:29:40 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy psymin
23/09/2008 21:29:42 ‹Russ› But fiendish? Celestial? Half-fiend/dragon/celestial? Junk.
23/09/2008 21:29:52 ‹psymin› Evening
23/09/2008 21:29:53 * cappadocius notes that if they JUST included the monsters from the back of the PF adventures, regardless of whether they appeared in an AP or not, that'd still be over a hundred monsters.
23/09/2008 21:29:55 ‹Russ› I'd rather see about half the number of zombies/skeletons, and less at the low end
23/09/2008 21:30:02 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: shrug there are arguemnts over what you mean by a classic 'Dracula' style vampire.
23/09/2008 21:30:20 ‹Russ› Cappa - okay, in that monster accounting I assumed that the golarion-specific monsters were left out
23/09/2008 21:30:24 ‹James Jacobs› I would LOVE to get rid of the half dragon. That and getting rid of dragon age categories are the two biggest scandals I forsee me championing for the book.
23/09/2008 21:30:25 ‹Hill Giant› I'm not convinced mindless undead really need to be templates...
23/09/2008 21:30:29 ‹Blazej› 'm not sure. Most have not been really helpful for me. I haven't really thought to use fiendish dire rats or a celetial lion.
23/09/2008 21:30:46 ‹Bishop Wulf› It's good to have a couple of different "big bruiser" type skeletons.
23/09/2008 21:30:48 ‹cappadocius› Russ: I left out monsters that were in the PF *book* but not the PF *adventure*
23/09/2008 21:30:48 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> B y classic Dracula vampire, I mean Dracula. Bram Stoker.
23/09/2008 21:30:57 ‹James Jacobs› A fighter vampire.
23/09/2008 21:30:59 ‹Charles Evans› Do you go by Bram stoker's actual book, or any of the films/adaptations/hammer movies for a start?
23/09/2008 21:31:03 ‹Russ› Ok, that will cut down on overlap a lot.
23/09/2008 21:31:07 ‹Hill Giant› Bishop Wulf, as monsters that can be modified, not modified from other monsters
23/09/2008 21:31:11 ‹cappadocius› Please leave dragon age categories.
23/09/2008 21:31:14 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, take a look at the way dragons are handled in d20 Modern if you haven't already.
23/09/2008 21:31:20 ‹Russ› Hill giant - I think they do. You need rules for animating pretty much anything.
23/09/2008 21:31:24 ‹James Jacobs› But the various incarnations of dracula are all relatively similar... they're NOT ninjas.
23/09/2008 21:31:34 ‹Russ› I think dragons would be more useful with fewer age categories.
23/09/2008 21:31:43 ‹cappadocius› I agree, Russ.
23/09/2008 21:31:46 ‹Russ› Really, do you need more than baby / adult / old / BALLS NASTY?
23/09/2008 21:31:47 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm There was that 'seven golden bats' Hammer movie or something like that....
23/09/2008 21:31:48 ‹psymin› whoa, I didn't even realize it was tuesday .. I'm glad I logged on
23/09/2008 21:31:54 ‹cappadocius› Hatchling, Juvenile, Adult, Ancient and out.
23/09/2008 21:31:58 ‹Bishop Wulf› Aristocrat vampires...
23/09/2008 21:31:59 * clight101 quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 21:32:02 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> It's handy to make zombies and skeletons templates though since that way you don't have to build a new monster whenever you animate something weird.
23/09/2008 21:32:06 ‹Pygon› how's it going psymin?
23/09/2008 21:32:24 ‹cappadocius› I think most, if not all, of the "classic" undead should be templates.
23/09/2008 21:32:38 ‹Daigle› Yo psymin
23/09/2008 21:32:44 ‹Russ› Hmmm.
23/09/2008 21:32:44 * Blazej quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 21:32:44 ‹psymin› Pygon> I have internet at home again. Its going much better. Sign the title for the house into my name tomorrow .. ahhhhh.
23/09/2008 21:32:51 ‹Pygon› weee
23/09/2008 21:32:54 ‹Russ› I don't want incorp templates, other than the ghost.
23/09/2008 21:32:59 ‹Justin Sluder› psymin, sweet
23/09/2008 21:32:59 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, perhaps, having zombies by size just seemed easier, if not as "realistic"
23/09/2008 21:33:07 ‹Russ› A wraith, spectre, and such shouldn't have too much to do with what they came out of
23/09/2008 21:33:16 ‹James Jacobs› I really don't like having any dragons below adult, actually. It's better to start the stats (and maybe end them) at adult, and then put in the back rules for "De-Advancing" all monsters, not just dragons. Then, in the dragon intor page, you put in some spot rules for how draconic breath weapons and abiliteis advance as they gain HD.
23/09/2008 21:33:30 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: If you make classic monsters such as skeletons templates, you run into the 'oops, we didn't put humans/elves/dwarves' in the book problem...
23/09/2008 21:33:38 ‹Charles Evans› Maybe.
23/09/2008 21:33:40 ‹Hill Giant› Anyway, I gotta go. Have a good evenng, folks.
23/09/2008 21:33:44 ‹Russ› James - how about one set of stats just for baby dragons, rather than one for all 10? And just notes on "change hte breaht weapon"?
23/09/2008 21:33:45 ‹James Jacobs› Bishop> Yeah... I think the classic vampire I'd do would be a Fighiter 8/aristocrat 5 or somethign like that.
23/09/2008 21:33:47 ‹Pygon› bye Giant
23/09/2008 21:33:52 ‹Eyebite› Psymin, congrats. Glad things are going better for you man
23/09/2008 21:33:58 ‹Russ› Actually, I don't think baby dragons should even HAVE a breath weapon
23/09/2008 21:34:23 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Giant.
23/09/2008 21:34:24 ‹Eyebite› Night HG
23/09/2008 21:34:36 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Interesting point.
23/09/2008 21:34:42 * cappadocius agrees with Russ again.
21:34:59 ‹cappadocius› Hatchlings should all have the same stats.
23/09/2008 21:35:08 ‹James Jacobs› But there's a human skeleton in the book arleady (and a lich human and a half-fiend human etc.) and there's not a "human" entry and it works okay, so I think that'd be fine.
23/09/2008 21:35:18 ‹Justin Sluder› cya HG
23/09/2008 21:35:19 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Baby dragons are lame.
23/09/2008 21:35:32 ‹James Jacobs› They make the heroes look like giants when you illustrate them!
23/09/2008 21:35:32 ‹cappadocius› Baby Dragons are good dragons for low-level parties to fight.
23/09/2008 21:35:46 ‹James Jacobs› So are dragons designed to be low level foes.
23/09/2008 21:35:50 ‹cappadocius› but, James has a point about illustrations.
23/09/2008 21:35:57 ‹Eyebite› Baby dragons...for a very limited (*very*) type of adventure work...but for the most part, I don't think they warrant inclusion into a MM
23/09/2008 21:36:02 ‹cappadocius› Which is why when they're illustrated, they should be fighting Lini, Lem, and Karsk.
23/09/2008 21:36:15 * Daigle looks back in the log and notes that baby monsters are coming up....again.
23/09/2008 21:36:20 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 21:36:25 ‹James Jacobs› I'm just saying whenever I put throwaway dragons into an adventure... the reader responce is unwaveringly "DON'T DO DRAGONS UNLESS THEY'RE BBEG WITH LOTS OF HISTORY!!!!!1!11!!!"
23/09/2008 21:36:29 * Justin Sluder points to Urban Arcana page 208
23/09/2008 21:36:32 ‹Russ› I mostly agree with you on baby dragons being lame. I prefer to keep dragons for when they are scary. But there is that dragonslayer scene, and there is the urge to have some stats when momma has babies
23/09/2008 21:36:33 ‹cappadocius› IF there were rules for de-advancing creatures, or a "Cub/Hatchling" template, I would have no problems having dragons have "adult" stats.
23/09/2008 21:36:41 ‹Charles Evans› What annoys me about fighting low level dragons is the way that mum and/or dad don't show up t spoil the 'brave PCs' day.
23/09/2008 21:36:41 * NiTessine joins Main
23/09/2008 21:36:49 ‹cappadocius› have ONLY "adult"
23/09/2008 21:36:51 * Butterfrog remembers an ilustration on the AD&D PHB 2ndEd where the heroes had a baby green dragon and a tiny treasure chest... roockies!
23/09/2008 21:36:51 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy NiTessine
23/09/2008 21:36:54 ‹Daigle› Howdy NiTessine
23/09/2008 21:36:57 ‹Russ› James - really? Even the four black dragons in Prince of Redhand? Because I LOVED that encounter
23/09/2008 21:37:00 ‹Eyebite› but baby dragons do make me think about Pokemon, and I'd like to stay away from that
23/09/2008 21:37:02 ‹NiTessine› Hello.
23/09/2008 21:37:08 ‹Charles Evans› Although that did happen in 'Four from Cormyr, I think, in 2nd Edition...
23/09/2008 21:37:14 ‹Butterfrog› Hi Nitessine
23/09/2008 21:37:15 ‹James Jacobs› Also... by presenting each dragon at it's Iconic CR... that encourages adventrue design to save dragons for big stuff.
23/09/2008 21:37:20 ‹cappadocius› I like to think about Pokemon as much as possible, particularly when playing D&D.
23/09/2008 21:37:22 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening NiTessine
23/09/2008 21:37:32 ‹cappadocius› But that's why I'm the Spawn of Fashan guy around here. *sigh*
23/09/2008 21:37:41 ‹NiTessine› Morning where I am.
23/09/2008 21:37:42 ‹James Jacobs› Balors are diminished if you're fighting various types of weaker varients all the way up from 1st. Dragons should be no different.
23/09/2008 21:37:55 ‹cappadocius› It's a valid argument.
23/09/2008 21:38:00 ‹Russ› Yep.
23/09/2008 21:38:06 ‹Daigle› 3HD balor.....fight!
23/09/2008 21:38:12 ‹Daigle›
23/09/2008 21:38:14 ‹Justin Sluder› NiTessine, how're you tomorrow?
23/09/2008 21:38:15 ‹Russ› I prefer dragons to not show up until the teens. Level 8ish at the earliest.
23/09/2008 21:38:15 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The picture at the start of Prince of Redhand is the Poster Child for "See? Those iconics look like they're 54 feet tall!"
23/09/2008 21:38:21 ‹Russ› Dragons should scare the crap out of you
23/09/2008 21:38:22 ‹Blazej› Go chibi-balor!
23/09/2008 21:38:33 ‹Charles Evans› Dage: Isn't a 3HD balor called a Dretch though?
23/09/2008 21:38:36 ‹cappadocius› Isn't a Chibi-Balor just an Imp?
23/09/2008 21:38:55 ‹James Jacobs› It was a cool encoutner, sure... but it can just as easilly be done with de-advancement rules on a black dragon. It doesn't justify dragons taking up a HUGE swath of the book, when we can use those extra 10 pages to put in other monsters.
23/09/2008 21:39:20 ‹Justin Sluder› Daigle, I counter your 3HD Balor with my 3 HD Tarrasque!
23/09/2008 21:39:27 ‹cappadocius› God, yes.
23/09/2008 21:39:35 ‹James Jacobs› Also... when you meet a dragon... that's like a milestone event. It should be the game's way of saying, "Hey dude! You're high level now! That's why you're fighting a dragon!"
23/09/2008 21:39:38 ‹Charles Evans› James acobs: Put the dragons in another book altogether, of their own, then, and put the HAvero in...
23/09/2008 21:39:43 ‹Daigle› Sounds like a weird Riddleport cockfight.
23/09/2008 21:39:45 ‹Charles Evans›
23/09/2008 21:39:52 ‹cappadocius› Enough with the Habanero, Charles!
23/09/2008 21:39:59 ‹cappadocius› You're as bad as me and Gnomish Riding Goats!
23/09/2008 21:40:08 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that if we release a PF MM with no dragons and +1 havero... I'd be applying for jobs at the local temp agency not long thereafter.
23/09/2008 21:40:12 ‹Charles Evans› No! It s i9mpossible to get enough gooness Havero...
23/09/2008 21:40:19 ‹Russ› I would actually say it would be a GREAT idea to just to iconic dragons, and do the age categories later
23/09/2008 21:40:20 ‹Eyebite› Baby tarrasques - for the sake of all that is crap, it must be done. This is my will. Go forth my children and make it so.
23/09/2008 21:40:26 ‹Justin Sluder› cappadocius, mechanagoats?
23/09/2008 21:40:26 ‹Bishop Wulf› cappadocius, I never knew that you were a goat fancier.
23/09/2008 21:40:29 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yes. Exactly.
23/09/2008 21:40:35 ‹cappadocius› I am not a goat fancier!
23/09/2008 21:40:37 * Russ would kick the tarrasque to the curb in a second.
23/09/2008 21:40:37 ‹cappadocius› Gnomes ride goats!
23/09/2008 21:40:50 ‹Daigle› cappa has a goat thing going on.
23/09/2008 21:40:52 ‹Russ› How many pages are dragons now? 20?
23/09/2008 21:40:54 * seekerofshadowlight joins Main
23/09/2008 21:40:58 ‹Russ› Hmm, more than that
23/09/2008 21:41:01 ‹Daigle› Howdy seeker
23/09/2008 21:41:06 ‹Charles Evans› Do you need any dragon aprt from the Red Dragon, if you're doing iconic dragons?
23/09/2008 21:41:07 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy seeker
23/09/2008 21:41:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello all
23/09/2008 21:41:10 ‹Eyebite› hey seeker
23/09/2008 21:41:19 ‹James Jacobs› Dragons are currently 1 dragon per page. ( I'm already assuming no age categories!)
23/09/2008 21:41:25 ‹Charles Evans› The red dragon breathes fire; most dragons in films are red...
23/09/2008 21:41:26 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey daigle,justin eyebite
23/09/2008 21:41:33 ‹cappadocius› I do not have a goat thing going on!
23/09/2008 21:41:34 ‹James Jacobs› If we go with age categories, that bumps up to 2 pages per dragon.
23/09/2008 21:41:35 ‹cappadocius› I have a gnome thing!
23/09/2008 21:41:40 ‹Daigle›
23/09/2008 21:41:47 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm: I suppose you might need gold dargons in, to play 'good guy' dragons,
23/09/2008 21:41:53 ‹seekerofshadowlight› are we talking PF MM?
23/09/2008 21:41:55 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> We need every dragon that was in the Monster Manual from 1st to 3rd edition.
23/09/2008 21:42:00 ‹James Jacobs› yup
23/09/2008 21:42:04 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yay
23/09/2008 21:42:06 ‹Bishop Wulf› cappadocius, I'm still curious about your interest in Spawn of Faschan. I thought I was weird because I want to run a game of Wuthering Heights.
23/09/2008 21:42:12 ‹Justin Sluder› Dragons in Urban Arcana take up a 'massive' 5 pages! Somebody take a look already!
23/09/2008 21:42:22 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: You have to put Gem dragons in then, or are they IP?
23/09/2008 21:42:23 ‹James Jacobs› My Urban Arcana is at work, alas.
23/09/2008 21:42:24 ‹Justin Sluder› and yes, they are in the d20 modern SRD
23/09/2008 21:42:30 ‹Blazej› Will types get pages. Currently true dragons get 2 pages describing generic dragon abilities. What about demons, devils, archons, will they have a page detailing the abilities creatures of a type share?
23/09/2008 21:42:31 ‹James Jacobs› Oh, wait. I guess I do have it here.
23/09/2008 21:42:32 * Butterfrog seconds russ iconic dragons idea!
23/09/2008 21:42:34 ‹Eyebite› James - do you see PFRPG putting a cap on the number of dragon types? It got a little ridiculous when every metal and gemstone had a corresponding dragon (to me at least)
23/09/2008 21:42:39 ‹Butterfrog› Hi seeker
23/09/2008 21:42:41 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Also probably Shadow dragn (?)
23/09/2008 21:42:42 ‹James Jacobs› But the D20 Modern stat block format is eye-bleedingly bad.
23/09/2008 21:42:44 ‹cappadocius› Spawn of Fashan is just shorthand refering back to the old Real Mean/Roleplayer/Loony/Munchkin thing of the ancient days of the interwebbe machines.
23/09/2008 21:42:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› whats the page count looking like?
23/09/2008 21:42:48 ‹Russ› yeah, 20 pages now. Cutting that down to 10 or 11 = win. And you might want to follow WotC on this one and cut out 3 of the good dragons.
23/09/2008 21:42:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey hugo
23/09/2008 21:43:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ugh but dragons.....
23/09/2008 21:43:10 ‹James Jacobs› Gem dragons are not open. If we DID topaz dragons and the like, we'd probably pick different gems and go wtih a different schtick,.
23/09/2008 21:43:11 ‹Russ› Ah, already talking about if you need them all, I see
23/09/2008 21:43:14 ‹Daigle› Aluminum dragon, zirconium dragon, paper dragon, wooden dragon
23/09/2008 21:43:32 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Yeah; we'll have a 1 page intro to types like dragons, demons, inevitables, and the like.
23/09/2008 21:43:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› heh
23/09/2008 21:43:36 ‹Justin Sluder› turbonium dragon!
23/09/2008 21:43:38 ‹seekerofshadowlight› paper dragons lol
23/09/2008 21:43:40 ‹cappadocius› Five Chromatics, Five Metallics, Five Elemental Asians, and out.
23/09/2008 21:43:45 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, cool.
23/09/2008 21:43:48 ‹Eyebite› plastic dragon, uranium dragon, taupe dragon...it was just too much of a good thing
23/09/2008 21:43:49 ‹cappadocius› 15 dragons is all ya need.
23/09/2008 21:43:50 ‹Charles Evans› JAmes Jacobs: I think you might be able to cut dragons down to just Gold and Red.
23/09/2008 21:43:58 ‹Daigle› Although, a stained-glass dragon would be pretty.
23/09/2008 21:43:59 ‹Russ› I personally think the game could get by with just golds and silvers in the first book But it is IS annoying to have the classic dragons split across books.
23/09/2008 21:44:06 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ya never have to many dragfons cappa
23/09/2008 21:44:08 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> There'll be only 10 true dragons in the first monster book. The ones to follow in the years to come will have more now and then; we've already done one new dragon in Pathfinder (the umbral dragon).
23/09/2008 21:44:11 * Bishop Wulf scraps his plans to write the Lithium Dragon...
23/09/2008 21:44:20 ‹Daigle› Wulf
23/09/2008 21:44:20 ‹James Jacobs› Seeker> Page count is currently between 288 and 400 pages.
23/09/2008 21:44:24 * David quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 21:44:28 ‹Charles Evans› I'll try to post to that effect on the boards, later, and if I get cut down by a hail of fire, you'll know I was wrong...
23/09/2008 21:44:36 ‹seekerofshadowlight› good page count james
23/09/2008 21:44:52 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, please, if you do Asian Dragons make 'em Earth, Water, Wood, Metal, and Fire.
23/09/2008 21:44:54 ‹James Jacobs› We won't be cutting any of the good dragons. It's a point of pride with me, to be honest, to not cut favorite old time monsters.
23/09/2008 21:45:04 ‹seekerofshadowlight› are you trying to get all the mm1 critters in or just working off classics and what feels right?
23/09/2008 21:45:04 ‹Russ› *nods* and it's a good call over all
23/09/2008 21:45:05 ‹James Jacobs› We should put in a dolomite dragon.
23/09/2008 21:45:14 ‹Eyebite›
23/09/2008 21:45:15 ‹Daigle› Hells yeah!
23/09/2008 21:45:22 ‹Bishop Wulf› Schist Dragon
23/09/2008 21:45:24 ‹cappadocius›
23/09/2008 21:45:26 ‹Eyebite› shaft dragon would kick its ass
23/09/2008 21:45:29 ‹cappadocius› for dolomite dragon.
23/09/2008 21:45:31 ‹Daigle› As long as it's a BMF
23/09/2008 21:45:33 * cappadocius is slow on the sraw.
23/09/2008 21:45:35 ‹cappadocius› draw.
23/09/2008 21:45:44 ‹Charles Evans› ames Jacobs: But the Flail Snail is an old time favourite monster; it even got an 'ecology of the flail snail' writeup in Dragon.
23/09/2008 21:45:46 ‹James Jacobs› There are certain monsters that are guarenteed to be in the book. Everything in Classic Monsters for one. Aboleths for another. And all 10 dragons for a third.
23/09/2008 21:45:50 ‹cappadocius› FLAIL SNAIL!
23/09/2008 21:46:14 ‹Russ› drow
23/09/2008 21:46:18 ‹Eyebite› 10 dragons is good IMO...and then the rare unique dragon type like the Umbral Dragon is ok by me
23/09/2008 21:46:21 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> We will do asian dragons eventually, but I'm not sure how we'll handle them. They won't be in the PF MM1.
23/09/2008 21:46:28 ‹cappadocius› Oh, sure.
23/09/2008 21:46:41 ‹cappadocius› I'm just putting it out there to stew in the back of your brain.
23/09/2008 21:46:42 ‹seekerofshadowlight› what all are your working off just srd and your stuff or your thinking to bring in some other open critters
23/09/2008 21:47:00 ‹James Jacobs› Flail Snail is not an old time favorite. If he were... he would be in all three MMs from all three editions.
23/09/2008 21:47:02 ‹Daigle› I think the pharmaceutical companies really should come up with a pill for dragonbloat.
23/09/2008 21:47:03 ‹Eyebite› I'm not sure about the wood dragon. I heard his breath weapon just gives you a nasty splinter. Then your mom has to pull it out with tweezers and kiss it, or else you take Con damage
23/09/2008 21:47:08 ‹cappadocius› Flail Snail is iconic!
23/09/2008 21:47:22 ‹cappadocius› Flail Snail! Nilbog! Wolf-in-Sheep's-Clothing! Morkoth!
23/09/2008 21:47:23 ‹James Jacobs› The froghemoth though... I'm pretty sure that guy'll be in the book.
23/09/2008 21:47:28 ‹cappadocius› These are the D&D monsters of my childhood!
23/09/2008 21:47:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› eh flail snail i never cared for
23/09/2008 21:47:33 ‹James Jacobs› Morkoth isn't open content, alas.
23/09/2008 21:47:38 ‹cappadocius› Damn.
23/09/2008 21:47:43 ‹Charles Evans› Falil Snail was definitely in first and second edition.
23/09/2008 21:47:49 ‹Bishop Wulf› How could you skip the gorbel and the nilbog?
23/09/2008 21:47:52 ‹Charles Evans› (Flail)
23/09/2008 21:47:53 ‹Russ› Woad dragon?
23/09/2008 21:47:55 ‹cappadocius› Flail Snail was in the Tome of Horrors.
23/09/2008 21:48:00 ‹Daigle› Santa is from your childhood too, but I don't want to see a MM entry on the guy.
23/09/2008 21:48:10 ‹Charles Evans› And Third edition made some very peculiar choices for including monsters/leaving them out.
23/09/2008 21:48:12 ‹Russ› Daigle - elf, kringle
23/09/2008 21:48:12 ‹cappadocius› You're a hater, Adam Daigle.
23/09/2008 21:48:14 ‹cappadocius› A Hater.
23/09/2008 21:48:18 ‹James Jacobs› seeker> The goal is to have as many SRD monsters as we can fit, sprinkle in a lot more old classics from Tome of Horrors, and then drop in a half dozen or so new classics like the boggard or the wendigo.
23/09/2008 21:48:20 ‹seekerofshadowlight› eyebit wood would be lighting or some type of gase i would say
23/09/2008 21:48:27 * Daigle shrugs.
23/09/2008 21:48:31 ‹Charles Evans› I was disappointed that the alu-fiend was left to Clark to do.
23/09/2008 21:48:35 ‹James Jacobs› I can skip the nilbog because I've seen troll 2.
23/09/2008 21:48:35 ‹Russ› Ah yes, all 1E MM giants are a MUST.
23/09/2008 21:48:38 ‹seekerofshadowlight› sounds good james
23/09/2008 21:48:40 ‹Eyebite› Anyone see that episode of Supernatural with the F'ed up Santa Claus monster in it?
23/09/2008 21:48:47 ‹cappadocius› The alu-fiend was always an iffy concept to begin with.
23/09/2008 21:48:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› and demons and deviles james?
23/09/2008 21:49:08 * Bishop Wulf remembers the fiend factory monsters that didn't even make the cut for the Fiend Folio... Stair Stalker, anyone?
23/09/2008 21:49:12 ‹Daigle› Eyebite, no but I saw the ATHF with the mechanical santa.
23/09/2008 21:49:14 ‹cappadocius› hee.
23/09/2008 21:49:17 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: I liked the fact that it was one of the few monsters that got hit points back by hurting the players.
23/09/2008 21:49:18 ‹cappadocius› Stair Stalker.
23/09/2008 21:49:20 ‹cappadocius› oh, man.
23/09/2008 21:49:25 ‹Justin Sluder› Eyebite, yep
23/09/2008 21:49:27 ‹Eyebite› Daigle, even scarier
23/09/2008 21:49:28 ‹James Jacobs› Ah yes. All the 1E MM giants are a must. In fact... if there's a mosnter in the 1E MM and it's also in the 3.5 MM... it's pretty much got a great chance of being in the book.
23/09/2008 21:49:29 ‹Charles Evans› Player Characters, even...
23/09/2008 21:49:30 ‹Russ› I really like the idea that having a demon mother is different than a demon father. It fits with mules and hinnies.
23/09/2008 21:49:36 ‹James Jacobs› At this point, the demon and devil sections are VERY robust.
23/09/2008 21:49:39 ‹James Jacobs› As is the daemon section.
23/09/2008 21:49:41 ‹cappadocius› ugh
23/09/2008 21:49:43 ‹Russ› CHEER
23/09/2008 21:49:49 ‹cappadocius› Well, yay daemons.
23/09/2008 21:49:52 ‹Daigle› I was just about to ask about daemons
23/09/2008 21:50:05 ‹James Jacobs› I missed the stair stalker! Damnit!
23/09/2008 21:50:06 ‹Charles Evans› Ah, daemonic flail snail!
23/09/2008 21:50:09 * Daigle s NE fiends
23/09/2008 21:50:11 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yay we must have the great evil ones
23/09/2008 21:50:27 ‹Russ› Deodands?
23/09/2008 21:50:32 ‹seekerofshadowlight› fiends are a must
23/09/2008 21:50:36 ‹Charles Evans› Demodands?
23/09/2008 21:50:41 ‹James Jacobs› But the fact of the matter is... with Erik in the publisher seat and me in the Editor in Chief seat... there will be demons.
23/09/2008 21:50:44 * cappadocius would rather hope nothing from the Illithid ecology is in there, even the open content stuff.
23/09/2008 21:50:49 ‹Eyebite› cthuloid type monsters....any that are definites in the MM James?
23/09/2008 21:50:53 ‹James Jacobs› Demodands are prolly gonna wait til the 2nd book or something.
23/09/2008 21:51:13 * psymin quit
23/09/2008 21:51:17 ‹cappadocius› There aren't any OGL cthulhu monsters that aren't Paizo created, to my knowledge, Eyebite.
23/09/2008 21:51:18 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> The neothelid will be in the book, I suspect. They've got a really cool new niche in Golarion, actaully; very Cthonian like.
23/09/2008 21:51:19 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: If Flail snail is OUT, and Havero is (probably) out, what about the Ooze Imperium?
23/09/2008 21:51:25 ‹Charles Evans› And Darkblight?
23/09/2008 21:51:49 ‹Eyebite› I know....but I'm wondering if any will become PFRPG "core" in the MM
23/09/2008 21:51:54 ‹Russ› CE - I meant deodands, they're cool
23/09/2008 21:51:54 ‹seekerofshadowlight› and fey we need some fey
23/09/2008 21:51:56 ‹cappadocius› James, I'm thrilled you've got a good niche for it, but that name's gotta go.
23/09/2008 21:51:57 ‹James Jacobs› There are certainly lovecraftian mosnters going in. The aforementioned neothelid, for one. But actuall mosnters like shoggoths and gugs? Probably not. They have a good chance for the 2nd book though.
23/09/2008 21:52:02 ‹James Jacobs› I'd love to make shoggoths core.
23/09/2008 21:52:08 ‹cappadocius› Yes.
23/09/2008 21:52:17 ‹cappadocius› MMII should be Golarion specific, IMO.
23/09/2008 21:52:18 ‹Russ› Question - what is a "thelid" that this thing is "neo" of?
23/09/2008 21:52:20 ‹Daigle› I vote for no tentacled monsters whatsoever.
23/09/2008 21:52:26 * Daigle is kidding of course.
23/09/2008 21:52:31 ‹Russ› What! We need rust monsters and ropers!
23/09/2008 21:52:32 ‹James Jacobs› But I don't know if that is an opinion shared. I'll see. Hell... I'll drop the shoggoth and the gug and the denizen of Leng in on the list.
23/09/2008 21:52:35 ‹Russ› Okay, antennae
23/09/2008 21:52:46 ‹Russ› I'd rather have the first two and not the third.
23/09/2008 21:52:49 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Wulfgang has established that Golarion Shoggoths (at any rate) tend t be associated wth an item, which is involved in calling them.
23/09/2008 21:52:52 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> The name stays, though; it's already established.
23/09/2008 21:52:53 ‹seekerofshadowlight› am not sure if MM2 should be stright golarion though
23/09/2008 21:52:56 ‹Eyebite› JJ> Nice!
23/09/2008 21:53:07 ‹Bishop Wulf› Shoogoths don't necessarily have tentacles, so Daigle will be happy.
23/09/2008 21:53:10 ‹James Jacobs› And without the "illithid" base to connect it to... it becomes its own thing, in theory.
23/09/2008 21:53:20 ‹Daigle›
23/09/2008 21:53:32 ‹Charles Evans› (See Crucible of Chaos, for Shoggoths and 'shoggoth Stone' in that case.)
23/09/2008 21:53:34 * cappadocius shrugs. Isn't terribly invested in the Neothelid thing, really.
23/09/2008 21:53:39 ‹James Jacobs› Neo has no more meaning to neothelid than tar does to the tarrasque.
23/09/2008 21:53:47 ‹Moth working› checking in .... wow, still talking about monsters - people DO like them!
23/09/2008 21:53:51 ‹Eyebite› I wouldn't mind seeing 3 or 4 cthuloid monsters get moved into "core"
23/09/2008 21:53:53 * Charles Evans hasn't even heard of Neothelid.
23/09/2008 21:54:00 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> That's not necessarilly canon we'll retain, though.
23/09/2008 21:54:13 ‹Moth working› CE: Its in the psionics book I think
23/09/2008 21:54:17 ‹Justin Sluder› Moth working, yes we do!
23/09/2008 21:54:20 ‹Justin Sluder›
23/09/2008 21:54:21 ‹cappadocius› In 3e, it is.
23/09/2008 21:54:26 ‹James Jacobs› In fact... a lot of the stuff in the earlier 32 page modules is Paizo in "experiment" mode. not all of it sticks.
23/09/2008 21:54:28 ‹Eyebite› Moth! hey! Didn't see you man
23/09/2008 21:54:31 ‹cappadocius› Neothelids date back to at least The Illithiad.
23/09/2008 21:54:32 ‹Charles Evans› And are 'cthonians' the ones from 'The Shadow out of Time' or are they from something else?
23/09/2008 21:54:37 * Bishop Wulf wonders what Paleothelids are like.
21:54:43 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I dont know if this has been brought up but how are you doing page layout?
23/09/2008 21:54:47 ‹Moth working› hey Eyebite! Working, and lurking from time to time...
23/09/2008 21:54:47 ‹cappadocius› Chthonians are a Brian Lumley creation, Charles.
23/09/2008 21:54:50 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... folk LOVE mosnters!!!!
23/09/2008 21:54:51 ‹Eyebite› JJ> any ideas of what definitely will be jettisoned from PFRPG canon?
23/09/2008 21:54:55 ‹cappadocius› Just about the only non-retarded Mythos creation he did.
23/09/2008 21:55:07 ‹Charles Evans› Oh, Lumley. Not familiar with that.
23/09/2008 21:55:08 ‹James Jacobs› Cthonians are Lumley, yeah; from "The Burrowers Beneath."
23/09/2008 21:55:21 ‹James Jacobs› They're basically giant super intelligent worms that have it in for humanity.
23/09/2008 21:55:24 ‹cappadocius› I swear to God, if Cthulhu's good twin makes it into Pathfinder, I will kill everyone working for Paizo.
23/09/2008 21:55:37 ‹cappadocius› Kthanid my ass.
23/09/2008 21:55:42 * Butterfrog thinks that Rackham (france) Cthonians are awesome! as well as all midnor creatures
23/09/2008 21:55:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› awww cappa whers the fun in that
23/09/2008 21:55:51 ‹James Jacobs› seeker> We haven't gotten to page layiout stuff yet. We're probably still months away from that.
23/09/2008 21:55:52 * Russ thought he had made outlandish threats tonight...
23/09/2008 21:55:54 ‹Eyebite› that's a reasonable, balanced stance cappa
23/09/2008 21:56:08 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Kthanid will not be in anything I ever publish.
23/09/2008 21:56:12 ‹cappadocius› I believe it properly addresses the situation.
23/09/2008 21:56:13 ‹cappadocius› GOOD.
23/09/2008 21:56:20 ‹Charles Evans› has a good twin?
23/09/2008 21:56:23 ‹James Jacobs› Nor will the concept of the Great Old Ones = elemetnals.
23/09/2008 21:56:24 ‹cappadocius› We're on the same wavelength then.
23/09/2008 21:56:27 ‹Daigle› Who's this cthulhu thing you guys keep talking about?
23/09/2008 21:56:28 ‹Justin Sluder› Holy Shit this is AWESOME!!! http://butterfrog.deviantart.c...8824956
23/09/2008 21:56:28 ‹cappadocius› Also Good.
23/09/2008 21:56:29 ‹Daigle›
23/09/2008 21:56:31 ‹Bishop Wulf› cappadocius, Cthulhu and his kin are ALL good. Humanity is the problem...
23/09/2008 21:56:32 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i didnt know that myself
23/09/2008 21:56:50 ‹James Jacobs› In some of Lumley's stories, yeah. there's an elder god version of Cthulhu that isn't out to cause trouble.
23/09/2008 21:56:53 ‹cappadocius› Charles: No. He doesn't. There was no Highlander 2, either.
23/09/2008 21:56:58 ‹Russ› Hastur! Hastur! Hastur!
23/09/2008 21:57:02 ‹Daigle› Another great illo, Butterfrog!
23/09/2008 21:57:12 ‹James Jacobs› Thsoe stories themselves are not bad. Not GREAT... but fun. In a junk-food sort of way.
23/09/2008 21:57:20 ‹cappadocius› That is a GREAT dwarf.
23/09/2008 21:57:27 ‹Pygon› wow, another nice one
23/09/2008 21:57:31 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: Actually Highlander 2 had it's moments, and is a very useful analaogy.
23/09/2008 21:57:33 ‹seekerofshadowlight› wow hugo didnt know ya had a new one up
23/09/2008 21:57:40 * Russ kind of wishes qullans could make it in
23/09/2008 21:57:43 ‹cappadocius› So, anyway.
23/09/2008 21:57:46 * cappadocius hms.
23/09/2008 21:57:50 ‹James Jacobs› Erik's a big fan of qullans too.
23/09/2008 21:57:53 ‹cappadocius› Are Drakes gonna make it into 1?
23/09/2008 21:57:56 ‹Charles Evans› Sean Connery was wonderful in Highlander 2.
23/09/2008 21:57:57 ‹cappadocius› MM1.
23/09/2008 21:58:06 ‹Butterfrog› seekerofshadowlight, just put it up right now... that's why the chat its so butter.free
23/09/2008 21:58:06 ‹Eyebite› Other than Highlander 1, am I alone in thinking the tv series was far superior than the movies?
23/09/2008 21:58:07 ‹James Jacobs› I hate them. They seem to me to be one of several borderline racist monsters from the early days. No thanks.
23/09/2008 21:58:10 ‹Charles Evans› Getting back to PF, however.
23/09/2008 21:58:12 ‹seekerofshadowlight› heh a lot of Osirion love in your art hugo
23/09/2008 21:58:17 ‹Eyebite› *far superior to the
23/09/2008 21:58:23 ‹James Jacobs› No drakes, I don't think. They're not in any of the MMs through the editions.
23/09/2008 21:58:27 ‹seekerofshadowlight› another solid work there
23/09/2008 21:58:32 ‹Butterfrog› seekerofshadowlight, that's what they ask for....
23/09/2008 21:58:40 ‹cappadocius› wait, hold on... Drakes are racist?
23/09/2008 21:58:43 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any questions for us?
23/09/2008 21:58:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› heh this i know
23/09/2008 21:58:52 ‹James Jacobs› qullans are racist. Drakes are fine.
23/09/2008 21:59:01 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: Only when they're singing the King of Spain's beard...
23/09/2008 21:59:01 ‹cappadocius› Oh. What's a qullan?
23/09/2008 21:59:05 ‹James Jacobs› I've kinda been asking questions the whole time, sort of...
23/09/2008 21:59:23 ‹James Jacobs› A qullan is a savage guy who wields a spear and has all sorts of tribal tattos that cause confusion to those who look at them.
23/09/2008 21:59:31 ‹cappadocius› huh.
23/09/2008 21:59:33 ‹cappadocius› Just a guy?
23/09/2008 21:59:35 ‹Charles Evans› ajmes Jacobs: well what are the ones you haven't been able to muster up the courage to ask until this point?
23/09/2008 21:59:42 * Bishop Wulf quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 21:59:45 ‹James Jacobs› Greyhawk did some cool stuff with their background and the like... but yeah. Just a guy.
23/09/2008 21:59:48 ‹cappadocius› Not, like, a guy with three arms or a tail or something?
23/09/2008 21:59:50 ‹cappadocius› Bah.
23/09/2008 21:59:59 ‹James Jacobs› Not as bad as the afro wearing green "orcs" of Drums on Fire Mountain, though.
23/09/2008 22:00:05 * cappadocius snorts.
23/09/2008 22:00:24 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm...
23/09/2008 22:00:30 ‹James Jacobs› Questions I haven't had the courage to ask...
23/09/2008 22:00:37 ‹James Jacobs› Hmmmmm...
23/09/2008 22:00:38 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm. I think there were some sort of tattooed savages in one of the Ravenloft compendiums in 2nd edition.
23/09/2008 22:00:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yes
23/09/2008 22:00:48 ‹cappadocius› oh! I know this will in no way make it into MMI, but something to use for the Automatons in Expedition to the Barrier Peaks, please?
23/09/2008 22:00:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› there was
23/09/2008 22:00:56 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cant recall
23/09/2008 22:00:59 ‹cappadocius› Since I don't think Warforged are Open.
23/09/2008 22:01:10 ‹seekerofshadowlight› them books are out of reach or i would look
23/09/2008 22:01:12 ‹Russ› I liked their (the qullans) stupidly sharp swords
23/09/2008 22:01:18 ‹James Jacobs› I've not really got much against tattooed savages.... but when you give them spears, and loincloths, and some other questionable description stuff... it starts looking like semi-racist stuff.
23/09/2008 22:01:21 ‹James Jacobs› Warforged. Eew.
23/09/2008 22:01:35 ‹cappadocius› Look, I just want some 3e stats for the automatons!
23/09/2008 22:01:40 ‹seekerofshadowlight› awww no like warforged huh james
23/09/2008 22:01:42 ‹cappadocius› Warforged are the closest I've got.
23/09/2008 22:01:44 ‹Blazej› You will give us robots and like it!
23/09/2008 22:01:47 ‹Russ› Cappa - object, animated
23/09/2008 22:01:53 ‹James Jacobs› There are robots in Numeria. They're not warforged. They won't make any bones about being robots. They're robots.
23/09/2008 22:01:57 ‹Russ› or a scale-down iron golem
23/09/2008 22:01:59 ‹cappadocius› Sure.
23/09/2008 22:02:06 ‹seekerofshadowlight› we do need a pathfinder liveing construct type
23/09/2008 22:02:15 ‹James Jacobs› I hate warforged. Terrible idea. Wait... a cool idea, but not for a game that's trying at the same time to be Standard D&D.
23/09/2008 22:02:16 ‹cappadocius› But, James, what do I use as stats for the Numerian robots?
23/09/2008 22:02:25 ‹Butterfrog› Cool, I have to read the Numeria section right away
23/09/2008 22:02:26 ‹James Jacobs› For now? whatever you want.
23/09/2008 22:02:30 ‹Justin Sluder› cappadocius, Clockwork Creature template, Advanced Bestiary pg 42.
23/09/2008 22:02:31 ‹seekerofshadowlight› they dont fit all worlds
23/09/2008 22:02:32 ‹Daigle› Scaled down inevitables?
23/09/2008 22:02:34 * cappadocius shakes his fist.
23/09/2008 22:02:43 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacbs: Any questions?
23/09/2008 22:02:48 ‹James Jacobs› You can use warforged if you want. or inevitables. or any kind of construct.
23/09/2008 22:02:50 * Bishop Wulf quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 22:02:57 ‹cappadocius› Justin, I *own* Eberron. I don't have the $50+ Advanced Bestiary.
23/09/2008 22:02:58 ‹James Jacobs› No questions coming to mind.
23/09/2008 22:03:01 ‹Russ› Are inevitables going to make it in? I find I really like them, to my surprise
23/09/2008 22:03:04 * Charles Evans has to go clean cache before computer seizes up....
23/09/2008 22:03:06 ‹Eyebite› flesh golems with iron golem AC and movement, and give them a high intelligence score
23/09/2008 22:03:20 ‹Charles Evans› Back later (maybe). Goodnight for now.
23/09/2008 22:03:23 ‹James Jacobs› Inevitables are probably gonna be in there. We need an outsider race for all non-neutral alignments...
23/09/2008 22:03:27 ‹Charles Evans›
23/09/2008 22:03:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya charles
23/09/2008 22:03:30 ‹cappadocius› <James Jacobs> . o O (What's UP with these weirdos and the things they like?)
23/09/2008 22:03:30 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya Charles!
23/09/2008 22:03:31 ‹Daigle› Goodnight charles
23/09/2008 22:03:31 * Charles Evans quit
23/09/2008 22:03:40 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> I know!
23/09/2008 22:03:58 ‹Blazej› Night Charles.
23/09/2008 22:04:03 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i liked the whole inevitable race
23/09/2008 22:04:14 ‹Moth working› I like waforged ... in Eberron. Not outside it
23/09/2008 22:04:21 * Russ can live without lammasu, tho
23/09/2008 22:04:23 ‹James Jacobs› Why can't everyone be normal and like dinosaurs and demons and Warcraft and Rikku and cats and Lovecraft and artichokes and Cloverfield and froghemoths?
23/09/2008 22:04:30 ‹cappadocius› Also, not to sound like a broken record, but please, please, PLEASE address the question of mounts for gnomes. You've got your horses and ponies and riding dogs. NONE of those are appropriate mounts for gnomes.
23/09/2008 22:04:32 ‹NiTessine› I like modrons.
23/09/2008 22:04:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yes warforged do not fit many worlds
23/09/2008 22:04:41 ‹James Jacobs› Gnomes ride cats
23/09/2008 22:04:43 ‹Russ› why can't gnomes ride ponies?
23/09/2008 22:04:48 ‹James Jacobs› Like leopards or mountain lions.
23/09/2008 22:04:48 ‹Blazej› Dire badger?
23/09/2008 22:04:50 ‹Daigle› Intelligent artichokes?
23/09/2008 22:04:51 ‹cappadocius› Because ponies are HUGE.
23/09/2008 22:04:55 ‹cappadocius› James, seriously?
3/09/2008 22:04:55 ‹James Jacobs› Lini, or iconic druid, rides a snow leopard.
23/09/2008 22:04:57 ‹Eyebite› gnomes ride halflings
23/09/2008 22:05:01 ‹Russ› shetland ponies?
23/09/2008 22:05:04 ‹cappadocius› Well, sure, LINI does.
23/09/2008 22:05:06 ‹Moth working› artichokes are weird
23/09/2008 22:05:08 ‹Justin Sluder› nomes ride oats!
23/09/2008 22:05:17 ‹cappadocius› Russ, I always wondered why halflings rode dogs instead of shetlands, actually.
23/09/2008 22:05:18 ‹James Jacobs› And she's the closest thing we have to an iconic gnome.
23/09/2008 22:05:30 ‹Russ› If a man can ride a clydesdale, why can't a gnome ride a small pony?
23/09/2008 22:05:31 ‹cappadocius› But dammit, if halflings ride dogs, I'm sticking with gnomes riding goats.
23/09/2008 22:05:33 ‹James Jacobs› Gnomes can ride wolves too. That's kinda cool
23/09/2008 22:05:42 * Sir Wulf joins Main
23/09/2008 22:05:43 ‹James Jacobs› Halflings don't ride animals really. They walk
23/09/2008 22:05:49 ‹Russ› Goats is kind of cool and links to one of my favorite odd items!
23/09/2008 22:05:54 ‹James Jacobs› Or ride wagons drawn by ponies or mules.
23/09/2008 22:05:57 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Wulf
23/09/2008 22:05:59 ‹Moth working› My first AD&D character rode a lammasu ... yeah, i was 10, sue me
23/09/2008 22:06:03 ‹cappadocius› James, so are Riding Dogs getting a new name, then?
23/09/2008 22:06:07 ‹James Jacobs› Gnomes can also ride geckos.
23/09/2008 22:06:13 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey wulf
23/09/2008 22:06:15 ‹Russ› dragonne should get cut
23/09/2008 22:06:16 ‹James Jacobs› I'd LOVE to rename "Riding Dog" to "Mastiff"
23/09/2008 22:06:21 ‹Butterfrog› James Jacobs, Dire geckos!
23/09/2008 22:06:21 ‹cappadocius› PLEASE do.
23/09/2008 22:06:22 ‹James Jacobs› I'd also love to get rid of "Warpony."
23/09/2008 22:06:23 ‹Russ› Even though it's been there since MM1
23/09/2008 22:06:30 ‹Russ› PLEASE DO!
23/09/2008 22:06:33 ‹Russ› Warpony! barf!
23/09/2008 22:06:51 ‹Daigle› Apocalypse Shetland!
23/09/2008 22:06:52 ‹James Jacobs› Dragonne is on the low end of the "monsters to retain." I'll cut the blink dog just before the dragonne.
23/09/2008 22:07:01 ‹cappadocius› noooo! Not Blinky!
23/09/2008 22:07:02 ‹James Jacobs› Would folk miss blink dogs?
23/09/2008 22:07:06 * Sothal@work joins Main
23/09/2008 22:07:08 ‹cappadocius› yes.
23/09/2008 22:07:09 ‹Daigle› Some would
23/09/2008 22:07:13 ‹Blazej› Only half the time.
23/09/2008 22:07:14 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Sothal
23/09/2008 22:07:14 ‹Eyebite› gnomes could also ride giant bats
23/09/2008 22:07:16 ‹Moth working› Blink Dogs!!
23/09/2008 22:07:19 ‹Russ› Not even a little bit.
23/09/2008 22:07:20 ‹Justin Sluder› Blazej,
23/09/2008 22:07:22 ‹Pygon› there's a whole nation of 'em
23/09/2008 22:07:28 ‹Daigle› Nice one Blazej!
23/09/2008 22:07:32 ‹James Jacobs› Since their big thing is being anti-displacer beast and we can't use displacer beasts, and since the blink mechanic is overly complex and kind of should go away?
23/09/2008 22:07:32 ‹Blazej›
23/09/2008 22:07:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› count me in the likeing blink dogs
23/09/2008 22:07:36 ‹Sothal@work› heya people
23/09/2008 22:07:45 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sothal
23/09/2008 22:07:45 ‹Russ› Blink dogs lost a lot of their reason for existing when displacer beasts wen...ninja'd by the rock star James
23/09/2008 22:07:50 ‹Butterfrog› Hi sothal
23/09/2008 22:08:01 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey sothal
23/09/2008 22:08:14 ‹Moth working› I normally don't like the thing of tacking "War-" onto the front of anything to make it kewl, but Warpony actually makes sense ... I mean, we have warhorses, if a small race breeds and trains ponies for battle why not warpony?
23/09/2008 22:08:25 ‹Blazej› I enjoy of blink dogs, but if we were going by what I enjoy there would be very little room in this MM.
23/09/2008 22:08:36 ‹James Jacobs› And that's the problem. If you cut a monster, you are pretty much guarenteed to be pissing a not-unsizable part of your audiance off. Especially if the monster's been around since 1st edition, like dragonnes or blink dogs. Cutting things like delvers or phasms, though... that's a LOT easier.
23/09/2008 22:08:39 ‹Blazej› Moth working, MMII
23/09/2008 22:08:39 ‹Moth working› oh yeah ... true, no displacer beasts, maybe no blink dogs.....
23/09/2008 22:08:49 ‹cappadocius› Noooo! Not Delvers!
23/09/2008 22:08:54 ‹James Jacobs› I'm gonna be gunning for cutting war horse too, ya know.
23/09/2008 22:08:54 * Butterfrog is beign summoned by wife...can't resist the calling....
23/09/2008 22:08:58 ‹cappadocius› Keep Delvers before you keep Blink Dogs!
23/09/2008 22:09:11 ‹cappadocius› Also, are Ixitxachitl Open?
23/09/2008 22:09:13 ‹NiTessine› Did anyone ever actually use the delver?
23/09/2008 22:09:13 ‹James Jacobs› The horse page should have Light horse and Heavy horse. "War" should be a feat that animals can take.
23/09/2008 22:09:16 ‹Justin Sluder› Butterfrog, is it lacey?
23/09/2008 22:09:18 * cappadocius is flipping through his 1977 MM.
23/09/2008 22:09:22 ‹cappadocius› NiTessine, Yes!
23/09/2008 22:09:24 ‹Russ› Warhose should just be an elite horse.
23/09/2008 22:09:28 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm. Actually... I think I'd like to do the horse page with 1 half page horse, and 1 half page pony.
23/09/2008 22:09:30 ‹Butterfrog› private stuff Justin! hehehe
23/09/2008 22:09:33 ‹Butterfrog› Buenas noches señor, gotta go
23/09/2008 22:09:35 ‹Blazej› Moth working, the Warbeast template!
23/09/2008 22:09:38 ‹James Jacobs› Ixitxachitl are not open.
23/09/2008 22:09:39 ‹Justin Sluder› Butterfrog, right
23/09/2008 22:09:42 ‹Justin Sluder› cya Hugo!
23/09/2008 22:09:47 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Hugo!
23/09/2008 22:09:49 ‹Russ› and I don't really think "light" vs. "heavy" adds that much to the game.
23/09/2008 22:10:03 ‹James Jacobs› We put a delver into an adventure in Dungeon, but that was mostly because Nick Logue heard me badmouthing how stupid they are and put one in to spite me.
23/09/2008 22:10:03 ‹Pygon› good, I couldn't pronounce it anyway.
23/09/2008 22:10:16 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs,
23/09/2008 22:10:18 ‹Blazej› Behold! The warbeast monkey!
23/09/2008 22:10:20 ‹Eyebite› Ixitxachitl...I could never pronounce that. So, I never used them
23/09/2008 22:10:24 ‹James Jacobs› Better to put in a single horse, and then have, say, a feat that is "
23/09/2008 22:10:25 ‹James Jacobs› FAST
23/09/2008 22:10:31 ‹James Jacobs› ANd then give that to a horse.
23/09/2008 22:10:35 ‹James Jacobs› TO make it faster.
23/09/2008 22:10:46 * Butterfrog quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 22:10:53 ‹cappadocius› Perytons! Giant Portuguese Man-o-War!
23/09/2008 22:10:55 ‹Moth working› James, thats a good idea for horses
23/09/2008 22:10:56 ‹Russ› Also, consider making it wolf/mastiff
23/09/2008 22:10:59 ‹James Jacobs› But there sure as hell isn't going to be what ammounts to 8 different horses in the book.
23/09/2008 22:11:01 ‹Russ› One entry, two critters
23/09/2008 22:11:19 ‹James Jacobs› I'd probably do dog/mastiff for the dog page. And on the wolf page, wolf/dire wolf.
23/09/2008 22:11:35 ‹cappadocius› Su-Monsters!
23/09/2008 22:11:38 ‹cappadocius› Are those Open?
23/09/2008 22:11:46 ‹Russ› Ah, I miss su-monsters!
23/09/2008 22:11:47 ‹Pygon› oh man, memories
23/09/2008 22:11:51 ‹Russ› They had an appearance in the D&D coloring book
23/09/2008 22:12:14 ‹James Jacobs› giant centipede/centipede swarm, giant scorpion/scorpion swarm, deinonychus/tyrannosaurus, and elephant/mammoth are other examples I'm toying with to squeeze more monsters in.
23/09/2008 22:12:26 ‹James Jacobs› I have that D&D coloring book on my shelf at work. it's awesome.
23/09/2008 22:12:36 ‹Russ› *nods*
23/09/2008 22:12:45 ‹Russ› I prize it
23/09/2008 22:12:45 ‹James Jacobs› Su-monsters aren't open.
23/09/2008 22:12:47 ‹James Jacobs› I don't think.
23/09/2008 22:12:50 ‹cappadocius› Damn!
23/09/2008 22:12:56 ‹James Jacobs› They are if they're from mythology...
23/09/2008 22:13:04 ‹cappadocius› I was gonna say that if it's in the coloring book, it makes it into the MM.
23/09/2008 22:13:17 ‹Russ› Demo is in that.
23/09/2008 22:13:26 ‹Russ› And the famous shot of the night hag on the nightmare. LOVE that art.
23/09/2008 22:13:30 ‹James Jacobs› That means that we have Demogorgon, titanotheres, and necrophiliacs.
23/09/2008 22:13:39 ‹Russ› Beholders are in that book
23/09/2008 22:13:44 ‹James Jacobs› I love how it actually says the night hag is the lich's lover.
23/09/2008 22:13:53 ‹Russ› *nods*
23/09/2008 22:14:04 ‹Russ› Apparently some parts are more undead than others
23/09/2008 22:14:09 ‹cappadocius› Stupid coloring book!
23/09/2008 22:14:15 ‹cappadocius› Being all product identity.
23/09/2008 22:14:15 ‹Blazej› I can see you fitting two versions of an animal monster onto one page. I'm not sure if three monsters could fit (for things like rats and bats, which come in dire, swarm, and classic flavors).
23/09/2008 22:14:21 ‹Sir Wulf› necrophiliacs? Sounds like you'll call in Pett and Logue, then.
23/09/2008 22:14:36 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Gentle repose, Russ.
23/09/2008 22:14:40 ‹James Jacobs› Nothing gentle about that!
23/09/2008 22:15:03 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Currently... i have only one 3 monster page: Baleen whale/sperm whale/orca
23/09/2008 22:15:19 ‹seekerofshadowlight› eh well didnt elmister have a lich lover as well?
23/09/2008 22:15:19 ‹cappadocius› You could put orca on the same page as dolphin.
23/09/2008 22:15:32 ‹cappadocius› Seeing as Orca *are* giant dolphins.
23/09/2008 22:15:34 ‹James Jacobs› But I think that'd work better as gray whale/sperm whale and narwhal/orca on 2 pages. Or yeah, dolphin/orca.
23/09/2008 22:15:35 ‹cappadocius› "dolphins"
23/09/2008 22:15:36 ‹seekerofshadowlight› the spellgruard chick?
23/09/2008 22:15:47 ‹Russ› narhwal! I would love to see the narwhal back!
23/09/2008 22:15:50 ‹Eyebite› You could put all of those on the same page as tuna :rimshot:
23/09/2008 22:16:00 ‹James Jacobs› Elmisnter has XXX lover. As in... one of every race that's sexy in any way.
23/09/2008 22:16:06 ‹Moth working› gentle respose oh my!
23/09/2008 22:16:14 ‹Russ› Mary Sue, I'm looking at you.
23/09/2008 22:16:33 ‹cappadocius› How about Dabus?
23/09/2008 22:16:35 ‹Moth working› repose....
23/09/2008 22:16:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well there is that
23/09/2008 22:16:47 ‹cappadocius› Any chance of them slipping in, since we've got so many Outsiders?
23/09/2008 22:16:49 ‹Justin Sluder› dammit!
23/09/2008 22:16:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› he is a honry old man
23/09/2008 22:16:54 ‹James Jacobs› Also how we plan on getting all the familiars in there. Toad/Giant Toad; Lizard/Monitor Lizard; Bat/dire bat; cat/leopard
23/09/2008 22:16:56 ‹Justin Sluder› I need to sleep
23/09/2008 22:16:56 ‹James Jacobs› and so on
23/09/2008 22:16:58 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well they are wizards
23/09/2008 22:17:01 ‹Justin Sluder› have fun all
23/09/2008 22:17:02 ‹Moth working› did Elminster ever get it on with a gnome?
23/09/2008 22:17:03 ‹Russ› leucrottas.
23/09/2008 22:17:04 ‹James Jacobs› Dabus are not open.
23/09/2008 22:17:08 ‹Eyebite› Night Justin
23/09/2008 22:17:13 ‹cappadocius› There's 3e Dabus!?
23/09/2008 22:17:17 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Justin!
23/09/2008 22:17:18 ‹James Jacobs› We're doing leucrottas in Pathfinder 17, actually.
23/09/2008 22:17:20 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, sir, thanks for stopping by. Have fun.
23/09/2008 22:17:29 ‹Eyebite› Moth they did, and the child was named Willow
23/09/2008 22:17:33 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Manual of the PLanes and then updated in Expedition to the Demonweb Pits.
23/09/2008 22:17:36 ‹Moth working› ha!
23/09/2008 22:17:36 ‹Justin Sluder› Have fun all and keep some sleep/work done sometime!
23/09/2008 22:17:40 ‹Russ› I don't suppose we can axe the jello mold? (gelatinous cube)
23/09/2008 22:17:45 ‹cappadocius› 3.5 MotP, right?
23/09/2008 22:17:47 * Justin Sluder waves g'night to everyone
23/09/2008 22:17:51 ‹James Jacobs› Nope. Gelatinous cube is hard core iconic.
23/09/2008 22:17:54 ‹Pygon› gnite Justin
23/09/2008 22:17:55 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin the er
23/09/2008 22:17:56 ‹cappadocius› You don't DARE axe the gelatin... right.
23/09/2008 22:18:01 * Russ just used jello mold in Age of Worms not 2 months ago, so he's a hypocrit
23/09/2008 22:18:07 ‹James Jacobs› And I think i want to give those poor oozes each their own page, in the proper spots in the alphabet.
23/09/2008 22:18:20 ‹James Jacobs› OH!
23/09/2008 22:18:28 ‹Daigle› Give oozes their props!
23/09/2008 22:18:31 ‹cappadocius› Are things like Green Slime, Grey Ooze, Yellow Mold, and so on going to remain hazards?
23/09/2008 22:18:33 ‹Sir Wulf› Don't tell me there isn't room for gelatinous cubes?
23/09/2008 22:18:41 ‹Moth working› you cant axe the gelatinous cube Russ
23/09/2008 22:18:41 ‹James Jacobs› What about hazards? You want living hazards in the book? Green slime, rot grub, ear seeker, yellow mold, etc?
23/09/2008 22:18:42 * Russ wants the gray oozes and ochre jellies to get more love
23/09/2008 22:18:43 ‹Eyebite› slithering tracker FTW
23/09/2008 22:18:45 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
23/09/2008 22:18:50 ‹Pygon› "I'm a pineapple chunk!"
23/09/2008 22:18:55 ‹Moth working› that just chops it into two cubes doesnt it?
23/09/2008 22:18:58 ‹cappadocius› James, I think that's a yes.
23/09/2008 22:18:59 ‹Russ› I *hate* the ear seeker, but cheer the return of the rot grub
23/09/2008 22:19:19 ‹cappadocius› I will write an Ecology of the Ear Seeker just to spite you, Russ.
23/09/2008 22:19:25 ‹James Jacobs› Thing is... now that Star Trek 2 is out there... ear seakers have more traction than rot grubs.
23/09/2008 22:19:29 ‹Russ› I would like to see living hzards in the mm
23/09/2008 22:19:46 ‹Pygon› Slither doesn't help rot grubs?
23/09/2008 22:19:48 ‹Russ› I just hate how they have no reason to exist as written. Fix that and I would like them.
23/09/2008 22:19:53 ‹Russ› But the "living in doors" thing is dumb
23/09/2008 22:20:14 ‹Daigle› It's the best way to find ears
23/09/2008 22:20:19 ‹Eyebite› Alrighty guys, I'm out! G'night!
23/09/2008 22:20:19 ‹James Jacobs› Well... listening at doors is pretty extinct these days anyway.
23/09/2008 22:20:23 ‹Daigle› Which they seek even
23/09/2008 22:20:29 ‹Pygon› bye Eyebite
23/09/2008 22:20:29 ‹cappadocius› *sigh* yeah.
23/09/2008 22:20:30 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Eyebite!
23/09/2008 22:20:55 ‹James Jacobs› We'd probably still call them ear seakers but rebuild them so that they seek out any moist wet hole to feed on and lay eggs in. At which point they're basically less onerous rot grubs. So maybe they don't need to be in the book.
23/09/2008 22:20:58 * cappadocius liked the archaeological expedition mode of dungeon crawling more than the home invasion style so popular these days.
23/09/2008 22:21:10 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
23/09/2008 22:21:42 ‹James Jacobs› Agreed, cappa. The home invasion mode is somethign that I think was pretty much popularized by WotC; that's CERTAINLY the type of game they seem to favor.
23/09/2008 22:21:49 ‹James Jacobs› A much more tactical game.
23/09/2008 22:21:51 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 22:21:51 ‹Russ› Flash-bangs
23/09/2008 22:21:55 ‹James Jacobs› OK!
23/09/2008 22:21:55 ‹cappadocius› yeah.
23/09/2008 22:21:56 ‹Russ› And yeah, I like the CRAWL, not the raid.
23/09/2008 22:22:06 ‹cappadocius› I like bringing hirelings.
23/09/2008 22:22:15 ‹cappadocius› Man, can we get hirelings put back into the equipment tables?
23/09/2008 22:22:18 ‹Russ› The minutes duration spells really add to the dungeon crasher mentality
23/09/2008 22:22:24 * David quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 22:22:27 ‹James Jacobs› In Azeroth, my night elf is hoping to earn enough Brewfest tokens to get on the Brew of the Month club. SO! Any last minute questions?
23/09/2008 22:22:31 ‹Russ› Torchboy! Shieldbearer!
23/09/2008 22:22:35 ‹James Jacobs› And that's an interesting observation about minutes durations, Russ.
23/09/2008 22:22:40 ‹James Jacobs› Very interesting observation.
23/09/2008 22:22:42 ‹James Jacobs› hMMMMMMMMMMMM.
23/09/2008 22:22:47 ‹Daigle› It's so true
23/09/2008 22:22:53 ‹Pygon› hmm 10 min/level coming back?
23/09/2008 22:22:53 ‹cappadocius› yep.
23/09/2008 22:23:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah much liked spells that had hours
23/09/2008 22:23:05 ‹Daigle› "C'mon guys, my spells are gonna run out."
23/09/2008 22:23:15 ‹seekerofshadowlight› longer would be better
23/09/2008 22:23:16 ‹Russ› "Hurry up, we've got buffs running!"
23/09/2008 22:23:20 ‹Daigle› "Fine, you check for traps, wizard."
23/09/2008 22:23:24 ‹Pygon› thanks again for your time James
23/09/2008 22:23:29 ‹James Jacobs› Cutting down the number of buff spells you can h ave on you would SUPER speed high level play.
23/09/2008 22:23:30 ‹Russ› Shorter or longer. Minutes is the one that sure seems to cause issues with hurry the hell up
23/09/2008 22:23:32 ‹cappadocius› Thank you, James.
23/09/2008 22:23:36 ‹seekerofshadowlight› groups tend to rush rooms when they only have 15 mins max on a spell
23/09/2008 22:23:50 ‹Russ› Yeah. I dislike it for being mechnical vs. story, but I like it for fixing the endless buff convos.
23/09/2008 22:23:53 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i would say 4 be a nice max
23/09/2008 22:23:58 ‹James Jacobs› It'd be good to go with 1/round level, 10/minutes level and 1 hour/level, I th ink.
23/09/2008 22:24:10 ‹Russ› My Age of Worms game (now 19th level) is sagging BADLY from 30 minute buff conversations before each encounter
23/09/2008 22:24:22 ‹James Jacobs› The endless buff combos crash the game though. That's the #1 reason folk hate high-level play.
23/09/2008 22:24:23 ‹cappadocius› You get as many buffs as you can provide the bonus for without stopping to calculate.
23/09/2008 22:24:35 ‹Russ› Agreed. It is ahead of "damned math".
23/09/2008 22:24:49 ‹James Jacobs› And ditching the 1 minute spells and/or limiting the number of "buff slots" you have would both do wonders.
23/09/2008 22:24:56 ‹James Jacobs› I'm emailing that to me at work right the hell now.
23/09/2008 22:24:57 * cappadocius nods.
23/09/2008 22:25:05 ‹Pygon› max buff slots. hmm...
23/09/2008 22:25:06 ‹Daigle› One thing I've been hearing at my table lately is, "Okay I do 23 points of damage.....no wait, plus one for XXX, 24. No wait, 25."
23/09/2008 22:25:11 * Russ is happy he is useful for more than being snarky
23/09/2008 22:25:23 ‹Russ› Daigle - yeah, that's the #2 problem in Age of Worms 19th level
23/09/2008 22:25:34 ‹Daigle› I instituted a three second rule on telling me the proper damage or I move on.
23/09/2008 22:25:37 ‹seekerofshadowlight› go with 3 or 4 buffs max
23/09/2008 22:25:38 ‹cappadocius› Good!
23/09/2008 22:25:44 ‹James Jacobs› That's somethign that Jason tried in an earleir playtest; buff slots. A lot fo folk hated it. But I think it's KEY to making the end game work.
23/09/2008 22:25:46 ‹Russ› #3 is the 15 minute adventuring day, but I can stomp that out with good DMing more easily than the other two
23/09/2008 22:25:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› that should cut it down big time
23/09/2008 22:25:57 ‹James Jacobs› You can even subcatogorize those slots.
23/09/2008 22:26:25 ‹seekerofshadowlight› buff slots sound good to me
23/09/2008 22:26:27 ‹James Jacobs› AND it adds I think a fun level of tactical work to it. You can't have all 5 protection from energys, for example.
23/09/2008 22:26:38 ‹Pygon› that happens? good god.
23/09/2008 22:26:40 ‹Moth working› buff slots seems like a good idea
23/09/2008 22:26:49 ‹James Jacobs› It keeps things like energy damage, poison, disease, fear, and the like in the game at high level.
23/09/2008 22:27:03 ‹James Jacobs› Try it out in your games!
23/09/2008 22:27:07 ‹James Jacobs› See if it works!
23/09/2008 22:27:16 ‹cappadocius› Of course, another thing that slows down play is "same type of buff doesn't stack"
23/09/2008 22:27:20 ‹James Jacobs› It'd CERTAINLY make resolving dispel magic a lot more swift.
23/09/2008 22:27:29 ‹Pygon› of course buff slots just means more Xmas tree
23/09/2008 22:27:30 ‹Sothal@work› How would those buff slots interact with magic items?
23/09/2008 22:27:30 ‹Sir Wulf› You all have a good night!
23/09/2008 22:27:35 ‹cappadocius› So, you have to go checking, is this a Natural Armor bonus or just an Armor Bonus or a Dodge Bonus, or what?
23/09/2008 22:27:38 ‹Pygon› gnite Wulf
23/09/2008 22:27:45 ‹cappadocius› Good night, Wulf!
23/09/2008 22:27:47 * Charles Evans joins Main
23/09/2008 22:27:48 ‹James Jacobs› Buff slots are independant of items.
23/09/2008 22:27:57 ‹Daigle› Will you write a letter to the guys at my table to keep them from b%+&$ing?
23/09/2008 22:28:04 ‹Charles Evans› hah. BAck, and for what it's wrth, I have posted, asking the dragon question.
23/09/2008 22:28:10 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well the xmas tree is a bit less now
23/09/2008 22:28:20 ‹James Jacobs› If you have boots of striding and springing, they'd work fine. But if you had boots of speed, and you activated the haste effect, since it's a timed effect that isn't persistant, that haste would take up a buff slot.
23/09/2008 22:28:23 ‹Charles Evans› At least now we'l know for certain.
23/09/2008 22:28:45 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 22:28:49 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> HA!
23/09/2008 22:28:57 ‹Russ› James - gah. I won't even use dispel magic against them, it would take an hour
23/09/2008 22:29:17 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Exactly. And that's an example of the game not working.
23/09/2008 22:29:23 ‹James Jacobs› I like buff slots.
23/09/2008 22:29:30 ‹James Jacobs› I'd call them something else, probably.
23/09/2008 22:29:51 ‹cappadocius› Chakras!
23/09/2008 22:29:58 ‹James Jacobs› And I'd probably tie them to level. "Your total buff slots = your character level divided by 5, minimum 1.
23/09/2008 22:30:00 ‹James Jacobs› yeah
23/09/2008 22:30:01 ‹Daigle›
23/09/2008 22:30:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well ya could even put a fluff reson for them not to work
23/09/2008 22:30:11 ‹Russ› I'd probably rig boots of speed to not use the haste rules, under those conditions. though that means more text, sigh
23/09/2008 22:30:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ah i like that
23/09/2008 22:30:16 ‹Russ› And yes, tie them to level
23/09/2008 22:30:19 ‹Pygon› must.. get.. to 5th.. level....
23/09/2008 22:30:22 ‹Sothal@work› not chakras, we have that in MoI
23/09/2008 22:30:25 ‹James Jacobs› Just that too much magic balanced on one target gets all sloppy.
23/09/2008 22:30:31 ‹James Jacobs› MoI?
23/09/2008 22:30:39 ‹cappadocius› Magic of Incarnum, I think.
23/09/2008 22:30:39 ‹Sothal@work› Magic of Incarnum
23/09/2008 22:30:41 ‹Moth working› magic of incarnum
23/09/2008 22:30:48 ‹cappadocius› I AM THE FASTEST
23/09/2008 22:30:49 ‹James Jacobs› Sothal> Oh; incarnum. That's not open to us anyway... so it can go to hell!
23/09/2008 22:30:51 ‹seekerofshadowlight› just say its to do with magices aura affect or something
23/09/2008 22:31:03 ‹James Jacobs› But chakras isn't quite the right word anyway.
23/09/2008 22:31:04 ‹Pygon› mrthinks he don't like that.
23/09/2008 22:31:08 ‹Charles Evans› Buff slots have a problem wih the combi belt in Beta.
23/09/2008 22:31:08 ‹Sothal@work› Magical endurance
23/09/2008 22:31:12 ‹James Jacobs› I"m not a fan of Incarnum.
23/09/2008 22:31:13 ‹Moth working› cappa: but you only htought - the rest of us were sure!
23/09/2008 22:31:18 ‹Moth working› thought
23/09/2008 22:31:21 ‹Charles Evans› There's a belt which buffs strength, Con, and Dex.
23/09/2008 22:31:34 ‹Charles Evans› think there's a headband which does the other three, too.
23/09/2008 22:31:37 ‹cappadocius› It's an item.
23/09/2008 22:31:38 ‹Pygon› yes
23/09/2008 22:31:40 ‹seekerofshadowlight› what about essence or something
23/09/2008 22:31:40 ‹James Jacobs› BUT, that gives us some cool feat or class abilities. A feat that increases your buff slot total by +1, for example. And so on.
23/09/2008 22:31:42 ‹cappadocius› Items don't count.
23/09/2008 22:32:02 ‹cappadocius› Abjurers can surpass others slot totals.
23/09/2008 22:32:06 ‹cappadocius› yess.
22:32:27 ‹seekerofshadowlight› humm the slots have a lot of nice angles
23/09/2008 22:32:32 ‹James Jacobs› Setting it up so that the only items that would count would be spell trigger and spell completion effects would be the way to go. So then boots of speed would use the boot slot to power that haste effect. WHich means that's a reason to keep the boots even though your group can cast haste.
23/09/2008 22:32:35 ‹Russ› *nods* as long as it is slotted, that's great.
23/09/2008 22:32:45 ‹Russ› Ah, yes.
23/09/2008 22:32:48 ‹Russ› I like that.
23/09/2008 22:33:16 ‹James Jacobs› And then, on your charcter sheet, you can have four blank lines for your buff effects or whatever. That'd get erased through fast... but it'd be easy to track.
23/09/2008 22:33:34 ‹Daigle› I certainly think that items the PCs have shouldn't get in the way of effects that the party casters can supply to the group.
23/09/2008 22:33:42 ‹James Jacobs› But again... the original attempt to do buff slots had a pretty negative reaction from the playtesters.
23/09/2008 22:33:56 ‹James Jacobs› I think that when we get to the high-level playtest we'll force them to try it again though.
23/09/2008 22:34:01 * cappadocius now envisions an entirely impractical "Gloom" style system of buff overlays for your character sheet.
23/09/2008 22:34:02 ‹Russ› *nods* I will try it and give feedback
23/09/2008 22:34:06 ‹James Jacobs› If we ramp back on teh 1/min durations, that might help.
23/09/2008 22:34:15 ‹seekerofshadowlight› good i dont see it as a bad thing
23/09/2008 22:34:24 ‹Daigle› Longer durations would help a lot of things int he game
23/09/2008 22:34:30 * Russ is seriously enthused about easier high-level play
23/09/2008 22:34:53 ‹cappadocius› oh! Speaking of slots, James, have you followed the discussion about Fighters and Feat Swapping?
23/09/2008 22:34:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah some durations are way short
23/09/2008 22:35:00 ‹Daigle› I'd like to not hate high level play.
23/09/2008 22:35:10 ‹Daigle› So anything to assist that will be apreciated.
23/09/2008 22:35:14 ‹Russ› I love high level stories.
23/09/2008 22:35:20 ‹Russ› But the combats put my table to sleep.
23/09/2008 22:35:21 ‹James Jacobs› It might even be worth it to take a cue from 4th edition and have spells and effects have durations of 1 encounter, 5 encounters, 1 game session, 1 day, etc.
23/09/2008 22:35:28 ‹cappadocius› nngh.
23/09/2008 22:35:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› did not iron heros have something like that cappa
23/09/2008 22:35:31 ‹Pygon› >.<
23/09/2008 22:35:34 ‹cappadocius› A little TOO gamey.
23/09/2008 22:35:37 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> I have not followed that discussion no.
23/09/2008 22:35:58 ‹Russ› I dunno. Encounter spells somewhat work for me. The battle is over, the energy that keeps the spell alive dissipates with the adrenaline?
23/09/2008 22:36:00 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> yeah, I agree... but so are the concept of hit points.
23/09/2008 22:36:06 ‹Charles Evans› 'encounters' is too metagame
23/09/2008 22:36:18 ‹Charles Evans› for me
23/09/2008 22:36:28 ‹Pygon› a cruel DM just keeps the encounter going. Uh oh, here comes another one!
23/09/2008 22:36:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i dont like the whol encounter duration thing
23/09/2008 22:36:47 ‹Pygon› actually, wait, that helps PCs.
23/09/2008 22:36:51 ‹Russ› Encounter spells do somewhat break down on wave fights
23/09/2008 22:36:56 ‹Sothal@work› How about spells with duration and 'on' and 'standby'?
23/09/2008 22:37:04 ‹Charles Evans› It nmesses with my suspension of disbelief, which is fine if I'm playing, but if I'm DMing I want to really be able to engage to do my best to present for the players.
23/09/2008 22:37:12 ‹James Jacobs› I'm really interested in seeing that high level playtest come along.
23/09/2008 22:37:15 ‹cappadocius› Sothal, "hanging spells"? I kind of like that.
23/09/2008 22:37:22 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ya mean more passive and attack sothal?
23/09/2008 22:37:31 ‹Pygon› I'm eager to see what Jason does to address high level.
23/09/2008 22:37:43 ‹cappadocius› Like, your spell duration only decreases while you're ACTIVELY using the magic?
23/09/2008 22:37:58 ‹seekerofshadowlight› what ideal have you thrown around about high level play james?
23/09/2008 22:37:59 ‹Sothal@work› yeah
23/09/2008 22:38:16 ‹Charles Evans› There was a 'turn on and turn off' option in 2nd edition, wasn't there? In Spells & Magic?
23/09/2008 22:38:16 ‹cappadocius› I kinda like the idea of that Sothal, but the bookkeeping would be a nightmare.
23/09/2008 22:38:29 ‹Sothal@work› true
23/09/2008 22:38:38 ‹Daigle› The text for spells would be longer too.
23/09/2008 22:38:49 ‹cappadocius› Why's that, Daigle?
23/09/2008 22:38:51 ‹Charles Evans› You could have something like 'you can take 100 rounds worth of spells total'.
23/09/2008 22:39:06 ‹Charles Evans› and that pool gets spent from for the duration of ALL spells.
23/09/2008 22:39:11 ‹Russ› Ugh.
23/09/2008 22:39:13 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i do think durations need a bit longer as they make groups rush to much
23/09/2008 22:39:15 ‹Daigle› To explain a new specific function of the spell in two different situations?
23/09/2008 22:39:17 ‹Sothal@work› I would only have one of those spell at one time
23/09/2008 22:39:18 ‹Russ› Break out the calculator, that's all I am saying
23/09/2008 22:39:19 ‹cappadocius› Yeah, can't back that one, Charles.
23/09/2008 22:39:23 ‹James Jacobs› I've been running Savage Tide for my home group for months. They're halfway through "Enemies of My Enemy;" they're all currently 19th level. Personally... we have fun with it. Mostly. One of the players isn't too happy with how long it takes for turns to resolve... but overall... i don't have as much aproblem as a lot of folk seem to.
23/09/2008 22:39:26 ‹cappadocius› Daigle? I don't follow.
23/09/2008 22:39:40 ‹James Jacobs› Another thing that kills high level play, though, are spells with casting times of shorter than 1 action.
23/09/2008 22:39:45 ‹James Jacobs› ESPECIALLY immediate actions.
23/09/2008 22:39:50 ‹Charles Evans› Oh the tiems such as boots of speed for haste does not work.
23/09/2008 22:39:57 ‹Charles Evans› item exceptiion, I mean.
23/09/2008 22:40:00 ‹Daigle› Maybe I misunderstood the suggestion of having a spell have a standby and active concept.
23/09/2008 22:40:16 ‹Charles Evans› You just end up with a party carrying a hudnred pairs of boots of speed around in a portable hole.
22:40:39 ‹cappadocius› So, say you have a Light spell, Daigle, with a duration of ten rounds. You cast it, and only use the light for two rounds. You can then dismiss the effect, and bring it back up without casting for 8 more rounds.
23/09/2008 22:40:43 ‹Pygon› they don't already?
23/09/2008 22:40:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i would like to see less magic item walmart
23/09/2008 22:40:48 ‹Sothal@work› standby = spell is on the target, but no active buff
23/09/2008 22:41:07 ‹James Jacobs› But the game itself has a rhythm. Everyone basically gets one move action, one standard action. Goes around the table, one at a time. When you throw in immediate or free actions, suddenly one player's effectively taking "extra turns" in a round, and as a result gaining more play time and robbing other players of play time. That's not fun for the non-fast characters.
23/09/2008 22:41:08 ‹Charles Evans› Pygon: umm, scrolls are cheaper.
23/09/2008 22:41:16 ‹Russ› Seeker, as in not being able to buy any magic item under the gold limit of a city?
23/09/2008 22:41:27 ‹Charles Evans› Or pearls of power/sorcerers
23/09/2008 22:41:36 ‹Charles Evans› Bards for that matter.
23/09/2008 22:41:43 ‹seekerofshadowlight› as in there not as common at all
23/09/2008 22:41:50 ‹Daigle› Okay, so that wouldn't change from spell to spell. No extra text in the spell description then.
23/09/2008 22:41:52 ‹Pygon› that's the DM's domain, I'd say.
23/09/2008 22:41:57 * cappadocius is kind of a "dick" and would, were he running with a group who trusted him give spells a standard casting time - 1 round per spell level.
23/09/2008 22:42:05 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i always hated the ideal that all citys just churred out magic items
23/09/2008 22:42:14 ‹Charles Evans› The current assumption is that you can walk into a city and buy a magic item fairly easily if it s within the GP limit.
23/09/2008 22:42:30 ‹Russ› James - agreed there. One possibility is more swift actions for non-casters. But I've seen wizard turns (and done them) that even without summons are: I guide my phantom steed, draw a rod with my move action, cast, cast a quickened spell, trigger my contigency by saying "Frekcles" in orcish, and then my familiar...."
23/09/2008 22:42:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep and thats worg to me charles
23/09/2008 22:42:38 ‹James Jacobs› Best case scenario, I think, is to build a system that simulates magic item stock levels in stores. But tracking all that can get pretty onerous.
23/09/2008 22:42:44 ‹cappadocius› Daigle: Exactly. It makes spells more useful as you don't have to use them up all at once, so it puts something of an end to the 15 minute day.
23/09/2008 22:43:09 ‹Russ› I'd rather see buying magic items take more work too. Possibly a use of Gather Information.
23/09/2008 22:43:18 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I'd be afraid that's pouring gasoline on a fire though. I'd rather try to ramp back the immediate and swift action spells to 0, with a few exceptions (like feather fall).
23/09/2008 22:43:20 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Or have a system which encourages 'comissioning' items in downtime?
23/09/2008 22:43:21 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i tend not to have em in my games
23/09/2008 22:43:21 ‹Daigle› LIke the items and class features where you have ten rounds of haste, but they don't have to be consecutive.
23/09/2008 22:43:24 ‹Daigle› Right?
23/09/2008 22:43:31 ‹cappadocius› Right.
23/09/2008 22:43:42 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah russ
23/09/2008 22:43:49 ‹seekerofshadowlight› it's all so walmart like
23/09/2008 22:44:07 ‹Sothal@work› Daigle: thats the idea
23/09/2008 22:44:09 ‹Daigle› As far as the magic item discussion goes....I cannot for the life of me get away from the group going to a big city and wanting to buy magic items.
23/09/2008 22:44:26 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah; in my current game, i've got a Power Gamer (Jason "RPG Superstar" Nelson) who has a beguiler who also has a cohort and both of them have swift action and immediate action options for spells. His turn comes up and things grind to a halt, especially since he's also the type of guy who wants to maximize EVERY choice and place every spell to be optomized.
23/09/2008 22:44:35 ‹James Jacobs› It helps that he really REALLY knows the rules, though.
23/09/2008 22:44:36 ‹seekerofshadowlight› the game makes players think they can have any item in the DMG and it's ok get it and wrong of the DM not to allow it
23/09/2008 22:44:42 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, ack.
23/09/2008 22:44:44 ‹Daigle› I frickin' hate it, play with smart mature players, yet still they are willing to destroy that sense of immersion by doing so.
23/09/2008 22:44:52 ‹Russ› I like swift action spells because they're fun, but I agree, slow down play. Immediates even more so. Keeping the idea of your turn is your turn, and you can do two things has a lot of merits. Though in 4E, the 3 things in a turn works out pretty well (and their interrupt actions STILL mess up the game)
23/09/2008 22:45:02 ‹James Jacobs› seeker> Do you customize the types of magic items you hand out so that they tend to be items that your PCs can use then?
23/09/2008 22:45:17 ‹Russ› Man, what is it with RPG Superstar contestants being powergamers?
23/09/2008 22:45:19 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah
23/09/2008 22:45:21 ‹James Jacobs› That's the only real option, I think.
23/09/2008 22:45:25 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I've seen Jason nelson posting on some of the spell discussions...
23/09/2008 22:45:37 ‹Daigle› Russ, not all of them
23/09/2008 22:45:37 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i have random stuff but i tend to make sure they get things here and there
23/09/2008 22:45:41 ‹James Jacobs› And that's not a luxury pre-made adventures have, since we don't know what each group's fighter is specialized in, for example.
23/09/2008 22:45:42 ‹Russ› Daigle - likewise, they even want to shop mid-adventure now
23/09/2008 22:45:48 ‹Blazej› I like swift and immediate actions like I like dragons, animal companions, cohorts, and video games.
23/09/2008 22:45:49 ‹cappadocius› midnight?!
23/09/2008 22:45:50 ‹Daigle› Wulf and Boomer are certainly not power gamers
23/09/2008 22:45:51 ‹cappadocius› must sleep.
23/09/2008 22:45:54 ‹Blazej› In moderation.
23/09/2008 22:46:00 ‹Daigle› Goodnight cappa!
23/09/2008 22:46:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› it just seemes 3e switch to magic walmart kinda cheaped magic item
23/09/2008 22:46:03 ‹James Jacobs› But the base game CAN do more to encourage GMs to adapt what kind of magic items they let into their games.
23/09/2008 22:46:06 * Russ wants to game with Wulf!
23/09/2008 22:46:10 ‹Blazej› Night cappa.
23/09/2008 22:46:23 ‹Daigle› Wulf ran me through my first CoC game!
23/09/2008 22:46:36 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah i moved stuff around in savage tide
23/09/2008 22:46:41 ‹Russ› Of course, I want to game with James and Daigle too
23/09/2008 22:46:42 * TheLesuit joins Main
23/09/2008 22:46:51 ‹Pygon› hi Lesuit
23/09/2008 22:46:56 * cappadocius quit (timeout)
23/09/2008 22:46:58 ‹David› your here?
23/09/2008 22:46:58 ‹James Jacobs› seeker> But the other option is just as bad. I remember in my 1st edition game days, when you couldn't buy or sell items really... you just had charactresr with portable holes filled with dozens of +1 weapons that just sat there doing nothing. That's even worse.
23/09/2008 22:46:59 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey lesuit
23/09/2008 22:47:00 ‹TheLesuit› Hey Pygon,
23/09/2008 22:47:07 ‹TheLesuit› Hey Seeker.
23/09/2008 22:47:18 ‹seekerofshadowlight› very true james
23/09/2008 22:47:22 ‹Daigle› Howdy TheLesuit
23/09/2008 22:47:26 ‹David› geez now i'm going to sleep!
23/09/2008 22:47:32 ‹TheLesuit› Hey Daigle,
23/09/2008 22:47:33 ‹Moth working› its kind of annoying that magic shops are a game standard now. There is a guy who plays in one of my games who thinks (for equality, cos he never ends up with magic item treasure he wants) the group should sell EVERY SINGLE item they find, split the cash and buy what they all want
23/09/2008 22:47:36 ‹David› night everyone but TheLesuit!
23/09/2008 22:47:37 ‹TheLesuit› Go to bed David,
23/09/2008 22:47:39 ‹Blazej› Hello Lesuit.
23/09/2008 22:47:42 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Diodn't they get used to equip followers, at 9th level?
23/09/2008 22:47:42 ‹Blazej› Night David.
23/09/2008 22:47:43 ‹Pygon› gnite David
23/09/2008 22:47:48 ‹TheLesuit› Hey Blazej,
23/09/2008 22:47:54 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight David.
23/09/2008 22:47:55 ‹David› i am, but not because you suggeted it
23/09/2008 22:47:56 ‹NiTessine› Night, David.
23/09/2008 22:48:02 * David quit
23/09/2008 22:48:07 ‹TheLesuit› Sure sure David,
23/09/2008 22:48:10 ‹seekerofshadowlight› its a hard balance james just seemed to me it's wording makes players expect to buy anything they want
23/09/2008 22:48:10 ‹James Jacobs› One of the things I do in my games is if the players are in a small area, I just track the types of items that are for sale at stores and that's that. And when they get to the big city, i genearlly let them shop at "walmarts" but only for items from the DMG. If they want stuff from beyond those walls... they have to roleplay to earn it.
23/09/2008 22:48:33 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> They did at times, but not everyone got followers.
23/09/2008 22:48:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I tend to do the same thing
23/09/2008 22:48:46 ‹Daigle› James, I run a similar shopping experience.
23/09/2008 22:48:56 ‹TheLesuit› James Jacobs, I would like to say I'm having a lot of fun in Burnt Offerings tormenting my players.
23/09/2008 22:48:58 ‹seekerofshadowlight› but wording does need better for nwer GM's
23/09/2008 22:49:03 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, roleplay to earn it. That sound a little lewd.
23/09/2008 22:49:18 ‹Blazej› You have to earn this ammunition!
23/09/2008 22:49:27 ‹James Jacobs› Moth> Yeah; that kind of mindset annoys me as well. it's especially frustrating to put in a cool item like, say, a ring of shooting stars, and then no one wants it because they all have rings of evasion and protection and it just gets sold.
23/09/2008 22:49:35 ‹Moth working› yeah, I love the Skye's Treasury inventory that delvesdeep did for every adventure in Shackled City (based off the original one by James I think)
23/09/2008 22:49:43 ‹Daigle› I make them track down the gear they want and then have to convince the person to get rid of it.
23/09/2008 22:49:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I tend to allow the magic shops in eberron but less so in places like the realms
23/09/2008 22:49:51 ‹James Jacobs› But then... I look at it this way: The players in the game don't mind it, and they're having fun with it, so why not?
23/09/2008 22:50:06 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah, Skie's Treasury from Flood Season's my actuall prefered way to handle magic item shops.
23/09/2008 22:50:17 ‹James Jacobs› TheLesuit> Excellent! Good to hear!
23/09/2008 22:50:26 ‹Russ› *nods* the cash in the item mentality kills a lot of interesting but unfavorably priced toys
23/09/2008 22:50:37 ‹Blazej› I would like some equipment to dissapear. Or at least go into a slot reserved for only it. Like ability enhancements, ring of deflection, and cloak of protection.
23/09/2008 22:50:52 ‹James Jacobs› And that's part of the problem too. The ring of shooting stars is WAY overpriced. Makes it effectively impossible to give to any NPC.
23/09/2008 22:51:00 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ugh and animated shields
23/09/2008 22:51:05 ‹TheLesuit› Most games I run I create unique items...so less chance of it getting tossed.
23/09/2008 22:51:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› gods I hate them
23/09/2008 22:51:07 ‹Daigle› In an old GH games I ran for a while I had a special place that they had to get to where they could trade pretty much anything they needed, but it had an admission price and was fairly dangerous. It made shopping an adventure unto itself.
23/09/2008 22:51:09 ‹James Jacobs› Animated shields. Heh.
23/09/2008 22:51:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› oh i hate em
23/09/2008 22:51:32 ‹Russ› I would like to see animated shields go.
23/09/2008 22:51:34 ‹James Jacobs› OK! Now I gotta go for real.
23/09/2008 22:51:44 ‹Russ› Thanks as always for endulging your fans
23/09/2008 22:51:45 ‹Blazej› I want people to stop selling unique and special items.
23/09/2008 22:51:45 ‹James Jacobs› Thanks for stopping by, everyone !
23/09/2008 22:51:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› make the sword and board fighter feel really dumb
23/09/2008 22:51:47 ‹Blazej› Goodbye James.
23/09/2008 22:51:47 ‹Pygon› bye James. Happy, uh, tokening
23/09/2008 22:51:49 ‹Daigle› Later James, thanks for stopping by!
23/09/2008 22:51:51 ‹Moth working› This player thinks that if other players take items from loot, and he only gets a share of treasure and has to buy his magic, he falls behind the rest of the party in wealth, so he wants everone to sell everything and split the cash so its even. That annoys the shit out of me
23/09/2008 22:51:51 ‹Charles Evans› Wasn't there an animated shield fairly early on in Savage Tide? (Sea Wyvern's Wake, I think)
23/09/2008 22:51:52 ‹James Jacobs› And try out those buff slots!
23/09/2008 22:51:56 ‹NiTessine› Bye! Thanks for the chat!
23/09/2008 22:52:00 ‹Sothal@work› Night James! Thanks for stopping by!
23/09/2008 22:52:03 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya james
23/09/2008 22:52:05 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight James Jacobs
23/09/2008 22:52:08 ‹Blazej› Or at least stop selling them all the majority of the time.
23/09/2008 22:52:13 ‹Moth working› see you James
22:52:22 ‹seekerofshadowlight› not in mine charles
23/09/2008 22:52:28 ‹seekerofshadowlight› that got ripped out
23/09/2008 22:52:41 ‹Moth working› thanks for chatting
23/09/2008 22:53:00 ‹Daigle› My current group is having a helluva time trying to sell all the +1 ogre hooks from HMM
23/09/2008 22:53:01 ‹seekerofshadowlight› thanks for sopping buy james
23/09/2008 22:53:09 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
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30/09/2008 20:00:58 ‹Daigle› Howdy James!
30/09/2008 20:01:04 ‹Pygon› greetings James
30/09/2008 20:01:04 ‹Blazej› JAMES!
30/09/2008 20:01:05 ‹Lilith› James! :glomp:
30/09/2008 20:01:05 ‹James Jacobs› Hey there, everyone.
30/09/2008 20:01:08 * Justin's away changes his/her nickname to Justin Sluder
30/09/2008 20:01:10 ‹robert_hawk› hi
30/09/2008 20:01:14 * Christopher Utley joins Main
30/09/2008 20:01:15 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, greetings Sir!
30/09/2008 20:01:16 ‹JonShade› Hello James. :headbang:
30/09/2008 20:01:16 ‹tensor› sure, but one is a realitro, and another is loan officar at bank of america. but, yes, take it with a grain of salt.
30/09/2008 20:01:19 ‹cappadocius› Hi, Mr. Jacobs.
30/09/2008 20:01:23 ‹cappadocius› How was work?
30/09/2008 20:01:25 ‹jmberaldo› Howdie, James
30/09/2008 20:01:32 ‹Blazej› Christopher Utley!
30/09/2008 20:01:35 ‹tensor› hi james jacobs.
30/09/2008 20:01:36 ‹James Jacobs› Work was unusually frustrating, alas.
30/09/2008 20:01:42 * Charles Evans joins Main
30/09/2008 20:01:45 ‹cappadocius› I'm sorry!
30/09/2008 20:01:46 ‹tensor› jstu as I need to go off to sleep. figures.
30/09/2008 20:01:48 ‹Daigle› Howdy Charles
30/09/2008 20:01:50 ‹tensor› hi charles evans
30/09/2008 20:01:52 ‹Pygon› editing problems? deadlines?
30/09/2008 20:01:54 ‹Blazej› Hello Charles.
30/09/2008 20:01:56 ‹tensor› bye charles evans.
30/09/2008 20:01:58 ‹tensor› night all
30/09/2008 20:01:59 ‹Christopher Utley› Hello again all, had to leave for a few
30/09/2008 20:02:01 ‹Charles Evans› Good evning.
30/09/2008 20:02:03 ‹Daigle› Night tensor
30/09/2008 20:02:06 ‹Russ› Well, it's only just 8 PM. tensor......
30/09/2008 20:02:07 ‹Christopher Utley› night tensor
30/09/2008 20:02:09 ‹JonShade› nite tensor
30/09/2008 20:02:14 ‹Charles Evans› Very tired here.
30/09/2008 20:02:16 ‹Justin Sluder› cya tensor
30/09/2008 20:02:23 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Tensor.
30/09/2008 20:02:39 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, what happened?
30/09/2008 20:02:44 ‹yoda8myhead› customs again?
30/09/2008 20:02:51 ‹James Jacobs› Dealing with authors who, for whatever reasons, can't or won't be able to finish assignments. Nothing worth really talking about here, though.
30/09/2008 20:03:00 ‹Pygon› sigh
30/09/2008 20:03:01 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Not my post on the Starstone?
30/09/2008 20:03:07 * tensor quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 20:03:08 ‹Samwise› ouchies
30/09/2008 20:03:09 ‹Charles Evans› :)
30/09/2008 20:03:16 ‹James Jacobs› I believe I replied to that post, didn't I?
30/09/2008 20:03:17 * Russ offers to help bail out :)
30/09/2008 20:03:20 ‹James Jacobs› Or did you reply to my reply?
30/09/2008 20:03:20 ‹Crimson Jester› Oh well, Perhaps other authors.
30/09/2008 20:03:36 * Lilith gives James Jacobs a drinking horn worth of mead.
30/09/2008 20:03:42 ‹Charles Evans› James : Yes, but I was wondering if it was frustration, or a welcome relief... :)
30/09/2008 20:03:49 ‹Pygon› :beer:
30/09/2008 20:03:54 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, I'll write it for you! Or have Brian Cortijo do it. He asked me to pimp him to you when I had the chance
30/09/2008 20:04:00 ‹Charles Evans› I mean (confused) I have not replied to the reply yet.
30/09/2008 20:04:15 ‹jmberaldo› James> If it helps, I can fill in :D
30/09/2008 20:04:19 ‹Charles Evans› I was wondering about large bopdies of water underground though.
30/09/2008 20:04:26 ‹Russ› Any signs of #14 getting out of customs deadlock?
30/09/2008 20:04:32 ‹Charles Evans› Also whether it should get hot, the deeper you go.
30/09/2008 20:04:34 ‹James Jacobs› I believe it's all taken care of, in any event.
30/09/2008 20:04:44 ‹Charles Evans› But I shall save these queries for the darklands section.
30/09/2008 20:04:58 ‹jmberaldo› I DID write half a novel in two months of off-office hours earlier this year ;)
30/09/2008 20:05:00 ‹James Jacobs› #14 and Gods & Magic and Elves have not shown up at Paizo yet... so I'm not sure where they're at re: the Customs Black hole.
30/09/2008 20:05:14 ‹Pygon› :shakefist:
30/09/2008 20:05:24 ‹jmberaldo› damned customs
30/09/2008 20:05:28 ‹Russ› Should have used less melamine.
30/09/2008 20:05:36 ‹Charles Evans› What do they think that Paizo are smuggling in those shipment?
30/09/2008 20:05:42 ‹Russ› I'm glad they're checking something. They really need to check MORE imports.
30/09/2008 20:05:55 ‹yoda8myhead› James, were those three supposed to show up together?
30/09/2008 20:06:04 ‹Pygon› the over-abundance of awesome made them suspicious
30/09/2008 20:06:06 ‹jmberaldo› thankfuly I never had issues with them while ordering books (even if Im still waiting for some 100 bucks in minis after over an year :()
30/09/2008 20:06:08 ‹Christopher Utley› Addictive stuff, Charles. Addictive stuff.
30/09/2008 20:06:09 ‹Russ› CE - I'm sure there are many examples of thhngs that weren't books being labeled as books in shipping.
30/09/2008 20:06:10 ‹James Jacobs› We shipped those three off together, so that's the hope! :)
30/09/2008 20:06:18 ‹robert_hawk› gold kugerands
30/09/2008 20:06:39 ‹cappadocius› It doesn't matter if Paizo may or may not have anything suspicious.
30/09/2008 20:06:44 ‹Charles Evans› I would have thought gold would more likely be smuggled to India than the US.
30/09/2008 20:06:50 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, is Owen K.C. Stephens one of the writers you're speaking of? I've been keeping up on LiveJournal and he's having problems. :sad:
30/09/2008 20:06:53 ‹James Jacobs› yeah; I totally don't begrudge customs for looking, Not at all!
30/09/2008 20:06:56 ‹cappadocius› If someone else on the boat had something suspicious, and they were ahead of Paizo in the queue.
30/09/2008 20:07:46 ‹Crimson Jester› DO they ship directly to Seatle?
30/09/2008 20:07:46 ‹James Jacobs› ANYway. I'm sure there's plenty of questions JUST WAITING for answers, yeah?
30/09/2008 20:07:49 ‹jmberaldo› Maybe they think Paizo have been smuggling some chinese covert ops team :D
30/09/2008 20:07:51 ‹James Jacobs› Who's they?
30/09/2008 20:07:59 ‹robert_hawk› 'the man'
30/09/2008 20:08:02 ‹James Jacobs› Our shipments come in to California, I believe.
30/09/2008 20:08:06 ‹jmberaldo› tam tam taaaaam
30/09/2008 20:08:54 ‹Charles Evans› :D I'm surprised customs think anyone would try to smuggle anything in past the steely vigil of the Governator....
30/09/2008 20:08:54 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, I have a question!
30/09/2008 20:08:59 ‹Daigle› Spoilers, STAT!
30/09/2008 20:09:01 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, Daigle won't let us ask any more Bestiary questions, so probably not.
30/09/2008 20:09:07 ‹jmberaldo› hehehe
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30/09/2008 20:09:09 ‹yoda8myhead› In real life, if you could cast one spell under level 5 what would it be?
30/09/2008 20:09:16 * Daigle shakes his head. ;)
30/09/2008 20:09:21 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Why not, cappa? Because of conflict and terror?
30/09/2008 20:09:48 ‹cappadocius› He says he's sick of questions about a project at least a year away.
30/09/2008 20:09:53 ‹Justin Sluder› Daigle, howdy
30/09/2008 20:09:54 ‹Wyvern› Hey! don't gang up on Daigle.
30/09/2008 20:09:58 ‹Wyvern› And hi James
30/09/2008 20:10:06 ‹Daigle› I can take it, but thanks Wyvern
30/09/2008 20:10:13 ‹Crimson Jester› Summon : Money
30/09/2008 20:10:15 ‹cappadocius› I'm a gang now?
30/09/2008 20:10:26 ‹James Jacobs› I'm okay with bestiary questions, though. Ah... yeah. It IS a while off...
30/09/2008 20:10:31 ‹Daigle› I just figured that maybe a month's worth of monster talk was a bit much. I'm always willing to admit I'm wrong.
30/09/2008 20:10:47 ‹Crimson Jester› Monsters are cool
30/09/2008 20:10:48 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> In real life? Can I cast the spell at will? Or once only?
30/09/2008 20:10:53 * Skeld joins Main
30/09/2008 20:10:57 ‹Daigle› It's a skill more people should exercize.
30/09/2008 20:11:01 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Skeld
30/09/2008 20:11:04 ‹Daigle› Howdy Skeld.
30/09/2008 20:11:12 ‹Crimson Jester› What being wrong?
30/09/2008 20:11:16 ‹yoda8myhead› at will, I think. It wasn't my question originally
30/09/2008 20:11:18 ‹Crimson Jester› Or admitting to it?
30/09/2008 20:11:28 ‹James Jacobs› At will... I'd have to say remove disease.
30/09/2008 20:11:31 ‹Daigle› :lol: CJ
30/09/2008 20:11:33 ‹Blazej› What are the dieties being expanded upon in the AP #4?
30/09/2008 20:11:33 ‹Daigle› Either.
30/09/2008 20:11:35 ‹Pygon› James - how much are you involved in the Guide to Absalom?
30/09/2008 20:11:51 ‹Crimson Jester› Admitting to something is much to hard
30/09/2008 20:11:51 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> AP4 will have articles about Sarenrae and Rovagug.
30/09/2008 20:12:07 ‹cappadocius› YAY ROVAGUG!
30/09/2008 20:12:13 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> I'm probably going to do a read through to approve it, but Sean Reynolds'
30/09/2008 20:12:17 ‹Daigle› Honestly, I was trying to create a unifying front to pester you about early spoilers, James.
30/09/2008 20:12:19 ‹James Jacobs› is the point man for that one.
30/09/2008 20:12:28 ‹Pygon› thanks
30/09/2008 20:12:29 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: The elaine Cunningham fiction any good for the journal?
30/09/2008 20:12:37 ‹Skeld› hi everyone
30/09/2008 20:12:45 ‹Pygon› hi Skeld
30/09/2008 20:12:52 ‹Justin Sluder› Daigle, I'm with you!
30/09/2008 20:12:58 ‹Crimson Jester› James > if you could pick just one closed content item into Golarion what would it be?
30/09/2008 20:13:04 ‹Charles Evans› Evening, Skeld.
30/09/2008 20:13:07 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, I'm with you on that one
30/09/2008 20:13:13 * Justin Sluder starts chanting 'spoilers, spoilers, spoilers'
30/09/2008 20:13:13 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I haven't read Elaine's story yet, but James Sutter says it's EXCELLENT. Her outline for the six part arc is really cool, that I can say. Also, she came up with a cool monster for the first one that'll play a pretty big role in the adventure.
30/09/2008 20:13:17 ‹yoda8myhead› SPOILERS!
30/09/2008 20:13:22 ‹Daigle› Cappa, I heard Rovagug has a halfling street preacher.
30/09/2008 20:13:26 * Justin Sluder chants 'spoilers, spoilers, spoilers'
30/09/2008 20:13:34 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Hmmm... probably Obox-ob.
30/09/2008 20:13:43 ‹James Jacobs› Maybe Malcanthet.
30/09/2008 20:13:48 ‹cappadocius› That seems suspiciously like my character, Daigle.
30/09/2008 20:13:58 ‹Daigle› :D
30/09/2008 20:14:03 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Will Elaine be invited t personally stat the monster, or is that being handled by the Paizo regulars?
30/09/2008 20:14:14 * JonShade quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 20:14:28 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I'm gonna stat up the monster based on her work and some of my own ideas.
30/09/2008 20:14:28 * Justin Sluder chants 'spoilers, spoilers, spoilers'
30/09/2008 20:14:56 ‹Blazej› Is the monster: animal, vegetable, or mineral?
30/09/2008 20:15:06 ‹cappadocius› I bet it's an Outsider.
30/09/2008 20:15:13 ‹jmberaldo› James> You know... I was reading earlier today how pathfinder society works and it gave me the spark I needed for Taikodom's "difference" game feature Ive been juggling in my mind for some 5 months. So, thanks Paizo :D
30/09/2008 20:15:23 ‹James Jacobs› It's basically a kind of gremlin, though. We can't use jermalaines, so in PF19 we'll probably be having a 4 page thing about "gremlins." As a new fey race. They're talked about a bit already in Into the Darklands, but they didn't get a proper new monster page there.
30/09/2008 20:15:26 ‹Justin Sluder› Does the monster appeal to the masses?
30/09/2008 20:15:27 ‹Crimson Jester› We don have enoug Mineral monsters...ok good mineral monsters
30/09/2008 20:15:28 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: will we be seeing consistant 5 monster bestiary entries for the near future, or will there be some lapses to 4 (or :ohnoes: even fewer) entries.
30/09/2008 20:15:30 ‹Charles Evans› ?
30/09/2008 20:15:39 * Greenis Grunticus joins Main
30/09/2008 20:15:40 ‹cappadocius› yay more fey!
30/09/2008 20:15:41 ‹jmberaldo› From a Massive Multiplayer Off-line Game to an Online one :D
30/09/2008 20:15:45 ‹Daigle› Nice! gremlins!!
30/09/2008 20:15:47 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Yay!
30/09/2008 20:15:48 ‹Daigle› Greeny!
30/09/2008 20:15:54 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hail hail!
30/09/2008 20:16:08 ‹Lilith› Greenis Grunticus! :glomp:
30/09/2008 20:16:10 ‹Crimson Jester› can they look like they do in the movies
30/09/2008 20:16:10 ‹Charles Evans› ren grunt: Salve!
30/09/2008 20:16:13 ‹Ross› There's...some...thing! On the wing!
30/09/2008 20:16:20 ‹Crimson Jester› dont feed em after midnight
30/09/2008 20:16:23 ‹Daigle› Nice, Ross!
30/09/2008 20:16:30 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hi Lilith!:hugs:
30/09/2008 20:16:30 ‹cappadocius› You can feed the gremlins after midnight.
30/09/2008 20:16:33 * Nameless joins Main
30/09/2008 20:16:36 ‹jmberaldo› It hit me with the obvious... "Hey, Pathfinder society is a Massive Multiplayer Game... it should give me ideas"
30/09/2008 20:16:37 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> We're going for 5 monster bestiaries. When we do 4, it's generally because we can't add and ended up with a 98 page Pathfinder, and the cut monster will end up in a later bestiary. Sometimes we'll do six monsters. I don't ever wanna do less than 4.
30/09/2008 20:16:37 ‹cappadocius› Just not the mowgli.
30/09/2008 20:16:40 ‹Daigle› Howdy nameless
30/09/2008 20:16:41 ‹Greenis Grunticus› hey Nameless
30/09/2008 20:16:49 * Russ doesn't think is that mucn more interesting to do with rock critters
30/09/2008 20:16:54 ‹Blazej› Does Shatner have a low Charisma or a high Charisma?
30/09/2008 20:17:00 ‹Nameless› Hey everyone!
30/09/2008 20:17:06 * Rambling Scribe joins Main
30/09/2008 20:17:10 * robert_hawk kicks his networking over powerlines box
30/09/2008 20:17:12 ‹Pygon› hi Nameless
30/09/2008 20:17:14 ‹Daigle› Scribbles!
30/09/2008 20:17:15 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Nope; they'll look different. We'll probably have 3 different types of gremlins. The one in the adventrue is a jackal-headed one that has some pretty cool tie-ins with gnolls.
30/09/2008 20:17:16 ‹Lilith› Scribbles! :glomp:
30/09/2008 20:17:21 ‹Nameless› Hey, Rambling Scribe!
30/09/2008 20:17:24 ‹cappadocius› yay tie-ins!
30/09/2008 20:17:25 ‹Crimson Jester› too bad
30/09/2008 20:17:33 ‹Ross› Yay gnolls!
30/09/2008 20:17:35 * cappadocius likes 'monster bundles'
30/09/2008 20:17:40 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Ahem... So is it true that the current printed Pathfinders are in some shipyard in Seattle being guarded by Homeland Security?? #-o
30/09/2008 20:17:41 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: There was some demand for the star panda earlier in the Paizo Pathfinder Bestoary thread; will the star-panda be making an appearance any time soon? :)
30/09/2008 20:17:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Daigle, Lilz, and Nameless! Hi everyone else!
30/09/2008 20:17:46 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hey Rambler
30/09/2008 20:17:49 ‹Crimson Jester› Guns dont kill people dads with pretty daughters do
30/09/2008 20:17:51 ‹Daigle› Jackal-headed gremlin?! Werd.
30/09/2008 20:17:58 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi GG!
30/09/2008 20:18:02 ‹Pygon› Grunt - for two weeks now.
30/09/2008 20:18:02 ‹Nameless› Come on, Star Panda!
30/09/2008 20:18:06 ‹James Jacobs› The jackal rat gremlins are probably gonna be called pugwampis. The underdark ones are more like bat gremlins; they're called jinkins. The third one we don't know yet.
30/09/2008 20:18:08 ‹jmberaldo› Dear god... Chiuaua gremlins!
30/09/2008 20:18:14 ‹cappadocius› Starpanda Fishbear, guys.
30/09/2008 20:18:20 ‹Nameless› Wait, Gremlins?
30/09/2008 20:18:20 ‹cappadocius› If you can't get the name right...
30/09/2008 20:18:27 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Chihuhua Gremlins!! :chainsaw:
30/09/2008 20:18:29 ‹Crimson Jester› chupacabra gremlins????
30/09/2008 20:18:29 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> Yup; the current shipment of Pathfinder stuff is in customs.
30/09/2008 20:18:35 ‹Blazej› How many Orv vaults. They seem to be pretty darn big, and I would expect that deep into the ground they would have much less space.
30/09/2008 20:18:35 ‹Pygon› don't do that. god.
30/09/2008 20:18:35 ‹Charles Evans› jackal-headed? Hmm, do I detect a Lamashtu link?
30/09/2008 20:18:44 ‹James Jacobs› Perhaps.
30/09/2008 20:18:47 ‹James Jacobs› Not sure yet.
30/09/2008 20:18:47 ‹Daigle› Do you not know the name or the kind of gremlin it will be yet?
30/09/2008 20:18:53 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Customs... What the!? Those fascist bastards!
30/09/2008 20:18:55 ‹Nameless› James Jacobs, that's excellent! My Pathfinder itch needs to be scratched.
30/09/2008 20:19:06 ‹Nameless› Hmm. That came out worse than intended.
30/09/2008 20:19:14 * Erik Mona joins Main
30/09/2008 20:19:16 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, any idea when the PFS scenarios 4 & 5 will be availbale?
30/09/2008 20:19:18 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> If I remember right... there's about 8 Orv vaults under the Inner Sea region. Let's see if I can name them off...
30/09/2008 20:19:21 ‹Blazej› Mona!
30/09/2008 20:19:25 ‹Daigle› Howdy Erik!
30/09/2008 20:19:26 ‹Nameless› Sir Mona!
30/09/2008 20:19:27 ‹Pygon› :ohnoes: It's Erik!
30/09/2008 20:19:32 ‹Erik Mona› Hello, all.
30/09/2008 20:19:33 ‹Justin Sluder› Greetings great and mighty Erik Mona!
30/09/2008 20:19:34 ‹James Jacobs› Erik! Ahoy!
30/09/2008 20:19:34 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Erik!
30/09/2008 20:19:35 ‹Lilith› ERIK! :excite:
30/09/2008 20:19:37 ‹Pygon› hi Erik!
30/09/2008 20:19:41 ‹Charles Evans› Ah, the dread nosferatu lord....
30/09/2008 20:19:42 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Could it be that one of the dudes at Customs is ... on one of Paizo's competitor's payrole??
30/09/2008 20:19:42 ‹Crimson Jester› HI Erik!
30/09/2008 20:19:44 ‹Skeld› good evening erik
30/09/2008 20:19:44 ‹Erik Mona› Just got home from work.
30/09/2008 20:19:46 ‹yoda8myhead› that's not the real Erik, people
30/09/2008 20:19:46 ‹Ross› Mona!
30/09/2008 20:19:47 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Ello Mr. Mona
30/09/2008 20:19:52 ‹Wyvern› Hey Erik, what's up?
30/09/2008 20:19:53 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead, oh?
30/09/2008 20:19:53 ‹yoda8myhead› It's a fake!
30/09/2008 20:20:05 ‹Skeld› it's a trick; get an axe
30/09/2008 20:20:05 ‹Erik Mona› It is the real one, I assure you.
30/09/2008 20:20:06 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, he's got a Paizo tag.
30/09/2008 20:20:07 ‹jmberaldo› Howdie Erik
30/09/2008 20:20:07 ‹cappadocius› Hello Mr. Mona.
30/09/2008 20:20:12 * clight101 joins Main
30/09/2008 20:20:18 ‹James Jacobs› Denebrum, Doga-Delloth, Minos-Pashat, The Midnight Mountains, Land of Black Blood, Deep Tolguth, The Sightless Sea, The Crystal Womb, Ilvarandin, The Black Desert. I think that's all of them... I might have forgotten one though.
30/09/2008 20:20:19 ‹yoda8myhead› Lilith can do that to anyone
30/09/2008 20:20:22 ‹Lilith› Ross, not necessarily a sign of proof...He's not posting from work. :D
30/09/2008 20:20:22 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hi Clight
30/09/2008 20:20:29 ‹Erik Mona› Love all of the PFwiki action, Yoda. That is a great resource.
30/09/2008 20:20:31 ‹clight101› hey gren
30/09/2008 20:20:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› Lilith can also tell what server people are from.
30/09/2008 20:20:42 ‹James Jacobs› Here's how we can tell if it's the real Erik.
30/09/2008 20:20:46 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe, I haz Admin Powerz.
30/09/2008 20:20:47 ‹Crimson Jester› Erik Mona- You get to go home??
30/09/2008 20:20:54 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, a blood sample?
30/09/2008 20:20:59 ‹James Jacobs› "ERIK": Which is better? Blindheim or eye-killer?
30/09/2008 20:20:59 ‹jmberaldo› Oh, just to inform you that, while I was writing a short sword&planet story yesterday for this shared world fiction project Im on, I needed a first name for a male and a female character
30/09/2008 20:21:00 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, I'm glad you like it!
30/09/2008 20:21:02 ‹Daigle› Howdy cllight!
30/09/2008 20:21:13 ‹jmberaldo› I named the guy Erik and the girl Mona ;)
30/09/2008 20:21:17 ‹Russ› Yaay, it's Erik
30/09/2008 20:21:19 ‹Erik Mona› What is an eye-killer? BLINDHEIMS ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
30/09/2008 20:21:20 ‹Ross› That's the way you find The Thing, but how do you find Skrulls?
30/09/2008 20:21:20 ‹Nameless› jmberaldo, Steve & Brenda.
30/09/2008 20:21:21 ‹jmberaldo› Spur of the moment, sorry :D
30/09/2008 20:21:31 ‹James Jacobs› If that's not Erik... the imposter did his homework.
30/09/2008 20:21:35 ‹Erik Mona› THEY R BST FEIND FOLIO MONSTR EVAR.
30/09/2008 20:21:48 ‹Russ› Nah. Dire corbies.
30/09/2008 20:21:51 ‹Russ› 2 HD critters WITH RUBIES.
30/09/2008 20:21:54 * Eyebite joins Main
30/09/2008 20:21:56 ‹Erik Mona› DOOM!
30/09/2008 20:21:57 ‹James Jacobs› Eye-killer's also from Fiend Folio; they're the bat/snake thing with the death gaze.
30/09/2008 20:22:03 ‹Pygon› hi Eyebite
30/09/2008 20:22:03 ‹Daigle› Howdy Eyebite!!
30/09/2008 20:22:07 ‹cappadocius› They're in ToH, too.
30/09/2008 20:22:10 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Eye!
30/09/2008 20:22:10 ‹Charles Evans› That must be a fake Erik Mona; the real Erik Mona would have a heart attack seeing such poor spelling as that...:)
30/09/2008 20:22:11 ‹James Jacobs› yup
30/09/2008 20:22:13 ‹Nameless› Hey, Eyebite!
30/09/2008 20:22:16 ‹Eyebite› Hey guys!
30/09/2008 20:22:16 ‹Erik Mona› Jmberaldo> You have excellent taste.
30/09/2008 20:22:19 ‹clight101› hey daigle
30/09/2008 20:22:22 ‹James Jacobs› And WAY too unfair. Death gaze at CR 3? <fail>
30/09/2008 20:22:24 ‹cappadocius› They're on my "Post-Apocalyptic Mutant" shortlist.
30/09/2008 20:22:25 ‹jmberaldo› heheheh
30/09/2008 20:22:26 ‹Greenis Grunticus› 1st edtion Fiend Folio (weeps from nostalgia)
30/09/2008 20:22:31 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, they're talking monsters again! Get 'em!
30/09/2008 20:22:33 * David joins Main
30/09/2008 20:22:39 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hey David
30/09/2008 20:22:41 ‹Blazej› Oh... they are eye killers, because they kill with their eyes.
30/09/2008 20:22:43 ‹Charles Evans› I remember the savaging the real Erik Mona gave some of the poor Superstar entries.
30/09/2008 20:22:44 ‹Nameless› Hello, David.
30/09/2008 20:22:47 ‹Daigle› yoda :P
30/09/2008 20:22:49 ‹David› Greenis Grunticus, hi
30/09/2008 20:22:50 ‹David› Nameless, hi
30/09/2008 20:22:56 * Russ is currently occupying himself with "Into the Fire", from Dungeon #1
30/09/2008 20:23:00 ‹Erik Mona› Charles Evans can vouch for me. We spoke four about 9.76 hours at Gen Con UK.
30/09/2008 20:23:04 ‹Erik Mona› He gave us jam.
30/09/2008 20:23:11 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL
30/09/2008 20:23:13 ‹David› heh
30/09/2008 20:23:24 ‹Erik Mona› It's just that I really love the blindheim, Chuck. :)
30/09/2008 20:23:26 ‹Lilith› Yay, jam! :squee:
30/09/2008 20:23:27 ‹cappadocius› Do the Paizo folks know specifically who built the Vaults of Orv, or is this one of those, "Enh. Mysterious race. We'll save it for 2012." situations
30/09/2008 20:23:28 ‹Charles Evans› Hmmm. He has done his home work.
30/09/2008 20:23:32 ‹Russ› CE - he is rather merciless. Especially since he's supposed to be Paula.
30/09/2008 20:23:33 ‹cappadocius› ?
30/09/2008 20:23:33 ‹Greenis Grunticus› So the jam .. Has mysterious powers that enables one to chat beyond the usual 45 minutes?? :-k
30/09/2008 20:23:39 ‹cappadocius› dangit.
30/09/2008 20:23:45 ‹Charles Evans› It could be Bulmahn, Logue, or Frost in disguise of course.
30/09/2008 20:23:46 ‹James Jacobs› Do you live the blindheim enough to use your one and only Monster Point, Erik?
30/09/2008 20:23:49 ‹Erik Mona› I think I was supposed to be Paula.
30/09/2008 20:23:58 ‹Erik Mona› I think that phase may have ended when they cancelled Dragon. :)
30/09/2008 20:24:07 ‹Erik Mona› JJ> Nope!
30/09/2008 20:24:14 ‹James Jacobs› Noted.
30/09/2008 20:24:16 ‹yoda8myhead› monster point?
30/09/2008 20:24:19 ‹Nameless› Monster Points, eh? Interesting.
30/09/2008 20:24:31 ‹Russ› Hmm. If I could pick just one monster......
30/09/2008 20:24:42 ‹Eyebite› Monster point? Like...everyone at Paizo gets one automatic free pass for a monster they love?
30/09/2008 20:24:46 ‹yoda8myhead› do you earn them by not showering? Cause I think that;s what my girlfriend gives me when I get too stinky
30/09/2008 20:24:50 ‹jmberaldo› I come back to see erik mona saying "I was supposed to be Paula" totally out of context
30/09/2008 20:24:54 ‹Russ› Sadly tempted by both aurumvoraxes and frogemoths.
30/09/2008 20:25:13 ‹Erik Mona› Not everyone at Paizo.
30/09/2008 20:25:14 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> Is the allosuarus going to have a running mate??
30/09/2008 20:25:18 ‹Erik Mona› Me, James, and Lisa.
30/09/2008 20:25:28 ‹James Jacobs› Allosaurus had a running mate but she ate him.
30/09/2008 20:25:31 ‹Erik Mona› Everyone else suffers at the whim of the ruling elite.
30/09/2008 20:25:35 ‹Erik Mona› Or should I say Ruling Elite.
30/09/2008 20:25:35 ‹James Jacobs› Any volunteers?
30/09/2008 20:25:38 ‹Russ› Can't Lisa just "forget" to sign your checks until you capitulate?
30/09/2008 20:25:49 ‹cappadocius› man, I would seriously blow my monster point on the Wolf-In-Sheep's-Clothing.
30/09/2008 20:25:53 ‹cappadocius› What's wrong with me?
30/09/2008 20:25:54 ‹Nameless› Ooh, so elite that it requires capitalization.
30/09/2008 20:26:06 ‹yoda8myhead› can we send pizza to get our own monster points?
30/09/2008 20:26:08 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> Man we're going to have a helluva time keeping ally's supporters well.. alive to vote
30/09/2008 20:26:08 ‹James Jacobs› HA! I dunno, Cappa. Sounds serious though!
30/09/2008 20:26:21 ‹David› Do you have a secret handshake too?
30/09/2008 20:26:23 ‹Daigle› My favorite monster has no risk whatsoever of ever leaving the game.
30/09/2008 20:26:31 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> It's an uphill battle, that's for sure.
30/09/2008 20:26:31 ‹Russ› Skulks make my list too.
30/09/2008 20:26:34 ‹Eyebite› The devourer monster that's on the other side of a bag of devouring...I might blow my monster point on that
30/09/2008 20:26:35 ‹cappadocius› Actually reading its first appearance made me love it more.
30/09/2008 20:26:41 ‹Nameless› Daigle, I'm going to guess Dragons?
30/09/2008 20:26:44 ‹Erik Mona› BLAST!
30/09/2008 20:26:45 ‹David› Daigle, is it a human?
30/09/2008 20:26:45 ‹Erik Mona› I got logged off for a second there.
30/09/2008 20:26:47 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Unless you tell me what it is and I remove the monster from the book to spite you, of course!
30/09/2008 20:26:47 ‹Erik Mona› I am the only skulk defender at Paizo.
30/09/2008 20:26:51 ‹Justin Sluder› Daigle, what is it?
30/09/2008 20:26:52 ‹Daigle› David is correct.
30/09/2008 20:26:54 ‹Russ› Eyebite - first saw that one in a creature collection in dragon
30/09/2008 20:26:54 ‹cappadocius› ugh. Skulks.
30/09/2008 20:26:55 ‹yoda8myhead› Eyebite, HA!
30/09/2008 20:26:59 ‹Daigle› Skulks rock
30/09/2008 20:27:00 ‹David› :woot:
30/09/2008 20:27:09 ‹Justin Sluder› Daigle, :lol:
30/09/2008 20:27:11 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Skulk in MM?
30/09/2008 20:27:11 ‹Erik Mona› Eyebite> Did that ever appear outside of Dragon?
30/09/2008 20:27:15 ‹Russ› Anyone backing the berbalang?
30/09/2008 20:27:19 ‹James Jacobs› I like skulks, Mona! I let them get into Pathfinder, after all! It's just... they're kinda dull.
30/09/2008 20:27:20 ‹Nameless› Skulks bring back terrible memories of Chapter 1 of Shackled City...
30/09/2008 20:27:21 ‹Ross› God. I do not like skulks.
30/09/2008 20:27:25 ‹Wyvern› I like good ol' orcs.
30/09/2008 20:27:26 ‹David› wheres Lilith?
30/09/2008 20:27:35 ‹James Jacobs› Also: I kinda got burnt out on skulks after "Life's bazzar"
30/09/2008 20:27:35 ‹Erik Mona› Monte Cook used skulks to perfect effect in his Ptolus campaign.
30/09/2008 20:27:40 ‹Erik Mona› They are great creatures.
30/09/2008 20:27:40 ‹Lilith› David, I'm here.
30/09/2008 20:27:47 ‹David› this is why i need my special 'was right' symbol ;)
30/09/2008 20:27:50 ‹Russ› YELLOW MUSK CREEPER! :) That would be my point
30/09/2008 20:27:57 ‹Lilith› I have a certain fondness for kobolds...but there's a reason for that. :D
30/09/2008 20:27:59 ‹Erik Mona› And they deserve from props for their role in the UK Gauntlet/Sentinel series
30/09/2008 20:28:07 ‹cappadocius› Too many of my favorites are Product Identity.
30/09/2008 20:28:10 ‹Nameless› What are the skulks traits again? They're really good at hiding?
30/09/2008 20:28:11 ‹Justin Sluder› Life's Bazaar totally rocked! :headbang::headbang::headbang:
30/09/2008 20:28:13 ‹Russ› Kobolds are alright, but I really hate dibolds
30/09/2008 20:28:15 ‹Eyebite› Well yes Erik....I mentioned it in a KQ article :) (Aside from that - not that I know of)
30/09/2008 20:28:16 ‹Pygon› yay Adlerweg!!!
30/09/2008 20:28:26 ‹Charles Evans› James/Erik: What per centage support are you going to give the monsters ion Pathfinder, with your first creature collection? The monsters where it currently says 'see MM' (or in the case of some random encounter tables 'see Tome of Horrors')?
30/09/2008 20:28:29 ‹Russ› Nameless - man sized AND chicken.
30/09/2008 20:28:36 ‹Ross› Eyebite, you wrote the homonculus thing?
30/09/2008 20:28:42 ‹Erik Mona› Life's Bazaar, imho, had a WAAAAAY too long dungeon in it.
30/09/2008 20:28:44 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Nice Russ!! :razz:
30/09/2008 20:28:48 ‹Eyebite› mmmhm
30/09/2008 20:28:49 ‹Erik Mona› For a first-level module especially.
30/09/2008 20:28:58 ‹Nameless› Erik Mona, agreed, my group saw a third of it at most
30/09/2008 20:29:00 ‹Ross› Eyebite, I really liked that article!
30/09/2008 20:29:05 ‹Eyebite› Hey, thanks!
30/09/2008 20:29:11 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> What do you mean? Will we keep doing short stat blocks for the monsters in Pathfinder once the new book's out? If so, yes.
30/09/2008 20:29:13 ‹Erik Mona› Skulks make excellent urban information brokers.
30/09/2008 20:29:15 ‹Erik Mona› Very cool.
30/09/2008 20:29:26 ‹Erik Mona› I had a big braingasm about the locathah of all things last night.
30/09/2008 20:29:26 ‹Daigle› That homunculous article rocked!!!
30/09/2008 20:29:27 ‹Nameless› Well, 1/3 of the Gnome city, they saw most of the Fortress
30/09/2008 20:29:27 ‹Greenis Grunticus› With my group suddenly developing intense ADD.. A long dungeon wouldn't be so bad to run them on...
30/09/2008 20:29:28 ‹Eyebite› I also loved the terror birds from the Isle of Dread in the Savage Tide AP - those things were awesome
30/09/2008 20:29:31 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Viritoth the Pureblood
30/09/2008 20:29:35 ‹Viritoth the Pureblood› Lilith, :w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t:
30/09/2008 20:29:45 ‹Charles Evans› :?:
30/09/2008 20:29:45 ‹Blazej› And Life Bazaar's dungeon had links to a few too many rooms.
30/09/2008 20:29:45 ‹cappadocius› James, he means how many monsters in the AP are going to be in the PFRPGMM.
30/09/2008 20:29:47 ‹Lilith› Viritoth the Pureblood, :squee:
30/09/2008 20:29:51 ‹cappadocius› APs.
30/09/2008 20:29:51 ‹Blazej› I think.
30/09/2008 20:29:53 * Russ isn't sure what locathah bring to the table that mermen, tritons and sea elves don't
30/09/2008 20:30:04 ‹yoda8myhead› James or Erik, do either of you know when we can expect the two September PFS scenarios since Josh missed that week or two?
30/09/2008 20:30:08 * Russ dreams of writing more underwater stuff some day
30/09/2008 20:30:10 ‹Samwise› locathah are fishy
30/09/2008 20:30:18 ‹Ross› Speaking of KQ, is there any news for KQ #7?
30/09/2008 20:30:19 ‹Erik Mona› I favor letting them breathe fresh water and extending their reach into the mainland via river networks.
30/09/2008 20:30:22 ‹cappadocius› Locathah damned well better be in there!
30/09/2008 20:30:24 ‹Samwise› all fishy that is
30/09/2008 20:30:24 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Very few monsters from the AP are going to get into the first PFRPG monster book.
30/09/2008 20:30:36 ‹Erik Mona› Also, giving them the amphibious special quality.
30/09/2008 20:30:36 ‹cappadocius› Locathah are the only ACTUAL aquatic creatures in that list Russ.
30/09/2008 20:30:40 ‹Russ› Pardon me, add sahuagins to that list then :)
30/09/2008 20:30:43 ‹Erik Mona› Or something slightly less awesome.
30/09/2008 20:30:43 ‹jmberaldo› Russ> wouldnt the paper be spoiled by the water?
30/09/2008 20:30:45 ‹Daigle› Oh Erik, I've been meaning to ask you...are you responsible for the Eye of Abendego?
30/09/2008 20:30:49 ‹James Jacobs› Locathah are basically the lamest race. They have even less special abilities than humans.
30/09/2008 20:30:49 ‹Eyebite› I haven't heard anything yet...just that it's a horror/Halloween issue
30/09/2008 20:30:57 ‹cappadocius› Mermen are deadline monsters, tritons are Outsiders, and sea elves are retarded.
30/09/2008 20:31:00 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> Very shortly. I think perhaps Friday.
30/09/2008 20:31:12 * Viritoth the Pureblood changes his/her nickname to Justin Sluder
30/09/2008 20:31:12 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> We're trying to get Scenarios #5 and 6 out ASAP. They're currently in their last round of editing, IIRC.
30/09/2008 20:31:14 ‹Russ› Sea elves were used pretty well in U1-3
30/09/2008 20:31:15 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, and/or Erik Mona, what would you recommend for after Rise of the Runelords in the event my players wish to continue playing their characters?
30/09/2008 20:31:18 ‹Ross› cappadocius, I agree. Aquatic elves are retarded.
30/09/2008 20:31:19 ‹Charles Evans› James: I mean do you have any idea yet how much support you will give to monsters where it says (currently) in Pathfinder 'Otyugh: See MM, Page xxx'?
30/09/2008 20:31:19 ‹Samwise› locathah are somewhat superfluous with sahuagin unless you want a non-evil race
30/09/2008 20:31:21 ‹Eyebite› sea elves are teh suck
30/09/2008 20:31:22 ‹Erik Mona› Daigle> Yes.
30/09/2008 20:31:25 ‹cappadocius› James, you just want me to blow my Monster Point in the Ls so I can't spend it on the Wolf!
30/09/2008 20:31:29 ‹Ross› Mermen are mythical, though.
30/09/2008 20:31:34 ‹Charles Evans› And has the HP for them, but nothing else.
30/09/2008 20:31:39 ‹Erik Mona› I am responsible for an aweful lot of the campaign setting, actually.
30/09/2008 20:31:41 ‹Daigle› Werd! Any development plans in the near future?
30/09/2008 20:31:44 ‹jmberaldo› I have this nearly samaritan love for the locathah for some reason
30/09/2008 20:31:44 ‹Blazej› Can you tell us anything about PC-type races from other continents?
30/09/2008 20:31:48 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, I asked James before, but if you could, in real life, cast one spell of level 5 or lower at will, what would it be?
30/09/2008 20:31:50 ‹Charles Evans› Backwards compatibility with pre-exiting Paizo products?
30/09/2008 20:31:56 ‹Samwise› and yes, they are rather egregiously sucky
30/09/2008 20:31:57 ‹Erik Mona› Not so much with the gods or Varisia or Ustalav or a few other places, but most of the broad strokes are mine.
30/09/2008 20:32:03 * Mothman joins Main
30/09/2008 20:32:04 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Mermen aren't deadline monsters. They're from mythology. That's a free pass by the deadline monster tag.
30/09/2008 20:32:06 * Erik Mona broad strokes himself.
30/09/2008 20:32:16 ‹Russ› kopacinth and koalinths. And Vodyanoi! And how could I forget laceons?
30/09/2008 20:32:16 ‹Eyebite› Moth! hey
30/09/2008 20:32:21 ‹Daigle› Growing up with hurricanes, my brain was instantly hooked on the idea of a stationary storm like that.
30/09/2008 20:32:22 ‹Russ› er, laceons
30/09/2008 20:32:22 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hey Mothman!
30/09/2008 20:32:26 ‹Blazej› Ha!
30/09/2008 20:32:29 ‹cappadocius› James, you're a lot kinder on deadline monsterdom than I am!
20:32:35 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> Um, I have no idea.
30/09/2008 20:32:36 ‹Russ› My d is sticked
30/09/2008 20:32:38 ‹Erik Mona› Let me think about it.
30/09/2008 20:32:39 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> After Rise of the Runelords? I'd say hit them with Maure Castle, and put those levels below Kaer Maga or Castle Korvosa.
30/09/2008 20:32:39 ‹Mothman› Hey all
30/09/2008 20:32:41 ‹cappadocius› Locathah have so much potential
30/09/2008 20:32:58 ‹David› what spell did James pick?
30/09/2008 20:33:03 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> That's an interesting twist for that series in Dungeon
30/09/2008 20:33:05 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, nice, I hadn't thought of those.
30/09/2008 20:33:07 ‹Daigle› Howdy Mothy!
30/09/2008 20:33:11 ‹cappadocius› Cure Disease, David.
30/09/2008 20:33:11 ‹Erik Mona› Daigle> I basically came up with the idea watching the news right before the Katrina strike.
30/09/2008 20:33:14 ‹Mothman› I agree Cappa, I think Locathah have a lot of potential
30/09/2008 20:33:15 ‹Nameless› Hey Mothman!
30/09/2008 20:33:23 ‹David› aww...
30/09/2008 20:33:28 ‹Mothman› Hi guys
30/09/2008 20:33:38 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Mothman!
30/09/2008 20:33:48 ‹Russ› I would probably retcon one of the races into being fey.
30/09/2008 20:33:51 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, how long had you been planning Golarion? Katrina was a while ago
30/09/2008 20:33:53 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> We've used more monsters in the first 18 Pathfinder APS than we'll have room for... or if we DO, we'll end up having to not put in some iconic mosnters like fire giants or bronze dragons, etc. There's just no room. By the time we get to the second PF RPG monster book, though, I suspect they'll all be represented.
30/09/2008 20:34:10 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> Long time.
30/09/2008 20:34:17 ‹cappadocius› How many monsters DO you have room for?
30/09/2008 20:34:21 ‹Samwise› actually for all the sea critters, i rather agree with what James said about detailed aquatic rules
30/09/2008 20:34:25 ‹Daigle› Erik, the eye of that storm must hide some awesome stuff. The craziest experience with a hurricane was when I was little and the eye went right over us. Freaky a gorgeous memories that was.
30/09/2008 20:34:25 ‹cappadocius› My only monster question of the night, I promise!
30/09/2008 20:34:30 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, I was considering try to push them a little bit towards trying to unite the various peoples of Varisia into a new nation.
30/09/2008 20:34:35 ‹Samwise› realistic is nice, but extremely complex, and thus often too much
30/09/2008 20:34:36 ‹Nameless› I'm loving these monster books. Are they being aimed to release with the Pathfinder RPG or shortly after?
30/09/2008 20:34:43 ‹Russ› Yes. PF RPG needs to answer important questions - like, for starters, can you cast underwater if you can't breath underwater?
30/09/2008 20:34:45 ‹Charles Evans› :-k sacrifice of backwards compatibility then...
30/09/2008 20:34:49 ‹Pygon› Daigle - was it blue sky above?
30/09/2008 20:34:55 ‹Samwise› ive found such realism becomes boring after a few sessions
30/09/2008 20:34:57 ‹Charles Evans› Ah well.
30/09/2008 20:34:59 ‹Daigle› Pygon, yes...and calm
30/09/2008 20:35:02 ‹Erik Mona› How many times do I get to cast this spell?
30/09/2008 20:35:02 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Not really... it's just that if something's been in mythology for hundreds or thousands of years... it's doing SOMETHING right and therefore isn't a deadline monster. IF... 900 years from now, the gorilla bear is still being talked about... he wont' be a deadline monster anymore.
30/09/2008 20:35:03 ‹Pygon› awesome.
30/09/2008 20:35:04 ‹Justin Sluder› Yes, I admit it would be a massive task, but awesome and very different from RotR.
30/09/2008 20:35:09 ‹Pygon› then the other wall hit...
30/09/2008 20:35:11 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Russ- just finagle some Concentration checks for that
30/09/2008 20:35:13 ‹Charles Evans› For some 2nd edition style ecologies, it may be worth it.
30/09/2008 20:35:17 ‹Russ› If I could cast at will, d-door or invisibility
30/09/2008 20:35:21 ‹Mothman› MAybe the guy writing the myth was on a deadline...
30/09/2008 20:35:25 ‹Daigle› Pygon, and everything blew the opposite way.
30/09/2008 20:35:29 ‹Samwise› the players take all the precautions and then just get irritated "wasting" resources on them
30/09/2008 20:35:30 * cappadocius rubs his chin.
30/09/2008 20:35:35 ‹Russ› Greens - it is an awful big question to force people to infer the answer to
30/09/2008 20:35:54 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> We're still figuring out how many monsters we'll have room for... but I'm pretty sure that number will be less than the number I want to go in the book.
30/09/2008 20:35:55 ‹Eyebite› Makes you wonder what is at the center of the Eye, eh?
30/09/2008 20:36:08 ‹Daigle› Eyebite..exactly!
30/09/2008 20:36:12 * cappadocius nods.
30/09/2008 20:36:16 ‹yoda8myhead› Eyebite, Besmara!
30/09/2008 20:36:17 * Daigle has ideas. :D
30/09/2008 20:36:20 ‹cappadocius› So, Rovagug in AP4, huh?
30/09/2008 20:36:26 ‹cappadocius› Any spoooooooilers?
30/09/2008 20:36:50 ‹Erik Mona› Right now it is between lesser planar binding, contact other plane, and overland flight.
30/09/2008 20:36:50 ‹yoda8myhead› how bout spoilers for the nearer future? I am desperately in need of a Pathfinder fix
30/09/2008 20:37:01 ‹James Jacobs› Rovagug will get the SKR treatment in AP4, yeah. AND He'll be pretty core to the AP as well.
30/09/2008 20:37:03 ‹Charles Evans› I seem to recall a group of Lirgeni (?) ostensibly discovered what was in the middle of the sotrm, but killed themselves over the truth of it, before reporting to anyone.
30/09/2008 20:37:09 ‹Erik Mona› Actually, I take it back.
30/09/2008 20:37:15 ‹Pygon› lesser planar binding? .. what would you call?
30/09/2008 20:37:15 ‹cappadocius› yay!
30/09/2008 20:37:25 ‹Russ› James - two books, released at the same tiime? :)
30/09/2008 20:37:25 ‹James Jacobs› Succubus, of course!
30/09/2008 20:37:27 ‹cappadocius› Rovagug AP!
30/09/2008 20:37:28 * Christopher Utley quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 20:37:28 * Christopher Utley quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 20:37:32 ‹Wyvern› Overland Flight hands down. Such freedom.
30/09/2008 20:37:35 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Any news on when Customs will be bribed... I mean will clear the latest PFs for shipping?
30/09/2008 20:37:38 ‹Erik Mona› I'd use telepathic bond to cheat the shit out of Vegas and win myself a million dollars playing poker with James Jacobs scouting out the other players' cards.
30/09/2008 20:37:38 ‹Nameless› Hey, has anyone ever used the spell Prying Eyes?
30/09/2008 20:37:44 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> That woudl be cool! It would also requrie a company with a much bigger wallet than Paizo.
30/09/2008 20:37:47 ‹Pygon› I chose fly - better maneuverability.
30/09/2008 20:38:11 ‹James Jacobs› Erik> And with my ability to cast remove disease at well... antics in Vegas would be safe as well!
30/09/2008 20:38:16 ‹Russ› You guys pulled off the CS + the beta in the same month
30/09/2008 20:38:20 ‹Erik Mona› WOOT!
30/09/2008 20:38:20 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, do Erik's Vegas plan and then release the books
30/09/2008 20:38:39 ‹Samwise› i still prefer dominate person
30/09/2008 20:38:53 ‹David› i want Modify Memory would you take me with too>
30/09/2008 20:38:54 ‹David› >?
30/09/2008 20:38:59 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> We did. Notice how much original art is in the beta. And on top of that... we learned a LOT about our capacity with all that. At least, I hope we learned from it.
30/09/2008 20:39:06 ‹Erik Mona› I believe that the stuff in customs is released October 7th. That doesn't mean it will go out to subscribers immediately, but that's a good ballpark day for when things begin moving again.
30/09/2008 20:39:12 ‹yoda8myhead› I still go for Prestidigitation
30/09/2008 20:39:12 ‹Samwise› then i can make erik "share" his new found wealth with me :D
30/09/2008 20:39:27 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Ok ty Eric
30/09/2008 20:39:28 ‹Pygon› another week. *cry*
30/09/2008 20:39:30 * Erik Mona has learned nothing. Cracks whip.
30/09/2008 20:39:38 ‹Russ› Locate object has potential :) (gold coins)
30/09/2008 20:39:43 ‹Ross› Flame Strike. Nothing like wrath from god.
30/09/2008 20:39:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› :whipit:
30/09/2008 20:39:56 ‹Justin Sluder› I'd go with either Fly or Haste.
30/09/2008 20:40:00 ‹Charles Evans› Create water.
30/09/2008 20:40:03 ‹James Jacobs› I stand by my choice. Remove disease lets me become pretty all-powerful pretty quickly.
30/09/2008 20:40:05 ‹Nameless› Alright, seeing as no one has used it, I'm going with Prying Eyes as my spell
30/09/2008 20:40:06 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Exactly and the Sinister Adventures isn't going to be another few weeks... I declare this a bout of RPG drought dammit! :razz:
30/09/2008 20:40:06 ‹Mothman› PF14 being held up in customs really sucks ... reckon a rival company "tipped them off"? ;-)
30/09/2008 20:40:16 ‹Wyvern› Actually, I'd like reincarnate!
30/09/2008 20:40:23 ‹Wyvern› I'd live forever.
30/09/2008 20:40:24 ‹yoda8myhead› Greenis Grunticus, save up your recession pennies
30/09/2008 20:40:29 ‹Daigle› Honestly, I'd take anything. I'm not gonna be picky if I can cast a real spell.
30/09/2008 20:40:34 ‹Nameless› Greenis Grunticus, it's ok, I have too much reading already. ;)
30/09/2008 20:40:39 ‹Charles Evans› Create water has more application for either good or evil.
30/09/2008 20:40:45 ‹yoda8myhead› Wyvern, yeah, as a gnoll or halfling or lizardman
30/09/2008 20:41:00 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> That's the type of talk that would get you detect magic at will. Not too useful in this world if you've got the only spell!
30/09/2008 20:41:10 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, even something like mending?
30/09/2008 20:41:11 ‹Erik Mona› I sort of wish the old "system shock" aging restriction was still a part of haste.
30/09/2008 20:41:12 ‹David› heh
30/09/2008 20:41:24 ‹Nameless› James Jacobs, or it could be SO useful. Seeing the underlying magic that we fail to notice. Pretty neat.
30/09/2008 20:41:27 ‹Erik Mona› I know the modern sensibility is to frown on that sort of thing, but I felt it kept the spell from being too abused.
30/09/2008 20:41:28 ‹Mothman› "All clear fellas - no magic here! ... again..."
30/09/2008 20:41:34 ‹Greenis Grunticus› My RPG fix is ... I'm going into cold turkey mode and it's nasty!!
30/09/2008 20:41:37 ‹Samwise› Erik>i have said that was at the core of it becoming "unbalanced" for years
30/09/2008 20:41:39 ‹Rambling Scribe› mending would be an awesome real world power.
30/09/2008 20:41:41 ‹Daigle› James...good point. In that case I choose dispel magic just to mess with all the reckless spellcasting going down.
30/09/2008 20:41:42 ‹Russ› Yep. As it is, it is all haste, all the time
30/09/2008 20:41:47 ‹Russ› I am a huge fan of the buff slots concept.
30/09/2008 20:41:49 ‹James Jacobs› SO! What would anyone here do if a player in their group hit upon the combo of "TIME STOP plus solid fog plus all the blade barriers you can fit inside that fog">
30/09/2008 20:41:51 ‹Wyvern› Aging is the answer to all abuse.
30/09/2008 20:41:54 ‹Eyebite› or read magic
30/09/2008 20:41:55 * The Last Rogue joins Main
30/09/2008 20:41:56 ‹Samwise› not that anyone pays attention to me :(
30/09/2008 20:42:09 ‹Pygon› with all the iterative attacks at higher levels, haste doesn't give as much of an advantage as it did in 1e/2e
30/09/2008 20:42:11 ‹Russ› James - well, the barriers do no damage during the stop
30/09/2008 20:42:12 ‹Daigle› TLR! How's it been?
30/09/2008 20:42:13 ‹Erik Mona› In fact, I miss all of the aging effects in the game.
30/09/2008 20:42:22 ‹David› Samwise, did tou say something?
30/09/2008 20:42:23 ‹Nameless› Daigle, but if you do run into someone with magic, they will be so pissed.
30/09/2008 20:42:23 ‹Russ› They can't be brought into the same area as a creature in the time stop either, I would rule...
30/09/2008 20:42:24 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> I have no idea... My players aren't that saavy so I would probably just shit my pants
30/09/2008 20:42:27 * Rambling Scribe casts blur.
30/09/2008 20:42:29 ‹Nameless› Hey, Rogue!
30/09/2008 20:42:31 * Samwise smites David
30/09/2008 20:42:35 ‹Eyebite› JJ> I would take that player outside and hit him in the face with a rake
30/09/2008 20:42:37 ‹Nameless› Rambling Scribe, not again!
30/09/2008 20:42:38 ‹Mothman› James: I can't see my players doing that ... but if they did, and it was within the rules ... I guess I'd let them do it. Once. Then figure out a way to restrict it
30/09/2008 20:42:39 ‹Russ› And either way, you get a reflex save for NO damage if they appear in your square, time stop or no
30/09/2008 20:42:39 ‹The Last Rogue› Hello
30/09/2008 20:42:40 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> True. But if you have a large creature and he's stuck in the solid fog, he'll be hit by multiple barriers each round.
30/09/2008 20:42:41 ‹Erik Mona› Ghosts were better when they aged you.
30/09/2008 20:42:43 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hi Last Rogue
30/09/2008 20:42:48 ‹Crimson Jester› How about Shadow Conjuration?
30/09/2008 20:42:48 ‹James Jacobs› It's a pretty hard-core tactic.
30/09/2008 20:42:50 ‹Pygon› hi Rogue
30/09/2008 20:43:01 ‹The Last Rogue› Py, Scribe, GG
30/09/2008 20:43:09 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I seem to recall Mokmurian doing some nasty things with fog type effects in Pathfinder #4...
30/09/2008 20:43:14 ‹Pygon› James - woudl web work the same way?
30/09/2008 20:43:16 ‹robert_hawk› timestop and blade barrier? if that's all they are doing I'd be happy
30/09/2008 20:43:17 ‹Russ› The Save-for-no pretty well nerfs blade barrier on a target
30/09/2008 20:43:18 ‹Samwise› James>thats where teleport spells come in handy
30/09/2008 20:43:25 ‹James Jacobs› Fog is a really rough effect.
30/09/2008 20:43:27 ‹Charles Evans› Oh, and with his Hounds of Tindalos, too.
30/09/2008 20:43:36 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, It's like a game of Marco Polo, CuisineArt style.
30/09/2008 20:43:43 ‹Samwise› James>i prefer to use it with haboob from sandstorm, the solid fog effect that is
20:43:49 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Yeah, but if you're taking hits from blade barrier, that's continual damage. That's a pretty rough Concentration check to make.
30/09/2008 20:43:56 ‹Russ› Also, you can move 10 feet in solid fog, so it would normally only nail you for 2 rounds if you blew the save
30/09/2008 20:44:04 ‹James Jacobs› Web wouldn't; the blade barrier would chop through it fast and ruin it, I'd say.
30/09/2008 20:44:24 ‹Russ› Be nice if PF RPG would also clarify better how movement penalties work on large and up critters (like 4E dd)
30/09/2008 20:44:25 ‹Nameless› Erik Mona, yes, I miss the aging effects!
30/09/2008 20:44:32 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> If you're huge or larger, though, it's a lot harder to get out of the way.
30/09/2008 20:44:37 ‹Charles Evans› Doesn't Blade barrier create significant air currents, locally?
30/09/2008 20:44:46 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope.
30/09/2008 20:44:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hey, I came up with a crazy rules abuse today. In my game there's a fighter with a ranseur and combat reflexes with a bunch of special AoO feats. Next week we will be fighting one big monster, and I'm going to try to convinve the sorcerer to cast multiple low-level summon spells and have the creatures run around the fighter, so he can take the AoO and then cleave into the big bad.
30/09/2008 20:44:52 ‹Samwise› since part of you remains stuck in the fog, yeah
30/09/2008 20:44:56 ‹James Jacobs› Nothing in the spell indicates it creates air currents.
30/09/2008 20:44:59 ‹Samwise› i like that with large critters
30/09/2008 20:45:03 ‹Wyvern› Speaking of aging. I have an honest question about APs. Are they made to be fast on purpose? I like characters aging while adventuring, or in between adventures. Having a life outside of the dungeon. It doesn't has to be played you can just say 2 years go by. But APs don't seem to consider such downtime.
30/09/2008 20:45:07 ‹jmberaldo› Id cast "Power Word, End Session" and use up the week to think it out :D
30/09/2008 20:45:14 ‹The Last Rogue› Scribe, you are cruel
30/09/2008 20:45:21 ‹Pygon› Scribe - that's a 4e tactic :)
30/09/2008 20:45:22 ‹The Last Rogue› I pity your DM
30/09/2008 20:45:23 ‹Russ› Force cage plus blade barrier is nastier :)
30/09/2008 20:45:24 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik, what would you like to see most on the wiki? I've hit a block in terms of what to write about next
30/09/2008 20:45:26 ‹The Last Rogue› ;)
30/09/2008 20:45:27 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: So it's an ethereal ghost touch effect then?
30/09/2008 20:45:29 ‹Russ› Also known as the Ronco slicer-dicer
30/09/2008 20:45:31 ‹Charles Evans› :)
30/09/2008 20:45:34 ‹Blazej› Rambling Scribe, yes I believe I've heard that as a sort of bag of rats stratigy.
30/09/2008 20:45:45 ‹Samwise› oh . . .
30/09/2008 20:45:56 ‹James Jacobs› I'm running Savage Tide, and the group pretty much took out Redfang without taking barely any damage with said tactic. it was pretty cool.
30/09/2008 20:45:58 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Power Word End Session.. Saved my ass as a DM a few times I tell you! ](*,)
30/09/2008 20:46:02 ‹Samwise› Yoda>your monster index forgot the variant critters in Classic Monsters Revisited
30/09/2008 20:46:02 ‹James Jacobs› But a little disapointing.
30/09/2008 20:46:21 ‹yoda8myhead› Samwise, true
30/09/2008 20:46:25 ‹Pygon› I don't allow Cleaves on AoO's myself.
30/09/2008 20:46:30 ‹yoda8myhead› I'll add them tomorrow
30/09/2008 20:46:30 ‹Pygon› but.. that's me.
30/09/2008 20:46:36 ‹yoda8myhead› or you can add em
30/09/2008 20:46:38 ‹Mothman› James, remind me who Redfang is?
30/09/2008 20:46:38 ‹Russ› The game really works bettter if people don't try to exploit corner cases.
30/09/2008 20:46:45 ‹yoda8myhead› the wiki can e edited by ananyone
30/09/2008 20:46:48 ‹jmberaldo› Erik/James> Do you guys intend to use what happens in PFS (say, Qadira faction 'win' more influence after a season) to have effect on Pathfinder's storyline (in that example, Qadira stabilish an embassy in Absalom, which takes to a AP or adventure module)
30/09/2008 20:46:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› We're about to fight the dracolich in adventure 11 of the AoW
30/09/2008 20:46:53 ‹James Jacobs› Redfang is the dread linnorm the eladrins send you to murder.
30/09/2008 20:46:55 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I'm a little disappointed Arendagost got the antimagic effect in Savage Tide, and not Redfang....
30/09/2008 20:47:03 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> I'd pick a cetain topic, say "nations" or "gods" and just go through and make sure the bare minimum info is there for the entire category.
30/09/2008 20:47:05 ‹Samwise› i hate editing :-P
30/09/2008 20:47:05 ‹Russ› Rambling - that happens Friday for me!
30/09/2008 20:47:10 ‹Charles Evans› Mothman: The linnorm
30/09/2008 20:47:20 ‹Charles Evans› Ah. Ninja'ed
30/09/2008 20:47:25 ‹Daigle› Hate editing?!
30/09/2008 20:47:35 ‹Russ› Any of you ever exploited the antimagic donut? Now there's a nasty tactic
30/09/2008 20:47:38 ‹Samwise› i hate it
30/09/2008 20:47:38 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Not sure yet; my preference is to let the Adventure Paths drive the meta-story and let the PFS be less of an impact on world events, though.
30/09/2008 20:47:39 ‹Daigle› I missed the reference, but that line stood out to me.
30/09/2008 20:47:40 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, that's a big task
30/09/2008 20:47:44 ‹Samwise› its evil and unholy :-P
30/09/2008 20:47:46 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Russ.. That's like saying the financial market will run better if people don't try to exploit unregulated financial transactions....Well, maybe not :razz:
30/09/2008 20:47:55 * Daigle is shocked.
30/09/2008 20:47:58 ‹The Last Rogue› Daigle loves editing. Don't get him started
30/09/2008 20:48:01 ‹The Last Rogue› ;)
30/09/2008 20:48:02 * Daigle is kinda weird.
30/09/2008 20:48:06 ‹Russ› Greenis - It is a cooperative game. On some level, both the DM and the players should agree to not be a#!*&~#s.
30/09/2008 20:48:07 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> With redfang, though... we couldn't really change his stats much without reason. Arendagrost was made up whole-cloth so anything goes there.
30/09/2008 20:48:09 ‹Crimson Jester› antimagic donut? the police wizards worst nightmare
30/09/2008 20:48:18 ‹Mothman› That's right. Darn bloodthirsty Eladrins
30/09/2008 20:48:37 ‹Samwise› yoda>however, i might be convinced to send you my index of other new rules material in pathfinder products for reference if you have an email address
30/09/2008 20:48:38 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> Then pick a smaller category. "10 countries I find interesting." or "10 gods with zero information currently posted" and just post a sentence or two of basic information on each.
30/09/2008 20:48:45 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Russ> Aye.. But it all gets shot to hell in my area...
30/09/2008 20:48:47 ‹Samwise› Daigle>ok, let me clarify
30/09/2008 20:49:05 ‹Russ› Yoda - feel free to drop Wiki assignments on me
30/09/2008 20:49:17 ‹jmberaldo› I was going to ask if Absalom was going to be more of a "PFS only" region, but just remembered Hangman's Noose, and turned to wonder if maybe you guys will have a "split server" way of doing things (with PFS affecting the 'PFS Golarion' and not the 'PF Golarion')
30/09/2008 20:49:33 ‹Samwise› Daigle>i hate editing when i have ability to contribute relevant and highly critical changes that are required, and when i am not getting paid
30/09/2008 20:49:36 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik, yeah, but with so many countries and only two sources on most of them I fear plagiarizing too much from my own lack of rphrasing ability
30/09/2008 20:49:38 ‹James Jacobs› Absalom will be used in PFS and the modules and probably eventually in an AP.
30/09/2008 20:49:39 ‹Samwise› is that better?
30/09/2008 20:49:40 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, Erik Mona, what are your 3 LEAST favorite nations in the Campaign Setting?
30/09/2008 20:49:43 ‹Russ› CJ - the antimagic donut is any of a variety of tricks for being inside an antimagic field that doesn't affect you.
30/09/2008 20:49:50 ‹Daigle› Sam, sure.
30/09/2008 20:49:52 ‹Erik Mona› Asmodeus could use some work.
30/09/2008 20:49:59 ‹James Jacobs› We're already gonna have to ret-con some of the stuff from Hangman's Noose and Gallery of Evil, I fear.
30/09/2008 20:50:10 ‹The Last Rogue› NO
30/09/2008 20:50:10 ‹cappadocius› Aw. Why?
30/09/2008 20:50:15 * jmberaldo nods
30/09/2008 20:50:16 ‹Samwise› retcon?
30/09/2008 20:50:17 ‹yoda8myhead› NOOOO! Retconning is the devil
30/09/2008 20:50:19 ‹Samwise› hmmmm?
30/09/2008 20:50:28 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 20:50:31 ‹Russ› Feh. Hewing blindly to canon is the devil.
30/09/2008 20:50:35 ‹yoda8myhead› Did you come up with a solution for the Dragonfall retcon?
30/09/2008 20:50:46 ‹Samwise› Asmodeus Sphere: Retconning
30/09/2008 20:50:48 ‹Samwise› aie!
30/09/2008 20:50:55 ‹The Last Rogue› If I've learned anything wasting my youth on chocolate milk and Marvel comics it is that Retconning is the Devil's work!
30/09/2008 20:51:02 ‹The Last Rogue› The DEVIL'S WORK
30/09/2008 20:51:04 ‹The Last Rogue› !!!
30/09/2008 20:51:11 ‹Nameless› The Last Rogue, whose work?
30/09/2008 20:51:18 ‹Crimson Jester› Marvel comics............... What about DC!!!!!!!!!!!!
30/09/2008 20:51:19 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> My 3 least favorite nations? Andoran, umm... Molthune... and probably whatever nation it was that Molthune is at war with.
30/09/2008 20:51:21 ‹The Last Rogue› THE DEVIL'S
30/09/2008 20:51:22 ‹yoda8myhead› rather, probably Daemon's work
30/09/2008 20:51:32 ‹Charles Evans› Nirmathas.
30/09/2008 20:51:32 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, Nirmathas
30/09/2008 20:51:35 ‹Russ› Andoran is pretty bad.
30/09/2008 20:51:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› Remember, Erik mona plays a Chelliaxian
30/09/2008 20:51:37 ‹James Jacobs› yeah
30/09/2008 20:51:55 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Imagine an adventuring session where one of your players behaves exactly some hedge-fund operator creating oh.. I don't know.. a CDO that gradually gets out of control... Next thing you the campaign crashes and the DM Congress has to spend a week trying to come up with a bail out package to salvage the campaign
30/09/2008 20:52:19 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, Andoran? Too modern for your fantasy tastes?
30/09/2008 20:52:23 ‹Mothman› ugh ... work
30/09/2008 20:52:27 ‹James Jacobs› Anyway... as it turns out, Absalom is a very important city, and what we want to do with it can't be limited by slapdash choices we made a year ago. For example: The Ivy District is WAY too small to be a proper district.
30/09/2008 20:52:29 * Mothman changes his/her nickname to Moth Working
30/09/2008 20:52:39 ‹Eyebite› Just an idea I had - might be horrible, have you guys thought of labeling your Paizo modules as either "C" (Canon) and "G" (Generic)? You could then call Dragonfall, Hangman, and Gallery part of the "G" series...and could release G mods if they come in and not worry about them screwing with Golarion too much?
30/09/2008 20:53:03 ‹cappadocius› That screws with the extant and effective labeling system, Eyebite!
30/09/2008 20:53:10 ‹The Last Rogue› Well, there's bound to be some mistakes along the way . . .
30/09/2008 20:53:13 ‹Eyebite› I know I know
30/09/2008 20:53:13 ‹yoda8myhead› Eyebite, mixing canon and non-canon is bad for the wiki
30/09/2008 20:53:14 ‹Nameless› So what was wrong with Dragonfall?
30/09/2008 20:53:19 ‹Samwise› James>that does not sound too bad
30/09/2008 20:53:20 ‹James Jacobs› Andoran is too goodie two-shoes. Also... it's got the distinction of being a nation that there's been a LOT of Paizo product about that I've not read. It's a very detailed region that I know little about, so there's a lot of stealth continuity that annoys me with it. Plus, the eagle knight guy has too small of a head.
30/09/2008 20:53:22 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> So does this mean you will be allowing Nick dropping a small thermonuclear warhead in downtown Absalom??
30/09/2008 20:53:25 ‹yoda8myhead› cappadocius, don't get me started!
30/09/2008 20:53:36 ‹Eyebite› Well, the non-canon stuff doesn't need to be added to the wiki - just a thought I had.
30/09/2008 20:53:49 ‹Russ› Pinhead knights!
30/09/2008 20:53:49 ‹Erik Mona› I'd put some work into Asmodeus, Erastil, Iomedae, Irori, Lamashtu, Nethys, Norgorber, Rovagug, Torag, and Urgathoa. Just a sentence or two on each, and you'll have something substantive for every single major god, which is a huge accomplishment.
30/09/2008 20:53:55 ‹The Last Rogue› Eyebite! What'd we tell you thinking!
30/09/2008 20:53:59 ‹Samwise› making a district bigger and suchlike
30/09/2008 20:54:02 ‹yoda8myhead› No, the wiki will engulf all of Golarion! All of it, I say!
30/09/2008 20:54:07 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> Problem there is we don't know what we want to do about canon or generic often for a long time after things are out.
30/09/2008 20:54:08 ‹Eyebite› :lol:
30/09/2008 20:54:10 ‹Pygon› poor small head guy
30/09/2008 20:54:20 ‹Lilith› More Tian Xia, please n' thank you.
30/09/2008 20:54:25 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, I can see that. I haven't been really all that motivated to study up on Andoran.
30/09/2008 20:54:29 ‹Russ› More Vudrans!
30/09/2008 20:54:30 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, I'm waiting for Gods & Magic to tackle the deities
30/09/2008 20:54:30 ‹Daigle› He compensates with his sword.
30/09/2008 20:54:31 ‹Blazej› Erik Mona, James Jacobs, Can you tell us anything about PC-type races from other continents?
30/09/2008 20:54:31 * cappadocius logs on to the wiki. "Rovagug is totally awesome. He was totally screwed over by the other gods because they were jealous. He rocks."
30/09/2008 20:54:32 ‹Justin Sluder› Lilith, ditto
30/09/2008 20:54:34 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> Nick is on the short leash! No nukes, in other words.
30/09/2008 20:54:45 ‹Greenis Grunticus› :D
30/09/2008 20:54:57 ‹Eyebite› Ah...that makes sense. I just didn't know how tight of a leash you guys kept on the mods vs. the pathfinder books, for example
30/09/2008 20:55:11 ‹James Jacobs› Gods & Magic has a LOT of good info on the deities. A lot.
30/09/2008 20:55:14 ‹Charles Evans› Sandwiched between Taldor and Cheliax, and with Qadira across the Inner Sea, Andoran is in a very interesting position.
30/09/2008 20:55:20 ‹The Last Rogue› No nukes?! Bah!
30/09/2008 20:55:22 ‹yoda8myhead› So it's been about 3 months since the last product announcement. When can we expect info on Q2 stuff?
30/09/2008 20:55:22 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> Did you realize that Nick chose to murder you during the AnimalCast inquisition?? I was shocked and appalled
30/09/2008 20:55:24 ‹Erik Mona› James> Andoran can be much, much more interesting than that. They are the "good guy" nation, to some degree, but I am too jaundiced a human being to create something that is not in some way majorly tainted.
30/09/2008 20:55:24 ‹cappadocius› Hey, will Gods and More Gods give the names of all the Heralds?
30/09/2008 20:55:26 ‹Nameless› JJ> What about Dragonfall needs retconning?
30/09/2008 20:55:39 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> we can't really... I don't know much about them. Erik could probably throw out a few hints though...
30/09/2008 20:55:42 ‹Justin Sluder› Charles Evans, Osirion
30/09/2008 20:55:51 ‹Nameless› Yeah, Andoran has MANY problems.
30/09/2008 20:55:52 ‹James Jacobs› ALthough there's probably some sort of spirit folk type PC race in Tian Xia.
30/09/2008 20:55:55 ‹Justin Sluder› Qadira is to the east of Osirion.
30/09/2008 20:55:58 ‹Erik Mona› Excuse the ignorant publisher, but what material, exactly, is being considered "non-canon"?
30/09/2008 20:56:01 ‹Blazej› Erik~.
20:56:09 ‹yoda8myhead› Will there be Rakasta, or a new version of them?
30/09/2008 20:56:15 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, :rofl:
30/09/2008 20:56:23 ‹James Jacobs› No plans for a rakasta type race yet.
30/09/2008 20:56:29 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Mona: You made Andoran a democracy:) Plato would argue you can't get much more tainted than that without being a tyranny....
30/09/2008 20:56:33 ‹Erik Mona› Blazej> We haven't done much thinking about PC-type races from other continents.
30/09/2008 20:56:41 ‹yoda8myhead› make those plans, James, and I'll buy a case of whatever book they debut in
30/09/2008 20:56:47 ‹Blazej› Alright.
30/09/2008 20:56:53 ‹Erik Mona› The "Beyond the Inner Sea" section in the Campaign Setting summarizes most of our thought about other continents to date.
30/09/2008 20:56:55 ‹James Jacobs› I'm pretty hard to convince to make new PC races, though...
30/09/2008 20:57:05 ‹James Jacobs› As in: I"m pretty happy with the 7 the PHB has.
30/09/2008 20:57:14 ‹Pygon› Erik - that's my interpretation of Andoran as well, which I plan to spotlight a bit in LB1
30/09/2008 20:57:18 ‹Erik Mona› As far as Tian Xia is concerned, you can probably assume it will be like an "oriental adventures" campaign with the requisite creatures based on Asian mythology.
30/09/2008 20:57:21 ‹Charles Evans› Justin: The Andorans do not get on well with the Qadiran's; something about slavery, and Qadira is diagonally across the Inner Sea from Andoran.
30/09/2008 20:57:24 ‹James Jacobs› And I'd probably be pretty happy with just humans, elves, and halflings. And I'd probably even be happy with just humans.
30/09/2008 20:57:24 ‹Justin Sluder› Erik Mona, what about you? What 3 nations are your LEAST favorite?
30/09/2008 20:57:26 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, :excite:
30/09/2008 20:57:29 ‹yoda8myhead› well then at least non-LA monster races from the distant wilderlands
30/09/2008 20:57:33 ‹Charles Evans› Andorens, even...
30/09/2008 20:57:36 ‹Russ› Yes. Just please, make some changes to keep gnomes/halflings different. I.e. don't give them both + Cha, and give gnomes better bonus hp than halflings
30/09/2008 20:57:49 ‹cappadocius› Russ makes an excellent point.
30/09/2008 20:57:50 ‹James Jacobs› Erik, I suspect, loves ALL of his children equally! :)
30/09/2008 20:57:54 ‹Justin Sluder› Charles Evans, agreed on that.
30/09/2008 20:58:12 ‹cappadocius› Halflings should have + Wis.
30/09/2008 20:58:13 * Russ thinks gnomes should get +int
30/09/2008 20:58:24 ‹cappadocius› Also, will Gods and More Gods give the names of all the Heralds?
30/09/2008 20:58:30 ‹Russ› Cappa - ugh, too many +wis races already
30/09/2008 20:58:32 ‹Erik Mona› The ones I don't like are not my children. :)
30/09/2008 20:58:37 ‹Erik Mona› Let's see...
30/09/2008 20:58:42 ‹yoda8myhead› Like Varisia!
30/09/2008 20:58:44 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: That's a strength of having so many creative folk at Paizo. Even if someone doesn't like a nation, there's a lot more folk in the pool who do and who have some great ideas for it. So, in theory, it all works out!
30/09/2008 20:58:54 ‹cappadocius› Russ, that's not the fault of the halfings which SHOULD have a + WIS.
30/09/2008 20:58:56 ‹Russ› I don't care for the gun city, mainly because of the age of the guns
30/09/2008 20:58:57 ‹Erik Mona› Alkenstar, Brevoy, and Thuvia, probably.
30/09/2008 20:59:10 ‹Russ› Alkenstar, that's it
30/09/2008 20:59:11 ‹Daigle› Erik and/or James, how far ahead do you guys have the modules planned out now that they are six-ish per year?
30/09/2008 20:59:11 ‹James Jacobs› Oh. Can I change my "Andoran" to Alkenstar?
30/09/2008 20:59:16 ‹Nameless› James Jacobs, unless one nation just happens to tick everyone off. That poor nation...
30/09/2008 20:59:20 ‹James Jacobs› I totally forgot about that one.
30/09/2008 20:59:22 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, Erik Mona, no love for the firearms?
30/09/2008 20:59:28 ‹James Jacobs› not here
30/09/2008 20:59:29 ‹Erik Mona› James> Yes, please.
30/09/2008 20:59:37 ‹Russ› 1800 year old guns, really jarring
30/09/2008 20:59:38 ‹Blazej› :(
30/09/2008 20:59:43 ‹Erik Mona› I just don't really care for the way that section was handled. Or written. Or conceived of.
30/09/2008 20:59:47 ‹James Jacobs› Done: My 3 least favorite: Alkenstar, Molthune, and Nirmathas.
30/09/2008 20:59:50 ‹Erik Mona› It's just sort of weak, imho.
30/09/2008 20:59:54 ‹Charles Evans› My exactly is there a 'running man' on the Thivian crest by the way? I asked that on the errata/reference thread but didn't get an immediate response.
30/09/2008 21:00:06 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, who did that section, and better yet, are they still employed at Paizo?
30/09/2008 21:00:07 * Crimson Jester quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 21:00:09 ‹Eyebite› Wow, that's brutally honest of you guys
30/09/2008 21:00:12 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Well.. You know if the Paizo staff dislikes any of the countries on Avistan.. I'm sure they could rely on Nick to come up with well... Nuclear solutions :razz:
30/09/2008 21:00:16 ‹Erik Mona› But at least it is tucked away far from most people's campaigns, which is probably a fitting place for something involving firearms, which a lot of people really hate.
30/09/2008 21:00:18 ‹Charles Evans› The sun orchied (?) and alchemical flask make a certain amount of sense.
30/09/2008 21:00:24 ‹Charles Evans› orchid
30/09/2008 21:00:25 ‹Nameless› Yeah, Thuvia kinda seems a bit gimmicky, I must admit.
30/09/2008 21:00:30 ‹Daigle› Charles, running man? The bad dance move?
30/09/2008 21:00:33 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> We've kinda got the modules planned out for a little less than a year.
30/09/2008 21:00:47 ‹Daigle› James, thanks.
30/09/2008 21:00:54 ‹Charles Evans› Daigle Bottom left quarter of the crest for Thuvia.
30/09/2008 21:00:59 ‹Russ› There's one nation that gets me for having nonsense with the way the wars work
30/09/2008 21:01:06 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> I don't really want to get into who wrote stuff I'm saying I don't love. Figure it out for yourself. :)
30/09/2008 21:01:12 ‹Russ› The idea is the keep all the food in the cities, as I recall - and what do they do about the farms, exactly?
30/09/2008 21:01:13 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Which one Russ??
30/09/2008 21:01:20 * cappadocius hms. My least favorite are French Revolution, Generic Orc Wasteland, and whatever Druma is.
30/09/2008 21:01:26 ‹Charles Evans› Top left, a flower, top right an alchemical flask of some sort, bottom left a running man (or woman?), bottom right, vacant.
30/09/2008 21:01:29 ‹cappadocius› What *is* Druma?
30/09/2008 21:01:38 ‹Daigle› Charles...gotcha
30/09/2008 21:01:39 ‹cappadocius› I even have the bloody CS, and I can't remember a country named Druma.
30/09/2008 21:01:45 ‹Nameless› cappadocius, a Kalistocracy
30/09/2008 21:01:46 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> I have no idea. Perhaps it is to represent health or something? I really don't like that crest at all.
30/09/2008 21:01:51 ‹Erik Mona› As long as we're being brutally honest.
30/09/2008 21:01:53 ‹cappadocius› oh, right. *That* place.
30/09/2008 21:01:58 ‹cappadocius› yeah, I'm stickin' with it.
30/09/2008 21:02:02 ‹Erik Mona› Thuvia is just a one-trick pony.
30/09/2008 21:02:04 ‹James Jacobs› Agree with Erik. That crest looks like a videogame power up.
30/09/2008 21:02:13 ‹Daigle› :lol:
30/09/2008 21:02:29 * Russ really, really wishes the world felt more dynamic.
30/09/2008 21:02:33 ‹yoda8myhead› cappadocius, Druma has the weird cult based on self-denial in exchange for riches in the future
30/09/2008 21:02:44 ‹Erik Mona› It can be fixed and made cooler (and will be), but it's basically a place that didn't have any good ideas behind it, so instead the whole thing is hung on the perch of one good idea.
30/09/2008 21:02:47 ‹cappadocius› Right, right. Mormon-land.
30/09/2008 21:02:47 ‹James Jacobs› Honestly... I would have liked another year to fine-tune the setting book... but we didn't really have that luxury. SO! Now it's all about polishing things up nice and purty! Which I'm confident that our authors CAN do.
30/09/2008 21:02:57 ‹Charles Evans› Thuvia has more than one trick... there are the hints of teleports not working around the fortress, and the ancient ruins.
30/09/2008 21:03:06 ‹cappadocius› All the cool countries are shoved up by the glacier.
30/09/2008 21:03:06 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> Now Druma I do like very much.
30/09/2008 21:03:06 ‹Russ› Yep. Looking forward to a CS update in 5 years
30/09/2008 21:03:11 ‹Justin Sluder› I find myself unable to pick 3 least favs. Golarion just rocks to much IMHO.
30/09/2008 21:03:14 ‹Pygon› the gun country is getting retconned. almost fitting?
30/09/2008 21:03:15 ‹Charles Evans› Plus the politicking prince trying to assert control over at least one of the other cities.
30/09/2008 21:03:22 ‹cappadocius› ugh. Druma.
30/09/2008 21:03:29 ‹Samwise› its not like you cant leave a bunch of obscure references lurking about for crazed fans to contemplate endlessly for decades
30/09/2008 21:03:32 ‹yoda8myhead› A lot of the nations seem to be that way at this point. I guess it's only natural when creating a whole world at once. Some are just glorified plot hooks at this point
30/09/2008 21:03:43 ‹Erik Mona› Sam> There is a lot of that in there. :)
30/09/2008 21:03:50 ‹Samwise› until they finally insert some revisions, expansions, and one or two overt retcons into
30/09/2008 21:04:01 ‹Charles Evans› ut it's diofficult to envision and adventure where the PCs know where they're going/are, and it not involving sun orchids in some way.
30/09/2008 21:04:01 ‹Samwise› and produce a totally new version of it
30/09/2008 21:04:02 ‹Erik Mona› I really want to avoid overt retcons.
30/09/2008 21:04:03 ‹James Jacobs› But honestly... if there's not a few nations that any one person doesn't like... we kinda failed. Because one of the goals was to make a campagin setting with something for everyone. And that's a pretty tall order.
30/09/2008 21:04:15 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Aye
30/09/2008 21:04:17 ‹cappadocius› Oh! I have a question! S3, Expedition to the Barrier Peaks would very obviously be set in Numeria. Where you would you, James Jacobs and Erik Mona, set S1, S2, and S4?
30/09/2008 21:04:20 ‹Samwise› like what was that horrible book? Living something Gazetteer? :-P
30/09/2008 21:04:28 ‹Erik Mona› Increasing the size of Absalom's Ivy District isn't a big deal, but saying that there is no such thing as the Ivy District is a big problem for me.
30/09/2008 21:04:35 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> HA! Awesome question!
30/09/2008 21:04:52 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, and Dragonfall?
30/09/2008 21:04:52 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, I'm sorry.
30/09/2008 21:05:01 ‹Russ› I'd be tempted to set S1 in the frozen north just to be different
30/09/2008 21:05:04 * kvantum joins Main
30/09/2008 21:05:05 ‹Erik Mona› What is the problem with Dragonfall?
30/09/2008 21:05:13 ‹Samwise› Erik>yes, a good setting book should have all of those little things, as for the retcons . . . if you all wind up hating the guns, get rid of them
30/09/2008 21:05:15 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hi Kvantum
30/09/2008 21:05:17 ‹Daigle› Howdy kvantum
30/09/2008 21:05:21 ‹Nameless› Hey, kvantum
30/09/2008 21:05:23 ‹cappadocius› I think it's the Elephant Graveyard concept, Erik.
30/09/2008 21:05:29 ‹Erik Mona› I think it's a matter of de-emphasizing rather than forgetting.
30/09/2008 21:05:32 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy kvantum
30/09/2008 21:05:32 ‹Erik Mona› What's the problem with that?
30/09/2008 21:05:34 ‹cappadocius› I love the guns!
30/09/2008 21:05:40 * The Last Rogue kinda sorta likes guns in his fantasy.
30/09/2008 21:05:41 ‹cappadocius› Don't get rid of the guns!
30/09/2008 21:05:43 ‹Samwise› id rather you not wind up fighting your own product at the expense of a minor retconning or two
30/09/2008 21:05:46 ‹Erik Mona› That's why they are there.
30/09/2008 21:05:50 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I don't mind guns being in Golarion too much
30/09/2008 21:05:56 ‹Nameless› cappadocius, I do like the exploding dice idea.
30/09/2008 21:05:59 ‹Erik Mona› A lot of people like them, a lot of people hate them.
30/09/2008 21:06:01 ‹James Jacobs› S1 I'd probably set in Nex or Geb. S2 I'd probably set in Cheliax? S4 I'd set in Irrisen.
30/09/2008 21:06:02 ‹yoda8myhead› James said before that it didn't fit with Golarion as the world developed or something liek that
30/09/2008 21:06:03 ‹Erik Mona› They're there if you want them.
30/09/2008 21:06:03 ‹kvantum› it's not like a dragon's graveyard hasn't been done before.
30/09/2008 21:06:07 ‹Samwise› actually, im with cappadocious, as i get older i want more guns in my fantasy
30/09/2008 21:06:15 ‹cappadocius› Really, S2 in Cheliax?
30/09/2008 21:06:22 ‹Lilith› I think my favorite part of Golarion is that is I don't like any one thing, it's easy to adjust or ignore.
30/09/2008 21:06:27 ‹Russ› I would have skipped cartridges if it were up to mme.
30/09/2008 21:06:27 ‹Lilith› if I.
30/09/2008 21:06:29 ‹Lilith› bad engrish
30/09/2008 21:06:29 ‹cappadocius› I'd love to hear your thinking on that, Mr. Jacobs.
30/09/2008 21:06:32 ‹Erik Mona› Well, I trust James to be able to deal with the issue as appropriate.
30/09/2008 21:06:33 ‹James Jacobs› Erik is right. The best way to handle things that don't end up working is to de-empahsize them.
30/09/2008 21:06:45 * cappadocius can't really argue with 1 and 4, since they seem to be quite good suggestions.
30/09/2008 21:06:50 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Lilith> You too?? :sad:
30/09/2008 21:06:54 ‹jmberaldo› "S3, Expedition to the Barrier Peaks"? Did I miss something?
30/09/2008 21:06:57 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm... Actually I'd probably set S2 in Andoran. There's volcanos there and not really in Cheliax.
30/09/2008 21:07:05 ‹Erik Mona› We can flat out ignore Dragonfall forever if that's the way we want to go. But saying "that doesn't exist" is just lame and unnecessary tidying up.
30/09/2008 21:07:07 ‹Blazej› I can't really think of anything I really dislike.
30/09/2008 21:07:42 * cappadocius tugs thoughtfully on his goatee.
30/09/2008 21:07:47 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, you wouldn't ever introduce a new death ritual for dragons to supercede it and contradict it though, would you?
30/09/2008 21:07:53 ‹Russ› I like the dragon mythology a fair bit.
30/09/2008 21:07:55 ‹Eyebite› Ah, so then there's absolutely no need for a C and G stamp :D
30/09/2008 21:07:57 * jmberaldo quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 21:08:03 ‹kvantum› I just think the damage on the guns needs to be upped. the price is nice and high, keeping them out of the hands of 1st level PCs
30/09/2008 21:08:05 ‹Charles Evans› Molthune has volcanic activity too, I believe.
30/09/2008 21:08:08 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Still no news on the Goroth Lodge in the Verduran Wood I take it? :sad:
30/09/2008 21:08:08 ‹yoda8myhead› Eyebite, and it can ALL go in the wiki
30/09/2008 21:08:19 ‹Eyebite› yup
30/09/2008 21:08:32 ‹yoda8myhead› :dance2:
30/09/2008 21:08:52 ‹Lilith› Greenis Grunticus, Hm? I like a touch of sci-fi in my fantasy. I'm okay with guns, as long as there's not too many of them.
30/09/2008 21:08:59 ‹James Jacobs› Dragonfall was probably the module that had the most trouble fitting into the world. It tried to be too big and do too much. It's a perfect case of de-emphasization though. Rather than say "ALL DRAGONS go to this graveyard" it's better to say that "Some dragons go there." Plus... we did the adventure before we really had a chance to figure out how our dragons looked and acted.
30/09/2008 21:09:02 ‹yoda8myhead› I might actually have to trim back on my obsessive wikiing, though, cause my coworkers are getting annoyed that I am on the computer all day
30/09/2008 21:09:11 ‹Charles Evans› How much will the upgrade to PFRPG allow adjustment of some of the finer details of the setting?
30/09/2008 21:09:40 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> I trust James Jacobs to make the best Dragonfall-related decisions.
30/09/2008 21:09:45 ‹Erik Mona› He is a smart guy.
30/09/2008 21:09:46 ‹James Jacobs› Yay!
30/09/2008 21:09:51 ‹Blazej› Fool!
30/09/2008 21:09:58 ‹yoda8myhead› I agree with that statement
30/09/2008 21:10:22 ‹yoda8myhead› and will shout it from the rooftops when I get catmen in Golarion
30/09/2008 21:10:29 ‹Nameless› I wish my co-workers said nice things about me like that.
30/09/2008 21:10:32 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> Please rephrase question.
30/09/2008 21:10:57 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, you have to share or something?
30/09/2008 21:11:32 * Fatespinner @ Home joins Main
30/09/2008 21:11:38 ‹James Jacobs› kvantum> Go ahead and upgrade the gun damage if you want; in designing the guns, I kind of tried to skew them a litlte on the underpowered side to keep them from becoming the OBVIOUS weapon of choice. They're not supposed to be a big part of Golarion, after all, so they shouldn't be THAT overpowering.
30/09/2008 21:11:40 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, no but when they are all working hard I am typing away and it is starting to try their patience. It's not really fair that they do all the literal heavy lifting
30/09/2008 21:11:42 ‹Pygon› hi Fate
30/09/2008 21:11:43 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Fate
30/09/2008 21:11:43 ‹Blazej› Hello Fatespinner.
30/09/2008 21:11:45 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hey Fatespinner
30/09/2008 21:11:51 ‹Fatespinner @ Home› Yo peeps.
30/09/2008 21:12:01 ‹Charles Evans› The way some of the spells work for a start, will be different from how they did in the setting under 3,5 rules.
30/09/2008 21:12:07 ‹yoda8myhead› Hey Fate. You missed the big spoilers!
30/09/2008 21:12:09 ‹cappadocius› Yoda, if you get Catmen, I'm demanding PC-race Octopodes.
30/09/2008 21:12:09 ‹Daigle› Holy shit! Fatey at night!?
30/09/2008 21:12:12 ‹Samwise› ping
30/09/2008 21:12:13 ‹Nameless› Hey, Fatespinner!
30/09/2008 21:12:15 ‹Lilith› Fatey! :glomp:
30/09/2008 21:12:18 * Brian Cortijo joins Main
30/09/2008 21:12:27 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, ah. So it's just that they want to you to work when at work.
30/09/2008 21:12:28 ‹yoda8myhead› Brian!
30/09/2008 21:12:30 ‹Daigle› Don't you have a videogame to play or something? Or eyeliner to apply?
30/09/2008 21:12:31 ‹Russ› mmm, octopins
30/09/2008 21:12:31 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hi Brian Cortijo
30/09/2008 21:12:35 ‹Fatespinner @ Home› Yeah, every once in awhile I manage to pry myself away from the video game du jour.
30/09/2008 21:12:36 ‹Charles Evans› Will there have been some evebnt occuring in the setting's history to explain this, or slightly parallel versions of the setting?
30/09/2008 21:12:37 ‹Daigle› Howdy Brian
30/09/2008 21:12:38 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Brian
30/09/2008 21:12:38 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, yeah. Weird notion
30/09/2008 21:12:40 ‹Brian Cortijo› *ducks*
30/09/2008 21:12:47 ‹Lilith› Brian! :glomp:
30/09/2008 21:12:49 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> Probably not, no.
30/09/2008 21:12:54 * robert_hawk quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 21:12:57 ‹cappadocius› jmberaldo, you might have missed something. What about S3 confused you?
30/09/2008 21:13:03 * Russ works through Dragotha's treasure, adding and changing bits
30/09/2008 21:13:05 ‹Erik Mona› There will be no "Hiccup of Troubles," or anything like that.
30/09/2008 21:13:05 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The thing with spells, though, is that we're trying to retain the flavor. The mechanics of how something works may change, but in theory, the FLAVOR of the spell should be unchanged, or mostly unchanged, from the viewpoint of in-game NPCs.
30/09/2008 21:13:33 ‹Charles Evans› Sddenly what you can get wth a wish is different because of the caps inserted on it.
30/09/2008 21:13:35 ‹Lilith› Hiccup of Troubles. :lol:
30/09/2008 21:13:35 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; we'll just cruise on into the new rules and not really make any real mention of the change at all.
30/09/2008 21:13:39 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ or EM> Any word on when you're going to tackle Golarion's moons??
30/09/2008 21:13:43 ‹Ross› I might as well take this opportunity to plug the idea of taking Spontaneous Cure/Inflict away from clerics in PFRPG.
30/09/2008 21:13:48 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Keep in mind that the beta's still months away from being done.
30/09/2008 21:13:49 ‹cappadocius› Wait, moonS?
30/09/2008 21:13:57 ‹Blazej› Ultimate Pathfinder...
30/09/2008 21:13:58 ‹Charles Evans› Unless you say that previously casters were getting away with the 'risk of being twisted' version.
30/09/2008 21:13:58 ‹Erik Mona› I do like the idea of a parallel Golarion in which Paizo was forced to go with the GSL and convert the core concepts of the world into 4e archtypes.
30/09/2008 21:14:01 ‹Lilith› cappadocius, there are two.
30/09/2008 21:14:02 ‹Erik Mona› That would be funny.
30/09/2008 21:14:06 ‹Pygon› Ross - :ohnoes:
30/09/2008 21:14:07 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, :rofl:
30/09/2008 21:14:08 ‹James Jacobs› There's only one moon.
30/09/2008 21:14:15 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Shit.. Moon
30/09/2008 21:14:23 ‹Russ› Erik - Earth-Ew?
30/09/2008 21:14:24 ‹Lilith› Oh right. But there are the red and green planets. :D
30/09/2008 21:14:26 ‹Ross› Pygon, what? I want to replace it with a domain list.
30/09/2008 21:14:27 ‹James Jacobs› We talk a little bit about it in PF 14, actaully.
30/09/2008 21:14:27 ‹Samwise› ack
30/09/2008 21:14:30 ‹Erik Mona› Every inhabitant of the world could live in constant fear of being seized by extra-dimensional arcanists and destroyed forever.
30/09/2008 21:14:39 * radec joins Main
30/09/2008 21:14:43 ‹Charles Evans› :lol:
30/09/2008 21:14:48 ‹Samwise› everyone is a minion!
30/09/2008 21:14:57 ‹Daigle› Howdy radec
30/09/2008 21:14:58 ‹Brian Cortijo› <test>
30/09/2008 21:15:00 ‹Fatespinner @ Home› Wow, radec, I haven't seen you in forever!
30/09/2008 21:15:01 ‹Nameless› Erik Mona, that would be interesting. Also, everyone would move diagonally all the time to save on travel time!
30/09/2008 21:15:02 ‹Ross› Erik Mona, not extra-dimensional. Just, umm, coastal.
30/09/2008 21:15:07 ‹yoda8myhead› Brian Cortijo, test recieved
30/09/2008 21:15:12 ‹Pygon› Name - LOL
30/09/2008 21:15:13 ‹kvantum› Sorcerers of the Sound?
30/09/2008 21:15:13 ‹Brian Cortijo› Okay, good.
30/09/2008 21:15:26 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Damn let me rephrase that then... Castrovel and Akiton?? The other planets?
30/09/2008 21:15:28 ‹Erik Mona› No player characters can craft anything!
30/09/2008 21:15:34 ‹radec› Hey Fate yeah been away
30/09/2008 21:15:38 ‹Russ› WE DEMAND THE RED PLANET!
30/09/2008 21:15:47 ‹Charles Evans› 4E Golarion is obviously one in which the return of Karzoug was not prevented.
30/09/2008 21:15:49 ‹James Jacobs› Again; Pathfinder 14 will have an 8 page article about the solar system.
30/09/2008 21:15:54 ‹Russ› And I hope whoever des Castrovel reads the appropriate Heinlein books fiirst :)
30/09/2008 21:15:54 * robert_hawk(ubuntu) joins Main
30/09/2008 21:15:55 ‹Eyebite› Aucturn....more info. on that would be cool
30/09/2008 21:15:58 ‹Erik Mona› PF 14 has lots of that stuff.
30/09/2008 21:16:05 ‹kvantum› and I want the Green Planet, dang it. Psionics, psionics, psionics!
30/09/2008 21:16:10 ‹Charles Evans› Karzoug, the transmuter, Runelord of Greed.
30/09/2008 21:16:10 ‹Erik Mona› Heinlein is not the primary source for Castrovel.
30/09/2008 21:16:10 ‹James Jacobs› Including a map of the solar system.
30/09/2008 21:16:12 ‹yoda8myhead› like a swarm of customs agents around it
30/09/2008 21:16:13 ‹cappadocius› Man, there's so many parts of Golarion I'd love to get my hands on.
30/09/2008 21:16:23 * Russ is currently going through a bunch of H. Beam Piper.
30/09/2008 21:16:25 ‹Charles Evans› With his treacherous contacts in Leng...
30/09/2008 21:16:32 ‹Nameless› James Jacobs, that is so cool
30/09/2008 21:16:38 ‹Samwise› H. Beam Piper rules!
30/09/2008 21:16:44 ‹Russ› Alas, poor Piper. Went out the traditional way for authors.
30/09/2008 21:16:46 ‹Greenis Grunticus› My God.. If there is a 4e Golarion... I will go to the Himalayas for some serious meditation
30/09/2008 21:16:59 ‹cappadocius› I should hope the primary inspirations for Castrovel are Burroughs and Asimov.
30/09/2008 21:17:00 ‹Erik Mona› Primary Castrovel Sources: Otis Adelbert Kline's "Peril" books, ERB's Carson of Venus books, Ralph Milne Farley's "Radio-Man" stories.
30/09/2008 21:17:01 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles Evans, Leng actually purchased Karzoug so now it must always be noted as "Karzoug, a subsidiary of Leng"
30/09/2008 21:17:04 ‹Erik Mona› With formians!
30/09/2008 21:17:14 ‹cappadocius› And for Akiton Burroughs and Lewis.
30/09/2008 21:17:19 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, Erik Mona, what lives on that big shiny thing Golarion is spinning around? It is so big I expect it would need a huge book to map out.
30/09/2008 21:17:26 ‹Samwise› Carson of Venus was cool
30/09/2008 21:17:28 ‹Ross› Charles Evans, good point. 4e Golarion would be overrun with :cthulhu:
30/09/2008 21:17:35 ‹Brian Cortijo› The big shiny thing is a gold ENnie award.
30/09/2008 21:17:35 ‹Erik Mona› Akiton: Burroughs and Brackett, largely.
30/09/2008 21:17:38 ‹Samwise› although typical ERB ;)
30/09/2008 21:17:42 ‹Greenis Grunticus› EM> How many of those will be available for Plantet Stories??
30/09/2008 21:17:48 ‹Russ› Aw. I'd recommend using Between Planets too :) And Heinlein's short were the person gets lost on Venus.
30/09/2008 21:17:50 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Usual aboleth alignment on Golarion is what?
30/09/2008 21:17:52 ‹Erik Mona› Green> Lots.
30/09/2008 21:17:57 ‹cappadocius› Brackett? Hm. I've never read her Mars stuff.
30/09/2008 21:17:59 ‹Greenis Grunticus› shit.. Planet Stories... Awesome!
30/09/2008 21:18:00 ‹Daigle› I want a planet inspired by WS Burroughs instead of ER Burroughs ;)
30/09/2008 21:18:13 ‹James Jacobs› I'll prolly sneak in a fair amount of Clark Ashton Smith's mars stuff into Akiton when the time comes, too.
30/09/2008 21:18:13 ‹Erik Mona› Crappadocius: Fortunately, Paizo is printing a bunch of it now.
30/09/2008 21:18:15 * Samwise snickers
30/09/2008 21:18:22 ‹Erik Mona› http://www.paizo.com/planetstories
30/09/2008 21:18:27 * radec love john carter of mars
30/09/2008 21:18:28 ‹cappadocius› Erik Mona, are there inspirations for Aballon and the moons of Liavara?
30/09/2008 21:18:34 ‹Russ› Daigle - I've read a faux-Tarzan as written by WSB. It is a HOOT.
30/09/2008 21:18:42 ‹Erik Mona› I have no idea what ABallon and Liavara are.
30/09/2008 21:18:47 ‹David› i wonder if its possible to buy a planet...
30/09/2008 21:18:48 ‹Daigle› Russ, I can imagine!
30/09/2008 21:18:55 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> All the Monster Manual alignments stand for Golarion. Aboleths are thus Lawful Evil.
30/09/2008 21:18:57 ‹Daigle› What was it? I'm not familiar.
30/09/2008 21:18:57 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> The Jungle-Rot Kid, by Philip Jose Farmer.
30/09/2008 21:18:59 ‹Blazej› How many pages does the solar system get in PF 14?
30/09/2008 21:19:01 ‹cappadocius› Mercury and Saturn.
30/09/2008 21:19:08 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Crap I have a lot of reading to do
21:19:14 ‹James Jacobs› The only alignment I'm aware of having changed is the neothelid. They're now chaotic evil, not lawful evil.
30/09/2008 21:19:25 ‹Daigle› I'd love to see a mugwump in an adventure.
30/09/2008 21:19:25 ‹Erik Mona› Ah. Ok. Not much has been done with them.
30/09/2008 21:19:26 ‹Charles Evans› JJ: Hmm.
30/09/2008 21:19:43 ‹Erik Mona› I believe our "Mercury" is of the "Twilight band" variety common in the fiction of the pulp era.
30/09/2008 21:19:45 ‹Russ› Erik - thanks, I was just going through google for that :)
30/09/2008 21:19:46 ‹Samwise› neothelids are OGL?
30/09/2008 21:19:59 ‹Erik Mona› Birthplace of Eric John Stark, home of the winged women of the Light Country, etc.
30/09/2008 21:20:00 ‹cappadocius› yeah, weird, isn't t?
30/09/2008 21:20:05 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Is smacking meteroites into the middle of a continent you don't like, causing untold damage and destruction a very lawful Evil thing to do though?
30/09/2008 21:20:08 ‹kvantum› Samwise>yeah, WotC goofed on adding the XPH content to the SRD
30/09/2008 21:20:14 ‹Samwise› thats extremely weird
30/09/2008 21:20:16 ‹Erik Mona› But keep in mind I didn't write the article. James Sutter did, and he only follows my direction 79% of the time.
30/09/2008 21:20:17 ‹yoda8myhead› Maybe I missed the answer before, but when can we expect Q209 previews to start? It's been about 3 months since the last announcement
30/09/2008 21:20:21 ‹Charles Evans› It seems more chaotic to me.
30/09/2008 21:20:25 ‹Greenis Grunticus› :lol:@Charles Evabs
30/09/2008 21:20:25 ‹cappadocius› Erik: The entirety of Aballon's write-up is "Aballon's searing surface is dotted with stranged ruins that seem almost mechanized in nature."
30/09/2008 21:20:28 ‹James Jacobs› Again; Pathfinder 14 has a LOT of stuff about the solar system. And it's been months since I saw that stuff. It's almost here though... have patience!
30/09/2008 21:20:31 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Er.. Evans
30/09/2008 21:20:36 ‹cappadocius› without the extra d on strange.
30/09/2008 21:20:42 ‹Charles Evans› Unless it was an accident that it caused more damage than the aboleths planned?
30/09/2008 21:20:42 ‹Pygon› James - how is Jason holding up? He looks busy on the boards, coming up with alternate rage system, etc.
30/09/2008 21:20:46 ‹James Jacobs› neothelids are indeed OGL. They got in with all the psionic monsters.
30/09/2008 21:20:51 ‹Erik Mona› Daigle> Would they suck translucent fluid through alabaster straws?
30/09/2008 21:20:55 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yay! :D
30/09/2008 21:21:01 ‹Daigle› Erik, of course!
30/09/2008 21:21:09 ‹James Jacobs› In Golarion, Neothelids are kinda filling the role of Lumley's cthonians; big hyper-intelligent world ending worms.
30/09/2008 21:21:11 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Well JJ.. If we can somehow get Customs to er... Get their arses in gear...
30/09/2008 21:21:16 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> They will go live the last week in October.
30/09/2008 21:21:37 ‹Daigle› Complete wit secreting a drug through their...um....you know.
30/09/2008 21:21:43 ‹cappadocius› Erik Mona, looks like your tidally locked "twilight" planet is one just past Akiton.
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30/09/2008 21:21:58 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It is indeed lawful evil, especially since they controlled every aspect of the disaster. They didn't think of it as any more destructive than someone cleaning their house thought of how destructive they were being to the dust mites.
30/09/2008 21:22:02 ‹Erik Mona› Daigle> As you know, mugwumps have no livers, and sustain themselves exclusively on sweets.
30/09/2008 21:22:19 ‹Blazej› Is there any awesome art in the solar system article?
30/09/2008 21:22:25 ‹James Jacobs› Chaotic would have been random destruction all over the world. That wasn't what the aboleths did at all.
30/09/2008 21:22:30 ‹Daigle› Your knowledge of Burroughs makes me happy.
30/09/2008 21:22:33 ‹cappadocius› Oh sweet jesus, I would marry the person of your choice Erik Mona if you put Mugwumps, PROPER Mugwumps, into Golarion.
30/09/2008 21:22:48 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ or EM> Is there going to be like civilizations with Spelljammer tech or starships in the solar system??
30/09/2008 21:22:52 * cappadocius has had Mugwumps in his homebrew setting for YEARS.
30/09/2008 21:22:54 ‹James Jacobs› And also: You can more or less justify any act for any alignment anyway, which is why "Will this alignment do this" arguments are so tiresome.
30/09/2008 21:22:55 ‹radec› any chance of seeing dire penguins in Golarion?
30/09/2008 21:23:03 ‹Daigle› Awesome, cappa
30/09/2008 21:23:03 ‹Erik Mona› I'm sure that we can't get the rights to do something like that, but I've been talking about a burroughs RPG since the Polyhedron days.
30/09/2008 21:23:12 ‹David› looks like i can't buy a planet :(
30/09/2008 21:23:17 ‹Daigle› Seriously!?
30/09/2008 21:23:20 ‹Erik Mona› Green> No starships.
30/09/2008 21:23:29 ‹Charles Evans› radec: Dohwah?
30/09/2008 21:23:37 ‹Daigle› I'd start shooting smack to see something like that!
30/09/2008 21:23:37 ‹Erik Mona› Perhaps "aether ships" or somesuch.
30/09/2008 21:23:46 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Nice!
30/09/2008 21:23:47 ‹Erik Mona› Which would be more like submarines than sailboats.
30/09/2008 21:23:50 ‹Samwise› the rights for what? Barsoom?
30/09/2008 21:23:56 ‹Erik Mona› Mugwumps.
30/09/2008 21:23:58 ‹Greenis Grunticus› That would be fantastic
30/09/2008 21:23:59 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Yes. There is awesome art in the solar system article. One awesome map. One shot of a portal to Akiton with a few iconics looking at a creepy alien. One awesome shot of a scarry alien from a gas giant. One awesome shot of a mostly naked Castrovelian hottie on a six-legged dinosaur.
30/09/2008 21:24:08 ‹Samwise› ahhh
30/09/2008 21:24:12 ‹Charles Evans› Erik: The Numeria entry mentions a crashed 'starship'. :-?
30/09/2008 21:24:20 ‹Erik Mona› That is exo-solar.
30/09/2008 21:24:21 ‹Greenis Grunticus› er.. the aetherships not necessarily the mugwumps :razz:
30/09/2008 21:24:22 ‹radec› dire penguins
30/09/2008 21:24:23 ‹James Jacobs› Plus other art elsewhere in the issue: Seoni and Valeros versus a moon mosnter, and someone being eaten by a giant plant on Castrovel.
30/09/2008 21:24:23 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, awesome?
30/09/2008 21:24:24 ‹Samwise› because a bunch of ERB's earliest books have hit public domain
30/09/2008 21:24:34 ‹Erik Mona› Sam> I know, but it's still murky.
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30/09/2008 21:24:41 ‹Blazej› Great!
30/09/2008 21:24:44 ‹Daigle› The good doctor Benway would certainly approve.
30/09/2008 21:25:02 ‹cappadocius› Even if the first Tarzan book were public domain, you couldn't really use Tarzan, because the last book is still in copyright.
30/09/2008 21:25:08 ‹Samwise› heh, you mean just referring to stuff in the first 5 books?
30/09/2008 21:25:14 ‹Russ› Hmm. Is that much of ERB out of the public domain?
30/09/2008 21:25:20 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It does. That starship is something along the lines of a star destroyer or Battlestar Galactica. It's also from VERY FAR AWAY. Far beyond the rim of the Golarion solar system.
30/09/2008 21:25:25 ‹Russ› Cappa - well, you could, actually, as long as you didn;'t use what was in the last book
30/09/2008 21:25:36 ‹cappadocius› Tarzan is in that last book.
30/09/2008 21:25:43 ‹Samwise› Russ>the real problem is some copyrights in commonwealth countries
30/09/2008 21:25:48 ‹yoda8myhead› :-\" "I'm being eaten by a moonflower, moonflower, moonflower."
30/09/2008 21:25:52 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> Ahem.. Any module going to cover that starship crash site by any chance??
30/09/2008 21:25:53 ‹Russ› Yeah, but copyright doesn't work like that - it doesn't extend because it was in a later book.
30/09/2008 21:25:57 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: it seems to have been there for some time; any chance it got caght up in the Earthfall?
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30/09/2008 21:26:07 ‹Charles Evans› caught up?
30/09/2008 21:26:08 ‹cappadocius› Greenis: S3, Expedition to the Barrier Peaks!
30/09/2008 21:26:09 ‹James Jacobs› Some day, yeah. There'll be some sort of adventure set there. Maybe even an adventure path!
30/09/2008 21:26:18 ‹Greenis Grunticus› :D
30/09/2008 21:26:30 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Awesome!
30/09/2008 21:26:31 ‹cappadocius› Even though, for some reason, there are no mountains in Numeria.
30/09/2008 21:26:41 ‹cappadocius› Who dropped the ball on that one?
30/09/2008 21:26:46 ‹cappadocius› ;)
30/09/2008 21:26:50 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Maybe. My guess is that it crashed some time after Earthfall, though. But that could be cool if it got knocked out of the sky or even GRABBED by the same forces that were grabbing comets and asteroids and space junk,.
30/09/2008 21:26:55 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, You must!
30/09/2008 21:26:56 ‹Erik Mona› S.S. America off Jersey Coast. "Ladies and gentleman there's no cause for alarm. We have a minor problem in the boiler room but everything is now under..." (Sound effects of a nuclear blast). Explosion splits the boat. Dr. Benway, ship's doctor, drunkenly added two inches to a four-inch incision with one stroke of his scalpel.
30/09/2008 21:26:58 ‹Charles Evans› The Barrier Wall is in Garun, not Avistan.....:)
30/09/2008 21:27:12 ‹Russ› Maybe they got it practicing for Earthfall :)
30/09/2008 21:27:23 ‹Erik Mona› "Perhaps the appendix is already out doctor" the nurse said peering dubiously over his shoulder. "I saw a little scar." "The appendix already out !?" the doctor shouted. "I'm taking the appendix out! What do you think I'm doing here?" "Perhaps the appendix is on the left side doctor," said the nurse. "That happens sometimes you know."
30/09/2008 21:27:26 ‹Russ› Or maybe the civ. that invented the technique even before the aboleths did it
30/09/2008 21:27:35 ‹Erik Mona› "Stop breathing down my neck I'm coming to that! Don't you think I know where an appendix is? I studied appendectomy in 1904 at Harvard." He threw back his elbows in a movement of exasperation.. He lifts the abdominal wall and searches along the incision dropping ashes from his cigarette. "And get me another scalpel! This one has no edge to it."
30/09/2008 21:27:41 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> No ball dropped at all. Look at the map of Varisia and compare it to the Varisia on the big map. There's a LOT of detail left off. There's no MAJOR mountain range there... but that doesn't mean no mountains at all in NUmeria. Just that, if there are, they're tiny.
30/09/2008 21:27:43 * Daigle giggles uncontrollably.
30/09/2008 21:27:46 ‹Erik Mona› He thrusts a red fist at her. The doctor reels back and flattens against the wall from the force of the explosion with the bloody scalpel clutched in one hand. The patient slides off the operating table spilling intestines across the floor. Dr. Benway sweeps instruments, cocaine, and morphine into his satchel.
30/09/2008 21:27:50 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Sooo... Umm.. Can you give us a brief lowdown on the Pathfinder APs up to and including AP6? :)
30/09/2008 21:27:56 ‹Erik Mona› "Sew her up!" he said, peeling off his gloves. " I can't be expected to work under such conditions."
30/09/2008 21:28:00 ‹Erik Mona› Heh. Love that.
30/09/2008 21:28:01 ‹cappadocius› You win this time, Jacobs!
30/09/2008 21:28:04 ‹Brian Cortijo› @James Jacobs> That'll teach me to check my email before bed...:-"
30/09/2008 21:28:17 ‹Daigle› You rocketh fine sir.
30/09/2008 21:28:24 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> I could. But I won't. :)
30/09/2008 21:28:31 ‹Pygon› good god.
30/09/2008 21:28:34 ‹James Jacobs› Brian> HA!
30/09/2008 21:28:40 ‹Greenis Grunticus› DAMNIT! I tried peoples
30/09/2008 21:28:44 ‹James Jacobs› I look forward to your email response, Brian! :)
30/09/2008 21:28:48 ‹Nameless› Well, I'm out guys, have a good night!
30/09/2008 21:29:00 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Night Nameless
30/09/2008 21:29:04 ‹Brian Cortijo› Composing it now. Lotsa questions.
30/09/2008 21:29:05 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Nameless
30/09/2008 21:29:10 ‹Eyebite› Night Nameless
30/09/2008 21:29:17 ‹James Jacobs› Cool! Cause I have lots of answers.
30/09/2008 21:29:17 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Nameless!
30/09/2008 21:29:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› And I too must flee. Time for all good Ottawans to go to bed.
30/09/2008 21:29:37 ‹David› Nameless, night
30/09/2008 21:29:43 ‹Russ› ooh, James answers emails? :)
30/09/2008 21:29:45 ‹David› Rambling Scribe, night
30/09/2008 21:29:47 ‹Greenis Grunticus› G'night Scribe
30/09/2008 21:29:48 ‹Eyebite› Night Scribe
30/09/2008 21:29:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› Good Night All!
30/09/2008 21:29:53 ‹Pygon› bye Scribe, looking forward to your Indulgence!
30/09/2008 21:29:55 ‹Justin Sluder› cya Nameless and Rambling Scribe
30/09/2008 21:29:59 ‹Daigle› Dream well Scribbles!
30/09/2008 21:30:07 ‹Erik Mona› James, what can you tell us about Zogmugot, god of drowning, flotsam, and scavenging?
30/09/2008 21:30:14 ‹Daigle› Take your time on that Indulgence.
30/09/2008 21:30:19 ‹Daigle› ;)
30/09/2008 21:30:38 ‹Brian Cortijo› Russ> This one, he does.
30/09/2008 21:30:52 ‹Greenis Grunticus› 15 or is ti 14 more days until RC Daigle?? :razz:
30/09/2008 21:30:56 ‹Brian Cortijo› Come to think of it, I've never sent James an email he didn't respond to within a week, even back in the Dungeon days...
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30/09/2008 21:31:19 ‹James Jacobs› James does indeed answer emails. Sometimes almost immediately.
30/09/2008 21:31:25 ‹Erik Mona› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...RWQsZmw
30/09/2008 21:31:26 ‹Daigle› Dunno greeny, but Nick said that if Craig doesn't deliver soon, mine gets bumped ahead of his. ;)
30/09/2008 21:31:31 ‹Charles Evans› Is Paizo's bank secure by the way in this current crisis?
30/09/2008 21:31:41 ‹Erik Mona› Hope so!
30/09/2008 21:31:46 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Depending on the nature of the email I reckon :razz:
30/09/2008 21:31:48 ‹Charles Evans› And if the stockmarket drops low enough, will Lisa be able to buy Hasbro?
30/09/2008 21:32:04 ‹Justin Sluder› Charles Evans, :lol:
30/09/2008 21:32:09 ‹James Jacobs› Erik> He's a VERY IMPORTANT goblin deity, Zogmugot. He's the one that chooses if a goblin who falls into the sea drowns or washes back up on shore. ALSO: If you worship him JUST RIGHT, he'll make some Grade A trash wash up on your beach.
30/09/2008 21:32:24 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hmmm... Linkie not working
30/09/2008 21:32:29 ‹robert_hawk(ubuntu)› grade a trash? where do I sign up?
30/09/2008 21:32:30 ‹Charles Evans› Justin: The thought just occured to me, with Hasbro being a opublicly traded company and all that....:)
30/09/2008 21:32:39 ‹yoda8myhead› this is prime wiki material here! Keep it comin' James!
21:32:58 ‹Daigle› When I was 19 a group of friends and I hopped into a car and went to find Burrough in Kansas on a whim.
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30/09/2008 21:33:15 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Timitius!
30/09/2008 21:33:16 ‹Daigle› Howdy Tim!
30/09/2008 21:33:17 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hey Tim
30/09/2008 21:33:21 ‹cappadocius› Did you find him, Daigle?
30/09/2008 21:33:22 ‹Blazej› Yo Tim.
30/09/2008 21:33:28 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Timitius.
30/09/2008 21:33:28 ‹Timitius› Howdy all!
30/09/2008 21:33:43 ‹Russ› Isn't that a Quantum Leap episode?
30/09/2008 21:33:53 ‹David› Timitius, hi!
30/09/2008 21:34:00 ‹Daigle› No. Everyone we asked in Lawrence either didn't know what we were talking about or 'acted' like they didn't. You know, everyone is an agent after all.
30/09/2008 21:34:22 ‹Ross› http://xkcd.com/483/
30/09/2008 21:34:34 ‹James Jacobs› It is said that Zogmugot looks out of every piece of beach glass with his baelful colorful eyes, and can see what those who come down to the beach are up to and if he isn't happy, he'll trick them out into the riptide by having a nice bit of something shiny floating on the waves lure you out.
30/09/2008 21:34:36 ‹Daigle› He didn't retire to the middle of nowhere for no good reason.
30/09/2008 21:34:41 ‹Lilith› TIMMEH! Greetings my fellow dictator. :)
30/09/2008 21:34:45 * Charles Evans wonders how old this actually makes Daigle?
30/09/2008 21:34:58 ‹Daigle› Chuck, I'm just past 32
30/09/2008 21:35:00 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, Lawrence isn't the middle of nowhere! I grew up not far from there
30/09/2008 21:35:09 ‹cappadocius› Zogmugot sounds awesome.
30/09/2008 21:35:14 ‹cappadocius› Not as awesome as Rovagug, though.
30/09/2008 21:35:18 ‹Timitius› Lilith, hey there! :hugs:
30/09/2008 21:35:28 ‹Daigle› Lawrence is actually a really nice town....for being in Kansas.
30/09/2008 21:35:29 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, it's Kansas. The whole state is the middle of nowhere.
30/09/2008 21:35:57 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: Zogmugot, however, was wise enough to avoid being ganged up upon and imprisoned by the other deities.
30/09/2008 21:36:07 ‹Erik Mona› My favorite, favorite bit of fanmail ever came from someone who claimed to be a "big fan" of mine and who also claimed to have been Burroughs's house boy during some of the last years of his life.
30/09/2008 21:36:11 ‹Erik Mona› That guy is my hero.
30/09/2008 21:36:25 ‹Erik Mona› He was from Lawrence.
30/09/2008 21:36:37 ‹cappadocius› They sucker-punched him, Charles!
30/09/2008 21:36:49 ‹cappadocius› They didn't have the guts to face Rovy face to toothy maw!
30/09/2008 21:37:23 ‹Timitius› Whoa, Mona's here! Does that mean your computer is recovered?
30/09/2008 21:37:33 ‹Russ› His computer sleeps with the fishes
30/09/2008 21:37:36 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: And what do you think Iomedae (or is it saranrae?) is doing on the cover of a forthcoming Pathfinder Chronicles?
30/09/2008 21:37:42 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, Erik Mona, Do you have a favorite dieties/other powerful beings from the other dieties/demon lords/empyrial lords/archdevils/archdaemons lists?
30/09/2008 21:37:51 ‹Daigle› That's awesome, Erik.
30/09/2008 21:38:18 ‹Ross› Charles Evans, distracting him while the other Gods built a big cage.
30/09/2008 21:38:22 ‹cappadocius› Sucker punching, Charles.
30/09/2008 21:38:23 ‹Charles Evans› I think the gods book is a Chronicles line, anyway.
30/09/2008 21:38:31 ‹Daigle› From Dead City Radio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...YrVzU-Y
30/09/2008 21:38:41 ‹Eyebite› Erik> The "M" series of modules - any news for us? If you were writing such a mod, what country would you set it in?
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30/09/2008 21:38:47 ‹Russ› Breakfast of the Gods. If you remembers 80s (and earlier) cereal ads, you MUST read this webcomic. http://www.webcomicsnation.com...r=10960
30/09/2008 21:38:54 ‹Daigle› Ollibolli!
30/09/2008 21:38:55 ‹cappadocius› M series?
30/09/2008 21:39:02 * Fatespinner @ Home inconspicuously ducks out the back.
30/09/2008 21:39:10 ‹James Jacobs› Since a little more than half of the deities are from my 25 year old homebrew... those ones all have a pretty special place in my heart. I'm particularly fond of Desna, Sarenrae, Urgathoa, Rovagug, Norgorber, and Zon-Kuthon, though.
30/09/2008 21:39:12 ‹Charles Evans› Good morning Ollibolli.
30/09/2008 21:39:17 ‹cappadocius› Charles, it's Sarenrae, by the way. The treacherous cow.
30/09/2008 21:39:19 ‹Erik Mona› Tim> My computer is back. My MP3s are still gone.
30/09/2008 21:39:26 ‹Erik Mona› And I haven't got Adobe CS up either.
30/09/2008 21:39:37 ‹Justin Sluder› Leaving Fate?
30/09/2008 21:39:41 ‹Erik Mona› Eyebite> It would be in Nex.
30/09/2008 21:39:49 ‹Erik Mona› The title of "M1" is "The Refuge of Nex".
30/09/2008 21:40:02 ‹cappadocius› What does the M stand for?
30/09/2008 21:40:03 ‹Erik Mona› I will not be working on it until January at the earliest.
30/09/2008 21:40:05 ‹James Jacobs› Mona
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30/09/2008 21:40:12 ‹James Jacobs› M = Mona
30/09/2008 21:40:14 ‹Eyebite› Nice!
30/09/2008 21:40:15 ‹cappadocius› That's not very descriptive!
30/09/2008 21:40:17 ‹Blazej› Mega Mona.
30/09/2008 21:40:17 ‹Erik Mona› I am partial to the gods I invented.
30/09/2008 21:40:21 ‹yoda8myhead› Zon-Kuthon is my favorite. god. evar.
30/09/2008 21:40:25 ‹Erik Mona› Which is to say Aroden and Iomedae.
30/09/2008 21:40:27 ‹cappadocius› Journey, Event, Urban, Wilderness... Mona.
30/09/2008 21:40:36 ‹Erik Mona› Capp> Yep.
30/09/2008 21:40:41 ‹Erik Mona› It's good to be the king. :)
30/09/2008 21:40:42 ‹yoda8myhead› (Except for the real one of course. Can't give credence to those 80's naysayers)
30/09/2008 21:40:45 ‹Blazej› Miraculous Mona
30/09/2008 21:40:46 ‹kvantum› Refuge of Nex? Ooooo. Methinks it's a higher level addy?
30/09/2008 21:40:47 ‹Charles Evans› Erik Mona: The refuge was part of Nex's private demiplane, yes, which nobody has come out of since Nex himseklf went in?
30/09/2008 21:40:57 ‹Russ› Oooh
30/09/2008 21:41:01 * Russ wants to help :)
30/09/2008 21:41:02 ‹Eyebite› Sounds awesome
30/09/2008 21:41:03 ‹Blazej› Mighty Mona.
30/09/2008 21:41:05 ‹Erik Mona› Right.
30/09/2008 21:41:10 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Aroden is very intriguing
30/09/2008 21:41:19 ‹Charles Evans› Erik: Is this an epic level module then?
30/09/2008 21:41:25 ‹Erik Mona› I have mapped out the entire adventure and even ran it at MACE a year and a half ago.
30/09/2008 21:41:32 ‹cappadocius› Yoda, Zon-Kuthon isn't too bad. He wasn't involved in the imprisonment of the Great Beast.
30/09/2008 21:41:34 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> Actually, no.
30/09/2008 21:41:39 ‹James Jacobs› Erik is allergic to epic level stat blocks. Faiths & Pantheons did that to him.
30/09/2008 21:41:42 ‹Erik Mona› It's a linked series of modules set in the same dungeon.
30/09/2008 21:41:44 ‹Blazej› 1st level!
30/09/2008 21:41:52 ‹Russ› Stats for gods must be SO boring.
30/09/2008 21:41:52 ‹Greenis Grunticus› :lol:
30/09/2008 21:41:53 ‹Erik Mona› It's 1st level, at the beginning.
30/09/2008 21:41:54 ‹Blazej› :p
30/09/2008 21:41:54 ‹cappadocius› Who ISN'T allergic to epic level stat blocks?
30/09/2008 21:41:58 ‹cappadocius› I get hives past 12th.
30/09/2008 21:42:00 ‹Erik Mona› Or maybe 3rd or something.
30/09/2008 21:42:03 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Actually, Zon-Kuthon was involved. He's one of the 3 we've confirmed as being involved, actaully.
30/09/2008 21:42:07 ‹Brian Cortijo› :-"
30/09/2008 21:42:09 ‹Blazej› :D
30/09/2008 21:42:25 ‹Ross› I love low-epic blocks (CR 23 or so). After that it's just absurd.
30/09/2008 21:42:33 ‹Erik Mona› Stat blocks for gods literally broke me for long statblocks.
30/09/2008 21:42:33 ‹kvantum› the stat blocks aren't THAT bad if you build them as actual character sheets, then just translate them to stat block format...
30/09/2008 21:42:39 ‹cappadocius› No, wasn't the pansy-ass half-brother of Shelyn involved? Zon-Kuthon is a new man-god after the Outer Dark got finished with him.
30/09/2008 21:42:40 ‹Erik Mona› I just hate doing them, and I resent the time that they take to do.
30/09/2008 21:42:45 ‹Blazej› I have hated diety stat blocks ever since I bought 3.0 Deities and Demigods.
30/09/2008 21:42:52 ‹kvantum› well, for gods they are pretty silly.
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30/09/2008 21:43:02 ‹James Jacobs› I actually kind of enjoy doing epic level stat blocks. Hate HATE deity stat blocks, though. They're pointless.
30/09/2008 21:43:03 ‹Erik Mona› It wouldn't bug me much doing it for Paizo, but at WotC you knew they were just going to rewrite it anyway, so the whole exercise was pointless.
30/09/2008 21:43:13 ‹Erik Mona› But it paid well, which was the whole reason I did that book in the first place.
30/09/2008 21:43:16 ‹Russ› Blazej - that book is waste of paper and shelf space.
30/09/2008 21:43:20 ‹Erik Mona› So I can't really complain too loudly.
30/09/2008 21:43:57 ‹James Jacobs› Erik> You got a drow hottie named after you out of the deal, so it wasn't a TOTAL loss, yeah?
30/09/2008 21:44:11 ‹Erik Mona› Indeed.
30/09/2008 21:44:36 ‹Timitius› ??
30/09/2008 21:44:38 ‹yoda8myhead› When will we start to see Guide to Absalom previews in the blog?
30/09/2008 21:44:39 ‹James Jacobs› But then, when she got illustrated, it was by Dennis Crabapple. So maybe that's more of a backfire after all.
30/09/2008 21:44:40 ‹Blazej› It would have been awesome if they did a 2 page diety description (like the SKR articles).
30/09/2008 21:44:41 ‹Erik Mona› I had a lot of fun on that book too, and I snuck some crazy shit into the Realms, but the stat blocks were torture. 60th level characters!
30/09/2008 21:44:53 ‹Blazej› So many dieties.
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30/09/2008 21:45:34 ‹Erik Mona› FR: Faiths & Pantheons.
30/09/2008 21:45:46 ‹James Jacobs› I already gave out a few spoilers, didn't I? Gremlins in PF19, for one...
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30/09/2008 21:45:56 ‹yoda8myhead› oh yeah
30/09/2008 21:46:01 ‹yoda8myhead› :-?
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30/09/2008 21:46:02 ‹Greenis Grunticus› That is nuts... No wonder you're burned out :razz:
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30/09/2008 21:46:31 ‹Daigle› I can't imagine the skill point distribution and the spell selection.
30/09/2008 21:46:33 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, Erik Mona, any Absalom spoilers?
30/09/2008 21:46:39 ‹cappadocius› I never found out if Gods and More Gods gives the names of all the Heralds.
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30/09/2008 21:46:43 ‹James Jacobs› I still remember the epic level Leshay I was gonna stat up for Dragon at one point. His intelligence was so high that he actually maxed out EVERY POSSIBLE SKILL and had about 300 points left.
30/09/2008 21:46:56 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, crabapples the guy with the heavily-lined, rotten looking artwork, right?
30/09/2008 21:47:04 ‹Blazej› Ha?
30/09/2008 21:47:07 ‹James Jacobs› No Absalom spoilers yet. Said book is still in pretty rough shape, and not in any position right now to have its kimono opened.
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30/09/2008 21:47:16 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I've made epic levels with the MetaCreator generator.. That helps out a helluva lot
30/09/2008 21:47:24 ‹Justin Sluder› :sad:
30/09/2008 21:47:34 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> I believe that we describe and name every herald for the core 20 deities in Gods & Magic. Not positive.
30/09/2008 21:47:42 ‹cappadocius› yay!
30/09/2008 21:47:47 ‹Samwise› ummmm
30/09/2008 21:47:55 ‹Samwise› how high an int does that require?
30/09/2008 21:47:55 ‹Daigle› Any chance we can get a tiny hint about AP 5 this far ahead?
30/09/2008 21:47:57 * cappadocius is really curious who the poor CR 15 sap is who has to live in the Tarrasque's shadow.
30/09/2008 21:48:01 ‹Samwise› max out every skill?
30/09/2008 21:48:02 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> His art is very watercolor like. lots of pastel.
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30/09/2008 21:48:24 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Wes and I plotted out much of AP5 this morning, actually. We're not ready to talk about it yet. Maybe in a month.
30/09/2008 21:48:32 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, is there a max? other than level +4?
30/09/2008 21:48:33 ‹Daigle› Right on.
30/09/2008 21:48:41 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> The tarrasque isn't a herald, of course. All heralds are CR 15.
30/09/2008 21:48:48 ‹cappadocius› Right.
30/09/2008 21:48:53 ‹cappadocius› That's what I said.
30/09/2008 21:48:58 ‹Justin Sluder› yoda8myhead, +3
30/09/2008 21:49:33 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yeah; for fey, it's 6+Int mod. If the creature's Int score is like 78, that's basically a lot of skill points.
30/09/2008 21:49:49 ‹cappadocius› Some poor sap of a Herald has to live with working with the Terrasque and such getting all the limelight.
30/09/2008 21:49:52 ‹Samwise› 78!!!
30/09/2008 21:49:54 ‹Samwise› ummmm
30/09/2008 21:49:58 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> I can't remember off the top of my head what we went with for Rovagug. He MIGHT be the only deity who doesn't have a herald.
30/09/2008 21:50:02 ‹yoda8myhead› Justin Sluder, that's what I meant
30/09/2008 21:50:04 ‹cappadocius› aw.
30/09/2008 21:50:04 ‹Blazej› Brilliant!
30/09/2008 21:50:07 ‹Samwise› yeah, that will max out everything :-P
30/09/2008 21:50:09 ‹kvantum› that's one hell of a Combat Expertise bonus...
30/09/2008 21:50:14 ‹James Jacobs› It is.
30/09/2008 21:50:17 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, That's so Chaotic!
30/09/2008 21:50:19 ‹cappadocius› Then Seebo shall declare himself Herald at Level 15.
30/09/2008 21:50:22 ‹James Jacobs› Said creature was CR 70 or thereabouts.
30/09/2008 21:50:24 ‹Timitius› He is so smart. SMRT!
30/09/2008 21:50:26 ‹Russ› Hmm. Why wouldn't weaker gods have weaker heralds?
30/09/2008 21:50:45 ‹Samwise› mmmmm CR 70 . . .
30/09/2008 21:50:45 ‹Greenis Grunticus› CR 70= Total Annihilation
30/09/2008 21:50:47 ‹kvantum› well, the demigods might have CR 12, maybe?
30/09/2008 21:50:50 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> They might. So far we're only doing heralds for the core 20, and they're all roughly at the same power level.
30/09/2008 21:50:57 ‹James Jacobs› At this point, demigods do not have heralds.
30/09/2008 21:51:01 ‹Russ› Ok.
30/09/2008 21:51:08 ‹James Jacobs› We haven't said they don't. We haven'
30/09/2008 21:51:11 ‹James Jacobs› t said they do.
30/09/2008 21:51:16 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, this guy? http://wizards.com/dnd/images/...0_9.jpg
30/09/2008 21:51:17 ‹James Jacobs› oops. Extra return there.
30/09/2008 21:51:18 ‹cappadocius› Demigods are basically heralds that've gone into business for themselves.
30/09/2008 21:51:22 ‹Timitius› Do they have Maudes?
30/09/2008 21:51:27 ‹Russ› Freelancers!
30/09/2008 21:51:33 ‹Daigle› :rimshot:
30/09/2008 21:51:37 ‹cappadocius› I love that guy!
30/09/2008 21:51:39 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Yup; that's the guy. I'm not a fan of his art style At All.
30/09/2008 21:51:44 ‹Russ› Will miracle for food.
30/09/2008 21:51:47 ‹Timitius› Daigle, nice. Thanks!
30/09/2008 21:51:54 ‹Daigle› ;)
30/09/2008 21:51:59 * cappadocius loves Rebecca Guay and Tony DiTerlizzi more.
30/09/2008 21:52:01 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, so are you gonna show off Wayne's cover sketch or just tease us?
30/09/2008 21:52:05 ‹Russ› That is some powerfully bad art
30/09/2008 21:52:13 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, yeah. He sucks.
30/09/2008 21:52:14 ‹James Jacobs› We've never shown off sketches to covers before.
30/09/2008 21:52:23 * cappadocius falls into bed.
30/09/2008 21:52:26 ‹cappadocius› Good night everyone.
30/09/2008 21:52:31 ‹Ross› I was under the impression somebody liked him, because WotC keeps hiring him.
30/09/2008 21:52:32 ‹Timitius› DiTerlizzi is awesome. One of the reasons I loved Planescape.
30/09/2008 21:52:33 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Cappa
30/09/2008 21:52:34 ‹Pygon› bye cappa
30/09/2008 21:52:35 ‹Justin Sluder› cya cappa
30/09/2008 21:52:36 ‹Eyebite› night cappa
30/09/2008 21:52:36 ‹cappadocius› As always, thank you Mr. Jacobs and Mr. Mona for talking with us.
30/09/2008 21:52:41 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Sigh..WE're getting jack tonight :razz: G'night Cappa
30/09/2008 21:52:44 ‹James Jacobs› No prob! Good night!
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30/09/2008 21:53:52 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, Erik Mona, do you have any questions for us?
30/09/2008 21:54:05 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> What's the status on your inter-office campaign of pre Runelord Sandpoint??
30/09/2008 21:54:20 ‹Timitius› There is an awkward lull in all conversations every 5 min....even on the internet it seems.
30/09/2008 21:54:23 ‹Ross› Cappy, Guay is good. Doesn't always fit in, but her stuff looks good. CrabApple looks like all his stuff is a melting wax sculpture.
30/09/2008 21:54:52 ‹radec› Dire Penguins?
30/09/2008 21:55:01 ‹Eyebite› :lol:
30/09/2008 21:55:24 ‹Pygon› my god what is it!? *HONK HONK*
30/09/2008 21:55:25 ‹Russ› I'm wondering if JJ or Erik have any thoughts on if there's anyone filling the Mordenkainen sort of role in the world - not quite villain, definitely not save the party's bacon hero, and manipulator of events
30/09/2008 21:55:37 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> I have to get a lot written on "Howl of the Carrion King" first. After that, I'll prolly launch the Sandpoint campaign. Prolly in 2 weeks, in fact. And It's now going to be post Runelord Sandpoint, i think...
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30/09/2008 21:56:02 * Daigle isn't fond of super NPCs.
30/09/2008 21:56:09 ‹Daigle› Howdy Charles
30/09/2008 21:56:18 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Oh cool... Damn.. Who was the bad ass who summoned the Oliphant of Jandelray again??
30/09/2008 21:56:20 ‹Russ› I'm not fond of super good guys.
30/09/2008 21:56:23 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Nex or Geb could probably fill the Mordenkainen role, I suppose. But for now, we're kinda trying NOT to have those types of characters in there.
30/09/2008 21:56:24 ‹Timitius› :excite:
30/09/2008 21:56:30 ‹Russ› But there's gonna be more than just bad guys with power out there.
30/09/2008 21:56:44 ‹Daigle› Russ, good points.
30/09/2008 21:56:51 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> Three or four runelords working together summoned the Oliphant. Doing so cost tens of thousands of souls. Sending it back cost even more.
30/09/2008 21:56:51 ‹Blazej› Nex?
30/09/2008 21:57:07 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Yikes!!!
30/09/2008 21:57:08 ‹Russ› Looking for who has control of events OTHER than rulers of kingdoms :)
30/09/2008 21:57:14 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yes; there are more than just bad guys with power out there. We'll be getting to them eventually.
30/09/2008 21:57:28 ‹Russ› Baba Yaga of course, but it seems she isn't around much
30/09/2008 21:57:28 ‹James Jacobs› We'd prefer not to nail it down until we have a use for them, though.
30/09/2008 21:57:38 ‹Blazej› Is he going to escape from the Phantom Zone?
30/09/2008 21:57:48 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, So what you are saying is there was sort of a "bailout plan" with 700 billion souls??
30/09/2008 21:57:53 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
30/09/2008 21:57:55 ‹Greenis Grunticus› So entire cities were laid waste both in the summoning and the ... Can't think of the word... The expelling??
30/09/2008 21:57:56 ‹James Jacobs› No bailout plan.
30/09/2008 21:58:01 ‹Erik Mona› Yeah, no real Mordenkainen figure.
30/09/2008 21:58:10 ‹Erik Mona› Some of that may come out of the fiction line, once that gets going.
30/09/2008 21:58:14 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> Probably. If not entire cities, entire armies.
30/09/2008 21:58:17 ‹Russ› *nods*
30/09/2008 21:58:26 ‹Russ› I have need of some villains who aren't evil :)
30/09/2008 21:58:39 ‹Timitius› They are just
30/09/2008 21:58:42 * Ross totally wants stats for the Oliphant.
30/09/2008 21:58:45 ‹Timitius› misunderstood?
30/09/2008 21:58:52 ‹Greenis Grunticus› The Oliphant has it's own agenda at that time didn't it??
30/09/2008 21:59:01 ‹Greenis Grunticus› er.. had its own agenda
30/09/2008 21:59:02 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm. I get the impression that Aroden was probably the last major Mordenkainen style figure.
30/09/2008 21:59:04 ‹James Jacobs› No one knows.
30/09/2008 21:59:15 ‹kvantum› yes, and the DC of the Epic Spell to summon it... at least rounded down to the nearest 100.
30/09/2008 21:59:20 ‹James Jacobs› The Oliphant is beyond agendas as mortals understand the concept.
30/09/2008 21:59:24 ‹Charles Evans› Although different alignment from Mr. M.
30/09/2008 21:59:31 ‹Erik Mona› Aroden was more of a demigod type of person that Mordenkainen, who is more on the crest of quasi-deityhood.
30/09/2008 21:59:48 ‹Erik Mona› I'm curious to hear what people think of the idea of a Pathfinder fiction line.
30/09/2008 21:59:53 ‹Blazej› Yes.
30/09/2008 21:59:59 ‹Blazej› Yes.
30/09/2008 21:59:59 ‹Timitius› I'm sorry. You are all talking serious about this Oliphant, and all I can see is the elephant in Winnie the Pooh.
30/09/2008 22:00:02 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Interesting... So the Oliphant is a myth... Several stories were made I would imagine.. But surely some of those stories have a common thread
30/09/2008 22:00:03 ‹Daigle› Have I missed/forgotten what killed Aroden or has that not been spilled/mentioned yet.
30/09/2008 22:00:04 ‹Daigle› ?
30/09/2008 22:00:07 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, I am 300% for it!
22:00:14 ‹James Jacobs› There were some pretty potent good guys mentioned in the Kazavon backstory for Crimson Throne... but we haven't done much with them.
30/09/2008 22:00:17 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, probably never will be
30/09/2008 22:00:23 ‹Pygon› I think the response in that regard woudl be mostly unanimously favorable.
30/09/2008 22:00:25 ‹Daigle› Good.
30/09/2008 22:00:28 ‹Eyebite› Erik - I'm really excited about a possible fiction line.
30/09/2008 22:00:34 ‹Justin Sluder› Erik Mona, Pathfinder fiction line = :dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::headbang::headbang::headbang::w00t::w00t:: w00t::headbang::headbang::w00t::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance::dance::dance 2::dance2::dance::dance::squee::squee::love::love:*heart**heart**heart*:swo on::swoon::swoon::swoon::lick::lick::lick::excite::excite::excite::excite:: excite::excite:
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30/09/2008 22:00:49 ‹James Jacobs› We haven't revealed what or how or why Aroden died. We probably never will.
30/09/2008 22:00:51 ‹Russ› Erik - it's got to not suck. Which is pretty damned rare for gamer fiction.
30/09/2008 22:00:53 ‹Daigle› I'd like to see a graphic novel before pure paperback fiction, personally.
30/09/2008 22:00:55 ‹Charles Evans› erik: It would be safer to leave a Pathfinder line in the past of Golarion, than involving it with current major events.
30/09/2008 22:01:04 ‹Russ› Generally, I think Gamer fiction as a niche is even further down that Star Trek books.
30/09/2008 22:01:06 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Unless Aroden faked his death!!
30/09/2008 22:01:12 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> to be totally mercenary... it doesn't have to not suck to be successful.
30/09/2008 22:01:25 ‹Blazej› Aroden died of a heart attack. He ate the plane of meat drank the plane of mead.
30/09/2008 22:01:26 ‹Ross› Alright. Me god...sleep now.
30/09/2008 22:01:30 ‹kvantum› or Asmodeus imprisoned him... so he could take over Cheliax
30/09/2008 22:01:33 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, I suggested to James in a past chat that the fiction would be an excellent place for detailed information on the history of Golarion to be presented. Such as following a major player in the conquest of Korvosa through the wars with the Shoanti or the explorer who first found the ruins of Kho.
30/09/2008 22:01:33 ‹Daigle› I'm normally not a fan of game world fiction, but I think a graphic novel format would alleviate some of those hesistations.
30/09/2008 22:01:33 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Night Ross
30/09/2008 22:01:35 ‹Blazej› You can't do that and just walk away.
30/09/2008 22:01:38 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> That I can address. He's dead. No fake death there.
30/09/2008 22:01:40 ‹Justin Sluder› cya Ross
30/09/2008 22:01:42 ‹Russ› Well, if Paizo goes down that road, they'll do it without my patronage :)
30/09/2008 22:01:44 ‹Eyebite› Night Ross
30/09/2008 22:01:44 * Sir Wulf joins Main
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30/09/2008 22:01:55 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hey Sir Wulf
30/09/2008 22:01:56 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Wulf
30/09/2008 22:01:56 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Aroden was obviously killed by the Aboleths, looking to finish their earlier job off; Aroden was 'the last Azlanti', so they needed him down to eliminate once and for all that wretched empire.
30/09/2008 22:02:03 ‹Charles Evans› :tinfoil:
30/09/2008 22:02:06 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wulf!
30/09/2008 22:02:07 ‹It Is Not Late... Yet› I need to go...
30/09/2008 22:02:09 ‹It Is Not Late... Yet› bye all
30/09/2008 22:02:10 ‹Sir Wulf› Hello!
30/09/2008 22:02:12 ‹radec› hey Wulf
30/09/2008 22:02:14 * Hill Giant joins Main
30/09/2008 22:02:18 ‹Justin Sluder› cya olli
30/09/2008 22:02:18 ‹Timitius› Erik Mona, full steam ahead on that fiction line! The Eberron novels really made my Eberron games in Sharn "pop" a little more. I love additional flavor.
30/09/2008 22:02:18 ‹Brian Cortijo› Okay, folks. Off to bed with me. Gotta sleep on some stuff...
30/09/2008 22:02:22 ‹yoda8myhead› That way it never ruins the current timeline, and authors can have more room to play with
30/09/2008 22:02:22 ‹Russ› I've already ditched one gaming company this year for choosing to release stuff they knew was crap. But I'm confident that's not in Paizo's future.
30/09/2008 22:02:22 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy HG
30/09/2008 22:02:22 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Of course, the goal is to MAKE the stories good. But some folk out there think Stephen King is garbage. What we think is good might not be what others call good, is what I'm saying.
30/09/2008 22:02:23 ‹Daigle› Howdy Hill Giant]
30/09/2008 22:02:25 ‹Blazej› Charles Evans, And they just wait 10,000 years for this plan to finish off?
30/09/2008 22:02:31 ‹yoda8myhead› g'night Brian
30/09/2008 22:02:43 ‹Hill Giant› What d'I miss?
30/09/2008 22:02:44 ‹Russ› Shoot for "Better than what comes out for Dragonlance", plz
30/09/2008 22:02:45 ‹Greenis Grunticus› In his death ... Did Aroden transfer some of his divine lifeforce into another deity??
30/09/2008 22:02:45 ‹James Jacobs› I certainly want pathfinder fiction to be good, though. But it doesn't HAVE to be good. If that makes any sense at all...
30/09/2008 22:02:53 ‹yoda8myhead› Blazej, no one expects it after 10 millennia
30/09/2008 22:02:58 ‹Russ› For that matter, for the love of god better than the Moonshae trilogy
30/09/2008 22:03:05 ‹kvantum› Greenis>Iomedae was his hearald before he died
30/09/2008 22:03:06 ‹Blazej› yoda8myhead, Ah.
30/09/2008 22:03:15 ‹kvantum› and a goddess now, so, kinda
30/09/2008 22:03:16 ‹Blazej› So was Aroden a demi-god before the Starstone? Or was he just immortal?
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30/09/2008 22:03:26 ‹Timitius› That said, I even read the Hellgate: London novel, and it made the game make more sense.
30/09/2008 22:04:06 ‹Blazej› kvantum, I believe Iomedae was a herald and a deity before Aroden died.
30/09/2008 22:04:07 ‹Charles Evans› blazej: They were busy with other things, and they thought that they'd already got the job done... :shrug:
30/09/2008 22:04:09 ‹Justin Sluder› :shakefist: I must crash now :cry::cry:
30/09/2008 22:04:12 ‹Justin Sluder› have fun all
30/09/2008 22:04:16 ‹James Jacobs› But honsetly... we'll be focusing the same care and dedication we do to Planet Stories and Pathfinder to a fiction line. We'll do the best we can. If that's good enough for Russ, that's cool. If it's not, we tried.
30/09/2008 22:04:18 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Justin
30/09/2008 22:04:20 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> Did you check out Stephen King's "N' web comic??
30/09/2008 22:04:20 ‹Eyebite› NIght Justin
30/09/2008 22:04:21 * Russ must do a quick restart
30/09/2008 22:04:25 ‹Russ› I approve of trying :)
30/09/2008 22:04:26 ‹Blazej› Night Justin.
30/09/2008 22:04:26 ‹Timitius› See ya Justin.
30/09/2008 22:04:30 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> Most of Aroden's mantle went to Iomedae.
30/09/2008 22:04:37 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Ok... Ty
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30/09/2008 22:04:51 ‹Russ› I just have reservations about fiction lines for games, which seem mainly to be there to fluff up profits rather than have any serious literary quality.
30/09/2008 22:04:58 ‹yoda8myhead› do you think it's reasonable to assume that Golarion fiction will launch at GenCon 09?
30/09/2008 22:05:03 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Aroden was a quasi-deity before the starstone. An epic level character, basically.
30/09/2008 22:05:08 ‹Justin Sluder› James, Erik, thanks for stoping in. Tuesdays and Wednesdays are normally the best days of the week thanks to Paizo and Sinister.
30/09/2008 22:05:10 ‹Eyebite› Alright guys, I'm out too. G'night all - Erik and James, thanks for the chat!
30/09/2008 22:05:13 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, they can also fluff up the world
30/09/2008 22:05:17 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Night Justin
30/09/2008 22:05:19 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda; That would be too soon for a good job I would think.
30/09/2008 22:05:20 ‹Daigle› Dream well Eyebite!
30/09/2008 22:05:21 ‹David› Eyebite, bye
30/09/2008 22:05:25 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, ah.
30/09/2008 22:05:25 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Night Eyebite
30/09/2008 22:05:25 ‹Russ› I'm pretty sure if Paizo got manuscripts like WotC publishes, they'd burn them and get something better.
30/09/2008 22:05:28 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> I haven't checked it out yet. I want to. I keep forgetting to.
30/09/2008 22:05:29 ‹kvantum› the Scarred Lands books reintroduced the dead god of the elves... it was somewhat strange
30/09/2008 22:05:31 * Justin Sluder bows before the Golem Overlords before departing for the night
30/09/2008 22:05:36 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda: plus it would cl;ash with the PFRPG...
30/09/2008 22:05:40 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin the :sleep:er
30/09/2008 22:05:42 ‹Charles Evans› :)
30/09/2008 22:05:59 ‹Blazej› Where was Aroden during the Starfall?
30/09/2008 22:06:11 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Did Aroden have any travelling companions??
30/09/2008 22:06:12 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Maybe. And maybe not. I do know that the WotC book department makes a fair bit of money. One Salavatore book probably makes more money than Paizo, in fact.
30/09/2008 22:06:35 ‹Daigle› I'm actually a terrible person to ask about game-fict because I'm a gamer heathen and don't read much fantasy.
30/09/2008 22:06:44 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> You make it sound like fluffing up profits is bad!
30/09/2008 22:06:55 ‹Timitius› Please note: Salvatore is going to be GoH at Norwescon 32 in April!
30/09/2008 22:07:01 ‹Russ› When it involves publishing crap, I do think it is bad.
30/09/2008 22:07:02 ‹Charles Evans› I think he dislikes 'potboilers'
30/09/2008 22:07:03 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 22:07:03 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 22:07:25 ‹Russ› There's no excuse for printing garbage like the iconics books, or the Master Wolf books a few decades earlier, or the godawful trash that was Pool of Radance.
30/09/2008 22:07:42 ‹Pygon› Passing out here. Good night all. Thanks again, James and Erik!
30/09/2008 22:07:50 ‹Samwise› no, i think he just dislikes really lousy books
30/09/2008 22:07:50 ‹Blazej› Night Pygon.
30/09/2008 22:07:52 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Night Pygon
30/09/2008 22:07:55 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Pygon! Dream well!
30/09/2008 22:08:02 ‹James Jacobs› It's a good thing Russ isn't a publisher. He'd probably have a heart attack.
30/09/2008 22:08:02 ‹Timitius› Later Pygon!
30/09/2008 22:08:05 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: I actually liked the first pool of radiance series book.
30/09/2008 22:08:06 ‹Russ› Fine, make profits, but do it on books that have a least a little art to them :)
30/09/2008 22:08:18 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: The later ones were somewhat lacking.
30/09/2008 22:08:28 * Pygon quit
30/09/2008 22:08:34 ‹James Jacobs› And I quite liked the Moonshae books.
30/09/2008 22:08:35 ‹Russ› Wow. The first one is the one that opens with all 3 characters having 18 Str, it was just...wow. Bad.
30/09/2008 22:08:37 ‹Samwise› i remember reading Against the Giants and thinking my session summaries were better
30/09/2008 22:09:00 ‹James Jacobs› That's the thing about art, though. If you have something that everyone likes and no one hates... it's not art.
30/09/2008 22:09:06 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I'm a fan of much of the Erevis Cale series by... Damn ... I forgot his name
30/09/2008 22:09:09 ‹Samwise› however, even though i find Salvatore rather . . . uninteresting, he is still a best seller
30/09/2008 22:09:10 ‹Charles Evans› Rss: t was cheesy, but fun. and in those days, if players could wangle it, their characters did all have 18 strength.
30/09/2008 22:09:28 ‹Samwise› just as James mentioned, some people think stephen king is an incompetent hack
30/09/2008 22:09:33 ‹Samwise› (as opposed to just a hack)
30/09/2008 22:09:38 ‹Russ› He's definitely a hack :)
30/09/2008 22:09:54 ‹Russ› Okay, but the iconics books are NOT art :)
30/09/2008 22:10:01 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Sometimes I think his stuff is cheese whiz... Other times I can dig him
30/09/2008 22:10:02 ‹Daigle› His nonfiction book was interesting.
30/09/2008 22:10:08 ‹James Jacobs› But in any event, whatever we publish for Pathifnder Fiction will have to please me, Erik, James Sutter, and several other folk, I suspect. I don't think we'd launch a fiction line wtih a novel we knew sucked. And I disagree that King's a hack. He's one of the best writers working today.
30/09/2008 22:10:17 ‹kvantum› "For my 347th book, this couple gets attacked by... a scary lamp monster! Oooo!"
30/09/2008 22:10:22 ‹Samwise› Russ>hes also absurdly rich, so . . .
30/09/2008 22:10:22 ‹Sir Wulf› Russ, while I agree with you, a lot of fantasy is straight formulaic pablum. Have you ever read Michael Moorcock's opinion of Tolkien's work?
30/09/2008 22:10:22 ‹James Jacobs› Just read "On Writing" for proof that he knows what he's doing.
30/09/2008 22:10:22 ‹Russ› If all gaming books were on Salvatore's level (not that I'm a fan), there wouldn't be a problem
30/09/2008 22:10:46 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: He has some interesting ways of looking at somethings.
30/09/2008 22:10:49 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> See? There's another example. I liked Salvatore's first 3 books, but The rest? Not interested.
30/09/2008 22:10:50 ‹Charles Evans› (king)
30/09/2008 22:11:06 ‹Charles Evans› The notion of telepathy, he outlines, in 'on writing'
30/09/2008 22:11:13 ‹Russ› James - as I said, I'm not a fan. But he's at least literate.
30/09/2008 22:11:16 ‹yoda8myhead› wonders where Erik went
30/09/2008 22:11:20 ‹Samwise› King is one of those professional authors that attracts the "hack" label because he is so prolific and successful
30/09/2008 22:11:21 ‹James Jacobs› Tolkien is a very gifted world builder. Not a very good storyteller. Takes all kinds, though.
30/09/2008 22:11:23 ‹yoda8myhead› oops. Forgot the /me there
30/09/2008 22:11:24 ‹Charles Evans› I was leafing through a copy in Waterstones the other day, and noticed that part.
30/09/2008 22:11:31 ‹Samwise› lots of people dont like that
30/09/2008 22:11:44 ‹Samwise› and, as James said
30/09/2008 22:11:49 ‹Timitius› Erik is downloading MP3s would be MY guess. :lol:
30/09/2008 22:11:50 ‹Samwise› I read "On Writing"
30/09/2008 22:12:20 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> I highly recommend you check out "N" when you can
30/09/2008 22:12:21 ‹Russ› I haven't read much King. What I've read makes me not want to read more. But I don't think he's bad.
30/09/2008 22:12:28 ‹Samwise› and if that is how a hack gets paid . . .
30/09/2008 22:12:30 * Samwise shrugs
30/09/2008 22:12:35 ‹Samwise› sign me up to be one!
30/09/2008 22:12:40 ‹James Jacobs› I guess the best way to look at it is to look at what Paizo has offered re: RPG products, and compare that to other companies. I'm not sure we'll be as successful in the novel line, but my personal goal is to have the same type of quality there as we do in the RPG side.'
30/09/2008 22:12:53 ‹Sir Wulf› Michael Moorcock felt that Tolkien's work didn't challenge the reader, instead encouraging a feeling of nostalgia for an England that he felt never really existed.
30/09/2008 22:13:08 ‹James Jacobs› King's one of my favorite writers. One of the top 10 easilly.
30/09/2008 22:13:13 ‹Hill Giant› Sir Wulf, that was kind of what Tolkien was going for
30/09/2008 22:13:22 * Russ holds up "The Nomad of Time" as evidence that Moorcock might have overhighed his horse
30/09/2008 22:13:37 ‹James Jacobs› Tolkien's work has the same feel to me that a history book has. FILLED with great information, but not very vibrantly written.
30/09/2008 22:13:41 ‹Moth Working› I've been away from the discussion: HAve we talked about who Paizo might like to see doing Golarion fiction?
30/09/2008 22:13:45 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I heard the Dark Tower series are some of his better books.. What do you think?
30/09/2008 22:13:47 ‹Samwise› heh
30/09/2008 22:14:02 ‹Russ› Moth - I could come up with a list of who NOT to use pretty easily :)
30/09/2008 22:14:10 ‹Samwise› Tolkien was just using a very deliberately different style
30/09/2008 22:14:23 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, what're your favorite King novels/stories?
30/09/2008 22:14:25 ‹Samwise› thats not that easy to deal with
30/09/2008 22:14:27 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I enjoyed the Silmarillion
30/09/2008 22:14:35 ‹Daigle› The Elf Bible?
30/09/2008 22:14:42 ‹Greenis Grunticus› LOL yes
30/09/2008 22:14:57 ‹Samwise› the Dark Tower is useful as an exercise in the evolution of a writing ability
30/09/2008 22:14:58 * yoda8myhead quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 22:15:01 * Daigle yawns.
30/09/2008 22:15:01 ‹Russ› King - Jerusalem's Lot, The Stand (full version), and a fair amount of shorter stuff than J. Lot.
30/09/2008 22:15:05 ‹Timitius› The Lost Tales should have stayed lost.
30/09/2008 22:15:08 ‹James Jacobs› The dark tower series is among his best work.
30/09/2008 22:15:11 ‹James Jacobs› The Stand is his best story.
22:15:13 ‹Samwise› its also got that particular world building appeal to it
30/09/2008 22:15:19 ‹Greenis Grunticus› And I liked Fellowship of the Ring
30/09/2008 22:15:25 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I didn't care for the Stand
30/09/2008 22:15:26 ‹James Jacobs› Stuff after It and before Bag of Bones is pretty low. That's the low point.
30/09/2008 22:15:27 ‹Sir Wulf› Hill Giant, I agree. He wanted to remind people of traditional values and protest the negative trends he saw around him. I just brought it up because Tolkien is a god of fantasy fiction, and so is Moorcock (although some disagree).
30/09/2008 22:15:31 ‹James Jacobs› HIs recent stuff is pretty good though.
30/09/2008 22:15:36 ‹Russ› The Stand's what has me not wanting to bother reading more. Just too much time commitment for what I got out of it.
30/09/2008 22:15:37 ‹James Jacobs› And some of his recent stuff is GREAT.
30/09/2008 22:15:38 ‹Samwise› the stand is pretty awesome
30/09/2008 22:15:51 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Jerusalem's Lot scared the piss out of me
30/09/2008 22:16:01 ‹Samwise› well, the stand is huge
30/09/2008 22:16:05 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, I read the Stand. It was good, but I got a feeling of racism and sexism
30/09/2008 22:16:11 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I suspect, then, that like RPG and gaming, our tastes in story and writing are similar enough to line up genre-wise, but then at polar opposites.
30/09/2008 22:16:13 ‹Russ› I'm a big fan of BREVITY in fiction.
30/09/2008 22:16:19 ‹Samwise› its one of those books that makes you do a bit of a double take as to how it wound up so massive
30/09/2008 22:16:28 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Like Hemmingway?
30/09/2008 22:16:31 ‹Timitius› "It" had a Lovecraftian feel to it.
30/09/2008 22:16:32 ‹Russ› Tell me the story with some economy.
30/09/2008 22:16:35 ‹Russ› More like Piper.
30/09/2008 22:16:42 ‹Russ› Early-to-mid Heinlein
30/09/2008 22:16:45 ‹Samwise› glurk
30/09/2008 22:16:47 ‹Russ› John Brunner
30/09/2008 22:16:50 ‹James Jacobs› I'm the opposite. Paint pictures with words. I don't want to read lists. I want to read poetry.
30/09/2008 22:16:50 ‹Samwise› and yet . . .
30/09/2008 22:16:59 * yoda8myhead quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 22:17:05 ‹Samwise› a whole lot of Piper was written for the pulp audience
30/09/2008 22:17:05 ‹Greenis Grunticus› It got ponderous for me.. Like the Stand
30/09/2008 22:17:16 ‹Samwise› and so most pulp writers are often labeled as . . .
30/09/2008 22:17:17 ‹Samwise› hacks
30/09/2008 22:17:21 ‹Russ› Yep.
30/09/2008 22:17:25 ‹Russ› I don't view "hack" as an insult.
30/09/2008 22:17:32 ‹James Jacobs› I do.
30/09/2008 22:17:47 ‹Russ› I love Wyndham.
30/09/2008 22:17:50 ‹James Jacobs› As a writer, if someone calls me a hack, my feelings are hurt.
30/09/2008 22:17:53 ‹Samwise› however, there is indeed a major difference between Piper and King
30/09/2008 22:17:59 ‹Samwise› theres no doubt about that
30/09/2008 22:18:24 ‹Russ› Hmm. Most adventure writing is almost exactly what I'd call hackwork
30/09/2008 22:18:34 ‹Russ› Part of the whole deadline thing
30/09/2008 22:18:50 ‹Samwise› squeezing the content of a mega-novel into a novella . . .
30/09/2008 22:18:56 ‹Russ› Not likely to be overwritten - which what I'd call a huge plus
30/09/2008 22:19:06 ‹Sir Wulf› I appreciate that some writing is great art, while other writing pays the bills. It's like the difference between a Rembrandt and a well-painted house: Both have their beauty, but they aren't the same.
30/09/2008 22:19:10 ‹Samwise› and having such detail that people are afraid to write sequels, even when allowed
30/09/2008 22:19:21 ‹James Jacobs› To me, "Hackwork" is writing for something simply to get money and not caring about the artistry of the whole thing. A hack is someone who isn't an artist. He's more like a mechanic who goes in, does the job, and then moves on and doesn't take pride in his work.
30/09/2008 22:19:21 ‹Russ› Sir Wulf - that's kind of what I mean in a good-natured way when I say King is a hack :)
30/09/2008 22:19:33 * Daigle blinks.
30/09/2008 22:19:41 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I envy the fantasy writers that can write a great combat scene
30/09/2008 22:19:54 ‹James Jacobs› It's possible to enjoy what you write, to take pride in it, to do your best and invest yourself in the writing... and STILL be writing on a deadline for a shared universe.
30/09/2008 22:20:05 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Don't get me wrong... It doesn't have to be the whole book
30/09/2008 22:20:21 ‹Timitius› Hack writer is a colloquial, usually pejorative, term used to refer to a writer who is paid to write low-quality, quickly put-together articles or books "to order", often with a short deadline. In a fiction-writing context, the term is used to describe writers who are paid to churn out sensational, lower-quality "pulp" fiction such as "true crime" novels or "bodice ripping" paperbacks. In journali
30/09/2008 22:20:25 ‹Greenis Grunticus› But I try tro write one up and .. of course, it's shit.. Unrealistic
30/09/2008 22:20:25 ‹Russ› And yet, it isn't some 20-year great novel project that comes out, wows the crtics, and is absolutely death to read.
30/09/2008 22:20:43 ‹Samwise› heh
30/09/2008 22:20:54 ‹Samwise› you mean like Martin's Ice and Fire?
30/09/2008 22:21:00 ‹Timitius› In journalism, the term is used to describe a writer who is deemed to operate as a "mercenary" or "pen for hire", expressing their client's political opinions in pamphlets or newspaper articles. So-called "hack writers" are usually paid by the number of words in their book or article; as a result, hack writing has a reputation for quantity taking precedence over quality.
30/09/2008 22:21:18 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I seriously wonder if Martin is going to finish the series
30/09/2008 22:21:18 ‹Daigle› Creativity doesn't operate within our concepts of time. Just because someone takes ten years on an idea doesn't make it any better of a core idea than someone who takes a month. Ideas are like sparks.
30/09/2008 22:21:23 ‹Charles Evans› Gemmell's 'legend' was good enough to make me buy it; none of the others caught my interest to quite the same degree. :-?
30/09/2008 22:21:26 ‹Timitius› Fairly negative sounding to me.....
30/09/2008 22:21:29 ‹James Jacobs› ANYway. The talk about good writers being "hacks" is starting to annoy me. Also... it's getting late anyway. SO! Any last minute questions?
30/09/2008 22:21:34 ‹Russ› Gemmell wrote the same book at least 30 times :)
30/09/2008 22:21:40 ‹Daigle› Yes!
30/09/2008 22:21:41 ‹Sir Wulf› I admire those authors who don't expect me to bow before every piece of their great artistry, but just tell the story.
30/09/2008 22:21:51 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> YEs.. and I forgot what the hell they were
30/09/2008 22:21:56 ‹James Jacobs› OH NOES!
30/09/2008 22:22:00 ‹James Jacobs› Write them down!
30/09/2008 22:22:03 ‹Samwise› i have one :)
30/09/2008 22:22:07 ‹radec› dire Penguins?
30/09/2008 22:22:07 ‹James Jacobs› So that next week they'll be READY TO GO!
30/09/2008 22:22:12 ‹Greenis Grunticus› So... I would recommend that you check out "N" though!!
30/09/2008 22:22:14 ‹James Jacobs› No dire penguins on the schedule.
30/09/2008 22:22:21 ‹Skeld› goodnight everyone
30/09/2008 22:22:22 ‹Russ› Well, keep in mind I wasn't insulting King or gaming articles, please. I find the term hack amusing, and intention is pretty key to an insult.
30/09/2008 22:22:22 ‹Samwise› how much non-monster new rules stuff will be "updated" to PFRPG?
30/09/2008 22:22:23 ‹James Jacobs› And I will go check out N sometime soon.
30/09/2008 22:22:37 ‹Samwise› feats, magic items, and all that other stuff
30/09/2008 22:22:38 ‹Timitius› I saw the art for that lovely gorillion, James Jacobs. And I laughed.
30/09/2008 22:22:42 ‹Greenis Grunticus› It had some bits that had my hairs rise up on the back of my neck
30/09/2008 22:22:47 ‹Daigle› James, I've been intrigued by the demon lord Urxehl, the Trollfather, Lord of Storms and Trolls since I read it. What is the connection there?
30/09/2008 22:22:50 ‹Russ› The great white apes of barsoom!
30/09/2008 22:22:54 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Whether or not something is an insult isn't up to the speaker to decide. it's the insulted who decides that.
30/09/2008 22:23:01 ‹Russ› ...
30/09/2008 22:23:05 ‹kvantum› girallons have tails...
30/09/2008 22:23:06 ‹Russ› Fine.
30/09/2008 22:23:13 ‹Russ› Then be insulted.
30/09/2008 22:23:29 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> No worries. I often am by you. :)
30/09/2008 22:23:34 ‹Russ› Yeah,
30/09/2008 22:23:38 * Samwise coughs
30/09/2008 22:23:39 ‹Greenis Grunticus› :D
30/09/2008 22:23:40 * Daigle sighs.
30/09/2008 22:23:49 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: How far east off the 'Reigon' map dos Taldor extend?
30/09/2008 22:23:56 ‹Charles Evans› do(e)s
30/09/2008 22:23:59 ‹Samwise› James>you and the majority of America ;)
30/09/2008 22:24:01 ‹Timitius› :roll:
30/09/2008 22:24:04 ‹Russ› What the f~#@, Sam?
30/09/2008 22:24:19 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> There's not gonna be much new stuff updated in the PFRPG. I doubt that character traits or haunts will be in there, for example. The book's already SUPER HUGE as it is, trying to get the base and bare essentials in there.
30/09/2008 22:24:20 * Samwise snickers at the Russ Moment (TM)
30/09/2008 22:24:30 * Russ sighs.
30/09/2008 22:24:32 ‹Samwise› go ahead, deny it exists Russ!
30/09/2008 22:24:53 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Nothing much yet. Josh Frost invented Urxehl, and I don't know much about him.
30/09/2008 22:24:55 ‹Samwise› James>Thats what i figured, although i do want to see them
30/09/2008 22:25:02 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: And would Galt be the logical invasion choice for the Princess to invade to 'renew Taldor's glory', once (and if) she ascends?
30/09/2008 22:25:04 ‹Daigle› Damn that Josh Frost!
30/09/2008 22:25:09 ‹Daigle› :D
30/09/2008 22:25:11 ‹Russ› Anyhow, that makes me said, because I have a lot of respect for Paizo and for you, James. It's
30/09/2008 22:25:22 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, Frost?
30/09/2008 22:25:22 ‹Russ› It's too bad I'm feeling so unwelcome in the community tonight.
30/09/2008 22:25:36 ‹Blazej› Hug?
30/09/2008 22:25:36 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, I still like you
30/09/2008 22:25:48 ‹Blazej› :hugs:
30/09/2008 22:25:48 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> Can you really find out what the hell they were thinking about the Goroth Lodge.. As a homework assignment? :razz:
30/09/2008 22:25:50 ‹Daigle› yoda...yes, he's quite damnable. :)
30/09/2008 22:25:52 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Taldor doesn't extend far beyond the east side of the region map. In fact, I'd like to say its eastern boundary is pretty much the mountains there. If not... it's not far beyond the edge of the map.
30/09/2008 22:25:53 ‹kvantum› now who's taking offense at unintended insult?
30/09/2008 22:26:04 ‹Sir Wulf› The Josh Frost line is a Werecabbage running gag...
30/09/2008 22:26:07 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> I have no idea what you're talking about with this Goroth Lodge.
30/09/2008 22:26:28 ‹Blazej› I think the rogue is taking it. Her slight of hand is awesome.
30/09/2008 22:26:42 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Damn... Gazetteer pg. 18 my friend :D
30/09/2008 22:26:43 ‹Blazej› The offense I mean.
30/09/2008 22:26:54 ‹Charles Evans› Princess Eutropia, I mean.
30/09/2008 22:26:58 ‹Greenis Grunticus› OOPs! I meant page 20!!
30/09/2008 22:27:01 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Crap
30/09/2008 22:27:14 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I'm not sure. I'm not all that up to date on Galt lore.
30/09/2008 22:27:21 ‹Charles Evans› Once she's quite finished overhtrowing Taldor's salic inheritance arrangements, after her fatehr dies.
30/09/2008 22:27:33 ‹James Jacobs› Galt being from a part of the world that really hasn't had much impact on Pathfinder itself yet...
30/09/2008 22:27:58 ‹Charles Evans› Taldor's neighbours are Qadire, Andoran, and alt.
30/09/2008 22:28:00 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> I don't have a copy of the Gaetteer here to reference, alas. So I can only say... I don't know?
30/09/2008 22:28:00 ‹Timitius› :lol: I was just thinking of the SNL skit with Shatner taking questions from Trekkies.
30/09/2008 22:28:02 ‹yoda8myhead› Did someone get a transcript of tonight?
30/09/2008 22:28:04 ‹Charles Evans› Qadira.
30/09/2008 22:28:18 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I just find it intriguing that an entire army deems it necessary to raze a lodge to the ground in a forest you know?
30/09/2008 22:28:23 ‹Daigle› yoda, I belive that has been the dominion of Pygon lately.
30/09/2008 22:28:34 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Taldor'
30/09/2008 22:28:35 ‹Charles Evans› And would think both Qadira and Andoran would be to strong for a military adventure.
30/09/2008 22:28:36 ‹Daigle› I was going to pick up the slack tonight, unless you want to.
30/09/2008 22:28:41 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Err.. Taldor
30/09/2008 22:28:44 ‹Charles Evans› Whereas Galt is in consant turmoil.
30/09/2008 22:28:48 ‹Blazej› For some reason... when I picture a companion book on Galt... there is a large table in the back..
30/09/2008 22:28:50 ‹yoda8myhead› I lost the first part of the chat to scrolling
30/09/2008 22:28:52 ‹Charles Evans› cons(t)ant
30/09/2008 22:28:53 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> I don't. I don't know what you're talkihng about. There are many parts of the world that I know close to nothing about, to be honest. You've found one of them.
30/09/2008 22:28:59 ‹yoda8myhead› Pygon appears to be absent
30/09/2008 22:29:00 ‹Blazej› 100 different governments.
30/09/2008 22:29:10 ‹Blazej› Pygon got tired and left.
30/09/2008 22:29:13 ‹James Jacobs› That's more of an Erik question.
30/09/2008 22:29:29 ‹Timitius› :shock: James Jacobs does not know everything? :shock:
30/09/2008 22:29:32 ‹Daigle› About 20minutes ago
30/09/2008 22:29:35 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Taldor's first army of exploration destroys the Goroth Lodge in the Verduran Wood and charts the Sellen River as far north as Sevenarches
30/09/2008 22:29:36 ‹James Jacobs› It's true.
30/09/2008 22:29:46 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Well... Shit :rofl:
30/09/2008 22:29:46 ‹Timitius› My world has ended.
30/09/2008 22:29:55 ‹Charles Evans› It could have been a group of druids?
30/09/2008 22:30:03 ‹Russ› Honestly, my humorous opinion of "hack" probably has to do with being part of my job description. Hacking code. It's hard to take "hack" seriously when you program.
30/09/2008 22:30:03 ‹Charles Evans› (Groth Lodge?)
30/09/2008 22:30:10 ‹Samwise› yay crazed druids!
30/09/2008 22:30:12 ‹yoda8myhead› Greenis Grunticus, plot hook for later is my guess
30/09/2008 22:30:16 ‹Charles Evans› It reads as if it ought to be something like that.
30/09/2008 22:30:17 ‹Erik Mona› Erik is back, as it happens.
30/09/2008 22:30:23 ‹Russ› Goroth Lodge sounds familiar
30/09/2008 22:30:27 ‹Daigle› Everyone run!
30/09/2008 22:30:28 ‹Blazej› Let's Galt government #34 will be ... based around a magic 8-ball.
30/09/2008 22:30:29 ‹Timitius› Sounds like a swanky place, this Goroth Lodge.
30/09/2008 22:30:33 ‹Samwise› flee! flee! :-P
30/09/2008 22:30:42 ‹James Jacobs› Turns out, getting Pathfinder out every month is a full-time (and then some) job. When the company is also putting out a 256 page book at the same time... that job gets delegated. Some day I'm gonna have to sit down and read that bastard from start to end... I've actually read MOST of it, in fact. But the nations are the big part of the book I don't know all that much about yet.
30/09/2008 22:30:57 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, if you can get the transcript tonight, I and Pygon and everyone else would be grateful
30/09/2008 22:31:01 ‹Erik Mona› Been watching the Watchmen trailer over and over and over and over. Sorry.
30/09/2008 22:31:03 ‹Greenis Grunticus› EM> See above quote about Goroth Lodge... And .. What is this lodge?? Any ideas or thoughts?
30/09/2008 22:31:03 ‹Timitius› Can I get a manicure there? Homeopathic therapy?
30/09/2008 22:31:22 ‹Greenis Grunticus› (on pg. 20 of Gazetteer)
30/09/2008 22:31:24 ‹James Jacobs› ERIK! HELP! They're asking about GOROTH LODGE and I don't know WTF that is? AIEEEEE
30/09/2008 22:31:35 ‹Blazej› ERIK!
30/09/2008 22:31:42 ‹Blazej› E!
30/09/2008 22:31:44 ‹Blazej› R
30/09/2008 22:31:46 ‹Blazej› I
30/09/2008 22:31:47 ‹Blazej› K
30/09/2008 22:31:48 ‹Erik Mona› It's a lodge in the same sense that a fraternity of masons is a lodge.
30/09/2008 22:31:49 ‹Russ› Erik - I have the 2nd or 3rd version of the movie script
30/09/2008 22:31:55 ‹Erik Mona› It's not like a log cabin or somethng.
30/09/2008 22:32:07 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Age of Enthronement, AR 37
30/09/2008 22:32:08 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> Cool. I have a script for the 80s version.
30/09/2008 22:32:10 ‹Erik Mona› Terrible.
30/09/2008 22:32:16 ‹Erik Mona› Terrible, terrible, terrible.
30/09/2008 22:32:19 ‹Timitius› They attacked the Elk's Lodge? Wacky.
30/09/2008 22:32:21 ‹Charles Evans› The Goroth Lodge event Russ is referring to.
30/09/2008 22:32:24 ‹Greenis Grunticus› LOL... Yes.... Well.... An entire army decided to burn the thing to the ground.. ??
30/09/2008 22:32:31 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Also, that means nothing to me right now either. Again... I don't have a copy of any Pathfinder stuff at home.
30/09/2008 22:32:39 ‹Russ› Might be the same one. Does it involve the statue of liberty blowing up?
30/09/2008 22:32:40 ‹Sir Wulf› It's run by the Grand and Illustrius Order of Goroth, whose grand high Poo-Bah dresses entirely in Yakskin.
30/09/2008 22:32:49 ‹Greenis Grunticus› :lol:
30/09/2008 22:32:52 ‹Russ› (pretty much the opening scene of the movie)
30/09/2008 22:32:54 ‹Erik Mona› Can someone give me a page reference, please?
30/09/2008 22:33:03 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> YES!
30/09/2008 22:33:03 ‹Skeld› night all
30/09/2008 22:33:06 ‹Erik Mona› Horrible.
30/09/2008 22:33:08 ‹Greenis Grunticus› pg. 20 of the Pathfinder Gazetteer
30/09/2008 22:33:12 ‹Charles Evans› 201 in the CS
30/09/2008 22:33:15 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Night Skeld
30/09/2008 22:33:19 ‹Daigle› yoda, consider it done. I just scrolled back as far as I could and will continue until it gets too late in Texas for a responsible boy like me to be up.
30/09/2008 22:33:23 ‹Blazej› Galt governement #47: A country moves on it's stomach therefore 95% of government funds will be devoted to cooking schools, resturants, chef, etc.
30/09/2008 22:33:23 ‹Russ› That's the one. A gem it is not :)
30/09/2008 22:33:24 ‹Erik Mona› I seem to remember it ending with certain of the heroes "escaping" from the comic book world into the real world.
30/09/2008 22:33:32 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Skeld
30/09/2008 22:33:37 * Skeld quit
30/09/2008 22:33:39 ‹Erik Mona› Let me make sure I have that book here at home.
30/09/2008 22:33:45 * TheLesuit joins Main
30/09/2008 22:33:53 ‹Daigle› Lesuit!
30/09/2008 22:33:57 ‹Blazej› Hello TheLesuit.
30/09/2008 22:33:58 ‹TheLesuit› Daigle!
30/09/2008 22:33:59 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Hello TheLesuit
30/09/2008 22:34:05 ‹Timitius› Sir Wulf, awesome. Fraternal order of the water buffalos.
30/09/2008 22:34:12 ‹TheLesuit› hey Blazej, and Greenis Grunticus,
30/09/2008 22:34:24 ‹Charles Evans› Erik: The event is mentioned in both the agzetteer (which russ is refernecing) and the Campaign Setting (which I have done so)
30/09/2008 22:34:28 ‹TheLesuit› Good evening Mr. Mona sir.
30/09/2008 22:34:29 ‹Timitius› TheLesuit, what up? Game tonight?
30/09/2008 22:34:39 ‹Charles Evans› agzetteer=gazetteer
30/09/2008 22:34:41 ‹Erik Mona› That reference says "destroys," not "burns to the ground."
30/09/2008 22:34:45 ‹Erik Mona› They are different things.
30/09/2008 22:34:46 ‹Russ› Not me. I just said I thought Goroth sounded familiar, but failed to turn upan additional reference
30/09/2008 22:34:50 ‹Greenis Grunticus› LOL.. Ok
22:34:52 ‹yoda8myhead› Paizo store question: If I have some on sale items that go off sale tomorrow in my cart, but can't afford them until Friday, do they revert to their "current" price when I check out, or do I lock them in at the discounted price when I put them in the cart?
30/09/2008 22:35:03 ‹TheLesuit› Hey Timitius, we rolled up characters for d20 Modern/Future/Firefly/Mecha-thing campaign
30/09/2008 22:35:04 ‹Erik Mona› It is meant to be a druidic circle.
30/09/2008 22:35:07 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I was going for some added mileage you know :razz:
30/09/2008 22:35:19 ‹TheLesuit› Which I think I'm going to bail on in favor of CotCT.
30/09/2008 22:35:25 ‹Erik Mona› It's possible this was taken in a different direction in the campaign setting, as I do not yet have perfect recall of that book.
30/09/2008 22:35:27 ‹Russ› Anything to do with the druidic stuff in TC1?
30/09/2008 22:35:47 ‹Erik Mona› What is the campaign setting page reference?
30/09/2008 22:35:47 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Ok cool... Thanks for the info! :)
30/09/2008 22:35:54 ‹Charles Evans› Erik: Campaign setting says 'destroy' not 'burn', also.
30/09/2008 22:35:57 ‹kvantum› g'night folks
30/09/2008 22:36:04 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> Only tangentially. That "forest king Narven" guy is a more recent thing.
30/09/2008 22:36:09 ‹Charles Evans› Page 201 in the Campaign Setting.
30/09/2008 22:36:12 ‹Russ› Taldor’s First Army of Exploration destroys the Goroth Lodge in the Verduran Wood and charts
30/09/2008 22:36:20 ‹Timitius› TheLesuit, sounds like you'll be taking your Tuesdays back then?
30/09/2008 22:36:23 ‹Erik Mona› Is it the same timeline, or a different reference?
30/09/2008 22:36:27 ‹Russ› the Sellen River as far north as Sevenarches.
30/09/2008 22:36:31 ‹Russ› Same timeline, I think
30/09/2008 22:36:42 ‹TheLesuit› Actually Immora is looking to run CotCT on Mondays...
30/09/2008 22:36:49 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I pictured the opening scene of Gladiator when I read this in the Gazetteer.. With flaming arrows into a lodge.. I couldn't help it :razz:
30/09/2008 22:36:52 ‹Erik Mona› The idea is that Taldor, as a force of "civilization," had to wipe out a bunch of indigenous peoples and cultural traditions on their voyages of "discovery."
30/09/2008 22:36:58 ‹TheLesuit› So I might end up here on Tuesdays sometimes...
30/09/2008 22:36:59 ‹David› i finished all the Firefly episodes :(
30/09/2008 22:37:00 * kvantum quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 22:37:03 ‹Erik Mona› It is no mistake that the idea of "Army" and "Exploration" are one and the same.
30/09/2008 22:37:10 ‹TheLesuit› Firefly rocks David,
30/09/2008 22:37:16 ‹Russ› Conquistadores for the win.
30/09/2008 22:37:22 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Awesome Erik! Thank you!
30/09/2008 22:37:23 ‹Russ› Mind you, they were probably bad-ass explorers )
30/09/2008 22:37:28 ‹David› yeah but know i'll need to buy the movie to see more
30/09/2008 22:37:38 ‹TheLesuit› You do David,
30/09/2008 22:37:38 ‹Erik Mona› There might be an actual lodge involved, but it would be in the "Black Lodge/White Lodge" sort of metaphysical landscape a la Twin Peaks.
30/09/2008 22:37:41 ‹Timitius› Join the Taldoran Army...visit exotic new lands and people...wipe them out.....
30/09/2008 22:37:43 ‹Blazej› Galt governement #52: Nature has survived and held it's ground for millinea. There for they will be the focus of every part of galt. Reforestation is now the focus of every citizen. Logging, or any purposful destruction of plants, is a crime punishable by death.
30/09/2008 22:37:51 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik, you asked about novels earlier and then left before the conversation degenerated into a discussion of the definition of the word "hack"
30/09/2008 22:38:03 ‹Charles Evans› Is Taldor supposed to be very spanish then?
30/09/2008 22:38:05 ‹Erik Mona› Yeah, anyone have any comments on that?
30/09/2008 22:38:08 ‹Erik Mona› No.
30/09/2008 22:38:09 ‹yoda8myhead› did you have any specific questions?
30/09/2008 22:38:11 ‹Greenis Grunticus› #-o Never saw Twin Peaks .. Sigh.. I know.. Shoot me now
30/09/2008 22:38:16 ‹TheLesuit› The old C&S had a bunch of "lodges" and orders and such.
30/09/2008 22:38:29 ‹Daigle› greeny, really? You should check it out.
30/09/2008 22:38:40 ‹TheLesuit› Very cool Erik Mona, I like what you guys are doing with Golarion.
30/09/2008 22:38:42 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Aye Daigle I haven't seen it sadly
30/09/2008 22:38:45 ‹Erik Mona› I model the culture on a decadent version of the European crusader city states and Byzantium, more than anything else.
30/09/2008 22:38:48 * yoda8myhead shoots Greenis Grunticus now
30/09/2008 22:38:50 ‹Samwise› Russ>how about a really obscure side reference for "goroth"
30/09/2008 22:38:59 ‹Greenis Grunticus› :lol:@ Yoda
30/09/2008 22:39:05 ‹Russ› Erik - I much prefer the destroyed lodge being a group
30/09/2008 22:39:15 ‹Russ› Samwise - haven't found one
30/09/2008 22:39:24 ‹Samwise› its not in pathfinder
30/09/2008 22:39:30 ‹Samwise› you said "familiar"
30/09/2008 22:39:31 ‹Charles Evans› erik: Ah, the conquistador mentions made me think spanish, since I didn't thik Byzantium had that sort of thing going on....
30/09/2008 22:39:33 ‹Samwise› how about
30/09/2008 22:39:34 ‹Daigle› If you like slightly twisted, you'll enjoy it greeny....and I take it you like slightly twisted.
30/09/2008 22:39:39 ‹David› I'm going to go to sleep...
30/09/2008 22:39:40 ‹Samwise› "Morgorath"
30/09/2008 22:39:44 ‹David› night peoples!
30/09/2008 22:39:49 ‹Daigle› Goodnight David.
30/09/2008 22:40:00 ‹TheLesuit› Night David,
30/09/2008 22:40:07 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight David.
30/09/2008 22:40:11 ‹Russ› I like the idea of good (Gygax, early Weis/Hickman, Andre Norton, Joel Rosenberg) gaming novels quite a bit, and have misgivings about ones that just meet the current industry bar :)
30/09/2008 22:40:12 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, my fiction comment is that I think that setting the books in the past is a great way to fill in details on things mentioned in timelines and in passing in the various books and allow authors to play in the world without worrying that they'll screw up the continuity of the current setting
30/09/2008 22:40:15 ‹TheLesuit› Morgorath was a deity out of Harn.
30/09/2008 22:40:27 * David plans a trip to walmart for firefly movie tommorow night...
30/09/2008 22:40:29 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Erik> Any cultures modelled after any particular indigenous cultures in real life that inspired you while making up the Gaz and the Campaign Setting??
30/09/2008 22:40:40 ‹Samwise› and also the "herald" of istus in fate of istus ;)
30/09/2008 22:40:46 ‹Russ› CE - they just sounded like conquistadores to me. Combination soldier, explorer, looter.
30/09/2008 22:40:56 ‹TheLesuit› Morgoroth was also another name for Melkeor out of the Silmarillion wasn' it?
30/09/2008 22:41:00 ‹Greenis Grunticus› ..ugh... That was el crappo grammar on my part methinks
30/09/2008 22:41:09 ‹Samwise› morgoth
30/09/2008 22:41:13 ‹Charles Evans› Thelesuit: Melkor, yes.
30/09/2008 22:41:19 ‹Russ› Morgorath is the villain in Spiderwick, I believe
30/09/2008 22:41:19 ‹Greenis Grunticus› .. Yeah.. Yoda.. Shoot me again
30/09/2008 22:41:30 ‹Samwise› heh
30/09/2008 22:41:36 ‹Samwise› everyone likes morgorath :-P
30/09/2008 22:41:37 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> I never said anything about conquistadores.
30/09/2008 22:41:37 ‹Charles Evans› Morgoroth Bauglir (funny accents missing from bauglir, sorry)
30/09/2008 22:41:38 * David quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 22:41:40 ‹Timitius› Erik: I am all for Pathfinder fiction. I'm not big game fiction fan, but I enjoyed the Eberron novels, and the Hellgate:London novel, and even the Planescape: Torment novel. Each gave me a better picture in my mind of what the world in the game was like.
30/09/2008 22:41:42 * yoda8myhead obliges
30/09/2008 22:41:57 ‹TheLesuit› In Sindarin mor = dark, gor = destruction, or something like that.
30/09/2008 22:42:02 * Daigle passes yoda a fresh clip.
30/09/2008 22:42:18 ‹Greenis Grunticus› (clutches head wound) "Thank you!"
30/09/2008 22:42:21 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> The idea of a Twin Peaks style lodge is meant to be a metaphysical space shared by the greater "lodge" of druids and related folk.
30/09/2008 22:42:30 * yoda8myhead has a DEX penalty and drops the clip into a deep ravine.
30/09/2008 22:42:34 ‹Russ› Ah, that works :)
30/09/2008 22:42:42 ‹Greenis Grunticus› :lol:
30/09/2008 22:42:43 * yoda8myhead sends Greenis Grunticus down to retrieve it...head first
30/09/2008 22:42:48 ‹Russ› Sorry, I haven't thought about Twin Peaks in years.
30/09/2008 22:42:51 ‹Charles Evans› Erik: Russ mentioned conquistadores....
30/09/2008 22:43:05 ‹Charles Evans› lodge= 'sweat lodge' group?
30/09/2008 22:43:10 ‹Russ› Russ just thought they sounded like conquistadores :)
30/09/2008 22:43:15 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> Out of curiosity... what's the difference?
30/09/2008 22:43:25 ‹Greenis Grunticus› (crawls down the ravine... and slips.. On a 4E book on the way down)
30/09/2008 22:43:27 ‹yoda8myhead› lodge = cramming something somewhere that it really doesn't fit
30/09/2008 22:43:30 ‹Russ› What's the difference between what and what?
30/09/2008 22:44:09 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> In a sense, I suppose.
30/09/2008 22:44:13 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, a lodge and a "lodge", I think
30/09/2008 22:44:22 ‹Russ› The lodge thing? I confused the twin peaks lodge as being a physical place where bad stuff happened, and the idea that they "burned down a building" is just kind of a boring footnote :)
30/09/2008 22:44:23 ‹TheLesuit› Lodge like Starry Path.
30/09/2008 22:44:35 ‹Erik Mona› The metaphysical space would be a "lodge within a lodge" or something.
30/09/2008 22:44:43 ‹Russ› If they destroyed an extraplanar dreaming place, that's much more interestng
30/09/2008 22:44:43 ‹Erik Mona› I am basically making this up as I go along.
30/09/2008 22:44:52 ‹Greenis Grunticus› :D
30/09/2008 22:44:52 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> Yeah.
30/09/2008 22:44:58 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, it shows
30/09/2008 22:45:02 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Works for me Erik!
30/09/2008 22:45:03 ‹TheLesuit› Or like Bavarian Lodge of Illuminated Elders
30/09/2008 22:45:10 ‹yoda8myhead› but it's all going in the wiki :D
30/09/2008 22:45:13 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I'm at the bottom of a ravine
30/09/2008 22:45:15 ‹Erik Mona› And we have a whole continent, Sarusan, that is tangent to such a "dreamtime space" on a titanic scale.
30/09/2008 22:45:24 ‹Erik Mona› Lesuit> It is that as well.
30/09/2008 22:45:29 ‹Russ› For starters, if they broke apart a non-place, what came in through the hole after they left?
30/09/2008 22:45:43 ‹Erik Mona› Isn't that interesting?
30/09/2008 22:45:48 ‹TheLesuit› Neato. French Canadian Bean Soup, Erik?
30/09/2008 22:45:49 ‹Greenis Grunticus› So Sarusan has an entire civilization similar to Australian aborigines??
30/09/2008 22:45:56 ‹Daigle› Dreamworld stuff is awesome. I'm interested indeed.
30/09/2008 22:46:07 * Russ loves him some dreamtime
30/09/2008 22:46:09 ‹Erik Mona› The whole Sevenarches area is meant to be mysterious and hotly contested by various factions.
30/09/2008 22:46:26 ‹Erik Mona› Greenis> Not really sure yet. Probably not such a direct lift.
30/09/2008 22:46:32 ‹yoda8myhead› Dreamworld inspired at all by Robert Jordan's Tel'aran'rihod (sp?) in Wheel of Time?
30/09/2008 22:46:34 ‹Russ› On a tangential note, I'm going to Arches National Park in a week and a half.
30/09/2008 22:46:41 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Sevenarches refer to seven ruins??
30/09/2008 22:46:47 ‹Charles Evans› Of course the non-place may have been existence imposed on some other order, so its removal would cause less disruption that its existence?
30/09/2008 22:46:50 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, have fun!
30/09/2008 22:46:58 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> I can barely remember the Jordan stuff. Is that the place where they cross over bridges and roads and stuff to travel long distances?
30/09/2008 22:47:05 ‹James Jacobs› There's probably a big dose of Lovecraft in the dream stuff too.
30/09/2008 22:47:14 ‹yoda8myhead› It's the dream world that they go into
30/09/2008 22:47:18 ‹James Jacobs› Unless this is a totally different "dream land" that we're talking bout.
30/09/2008 22:47:29 ‹yoda8myhead› not really bridges...that's The Ways
30/09/2008 22:47:29 ‹radec› the ways?
30/09/2008 22:47:33 ‹TheLesuit› Well bunyips come out of Australian myth and legend don't they?
30/09/2008 22:47:33 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Interesting relation Yoda
30/09/2008 22:47:33 ‹Erik Mona› It actually refers to seven "elfgates" similar to the Kyonin arch and various sites on ruined Azlant.
30/09/2008 22:47:43 * Sir Wulf perks up at the mention of Ol' Uncle Theobald.
30/09/2008 22:47:50 ‹Russ› Yep, tho bunyups aren't too dreamtimey as such things go
30/09/2008 22:47:53 ‹Daigle› I've been a lucid creamer since I was a kid, so any dream related stuff always gets my interest.
30/09/2008 22:47:54 ‹James Jacobs› Bunyips are indeed from Australian myth.
30/09/2008 22:48:03 ‹Erik Mona› Then I haven't read the Jordan dreamworld stuff. I petered out after about the fourth highly repetitive book.
30/09/2008 22:48:11 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Wow... Are the elfgates functional?
30/09/2008 22:48:11 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, lucid creamer?
30/09/2008 22:48:19 ‹yoda8myhead› was that Freudian or what?
30/09/2008 22:48:20 ‹Daigle› :lol:
30/09/2008 22:48:20 ‹Erik Mona› Yes.
30/09/2008 22:48:25 ‹Erik Mona› This is why they are so hotly contested.
30/09/2008 22:48:27 ‹TheLesuit› I recall a series of fantasy novels based on Dreamtime-y stuff from eons ago.
30/09/2008 22:48:36 ‹Erik Mona› Some are probably damaged or broken, but the elves figure they can fix them.
30/09/2008 22:48:38 ‹Timitius› Daigle, oh dear.
30/09/2008 22:48:48 ‹Russ› Where do they go again? The planets?
30/09/2008 22:48:55 ‹Daigle› It must be later than I thought.
30/09/2008 22:48:55 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Yeah.. Nynaeve tugging on her braids for the 50th time made me slit my wrists... As you can see... I wasn't successful :)
30/09/2008 22:49:07 ‹Daigle› The ladder awaits, but not quite yet.
30/09/2008 22:49:09 ‹James Jacobs› The elf gates form a big continental, even intercontinetal portal network.
30/09/2008 22:49:09 ‹Sir Wulf› Lumley wrote some novels riffing off of Lovecraft's Dreamlands, with a shot of Dunsany.
30/09/2008 22:49:10 ‹yoda8myhead› Lucid dreaming is essentially what Robert Jordan plays on in his Tel'aran'Rihod (sp?)
30/09/2008 22:49:38 ‹Greenis Grunticus› These elfgates lead to other worlds as well??
30/09/2008 22:49:46 ‹Daigle› Yep, yoda, I think that's why I had the patience for those books.
30/09/2008 22:49:51 ‹Blazej› Is the stairway so stars from the Desna article refering to elf gates?
30/09/2008 22:50:05 ‹Blazej› Or just a single elf gate.
30/09/2008 22:50:07 ‹James Jacobs› The elf gates don't. Well... ONE of them does. The one in Iadara leads to Sovyrian. Which may be on another world.
30/09/2008 22:50:20 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Someone was recently writing a comic series 'Fall of Cthulhu'; issue 2 was on the shelves in my UK comic store I noticed on Tuesday.
30/09/2008 22:50:27 ‹TheLesuit› No these were within the last 30 years Sir Wulf,
30/09/2008 22:50:29 ‹Blazej› May be?
30/09/2008 22:50:30 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> Yes.
30/09/2008 22:50:36 ‹James Jacobs› But there are a network of portals that link the planets. These portals are MUCH older than the elf gates, though.
30/09/2008 22:50:47 ‹Charles Evans› Anyway, I shall be off.
30/09/2008 22:50:56 ‹Blazej› Bye Charles.
30/09/2008 22:50:58 * Charles Evans collects his :cthulhu: and departs.
30/09/2008 22:51:01 ‹Greenis Grunticus› So ... Do these portals.. Are they of aboleth design??
30/09/2008 22:51:04 * Charles Evans quit
30/09/2008 22:51:06 ‹Erik Mona› James> Is correct.
30/09/2008 22:51:07 ‹James Jacobs› The stairway in the Desna article is referring to a constellation, actaully. One linked to non-elf gate portals, perhaps.
30/09/2008 22:51:09 ‹yoda8myhead› Do any of the Elf Gates lead to sunken Azlant, and if so do they leak?
30/09/2008 22:51:12 ‹James Jacobs› They are not of aboleth design.
30/09/2008 22:51:22 ‹Russ› Seems like some of the planets would be good places to hide beings you didn't want released.
30/09/2008 22:51:26 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Older than the aboleths??
30/09/2008 22:51:28 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, ooooo.
30/09/2008 22:51:30 ‹Erik Mona› Although I might suggest that the "elf gates" are patterened after these older gates, and that the Sovyrian Stone may even be one.
30/09/2008 22:51:45 ‹Sir Wulf› I sus pected that Brian Lumley's "Hero of Dreams" series might be the one you meant.
30/09/2008 22:51:51 ‹James Jacobs› Yup; The sovyrian Stone gate is one of these primal gates. The elves did base their portal stuff off these older gates.
30/09/2008 22:51:52 ‹Russ› I find that name unfortunately close to Sovreign Stone
30/09/2008 22:52:09 ‹Erik Mona› There are gates all over the ruins of Azlant, and these are fiercely guarded by the Mordant Spire elves who claim the continent's cutways as their own.
30/09/2008 22:52:16 ‹Russ› I need to work on my mental pronunciatiion of it
30/09/2008 22:52:25 ‹yoda8myhead› Will we get full disclosure on the Sovyrian Stone in Second Darkness
30/09/2008 22:52:28 ‹James Jacobs› We aren't ready to reveal who built those portals. But I suspect they have links to the mysterious architects of the ruins at the Crown of the World and the Vaults of Orv.
30/09/2008 22:52:30 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, do they leak?
30/09/2008 22:52:34 ‹TheLesuit› No it was a female author Sir Wulf, crap I cannot remember
30/09/2008 22:52:39 ‹Russ› Rhymes with Syrian?
30/09/2008 22:52:41 ‹Timitius› OK, you're all talking crazy again, so that means I should be off. :)
30/09/2008 22:52:44 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Nope; no full disclosure on the Sovyrian Stone in Second Darkness.
30/09/2008 22:52:49 ‹Blazej› Bye Tim!
30/09/2008 22:52:58 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Tim
30/09/2008 22:52:58 ‹yoda8myhead› TheLesuit, Anne McCaffrey?
30/09/2008 22:53:02 ‹Timitius› Laterz
30/09/2008 22:53:10 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Old Azlant is in the deeps of the sea isn't it? I can't remember... And the elves that guard them are in flotillas of well armed war galleys or something??
30/09/2008 22:53:12 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, that's it! I'm done buying them then.
30/09/2008 22:53:16 ‹James Jacobs› I'm pretty sure that, right now... there's a bottleneck between the elf gates on Azlant and the elf gates elsewhere. And that bottleneck is the Mordant Spire.
30/09/2008 22:53:18 ‹TheLesuit› Nope, Australian yoda8myhead,
30/09/2008 22:53:27 ‹TheLesuit› Later Timitius,
30/09/2008 22:53:31 ‹James Jacobs› Sovyrian: so VEER ee un
30/09/2008 22:54:15 ‹James Jacobs› There's parts of Azlant that still protrude above the sea. it's a maze of shattered islands, basically.
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30/09/2008 22:54:30 ‹Erik Mona› Yes.
30/09/2008 22:54:33 ‹Russ› Okay, had it close :) My brain wants to read it "Sovriyan" for some reason.
30/09/2008 22:54:58 ‹Erik Mona› Islands with tall cliffs and ruins on the top and sometimes carved into the sides.
30/09/2008 22:55:02 ‹James Jacobs› Them elves write tricksy is all.
22:55:30 ‹Greenis Grunticus› How many Pathfinders have made it to Old Azlant without getting caught and skewered by the elves?
30/09/2008 22:55:38 ‹James Jacobs› For those who are familiar with World of Warcraft; Aszhara's southeastern section is sort of the idea, I guess.
30/09/2008 22:55:39 ‹Sir Wulf› As long as their geometry is Euclidian...
30/09/2008 22:55:46 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> Very few.
30/09/2008 22:56:05 ‹James Jacobs› Azlant is pretty isolated. There's a lot of mystery there. Mostly because we haven't talked much about it.
30/09/2008 22:56:18 ‹Erik Mona› Greenis> Several.
30/09/2008 22:56:19 * Sir Wulf pictures an Elvish Rleyh..
30/09/2008 22:56:26 * Daigle is back.
30/09/2008 22:56:26 ‹Erik Mona› Several meaning over the course of history.
30/09/2008 22:56:30 ‹Daigle› What'd I miss?
30/09/2008 22:56:37 ‹Erik Mona› But very few of those who have gone there have come back alive.
30/09/2008 22:56:44 ‹Erik Mona› So James and I are both right. :)
30/09/2008 22:56:45 ‹Russ› Hmm.
30/09/2008 22:56:47 ‹TheLesuit› Aboleth swarm Daigle, we handled it
30/09/2008 22:56:49 ‹James Jacobs› Yay!
30/09/2008 22:56:51 ‹Russ› How many of those wound up somewhere else, alive?
30/09/2008 22:56:58 ‹Greenis Grunticus› The elves are using Old Azlant technology to aid them?
30/09/2008 22:57:01 ‹Erik Mona› Surely the famous Dervun Gest ventured there.
30/09/2008 22:57:02 ‹James Jacobs› It's always awesome when we contradict each other... :)
30/09/2008 22:57:04 ‹Daigle› Damn. I love swarms. ;)
30/09/2008 22:57:18 ‹TheLesuit› They wanted pie for some reason.
30/09/2008 22:57:19 ‹Erik Mona› Well, when you say "few," how many do you mean?
30/09/2008 22:57:47 ‹Daigle› Lesuit, you misunderstood. They wanted pi.
30/09/2008 22:57:53 ‹James Jacobs› When I say few... I mean not enough that what's there is common knowledge on Avistan or Garund.
30/09/2008 22:58:00 ‹Erik Mona› Absolutely agreed.
30/09/2008 22:58:08 ‹TheLesuit› I offered them a sigma and a rho
30/09/2008 22:58:12 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Not the Pathfinders I meant... They used the tech to aid themselves in their guardianship of the isles... When I think of few... Like a dozen tops??
30/09/2008 22:58:14 ‹James Jacobs› It's a place that most the world knows exists, but very few have been to.
30/09/2008 22:58:26 ‹Daigle› That certainly shold have been good enough, but nooooo...
30/09/2008 22:58:42 ‹Erik Mona› When I say "several" I mean there are probably a dozen or so accounts in the whole of the Pathfinder Chronicles relating tales of adventures there. And that's over hundreds of years.
30/09/2008 22:58:44 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> maybe. I'm hesitant to nail down exact numbers for fear that they'll find their way into a wiki and come back to bite me. ;)
30/09/2008 22:58:48 ‹Erik Mona› So it's all a matter of scale.
30/09/2008 22:58:53 ‹James Jacobs› Yup
30/09/2008 22:59:01 ‹TheLesuit› They sucked my brain out through my nasal passage...but I got better.
30/09/2008 22:59:14 ‹Erik Mona› I need to call the woman.
30/09/2008 22:59:15 ‹yoda8myhead› so no one knows about my Paizo store question? It's nearing midnight west coast time and I want to know if my cart will save the sale prices on stuff that goes off sale tomorrow, or if I need to check out before the sale ends
30/09/2008 22:59:19 ‹Erik Mona› AFK
30/09/2008 22:59:19 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, yay! :D
30/09/2008 22:59:31 ‹James Jacobs› And things certainly don't remain static in Azlant. Lots can and probably does happen there in the decades between successful visits from other regions.
30/09/2008 22:59:36 ‹Erik Mona› Lilith> The _other_ woman. Sorry!
30/09/2008 22:59:37 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I totally understand that ... It's nice to have a woman to call
30/09/2008 22:59:46 ‹Russ› I would assume the price is set when you submit the order, not when you put it in the cart
30/09/2008 22:59:48 ‹Daigle› :lol:
30/09/2008 22:59:52 ‹Blazej› :)
30/09/2008 22:59:53 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> I have no idea about your store question. Sorry!
30/09/2008 22:59:54 ‹Russ› Adn that it will update on the "checkout" link
30/09/2008 22:59:58 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, I would never put into the wiki something you requested not to
30/09/2008 23:00:13 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I don't. The paizo store's workings are something of a mystery to me. I suspect, though, that the sale only works if you buy the item while the sale is active. That seems logical to me.
30/09/2008 23:00:15 ‹Sir Wulf› Erik Mona always seemed like a straight up guy and now we hear about this mysterious "other woman"...
30/09/2008 23:00:20 * Russ likes the idea of a Pathfinder winding up very, very far from home
30/09/2008 23:00:25 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, that's what I fear
30/09/2008 23:00:26 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> Sounds like th elves with the Azlant tech are keeping the upper hand in the region though yes?
30/09/2008 23:00:28 ‹Russ› Perhaps he became one of the legends of the red planet :)
30/09/2008 23:00:31 ‹James Jacobs› But I don't know how the store works, so who knows?
30/09/2008 23:00:37 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, d'oh! #-o
30/09/2008 23:00:50 ‹TheLesuit› The Dray Prescott of Golarion.
30/09/2008 23:01:03 ‹Russ› Perhaps he's inside the hollow sphere of the world :)
30/09/2008 23:01:09 ‹yoda8myhead› oh well. I got half the Blackdyrge stuff on sale
30/09/2008 23:01:09 ‹James Jacobs› The Mordant Spire elves (which are the gray elves, btw) are pretty good about keeping stuff under wraps there, yeah.
30/09/2008 23:01:10 ‹Russ› I know, it doesn't exist!
30/09/2008 23:01:20 ‹Russ› Maybe in one of the vaults with no exit, though!
30/09/2008 23:01:42 ‹Russ› Heh. A mysterious, ancient wayfinder, found in a deep vault only recently opened by a quake. How did it get there?
30/09/2008 23:01:44 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, are Mordant Spire elves statistically different than regular elves?
30/09/2008 23:01:50 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Mordant Spire Elves will be covered a bit in the next PF Companion??
30/09/2008 23:01:51 ‹Sir Wulf› Guarded by the mysterious paisley elves...
30/09/2008 23:02:04 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yes. Mordant Spire elves = gray elves.
30/09/2008 23:02:11 ‹James Jacobs› They have different stat mods than high elves.
30/09/2008 23:02:15 ‹yoda8myhead› are they OGC?
30/09/2008 23:02:18 ‹James Jacobs› Yup
30/09/2008 23:02:24 ‹yoda8myhead› hmm
30/09/2008 23:02:37 ‹TheLesuit› Good.
30/09/2008 23:02:41 ‹James Jacobs› http://www.d20srd.org/srd/mons...elf.htm
30/09/2008 23:02:49 ‹James Jacobs› Scroll down a bit for the scoop on gray elves.
30/09/2008 23:02:50 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Shit.. LOL.. where is the Mordant Spire again?
30/09/2008 23:02:52 ‹TheLesuit› I already like that the Golarion elves are tall!!
30/09/2008 23:03:05 ‹James Jacobs› The Mordant Spire is on a peninsula west of Varisia.
30/09/2008 23:03:28 ‹TheLesuit› Varisia has a lot of crap going on.
30/09/2008 23:03:28 ‹yoda8myhead› ah, in the monster entry
30/09/2008 23:03:40 ‹Blazej› http://www.d20srd.org/srd/mons...grayElf there
30/09/2008 23:04:01 ‹Blazej› Linky, linky, link ?
30/09/2008 23:04:36 ‹Blazej› I killed the chat?
30/09/2008 23:04:45 ‹James Jacobs› Varisa does have a lot of crap going on. All the nations do; it's just that we've been focusing mostly on Varisia for the APs. That focus starts to shift around Pathfinder #16 though.
30/09/2008 23:04:54 ‹Greenis Grunticus› So the elves in Celywhatitsface and the elves that guard Old Azlant.. Is there a kinship or an animosity between the two??
30/09/2008 23:05:30 ‹Russ› Hmm.
30/09/2008 23:05:35 * Samwise quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:05:36 ‹TheLesuit› I like that it is a busy place...it is just when the streams begin to cross things get whacky.
30/09/2008 23:05:49 ‹Russ› So do they ally with the sea elves to guard beneath the waves, or do they have means of breathing water?
30/09/2008 23:05:55 * yoda8myhead can't wait for more Pathfinder...
30/09/2008 23:06:52 ‹James Jacobs› Greenis> Pathfinder 15 talks a little about the elves of Celwynvian/Mierani Forest and the elves of teh Mordant spire. They're like neighbors that come to help each other now and then, but who normally don't see much of each other. The Mordant Spire IS pretty far away from them, after all.
30/09/2008 23:07:16 ‹James Jacobs› The Mordant Spire elves have to use magic to go under water. They DO have alliances with the aquatic elves though.
30/09/2008 23:07:29 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Wow... I really need to check those maps again
30/09/2008 23:07:45 ‹Russ› Be kind of neat if they made them, way way back :)
30/09/2008 23:07:49 ‹James Jacobs› The Mordant Spire doesn't show up on the Varisia map, for example. It's only on the world map.
30/09/2008 23:08:00 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Mordant Spire Elves kick the crap out of Linnorm Kings raiders?
23:08:19 ‹Russ› (made the aquatic elves, that is)
30/09/2008 23:08:34 ‹James Jacobs› The aquatic elves kinda made themselves, actaully. Elves in Golarion take on the aspects of their environment after several generations, which is why elves that live in the desert are different than those who live in the forest and those are different from those who live in the ice.
30/09/2008 23:08:51 ‹TheLesuit› James Jacobs, have you read any of the Tales of the Malazan?
30/09/2008 23:08:59 ‹James Jacobs› Aquatic elves are likely coastal elves who spent much time at sea. They probably diverged from the Mordant Spire, i suspect, or from Azlant when it sunk.
30/09/2008 23:09:00 * Samwise quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:09:13 ‹James Jacobs› TheLesuit> Nope.
30/09/2008 23:09:20 ‹TheLesuit› There are some interesting elf variants in there.
30/09/2008 23:09:20 ‹James Jacobs› Never heard of it.
30/09/2008 23:09:25 ‹yoda8myhead› will we see stats for the winged people of Cheliax or the gilled Azlanti any time in the future that you know of, James or Erik?
30/09/2008 23:09:28 ‹Sir Wulf› Will we see desert elves soon?
30/09/2008 23:09:29 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Mordant Spire is the last tip on the island chain on the world map
30/09/2008 23:09:42 ‹James Jacobs› Gilled azlanti will be in the Absalom book, I believe.
30/09/2008 23:09:55 ‹James Jacobs› The winged people of Cheliax MIGHT be in AP 5. Not sure yet.
30/09/2008 23:10:03 ‹Daigle› Where'd I miss winged people?
30/09/2008 23:10:09 ‹Daigle› CS?
30/09/2008 23:10:13 ‹James Jacobs› Desert Elves aren't gonna show up any time soon. But Snow Elves will appear in Pathfinder 17.
30/09/2008 23:10:22 ‹yoda8myhead› They're in Devil's Perch in western Cheliax
30/09/2008 23:10:29 ‹Daigle› Gracias
30/09/2008 23:10:29 ‹Greenis Grunticus› The same time you missed Scarlett Johanssen come in and blow JJ a kiss
30/09/2008 23:10:45 ‹James Jacobs› DAMNIT! I missed that too. And that's the type of thing I don't want to miss.
30/09/2008 23:10:49 * James Jacobs sulks.
30/09/2008 23:10:54 ‹Greenis Grunticus› :D
30/09/2008 23:10:56 ‹Russ› She's taken now anyway
30/09/2008 23:11:04 ‹TheLesuit› The Malazan Throne books are big enough to down a small child with if hurled. Monster sized. And there are 9 of them so far.
30/09/2008 23:11:11 ‹TheLesuit› Not for the faint hearted.
30/09/2008 23:11:12 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I give them 1 year tops :razz:
30/09/2008 23:11:14 * yoda8myhead is glad Greenis Grunticus added the "a kiss" to that sentence as he was worried the chat would qickly leave it's nice place in the PG-13/R realm
30/09/2008 23:11:16 ‹TheLesuit› Steven Erikson.
30/09/2008 23:11:28 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Lesuit I love the Malazan books
30/09/2008 23:11:29 * Samwise quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:11:29 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that the winged people are gonna be something like bird men or something. Dunno.
30/09/2008 23:11:49 ‹yoda8myhead› please, not like the sham that was in Races of the Wild
30/09/2008 23:11:49 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Lesuit> Did you read Toll the Hounds?
30/09/2008 23:12:02 ‹yoda8myhead› or Destiny or whichever crap WotC race book they came out in
30/09/2008 23:12:13 ‹James Jacobs› They aren't gonna be raptorains. The problem with Raptorians is that they tried to hard to balance them as PC races. That's not how to design a flying race.
30/09/2008 23:12:14 ‹Russ› Races of the Wild.
30/09/2008 23:12:20 ‹TheLesuit› That is either the next one I need to read or the one I just read Greenis Grunticus,
30/09/2008 23:12:24 ‹James Jacobs› Avariel are closer to where we're going with them, I suspect.
30/09/2008 23:12:34 ‹James Jacobs› or maybe aaracracoa
30/09/2008 23:12:37 ‹Russ› Separate wings, or part of the arms?
30/09/2008 23:12:40 ‹James Jacobs› I mangled that spelling. Poop.
30/09/2008 23:12:45 ‹James Jacobs› Not sure yet.
30/09/2008 23:12:50 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Lesuit> Toll the Hounds goes back to Darujhistan
30/09/2008 23:12:56 ‹TheLesuit› I was seeing some parallels between Erikson's treatment of dragons and that in the PF.
30/09/2008 23:12:58 ‹Russ› I love the old winged folk article in Dragon.
30/09/2008 23:12:59 * Samwise quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:13:03 ‹James Jacobs› If we're going the avariel route, wings and arms will be separate.
30/09/2008 23:13:04 ‹TheLesuit› Oooooo...that is the next one then.
30/09/2008 23:13:07 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Lesuit> And Traveller is in it
30/09/2008 23:13:15 ‹Russ› Avarieals are basically them.
30/09/2008 23:13:42 ‹James Jacobs› And since I enjoyed writing about the avarials for Races of Faerun, that's a pretty strong indicator of where my own sensibilities lie. :)
30/09/2008 23:13:44 ‹TheLesuit› thanks Greenis Grunticus,
30/09/2008 23:13:56 ‹James Jacobs› THAT SAID: I do like aaracracocckooa even though I can't spell that word tonight.
30/09/2008 23:14:00 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Lesuit> Ian Esslemont came out with a new Malazan book - Return of the Crimson Guard.. It's thick.. I haven't read it yet
30/09/2008 23:14:24 ‹TheLesuit› GG > I haven 't read any Esslemont.
30/09/2008 23:14:28 * Samwise quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:15:07 ‹TheLesuit› GG> I probably need to road trip to Canada to get the latest.
30/09/2008 23:15:18 * Russ quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:15:31 ‹James Jacobs› OK!
30/09/2008 23:15:33 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Lesuit> Read the Night of Knives... It goes into the history of Dassem Ultor and delves into the night when Emporer Kellanved and .. Damn.. well, before he ascends
30/09/2008 23:15:35 ‹TheLesuit› ConFusion in Victoria in October might run some PFS.
30/09/2008 23:15:50 ‹TheLesuit› Thanks Greenis Grunticus, will do.
30/09/2008 23:15:59 * Samwise quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:16:07 ‹Greenis Grunticus› JJ> MOrdant Spore Elves vs Linnorm Kings raiders
30/09/2008 23:16:10 ‹James Jacobs› I am runnign out of steam. (Note the misspelling of "running" back there for proof.) Any more last minute questions?
30/09/2008 23:16:20 ‹TheLesuit› Mr. Jacobs, I recommend Gardens of the Moon.
30/09/2008 23:16:23 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Mordant Spire elves FTW?
30/09/2008 23:16:41 * Daigle is questionless.
30/09/2008 23:16:43 ‹James Jacobs› Mordant Spire elves are too tricksy for the Linnorm Kings to mess with, I suspect. The Linnorm Kings probaly think the elves are too magic to mess with, and limit their raids to themsevles.
30/09/2008 23:16:52 * Lilith has nothing! :ohnoes:
30/09/2008 23:17:22 * Samwise quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:17:23 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Linnorm raiders go far south as Cheliax!?
30/09/2008 23:17:26 * yoda8myhead is all tapped out
30/09/2008 23:17:30 ‹James Jacobs› In a throw down fight, a Linnorm King can take a Mordant Spire elf, especially in an ambuish. But if the elf uses his magic, he wins.
23:17:50 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Didn't a group of raiders slip into The Inner Sea??
30/09/2008 23:17:54 ‹James Jacobs› Linnorm raiders probably do go as far south as Cheliax. They haven't recently, and probably won't until we do a Linnorm King adventrue or Adventrue Path.
30/09/2008 23:17:56 ‹TheLesuit› Are there actual linnorms in the Land of the Linnorm Kings?
30/09/2008 23:17:59 ‹James Jacobs› yes
30/09/2008 23:18:06 ‹Daigle› Thanks for all the tasty bits tonight, James.
30/09/2008 23:18:06 ‹TheLesuit› Cool beans.
30/09/2008 23:18:15 ‹James Jacobs› In order to become a Linnorm King, one has to defeat a linnorm in single combat.
30/09/2008 23:18:24 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Holy shit
30/09/2008 23:18:28 ‹TheLesuit› Wow. Cool.
30/09/2008 23:18:34 ‹Greenis Grunticus› That's hard core
30/09/2008 23:18:51 * Lilith quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:19:04 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. Now... linnorms in Golarion aren't the same as the ones in the MM2 from WotC, remember. They're still tough... but they're not Epic as a general rule.
30/09/2008 23:19:16 ‹Greenis Grunticus› ok
30/09/2008 23:19:17 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect most linnorms in Golarion run from CR 10 to 20.
30/09/2008 23:19:26 ‹TheLesuit› But tougher than tazelwurms.
30/09/2008 23:19:33 ‹TheLesuit› Okay, way tougher.
30/09/2008 23:19:41 ‹James Jacobs› And the tatzylwyrm is actually probably a lesser linnorm, if not an actaully linnorm.
30/09/2008 23:19:53 ‹Greenis Grunticus› So the best way to get good press in the Land of the Linnorm Kings... beat a linnorm worm in single combat:)
30/09/2008 23:20:00 ‹James Jacobs› Anyway! Thanks all for stopping by!
30/09/2008 23:20:07 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Ty JJ
30/09/2008 23:20:10 ‹yoda8myhead› Greenis Grunticus, a CR 10 one, not the 20 one
30/09/2008 23:20:13 ‹James Jacobs› I'm outa here! And likely off to play me some YOU KNOW WHAT!!!
30/09/2008 23:20:14 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Rock on!!
30/09/2008 23:20:19 ‹Daigle› Thanks for YOU stopping by James, Have a good evening.
30/09/2008 23:20:21 ‹yoda8myhead› g'night James! Thanks for all the great info
30/09/2008 23:20:24 ‹TheLesuit› Goodnight JJ.
30/09/2008 23:20:29 ‹James Jacobs› No prob! Talk to ya all next time!
30/09/2008 23:20:30 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Spore??
30/09/2008 23:20:35 ‹Russ› Night James.
30/09/2008 23:20:39 ‹James Jacobs› Nah. Spore is prolly off my list.
30/09/2008 23:20:47 ‹Greenis Grunticus› WOW??
30/09/2008 23:21:01 ‹James Jacobs› I can only get it to run like 20% of the time, and when it DOES run, it just reminds me of other games I like better.
30/09/2008 23:21:10 ‹James Jacobs› I do indeed speak of World of Warcraft, of course. :)
30/09/2008 23:21:19 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Oh crizzap
30/09/2008 23:21:21 ‹Russ› Greenis - note that at least one of them is believed to be lying about having beaten a linnorm
30/09/2008 23:21:28 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Have fun storming the castle
30/09/2008 23:21:40 ‹James Jacobs› Yup; also, at least one of the Linnorm Kings has defeated multiple linnorms.
30/09/2008 23:22:01 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'm out! Seeya all later!
30/09/2008 23:22:04 ‹Greenis Grunticus› W- I mean .. Holy freeholees!
30/09/2008 23:22:08 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Later JJ
30/09/2008 23:22:10 ‹Daigle› Peace.
30/09/2008 23:22:11 ‹Greenis Grunticus› And thanks
30/09/2008 23:22:32 ‹Russ› Eh. Who hasn't soloed dragons? :)
30/09/2008 23:22:48 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Well... I haven't :sad:
30/09/2008 23:23:00 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Without cheating
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30/09/2008 23:23:04 ‹yoda8myhead› Even Drizzt needed Ulfgar
30/09/2008 23:23:05 ‹TheLesuit› So Greenis Grunticus, I take it you are a Erikson fan somewhat?
30/09/2008 23:23:17 ‹Daigle› I stick to only non-true dragons.
30/09/2008 23:23:18 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Most definitely Lesuit
30/09/2008 23:23:24 ‹TheLesuit› Same here GG.
30/09/2008 23:23:46 ‹TheLesuit› Reminded me of early Black Company books.
30/09/2008 23:23:52 ‹Erik Mona› Wings and arms should be seperate, and avariel is not exactly the way to go because they are elves, whereas these are not.
30/09/2008 23:23:53 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Huge I would say.. Not enough to stick around on the Malazan forums though
30/09/2008 23:23:57 ‹TheLesuit› But with way more depth and character development.
30/09/2008 23:24:01 ‹Erik Mona› The Chelaxian ones, I'm talking about.
30/09/2008 23:24:05 ‹Erik Mona› (Still catching up.)
30/09/2008 23:24:10 ‹Russ› So going back closer to the original winged folks?
30/09/2008 23:24:13 ‹TheLesuit› I guess those forums exploded eh?
30/09/2008 23:24:25 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, like Flash Gordon hawkmen?
30/09/2008 23:25:03 ‹Erik Mona› Maybe.
30/09/2008 23:25:09 ‹Erik Mona› Or maybe aarakokra types.
30/09/2008 23:25:09 ‹yoda8myhead› or Angel from the X-Men?
30/09/2008 23:25:10 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I've heard that he is similar to Cook .. Never have Black Company books though... I dunno... Sometimes I go on the announcements in the forums and try and see what Steve Erikson is up to
30/09/2008 23:25:14 ‹Erik Mona› We're keeping our options open for now.
23:25:45 ‹Russ› Separate wings PLUS feathers all over would be a nice change.
30/09/2008 23:25:53 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, you mentioned sharing WAR's sketch for the Absalom cover, was that just teasing?
30/09/2008 23:25:57 ‹Erik Mona› Sort of like Angel from X-Men, but more outdoorsy and rustic/feral.
30/09/2008 23:26:05 ‹Erik Mona› No, I'm going to try to get that on the blog.
30/09/2008 23:26:08 ‹Sir Wulf› Time for bed. Goodnight, folks!
30/09/2008 23:26:12 ‹TheLesuit› You should check them out Greenis Grunticus, the early one's anyway.
30/09/2008 23:26:19 ‹TheLesuit› Night Sir Wulf,
30/09/2008 23:26:21 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Wulf
30/09/2008 23:26:22 ‹Russ› They should have an extra eyelid :)
30/09/2008 23:26:57 ‹Russ› (for keeping the debris out)
30/09/2008 23:27:03 * Lilith quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:27:07 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Are the winged folk allied with the Cheliaxian rulership?
30/09/2008 23:28:36 ‹TheLesuit› All those W<something> and the W<something> books.
30/09/2008 23:28:45 ‹Moth Working› TheLesuit, he does indeed
30/09/2008 23:29:02 ‹Greenis Grunticus› The nation of Nidal is all shadow worship isn't it??
30/09/2008 23:29:05 ‹TheLesuit› Mr. Mona I really have to say you are resurrecting some very fond memories with your latest Planet Stories.
30/09/2008 23:29:16 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik, would it be wishful thinking to hope for a Pathfinder novel or short story collection at GenCon next year, to launch along side the RPG?
30/09/2008 23:29:25 * Lilith quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:29:28 ‹yoda8myhead› Greenis Grunticus, yeah. They love them some ZK
30/09/2008 23:29:29 ‹TheLesuit› Ginger Star and Hounds of Skaith were some of my favorites as a kid.
30/09/2008 23:29:34 * yoda8myhead thinks that's where he'd live
30/09/2008 23:29:37 ‹Russ› Damn, he's old!
30/09/2008 23:29:49 ‹Erik Mona› Lesuit> Otis Adelbert Kline?
30/09/2008 23:29:56 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> Probably.
30/09/2008 23:29:57 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Yoda is into worshipping darkness eh?
30/09/2008 23:30:10 ‹Erik Mona› The winged folk are rebels against the Chelaxian rulership.
30/09/2008 23:30:30 ‹Daigle› A fake angels versus fake devils kinda thing?
30/09/2008 23:30:44 ‹Erik Mona› Moth> I have "The Walrus and the Warwolf" signed and will put it out in 2009.
30/09/2008 23:30:49 ‹yoda8myhead› well, I really like Zon-Kuthon. less for the darkness as much as the BDSM aspects, even though I'm not personally a practitioner of said behaviors...I just think it makes a kickass god
30/09/2008 23:30:55 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Are the Cheliaxians actively involved in a pogrom against the winged folk?
30/09/2008 23:30:55 ‹Erik Mona› China Mieville wrote me a great introduction!
30/09/2008 23:31:06 ‹Russ› Yay.
30/09/2008 23:31:07 ‹Daigle› Sexy!
30/09/2008 23:31:10 ‹Russ› Fun way to make a living :)
30/09/2008 23:31:22 ‹Greenis Grunticus› I loved Perdido Street Station
30/09/2008 23:31:23 ‹Erik Mona› Ah. The Bracketts. They are great.
30/09/2008 23:31:36 ‹TheLesuit› I really enjoy China Mieville. But I never read Otis Adelbert Kline.
30/09/2008 23:31:43 ‹Moth Working› Erik- cool! Good choice .... but why not The Wizards and the Warriors out of interest (I guess because Walrus and Warwolf is arguably a better story...)
30/09/2008 23:31:50 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Lent the book to an acquaintance.. Never got it back ... GRRRRRRRRRRR!
30/09/2008 23:31:50 ‹Erik Mona› Greenis> They've burned out their settlements a few times.
30/09/2008 23:32:11 ‹Erik Mona› Moth> That, and because it's the first book never to be reprinted in full in the United States.
30/09/2008 23:32:57 ‹Erik Mona› The series stopped a third of the way into that book (called "Lord of the Sword" here in the US), and Hugh was never published in America again.
30/09/2008 23:33:01 ‹Erik Mona› Which is a damn shame.
30/09/2008 23:33:07 ‹TheLesuit› Yeah Moth and Erik> I remember I bought my copy in London at one point.
30/09/2008 23:33:11 ‹Erik Mona› I am very interested to see what people think of that book.
30/09/2008 23:33:14 ‹Erik Mona› Some are going to hate it.
30/09/2008 23:33:32 ‹TheLesuit› I think I still have it on my shelf though.
30/09/2008 23:33:44 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Crap.. Title of the book please?
30/09/2008 23:33:52 ‹Erik Mona› I think a large number of people do not "get" Hugh Cook.
30/09/2008 23:33:55 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, I took your (biased) advice and got Northwest of Earth, by the way
30/09/2008 23:33:57 ‹TheLesuit› Walrus and Warwolf.
30/09/2008 23:34:06 ‹Erik Mona› And since his books are so long, they are a significant financial gamble.
30/09/2008 23:34:12 ‹Moth Working› Wow, that really sucks that the rest of the series was never printed over there (well ... up to book 10 anyway - he never quite got 11-20 published....)
30/09/2008 23:34:14 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> Good for you!
30/09/2008 23:34:28 ‹Erik Mona› To say nothing of books 20-60!
30/09/2008 23:34:36 ‹yoda8myhead› how long is Walrus and Warwolf?
30/09/2008 23:34:38 ‹TheLesuit› He wrote that many!!!
30/09/2008 23:34:51 ‹Daigle› yoda, don't you work in the morning?
30/09/2008 23:34:54 ‹yoda8myhead› is that all one series? 60 books?
30/09/2008 23:35:01 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, ssssssh
30/09/2008 23:35:12 ‹yoda8myhead› I go to work. What I actually do there is a different matter
30/09/2008 23:35:24 ‹Daigle› I was gonna piss and moan, but then I noticed that you were still on. ;)
30/09/2008 23:35:34 ‹Moth Working› I think the Chronicles of an Age of Darkness were supposed to finish with Book 20. 21-40 and 41-60 were going to be set in different time frames or on different worlds, but related to the Age of Darkness stories somehow
30/09/2008 23:35:38 ‹yoda8myhead› since it's already 2:35, I might as well wait for the blog and then crash
30/09/2008 23:35:51 ‹TheLesuit› You were going to piss and moan Daigle, ...and this would be new?
30/09/2008 23:36:03 ‹yoda8myhead› how long is each book?
30/09/2008 23:36:05 ‹Daigle› Lesuit, you know that is incorrect.
30/09/2008 23:36:36 ‹Moth Working› Yoda - I'm not sure of the page count ... probably about the same length as Magician by Fiest - or a bit longer maybe?
30/09/2008 23:36:50 * TheLesuit thinks Daigle, 's panties might be twisted.
23:37:05 ‹Moth Working› That is The Walrus and the Warwolf anyway - it is by far the longest book of the series
30/09/2008 23:37:12 ‹Daigle› Nah, I've got the comfortable ones on tonight.
30/09/2008 23:37:19 * yoda8myhead thinks Daigle is going commando, yet is still somehow disturbingly twsted
30/09/2008 23:37:31 ‹Daigle› :lol:
30/09/2008 23:37:34 * TheLesuit knew yoda8myhead, was thinking that.
30/09/2008 23:37:37 ‹Erik Mona› It's going to be at least 600 pages.
30/09/2008 23:37:54 ‹Erik Mona› I need to find a way to cut that down, and am experimenting on things that do not change any of the text.
30/09/2008 23:38:07 ‹Erik Mona› We'll probably run it in a smaller font, for example, and may use thinner paper.
30/09/2008 23:38:17 ‹TheLesuit› Now I need to reread those Erik Mona,
30/09/2008 23:38:23 ‹Erik Mona› The Corgi edition is, I believe, something like 738 pages.
30/09/2008 23:38:25 ‹yoda8myhead› print in red and blue ink and sell it with a decoder to read only one color at a time
30/09/2008 23:38:33 * radec quit (timeout)
30/09/2008 23:38:35 ‹Erik Mona› Not by far.
30/09/2008 23:39:23 ‹TheLesuit› They weren't cheap books even back then.
30/09/2008 23:39:30 ‹Erik Mona› It only has 60 pages on The Witchlord and the Weaponmaster.
30/09/2008 23:40:05 ‹Daigle› I take it trade paperback would be more expensive than mass market to print?
30/09/2008 23:40:25 ‹TheLesuit› I guess I need to smuggle the one's I don't have across the border from Canada.
30/09/2008 23:41:01 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik, two last questions and then I think I'm out for the night: do you yet have a name decided upon for the monster book, and is the blog that goes live in 20 minutes worth me staying up to read right away?
30/09/2008 23:41:28 ‹Erik Mona› The Corgi edition is 779 pages, btw.
30/09/2008 23:41:37 ‹Greenis Grunticus› TheLesuit> You wouldn't happen to know of any decent sci-fi/fantasy bookstores near Toronto Canada would you?
30/09/2008 23:41:42 ‹Erik Mona› Trade Paperback, yeah.
30/09/2008 23:41:59 ‹TheLesuit› If Boolan has a branch there they are the best in Victoria.
30/09/2008 23:42:12 ‹Erik Mona› No name for monster book yet, and I have no idea what today's blog is.
30/09/2008 23:42:13 ‹TheLesuit› I have a buddy in Toronto though, so I can find one for you.
30/09/2008 23:42:17 ‹Greenis Grunticus› ok ty
30/09/2008 23:42:31 ‹Daigle› What size are the Planet Stories books?
30/09/2008 23:42:58 ‹Daigle› NM
30/09/2008 23:42:58 ‹Russ› That reminds me, Erik - if you have a want list, I'd be happy to scour Smith Family books for it. They have a few oldies on the shelves.
30/09/2008 23:43:00 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, big enough that my local stores put them with the oversized books and not with the mass markets
30/09/2008 23:43:02 ‹yoda8myhead› idiots
30/09/2008 23:43:17 ‹Daigle› I just checked.
30/09/2008 23:43:59 ‹Greenis Grunticus› Well gents.. I must be off... Erik Mona it is an honor and a pleasure to have you in on the Paizo chats.. Thanks for your patience and your answers! Good night everyone!
30/09/2008 23:44:06 ‹Russ› Hmm. They seem like a pretty standard trade size (if there is such a thing)
30/09/2008 23:44:10 * Greenis Grunticus quit
30/09/2008 23:44:12 ‹TheLesuit› Night GG.
30/09/2008 23:44:25 ‹Daigle› They're trade paperback.
30/09/2008 23:44:45 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, they're slightly taller than mass markets, and thus didn't fit on the narrow shelves they crammed together in the main sci-fi section
30/09/2008 23:45:09 ‹Daigle› Which cuts down on the page count, but its rough trying to fiddle with 600-700 pages.
30/09/2008 23:45:14 ‹Russ› Lot less coming out in mass market paperback these days, sighs
30/09/2008 23:45:38 ‹yoda8myhead› there's plenty of pulp crap coming out in mm
30/09/2008 23:45:45 ‹yoda8myhead› not much I want, though
30/09/2008 23:45:55 ‹TheLesuit› Well Erik Mona, you would be amused (I think) I'm adapting Reckoning to run as a side jaunt for my Runelords campaign.
30/09/2008 23:46:08 ‹TheLesuit› Full of Brendigund goodness.
30/09/2008 23:46:16 ‹Daigle› I don't like small books. I'll choose trade anytime if I get the chance.
30/09/2008 23:46:57 ‹yoda8myhead› I prefer the price on mass markets, more often than not. I rarely reread books, so I don't need higher quality paper and such
30/09/2008 23:47:55 ‹TheLesuit› Most of my Malazan Throne books are trade -- hate waiting for mass market on those.
30/09/2008 23:48:30 * Wyvern joins Main
30/09/2008 23:48:34 ‹Daigle› mm just look stupid on my shelves.
30/09/2008 23:48:37 ‹Daigle› :P
30/09/2008 23:48:50 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wyvern
30/09/2008 23:48:54 ‹TheLesuit› You need smaller shelves Daigle,
30/09/2008 23:48:59 ‹TheLesuit› Hey Wyvern,
30/09/2008 23:49:10 ‹Wyvern› Rehi!
30/09/2008 23:49:12 ‹Daigle› Lesuit, that *is* a solution!
30/09/2008 23:49:12 ‹Russ› I like anything, but usually old
30/09/2008 23:49:30 ‹Russ› My PB are well over half by count, but < half by shelf space
30/09/2008 23:49:43 ‹Russ› Erik's library clearly shames my own :)
30/09/2008 23:50:02 ‹Erik Mona› I don't really have a "want list" per se.
23:50:34 ‹Erik Mona› I have 21 unread fantasy anthologies on my desk, and I just bought five more on Friday.
30/09/2008 23:50:46 ‹Daigle› Recently I've been keeping my library spread throughout a half dozen elaborate buildings across town.
30/09/2008 23:51:11 ‹Daigle› It's much easier that way.
30/09/2008 23:51:31 ‹Russ› Okay.
30/09/2008 23:51:42 ‹Erik Mona› I'll let you know if I think of something.
30/09/2008 23:51:52 ‹Erik Mona› But honestly I need to do less time collecting and more time reading.
30/09/2008 23:52:02 ‹Russ› It sounds like I should be raiding their double books more.
30/09/2008 23:52:31 ‹Russ› Yeah, I have enough books to keep me reading until I retire
30/09/2008 23:53:10 ‹Russ› And enough game stuff to run for 20 years :(
30/09/2008 23:53:53 ‹Erik Mona› Well, I think I'm going to turn in for the night.
30/09/2008 23:54:00 ‹Erik Mona› It's been a pleasure chatting with you all!
30/09/2008 23:54:07 ‹Russ› Sleep the sleep of the wicked!
30/09/2008 23:54:07 ‹TheLesuit› Good night Mr. Mona.
30/09/2008 23:54:13 ‹Blazej› Bye Mona!
30/09/2008 23:54:29 * ollibolli @ work joins Main
30/09/2008 23:54:40 ‹TheLesuit› Hey Ollibolli.
30/09/2008 23:54:48 ‹ollibolli @ work› gn8 Mr. Mona
30/09/2008 23:54:53 ‹ollibolli @ work› Hi
30/09/2008 23:54:55 ‹Lilith› Night, O Mono-Eyed One! :glomp:
30/09/2008 23:54:57 ‹yoda8myhead› night Erik
30/09/2008 23:55:00 * Russ is watching tv for a bit more, catching up on Terminator
30/09/2008 23:55:13 * Erik Mona quit (timeout)
20:03:18 ‹Jal Dorak› No Paizo crew yet?
07/10/2008 20:03:22 ‹greengrunt› Nay
07/10/2008 20:03:22 ‹David› nope
07/10/2008 20:03:24 ‹Pygon› any second now
07/10/2008 20:03:32 ‹TheLesuit› The tension is thick.
07/10/2008 20:03:44 ‹Jal Dorak› Waaiiit for it....waaiiiit for it...
07/10/2008 20:03:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› Now!
07/10/2008 20:03:57 ‹greengrunt› That it is... And I actually had questions tonight :razz:
07/10/2008 20:03:59 * David goes to cut the tension with a knife and gets TheLesuit instead
07/10/2008 20:04:03 ‹TheLesuit› Now!
07/10/2008 20:04:05 ‹Rambling Scribe› Damn.
07/10/2008 20:04:08 ‹TheLesuit› Ouch.
07/10/2008 20:04:11 * Sir Wulf Multitasker leaps from his chair in amazement!
07/10/2008 20:04:12 * James Jacobs joins Main
07/10/2008 20:04:15 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy James Jacobs!
07/10/2008 20:04:20 ‹Pygon› close :) hi James!
07/10/2008 20:04:22 ‹greengrunt› Hey JAMES!
07/10/2008 20:04:23 ‹David› hi James!
07/10/2008 20:04:25 ‹TheLesuit› I was going to say the tension is thick...like David,
07/10/2008 20:04:27 ‹Rambling Scribe› I was pretty close!
07/10/2008 20:04:29 ‹Daigle› Howdy James
07/10/2008 20:04:30 ‹James Jacobs› Hi Everybody!
07/10/2008 20:04:31 ‹TheLesuit› tada
07/10/2008 20:04:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi JJ!
07/10/2008 20:04:40 * Nychus joins Main
07/10/2008 20:04:42 ‹David› TheLesuit, ha ha ha...also ha
07/10/2008 20:04:51 * Jal Dorak shouts JAMES JACOBS!
07/10/2008 20:04:52 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Nychus
07/10/2008 20:04:54 ‹greengrunt› Hello Nychus
07/10/2008 20:05:03 ‹Daigle› Howdy Nychus
07/10/2008 20:05:08 ‹Sir Wulf Multitasker› Hey, look! That James jacobs guy stopped in!!
07/10/2008 20:05:11 ‹Nychus› Hi folks
07/10/2008 20:05:27 ‹TheLesuit› We totally weren't expecting him were we?
07/10/2008 20:05:39 ‹James Jacobs› I sure wasn't!
07/10/2008 20:05:41 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Can you tell us anything about the realm of Rostland??
07/10/2008 20:05:42 ‹Nychus› Looks like my timings perfect tonight
07/10/2008 20:05:50 ‹Sir Wulf Multitasker› Just one of those odd coincidences.
07/10/2008 20:05:54 ‹TheLesuit› Sort of like the Spanish Inquisition.
07/10/2008 20:05:57 ‹Jal Dorak› How great would it have been if someone asked during the debate "When do I get my copy of Second Darkness 14?"
07/10/2008 20:05:57 * Justin Sluder can feel the awesome level of the chat increase with the presence of Paizo in the room :jedi:
07/10/2008 20:06:13 ‹Hill Giant› TheLesuit, but does JJ have a comfy chair?
07/10/2008 20:06:30 ‹greengrunt› I got an email from Paizo stating that PF14 would be shipped on the 10th of Oct
07/10/2008 20:06:35 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> I can tell you nothing about the realm of Rostland without another clue about what that realm might be...
07/10/2008 20:06:40 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, I got PF14!
07/10/2008 20:06:44 ‹Skeld› Jal Dorak, I'm considering stealing your name
07/10/2008 20:06:56 ‹Jal Dorak› Skeld, why would that be?
07/10/2008 20:06:59 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah! PF14 is finally here!!!
07/10/2008 20:07:10 ‹James Jacobs› Aliens and all!
07/10/2008 20:07:14 ‹greengrunt› JJ> :shock: Well .. Shit.. Does Aldorian swordlords ring a bell?
07/10/2008 20:07:19 ‹Pygon› I hear it looks really fun! But I don't know! Because I don't have the PDF yet!
07/10/2008 20:07:25 ‹TheLesuit› Oooo...I am so not opening the cover...'cause I want to play it.
07/10/2008 20:07:32 ‹yoda8myhead› I noticed that the solar system article is called 2 different things. One in the contents and one in the article itself
07/10/2008 20:07:35 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Nope.
07/10/2008 20:07:42 ‹Skeld› for the SWRPG game i'm going to DM ... one of the players was having a hard time coming up with a name, your sounded particularly star wars-y to me
07/10/2008 20:07:46 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Where's it from?
07/10/2008 20:07:46 * Ross joins Main
07/10/2008 20:07:47 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Oops.. Aldori swordlords
07/10/2008 20:07:56 ‹Daigle› Howdy Ross
07/10/2008 20:08:08 ‹greengrunt› Pathfinder Gazetteer.. In the River Kingdoms entry
07/10/2008 20:08:09 ‹TheLesuit› Hey Ross,
07/10/2008 20:08:15 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Ross
07/10/2008 20:08:16 ‹greengrunt› Hi Ross
07/10/2008 20:08:20 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> That sounds a LITTLE more familiar. Ah. I haven't read the River Kingdoms entry, so there ya go.
07/10/2008 20:08:24 ‹TheLesuit› The Aldori are those guys who kick ass.
07/10/2008 20:08:36 ‹greengrunt› Well... Crap... ](*,)
07/10/2008 20:08:51 ‹greengrunt› Yeah they're in exile from Rostland
07/10/2008 20:08:51 ‹Jal Dorak› Ironically, I first used it in conjunction with Star Wars online chats. Feel free. "Dorak" is an entry in Wookiepedia.
07/10/2008 20:08:54 ‹Justin Sluder› greengrunt, Brevoy?
07/10/2008 20:09:02 ‹greengrunt› And they teach some badass swordplay
07/10/2008 20:09:06 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, does the solar system have a name? Or the sun?
07/10/2008 20:09:07 ‹Jal Dorak› But I beat them to it by about 10 years.
07/10/2008 20:09:07 ‹James Jacobs› The nations chapter in the hardcover is actually the part of the book I'm least familiar with, alas.
07/10/2008 20:09:09 ‹Pygon› Skeld - Moff Rimmer is another frequenter
07/10/2008 20:09:15 * Eyebite joins Main
07/10/2008 20:09:19 * Butterfrog joins Main
07/10/2008 20:09:27 ‹Pygon› hi Eyebite, Frog
07/10/2008 20:09:31 ‹Daigle› Howdy Eyebite and Butterfrog
07/10/2008 20:09:32 ‹TheLesuit› Hey Eyebite, and Senor Frog,
07/10/2008 20:09:32 ‹greengrunt› Hi Eyebite.. Hi Butterfrog
07/10/2008 20:09:46 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The solar system does not have a name, really. The sun's just the sun, though some folk probably call it Sarenrae or some such.
07/10/2008 20:09:48 ‹Skeld› Jal Dorak, interesting ... i considered suggesting Crusader of Logic to him, just so i could destroy his character .... it seemed wrong
07/10/2008 20:09:53 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Eyebite and Butterfrog
07/10/2008 20:09:59 ‹Butterfrog› Hi all
07/10/2008 20:10:04 ‹David› hi Eyebite and buttery frog!
07/10/2008 20:10:05 ‹Butterfrog› Hola LeTraje
07/10/2008 20:10:13 ‹Butterfrog› wow...full chatroom
07/10/2008 20:10:15 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I asked this at the Paizo forum a couple hours ago, but are there any non-skymetal sources of adamantine in Golarion?
07/10/2008 20:10:21 ‹Eyebite› Hey Pygon!,Lesuit, grunt!
07/10/2008 20:10:23 * Coffee Wench Lilith runs over and glomps James Jacobs! :squee::glomp:
07/10/2008 20:10:25 ‹Eyebite› Hey justin
07/10/2008 20:10:26 ‹greengrunt› That is weird... I had a name of a goddess in an old homebrew from Palladium RPG named Saerenrae
07/10/2008 20:10:28 ‹Justin Sluder› Butterfrog, it's Paizo chat night!
07/10/2008 20:10:29 ‹Coffee Wench Lilith› Eyebite! :glomp:
07/10/2008 20:10:43 ‹Butterfrog› Justin Sluder, I know, but never seen it like this before
07/10/2008 20:10:44 * Coffee Wench Lilith changes his/her nickname to Lilith
07/10/2008 20:10:45 ‹Eyebite› David, Lilith! The gang is all here :D
07/10/2008 20:10:48 ‹TheLesuit› I have Saranwrap in the pantry.
07/10/2008 20:10:55 ‹David› sure!
07/10/2008 20:10:57 ‹TheLesuit› I don't think they are connected.
07/10/2008 20:11:02 ‹yoda8myhead› TheLesuit, :rimshot:
07/10/2008 20:11:02 ‹Fray› Lilith is online! :hugs:
07/10/2008 20:11:08 ‹Eyebite› JJ> the recent blog post on Golarion's solar system was awesome. Very very cool
07/10/2008 20:11:35 ‹greengrunt› JJ> What did you think of the Coen's No Country for Old Men (Sorry non-gaming question)
07/10/2008 20:11:39 ‹David› i have the solar system as my desk top!
07/10/2008 20:11:58 ‹yoda8myhead› was a consensus ever reached on what robots are called in Golarion?
07/10/2008 20:12:08 ‹TheLesuit› Though the clerics of Saranrae are kind of clingy.
07/10/2008 20:12:09 ‹James Jacobs› Ross>Yeah, I saw that post and tried 3 times to reply but the website was being a pill. ANYWAY... adamantine is found in ore in the ground here and there, but only because it got there via ancient asteroid impact. The other kinds of skymetal are a LOT more rare than adamantine, and as a result there aren't really any veins of those ores in Golarion.
07/10/2008 20:12:09 ‹greengrunt› Autobots!! :razz:
07/10/2008 20:12:14 ‹Butterfrog› David, you have a mighty huge desktop there!
07/10/2008 20:12:36 ‹David› oh yeah!
07/10/2008 20:12:43 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> No Country for Old Men was one of the best movies of 2007. VERY good movie.
07/10/2008 20:12:46 ‹Fray› Cybertronium!
07/10/2008 20:12:52 ‹David› thats why it takes so long for me to reply sometimes ;)
07/10/2008 20:12:54 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Nope.
07/10/2008 20:12:56 * Lilith gets James Jacobs an order of barbecued eel rolls.
07/10/2008 20:13:08 ‹Justin Sluder› Butterfrog, please please please! Don't encourage David.
07/10/2008 20:13:10 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> They're probably called metal men or automatauns or wizbangers or something.
07/10/2008 20:13:24 ‹David› heh wizbangers
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07/10/2008 20:13:27 * Butterfrog won't encourage david anymore
07/10/2008 20:13:29 ‹James Jacobs› eel rolls! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM
07/10/2008 20:13:30 ‹Eyebite› wizbangers :lol:
07/10/2008 20:13:33 ‹Daigle› Howdy Charles
07/10/2008 20:13:34 ‹cappadocius› They're called Automatons in Expedition.
07/10/2008 20:13:35 * Pygon approves of wizbangers.
07/10/2008 20:13:35 ‹TheLesuit› Does Golarion have other odd metals?
07/10/2008 20:13:36 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Are you going to see Quarantine when it comes out?
07/10/2008 20:13:38 ‹Eyebite› I vote for wizbangers
07/10/2008 20:13:38 ‹cappadocius› Therefore, they are Automatons.
07/10/2008 20:13:40 ‹Butterfrog› Wizbanger have my vote
07/10/2008 20:13:43 ‹Justin Sluder› wingdings?
07/10/2008 20:13:46 ‹Eyebite› Daigle! You're here
07/10/2008 20:13:47 ‹greengrunt› Hi 8th Runie
07/10/2008 20:13:50 ‹Fray› wizbangers! Golarian Motorcycle Gang
07/10/2008 20:13:54 ‹cappadocius› AUTOMATONS HAS THE WEIGHT OF TRADITION.
20:14:02 ‹TheLesuit› I vote for "run away".
07/10/2008 20:14:10 ‹cappadocius› E. Gary Gygax spoke on the subject over 20 years ago!
07/10/2008 20:14:22 ‹TheLesuit› Hey cappadocius,
07/10/2008 20:14:26 ‹Jal Dorak› "Golem" has tradition too!
07/10/2008 20:14:29 ‹cappadocius› Also, Wizbanger sounds more like some kind of firework or comical animal.
07/10/2008 20:14:30 ‹greengrunt› Expedition to the Barrier Peaks= TOTAL rockage!!
07/10/2008 20:14:32 ‹Fray› ...or call the Tinkers
07/10/2008 20:14:40 ‹cappadocius› Golem *does* have a tradition, which is totally inappropriate for a robot.
07/10/2008 20:14:51 ‹David› Butterfrog, :(
07/10/2008 20:14:53 ‹Fray› golem <> robot
07/10/2008 20:14:55 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, ah. Nifty. I was wondering why the Gas Forges would even exist if all the Adamantine was coming from Numeria.
07/10/2008 20:15:00 ‹TheLesuit› In S3 they were...geez that thing that just kicked my ass.
07/10/2008 20:15:08 ‹cappadocius› Which one?
07/10/2008 20:15:09 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: No seepage of 'rare metals' via elemental earth nodes then?:)
07/10/2008 20:15:11 ‹greengrunt› :D
07/10/2008 20:15:27 ‹Fray› ewww elemental seepage
07/10/2008 20:15:28 ‹Jal Dorak› I vote for "Autognome", regardless of actual appearance!
07/10/2008 20:15:39 * cappadocius wonders if Golarion has any veins of Unobtainium or Upsydaisium.
07/10/2008 20:15:39 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
07/10/2008 20:15:40 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> Not really, no. It's skymetal; from space.
07/10/2008 20:15:40 ‹Fray› OOO! Autognome!
07/10/2008 20:15:42 ‹Hill Giant› Metrognome!
07/10/2008 20:15:53 * Ross thinks there should not be a blanket name for 'Robot'.
07/10/2008 20:15:54 ‹Sir Wulf Multitasker› "Clockworks" has my vote...
07/10/2008 20:16:13 ‹Ross› They should be named by type, and 'Construct' serves fine as a blanket name.
07/10/2008 20:16:16 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: You must ask Erik t draw up a fantasy version of a periodic table on some occasion.... :)
07/10/2008 20:16:21 ‹TheLesuit› I think Metrognomes are more concerned with style and the cut of one's hair than DESTORYING THE WORLD.
07/10/2008 20:16:24 ‹Fray› Speaking of Clockworks... anyone see the next Open Design project :)
07/10/2008 20:16:27 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> The main thing the gas forges work is lesser metal, of course. The fact that they can work adamantine is something that gets them a lot of extra business on top of that.
07/10/2008 20:16:43 ‹Butterfrog› The Eighth Runelord, actually good idea!
07/10/2008 20:16:51 * Crimson Jester joins Main
07/10/2008 20:16:53 ‹greengrunt› Or maybe the Metrognomes are trying to destroy the world with their style and haircuts!! :razz:
07/10/2008 20:16:55 ‹Jal Dorak› Agreed.
07/10/2008 20:16:56 ‹cappadocius› The Eighth Runelord, would a simple block with Earth/Air/Fire/Water really be all that exciting?
07/10/2008 20:16:59 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy CJ
07/10/2008 20:16:59 ‹greengrunt› Hi Crimson
07/10/2008 20:17:01 ‹Butterfrog› The Eighth Runelord, Gear would support that 101%
07/10/2008 20:17:06 ‹Lilith› Fray, Zobeck! :D
07/10/2008 20:17:07 ‹TheLesuit› Fair enough greengrunt,
07/10/2008 20:17:19 ‹Crimson Jester› Hello all
07/10/2008 20:17:27 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jester!
07/10/2008 20:17:28 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: If adamantine and other 'sky metals' are a product of stellar evolution, in a magical environment, the physics should get quite interesting...
07/10/2008 20:17:40 ‹Butterfrog› Hi Crimson
07/10/2008 20:17:51 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester! :glomp:
07/10/2008 20:17:52 ‹Crimson Jester› what Physics its F'ing Magick
07/10/2008 20:17:57 ‹Fray› Lilith> This is my first patron project... I got on board too close to the end though... I'll do better next time
07/10/2008 20:17:59 ‹cappadocius› I mean, if adamantine is elemental, that means there's an elemental plane of adamantine.
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07/10/2008 20:18:07 ‹Crimson Jester› Wow im being squashed
07/10/2008 20:18:13 ‹Ross› Crimson Jester, magic IS physics in a universe where magic exists.
07/10/2008 20:18:15 ‹TheLesuit› We could trot out all the old Sage Domains.
07/10/2008 20:18:24 ‹Fray› I want to do the Jade Oath patron project but not sure since it's a bit more $$$
07/10/2008 20:18:33 ‹Fray› :lick: @ CJ
07/10/2008 20:18:45 ‹TheLesuit› I can't see $60 for that Fray,
07/10/2008 20:18:45 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> perhaps, yeah. We're not sure WHERE the sky metal comes from, of cours, but stellar evolution interacting with magic is a good starting point.
07/10/2008 20:19:01 ‹Fray› TheLesuit> Yeah... that's my thought too.
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07/10/2008 20:19:18 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, is the Diaspora full of skyetal, or does the fact that its asteroids used to be planet make a difference?
07/10/2008 20:19:19 ‹greengrunt› Sky metal is from the Diaspora!! :razz:
07/10/2008 20:19:31 ‹TheLesuit› But they are trying to finance their work > Fray,
07/10/2008 20:19:34 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: We killed Rashak (Dragotha) in AoW tonight! :headbang::knight:
07/10/2008 20:19:37 ‹cappadocius› This whole line of thought suggests that magic is a localized phenomena in space.
07/10/2008 20:19:38 ‹Crimson Jester› Naw...for story telling purposes it has to be initially simplistic un not really understood...when you get more specific where it is lnes of energy that you are reaching out and manipulating then it gets too in depth and can kill the belief of the setting
07/10/2008 20:19:55 ‹Fray› TheLesuit> I think OPen Design type projects are a good way to go
07/10/2008 20:20:01 ‹cappadocius› Which further suggests that the planes are not universal, but only "universal"
07/10/2008 20:20:05 ‹greengrunt› http://paizo.com/image/content...tem.jpg
07/10/2008 20:20:10 ‹Crimson Jester› Squished and Licked....sounds like a bad night at a strip club
07/10/2008 20:20:16 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> There's probably a fair amount of skymetal in the Diaspora. In fact, that might be why what it used to be got blown up!
07/10/2008 20:20:20 ‹Pygon› or a good one
07/10/2008 20:20:26 ‹TheLesuit› Fray, > I agree, I just don't want to spend $60 on it. :-?
07/10/2008 20:20:34 ‹Butterfrog› Crimson Jester, more like a GOOD night ;)
07/10/2008 20:20:36 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester, :thug:
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07/10/2008 20:20:41 ‹James Jacobs› Rambling Scribe> Yay! Did the PCs get to look through the treasure yet?
07/10/2008 20:20:44 ‹greengrunt› No CJ- A bad night is squished, licked and being out $1,000 dollars :razz:
07/10/2008 20:21:00 ‹Crimson Jester› thats true this is much cheaper
07/10/2008 20:21:11 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, how goes work on PF17?
07/10/2008 20:21:13 ‹Daigle› $8 beers!?
07/10/2008 20:21:18 ‹Rambling Scribe› I wrote out the list of treasure and am sorting through it for next week. It's pretty crazy!
07/10/2008 20:21:20 ‹TheLesuit› Nice greengrunt,
07/10/2008 20:21:21 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, can Interplanetary Teleport be used as Interstellar teleport, or is that epic magic? Also, the spell description for Interstellar Teleport implies that Wish or Miracle will do the job, in which case, why is another 9th level spelll needed?
07/10/2008 20:21:23 ‹Crimson Jester› $5 pitchers
07/10/2008 20:21:24 ‹Sir Wulf Multitasker› cappadocius, "elemental" in medieval science has nothing to do with modern conceptions of the elements. "Adamantine is clearly a product of Earth and Water as Iron is a product of Earth and Fire." say the sages...
07/10/2008 20:21:34 ‹greengrunt› Eight dollar beers!? Stay awayfrom that bar!!
07/10/2008 20:21:44 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Magic is not localized. I suspect that the level of magic on Golarion is the standard, and that the extremes (High Magic and no magic) are the spotty ones. The Milky Way's in a no magic zone, for example. Or maybe just the arm that Earth is in is in a no magic zone and eventually it'll swing back into the magic.
07/10/2008 20:21:48 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: If gates to other worlds exist, might some of them have been constructed because (for whatever reason) skymetals were more regular in occurance there, and thus nominally easier to harvest?
07/10/2008 20:22:09 ‹Eyebite› $8 beers....sounds like a concert
07/10/2008 20:22:21 ‹TheLesuit› Don't we have to wait for the coming of the 5th World James Jacobs,
07/10/2008 20:22:22 ‹Crimson Jester› Are there Gates to the Diaspora?
07/10/2008 20:22:32 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Work on PF17 is going pretty slow. We had a few other emergencies relating to other products that forced me off PF 17 for a bit. SO: Long work hours ahead for me, alas.
07/10/2008 20:22:45 ‹Pygon› :(
07/10/2008 20:22:52 ‹greengrunt› Sevenarches gates are made of elegant stone.. Not skymetal FYi
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07/10/2008 20:22:57 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, you just blew my mind with the Milky Way thing! :shock:
07/10/2008 20:22:57 ‹cappadocius› I'm sorry to hear that. Are those emergencies interesting to us, the viewing audience?
07/10/2008 20:23:08 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> That's up to the individual GM, but I suspect that yes it can. If Gate can go to other planes... that's farther away than interplaneteary. I'd say yes.
20:23:26 ‹Crimson Jester› We are low magic even though we have things like:cthulhu: around?
07/10/2008 20:23:31 ‹cappadocius› Also, THAT line of thought, James, suggests that Dark Matter is actually "magic"
07/10/2008 20:23:35 * Justin Sluder hopes 21 Dec, 2012 will be the day we enter the magic zone again [-o>[-o>[-o>[-o>[-o>[-o>
07/10/2008 20:23:39 ‹cappadocius› Cthulhu is pure alien science, Crimson Jester.
07/10/2008 20:23:46 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I'm a fan of The Magic Goes Away explaination for why magic doesn't work on Earth. (It also happens to fix Conservation laws in conjunction with magic.)
07/10/2008 20:23:59 ‹Butterfrog› Crimson Jester, as long as they don use magic as well...
07/10/2008 20:24:04 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> Sure. There's plenty of reasons the gates might have been built between worlds. Access to rare metals found only on those worlds is a great reason.
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07/10/2008 20:24:14 ‹TheLesuit› Justin Sluder,> that didn't go so well in Shadowrun.
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07/10/2008 20:24:23 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Mr. Baron
07/10/2008 20:24:24 ‹Daigle› Howdy Baron
07/10/2008 20:24:25 ‹greengrunt› Hey Mr. Baron!
07/10/2008 20:24:32 ‹Crimson Jester› :cthulhu:Speaking of which has anyone read A Night in the Lonesome October?
07/10/2008 20:24:36 ‹Butterfrog› Hi baron
07/10/2008 20:24:37 ‹cappadocius› I have.
07/10/2008 20:24:37 ‹Brian-AFK› Brief break from phone to join into chat.
07/10/2008 20:24:40 ‹Justin Sluder› TheLesuit, so? I want to learn to cast spells!
07/10/2008 20:24:41 ‹Fray› Rambling Scribe> Where is thetreasure from?
07/10/2008 20:24:49 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> The emergencies I speak of revolve mostly around an author having to bail on a product.
07/10/2008 20:24:49 ‹Brian-AFK› James: 25% total. That is all.
07/10/2008 20:25:02 ‹Daigle› Ouch
07/10/2008 20:25:07 ‹TheLesuit› With my luck I would end up with goblinism, Justin Sluder,
07/10/2008 20:25:07 ‹James Jacobs› I supsect dark matter is magic, yupl.
07/10/2008 20:25:10 ‹Rambling Scribe› Fray: from Dragotha's hoard in AoW.
07/10/2008 20:25:10 ‹greengrunt› No CJ- Is that a spoof of the Hunt for Red October??
07/10/2008 20:25:20 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: And (to address a query from the PFCS thread) do you have a precise date yet for Lamashtu's ascension to 'full deity' status?
07/10/2008 20:25:22 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, then we shall pry no further. Instead, I shall turn the topic, once again, to the Pathfinder Bestiary. Got some numbers nailed down yet?
07/10/2008 20:25:26 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, that seriously sucks to hear! I hope everythings okay with them.
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07/10/2008 20:25:38 ‹James Jacobs› Brian> Excellent!
07/10/2008 20:25:41 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, other planes are a shift on a different axis, though, so it still might be 'shorter'. Can Plane Shift twice be used to visit other planets, or do other planets have their own sets of planes?
07/10/2008 20:25:45 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James jaobs: Or if there were any particular events which likely triggered it.
07/10/2008 20:25:46 ‹Fray› Rambling Scribe> cool. I haven't read that
07/10/2008 20:25:48 ‹Crimson Jester› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...October great book this time of year
07/10/2008 20:26:12 ‹Justin Sluder› TheLesuit, I'm not familiar with Shadowrun. Are you saying you'd get turned in to a goblin?
07/10/2008 20:26:18 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> Nope; no precise date. Sometime shortly after Earthfall, though. Within the first 100 years of the Age of Darkness.
07/10/2008 20:26:32 ‹cappadocius› Wow! That recently?
07/10/2008 20:26:36 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Nothing new to report on the bestiary.
07/10/2008 20:26:38 ‹TheLesuit› Justin Sluder, that was one of the effects from the return of the 5th World in Shadowrun.
07/10/2008 20:26:48 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> As in, about 9900 years ago? Not very recent.
07/10/2008 20:26:54 ‹greengrunt› Thanks for the link CJ- sounds interesting
07/10/2008 20:26:57 ‹TheLesuit› The game system sucked but the background was awesome Justin Sluder,
07/10/2008 20:26:57 ‹cappadocius› That's semi-historical.
07/10/2008 20:27:12 ‹cappadocius› I mean, how many of the 20 were around to see dinosaurs?
07/10/2008 20:27:13 ‹cappadocius› Any?
07/10/2008 20:27:16 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Plane shift twice might work, although that's like riding a boat blindfolded through the fog.
07/10/2008 20:27:21 ‹Crimson Jester› Just finished it greengrunt,again, one of my favorite books, easy read though
07/10/2008 20:27:30 ‹Jal Dorak› James Jacobs: I wanted to ask earlier but timed out. With adamantine coming from "skymetal", what is the most valuable "natural" resource on Golarion?
07/10/2008 20:27:36 ‹Nychus› all as dinosaurs live in the Mwangi :-)
07/10/2008 20:27:37 ‹yoda8myhead› cappadocius, dinosaurs are still around
07/10/2008 20:27:58 ‹cappadocius› My point is a sound one!
07/10/2008 20:27:58 ‹Justin Sluder› TheLesuit, cool, I'll have to look into it.
07/10/2008 20:28:13 ‹cappadocius› This has important cosmological import!
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07/10/2008 20:28:26 ‹Butterfrog› yoda8myhead, apparently earthfall didn't bring an Ice Age huh? :D
07/10/2008 20:28:30 ‹cappadocius› Which is why James probably doesn't want to answer it. ;)
07/10/2008 20:28:43 ‹TheLesuit› Justin Sluder, the game setting was also based in Seattle. So very funny to see it written by mostly non-locals.
07/10/2008 20:28:43 ‹yoda8myhead› Butterfrog, no, just darkness
07/10/2008 20:28:49 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> At this point, I woudl guess that the event that catapulted Lamashtu to deityhood was her slaughter of the god Churchanus.
07/10/2008 20:28:55 ‹Butterfrog› yoda8myhead, lucky bastards
07/10/2008 20:29:03 ‹Lilith› cappadocius probably wants to know how many of Rovagug's Spawn are dinosaurs. :raptor:
07/10/2008 20:29:05 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> There are dinosaurs today. So all of them.
07/10/2008 20:29:07 ‹The Eighth Runelord› cappadocius: Some of the dinosaurs have lived underground in the Darklands.
07/10/2008 20:29:07 ‹Crimson Jester› Churchanus??
07/10/2008 20:29:09 ‹greengrunt› Churchcanus??
07/10/2008 20:29:13 ‹Sir Wulf Multitasker› Butterfrog, Sarenrae refused to allow an Ice Age.
07/10/2008 20:29:14 ‹Jal Dorak› "Church-anus?"
07/10/2008 20:29:24 ‹cappadocius› Yes, people. He's in the Desna write-up!
07/10/2008 20:29:30 ‹cappadocius› Not worth two ??s.
07/10/2008 20:29:32 ‹Crimson Jester› I wasnt going to go there but since Jal did
07/10/2008 20:29:32 ‹Justin Sluder› TheLesuit, I can imagine :lol:
07/10/2008 20:29:37 ‹Butterfrog› Sir Wulf Multitasker, not good for business I guess
07/10/2008 20:29:47 ‹greengrunt› Sheet... I have to go to AP#1 for that??
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07/10/2008 20:29:48 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> That depends on what you're looking for; but I suspect hte most valuable material on Golarion is maybe mithral? not sure.
07/10/2008 20:29:55 ‹Crimson Jester› I must have missed that in the desna right up
07/10/2008 20:29:57 ‹cappadocius› Lilith, I'm actually more curious what the name of the first Spawn was.
07/10/2008 20:30:01 ‹Nychus› oh shiney little raptor emote cool,
07/10/2008 20:30:03 ‹James Jacobs› And actually... curchanus is the name. I keep mispelling it and that makes for a pretty goofy name, alas.
07/10/2008 20:30:09 ‹James Jacobs› No H in the name.
07/10/2008 20:30:15 ‹greengrunt› Okies
07/10/2008 20:30:17 ‹yoda8myhead› Curchanus is in the wiki also
07/10/2008 20:30:19 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yeah, that looks a little better. :P
07/10/2008 20:30:26 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, my blunt question is "Do the Gods predate humanity?"
07/10/2008 20:30:27 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: And Curchanus might have been distracted/discommoded by the Earthfall consequences at the time?
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07/10/2008 20:30:37 ‹Brian-AFK› An extra H makes it funnier...
07/10/2008 20:30:42 ‹Jal Dorak› Thanks, James. Mithral makes sense, I was thinking of something of a "gold standard" rather than a variable resource like wood.
07/10/2008 20:30:47 ‹TheLesuit› Weren't there gods before there were humans?
07/10/2008 20:30:49 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, actually, that brings up a good question. Do things from Castrovel go to the same heaven and hell as Golarion mortals? If so, why wouldn't you see them visiting? The same metaphorical shift that cause Dante to meet mostly italians?
07/10/2008 20:31:01 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> You'll have to wait for a few more months to find out about the spawn, Cappa. But there IS an article about them on the schedule.
07/10/2008 20:31:01 ‹greengrunt› So what was Lamashtu before she attained godhood??
07/10/2008 20:31:02 ‹Sir Wulf Multitasker› Hmmm... The Elder Gods...
07/10/2008 20:31:17 ‹cappadocius› greengrunt, Demon Princess.
07/10/2008 20:31:20 ‹Russ› Crap! I forgot it was chat nght!
07/10/2008 20:31:21 ‹TheLesuit› Ugly greengrunt,
07/10/2008 20:31:23 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> The gods may or may not predate humanity. Personally, I suspect they do not.
07/10/2008 20:31:26 ‹yoda8myhead› The Eighth Runelord, je was tricked
07/10/2008 20:31:39 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, that's exciting and makes me happy.
07/10/2008 20:31:43 ‹TheLesuit› So are we talking humanity or humans?
07/10/2008 20:31:43 ‹Sir Wulf Multitasker› Lamashtu was a pain at Demon Prep school...
07/10/2008 20:31:45 ‹Russ› Humanity defined as humans?
07/10/2008 20:31:48 ‹cappadocius› As does the news of an article on the Spawn.
07/10/2008 20:32:05 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that the aboleths created humanity, and then the gods showed up and then when the humans found the gods and faith, that was an utterly alien concept to the aboleths and that's what gave the first cavemen slaves of the abloeths the key to escape the slavery.
07/10/2008 20:32:06 ‹Russ› I like to think that SOME of the gods predated intelligent life, but not very many of them, and possibly not any of the recognizable ones
07/10/2008 20:32:07 ‹greengrunt› Interesting.. What about the elvish pantheon? Is there an elvish pantheon??
07/10/2008 20:32:09 ‹The Eighth Runelord› Hmmm. In Lovecraft different planets have different 'dreamlands'....
07/10/2008 20:32:11 ‹Jal Dorak› I think we mean "humanoids"
07/10/2008 20:32:28 ‹Crimson Jester› Different way to ask the Question: Do any of them Outdate Humanity or other humanoids?
07/10/2008 20:32:31 ‹cappadocius› I mean what I say.
07/10/2008 20:32:39 ‹greengrunt› Elves and dwarves predate humanity
07/10/2008 20:32:44 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> Curchanus actually got tricked b y Lamashtu, if I remember right. It's all in Pathfinder 2.
07/10/2008 20:32:46 * houstonderek joins Main
07/10/2008 20:32:50 ‹cappadocius› Yep.
07/10/2008 20:32:56 ‹greengrunt› Hello Houston
07/10/2008 20:32:57 ‹Pygon› people were made by three-eyed fish? Sounds made up.
07/10/2008 20:33:03 ‹cappadocius› You people keep wasting questions on things answered in the Lamashtu and Desna articles!
07/10/2008 20:33:08 ‹Butterfrog› aboleths creators of humanity....??? interesting...wanna see how that evolves
07/10/2008 20:33:18 ‹TheLesuit› Sounds like aboleth propaganda Pygon,
07/10/2008 20:33:23 ‹Daigle› Howdy houstonderek
07/10/2008 20:33:26 ‹cappadocius› Pygon, pfft. Humans are too complex to have evolved! Clearly there was an intelligent designer at work!
07/10/2008 20:33:29 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Things from Castrovel actaully probably have a fair amount of crossvoer with things on Golarion. They worship different gods but those gods do have realms in the same outer planes.
07/10/2008 20:33:29 ‹The Eighth Runelord› cappadocius: nobody said it was '20 questions only' this week.
07/10/2008 20:33:33 ‹houstonderek› hi y'all :)
07/10/2008 20:33:36 ‹Crimson Jester› Just means I have an excuse to go read those articles again
07/10/2008 20:33:37 ‹greengrunt› Well damn I tried the Rostland and Aldori angle but .. no dice :razz:
07/10/2008 20:33:46 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Yeah, before Lamashtu was a goddess, she was a demon lord.
07/10/2008 20:33:53 ‹Butterfrog› houstonderek, hola!
07/10/2008 20:34:02 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, so would Asmodeus be playing for Castrovel souls at the same time?
07/10/2008 20:34:03 ‹houstonderek› greengrunt, daigle, howdy :)
07/10/2008 20:34:17 ‹greengrunt› Was Curca... er.. what-his-face... And evil deity??
07/10/2008 20:34:18 ‹houstonderek› Butterfrog, hola! como estas, amigo?
07/10/2008 20:34:19 * cappadocius strokes his beard and wonders WHERE the Gods came from... Marvel-esque Powerful Aliens or DC-esque products of the Intelligent Subconscious.
07/10/2008 20:34:32 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yes; some of the gods did predate humanity. Desna for one. Pharasma for one. But they didn't really knwo about them yet. I guess Pharasma did, as soon as they started dying.
07/10/2008 20:34:36 ‹houstonderek› (sorry, y'all, i'm a tad lagged...)
07/10/2008 20:34:43 ‹cappadocius› Curchanus was Chaotic Neutral, if I recall the implications.
07/10/2008 20:34:46 ‹Lilith› houstonderek! :glomp:
07/10/2008 20:34:48 ‹Jal Dorak› James Jacobs, regarding the PRPG Final, are there plans to reintroduce the introductory "fluff" for the core classes, similar to the PHB?
07/10/2008 20:34:50 ‹James Jacobs› But as for what REALLY created humans, or if they evolved, or whatever... that's better left mysterious I think.
07/10/2008 20:34:53 ‹yoda8myhead› cappadocius, beings who live the American Drema and eared their godhood
07/10/2008 20:35:02 * Russ likes the aboleth theory
07/10/2008 20:35:08 * Lilith gives houstonderek a slab of cornbread and a mess o' beans and brisket, with a Shiner Bock. :beer:
07/10/2008 20:35:20 ‹houstonderek› Lilith, good evening, Bringer of Delicious Baked Wonderments and Good Cheer ;)
07/10/2008 20:35:22 * cappadocius blinks.
07/10/2008 20:35:24 ‹The Eighth Runelord› What's more interesting, is where did the aboleths come from?
07/10/2008 20:35:26 ‹TheLesuit› I'm sure each Faith-group has its own ideas on the creation of humanity.
07/10/2008 20:35:35 ‹Jal Dorak› Earth.
07/10/2008 20:35:40 ‹cappadocius› James, I understand there may not be an answer to this but what "race" is Pharasma?
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07/10/2008 20:35:52 ‹cappadocius› I know to humans she's a Garundan deity, but...
07/10/2008 20:35:53 ‹The Eighth Runelord› (Who created them, are they native to Golarion, when do they get a write-up?)
07/10/2008 20:35:53 ‹James Jacobs› The stuff I did for Aboleths in Lords of Madness is pretty close to how I think it all went down. And for those who've read "At the Mountains of Madness," just replace "old one" with "aboleth".
07/10/2008 20:35:55 ‹yoda8myhead› The Eighth Runelord, when wo aboleths love each other very much ...
07/10/2008 20:35:56 ‹Ross› My theory on the Origins of the Gods: The other planes and the Gods are manifestations of a common metaphor. One of the reasons the Starstone is so selective is that there needs to be a 'vacancy' for a god to fill.
07/10/2008 20:35:59 ‹houstonderek› Lilith, how'd you know Shiner was my tasty beverage of choice? :)
20:36:15 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, but the Old Ones were so much nicer than the Aboleth!
07/10/2008 20:36:17 ‹Lilith› houstonderek, Texas. It was a good guess. :P
07/10/2008 20:36:20 ‹Jal Dorak› James, that was my favorite part of LoM!
07/10/2008 20:36:25 * houstonderek opens another shiner...
07/10/2008 20:36:36 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Asmodeous might be. But it's just as possible that some entirely different group of soul hunters works there. After all... the outer planes are bigger than anyone can concieve of them being.
07/10/2008 20:36:54 ‹cappadocius› Infinities within infinities.
07/10/2008 20:36:55 ‹James Jacobs› There's probably a different set of 9 alignment bases for every planet. Some are probably shared, but some are not.
07/10/2008 20:36:56 ‹cappadocius› glorious.
07/10/2008 20:36:59 ‹Ross› Lilith, houstonderek, my father says that the only good things about Texas were Shiner beer, Blue Bell ice cream, and all the good TV shows come on an hour early.
07/10/2008 20:37:10 ‹Crimson Jester› In her earliest days as a goddess, Desna’s mentor was Curchanus, a mostly forgotten god of beasts, travel, and endurance, and Desna spent many nights listening to stories of his travels. Curchanus’s enemy was Lamashtu, an equally ancient goddess of monsters, madness, and nightmares who longed for his control over beasts.
07/10/2008 20:37:15 ‹TheLesuit› I forget houstonderek, is bock spring or fall?
07/10/2008 20:37:20 ‹cappadocius› Ooo! So there's a world out there with the Palladium alignment system! Neat!
07/10/2008 20:37:21 ‹The Eighth Runelord› The Old Ones in At the Mountains of Madness are not evil in alignment, or at least that is the impression that Lovecraft is trying to convey.
07/10/2008 20:37:27 ‹houstonderek› Ross, i guess your mom was in the room, he forgot to mention the texas ladies ;)
07/10/2008 20:37:30 ‹James Jacobs› Jal> There'll be a little flavor text in the final game, probably on par with the Player's Handbook.
07/10/2008 20:37:41 ‹Jal Dorak› Huzzah!
07/10/2008 20:37:53 ‹Butterfrog› cappadocius, please send that chart...now I'm itching for it
07/10/2008 20:37:56 ‹greengrunt› Damn these Itunes updates!!
07/10/2008 20:38:00 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, why would a God restrict themselves to one world, though?
07/10/2008 20:38:08 ‹houstonderek› TheLesuit, spoetzle does it year round, but i think traditionally it's a spring beer
07/10/2008 20:38:09 ‹Lilith› Ross, I'd add "Promised Land Ice Cream and my mom (who's a better cook than me) lives there" to the list. :P
07/10/2008 20:38:20 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> Aboleths spontaneously erupted when something ELSE brushed against the edge of this dimension. What scraped off interacted weirdly in the deep dark sea and became aboleths.
07/10/2008 20:38:21 ‹cappadocius› What chart?
07/10/2008 20:38:37 ‹greengrunt› Interesting JJ
07/10/2008 20:38:39 ‹Butterfrog› cappadocius, planes/universe?
07/10/2008 20:38:40 ‹greengrunt› Cool idea
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07/10/2008 20:38:49 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: Nyarlathotep?
07/10/2008 20:38:50 ‹greengrunt› Hullo Joey V
07/10/2008 20:39:00 ‹houstonderek› oooh, i love aboleths. of course, my players hate them...
07/10/2008 20:39:02 ‹Ross› houstonderek, my Mom is from New York. :teach:
07/10/2008 20:39:02 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Joey
07/10/2008 20:39:14 ‹houstonderek› Ross, mine's from jersey ;)
07/10/2008 20:39:25 ‹Ross› Lilith, isn't promised land the one with bible verses on the containers?
07/10/2008 20:39:26 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, go your mom!
07/10/2008 20:39:33 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Yeah, the idea is that in the universe, ALL games and ALL reality exist. If you had a spaceship and a limitless lifespan, you could visit Golarion or Greyhawk or Eberron or Carcossa or wherever
07/10/2008 20:39:35 ‹yoda8myhead› and your mom too houstonderek
07/10/2008 20:39:38 ‹Joey Virtue› hello all
07/10/2008 20:39:52 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> Lovecraft didn't bother with alignments, though.
07/10/2008 20:40:02 ‹greengrunt› Sliders D&D style :razz:
07/10/2008 20:40:05 ‹cappadocius› Butterfrog, I don't HAVE a chart!
07/10/2008 20:40:09 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, :dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2:
07/10/2008 20:40:13 ‹houstonderek› yoda8myhead, i lived in grammercy (22nd and lex) for six months in '93, good times...
07/10/2008 20:40:14 ‹Butterfrog› cappadocius, nevermind
07/10/2008 20:40:16 ‹cappadocius› James would be the one to give you a diagram of the outer planes!
07/10/2008 20:40:18 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah that always seemed cool slyders
07/10/2008 20:40:24 ‹Crimson Jester› James is there any part of the 'Verse you are itching to see print?
07/10/2008 20:40:29 ‹Lilith› Ross, I don't remember, it's been 10 years. Don't care what was on the container, it was damn good ice cream. Sinfully good either. :P
07/10/2008 20:40:33 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Some gods might not be as interested in multiple worlds. A god could be the BIG SHIT on one world and unknown elsewhere. Other gods are probably known on MANY worlds.
07/10/2008 20:40:40 ‹Lilith› either = too. Oy.
07/10/2008 20:40:56 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> If I were to pick one of the official Lovecraft gods, i'd say the aboleths came from Shub-Niggurath.
07/10/2008 20:41:13 ‹The Eighth Runelord› Abundance to the black goat of the woods!
07/10/2008 20:41:14 ‹greengrunt› Big shit.. That sounds horrifying? We worship an entire pile of cosmic feces!!
07/10/2008 20:41:17 ‹cappadocius› Not Ubbo-Sathla?
07/10/2008 20:41:36 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> The abyss, of course. Abbadon too. All of it really.
07/10/2008 20:41:36 ‹Ross› Lilith, I think I've had chocolate milk from Promised Land. Was like drinking cream. Decadent. But you'll have a hard time convincing me that anything's better than Blue Bell.
07/10/2008 20:41:55 ‹Nychus› oh well looks like my body isn't going to let me stay up for more, so good night folks.
07/10/2008 20:41:56 ‹Joey Virtue› james i have a question i posted on the site but it ate my post i think there was a spell in dragon that allowed other people to use there exp to make items what dragon was that in
07/10/2008 20:41:59 ‹Lilith› Ross, yes, that's the one. :)
07/10/2008 20:42:02 ‹cappadocius› Speaking of Abaddon, James Jacobs, are there more than four kinds of daemon?
07/10/2008 20:42:05 ‹Eyebite› Hm, now I'm dying to know what that something else was that brushed against Shub-Niggurath
07/10/2008 20:42:10 ‹James Jacobs› Ubbo-sathla is Clark Ashton Smith, and he's not really a dimension traveller really.
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07/10/2008 20:42:19 ‹cappadocius› mm, true.
07/10/2008 20:42:20 ‹Joey Virtue› I think it was called transferance
07/10/2008 20:42:27 ‹greengrunt› Hey.. The Oliphaunt of Jandelray created the aboleths!! :razz:
07/10/2008 20:42:31 ‹houstonderek› Ross, come to the gelato shop i manage. better than blue bell...
07/10/2008 20:42:34 ‹Ross› Of course, the other side of my dad's comment is that Shiner and Blue Bell are now available nationally, and he has a DVR now.
07/10/2008 20:42:34 ‹cappadocius› and you can't just dismiss the great Atlantean Sorceror Klarkash-Ton!
07/10/2008 20:42:35 ‹The Eighth Runelord› That reminds me, I recently read Through the gates of the Silver Key and it was :?::?::?::shock:
07/10/2008 20:42:41 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> I'm pretty sure there are indeed more than four kinds of daemon. All of the ones in Green Ronin's Book of Fiends can work.
07/10/2008 20:42:52 ‹cappadocius› Through the gates is a sequel, I think.
07/10/2008 20:43:06 ‹Joey Virtue› That green ronin book is great
07/10/2008 20:43:17 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> I'm not sure... I worked mostly on Dungeon. Dragon I don't know as well.
07/10/2008 20:43:25 ‹Joey Virtue› oh ok
07/10/2008 20:43:34 ‹The Eighth Runelord› Randolph Carter meets Yog-Sothoth... :shock:
07/10/2008 20:43:40 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, hm. I really wish I could get the daggone Book of Fiends, and also, so you have the four "themed" daemons, and then the lesser daemons serving all the Arch-Daemons?
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07/10/2008 20:43:52 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> I found his hand in "Age of Conan." Someone told me to hide it under a rock, So I did.
07/10/2008 20:43:53 ‹Joey Virtue› my game group is not cool with no xp for items yet so im giving them the spell
07/10/2008 20:44:07 ‹houstonderek› James, in 1e, i'm sure there were several types, iirc. mezzo, nyca, and a half dozen others in the MM2, no?
07/10/2008 20:44:11 ‹The Eighth Runelord› It went slightly too far with that.
07/10/2008 20:44:12 ‹James Jacobs› Silver Key and Through the Gates are pretty bizarre stories, that's for sure.
07/10/2008 20:44:23 ‹Crimson Jester› * "The Statement of Randolph Carter" (1919) * "The Unnamable" (1923) * "The Silver Key" (1926) * The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath (1926-1927) * The Case of Charles Dexter Ward (1927) * "Through the Gates of the Silver Key" (1933)
07/10/2008 20:44:24 ‹James Jacobs› Not his best work. Not his worst.
07/10/2008 20:44:33 * David joins Main
07/10/2008 20:44:43 ‹greengrunt› wb David
07/10/2008 20:44:46 ‹Eyebite› wb David
07/10/2008 20:44:52 * Lilith tries to bribe James Jacobs for news about the Katapesh/Osirion/Elves sourcebooks. :sushi::sushi2:
07/10/2008 20:44:53 ‹James Jacobs› houstonderek> Yeah; and many of those are still open content thanks to the Tome of Horrors.
07/10/2008 20:44:55 ‹Joey Virtue› James if i emailed customer service tonight about my shipment should it be goood to fix things
07/10/2008 20:44:59 ‹Butterfrog› wb david
07/10/2008 20:45:03 ‹David› greengrunt, Eyebite, hi
07/10/2008 20:45:18 ‹Hill Giant› when did we get sushi icons?
07/10/2008 20:45:28 ‹James Jacobs› There are four "themed" daemon lords, and then there are LOTS of other types. At least as many different daemons as there are different demons and different devils.
07/10/2008 20:45:30 ‹Lilith› Hill Giant, last week. :sushi:
07/10/2008 20:45:31 ‹cappadocius› couple months ago.
07/10/2008 20:45:39 ‹James Jacobs› SUSHI
07/10/2008 20:45:46 ‹cappadocius› last week could theoretically be last month!
07/10/2008 20:45:50 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :aww: :sushi2:
07/10/2008 20:45:53 ‹James Jacobs› Elves book should be showing up soon now that Customs is being nice.
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07/10/2008 20:46:05 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, has any progress been made in picking out a 'D' name for an 'any evil' race of outsiders, analogus to Angels?
07/10/2008 20:46:06 ‹James Jacobs› Katapesh book should be coming in (text) next Monday.
07/10/2008 20:46:10 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, so Leukodaemons are not the only daemons specifically in service to the Horseman of Pestilence?
07/10/2008 20:46:11 ‹greengrunt› Avacado sushi rocks!
07/10/2008 20:46:14 ‹yoda8myhead› soon = ?
07/10/2008 20:46:15 ‹Crimson Jester› What was the deal with customs anyway?
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07/10/2008 20:46:19 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Customs was looking at the Merisiel centerfolds weren't they? ;)
07/10/2008 20:46:19 ‹James Jacobs› Osirion is looking pretty good too... it should ship out to the printer in a few weeks.
07/10/2008 20:46:32 ‹Pygon› Crimson - they randomly pick ships to hold and inspect
07/10/2008 20:46:33 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester, random full inspection of the container, I'm thinkin'
07/10/2008 20:46:35 ‹greengrunt› Osirion module you mean JJ?
07/10/2008 20:46:45 ‹Jal Dorak› James, shouldn't that be a secret? ;-)
07/10/2008 20:46:47 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, how're things with Absalom?
07/10/2008 20:46:48 ‹Crimson Jester› nice
07/10/2008 20:46:53 ‹cappadocius› Osirion Companion, greengrunt.
07/10/2008 20:47:00 ‹greengrunt› oh.. Cool
07/10/2008 20:47:01 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Yeah. Leukodaemons are only one of many different types. They're just the only ones we've done so far. There are also all the daemons in Tome of Horrors (about 6) and the ones in Book of Fiends (several dozen).
07/10/2008 20:47:06 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: I noticed you posted regarding (mongolian) Death Worms (or a least Clark's Tome of Horrors version of it); will there be other 'D20 Modern' things crawling into Paizo's bestiary? I'm not sure how many such things I'd want to see in a book aimed at what I would principally be using for a 'traditional' fanatasy game.
07/10/2008 20:47:07 ‹Eyebite› I can't wait for the Osirion companion
07/10/2008 20:47:33 ‹Justin Sluder› Book of Fiends = :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::head bang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:
20:47:41 ‹James Jacobs› About customs? They're just trying to keep bombs out of the harbors. And living in one of the biggest harbors in the USA... I'm pretty okay with them doing whatever they need to do to keep out bombs.
07/10/2008 20:47:42 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, sadly both of those sources are very hard to find
07/10/2008 20:47:45 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, but things like the Mezzoloths and Arcanoloths seem to be more generic, serving all four Horsemen in roughly equal numbers. Am I mistaken?
07/10/2008 20:47:47 ‹greengrunt› I would get the Campaign Setting but since JJ has pointed out the errors I'm going to have to wait for the revised edtition :razz:
07/10/2008 20:47:55 ‹cappadocius› am I mistaken that Leukodaemons only serve Pestilence?
07/10/2008 20:48:13 ‹James Jacobs› The absalom book is on the ER table right now, undergoing surgery.
07/10/2008 20:48:21 ‹cappadocius› Aw.
07/10/2008 20:48:25 ‹cappadocius› What went wrong?
07/10/2008 20:48:30 ‹greengrunt› What kind of surgery??
07/10/2008 20:48:34 ‹Pygon› surgery? what's the prognosis?
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07/10/2008 20:48:43 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: They got the spelling of 'Region' wrong again?
07/10/2008 20:48:45 ‹Eyebite› a shortendectomy?
07/10/2008 20:48:46 ‹Crimson Jester› I can understand a slight delay to look for bombs myself
07/10/2008 20:48:48 ‹Butterfrog› removing unnecesary parts
07/10/2008 20:48:52 ‹Lilith› Surgery? Oh noes! :ohnoes:
07/10/2008 20:49:05 ‹cappadocius› Eyebite, hysterectomy.
07/10/2008 20:49:07 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> Yeah; we'll be doing cryptozoological type monsters now and then, and probably a few other similar monsters. If we do... we'll do them up fresh from scratch rather than just grandfather them in from the d20 modern SRD though.
07/10/2008 20:49:29 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> If and when we do more daemons, they'll be reprinted. And I'm pretty sure that EVENTUALLY we'll be printing a LOT more of them.
07/10/2008 20:49:31 ‹Jal Dorak› Well, I'm off. It's been swell. Thanks, James!
07/10/2008 20:49:40 ‹Crimson Jester› I know the book is removing those nasty little pests Smurf
07/10/2008 20:49:41 ‹The Eighth Runelord› Goodnight Jal.
07/10/2008 20:49:42 ‹greengrunt› Later Jal
07/10/2008 20:49:43 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, please define 'surgery.'
07/10/2008 20:49:44 ‹Lilith› Later Jal Dorak! :glomp:
07/10/2008 20:49:52 ‹houstonderek› Jal nite :)
07/10/2008 20:49:55 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Yup. There's certainly different categories of daemons. Some are generalists, some are specialists.
07/10/2008 20:50:02 ‹Eyebite› Night Jal
07/10/2008 20:50:02 ‹Butterfrog› Jal Dorak, later
07/10/2008 20:50:08 ‹Justin Sluder› cya Jal
07/10/2008 20:50:13 ‹James Jacobs› Leukodaemons mostly serve pestilence, but not all of them do.
07/10/2008 20:50:14 ‹Jal Dorak› I'll leave you all with a crippling case of vampirism. :vampire:
07/10/2008 20:50:21 ‹cappadocius› Ah HA.
07/10/2008 20:50:24 ‹yoda8myhead› bye Dorak
07/10/2008 20:50:25 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: Sorry, forgot to add a :) after the Region question....
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07/10/2008 20:50:34 ‹cappadocius› okay. I think I'm wrapping my head around them.
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07/10/2008 20:51:01 ‹Daigle› Oooh, daemons? Nice time to look back over here!
07/10/2008 20:51:07 * Daigle scrolls up.
07/10/2008 20:51:38 * yoda8myhead wonders if anyone has dead tree versions of BoF and ToH they'd sell him for cheap
07/10/2008 20:51:52 ‹cappadocius› I'd settle for a cheap PDF of BoF.
07/10/2008 20:52:01 ‹Fray› bof?
07/10/2008 20:52:04 ‹cappadocius› I just want the daggoned Daemon pages.
07/10/2008 20:52:06 ‹cappadocius› Book of Fiends.
07/10/2008 20:52:07 ‹Fray› Best of Freinds?
07/10/2008 20:52:10 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead, I have both, but I'm not selling them! :P
07/10/2008 20:52:10 ‹yoda8myhead› Book of Fiends
07/10/2008 20:52:11 ‹The Eighth Runelord› Book of Fiends
07/10/2008 20:52:18 ‹yoda8myhead› Lilith, :shakefist:
07/10/2008 20:52:21 ‹Fray› the 3.5 version?
07/10/2008 20:52:22 ‹The Eighth Runelord› :ninja:'ed
07/10/2008 20:52:25 ‹cappadocius› and I'm happy with me PDF Tome of Horrors.
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07/10/2008 20:52:57 ‹yoda8myhead› James, any further info on Clark's announced PF Tome?
07/10/2008 20:52:59 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, any sense of when we might see statistics for Proteans and... the lawful ones?
07/10/2008 20:53:15 ‹James Jacobs› As for the Absaslom book... no worries. It's just had a rough time of it, between Mike McArtor leaving the company and it falling through the cracks of who was supposed to be working on it... and then the author had a string of bad luck and fell behind on deadlines... and the map is cursed too... It's a rough birth, is what I'm saying, but it'll be fine. I hope.
07/10/2008 20:53:23 ‹yoda8myhead› or has that been incorporated into the Big Ass Book of Monsters
07/10/2008 20:53:23 ‹Ross› Yes! I also want Protean stats!
07/10/2008 20:53:29 * Joey Virtue joins Main
20:53:52 ‹Daigle› Howdy Joey
07/10/2008 20:53:55 ‹The Eighth Runelord› :-? Sad to hear about more map trouble. Have you considered hiring someone to draw them by hand and just scanning them in?
07/10/2008 20:53:59 ‹yoda8myhead› I was a breach birth, so I think those are the best kind
07/10/2008 20:54:05 ‹greengrunt› So.. by surgery you mean.. A complete, extensive bit of plastic surgery! :razz:
07/10/2008 20:54:05 ‹Joey Virtue› hey
07/10/2008 20:54:09 ‹Daigle› Sadist
07/10/2008 20:54:18 ‹cappadocius› yoda8myhead, I came out peacefully, with my hands up.
07/10/2008 20:54:19 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, okay, as long as it has at least the usual amount of awesome we've become addicted to. :D
07/10/2008 20:54:50 ‹Fray› ok... i'm out... y'all have fun
07/10/2008 20:54:54 ‹Joey Virtue› I just saw today that Pathfinder was doing a 15th level module sweet cant waitto see the rest of the high level stuff
07/10/2008 20:54:57 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, were you an actual breech birth, or a C-section that would have been breech?
07/10/2008 20:54:57 ‹greengrunt› Later Fray
07/10/2008 20:55:01 ‹Justin Sluder› cya Fray
07/10/2008 20:55:08 ‹Eyebite› Night Fray
07/10/2008 20:55:11 ‹The Eighth Runelord› Goodnight Fray
07/10/2008 20:55:18 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Clark's "announced PF Tome" is not something Pazio was in on. It was an idle idea he had, a good one at that. There's no official news yet about it though.
07/10/2008 20:55:28 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, breach that became c-section mid-delivery
07/10/2008 20:55:37 ‹Russ› James - I'd rather see it late and great! Keep up the good work :)
07/10/2008 20:55:40 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, my brother was one of those.
07/10/2008 20:55:47 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah... I suspect that we'll just incorperate ToH into the PF RPG monster book series.
07/10/2008 20:55:53 * Fray quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 20:56:05 ‹Joey Virtue› i cant wait till that book
07/10/2008 20:56:08 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, my head was between my mom's ribcage for the entire term
07/10/2008 20:56:18 ‹yoda8myhead› so it was not likely I was coming out head first
07/10/2008 20:56:39 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I just realized I missed an opportunity earlier. When you said the website was being a pill, I shuld have reminded you that Gary has my resume.
07/10/2008 20:56:40 ‹cappadocius› So, speaking of idle ideas... Aquatic Monsters Revisited?
07/10/2008 20:56:47 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> Map trouble = no map was commissioned. We had to race to rig one up at the 11th hour to get to Lazzaretti to do. All of which means there won't be a poster map in the book, btw.
07/10/2008 20:56:48 ‹cappadocius› Any chance of that following up Dragons Revisited?
07/10/2008 20:57:09 ‹greengrunt› Ouch! No poster map! NOOOOO!!
07/10/2008 20:57:20 ‹Justin Sluder› :ohnoes:
07/10/2008 20:57:22 ‹Pygon› :ohnoes:
07/10/2008 20:57:24 ‹Justin Sluder› :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
07/10/2008 20:57:24 ‹Ross› cappadocius, I'd rather see Undead revisted first.
07/10/2008 20:57:32 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, :ohnoes: No Poster!?! Of the most important city in the world?
07/10/2008 20:57:33 ‹Pygon› someone forgot a memo :)
07/10/2008 20:57:58 ‹Brian-AFK› I would love a subraces revisited book.
07/10/2008 20:57:59 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: I think you just got near unanimous demand for a second edition with poster map, or at least a pdf on site....
07/10/2008 20:58:15 * Brian-AFK changes his/her nickname to BrianC-WritingAgain
07/10/2008 20:58:15 ‹James Jacobs› Aquatic Monsters REvisitied? Heh... there's about 60 books I'd do before that one, alas.
07/10/2008 20:58:19 ‹The Eighth Runelord› :)
07/10/2008 20:58:24 ‹Eyebite› or they could just sell a poster map at a later date for a few bucks on the website
07/10/2008 20:58:25 ‹Butterfrog› yoda8myhead, lets make our own ;)
07/10/2008 20:58:25 ‹yoda8myhead› or a separately available poster map in print
07/10/2008 20:58:39 ‹Daigle› Like Vermin Revisited? :P
07/10/2008 20:58:39 ‹Pygon› how realistic would it be to order a huge run of Absalom posters?
07/10/2008 20:58:42 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Chapter 3: Hippocampi and Camping Hippos.
07/10/2008 20:58:53 ‹James Jacobs› There'll be a full page map, probably on the inside front cover of the book. But I didn't want to go forward with a poster map when we only have a few weeks to do it. Rather no poster map now than a shabby one, in other words.
07/10/2008 20:58:59 ‹Daigle› Camping hippos, nice!
07/10/2008 20:59:00 ‹greengrunt› I would prefer the Absalom book fixed with poster map please before aquatics
07/10/2008 20:59:02 ‹yoda8myhead› it'd sell well for PFS too, in theory
07/10/2008 20:59:11 ‹cappadocius› Ross, you start a thread on Undead that spawns at least three follow-ups and we'll talk.
07/10/2008 20:59:20 ‹James Jacobs› Absalom, though, is a huge city. We'll have PLENTY of opportunities to get a bigger poster map of it out there in the future.
07/10/2008 20:59:30 ‹yoda8myhead› I'd even take Absalom late if it meant it'd have a poster
07/10/2008 20:59:35 ‹Ross› cappadocius, define 'follow up'?
07/10/2008 20:59:36 ‹greengrunt› Well... You could always postpone the release date and then throw one out with the poster
07/10/2008 20:59:54 ‹Butterfrog› Yay! bigger poster map :D
07/10/2008 20:59:57 ‹cappadocius› Ross, "inspired by thread X, I'm starting..."
07/10/2008 20:59:58 ‹Joey Virtue› James hows the high level stuff looking (somthing to run after the Aps are over)
07/10/2008 21:00:07 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: Boxed set of Absalom at some point in the future, 2nd edition AD&D style?
07/10/2008 21:00:13 ‹yoda8myhead› cappadocius, responses saying it's an essoteric topic don't count
07/10/2008 21:00:24 ‹yoda8myhead› The Eighth Runelord, too expensive
07/10/2008 21:00:26 ‹Daigle› :lol:
07/10/2008 21:00:30 ‹Pygon› Eighth - $200. plus.
07/10/2008 21:00:49 ‹James Jacobs› Don't get me wrong; I'm VERY disapointed that there won't be a poster map int he book. But I'm not gonna sacrifice Pathfinder or other products' schedules just to fix that.
07/10/2008 21:00:53 ‹The Eighth Runelord› For absalom, HQ for the Pathfinder Society, there might be demand....
07/10/2008 21:00:57 ‹TheLesuit› How do you turn a box set into a PDF?
07/10/2008 21:01:00 ‹cappadocius› The Eighth Runelord, boxed sets don't make money, unfortunately. Fans clamor for 'em, but they won't buy 'em at prices that recoup the production costs.
07/10/2008 21:01:03 ‹Ross› cappadocius, I recall a number of threads discussing negative energy, undead, the alignment system, and constructs, all muddled together.
07/10/2008 21:01:14 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Yeah, but imagine a City of Splendors sized map hung on the wall of the PF Society room next GenCon...
07/10/2008 21:01:22 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> We've looked at the numbers to sell just posters on their own. At this point, it's not very realistic at all, alas.
07/10/2008 21:01:37 ‹greengrunt› Sigh..Okies.. I'll just have to take one (sniff-sniff) for the team and buy it without the poster map :cry:
07/10/2008 21:01:45 ‹Pygon› :( well if you find a way to provide a poster, you'll have many grateful fans
07/10/2008 21:01:48 ‹Ross› Just because I didn't start the threads doesn't mean interest isn't there,
07/10/2008 21:02:04 ‹TheLesuit› That place really needs a map though.
07/10/2008 21:02:08 ‹James Jacobs› And delaying Absalom isn't an option either, since that delays cash flow and throws our printer schedule off. The delays that the Gazetteer went through were pretty bad on the business side of things.
07/10/2008 21:02:09 ‹The Eighth Runelord› cappadocius: Ptolus was practically a boxed set in one book.
07/10/2008 21:02:20 ‹cappadocius› And yet it was a book.
07/10/2008 21:02:29 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, Undead would be my first choice. Over dragons even
07/10/2008 21:02:30 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> We'll be doing a 15th level module in early next year. Not much beyond that on the schedule yet.
07/10/2008 21:02:32 ‹greengrunt› JJ> That sucks man
07/10/2008 21:02:34 ‹TheLesuit› Boxes bad...books good.
07/10/2008 21:02:39 ‹cappadocius› Dragons is already on the schedule.
07/10/2008 21:02:46 ‹Daigle› They ship in a box!
07/10/2008 21:02:58 ‹James Jacobs› And yeah, a boxed set would actually have to be closer to $400 or even $500 for us to not lose lots of money on it.
07/10/2008 21:03:03 ‹Daigle› Give the warehouse crew some markers and tell them to get busy!
07/10/2008 21:03:06 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, PFS beginner's pack! Absalom poster map, player's guide, GM's guide, and a special scenario!
07/10/2008 21:03:06 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, you could read my article in KQ 7, as a stopgap. </plug>
07/10/2008 21:03:07 ‹James Jacobs› Boxed Sets are not really an option at all.
07/10/2008 21:03:08 ‹Eyebite› damn
07/10/2008 21:03:12 ‹yoda8myhead› cappadocius, I know, but I didn't make the schedule
07/10/2008 21:03:12 ‹TheLesuit› It is a box I don't want to keep Daigle,
07/10/2008 21:03:12 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah that 15th looks really cool
07/10/2008 21:03:16 ‹The Eighth Runelord› Fair enough.#
07/10/2008 21:03:28 ‹James Jacobs› There'll be a map. No poster map does NOT equal no map.
07/10/2008 21:03:34 ‹cappadocius› undead would be my last choice, frankly.
07/10/2008 21:03:35 ‹Eyebite› Black Art of the Undead sounds very cool Ross
07/10/2008 21:03:35 ‹yoda8myhead› Justin Sluder, SOLD!
07/10/2008 21:03:43 ‹Justin Sluder› yoda8myhead, :dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2:
07/10/2008 21:03:43 ‹James Jacobs› In fact... getting a small map at first and then building on that is a pretty great way to get a really good giant map.
07/10/2008 21:03:45 ‹cappadocius› yawn, vampires, wights, skeletons, zombies.
07/10/2008 21:03:54 ‹Daigle› :smurf:
07/10/2008 21:03:56 ‹Pygon› James - are you at least expecting the PDF map to be a decent resolution?
07/10/2008 21:04:06 ‹TheLesuit› Awesome James Jacobs, good to know.
07/10/2008 21:04:18 ‹James Jacobs› Also: I'm really REALLY against adding products to the schedule at this point... we're doing too mcuh each month as it is.
07/10/2008 21:04:26 ‹Russ› James- I was gonna put that out there, that delaying the big, detailed map until there is more written is kind of a plus
07/10/2008 21:04:27 ‹cappadocius› indeed!
07/10/2008 21:04:32 ‹cappadocius› I don't know how you people do it.
07/10/2008 21:04:40 ‹James Jacobs› The map will be the same resolution in the PDF as the maps in Pathfinder.
07/10/2008 21:04:45 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah quality over quainity
07/10/2008 21:04:48 ‹Lilith› cappadocius, insomnia, caffeine, pizza.
07/10/2008 21:04:53 ‹molrak› Ya... I can't imagine every corner of Absalom has been plotted yet. Better to let the writers build it up some more before it gets too detailed.
07/10/2008 21:04:54 ‹Lilith› Not necessarily in that order.
07/10/2008 21:05:00 ‹Sir Wulf Multitasker› James Jacobs, are there any adventure arcs coming up soon set in Absalom? Perhaps a poster map could be released with something like that.
07/10/2008 21:05:02 ‹Eyebite› I thought the secret was hookers and blow?
07/10/2008 21:05:09 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: On the subject of schedules, ow is the fiction for AP #4 coming along?
07/10/2008 21:05:10 ‹yoda8myhead› Will there be smaller maps of the individual districts
07/10/2008 21:05:12 ‹yoda8myhead› ?
07/10/2008 21:05:27 ‹Pygon› Eyebite - Sebastian was talking about something else then.
07/10/2008 21:05:34 ‹TheLesuit› There is a creative vortex over Richards Road...for a mile beyond no creative work can be done as it gets sucked inward.
07/10/2008 21:05:37 ‹yoda8myhead› Will there be smaller maps of the individual districts?
07/10/2008 21:05:40 ‹yoda8myhead› Will there be smaller maps of the individual districts?
07/10/2008 21:05:41 ‹Eyebite› Ah :D
07/10/2008 21:05:49 ‹James Jacobs› Also a problem with the map of Absalom: it's about 15 times the size of Korvosa. At that size, the Ivy District map on a map the size of Korvosa's map would be about the size of a pea.
07/10/2008 21:05:52 ‹houstonderek› Eyebite, that secret doesn't work...
07/10/2008 21:05:59 ‹The Eighth Runelord› Yoda: Are you timing out?
07/10/2008 21:06:17 ‹Butterfrog› damn, thats a big city...
07/10/2008 21:06:20 ‹The Eighth Runelord› Yoda: You just posted the same question three times.
07/10/2008 21:06:22 ‹Pygon› that's a big honkin city
07/10/2008 21:06:23 ‹James Jacobs› Sir Wulf> At this point, there are no more modules or Adventure Paths set in Absalom. The Pathfinder Society's going to be a major place for developing the city, though.
07/10/2008 21:06:36 ‹Joey Virtue› whats the pop of that city
07/10/2008 21:06:50 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, SOLD!
07/10/2008 21:06:52 ‹James Jacobs› Eighth Runelord> Elaine's fiction for AP4 is coming along quite well! Part 2 should be showing up in the office very soon.
07/10/2008 21:06:54 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Is that WAR art going to be the cover of the Absalom sourcebook??
07/10/2008 21:06:56 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, any chance we might get a hint at what's on the Chronicles schedule after Great Beyond?
07/10/2008 21:07:03 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Nope. No maps of smaller districts.
07/10/2008 21:07:19 ‹James Jacobs› Absalom will, I suspect, be a very map-light book.
07/10/2008 21:07:21 ‹yoda8myhead› The Eighth Runelord, then I must be
07/10/2008 21:07:27 ‹Pygon› oh yes, when are the next quarterly announcements due?
07/10/2008 21:07:41 * TheLesuit likes maps, sniff.
07/10/2008 21:07:44 ‹yoda8myhead› Pygon, Erik said end of the month
07/10/2008 21:07:51 ‹Pygon› sweet
21:08:00 * houstonderek likes to draw maps :)
07/10/2008 21:08:01 * Pygon likes maps too, he's a visual guy.
07/10/2008 21:08:12 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah: Korvosa has a population of about 17,000. Absalom has a population of about 303,000. Pretty big difference. Like comparing Berkley to Rome.
07/10/2008 21:08:33 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Yes.
07/10/2008 21:08:39 ‹Crimson Jester› :rimshot:
07/10/2008 21:08:40 ‹TheLesuit› Good thing they have those cournicopia things.
07/10/2008 21:09:02 ‹greengrunt› Coolness!!
07/10/2008 21:09:02 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> No hints yet for what's coming beyond next April. That'll go live, I suspect, at the end of the month or maybe early November.
07/10/2008 21:09:03 ‹Butterfrog› 303,000? that's a lot of sewage
07/10/2008 21:09:16 ‹cappadocius› I think those cornucopia things are the only reason Absalom exists.
07/10/2008 21:09:16 ‹houstonderek› James, now the real question is: to they have roman type sewers?
07/10/2008 21:09:19 ‹Joey Virtue› thanks james one more question before i leave after pathfinder rpg final comes out will the Pathfinder Chronicles still be most fluff little crunch
07/10/2008 21:09:20 ‹yoda8myhead› Butterfrog, otyugh heaven
07/10/2008 21:09:22 ‹TheLesuit› That is why it is a port Butterfrog,
07/10/2008 21:09:29 ‹Russ› Where do they get their drinking water is my first question
07/10/2008 21:09:30 ‹houstonderek› ooops, ninja'd by Butterfrog!
07/10/2008 21:09:36 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, not even the merest whiff? a gentle hint, wafting on the breeze of the grapevine?
07/10/2008 21:09:41 ‹James Jacobs› Butterfrog> It is. Rome and Jerusalem are both big inspirations for the infrastructure to Absalom.
07/10/2008 21:09:45 ‹The Eighth Runelord› James Jacobs: A belated appreciation from me, by the way for the art of thedrow city which you posted on your blog a while back, by the way.
07/10/2008 21:09:51 ‹greengrunt› JJ> So you're now under the gun to finish PF#17?? :sad:
07/10/2008 21:09:54 ‹Butterfrog› TheLesuit, poor fishies
07/10/2008 21:09:58 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: What's the population of Augustana?
07/10/2008 21:09:58 * Erik Mona joins Main
07/10/2008 21:10:11 ‹Pygon› greetings Erik!
07/10/2008 21:10:11 ‹greengrunt› Greeting Erik!
07/10/2008 21:10:15 ‹Eyebite› Hey Erik
07/10/2008 21:10:16 ‹Daigle› Yo yo, Erik!
07/10/2008 21:10:17 ‹Butterfrog› cappadocius, :ninja*:
07/10/2008 21:10:19 ‹Lilith› MONA! :squee::excite::glomp::thug:
07/10/2008 21:10:21 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Hey, Erik!
07/10/2008 21:10:23 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> After the PF RPG comes out, the mix of flavor and crunch in the Chronicles will vary. Next Month's Into the Darklands actually has a pretty good amount of crunch in it, actually.
07/10/2008 21:10:24 ‹The Eighth Runelord› Good evening Erik.
07/10/2008 21:10:24 ‹houstonderek› howdy erik!
07/10/2008 21:10:25 ‹Rambling Scribe› Erik!
07/10/2008 21:10:27 ‹James Jacobs› So does "Gods and Magic."
07/10/2008 21:10:30 ‹TheLesuit› Actually pretty good for fishes Butterfrog,
07/10/2008 21:10:31 ‹Butterfrog› that was for houstonderek,
07/10/2008 21:10:34 ‹Russ› Erik!!!!
07/10/2008 21:10:39 ‹James Jacobs› Ahoy, Erik!
07/10/2008 21:10:40 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Look, I'm working. See.:typerhappy:
07/10/2008 21:10:48 ‹Butterfrog› TheLesuit, maybe too much! feces buffet!
07/10/2008 21:10:57 ‹Justin Sluder› Greetings Erik Mona!
07/10/2008 21:11:02 ‹Joey Virtue› good i like 3.5 with crunch my PCs are fighting pathfinder cause of all the old stuff we have
07/10/2008 21:11:03 ‹Butterfrog› Hi Mr Mona!
07/10/2008 21:11:08 ‹Erik Mona› That was a boring debat.
07/10/2008 21:11:11 ‹Erik Mona› debate, even.
07/10/2008 21:11:15 ‹Crimson Jester› Greetings Erik....... Any chance of you printing Lord of Lightat some point, it is a pain to find in a used book store and is out of print last I heard
07/10/2008 21:11:16 ‹Russ› Yes it was.
07/10/2008 21:11:18 ‹TheLesuit› Big haul for scavengers Butterfrog,
07/10/2008 21:11:21 ‹Russ› But Obama won it, and that's what counts.
07/10/2008 21:11:23 ‹Ross› Erik Mona, not any worse than th eother two.
07/10/2008 21:11:24 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Yeah; all of that = I lost about a week of work on PF 17, so that means I'll be back to the awesome 70 or so hour week thing. Probably through to Pathfinder 19.
07/10/2008 21:11:25 ‹houstonderek› i've loved otyughs ever since greenwood's "ecology" in dragon (god, i'm old...)
07/10/2008 21:11:28 ‹greengrunt› Enough to put one in a coma boring??
07/10/2008 21:11:34 ‹TheLesuit› I would not want to fall into Absalom's harbor.
07/10/2008 21:11:35 ‹Erik Mona› That's one of Pierce's favorite books.
07/10/2008 21:11:42 ‹Lilith› Butterfrog, awesome work on the holy symbols. :)
07/10/2008 21:11:44 ‹Joey Virtue› night guys
07/10/2008 21:11:45 ‹Erik Mona› We haven't had much luck with Zelazny's agent, though.
07/10/2008 21:11:51 ‹Pygon› bye Joey
07/10/2008 21:11:51 ‹Russ› Oooh, Lord of Light is a great book. Although the first time I read it, I completely missed that it went into flashback mode, and was very confused until I figured it out near th end.
07/10/2008 21:11:53 ‹Wyvern› Gelatinous cubes are a wonder for sewers.
07/10/2008 21:11:54 ‹Daigle› Night Joey
07/10/2008 21:11:54 ‹Erik Mona› Sometimes it is difficult to break through.
07/10/2008 21:11:54 ‹Butterfrog› Lilith, thanks! :squee:
07/10/2008 21:11:55 ‹Crimson Jester› Yes it was a boring debate if you can call it such...they just kept talkng about how the other guy lies
07/10/2008 21:12:01 ‹greengrunt› JJ> 70 hours!! :ohnoes:
21:12:03 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, John McCain is "your friend" though!
07/10/2008 21:12:03 ‹Butterfrog› Lilith, means a lot coming from u
07/10/2008 21:12:12 ‹cappadocius› Man, Lord of Light is a different book every time I read it. Love it so much.
07/10/2008 21:12:13 ‹Russ› Yoda - and he's a maverick
07/10/2008 21:12:14 ‹Lilith› Butterfrog, :aww:
07/10/2008 21:12:21 ‹Ross› Erik Mona, I would LOVE to see Lord of Light in Planet Stories.
07/10/2008 21:12:28 ‹TheLesuit› I loved Jack of Shadows.
07/10/2008 21:12:28 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› :beer:
07/10/2008 21:12:31 ‹houstonderek› Russ, funny, he doesn't LOOK like tom cruise...
07/10/2008 21:12:32 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> We're all his friends.
07/10/2008 21:12:33 ‹Daigle› Hugo is a rockstar!
07/10/2008 21:12:44 ‹Justin Sluder› yoda8myhead, if McLich is my friend then I want some of his money!
07/10/2008 21:12:49 ‹cappadocius› I hope Planet Stories can grab Imaro if its current publisher ever lets it go out of print.
07/10/2008 21:12:51 ‹Russ› Houston - or James Garner
07/10/2008 21:12:52 ‹Crimson Jester› Id love to have the money to buy more then just the two or three Planet stories books I have
07/10/2008 21:13:03 * Joey Virtue quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 21:13:03 ‹Erik Mona› Imaro is kind of low on the horizon now.
07/10/2008 21:13:08 ‹TheLesuit› I think you have to drink everytime someone says that Russ,
07/10/2008 21:13:08 ‹Russ› I want to see Planet Stories publish Wyndham's The Trouble with Lichen
07/10/2008 21:13:09 ‹Daigle› If McCain is a maverick does that make Palin Goose?
07/10/2008 21:13:10 ‹Erik Mona› There was _just_ an edition of it.
07/10/2008 21:13:11 ‹Ross› Crimson Jester, Amazon has it, though, so it can't be too out of print.
07/10/2008 21:13:13 ‹houstonderek› Russ, true, true ;)
07/10/2008 21:13:13 ‹The Eighth Runelord› Erik Mona: Well you could have one of the bushes marry one of the kennedys and have a monarchy instead of a presidency.... :D.
07/10/2008 21:13:28 ‹Russ› Daigle - why does the Goose always die?
07/10/2008 21:13:30 ‹Erik Mona› I think it sucks that they're not finishing the series, but in general you want to publish material people don't already have.
07/10/2008 21:13:46 ‹Erik Mona› Crimson> I'd love it if you could buy more Planet Stories too! :)
07/10/2008 21:13:48 ‹Crimson Jester› I have an autographed copy of Roadmarks
07/10/2008 21:13:50 ‹Mr Baron (Shanghai)› Eric - you need to figure out how to get the planet series into China!
07/10/2008 21:13:52 * cappadocius knows, as he HAS volume one.
07/10/2008 21:13:56 ‹Daigle› Russ, dunno, its a shame though.
07/10/2008 21:13:59 * Russ is looking forward to THREE MORE VOLUMES arriving with his sub
07/10/2008 21:13:59 ‹houstonderek› Daigle, funny how they never showed biden from the rear during the debate...
07/10/2008 21:14:03 ‹Butterfrog› Daigle, did you see me at a concert? more like a banjo player! :P
07/10/2008 21:14:08 ‹Mr Baron (Shanghai)› there are no good book stores here :(
07/10/2008 21:14:09 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› :beer::beer:
07/10/2008 21:14:10 ‹cappadocius› Erik Mona, I was kinda hoping you guys would get it because they DIDN'T finish the series. :)
07/10/2008 21:14:25 ‹Daigle› Hugo, a rockstar of pencils!
07/10/2008 21:14:29 ‹Russ› Speaking of, I heard a glass break in Biden's hand when Obama slammed Delaware's banking laws :)
07/10/2008 21:14:32 ‹Ross› houstonderek, CNN did. YOu could see his baldness.
07/10/2008 21:14:41 ‹Erik Mona› Mr. Baron> The gray market is your friend. I can't sell the books to China. I don't have those rights.
07/10/2008 21:14:55 ‹Crimson Jester› Daigle > Great 80's referance =D<
07/10/2008 21:15:03 ‹houstonderek› Ross, i was watching at the ice house, listening to the jukebox, though ;)
07/10/2008 21:15:03 ‹Butterfrog› Daigle, I'm doing color now! check the deviant!
07/10/2008 21:15:05 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> Me too!
07/10/2008 21:15:12 ‹Daigle› I did!
07/10/2008 21:15:33 ‹houstonderek› Butterfrog, using prismacolors?
07/10/2008 21:15:38 ‹Butterfrog› Daigle, I just uploaded the best of those!
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07/10/2008 21:15:41 ‹houstonderek› i love prismacolors...
07/10/2008 21:15:42 ‹Ross› Russ, really? I didn't catch that. It's true, though.
07/10/2008 21:15:52 * The Eighth Runelord bows out for now.
07/10/2008 21:15:55 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, are PS books only in the US?
07/10/2008 21:15:56 ‹Butterfrog› houstonderek, more like the tutorials Lilith points at me
07/10/2008 21:16:06 ‹greengrunt› Farewell 8
07/10/2008 21:16:08 ‹Russ› Ross - and he shouted "BASTARD!" like the low-talker on Seinfeld (Now THAT I heard)
07/10/2008 21:16:12 * The Eighth Runelord quit
07/10/2008 21:16:22 ‹Crimson Jester› Tutorials...........I need those...~sigh~
07/10/2008 21:16:24 ‹houstonderek› Butterfrog, good deal, btw, i like your work :)
07/10/2008 21:16:37 ‹Butterfrog› houstonderek, thanks. its free4all
07/10/2008 21:16:41 * TheLesuit also likes Butterfrog's work.
07/10/2008 21:16:51 * Daigle can't wait for Hugo's commission.
07/10/2008 21:17:01 ‹greengrunt› EM> Any ideas on Rostland, the Aldori swordlords exiles in the River Kingdoms and Choral the Conqueror?
07/10/2008 21:17:06 * Russ would not want to be in charge of untangling international printing rights
07/10/2008 21:17:18 * cappadocius mentally chews on Dragons Revisited.
07/10/2008 21:17:20 * TheLesuit thinks greengrunt is fixated on Rostland.
07/10/2008 21:17:25 ‹houstonderek› Butterfrog, you got the hardest part down pretty well, your drawings look natural, not stiff, that's a hard thing to accomplish, actually
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07/10/2008 21:17:31 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester, http://lilith-darkmoon.deviant...sources
07/10/2008 21:17:38 ‹greengrunt› Lesuit> I am! :D
07/10/2008 21:17:54 ‹TheLesuit› greengrunt, now I have to re-read and figure out why.
07/10/2008 21:18:10 ‹Butterfrog› Lilith, thats a treasure trove!
07/10/2008 21:18:31 ‹Ross› Russ, now you're marking it up.
07/10/2008 21:18:37 ‹Butterfrog› houstonderek, thanks! now back to paizo stuff!
07/10/2008 21:18:37 ‹Lilith› Butterfrog, I've been collecting them for a reason. :)
07/10/2008 21:18:52 ‹houstonderek› Lilith, bookmarked, good stuff there! ;)
07/10/2008 21:18:54 ‹cappadocius› TheLesuit, I think you'll find most of us have our fixations. :)
07/10/2008 21:18:59 * cappadocius wears his on his sleeves.
07/10/2008 21:19:08 * Russ has been known to exaggerate to make a point
07/10/2008 21:19:08 ‹TheLesuit› Not you cappadocius,
07/10/2008 21:19:15 ‹Sir Wulf Multitasker› Lilith, bookmarked!
07/10/2008 21:19:16 ‹TheLesuit› :razz:
07/10/2008 21:19:39 ‹yoda8myhead› brb :smoker:
07/10/2008 21:19:51 ‹houstonderek› ok, how about "slimes and molds revisited"? brown mold really needs some motivation...
07/10/2008 21:20:01 ‹Daigle› OMG yoda's on fire!
07/10/2008 21:20:01 ‹greengrunt› Sorry, there are really some intriguing bits in the Gazetteer... I am compelled to ask about them :D
07/10/2008 21:20:12 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead, :wizice:
07/10/2008 21:20:15 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> Most Planet Stories books are US only, yes.
07/10/2008 21:20:18 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, ask ask! :)
07/10/2008 21:20:20 * Butterfrog throws a bucket of water on yoda
07/10/2008 21:20:31 ‹Erik Mona› Greengrunt> What about Rostland?
07/10/2008 21:20:48 ‹Russ› without brown mold, how will we keep our meat lockers cold?
07/10/2008 21:20:57 * Eyebite changes his/her nickname to Eyebite AFK
07/10/2008 21:21:17 ‹houstonderek› Russ, good question, and think of the implications for the brewing industry!
07/10/2008 21:21:29 ‹Erik Mona› Green> Rostland is the fallen kingdom of a duelist aristocracy.
07/10/2008 21:21:30 ‹TheLesuit› Brown mold caused the glacier of the glacial rift.
07/10/2008 21:21:31 ‹greengrunt› EM>The Aldori swordlord exiles from Rostland... Was Choral the Conqueror a real badass since they fled from Rostland to the River Kingdoms?
07/10/2008 21:21:35 ‹Ross› http://xkcd.com/486/ :ninja::gninja:
07/10/2008 21:21:47 ‹Erik Mona› Yes.
07/10/2008 21:21:54 ‹greengrunt› :D
07/10/2008 21:21:57 ‹Erik Mona› Choral was a badass.
07/10/2008 21:22:02 ‹Erik Mona› Of mythic proportions.
07/10/2008 21:22:05 ‹houstonderek› i wonder if vonnegut was considering brown mold when he wrote "cat's cradle"...
07/10/2008 21:22:13 ‹TheLesuit› Ice-9
07/10/2008 21:22:15 ‹Daigle› Ice Nine?
07/10/2008 21:22:15 ‹cappadocius› Erik Mona, are there plans for original fiction by non-famous authors in Planet Stories?
07/10/2008 21:22:18 ‹greengrunt› Choral the equivalent of a Genghis Khan .. Amplified??
07/10/2008 21:22:33 ‹Erik Mona› Cappadocius> No.
07/10/2008 21:22:38 ‹cappadocius› okay.
07/10/2008 21:22:51 ‹Erik Mona› Green> I'm not sure he has an analog.
07/10/2008 21:22:55 ‹Erik Mona› From history, that is.
07/10/2008 21:23:21 ‹Erik Mona› He's basically a powerful spirit of Russian folklore unloosed on an unsuspecting populace.
07/10/2008 21:23:27 ‹Erik Mona› He is otherworldly.
07/10/2008 21:23:33 ‹cappadocius› Bogatyr!
07/10/2008 21:23:39 ‹TheLesuit› Daigle, are you riding the brake again?
07/10/2008 21:23:42 ‹greengrunt› How long has Rostland remanined fallen?
07/10/2008 21:23:51 ‹Daigle› I hope not, Lesuit
07/10/2008 21:23:55 ‹greengrunt› Er.. remained as a fallen state
07/10/2008 21:24:23 ‹Erik Mona› Wow. Interesting.
07/10/2008 21:24:33 ‹TheLesuit› So...anyway I want to gush about Korvosa.
07/10/2008 21:24:37 * TheLesuit gushes.
07/10/2008 21:24:38 ‹Erik Mona› I had not heard of Bogatyr, but that's pretty close to the imagery. Check out the Wikipedia picture.
07/10/2008 21:24:58 ‹Erik Mona› I don't have the timeline in front of me. It's been fallen for a goodly while.
07/10/2008 21:25:14 ‹houstonderek› Erik, you mena like chernobog?
07/10/2008 21:25:27 ‹TheLesuit› As someone who knows where Harborview is and where to get Oliphantears...I loved the Guide.
07/10/2008 21:25:33 ‹Rambling Scribe› Well folks, I'm gonna head out. Have a good night!
07/10/2008 21:25:36 ‹greengrunt› Meh no worries.. So the Aldori are the equivalent of a Bogatyr?
07/10/2008 21:25:39 ‹TheLesuit› Night Craig,
07/10/2008 21:25:41 ‹Butterfrog› bye Rambling
07/10/2008 21:25:42 ‹greengrunt› Night RS
07/10/2008 21:25:44 ‹Pygon› gnite Scribe
07/10/2008 21:25:45 ‹James Jacobs› Heh... yeah. I'd like to see an Oliphant Ear cooked up some day.
07/10/2008 21:25:49 ‹Justin Sluder› Rambling Scribe, cya
07/10/2008 21:25:52 ‹Daigle› later Scribbles
07/10/2008 21:25:57 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya Scribe!
07/10/2008 21:26:00 * Rambling Scribe quit
07/10/2008 21:26:11 ‹Russ› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice-nine - another guy came up with the idea, apparently
07/10/2008 21:26:22 ‹Russ› Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks prion diseases are like ice-9
07/10/2008 21:26:50 ‹Erik Mona› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobog
07/10/2008 21:26:57 ‹Erik Mona› Interesting. Wasn't aware of that either.
07/10/2008 21:27:25 * Skeld quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 21:27:30 ‹cappadocius› We're helping!
07/10/2008 21:27:35 ‹Daigle› Wasn't Chernobog the one that was supposed to crush Shadow's head with a hammer in American Gods?
07/10/2008 21:27:37 ‹Sir Wulf Multitasker› Prions are scary. I used to chat with a guy who worked on them. He would wipe down his entire labe with high molarity acid every night, just to be sure.
07/10/2008 21:27:48 ‹cappadocius› Daigle, that's what Chernobog does.
07/10/2008 21:27:56 ‹cappadocius› Well, his worshippers anyway.
07/10/2008 21:28:03 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, yes
07/10/2008 21:28:04 ‹greengrunt› Aye.. Thanks for the links guys!
07/10/2008 21:28:09 ‹cappadocius› sacrifices with hammers!
07/10/2008 21:28:09 ‹Erik Mona› Well, I'm not sure I would ever intentionally riff on something so tacky as American Gods. :)
07/10/2008 21:28:09 * James Jacobs is deathly afraid of prions.
07/10/2008 21:28:23 ‹Erik Mona› That's like making a character who is modeled on Wolverine.
07/10/2008 21:28:24 ‹Russ› yummy god.
07/10/2008 21:28:25 ‹houstonderek› Erik, i mined obscure mythology for my homebrew pantheon, wanted something the players wouldn't automatically know inside out...
07/10/2008 21:28:36 ‹Erik Mona› I mean, sure, it's cool, but it's not exactly original. :)
07/10/2008 21:28:40 ‹cappadocius› Erik Mona, you mean like Karsk?
07/10/2008 21:28:48 ‹Russ› There should be a magical disease that works like prions.
07/10/2008 21:28:58 ‹TheLesuit› Polynesia is a good source for that houstonderek,
07/10/2008 21:29:01 ‹Russ› Once it infects your magic, none of your spells can function the same way again.
07/10/2008 21:29:02 ‹Erik Mona› What is Karsk?
07/10/2008 21:29:11 ‹yoda8myhead› James & Erik, any spoilers you can divulge, since the chat is well into its second hour now?
07/10/2008 21:29:21 ‹Sir Wulf Multitasker› I'd beeter call it a night. Thanks for coming by, gentlemen!
07/10/2008 21:29:25 ‹cappadocius› The Pathfinder ranger iconic.
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07/10/2008 21:29:35 ‹Justin Sluder› Sir Wulf Multitasker, take care
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07/10/2008 21:29:35 ‹houstonderek› Erik, i laughed when i read that, chernobog as a cranky old man, definitely not what my players knew of him :)
07/10/2008 21:29:35 ‹James Jacobs› We DO know the names of another big pile of products... but we're not allowed to talk about them yet.
07/10/2008 21:29:37 ‹Daigle› Take care Sir Wulf
07/10/2008 21:29:40 ‹TheLesuit› Actually that is a good point Russ, I would like to see some actually scary diseases in Golarion.
07/10/2008 21:29:55 ‹Erik Mona› That's Harsk, not Karsk.
07/10/2008 21:30:00 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik can grant permission to divulge them
07/10/2008 21:30:07 ‹Russ› Three Days to the Grave qualifies :)
07/10/2008 21:30:11 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :woot: :D
07/10/2008 21:30:12 ‹houstonderek› TheLesuit, i'll have to check that ut, thanks!
07/10/2008 21:30:17 ‹houstonderek› out, even
07/10/2008 21:30:22 ‹James Jacobs› Harsk is a tea-drinking giant-hating dwarf. Not much wolverine in him, actaully.
07/10/2008 21:30:23 ‹cappadocius› K is just an H that's been in a fender bender!
07/10/2008 21:30:32 ‹Wyvern› yoda: Or give order 66 to the ninjas outside his house.
07/10/2008 21:30:33 ‹Hill Giant› Well, I'm off to the movies. G'night, folks!
07/10/2008 21:30:40 ‹TheLesuit› later HG.
07/10/2008 21:30:43 ‹Daigle› Take care HG
07/10/2008 21:30:45 ‹James Jacobs› TheLesuit> We did an awful lot of disease stuff in Pathfinder #8, actually.
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07/10/2008 21:30:47 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, he's a hairy dwarf that fights big giants, just like Wolverine vs The Hulk!
07/10/2008 21:30:56 ‹Justin Sluder› Hill Giant, what're you watching?
07/10/2008 21:30:56 ‹greengrunt› Have fun HG- what are you seeing?
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07/10/2008 21:31:23 ‹Ross› cappadocius, Hulk's the strongest one there is!
07/10/2008 21:31:24 ‹TheLesuit› Cool...thanks James Jacobs, I just started playing through CotCT last night.
07/10/2008 21:31:36 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 21:31:41 ‹TheLesuit› That is #8 isn't it/
07/10/2008 21:31:45 ‹James Jacobs› Yup
07/10/2008 21:31:47 ‹greengrunt› EM> Any plans on doing a swordlord prestige class for PF?
07/10/2008 21:31:59 ‹yoda8myhead› James or Erik, any advice on writing an adventure summary for PFS open call that will be a sure bet to win? PM me :D
07/10/2008 21:32:00 ‹James Jacobs› #8 is part two of Curse of the Crimson Throne.
07/10/2008 21:32:00 ‹TheLesuit› Nice...well I guess I will buff my FORT save.
07/10/2008 21:32:02 ‹cappadocius› Ross, but Harsk is the best there is at what he does, and what he does ain't pretty.
07/10/2008 21:32:11 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> HA! Nice try!
07/10/2008 21:32:24 ‹TheLesuit› Hey hey yoda8myhead, I'm totally going to win.
07/10/2008 21:32:36 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 21:32:44 ‹Daigle› I hear to win, you have to best Josh Frost in hand to hand combat.
07/10/2008 21:32:48 ‹TheLesuit› Of course, writing a four hour module will be a challenge.
07/10/2008 21:33:00 ‹greengrunt› :lol:@Daigle
07/10/2008 21:33:02 ‹Lilith› Daigle, I've heard that too! :ohnoes: :knight:
07/10/2008 21:33:04 ‹Butterfrog› in a mud pool
07/10/2008 21:33:06 ‹TheLesuit› Russ can tell you most of my mods are 8+
07/10/2008 21:33:06 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, Erik Mona, are you free to tell us the tiers the scenarios will be for?
07/10/2008 21:33:11 ‹yoda8myhead› TheLesuit, that attitude reeks of Chelaxian pride
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07/10/2008 21:33:40 ‹James Jacobs› Oh wow. That's like weird math. The scenarios are all over the place, but they generally start rising up toward 12th level as time goes by.
07/10/2008 21:33:41 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› I don't want to make any jokes for fear of shorter deadlines...
07/10/2008 21:33:49 ‹TheLesuit› And your attempts to wheedle it out of them stinks of Taldoran chicanery yoda8myhead,
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07/10/2008 21:34:01 ‹Russ› He is warped. Warped, I tell you. You have to be 8th level just to survive the imagery.
07/10/2008 21:34:05 ‹James Jacobs› Brian> DUE BY MIDNIGHT! MIDNIGHT YESTERDAY!!!!
07/10/2008 21:34:16 ‹Russ› oh, 8 hours, oops :)
07/10/2008 21:34:20 ‹Daigle› To the time machine!
07/10/2008 21:34:21 ‹Erik Mona› Justin> I have no idea.
07/10/2008 21:34:30 ‹greengrunt› D'oh.. Brian is in deep doodies!!
07/10/2008 21:34:33 ‹TheLesuit› I wrote some that weren't inherently evil Russ,
07/10/2008 21:34:46 ‹James Jacobs› Brian is actually one of my heroes right now, to be honest...
07/10/2008 21:34:54 ‹Pygon› yay Brian!
07/10/2008 21:35:02 ‹yoda8myhead› greengrunt, I think Brian is singlehandedly saving Paizo
07/10/2008 21:35:02 * Butterfrog looks at brian and wonders why?
07/10/2008 21:35:13 * Justin Sluder casts Summon Joshua J Frost :wizshiny:
07/10/2008 21:35:18 ‹TheLesuit› Awesome, no pressure BrianC-WritingAgain,
07/10/2008 21:35:20 ‹James Jacobs› Brian: You wanna spill the beans or shall I?
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07/10/2008 21:35:30 ‹greengrunt› JJ> You have an ever changing roster of heroes to rely upon.. Must be nice! :razz:
07/10/2008 21:35:36 ‹Pygon› :excite:
07/10/2008 21:35:39 ‹James Jacobs› Or we can wait... whatever works best!
07/10/2008 21:35:43 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› You can bean-spill. I'm finishing another section.
07/10/2008 21:35:47 ‹houstonderek› mmmm...spilled beans!
07/10/2008 21:35:49 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Excellent!
07/10/2008 21:35:57 ‹TheLesuit› That is just cruel James Jacobs, I like it.
07/10/2008 21:35:59 ‹greengrunt› We needest thy spillagus
07/10/2008 21:36:03 * yoda8myhead wants to be a hero
07/10/2008 21:36:19 * Butterfrog its eager for beans!!!
07/10/2008 21:36:21 ‹TheLesuit› yoda8myhead, I suggest no capes.
07/10/2008 21:36:24 ‹James Jacobs› Brian is writing Pathfinder #18's adventure, "Descent Into Midnight." Under an INSANE deadline. And now that it's out in the pubilc, he can't back out of it without SHAME!!!!
07/10/2008 21:36:33 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Woohoo! :dance2:
07/10/2008 21:36:36 ‹Pygon› ooo Brian, congrats!
07/10/2008 21:36:36 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
07/10/2008 21:36:41 ‹cappadocius› Is the deadline in 3 hours?
07/10/2008 21:36:42 ‹Justin Sluder› :excite:
07/10/2008 21:36:42 ‹Daigle› Rockin'!
07/10/2008 21:36:43 ‹greengrunt› Nice Brian!
07/10/2008 21:36:44 ‹TheLesuit› Awesome Brian.
07/10/2008 21:36:44 ‹Butterfrog› O.O
07/10/2008 21:36:45 ‹houstonderek› yay!
07/10/2008 21:36:48 ‹cappadocius› That would be truly insane.
07/10/2008 21:36:49 ‹greengrunt› Aye!
07/10/2008 21:36:50 ‹molrak› huzzah!
07/10/2008 21:36:52 ‹Justin Sluder› BrianC-WritingAgain, :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::head bang:
07/10/2008 21:36:53 ‹Russ› Mmmmmmmmmmm!
07/10/2008 21:37:01 ‹James Jacobs› HA! It's pretty soon. He's got a bit more than 3 hours though.
07/10/2008 21:37:01 ‹yoda8myhead› The whole thing, or finishing a previously started work?
07/10/2008 21:37:06 * Russ plots to hack James' computer and get the draft
21:37:13 ‹Ross› cappadocius, yesterday! 21 hours ago!
07/10/2008 21:37:16 ‹Pygon› 3 hours? good god :)
07/10/2008 21:37:22 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Well, more than 3 hours for the whole thing. I'm only giving myself another hour on this section.
07/10/2008 21:37:34 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Which only has another 300 to go, so I think I'll make it. :P
07/10/2008 21:37:37 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, who's up in the set pieces next for Second Darkness?
07/10/2008 21:37:37 ‹James Jacobs› Owen Stephens started writing it, but had to step away. Which sent me into panic mode for much of last week.
07/10/2008 21:37:43 ‹greengrunt› I heard it was stretched to six now... But still!
07/10/2008 21:37:50 * radec joins Main
07/10/2008 21:37:52 ‹James Jacobs› Let me see... Hmmm.
07/10/2008 21:37:57 ‹greengrunt› Hello radec
07/10/2008 21:37:58 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› :typerhappy: :typerhappy: :typerhappy: :sleep:
07/10/2008 21:38:00 ‹Daigle› Howdy radec
07/10/2008 21:38:03 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy radec
07/10/2008 21:38:08 ‹radec› howdy
07/10/2008 21:38:08 ‹yoda8myhead› add the phrase "phantasmagoric neologism" and I'll buy you dinner, BrianC-WritingAgain
07/10/2008 21:38:10 ‹Lilith› radec! :glomp:
07/10/2008 21:38:11 ‹greengrunt› :lol:@Brian
07/10/2008 21:38:18 ‹Pygon› James - yikes!
07/10/2008 21:38:20 ‹James Jacobs› Damn; can't remember who wrote Pathfinder #15's set piece. Wes Schneider did #16, and Josh Frost did #17 though.
07/10/2008 21:38:21 ‹Butterfrog› Hi Radec
07/10/2008 21:38:21 ‹Lilith› BrianC-WritingAgain, :coffee: ?
07/10/2008 21:38:40 ‹James Jacobs› :whipit:
07/10/2008 21:38:41 ‹radec› hi Lilith :thugs:
07/10/2008 21:38:49 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, Nick?
07/10/2008 21:38:53 ‹houstonderek› Brian, or :beer: :)
07/10/2008 21:38:56 ‹cappadocius› Was it me?
07/10/2008 21:38:59 ‹greengrunt› Is Erik Mona going to write a bit for an AP??
07/10/2008 21:39:04 ‹James Jacobs› Nope. Nick's been doing about 400 other things.
07/10/2008 21:39:05 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› I'm living on caffeine atm. IT was actually my signoff to my last email to James: "Caffeine. Whee!"
07/10/2008 21:39:09 ‹radec› hey butter frog
07/10/2008 21:39:14 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah! Is Erik Mona gonna write one? IS HE???
07/10/2008 21:39:19 ‹Erik Mona› This is certainly an interesting image:
07/10/2008 21:39:20 ‹Erik Mona› http://paizo.com/image/content...tem.jpg
07/10/2008 21:39:39 ‹Russ› Speaking of who wrote what, a unanimous THUMBS UP from my group for the concluson of Into the Wormcrawl Fissure! Thanks for making a challenging high level foe there.
07/10/2008 21:39:41 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, seen it already
07/10/2008 21:39:41 ‹Erik Mona› I dunno. Maybe. I'm taking a break from freelancing right now.
07/10/2008 21:39:43 ‹James Jacobs› HA! I'm still looking for typos in that map... :(
07/10/2008 21:39:43 ‹Pygon› what do you find most interesting about it?
07/10/2008 21:39:48 ‹yoda8myhead› give us something new
07/10/2008 21:39:50 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, yes it is. I immediately wanted to hop into my Nautilus spelljammer ship and go there right NAOW.
07/10/2008 21:39:54 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Thanks!
07/10/2008 21:39:59 * Mr Baron (Shanghai) quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 21:40:00 ‹greengrunt› Aye EM.. My curiousity is piqued just from that map
07/10/2008 21:40:01 ‹Erik Mona› James Jacobs is Into the Wormcrawl Fissure-man.
07/10/2008 21:40:12 ‹greengrunt› Particularly with the Diaspora
07/10/2008 21:40:12 ‹TheLesuit› <its only a model>
07/10/2008 21:40:16 ‹radec› which one is going to be screwed by the astronamy society?
07/10/2008 21:40:26 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:@ Lesuit
07/10/2008 21:40:28 ‹Erik Mona› Lilith> Put the nautilis aside and join me in an aethership, won't you?
07/10/2008 21:40:39 ‹Russ› Indeed he is, and it is their favorite mod of the series so far
07/10/2008 21:40:40 * Renner joins Main
07/10/2008 21:40:47 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Renner
07/10/2008 21:40:49 ‹Daigle› Howdy Renner
07/10/2008 21:40:53 ‹James Jacobs› Castrovel's the place to go. I mean... beautiful aliens and dinosaurs. No-brainer.
07/10/2008 21:40:57 ‹Butterfrog› Hola Renner
07/10/2008 21:40:58 ‹Renner› hello
07/10/2008 21:40:58 ‹Russ› I'm partial to Whispering Cairn :)
07/10/2008 21:40:58 * Erik Mona liked the first one.
07/10/2008 21:40:59 ‹Eyebite› Golarion's solar system is just too sweet...had to make it my desktop background
07/10/2008 21:41:02 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, that works too! To the aethership! :D
07/10/2008 21:41:07 ‹Erik Mona› James> Also: Formians.
07/10/2008 21:41:07 ‹Butterfrog› Aethership...mmm...
07/10/2008 21:41:08 ‹greengrunt› Ello Renner
07/10/2008 21:41:14 ‹Russ› Aetherships would be nice
07/10/2008 21:41:15 ‹Renner› whats up grunt
07/10/2008 21:41:28 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Hmm. "The Phantasmagoric Neologism of Particle Man..."
07/10/2008 21:41:31 ‹cappadocius› Aballon, baby.
07/10/2008 21:41:32 * Russ picked that moment to throw a rubber dinosaur for his dog
07/10/2008 21:41:41 ‹James Jacobs› Erik> True... also dinosaurs.
07/10/2008 21:41:41 ‹TheLesuit› Very SPACE: 1889
07/10/2008 21:41:42 ‹greengrunt› What's the story with Bretheda.. It looks awesome
07/10/2008 21:41:49 ‹cappadocius› ugh. You guys kept Formians??
07/10/2008 21:41:53 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm. "Also, Dinosaurs" is my new tag line.
07/10/2008 21:41:53 ‹yoda8myhead› BrianC-WritingAgain, dinner, I tell you! Dinner!
07/10/2008 21:42:05 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah! The thing formians are up to on Castrovel actually makes them cool!
07/10/2008 21:42:13 ‹cappadocius› We'll see about that!
07/10/2008 21:42:20 ‹James Jacobs› We will indeed!
07/10/2008 21:42:22 ‹Butterfrog› calvin and hoobes came to mind with the alien dinosaurs
07/10/2008 21:42:24 ‹James Jacobs› They worship Rovagug!
07/10/2008 21:42:32 * cappadocius narrows his eyes.
07/10/2008 21:42:33 ‹Daigle› ;)
07/10/2008 21:42:34 ‹cappadocius› For reals?
07/10/2008 21:42:34 ‹TheLesuit› Evil alien bugs!! YAY.
07/10/2008 21:42:35 ‹James Jacobs› And have verminous animal companions!
07/10/2008 21:42:47 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› heh
07/10/2008 21:42:55 ‹Lilith› Evil Alien Bugs with more bugs for pets? Win! :dance2:
07/10/2008 21:42:56 ‹TheLesuit› The verminoid items from Plots and Poison rocked.
07/10/2008 21:42:58 * Renner quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 21:43:00 ‹cappadocius› Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
07/10/2008 21:43:02 ‹Butterfrog› better pack some machineguns to fight vermin at space
07/10/2008 21:43:03 ‹Lilith› TheLesuit, yeah they did. :D
07/10/2008 21:43:09 ‹James Jacobs› Bretheda is the biggest planet. It's got its own solar system of moons and worlds around it.
07/10/2008 21:43:14 ‹Pygon› or are they animalous vermin companions...
07/10/2008 21:43:14 * Samwise joins Main
07/10/2008 21:43:19 ‹TheLesuit› I love bug armor.
07/10/2008 21:43:20 * Jason Bulmahn joins Main
07/10/2008 21:43:21 ‹Butterfrog› Hi Sam
07/10/2008 21:43:22 ‹greengrunt› Hello Samwise
07/10/2008 21:43:22 ‹Lilith› Samwise! :glomp:
07/10/2008 21:43:23 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Samwise
07/10/2008 21:43:24 ‹Lilith› BULLMAN!
07/10/2008 21:43:28 ‹James Jacobs› Of course, I could be making up formion propaganda just to vex Cappa...
07/10/2008 21:43:28 ‹cappadocius› Hi Jason!
07/10/2008 21:43:31 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hi there everybody
07/10/2008 21:43:33 ‹Pygon› welcome Jason!
07/10/2008 21:43:34 ‹greengrunt› Hello Jason
07/10/2008 21:43:35 ‹Eyebite› Hey Jason
07/10/2008 21:43:39 ‹TheLesuit› Welcome sir.
07/10/2008 21:43:40 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jason
07/10/2008 21:43:42 ‹Justin Sluder› Greetings Jason Bulmahn!
07/10/2008 21:43:42 ‹David› Jason Bulmahn, hi!
07/10/2008 21:43:42 ‹radec› hola Jason
07/10/2008 21:43:43 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sam
07/10/2008 21:43:43 ‹yoda8myhead› It's a Paizo Party
07/10/2008 21:43:45 ‹Pygon› RoG authors inhouse again!
07/10/2008 21:43:45 ‹Butterfrog› Hola Jason
07/10/2008 21:43:47 ‹Erik Mona› Cappa> Formians are on our "Venus" as a nod to their pulp author creator, a writer named Ralph Milne Farley, who was one of the first authors to write in the interplanetary traditions of Edgar Rice Burroughs's "John Carter of Mars" stories.
07/10/2008 21:43:49 ‹yoda8myhead› a veritable Golem Gala
07/10/2008 21:43:57 * Lilith lays out the bento bar for the Paizonians. :sushi: :ninja: :sushi2:
07/10/2008 21:44:07 ‹Samwise› howdy
07/10/2008 21:44:07 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hows everybody doin tonight?
07/10/2008 21:44:07 * Justin Sluder doesn't know if he can handle anymore Paizo awesome in the chat room :excite::excite::excite::excite::excite::excite:
07/10/2008 21:44:13 ‹Russ› Jason! How's the hardest working man in game design?
21:44:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Busy russ... very busy...
07/10/2008 21:44:28 * Butterfrog steals a tako sushi
07/10/2008 21:44:30 ‹cappadocius› Erik Mona, interesting! Seriously. But that doesn't make me like Formians any better!
07/10/2008 21:44:31 * Daigle is doing well
07/10/2008 21:44:32 ‹cappadocius› Nossir.
07/10/2008 21:44:34 ‹James Jacobs› Busy playing Xbox, I bet.
07/10/2008 21:44:42 ‹greengrunt› :D
07/10/2008 21:44:48 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, domain casting! Please!
07/10/2008 21:44:56 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, says the guy that's going to be hopping onto WoW later. ;)
07/10/2008 21:45:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James... I wish... although I did just catch up on heroes after the relatively dull debate
07/10/2008 21:45:09 ‹James Jacobs› Who says I'm not on there already?
07/10/2008 21:45:09 ‹yoda8myhead› Jason Bulmahn, keep new domains!
07/10/2008 21:45:10 ‹cappadocius› They used Formians to write the modrons out of the multiverse.
07/10/2008 21:45:14 ‹James Jacobs› Gotta farm up some more cobra scales!
07/10/2008 21:45:15 ‹cappadocius› I'll never forgive the Formians!
07/10/2008 21:45:19 ‹Russ› Jason - Loved the closing shot this week :)
07/10/2008 21:45:20 ‹Erik Mona› Cappadocius> Then you should avoid certain parts of Castrovel. Other than that, you probably won't see them.
07/10/2008 21:45:23 ‹TheLesuit› Jason Bulmahn, sword & board defensive feats please. :D
07/10/2008 21:45:24 ‹Jason Bulmahn› The new domains are here to stay... sorry Ross
07/10/2008 21:45:42 ‹greengrunt› Ahh.. That's right tonight is a WOW night for JJ isn't it?? #-o Doing a raid this evening??
07/10/2008 21:45:47 ‹TheLesuit› You should call the Orkin Man cappadocius,
07/10/2008 21:45:48 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, yoda8myhead, I like the new domains. I'm not trying to get rid of them. I mean in place of spontaneous healing.
07/10/2008 21:45:50 ‹yoda8myhead› Jason Bulmahn, wheee!
07/10/2008 21:45:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ... me too
07/10/2008 21:46:07 ‹James Jacobs› Every night is WoW night. It's how I unwind after spending a day in the word mines!
07/10/2008 21:46:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross... ahh.. I see. That is something to consider
07/10/2008 21:46:17 ‹greengrunt› :D
07/10/2008 21:46:31 ‹James Jacobs› AND: My schedule is, alas, too random to be much of a raider.
07/10/2008 21:46:31 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› I only wish there was a Designer profession advancement bar.
07/10/2008 21:46:36 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Horde or Alliance? And what class?
07/10/2008 21:46:41 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Then I'd know when I qualify for my new recipes...
07/10/2008 21:46:50 ‹Mr Baron (Shanghai)› Jason - are we going to see an updated Beta anytime soon?
07/10/2008 21:46:50 ‹cappadocius› Erik Mona, yay! But we will see plenty of Cloud People, right?
07/10/2008 21:46:52 ‹Daigle› Jason, any thoughts on the idea of making the travel domain dimensional hop line of sight?
07/10/2008 21:47:01 ‹James Jacobs› Alliance, of course! Night elf hunter!
07/10/2008 21:47:06 ‹Lilith› BrianC-WritingAgain, three adventures, six monsters, five feats. Go! :D
07/10/2008 21:47:13 ‹James Jacobs› With dinosaur pet.
07/10/2008 21:47:20 ‹greengrunt› Alliance! :-& Hunters rock though!
07/10/2008 21:47:25 ‹Pygon› I liked scaring the crap out of Horde with my invisible cat
07/10/2008 21:47:28 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, Channel Energy and Spontaneous healing are treading the same ground twice. Domain casting would also be doubling up with the new mechanics, but it would help make different faiths more different, instead of more alike.
07/10/2008 21:47:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mr Baron (Shanghai), Not really, we will be releasing some updates though. I am hoping to put up some revised rules for animal companions and a reworked paladin soon though.
07/10/2008 21:47:32 ‹greengrunt› I had a 70 tauren hunter
07/10/2008 21:47:48 ‹greengrunt› Until I said to hell with the game
07/10/2008 21:47:50 ‹James Jacobs› war stomp = cheating, of course...
07/10/2008 21:47:54 * Mr Baron (Shanghai) quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 21:47:57 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
07/10/2008 21:48:01 ‹Russ› I like spontaneous healing - I feel without it, no one would prep healing. And you still need it for theb ig damage.
07/10/2008 21:48:09 ‹Russ› Although the area spells feel somewhat redundant
07/10/2008 21:48:11 * Erik Mona does not play WOW.
07/10/2008 21:48:14 * Erik Mona plays GTA.
07/10/2008 21:48:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross, On this we can agree... I will ruminate on the possiblity
07/10/2008 21:48:24 ‹greengrunt› =D< to Erik
07/10/2008 21:48:25 * Erik Mona will be playing GTA very shortly.
07/10/2008 21:48:27 * Russ plays DDR
07/10/2008 21:48:28 ‹James Jacobs› You can play both! It's awesome!
07/10/2008 21:48:29 * TheLesuit does not play WOW...only plays CivIII
07/10/2008 21:48:35 ‹greengrunt› GTA??
07/10/2008 21:48:44 * James Jacobs will shortly be playing Fallout 3!
07/10/2008 21:48:52 ‹yoda8myhead› Which GTA?
07/10/2008 21:48:54 ‹greengrunt› FALLOUT 3!!
07/10/2008 21:48:55 ‹houstonderek› Erik Mona, releasing the inner "g" ;)
07/10/2008 21:48:56 ‹Lilith› Fallout 3! YAY!
07/10/2008 21:49:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I will be painting some of my 40K figs shortly... as Erik should be doing... :-P
07/10/2008 21:49:11 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, thank you! (I like the idea of Fire Clerics being able to prepare cure light, but turn it into Burning Hands later.)
07/10/2008 21:49:15 * yoda8myhead will shortly be playing sleep
07/10/2008 21:49:33 ‹cappadocius› yeah. Off to bed.
07/10/2008 21:49:34 * Daigle likes playing sleep.
07/10/2008 21:49:37 ‹CD Working› Russ, the sponaneous casting (healing) allows more flexability for the clerics
07/10/2008 21:49:42 ‹TheLesuit› Spontaneous domain spells...is that forthcoming. Awesome!!
07/10/2008 21:49:46 ‹cappadocius› Exciting developments on the Pathfinder front. Hooray!
07/10/2008 21:49:47 * cappadocius quit
07/10/2008 21:49:48 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Umm, GTA:Fallout 3?
07/10/2008 21:49:52 ‹Daigle› That's where I'm a viking!
07/10/2008 21:49:56 ‹greengrunt› I'm tempted to get an XBox just to play Fallout 3
07/10/2008 21:49:57 ‹James Jacobs› GTA<Fallout 3
07/10/2008 21:49:58 ‹Jason Bulmahn› TheLesuit, It is something I am considering
07/10/2008 21:50:10 ‹TheLesuit› I used to homerule that Jason Bulmahn,
07/10/2008 21:50:13 ‹Erik Mona› GTA4 on the X-Box 360.
07/10/2008 21:50:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Daigle, Nice.. I always appreciate a Ralph quote
07/10/2008 21:50:16 * Butterfrog looks for cappa...?
07/10/2008 21:50:43 ‹greengrunt› GTA stands for ... Gargantuan Trepidatious Androids??
07/10/2008 21:50:52 ‹Erik Mona› Daigle> If you're a Viking, at least it means you won this week, unlike the hated PACKERS.
07/10/2008 21:51:16 ‹James Jacobs› Oh boy. Here we go.
07/10/2008 21:51:21 ‹Daigle› :lol:
07/10/2008 21:51:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Suck it Mona.... ugg... my team has a Palin for a coach.. ugg...
07/10/2008 21:51:31 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-)
07/10/2008 21:51:33 ‹TheLesuit› I still think Hand of the Acolyte is a little too badass Jason Bulmahn, but I do like the new domain stuff.
07/10/2008 21:51:47 ‹Pygon› it's a derogatory term now...
07/10/2008 21:51:51 ‹houstonderek› Daigle, just make sure your viking whups some boomer sooner butt ;)
07/10/2008 21:51:53 ‹James Jacobs› The only way to deflect a Packers rant is to use Doctor Who Fu or a Political Parry or a Pulp Fiction Sideline.
07/10/2008 21:51:53 * Mr Baron (Shanghai) quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 21:51:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› TheLesuit, I am in agreement.. and I am hoping to scale it back a bit
07/10/2008 21:51:57 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon, It is for me
07/10/2008 21:52:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-)
07/10/2008 21:52:03 ‹Pygon› hehe
07/10/2008 21:52:19 ‹Daigle› I'm a terrible person to talk to about football.
07/10/2008 21:52:21 ‹greengrunt› GTA= Gitmo Trifecta Anomaly?
07/10/2008 21:52:24 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James Jacobs, Do the Packers look like a b!%*~...
07/10/2008 21:52:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-)
07/10/2008 21:52:38 ‹Butterfrog› greengrunt, give it up...they are not telling
07/10/2008 21:52:41 ‹Erik Mona› Not _that_ Pulp Fiction, dummy.
07/10/2008 21:52:46 ‹yoda8myhead› ok, I'm off to bed early tonight
07/10/2008 21:52:46 ‹James Jacobs› The Packers... the Packers... they're that vollyeball team from Manitoba, yeah?
07/10/2008 21:52:49 ‹Ross› Other benefits of spontaneous domains: Holy Word can go back to being a Good domain spell, instead of just a cleric spell, and the 'You need a cleric' level of cleric healing is scaled back, unless you have a Healing cleric, in which case you deserve it.
07/10/2008 21:52:55 ‹Erik Mona› GRAND THEFT AUTO.
07/10/2008 21:53:01 ‹Lilith› DOCTOR WHO FU! Number one alien/monster/critter from Doctor Who you want in Golarion, if you didn't have to worry about IP and all that rot. :P
07/10/2008 21:53:01 ‹David› Jason Bulmahn, what is your secret painting project?
07/10/2008 21:53:05 ‹greengrunt› @Butterfrog Aye..
07/10/2008 21:53:13 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Erik Mona, Oh... umm... yeah.. I knew that...
07/10/2008 21:53:15 ‹greengrunt› AHHHH... ohhh.. That GTA
07/10/2008 21:53:18 ‹Ross› Oooh. Evil Clerics, but with the Healing domain.
07/10/2008 21:53:19 ‹Daigle› UT football drives me nuts. Those damned fans park in my goddamned neighborhood!
07/10/2008 21:53:22 ‹CD Working› the packers do work in warehouses don't they
07/10/2008 21:53:24 ‹TheLesuit› I've been really impressed by PFRPG, so despite all the churn you are certainly producing something everyone wants Jason Bulmahn,
07/10/2008 21:53:26 ‹Jason Bulmahn› David, I am not telling
07/10/2008 21:53:29 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I have no knowledge of Doctor Who. I just know that one can derail any Erik Mona conversation by mentioning the series.
07/10/2008 21:53:32 ‹David› :(
07/10/2008 21:53:35 ‹houstonderek› Daigle, you live in hyde park or west u???
07/10/2008 21:53:35 ‹Erik Mona› I don't really want any Doctor Who aliens in Golarion.
07/10/2008 21:53:36 ‹James Jacobs› It's like asking me about dinosaurs.
07/10/2008 21:53:43 ‹Daigle› East side
07/10/2008 21:53:44 ‹greengrunt› Erik Mona apparently likes to play chaotic evil PCs I would imagine?? :razz:
07/10/2008 21:53:47 ‹Erik Mona› Worlds Collide, and all that.
07/10/2008 21:53:48 * David wanders off again
07/10/2008 21:53:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› TheLesuit, Thanks... its a lot of work... but it has been a very positive experience thus far
07/10/2008 21:54:04 ‹TheLesuit› Get off my lawn Daigle,
07/10/2008 21:54:13 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, okay, on Castrovel/Akiton/etc? :P
07/10/2008 21:54:17 ‹Daigle› :)
07/10/2008 21:54:24 ‹houstonderek› Daigle, ah! ok. i lived on riverside for abit before moving to 4th street (the railyard) when i attended the u
07/10/2008 21:54:26 ‹Erik Mona› I played a lawful good character in Monte Cook's Ptolus campaign for about 5 years.
07/10/2008 21:54:27 * Dennis da Ogre joins Main
07/10/2008 21:54:33 ‹Russ› I'd kind of like to see the ones that grow in fat tissue :) But much nastier.
07/10/2008 21:54:36 ‹Daigle› Howdy Dennis
07/10/2008 21:54:38 ‹Lilith› Dennis da Ogre! :glomp:
07/10/2008 21:54:40 ‹Butterfrog› Hi Dennis!
07/10/2008 21:54:46 ‹Erik Mona› Hi, Dennis!
07/10/2008 21:54:46 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Howdy all
07/10/2008 21:54:50 ‹greengrunt› Which explains the addiction to GTA :D :razz:
07/10/2008 21:54:53 ‹Daigle› houstonderek, I live right off Manor rd
07/10/2008 21:54:56 ‹houstonderek› howdy dennis :)
07/10/2008 21:55:01 ‹David› has anyone asked if the diaspora was part of eox and what happened to them?
07/10/2008 21:55:05 ‹greengrunt› Ello Dennis
07/10/2008 21:55:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Howdy Dennis
07/10/2008 21:55:16 ‹TheLesuit› I think releasing things in waves and allowing massive contributions/comments as meant that you aren't going to produce something that sucks either . Jason Bulmahn,
07/10/2008 21:55:17 ‹James Jacobs› David> No one has asked that yet. And the answer is: It's a mystery!
07/10/2008 21:55:17 ‹houstonderek› Daigle, cool, i had a friend who lived on manor when i was there
07/10/2008 21:55:23 ‹Ross› David, no, but we found out that the Diaspora is likely full 'o skymetal.
21:55:35 ‹David› ooh skymetal
07/10/2008 21:55:41 ‹James Jacobs› yeah; it's lousy wiht the stuff.
07/10/2008 21:55:45 ‹yoda8myhead› good night all!
07/10/2008 21:55:47 ‹David› were they the same planet once?
07/10/2008 21:55:50 ‹Pygon› bye yoda
07/10/2008 21:55:52 ‹David› yoda8myhead, night
07/10/2008 21:55:52 ‹Daigle› Goodnight yoda!
07/10/2008 21:55:53 ‹Eyebite› Eox is so oddly shaped, it looks like the chunk that survived whatever happened to the diaspora
07/10/2008 21:55:53 ‹James Jacobs› Maybe. Maybe not.
07/10/2008 21:55:58 ‹greengrunt› Aethership mineral wars in the Diaspora!!
07/10/2008 21:56:02 ‹TheLesuit› Night yoda.
07/10/2008 21:56:06 ‹Eyebite› Night yoda
07/10/2008 21:56:11 * yoda8myhead quit
07/10/2008 21:56:12 ‹James Jacobs› Eox does indeed have a pretty hillacious dent in it. And it's called "The Dead" so that's a hint too.
07/10/2008 21:56:29 ‹greengrunt› Night John Boy.. I mean yoda... Damn I missed him! :razz:
07/10/2008 21:56:32 ‹James Jacobs› The Diaspora and Eox weren't the same planet thoguh, I can say that at least.
07/10/2008 21:56:35 ‹Pygon› Hard to imagine a skymetal planet. Touchdown! *clunk*
07/10/2008 21:56:35 ‹houstonderek› TheLesuit, um, is paizo capable of releasing something that sucks? i'd be shocked, they've got a zero "suck factor" so far ;)
07/10/2008 21:56:45 ‹David› is it part of a god? :)
07/10/2008 21:56:45 ‹Russ› ooooh something like cavorite or nth-metal?
07/10/2008 21:56:50 ‹Russ› OR that stuff in Buck Rogers?
07/10/2008 21:56:54 ‹James Jacobs› We're perfectly capable of releasing suck!
07/10/2008 21:56:59 ‹James Jacobs› David> nope.
07/10/2008 21:57:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James Jacobs, Shhh... don't tell anyone...
07/10/2008 21:57:11 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Like unobtanium!
07/10/2008 21:57:15 ‹houstonderek› James, prove it! i dare you!!!
07/10/2008 21:57:15 ‹TheLesuit› Well...I'll let my reviews speak for themselves rather than go there. houstonderek,
07/10/2008 21:57:17 ‹Ross› Eox also orbits backward. I think it and the two planets that became the diaspora wre hit by something moving very fast.
07/10/2008 21:57:27 ‹greengrunt› greengrunt hopes JJ dons his anti-suck armor
07/10/2008 21:57:28 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, Russ, or Handwavium.
07/10/2008 21:57:30 ‹James Jacobs› houstondrerek> Already did!
07/10/2008 21:57:33 ‹Russ› James - that movie is so underrated :)
07/10/2008 21:57:46 ‹Russ› (yeah, I know unobtanium predates it)
07/10/2008 21:57:58 ‹Butterfrog› Oksy guys, my wife its getting desperate and my doggie too....gotta log of now... Great chat tonite!
07/10/2008 21:58:02 ‹TheLesuit› I want some cheddite.
07/10/2008 21:58:03 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Quarantine this weekend?
07/10/2008 21:58:08 ‹James Jacobs› yEAH!
07/10/2008 21:58:10 ‹Dennis da Ogre› gnote hugo
07/10/2008 21:58:11 ‹TheLesuit› Night Hugo.
07/10/2008 21:58:11 * Renner quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 21:58:11 * Renner quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 21:58:13 ‹greengrunt› Night Butters
07/10/2008 21:58:13 ‹David› Butterfrog, your dog ? ;-?
07/10/2008 21:58:13 ‹houstonderek› James, mind you, i missed pretty much everything between my dungeon subscription and this august...
07/10/2008 21:58:16 ‹James Jacobs› Looking forward to Quarantine AND Appaloosa.
07/10/2008 21:58:19 ‹David› :-?
07/10/2008 21:58:21 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Err G'nite
07/10/2008 21:58:23 ‹Butterfrog› My doggie is here too david
07/10/2008 21:58:31 ‹David› and desperate?
07/10/2008 21:58:32 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, Erik Mona, definative answer: What is harder, Adamantine or Diamonds?
07/10/2008 21:58:35 ‹David› for what?
07/10/2008 21:58:36 ‹James Jacobs› Of course, one person's Suck is another person's Genius.
07/10/2008 21:58:39 ‹Butterfrog› and barks when she wants to leave (the dog!)
07/10/2008 21:58:44 ‹greengrunt› Appaloosa! I forgot that was coming out
07/10/2008 21:58:44 ‹James Jacobs› Adamantine
07/10/2008 21:58:50 ‹Butterfrog› well, gotta go
07/10/2008 21:58:55 ‹Butterfrog› buenas noches a todos
07/10/2008 21:58:55 ‹Pygon› gnite Frog
07/10/2008 21:58:57 ‹David› Butterfrog, bye!
07/10/2008 21:58:58 ‹Daigle› Have a great evening Hugo!
07/10/2008 21:59:13 ‹David› ill torment you tommorow about this deperate dog!
07/10/2008 21:59:14 ‹Ross› Really? Cool.
07/10/2008 21:59:21 * Russ would go for "equally hard" :)
07/10/2008 21:59:26 ‹houstonderek› James, yeah. like, i argue with a friend over 1e fiend folio all the time (i'm in the "why did i waste 12 bucks camp...)
07/10/2008 21:59:29 ‹TheLesuit› What James Jacobs, I think you are forgetting ego stat's here...
07/10/2008 21:59:35 ‹Justin Sluder› cya Hugo
07/10/2008 21:59:52 ‹James Jacobs› ego stat's?
07/10/2008 21:59:57 ‹houstonderek› Butterfrog, buenos noches, amigo ;)
07/10/2008 22:00:03 ‹James Jacobs› :?:
07/10/2008 22:00:06 * Butterfrog quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:00:10 ‹TheLesuit› My suck must be everyone's suck.
07/10/2008 22:00:21 ‹Ross› Diamonds probably have a higher strength/weight ratio, though.
07/10/2008 22:00:22 ‹greengrunt› JJ> What with the 70 hour work weeks coming up your office campaign will be postponed for a month??
07/10/2008 22:00:28 ‹radec› i wish Paizo would release the bestiary in the format of 2ed monstrous manual
07/10/2008 22:00:38 ‹James Jacobs› Diamonds shatter easier though.
07/10/2008 22:00:48 ‹Russ› Is adamantine a good heat or electrical conductor? Hmm.
07/10/2008 22:01:01 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Yup. It's looking like the end of October to start the Sandpoint game. Maybe a little sooner.
07/10/2008 22:01:08 ‹James Jacobs› I dunno yet.
07/10/2008 22:01:15 ‹TheLesuit› Is adamantine ferrous?
07/10/2008 22:01:15 ‹houstonderek› TheLesuit, is this your handl eon the boards as well? i wanna read your reviews now :)
07/10/2008 22:01:18 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, diamonds also burn. (It's kinda cool to watch.)
07/10/2008 22:01:27 ‹TheLesuit› Yep houstonderek,
07/10/2008 22:01:32 ‹Russ› I think it is non-ferrous. Generally non-reactive, too.
07/10/2008 22:01:32 ‹houstonderek› cool
07/10/2008 22:01:42 * David hands Russ an adamantium rod
07/10/2008 22:01:42 ‹greengrunt› I have to work the liquor store on Friday night.. Halloween.. We're going to get robbed! #-o
07/10/2008 22:01:43 ‹Russ› And very heavy.
07/10/2008 22:01:46 ‹James Jacobs› Adamantine is not ferrous, I don't think. It probably conducts electricity and heat VERY well though.
07/10/2008 22:01:49 ‹David› :wizzap:
07/10/2008 22:01:51 ‹TheLesuit› I am nothing if not overly verbose and full of myself houstonderek,
07/10/2008 22:01:59 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, is it magnetic?
07/10/2008 22:01:59 ‹Russ› I figure it's like osmium or iridium.
07/10/2008 22:02:00 ‹Daigle› greeny, is that a regular thing?
07/10/2008 22:02:01 ‹David› feel anything Russ?
07/10/2008 22:02:19 * Russ gives David back his rod with an odd look
07/10/2008 22:02:26 ‹Ross› Russ, if it were osmium you wouldn't be able to lift an adamantine axe.
07/10/2008 22:02:40 ‹TheLesuit› David, put that away. We have company.
07/10/2008 22:02:48 ‹greengrunt› Robbery? Well.. The store has been robbed twice so far.. In 10-12 years :)
07/10/2008 22:03:00 * David puts the rod back in TheLesuit's drawer
07/10/2008 22:03:00 ‹Daigle› When are we going to get the Pathfinder Geology book? complete with feats like Profession (smelter) and such?
07/10/2008 22:03:00 ‹James Jacobs› Adamantium is, of course, magic. So it's probably like osmium for some things and tin for others.
07/10/2008 22:03:06 ‹Russ› I figure there's only a few ounces of real adamantine in an adamantine weapon - alloyed with other metals so you can actually work it :)
07/10/2008 22:03:29 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> The Pathfinder Geology book is scheduled for March, 2058.
07/10/2008 22:03:36 ‹David› adamantium foil!
07/10/2008 22:03:40 ‹Daigle› Spectacular!
07/10/2008 22:03:42 ‹houstonderek› TheLesuit, i think you were constructive, actually. well written reviews (i liked classic monsters, though, but i'm a sucker for fluff ;))
07/10/2008 22:03:47 ‹TheLesuit› Nice wait for it Daigle,
07/10/2008 22:03:47 ‹Dennis da Ogre› I'll mark my calendar
07/10/2008 22:03:51 ‹greengrunt› 2058?? Who's writing that one!?
07/10/2008 22:03:51 ‹Russ› Plus you can use it in much smaller amounts than weaker metals, due to the weight and strength
07/10/2008 22:03:53 * Daigle starts taking his vitamins
07/10/2008 22:03:56 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Adamantine-weave kevlar.
07/10/2008 22:04:13 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› greengrunt> I am. My deadline is next week.
07/10/2008 22:04:17 ‹houstonderek› greengrunt, that would be erik mona III
07/10/2008 22:04:19 ‹Pygon› next on Smash Lab.
07/10/2008 22:04:26 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:@Brian
07/10/2008 22:04:27 ‹Russ› Probably more than a few ounces, but I do think it is alloyed.
07/10/2008 22:04:29 ‹TheLesuit› My son will be writing the Pathfinder Geology book.
07/10/2008 22:04:33 * Erik Mona quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:04:34 ‹Ross› BrianC-WritingAgain, I don't think adamantine to be ductile enough to make adamantine-weave anything.
07/10/2008 22:04:42 ‹Russ› Any chance of mithral working against DR/silver?
07/10/2008 22:05:00 ‹David› we lost Eric!
07/10/2008 22:05:00 ‹James Jacobs› Nick Logue is writing it. We gave him a deadline that he should be able to hit. :P
07/10/2008 22:05:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ, maybe.... I have thought about that in the past...
07/10/2008 22:05:03 ‹greengrunt› Aye
07/10/2008 22:05:04 ‹David› Erik!
07/10/2008 22:05:16 ‹James Jacobs› TAKE THAT, NICK!!:cockpunch:
07/10/2008 22:05:20 ‹Pygon› with ambple time to edit out 40% of it!
07/10/2008 22:05:25 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Bwaha!
07/10/2008 22:05:25 ‹David› :lol:
07/10/2008 22:05:27 ‹Pygon› -n
07/10/2008 22:05:28 ‹greengrunt› Maybe he had to console/appease his woman??
07/10/2008 22:05:32 ‹Russ› I've been playing that way in Age of Worms, and the PCs love it for given them a reason to make a mithral weapon :)
07/10/2008 22:05:35 ‹Pygon› yeesh, can't type
07/10/2008 22:05:38 ‹TheLesuit› Nice James Jacobs,
07/10/2008 22:05:42 ‹Ross› Russ, Jason Bulmahn, I point out that if mithral works for DR/silver, than Alchemical silver doesn't have to change stat wise, which helps with backward compatible stat blocsk.
07/10/2008 22:05:54 ‹greengrunt› Or maybe my inquisition on Rostland drove him out of chat?? :razz:
07/10/2008 22:06:03 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Mithril is pretty durned good already.
07/10/2008 22:06:22 * David goes to get his carnivean
07/10/2008 22:06:23 * Ross can't type, apparently.
07/10/2008 22:06:25 ‹TheLesuit› Everytime you say that David, I want to follow up with "there's some lovely filth down here."
07/10/2008 22:06:28 * Mr Baron (Shanghai) quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:06:33 ‹James Jacobs› Alchemical silver weapons doing -1 damage is up there on my list of STUPID for 3.5.
07/10/2008 22:06:43 ‹David› TheLesuit, say what?
07/10/2008 22:06:45 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
07/10/2008 22:06:48 ‹TheLesuit› Erik.
07/10/2008 22:06:50 ‹Russ› I agree.
07/10/2008 22:06:55 ‹Russ› Particularly with things like maces.
07/10/2008 22:06:56 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, it is. But if Mithril were the 'upgrade' then it doesn't need to be fixed.
07/10/2008 22:06:59 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› I always looked at mithral as "truesilver." There's nothing, to me, that silver can do that mithral shouldn't be better at.
07/10/2008 22:07:06 ‹Dennis da Ogre› @James - Does anyone actually play it that way?
07/10/2008 22:07:06 ‹Russ› So what, a silver mace is MORE BLUNT than an iron one?
07/10/2008 22:07:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James Jacobs, I agree... I know silver is soft... but tell that to anyone who has been cut by a silver knife...
07/10/2008 22:07:15 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ, Exactly
07/10/2008 22:07:26 ‹James Jacobs› I'd rather just say that silver weapons do normal damage, and keep it at that. And not let mithral into that scene, because "being only hurt by silver" is a lot more cool than "Being only hurt by silver and oh also mithral too."
07/10/2008 22:07:36 ‹Russ› Yep, silver keeps a decent edge, so...eh :)
07/10/2008 22:07:41 ‹greengrunt› :D
07/10/2008 22:07:42 ‹TheLesuit› Were you checking for lycanthropy Jason Bulmahn, ?
07/10/2008 22:07:50 * BrianC-WritingAgain always thougt the weapon sizes thing was kinda lame for 3.X....
07/10/2008 22:08:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James Jacobs, I agree.. but there is some mythology behind it being a "true silver" as Brian mentioned
07/10/2008 22:08:04 ‹greengrunt› Unless of course the weapon were mithra-silver!! :razz:
07/10/2008 22:08:17 ‹houstonderek› BrianC, yes, but it was hilarious in OOTS...
07/10/2008 22:08:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› TheLesuit, Maybe.. what's it to you... excuse me.. I gotta go check the moon...
07/10/2008 22:08:32 ‹TheLesuit› Arduin had a silver-mithril alloy...silveel or somesuch.
07/10/2008 22:08:39 ‹James Jacobs› I'd be okay with saying "mithral counts as silver for DR" in the mithral description, I guess. But I dont' wanna see "DR 10/silver (mithral)" or any bullshit like that.
07/10/2008 22:08:41 ‹Pygon› :werewolf:
07/10/2008 22:08:52 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon, Nice
07/10/2008 22:08:53 ‹TheLesuit› What neighborhood you live in Jason Bulmahn, ?
07/10/2008 22:08:54 ‹houstonderek› TheLesuit, ah, you're the other one! dave hargrave lives!
07/10/2008 22:09:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James Jacobs, Me neither...
07/10/2008 22:09:03 ‹greengrunt› JJ> How about DR 10/bullshit?? :razz:
07/10/2008 22:09:11 ‹James Jacobs› I wish I had that.
07/10/2008 22:09:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› TheLesuit, Umm.. one with houses...
07/10/2008 22:09:22 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
07/10/2008 22:09:30 ‹Dennis da Ogre› So you were only vulnerable to damage by bullshit?
07/10/2008 22:09:30 ‹Daigle› One of my players has a +1 bullshit crossbow, so that'd never work
07/10/2008 22:09:34 ‹David› i think the forums need that
07/10/2008 22:09:35 ‹James Jacobs› That'd work better than earphones at work!
07/10/2008 22:09:41 ‹TheLesuit› In the city though...so not out here in the sticks. Jason Bulmahn,
07/10/2008 22:09:44 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
07/10/2008 22:09:45 ‹Eyebite› hm I like the concept of mithral as a kind of "super silver" *files away for future note*
07/10/2008 22:09:51 ‹Ross› Mithral is mostly bling on weapons anyway. By the time you can afford it, it's not like the encumbrance is still an issue.
07/10/2008 22:09:58 ‹Jason Bulmahn› TheLesuit, Correct...
07/10/2008 22:10:02 ‹Dennis da Ogre› No, bullshit is plentiful, to easy to bypass 10/bullshit.
07/10/2008 22:10:09 ‹Ross› Making it overcome DR/silver would make it worth the price.
07/10/2008 22:10:21 ‹TheLesuit› I always thought bullshit was a depth/pressure thing.
07/10/2008 22:10:21 ‹Russ› James- agreed with the method of writing the stat block, it should stay DR.silver
07/10/2008 22:10:31 ‹houstonderek› Dennis da Ogre, any politician can overcome that DR with a smile...
07/10/2008 22:10:31 ‹TheLesuit› I know my watch it good to 10m of bullshit.
07/10/2008 22:10:32 ‹Ross› I do agree with James, though, that needs to go in the Mithral rules, not stat blocks.
07/10/2008 22:10:45 ‹TheLesuit› Now it is an attack type. Crap.
07/10/2008 22:11:11 * TheLesuit lives out beyond the Redmond Barrens.
07/10/2008 22:11:12 ‹James Jacobs› That said... I'm actually okay if mithral weapons are just fancy, and don't have any extra qualities. <shrug>
07/10/2008 22:11:47 ‹greengrunt› Paizo needs to make a monster.. Like a rust monster is attracted to metal... SO the Doodygobbler is attracted to bullshit
07/10/2008 22:11:50 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Well folks buy adamantine weapons and mithril armor... I'm ok with that.
07/10/2008 22:12:00 ‹TheLesuit› Yeah, Dennis da Ogre, you need like Dr 10/anti-bullshit.
07/10/2008 22:12:24 ‹Dennis da Ogre› If that's an interesting thought. Silver weapons would be immune to a rust monster.
07/10/2008 22:12:25 ‹James Jacobs› Woah. Goodman Games is gonna start printing CoC adventures! (gets out wallet)
07/10/2008 22:12:31 ‹TheLesuit› Something like 10/Veracity.
07/10/2008 22:12:33 ‹greengrunt› Sick a pack of doodygobblers on some corrupt noblemen!!
07/10/2008 22:12:37 ‹Pygon› I'd prefer DR 10/soft feathers
07/10/2008 22:12:38 * Timitius joins Main
07/10/2008 22:12:44 ‹Dennis da Ogre› If Adamantine is non-ferrous they would be immune to rust monsters too.
07/10/2008 22:12:46 ‹Daigle› Tim!
07/10/2008 22:12:48 ‹greengrunt› Hello Timi!
07/10/2008 22:12:49 ‹TheLesuit› TIM!
07/10/2008 22:12:53 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Hey tim
07/10/2008 22:12:54 ‹Justin Sluder› howdy Timitius!
07/10/2008 22:12:54 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Howdy Tim
07/10/2008 22:12:57 ‹James Jacobs› Greetings, Mr. T!
07/10/2008 22:13:01 ‹Pygon› hi Tim
07/10/2008 22:13:01 ‹Ross› Dennis da Ogre, it still might corrode like any other metal.
07/10/2008 22:13:02 ‹David› hi Tim!
07/10/2008 22:13:05 * TheLesuit believes they sometime call him Tim.
07/10/2008 22:13:07 ‹Timitius› Hey there everyone!
07/10/2008 22:13:10 ‹Lilith› TIMMEH! My fellow dictator! :D
07/10/2008 22:13:22 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Err, rust monsters don't care if your metal is ferrous or not.
07/10/2008 22:13:23 ‹Eyebite› hey Tim
07/10/2008 22:13:36 ‹TheLesuit› Hey Timitius, when are we going to see a proto-schedule for PaizoCon II?
07/10/2008 22:13:37 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Ross, but it's a RUST monster not a corrotion monster
07/10/2008 22:13:44 ‹Timitius› A long work day, followed by watching the Debate on tape, and I am here
07/10/2008 22:13:47 ‹Ross› Hey, that Skymetal that is always found hot or cold...does it stay hot or cold? Does it switch?
07/10/2008 22:13:51 ‹Daigle› What are the stats for stainless? Do restaurant workers get DR/stainless?
07/10/2008 22:14:04 ‹greengrunt› sigh.. Good point Brian
07/10/2008 22:14:08 ‹Lilith› Daigle, over time, but only after they take the "Line Cook" feat. :P
07/10/2008 22:14:19 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Wouldn't they get vulnerability to stainless?
07/10/2008 22:14:23 ‹Russ› Rust monsters actually destroy all metals in 3.5E. Something I would love to see changed.
07/10/2008 22:14:24 ‹Daigle› Nice
07/10/2008 22:14:34 ‹Samwise› mithral was important for high power magic armor way back in the day
07/10/2008 22:14:44 ‹TheLesuit› Well then they are oxidizing monsters...
07/10/2008 22:14:58 ‹Samwise› and all magic armor was the weight of clothes
07/10/2008 22:15:10 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› First on my list is the "disintegrate can get you and leave your gear even if you're in full plate" junk. I know it's to keep you from zapping your treasure, but come ON.
07/10/2008 22:15:10 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Well now it's just important because people want plate armor without heavy armor penalties.
07/10/2008 22:15:19 ‹houstonderek› an oxidizing monster? coat your weapons with acai!!!!
07/10/2008 22:15:20 * Samwise agitates for even-more-backwarder compatibility
07/10/2008 22:15:20 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> It's either hot or cold. It doesn't switch.
07/10/2008 22:15:26 ‹TheLesuit› Back in the days when we ignored encumberance Samwise,
07/10/2008 22:15:51 ‹Ross› BrianC-WritingAgain, it's also to keep you from killing the MacGuffin. (DMs care too.)
07/10/2008 22:15:59 ‹Samwise› hey, when you armor is weightless, it is pretty easy to remain unencumbered :-P
07/10/2008 22:16:04 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, oooh. Like magnetic monopoles...
07/10/2008 22:16:05 ‹Timitius› TheLesuit, PaizoCon is on the back burner for me right now, and I would assume for Paizo staffers as well. I'd say that I'll probably pick it back up in a few weeks.
07/10/2008 22:16:20 ‹TheLesuit› No worries then Timitius,
07/10/2008 22:16:21 * Ross has now decided that stuff IS monopoles.
07/10/2008 22:16:28 ‹Erik Mona› I'm off to the mean streets of Liberty City, all.
07/10/2008 22:16:37 ‹Daigle› Later Erik
07/10/2008 22:16:37 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, laterz! :glomp:
07/10/2008 22:16:38 ‹Ross› Erik Mona, don't kill too many cabbies.
07/10/2008 22:16:39 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Later Erik
07/10/2008 22:16:40 ‹TheLesuit› Though Timitius, I am miffed that you picked WORK over my RotRL campaign!!
07/10/2008 22:16:43 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Go get 'em, Niko!
07/10/2008 22:16:43 ‹Pygon› gnite Erik, enjoy
07/10/2008 22:16:44 ‹greengrunt› Have fun killing SWAT Erik!
07/10/2008 22:16:44 ‹Eyebite› G'night Erik
07/10/2008 22:16:47 ‹Justin Sluder› Erik Mona, cya
07/10/2008 22:16:49 ‹David› Erik Mona, bye!
07/10/2008 22:16:51 ‹Erik Mona› See you all at PaizoCon! ;)
07/10/2008 22:16:52 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Erik Mona, I will try to hop on later...
07/10/2008 22:16:54 ‹houstonderek› i'd personally like to see some 1e sensibilities back in spells and spell casting, but that's TOO baclward compatable, i guess...
07/10/2008 22:16:55 ‹Dennis da Ogre› cya erik
22:17:09 ‹TheLesuit› Goodnight Mr. Mona.
07/10/2008 22:17:18 ‹Timitius› TheLesuit, if I could juggle with that ONE more ball.....I would.
07/10/2008 22:17:24 ‹Samwise› houstonderek>looking at detect evil and mirror image, no it isnt!
07/10/2008 22:17:26 ‹Timitius› Erik Mona, HA!
07/10/2008 22:17:30 ‹James Jacobs› I got beat up by a cabbie plaing GTA a few nights ago. It did not end well for him.
07/10/2008 22:17:40 ‹Russ› Good night, have fun BREAKING THE LAW BREAKING THE LAW
07/10/2008 22:17:40 ‹greengrunt› :D
07/10/2008 22:17:55 ‹Daigle› James, I'm sorry if you had to talk to Hitch tonight. That was my fault.
07/10/2008 22:18:01 ‹greengrunt› JJ> You should get Dead Space!!
07/10/2008 22:18:07 ‹houstonderek› Samwise, i remember the days when a fighter could disrupt spell casting by giving a wizard a hard look...
07/10/2008 22:18:08 * Erik Mona quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:18:14 ‹Samwise› however, i will agitate for that as well, i think a lot of the "broken" (or at least quirkily unbalanced) elements of 3e derive from changing 1e version
07/10/2008 22:18:29 ‹Samwise› heh, indeed
07/10/2008 22:18:42 ‹Samwise› hurt his feelings with harsh language and he was hosed
07/10/2008 22:18:44 ‹greengrunt› linky http://deadspace.ea.com/
07/10/2008 22:18:46 ‹James Jacobs› I'll think aobut Dead Space... is it out yet? I'm already gonna be getting Fable 2 and Fallout 3 and Lich King in the next month or so... so the video game arena's already lookin' pretty crowded.
07/10/2008 22:18:48 ‹Timitius› Jason Bulmahn, read your LJ post. Thanks for the laughs! I enjoyed your take!
07/10/2008 22:18:48 * TheLesuit 's brain goggles at the 1e to 4e divergence.
07/10/2008 22:18:55 ‹houstonderek› Samwise, none of these new fangled "concentration checks", bah, kids these days...
07/10/2008 22:19:08 ‹James Jacobs› ALSO: First Person Shooters that don't include the words "Half" or "Life" in the title have a hard time keeping my attention.
07/10/2008 22:19:10 ‹Samwise› and yet, one might think that would make it easier for fighters at high level to hang and bang with yon spellchuckers
07/10/2008 22:19:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Samwise, Hmm.. Harsh language did not work to well in Aliens.. if I recall correctly
07/10/2008 22:19:19 ‹Eyebite› Alright guys, I'm out too. G'night all!
07/10/2008 22:19:26 ‹Pygon› gnite Eyebite
07/10/2008 22:19:28 ‹Daigle› I can't properly rate my 1e experiences. I know we weren't playing right.
07/10/2008 22:19:35 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Eyebite!
07/10/2008 22:19:36 ‹houstonderek› Samwise, and nice, LONG castin gtime son the high level spells...
07/10/2008 22:19:39 ‹TheLesuit› Well...houstonderek, in 1e only thieves and assassins had skills...
07/10/2008 22:19:41 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Whose house?
07/10/2008 22:19:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Timitius, Thanks... although I just realized I left off the Thaumaturgist.. ugg
07/10/2008 22:19:45 ‹Samwise› Jason>they were obviously using Traveller instead of D&D rules :-P
07/10/2008 22:19:49 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Once you get Lich King.. sigh.. You'll be gone.. Forever! :sad:
07/10/2008 22:19:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Samwise, Nice...
07/10/2008 22:19:58 ‹houstonderek› heLesuit, and we LIKED it that way ;)
07/10/2008 22:20:08 ‹TheLesuit› Night Eyebite,
07/10/2008 22:20:20 ‹greengrunt› JJ> This first person shooter may scare the crap out of you though!
07/10/2008 22:20:30 ‹Samwise› houston>wellllll . . . that one i might not rant against, constantly modifying the init status of a spellchucker based on casting time is a PITA
07/10/2008 22:20:37 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Maybe. I'm pretty tough to scare crap out of though.
07/10/2008 22:20:39 ‹greengrunt› Night Eyebite
07/10/2008 22:20:42 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:20:48 ‹Samwise› Jason>thank you :D
07/10/2008 22:20:53 ‹Dennis da Ogre› l8 eyebite
07/10/2008 22:21:01 ‹houstonderek› Samwise, true, but it did nerf the wiz without nerfing the magic...
07/10/2008 22:21:01 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Well it may make you jump now and then :D
07/10/2008 22:21:02 * Daigle quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:21:02 * Daigle quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:21:02 ‹James Jacobs› And yeah. Lich King + Fallout 3 is a pretty good combo. Might finaly be time to use some of the month or so of vacation I have built up.
07/10/2008 22:21:12 ‹TheLesuit› Sweet jebus initiative and weapon speed and weapon length were a total PITA.
07/10/2008 22:21:13 * Ross saw a physics demo from Dead Space at SIGGRAPH. It's pretty impressive.
07/10/2008 22:21:33 ‹Samwise› houston>yes, it did keep him check
07/10/2008 22:21:36 ‹greengrunt› That happened to me when I played FEAR late at night... Jumped all the way across the room
07/10/2008 22:21:38 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James Jacobs, Hahhahhhhaaaaaa... umm.. ha... <<giggle>>... sorry
07/10/2008 22:21:44 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› Ahem. As long as I make deadline, he means...
07/10/2008 22:21:44 ‹James Jacobs› I'll prolly buy Dead Space because it's getting banned in some countries, and that means it's Doing SOMETHING Right.
07/10/2008 22:21:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James Jacobs, Month vacation.. man.. that is classic...
07/10/2008 22:21:56 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-)
07/10/2008 22:22:17 ‹James Jacobs› Shaddup you! At least you've used Paizo vacation days! Unlike some of us...
07/10/2008 22:22:21 ‹Samwise› thelesuit>weapon speed and length are a bit TOO much simulationism, particularly pulp simulationism
07/10/2008 22:22:22 ‹houstonderek› Samwise, i loved that the wizard could wreck shop...if...he..could...just...get..the...spell...off...
07/10/2008 22:22:24 * Mr Baron (Shanghai) quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:22:26 * James Jacobs would like to go on a vacation some day.
07/10/2008 22:22:27 ‹Russ› Vacation time for a computer game, hee :)
07/10/2008 22:22:28 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Didn't you just get back from Europe?
07/10/2008 22:22:37 * Russ is using his vacation time to go to Arches National Park next week
07/10/2008 22:22:38 ‹Dennis da Ogre› 'Working"
07/10/2008 22:22:54 ‹Samwise› houstonderek>and it added a lot more tactics, the wizard had to THINK about when he would unleash his spell
07/10/2008 22:23:03 * TheLesuit vacation is the time to reroof the freakin' house.
07/10/2008 22:23:09 ‹houstonderek› Samwise, i think wsf's and ac adjustments were the most ignored rules in 1e, hands down...
07/10/2008 22:23:16 * Ross would like to take some time off and just read. But grad school is a real b~~+&.
07/10/2008 22:23:27 ‹Samwise› not just count down initiative, blow something up, and do a rockstar hairflip
07/10/2008 22:23:41 ‹TheLesuit› Ah yes houstonderek, the days of expanding fireballs.
07/10/2008 22:23:41 ‹Samwise› oh, definitely
07/10/2008 22:23:45 ‹Russ› Houstonderek - I would put my money on "how to handle initiative ties" being the biggest
07/10/2008 22:23:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Dennis da Ogre, Quiet you... I um... was.. umm... working really hard... umm... yeah
07/10/2008 22:23:59 ‹TheLesuit› Highest DEX Russ,
07/10/2008 22:23:59 ‹houstonderek› Russ, they had a rule for that? ;)
07/10/2008 22:24:02 ‹Russ› And morale is rght up there too
07/10/2008 22:24:07 ‹Samwise› im expect a significant number of people didnt even realize they existed
07/10/2008 22:24:17 ‹Russ› TheLesuit - in 1st E, much stranger than that.
07/10/2008 22:24:18 ‹TheLesuit› Morale in 1e?
07/10/2008 22:24:22 ‹houstonderek› TheLesuit, eh, my fireballs still expand ;)
07/10/2008 22:24:22 ‹Samwise› init ties had an insanely complex rule
07/10/2008 22:24:36 ‹TheLesuit› Oooo...I like your fireballs houstonderek,
07/10/2008 22:24:38 ‹Samwise› 1st ed morale was another PITA subrule table
07/10/2008 22:24:38 ‹Russ› A tie on init is where a dagger could wind up getting two attacks on a two-hander
07/10/2008 22:24:41 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Jason Bulmahn, Heh.. I've seen the pics :)
07/10/2008 22:24:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I kinda miss morale.. only kinda though
07/10/2008 22:24:49 ‹TheLesuit› But you get eaten by the spiga houstonderek,
07/10/2008 22:24:51 ‹houstonderek› Samwise, i knew they were there, i just "forgot" to consult them ;)
07/10/2008 22:25:01 ‹Samwise› heh, as did i
07/10/2008 22:25:02 ‹Pygon› Passing out. Thanks again James and Jason! Good night all, I'm out.
07/10/2008 22:25:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Dennis da Ogre, I am hoping to get the huge gallery of pics up soon.. I took nearly 1,000 photos.. and about half a dozen videos
07/10/2008 22:25:12 ‹Russ› How about training costs? :)
07/10/2008 22:25:14 ‹BrianC-WritingAgain› James: Shields up to 30%, Captain!
07/10/2008 22:25:15 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Pygon!
07/10/2008 22:25:16 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Jason, But I know travel and even if it's fun work related travel in particular wears on you.
07/10/2008 22:25:20 ‹Samwise› i mean more the people who were taught by people like us who never even showed them the tables
07/10/2008 22:25:22 ‹houstonderek› TheLesuit, hey, you cast undergroud, you takes your chances ;)
07/10/2008 22:25:23 ‹TheLesuit› Later Pygon,
07/10/2008 22:25:23 * It Is Not Late... Yet joins Main
07/10/2008 22:25:24 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ, Those can stay dead
07/10/2008 22:25:31 * Pygon quit
07/10/2008 22:25:32 ‹Samwise› Russ>erk, training costs . . .
07/10/2008 22:25:36 ‹TheLesuit› Hey Olli.
07/10/2008 22:25:37 ‹Daigle› Howdy olli
07/10/2008 22:25:38 ‹greengrunt› Night Pygon
07/10/2008 22:25:39 * BrianC-WritingAgain changes his/her nickname to Brian Cortijo
07/10/2008 22:25:40 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Dennis da Ogre, True... I needed a vacation from my vacation
07/10/2008 22:25:45 * Brian Cortijo is done writing for tonight.
07/10/2008 22:25:45 ‹Russ› I kinda miss morale too. But too much work for what it gives back.
07/10/2008 22:25:51 ‹greengrunt› Hello INLY
07/10/2008 22:25:53 ‹Dennis da Ogre› I've had those kind of vacations :)
07/10/2008 22:25:55 ‹James Jacobs› OMG. If traning costs get into the beta...I'm out.
07/10/2008 22:26:00 ‹TheLesuit› Oh lovely training costs Samwise,
07/10/2008 22:26:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ, Also true
07/10/2008 22:26:02 ‹Timitius› Jason Bulmahn, just need to say that the Pathfinder rogue is awesome.
07/10/2008 22:26:03 ‹houstonderek› Jason, agreed, training costs made sense when gp=xp, not so much anymore
07/10/2008 22:26:07 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James Jacobs, yeah.. me too
07/10/2008 22:26:07 ‹greengrunt› :D
07/10/2008 22:26:10 ‹TheLesuit› Where does that gold go?
07/10/2008 22:26:22 ‹Samwise› i remember when scott got upset with me for pointing out that the tons of gold needed for training provided the xp needed to level so you needed training
07/10/2008 22:26:23 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Jason or Jame, I'm curious do male Varisian sorcerers dress similar to the female ones?
07/10/2008 22:26:28 ‹It Is Not Late... Yet› hello all, olli speaking (in case RRambling Scribe is still here)
07/10/2008 22:26:28 ‹James Jacobs› I prefer morale to be handled the way we do it in our stat blocks now.
07/10/2008 22:26:32 ‹Dennis da Ogre› I mean... obvious differences aside.
07/10/2008 22:26:45 ‹Dennis da Ogre› James that is.
07/10/2008 22:26:47 ‹Samwise› and indeed, when there is no magic item economy, training costs do a wonderful job of sucking off xp
07/10/2008 22:26:47 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James Jacobs, Me too..
07/10/2008 22:26:51 ‹James Jacobs› Dennis> They do if they want. Varisians are pretty flamboyant.
07/10/2008 22:26:55 ‹Justin Sluder› okay, I'm out all
07/10/2008 22:26:58 ‹Samwise› however, more unused, was lifestyle in 1st ed
07/10/2008 22:27:00 * Mr Baron (Shanghai) quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:27:05 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Well I was thinking about the Tatoo thing.
07/10/2008 22:27:10 ‹Samwise› hoooooo doggy was that rule ignored!
07/10/2008 22:27:12 ‹Justin Sluder› James, Jason, thanks for stopping in.
07/10/2008 22:27:16 ‹James Jacobs› The tattoos don't need to be visible to work.
07/10/2008 22:27:21 ‹houstonderek› James, personally, i prefer morale to be left to dm fiat, but i'm weird like that...
07/10/2008 22:27:22 ‹Samwise› since if you used it, youd never save up for training!
07/10/2008 22:27:22 ‹Justin Sluder› have fun all
07/10/2008 22:27:27 ‹Timitius› Got a 5th, near 6th, level rogue, and the talents are great....Bleeding Attack.....yesssssss.
07/10/2008 22:27:29 ‹Justin Sluder› see you tomorrow/later today!
07/10/2008 22:27:33 ‹Dennis da Ogre› l8 james!
07/10/2008 22:27:35 * Justin Sluder waves goodbye to everyone
07/10/2008 22:27:38 ‹James Jacobs› Seoni dresses that way because she's an exhibitionist.
07/10/2008 22:27:41 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Timitius, Nice....
07/10/2008 22:27:44 ‹Samwise› CT has a similar rule, and it is also rather harsh
07/10/2008 22:27:45 ‹houstonderek› nite justin
07/10/2008 22:27:45 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Ahh
07/10/2008 22:27:45 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin the :sleep:er
07/10/2008 22:27:52 ‹TheLesuit› You mean do they have fanny tat's Dennis?
07/10/2008 22:28:09 ‹Timitius› Combat trick is next....two weapon fighting! W00t!
07/10/2008 22:28:12 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn, any plans to expand the monk's ki pool to other uses?
07/10/2008 22:28:27 ‹Dennis da Ogre› TheLesuit, Maybe I shouldn't have brought this subject up
07/10/2008 22:28:37 ‹houstonderek› Samwise, lifestyle, you mean like UUC, LLC, that stuff?
07/10/2008 22:28:47 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith, We will see when we get to the monk.. right now I am really focused on the Paladin and animal companions... need to look at domain powers later this week
07/10/2008 22:28:47 ‹James Jacobs› houstonderek> I kind of agree... but if there's no mention of morale at all... most GMs just fight their monsters to the death. Part of Pathfinder is showing new GMs how to think outside of the "Fight to the end" and "Combat's the only way" boxes, after all.
07/10/2008 22:28:47 ‹TheLesuit› No you should not, Dennis da Ogre, 'cause some of us went there.
07/10/2008 22:29:04 ‹Samwise› houston>no, i mean as in 100 gp/level/month
07/10/2008 22:29:07 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn, gotcha. :)
07/10/2008 22:29:08 ‹James Jacobs› Jason! Did you see the elephant I drew for you?
07/10/2008 22:29:21 ‹Samwise› i think it was that, might have been per week or something
07/10/2008 22:29:29 ‹Dennis da Ogre› I was half thinking about cosplay
07/10/2008 22:29:30 ‹TheLesuit› I like that you are attempting to come up with a unified animal rule Jason Bulmahn,
07/10/2008 22:29:39 ‹houstonderek› James, i agree, but i think that could be handled in the fluff text, maybe?
07/10/2008 22:29:45 ‹Timitius› Jason Bulmahn, I look forward to see what spin you put on the prestige classes, though.
07/10/2008 22:29:48 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, for paladins, what do you think of the idea of combining the Lay on Hands, Smite, and Channel pools?
07/10/2008 22:29:56 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James Jacobs, yes. It was very nice.. I will bring you a cookie tomorrow.. and put your drawing up on the company fridge..
07/10/2008 22:30:00 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-P
07/10/2008 22:30:03 ‹houstonderek› Samwise, i honestly don;t remember that, wa sit in the dmg?
07/10/2008 22:30:09 ‹James Jacobs› YAY! Elephant Cookie!
07/10/2008 22:30:09 ‹TheLesuit› Thanks to you guys James Jacobs, I now include Morale in all my homegame stat blocks.
07/10/2008 22:30:19 ‹Ross› As is, Paladins have three pools of per-day abilities. Four if you count spells.
07/10/2008 22:30:41 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross, I kinda like them as separate elements.. just to avoid them all being used toward one specific function
07/10/2008 22:30:52 ‹Samwise› houston>i believe so
07/10/2008 22:31:03 ‹Dennis da Ogre› I really like the idea of Lay-on Hands and Channel being unified.
07/10/2008 22:31:06 ‹James Jacobs› The animal companion rules Jason's working on will be really cool. I'm worried they might be too different and people will freak out... but I hope not! They're really nifty sounding.
07/10/2008 22:31:11 ‹TheLesuit› It just seems odd that barbarians are the only class you need to do math for Jason Bulmahn,
07/10/2008 22:31:35 ‹Samwise› houston>yep, page 25, right above the gem value table
07/10/2008 22:31:36 ‹James Jacobs› Hit points are math.
07/10/2008 22:31:40 ‹James Jacobs› Ability damage is math.
07/10/2008 22:31:40 * houstonderek quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:31:47 ‹James Jacobs› Buff spells are math.
07/10/2008 22:31:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross, Yeah.. four might be too much
07/10/2008 22:32:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› We will see.. I need to put more work into it tomorrow...
07/10/2008 22:32:03 ‹Timitius› Ugh. The debate really took it out of me....:sleep:....or it could have been the 10 hr work day.:-k
07/10/2008 22:32:09 ‹Dennis da Ogre› James -- I'm sure any changes to the AC rules will be like kicking a bee hive
07/10/2008 22:32:11 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, lay on hands and channel are the most related, and therefore most combinable.
07/10/2008 22:32:12 ‹TheLesuit› True James Jacobs, ...I'll just be over here chewing my sandal.
07/10/2008 22:32:48 ‹Brian Cortijo› Okay, folks. I got my 2k in for the day. Time for me to get some sleep.
07/10/2008 22:32:51 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Dennis da Ogre, I really do like the direction this is taking.. you can use it to play the current system seemlessly, pretty much.. if you want, but it allows for a lot more flexibility and building of concept
07/10/2008 22:32:56 ‹Timitius› Jason Bulmahn, James Jacobs, did you receive your Norwescon invites?
07/10/2008 22:32:57 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross, Agreed
07/10/2008 22:33:05 ‹TheLesuit› I guess my point would be James Jacobs, that I love the variety of the new barbarian. But I wish there was another mechanic for applying it.
07/10/2008 22:33:11 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, maybe 'may use a Lay on Hands use to emulate the Channel Energy ability of a cleric four levels lower than the paladin;, but that messes with the idea of Paladin and cleric levels stackking for channel.
07/10/2008 22:33:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Timitius, I did.. and I am sorry I did not yet respond.. send me an email again and I will get you some info...
07/10/2008 22:33:44 ‹Russ› I'd like to see lay on hands be more useful.
07/10/2008 22:33:46 ‹TheLesuit› Timitius, is there going to be PFS at Norwescon?
07/10/2008 22:33:52 ‹Russ› (than it is in PF RPG, it is quite useful in 3.5E)
07/10/2008 22:33:54 ‹James Jacobs› OMG.
07/10/2008 22:33:54 ‹Jason Bulmahn› TheLesuit, Did you see the alternate system... it removes the cost for powers.. all you do is track rounds
07/10/2008 22:33:57 ‹Russ› As a means of in-combat healing, that is
07/10/2008 22:34:02 ‹James Jacobs› Just watched the trailer for Valkrye. Yay.
07/10/2008 22:34:14 ‹TheLesuit› No I haven't seen that Jason Bulmahn, is it in the threads?
07/10/2008 22:34:18 ‹Brian Cortijo› G'night, all!
07/10/2008 22:34:24 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya, Brian!
07/10/2008 22:34:27 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Brian
07/10/2008 22:34:27 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Jason, I'm curious about the Ranger's AC options, are they still 1/2 the druids?
07/10/2008 22:34:30 ‹TheLesuit› Dream of your mod Brian.
07/10/2008 22:34:30 ‹Timitius› Jason Bulmahn, OK. My 'boss' is Jamie Morgan...She will be sending the TRUE invite.
07/10/2008 22:34:34 ‹Dennis da Ogre› gnite Brian!
07/10/2008 22:34:41 ‹James Jacobs› Tim> I did indeed get the invite. Haven't had a chance to reply yet, alas... gotta get on that.
07/10/2008 22:34:41 ‹Jason Bulmahn› TheLesuit, Check the barbarians folder.. there is a Design Focus thread in there with all the rules
07/10/2008 22:34:49 ‹TheLesuit› Will do sir.
07/10/2008 22:34:51 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Timitius, Groovy
07/10/2008 22:34:54 ‹Brian Cortijo› :sleep::raptor:
07/10/2008 22:35:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Dennis da Ogre, Maybe.. maybe not... details still coming together on that front
07/10/2008 22:35:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Dennis da Ogre, It might be closer to a level-3 type formula
07/10/2008 22:35:30 ‹Timitius› It will be good to offset the D&D crew with some Paizo Power! HA!
07/10/2008 22:35:31 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, my suggestion for Ranger animal companions is to do it like paladins and turn undead: Instead of half, it's druid minus a flat number.
07/10/2008 22:35:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross, Read above... :-)
07/10/2008 22:35:48 ‹Timitius› Keepin' that Mearls in line takes a village.
07/10/2008 22:36:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Timitius, Man.. that takes a town... or maybe even a city...
07/10/2008 22:36:11 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, a level-3 formula?
07/10/2008 22:36:18 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Well -3 is good.
07/10/2008 22:36:21 * Brian Cortijo quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:36:23 ‹houstonderek› Samwise, thanks, i can't believe i glossed over that for almost 30 years!
07/10/2008 22:36:27 ‹Timitius› well, an angry village. With pitchforks.
07/10/2008 22:36:36 ‹Ross› Ah! I read that wrong.
07/10/2008 22:36:42 ‹TheLesuit› Which rule was that houstonderek, ?
07/10/2008 22:36:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross, yeah.. ranger level-3 is druid effective level.. although it might be -4, I need to check
07/10/2008 22:36:53 ‹Samwise› houstonderek>yep, the "live like conan rule"
07/10/2008 22:37:00 ‹houstonderek› TheLesuit, the "lifestyle" costs in the 1e dmg...
07/10/2008 22:37:15 ‹Timitius› TheLesuit, PFS events at Norwescon are a possibility. I asked Josh about it....we'll see.
07/10/2008 22:37:17 ‹TheLesuit› I vaguely remember those houstonderek,
07/10/2008 22:37:26 * David think -(-4) sounds nice ;)
07/10/2008 22:37:26 ‹James Jacobs› OK!
07/10/2008 22:37:34 ‹James Jacobs› I'm out!
07/10/2008 22:37:34 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, I wholeheartedly support that. For symettry it should be whatever the Paladin offset is, which I'm pretty sure is also 3.
07/10/2008 22:37:35 ‹houstonderek› (sorry, i guess i pinged out for a sec, so my response was a bit late)
07/10/2008 22:37:44 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, g'night.
07/10/2008 22:37:46 ‹TheLesuit› Goodnight Mr. Jacobs,
07/10/2008 22:37:48 ‹James Jacobs› Any last minute Pathfinder questions?
07/10/2008 22:37:49 ‹David› James Jacobs, bye!
07/10/2008 22:37:49 ‹Ross› Thanks for coming.
07/10/2008 22:37:54 ‹houstonderek› night james :)
07/10/2008 22:37:57 ‹It Is Not Late... Yet› gn8 james
07/10/2008 22:38:00 ‹Timitius› See you James, my boy.
07/10/2008 22:38:01 ‹Daigle› Peace James
07/10/2008 22:38:02 ‹Dennis da Ogre› gnite james
07/10/2008 22:38:04 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Well... It is about that time for me as well....
07/10/2008 22:38:10 ‹Samwise› houston>and people think the 3E lifestyle costs are harsh!
07/10/2008 22:38:12 * It Is Not Late... Yet changes his/her nickname to seems to be late now
07/10/2008 22:38:13 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya all next week then!
07/10/2008 22:38:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I gotta go do some painting...
07/10/2008 22:38:21 ‹TheLesuit› Goodnight Mr. Bulmahn as well.
07/10/2008 22:38:26 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Jason
07/10/2008 22:38:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night everybody
07/10/2008 22:38:33 ‹Timitius› And goodnight to you, Master Jason, as well.
07/10/2008 22:38:34 ‹Dennis da Ogre› Goodnight Jason
07/10/2008 22:38:35 ‹Lilith› Night James & Jason! :glomp:
07/10/2008 22:38:38 ‹David› Jason Bulmahn, bye!
07/10/2008 22:38:41 ‹TheLesuit› I wanna know about Harrow cards.
07/10/2008 22:38:45 ‹houstonderek› Samwise, living like a king costs, man!
07/10/2008 22:38:46 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, g'night!
07/10/2008 22:38:50 ‹TheLesuit› ...last minute question.
07/10/2008 22:38:57 * David wishes me knew what the secret project was
07/10/2008 22:39:11 ‹houstonderek› night jason!
07/10/2008 22:39:13 ‹Timitius› What secret project???
07/10/2008 22:39:16 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
07/10/2008 22:39:29 * Dennis da Ogre wishes he knew what secret project hd was speaking of also
07/10/2008 22:39:34 ‹TheLesuit› It was a secret.
07/10/2008 22:39:36 ‹David› Jason's painting project
07/10/2008 22:39:41 ‹Samwise› well, its mostly a rule to force you to keep adventuring
07/10/2008 22:39:46 ‹Samwise› and not just sit on your tuchas
07/10/2008 22:39:57 * Ross looks at his clock and #-o
07/10/2008 22:39:59 ‹Lilith› Jason's painting project might have something to do with minis
07/10/2008 22:40:01 ‹Timitius› He probably means painting minis.....
07/10/2008 22:40:05 ‹TheLesuit› Now I have to go look at it Samwise,
07/10/2008 22:40:06 ‹greengrunt› Well ladies and gentlemen.. Nightie night!
07/10/2008 22:40:07 ‹Samwise› combined with training, and it is a major economic force
07/10/2008 22:40:09 * Jason Bulmahn quit (timeout)
*jiggles the thread*
Many mighty thanks to Pygon for keeping these chat logs...which I will now link to. :D
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The raw files that I've saved are here:
http://dndchat.lvteknet.com/pygon/. The very old ones are plain text. I've been saving the latest ones as rtf.
Thank JonShade for the storage!
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The raw files that I've saved are here:
http://dndchat.lvteknet.com/pygon/. The very old ones are plain text. I've been saving the latest ones as rtf.
Thank JonShade for the storage!
Hi Pygon,
thanks for your fast reply and the effort and dedication of yours respectively JonShade!
Kr,
Günther
P.S.
Any way to collect such important links on one spot?
Just not checking the sites for a few days and already missing information like this.