ive been making fastplay characters and i was looking at all the class race combinations [ not including psionics] i just dont like it but anyway i just cant believe all the classes there is at least 21 classes and that isnt including prestige classes. sometimes when a game looses its simplicity it also looses some of its fun
anyway here is the list of classes i know when you look at them all piled up it seems like alot
Artificer
Barbarian
Bard
Beguiler
Cleric
Dragon Shaman
Druid
Duskblade
Favored Soul
Fighter
Hexblade
Knight
Marshall
Monk
Ranger
Rogue
Scout
Sorcerer
Swashbuckler
Warlock
Warmage
Wizard
that is not even considering the races... i know dammn right
You've missed quite a few:
Crusader (Book of Nine Swords)
Factorum (Dungeonscape)
Healer (Miniatures Handbook, I think)
Ninja (Complete Adventurer)
Paladin (PHB!)
Samurai (Complete Warrior)
Shujenga (sp?) (Complete Divine)
Spellthief (Complete Adventurer)
Spirit Shaman (Complete Divine)
Swordsage (Book of Nine Swords)
Warblade (Book of Nine Swords)
Wu Jen (Complete Arcane)
There may be one or two from the Miniatures Handbook I've missed, plus there are at least a couple in Oriental Adventures 3.0 that haven't been updated yet.
Including Psionic classes, we add:
Ardent (Complete Psionic)
Lurk (Complete Psionic)
Psion (XPH)
Psychic Warrior (XPH)
Soulknife (XPH)
Wilder (XPH)
and one other from Complete Psionic that escapes me for the moment.
Does this mean there are too many classes?
IMO, no.
If you're a player, all you need to be concerned with are the options you're using. Who cares if there are 30, 300 or 3,000 classes, provided there's one you want to play?
And if you're the DM... you always have the option of saying "I'm going to allow these six classes and no others."
And some of the new classes are really great (I particularly like the Scout, Favoured Soul and Beguiler). Sure, there's some dross, but that's okay too... it's not like we have to use it all.
Actually, there are currently 175 classes available. See here. After you eliminate variations of common classes, racial classes and racial substitution classes, there are still about 60-70 actual classes available.
What a terrible, terrible list that is.
Once you discount the Epic 'classes' (which, obviously, are distinct classes and deserve to be listed seperately), the racial classes (odd that they list the ones from Complete Psionic, but omit Savage Species), odd variants (the dwarven fighter, the wilderness rogue), and the outright duplicates (five entries for barbarian?), most of the entries disappear.
Classes that haven't been listed in this thread so far:
NPC classes: Adept, Aristocrat, Expert, Warrior (isn't there also one in the Eberron Campaign Setting? Magewright, or something like that? Wizards.com doesn't list it, anyway).
Archivist (Heroes of Horror)
Binder (Tome of Magic)
Divine Mind (Complete Psionic)
Dragonfire Adept (Dragon Magic)
Dread Necromancer (Heroes of Horror - how could I forget this?)
Eidolon (Ghostwalk - not sure about this, it seems to be a variant)
Eidoloncer (Ghostwalk - not sure about this, it seems to be a variant)
Incarnate (Magic of Incarnum)
Mystic (Dragonlance Campaign Setting)
Noble (Dragonlance Campaign Setting)
Psionic Artificer (Magic of Eberron)
Shadowcaster (Tome of Magic)
Shaman (Oriental Adventures - note that this was basically updated as the Spirit Shaman in Complete Divine)
Sohei (Oriental Adventures)
Soulborn (Magic of Incarnum)
Totemist (Magic of Incarnum)
Truenamer (Tome of Magic)
By my count, that gives 57 classes intended for PC use. Of these, eight are psionic classes and 10 others are designed to work with other special systems (Bo9S, Ghostwalk, Incarnum, or the variant magics of Tome of Magic). Then there are 7 Asian-flavoured classes. This leaves a mere 32 'classic' classes.
Which doesn't really seem many at all.
Actually, there are currently 175 classes available. See here. After you eliminate variations of common classes, racial classes and racial substitution classes, there are still about 60-70 actual classes available.
well i like the beguiler and dragon shaman but jeez if you use to play 2nd ed and were trying to get back in like a few of my friends it would be overwhelming
now dont think i was opossed to all the options i just hate the fact that if you want to see all of your options at one time you have to carry all those books with you or have them there.
I dont have all the Books. Im married so my funds are accounted for usually.
i mean i got a collection but i probably would have alot more
i know i was very tired when i did the initial post and i was just going through the index cards and typed as i went that is nuts... i personall think if they include all the new classes in 4th Ed its going to be a very expensive book
maybe someone should create a pamphlet style books of all the character creation options in pocket size
There are 80 "base classes" (those defined as having 20 levels) and 660 prestige classes (those having entry requirements). I don't have a few supplements and my database isn't updated to include those.
I would love, just love, to see a big fat Compendium of Classes. Yeah the Spell one is good, and one for magic items is okay too--but Races and Classes are the two I'm waiting for, where they gather up all the stuff that's been scattered between 500 books I don't want and give me the good stuff with good art all in one place. I love all the classes but will not suffer a 200 page book about being on a boat or in a desert or what gnomes eat for lunch in the nonexistant "core" setting. I'd love all the stuff packaged up in a fat tome and would pay mucho for the pleasure of having it--and it'd be all republished stuff--almost no cost to produce! Please oh please!
There are 80 "base classes" (those defined as having 20 levels) and 660 prestige classes (those having entry requirements). I don't have a few supplements and my database isn't updated to include those.
lilith you said in your database does that mean its digitial if so could you email it to me?
I still haven't gone through all the options in the PHB, as a player. I do DM most of the time. But the core rules seem to give me a life time of options. I suggest you stick with the core classes in PBH at first. It's a good place to start. If you have not played 3rd edition stick with the basics. As your experience grows, you can expand your options. That way you can let your D&D book collection grow slowly. Heck, I haven't bought a new book in two years.
well thats the problem, was planning on dming a eberron game but i email the players the options and they got kinda freaked out and the final outcome was something like can we convert the world to 2nd ed... and i was bewildered to say the least
I agree, almost and I strees almost, every class can be made with some combination of feats and base classes... why add to the confusion of making new characters by multiplying the number of "base" classes by several powers of 10
well thats the problem, was planning on dming a eberron game but i email the players the options and they got kinda freaked out and the final outcome was something like can we convert the world to 2nd ed... and i was bewildered to say the least
I can't really blame them, especially if they're new to 3.5 edition. My advice would be to limit the campaign to the core classes and the artificer class if you want to run an Eberron game. You don't have to include anything you or your players don't like.
And if everyone is really new to the most recent system, why not leave Eberron for another campaign when everyone is confident with the rules? It's perfectly fine to just run straight from the three core books. And that new class (which is based on some complicated rules, creating magic items) and those for new races could end up confusing everybody and cause more time spent on looking things up.
Just some suggestions.
well thats the problem, was planning on dming a eberron game but i email the players the options and they got kinda freaked out and the final outcome was something like can we convert the world to 2nd ed... and i was bewildered to say the leastI can't really blame them, especially if they're new to 3.5 edition. My advice would be to limit the campaign to the core classes and the artificer class if you want to run an Eberron game. You don't have to include anything you or your players don't like.
And if everyone is really new to the most recent system, why not leave Eberron for another campaign when everyone is confident with the rules? It's perfectly fine to just run straight from the three core books. And that new class (which is based on some complicated rules, creating magic items) and those for new races could end up confusing everybody and cause more time spent on looking things up.
Just some suggestions.
well mainly because eberron is what provoked the interest im not even trying to explain psionics from dark sun to today i just straight up outed it. and one of my buddies keeps on reffering to warforged as robocops... i can tell no matter what its going to be interesting and a learn as you go kinda deal too bad that i wont be able to keep the campaign going. they are in nyc and im in Las Vegas
and one other from Complete Psionic that escapes me for the moment.
Divine Mind - I just finished statting up one as an NPC about 10 minutes ago. They are a lot more powerful then I originally thought from scanning Complete Psionic.
ive been thinking about making a pocket size series of races, classes, feats and so on all the things that are spread out throughout dozens of books would anyone be interested in that. just trying to see if i should follow through with it
is there any reason why my icon is a smurf?
and why my text was changed?
ok this is really starting to freak me out. am i having a flashback or something. this isnt right man... why am i a smurf?
ok what the heck. I wish gargamel was here
ok im not a smurf anymore but my text is still being altered. i guess someone hacked paizo
g#* d@@n it. maybe if i envoke the name of gargamel it will stop again
g%~ d&!n it. maybe if i envoke the name of gargamel it will stop again
Man I don't remember doing any hard drugs this evening?!?
ok strange
ok strange
Hey - how come you get to post in english?
... hey I'm posting in english too... its a happy day.
OK not such a happy day - someones broke into the system.
someone is being a dumb@$$
Istari, you can go to DM Tools and check the "Classes" list - it will display the lists that are in the database right now. :)