G.I. Joe...Doll or Action Figure?


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Scarab Sages

When I was a kid, the 12 inch G.I. Joe was still a big thing. There were all kinds of accessories and stuff you could buy. I had a helicopter, a jeep, and aven a friggin sarcophagus and mummy. To this day, somewhere there is a box ( I think in my parent's house) with all the G.I Joe stuff my brothers and I had collected over the years.

These days, there is a young guy here at work who insists they were dolls. I say action figures! What does everyone else think?

Liberty's Edge

I looked it up in the dictionary. An action figure IS a doll.
I'll whoop up on him for being a punk, though, with my kung fu grip.

Scarab Sages

Damn Heathy...you just took all the fun out of the argument!

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Damn paizo boards ate my post! And it was a whole discussion regarding the history of GI Joe and the epistemology of the word "doll."

I'll leave it at this:

If it was Snake Eyes, no way that's a doll. He's the biggest bad ass on the whole Joe squad. That ninja could whup every single member of COBRA with one arm tied behind his back and infected with radioactivity. Hell, he has a wolf for a pet. Can there be anyone more badass?

On the other hand, if it was one of the female characters and, say, you braided its hair and pushed it around in a little stroller, then yeah, that's a doll.

Scarab Sages

Sebastian wrote:
If it was Snake Eyes, no way that's a doll. He's the biggest bad ass on the whole Joe squad. That ninja could whup every single member of COBRA with one arm tied behind his back and infected with radioactivity. Hell, he has a wolf for a pet. Can there be anyone more badass?

Snake Eyes was from the 6-inch era - the pure action figures. I agree though, he was a complete badass. I still have the original action figure in a box somewhere.

Sebastian wrote:
On the other hand, if it was one of the female characters and, say, you braided its hair and pushed it around in a little stroller, then yeah, that's a doll.

Thankfully, the 12-inch era of G.I Joe was all male. They did have hair of some sort - more like peach fuzz really. No braiding was possible. They did have a giant rubber spider that you could do battle with, as well as an alligator, a giant stingray, and maybe a shark (I think).

Liberty's Edge

Aberzombie wrote:

Damn Heathy...you just took all the fun out of the argument!

Not really. He's still talking crap.

The Exchange

Aberzombie wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
If it was Snake Eyes, no way that's a doll. He's the biggest bad ass on the whole Joe squad. That ninja could whup every single member of COBRA with one arm tied behind his back and infected with radioactivity. Hell, he has a wolf for a pet. Can there be anyone more badass?

Snake Eyes was from the 6-inch era - the pure action figures. I agree though, he was a complete badass. I still have the original action figure in a box somewhere.

Sebastian wrote:
On the other hand, if it was one of the female characters and, say, you braided its hair and pushed it around in a little stroller, then yeah, that's a doll.

Thankfully, the 12-inch era of G.I Joe was all male. They did have hair of some sort - more like peach fuzz really. No braiding was possible. They did have a giant rubber spider that you could do battle with, as well as an alligator, a giant stingray, and maybe a shark (I think).

Oh! You meant the 12" ones, not the 6" plastic Joes! Yeah, you played with dolls, you and your brother were technically "wusses", "ladies", "prissy boys", and/or "wimps". I would've SO had your lunch money everyday. Puss.

FH ;)

Liberty's Edge

Heh...and he sezz I took all the fun outta the argument.

Scarab Sages

Fake Healer wrote:

Oh! You meant the 12" ones, not the 6" plastic Joes! Yeah, you played with dolls, you and your brother were technically "wusses", "ladies", "prissy boys", and/or "wimps". I would've SO had your lunch money everyday. Puss.

FH ;)

Actually, that would be brothers, plural. All of Momma zombie's sons had at least one of those things. You'd have had quite a time taking on all five of us. And who are you calling a "lady"? You're avatar wears a friggin skirt!

And I stand by my belief that they were action figures. A doll is something like Barbie or Polly Prissypants - its girly, has dresses and purses, and a house. The Joes were action figures - they had knives, guns, grenades, machetes, jeeps, helicopters, and even parachutes. They could kick-ass just as easily as the later 6-inch action figures.

The Exchange

Aberzombie wrote:

Actually, that would be brothers, plural. All of Momma zombie's sons had at least one of those things. You'd have had quite a time taking on all five of us. And who are you calling a "lady"? You're avatar wears a friggin skirt!

And I stand by my belief that they were action figures. A doll is something like Barbie or Polly Prissypants - its girly, has dresses and purses, and a house. The Joes were action figures - they had knives, guns, grenades, machetes, jeeps, helicopters, and even parachutes. They could kick-ass just as easily as the later 6-inch action figures.

Hey, whatever it takes to get you through the night, Mr. Prissypants. I respect the guts it takes to so openly access your feminine side, Bra-wearer.

BTW, my skirt could use a bit of mending, I assume you can sew, if I can get you to drop the Cabbage Patch Kid, girl.

FH;P

Liberty's Edge

Fake Healer wrote:


BTW, my skirt could use a bit of mending, I assume you can sew, if I can get you to drop the Cabbage Patch Kid, girl.

FH;P

And this, boys 'n' girls, has been a reenactment of the psychological phenomenon commonly known as: "projection."

Pruh-jek-shuhn. Projection.

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Heathansson wrote:


And this, boys 'n' girls, has been a reenactment of the psychological phenomenon commonly known as: "projection."
Pruh-jek-shuhn. Projection.

The really creepy thing is FH's exstensive collection of He-Man "action" figures, including Hot-Oil He-Man and Showtunes Singing He-Man.

The Exchange

Sebastian wrote:
Heathansson wrote:


And this, boys 'n' girls, has been a reenactment of the psychological phenomenon commonly known as: "projection."
Pruh-jek-shuhn. Projection.
The really creepy thing is FH's exstensive collection of He-Man "action" figures, including Hot-Oil He-Man and Showtunes Singing He-Man.

I love it when he sings West Side Story. *I just met a girl named Maria...* Is there nothing a musical score can't solve?

FH

Liberty's Edge

Does he sing "Happy Talky Time" from South Pacific?

The Exchange

Heathansson wrote:
Does he sing "Happy Talky Time" from South Pacific?

Yeah, but not like a 12" G.I., right Zombie?!

Liberty's Edge

Okay. I got kids. Fakey's got kids. Sebastian's got kids.
Aberzombie's getting married.
Why do we all sit around here making fun of each other for being sissies? Shouldn't we be over it by now?


I love it when he sings West Side Story. *I just met a girl named Maria...* Is there nothing a musical score can't solve?

FH

I failed my save against your version of Hideous Laughter. Bravo!

What did all of you do with your dolls? I scrounged up my old Star Wars dolls when I got a BB gun. In my little world the Empire won. All the rebels went up against the wall. Then stormtroopers and Darth Vader were executed for winning too slowly.

The stormtroopers were hollow, so they exploded in a most satisfying manner. Darth? He could stop blaster shots with the Force. Some the size of grapeshot was beyond his power.

Finally, army men were NOT dolls.

Dark Archive Owner - Johnny Scott Comics and Games

My life is a constant battle against maturity. I'm sure you all are fighting the same battle...

As for the 12" Joes, they were/are action figures. Just like the Six Million Dollar Man figures, and the Mego Star Trek figures. Any of them could kick those little 6" figures @$#$.

Besides, the 12" Joe could make out with Barbie (if he could get the Mego Kirk away from her). Nothing Snake Eyes could do is even close to that for coolness!

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Heathansson wrote:

Okay. I got kids. Fakey's got kids. Sebastian's got kids.

Aberzombie's getting married.
Why do we all sit around here making fun of each other for being sissies? Shouldn't we be over it by now?

Saying that is all the proof of your sissiness that I will ever need.

Liberty's Edge

I still buy Star Wars figures.

Liberty's Edge

Sebastian wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

Okay. I got kids. Fakey's got kids. Sebastian's got kids.

Aberzombie's getting married.
Why do we all sit around here making fun of each other for being sissies? Shouldn't we be over it by now?
Saying that is all the proof of your sissiness that I will ever need.

I shot an M-16, an M-60, and threw hand grenades. I shot big rockets in the air for guys with bazookas to shoot down.

If I have anything to compensate for, I've done it in spades.
I'm tough as a boot.


Not all dolls are for sissies. Voodoo dolls are pretty bad ass.


Back in my day it was GI joe and 6 million dollar man making raids against Capt. Kirk and the dolls from space 1999 in their Enterprise collector case getting away in Ranger Jim's Rv, while the eagle who could flap his wings by pressing his legs flew overhead. Now I think the crew has been demoted to spider killers in my daughter's Barbie dream house, or seat ornaments for her pink corvette

Liberty's Edge

I3lack_dragon wrote:
Back in my day it was GI joe and 6 million dollar man making raids against Capt. Kirk and the dolls from space 1999 in their Enterprise collector case getting away in Ranger Jim's Rv, while the eagle who could flap his wings by pressing his legs flew overhead. Now I think the crew has been demoted to spider killers in my daughter's Barbie dream house, or seat ornaments for her pink corvette

That's.....not....canon....

Scarab Sages

Heathansson wrote:
I still buy Star Wars figures.

Does this prove your manliness or your sissiness?

Liberty's Edge

Moff Rimmer wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
I still buy Star Wars figures.
Does this prove your manliness or your sissiness?

I buy them at WalMart, along with radiator fluid, power tools, shotgun ammo., and Maxim magazine, so I don't look a ninny.


Heathansson wrote:
Moff Rimmer wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
I still buy Star Wars figures.
Does this prove your manliness or your sissiness?
I buy them at WalMart, along with radiator fluid, power tools, shotgun ammo., and Maxim magazine, so I don't look a ninny.

The only thing I find questionable on your list is the Maxim magazine. Just because I find it to be a sub-par periodical. "Guns 'n Jugs" on the other hand is a fine publication worthy of your patronage. Nothing like fine munitions and even finer pottery to encourage a man to sit in a big manly recliner and drink a few beers by himself. This month's centerfold: the jugs of the Hopi coupled with the classic Desert Eagle. I can't wait until it gets here.


And if you REALLY want to prove your manliness, you'll realize that the institution of marriage is for whipped pansies. Real men swear off women entirely and enter deep commitments with equally macho male friends to stay off the estrogen entirely by sharing the same bed and frequenting bars full of nothing but other men while wearing leather pants and chains. A chopper mustache is also looked upon in a favorable light.

Silver Crusade

See? This is what I'm always saying! My Strawberry Shortcakes were action figures. They kicked butt when it came to preparing baked goods. My mother spent all that money on therapy for nothing!


Sebastian wrote:
Damn paizo boards ate my post! And it was a whole discussion regarding the history of GI Joe and the epistemology of the word "doll."

Etymology -- sorry, I couldn't resist. Oh yeah, and Paizo should be capitalized, as a proper noun.

:P


My forces of My Little Ponies and Transformers led an assault on Castle Greyskull...and won. :D


Lilith wrote:
My forces of My Little Ponies and Transformers led an assault on Castle Greyskull...and won. :D

Hazbro pwnz Mattel?

Dark Archive Owner - Johnny Scott Comics and Games

ONLY G.I. Joe had Kung Fu grip. You can't have Kung Fu grip and be called a "doll."

Anyone else remember Big Jim and his P.A.C.K.? That button in his back that made him karate chop ruled!

Scarab Sages

I also had a Stretch Armstrong once, but he got dismembered for the sin of being thrown at my head and inflicting a wound which required stitches.

And man, I forgot about the Six Million Dollar man action figures. I think they had a villain who was some kind of robot, complete with detachable arm weapons


G.I. Joes are dolls. My condolences for everyone whose masculinity (according to the ways gender roles are defined in Western world) just curled up and died.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Scarab Sages

Actually, Hasbro coined the term "action figure" specifically for the G.I. Joe line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_figure#History), so that's kind-of the definition of the term. Whether there is any overlap between "doll" and "action figure" is a matter of opinion. 8^)

The Exchange

Heathansson wrote:


If I have anything to compensate for, I've done it in spades.
I'm tough as a boot.

One of those fancy, pointed toe, 3 inch stiletto heeled ones that make your calves look extra shapely and would look good coupled with fishnets on a tacky looking lamp? It is tough walking in those things, I would guess.....sissypants.

FH

Scarab Sages

Arazyr wrote:
Actually, Hasbro coined the term "action figure" specifically for the G.I. Joe line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_figure#History), so that's kind-of the definition of the term. Whether there is any overlap between "doll" and "action figure" is a matter of opinion. 8^)

Thanks for the link Arazyr. That's a nice bit of history.

Liberty's Edge

Fake Healer wrote:
Heathansson wrote:


If I have anything to compensate for, I've done it in spades.
I'm tough as a boot.

One of those fancy, pointed toe, 3 inch stiletto heeled ones that make your calves look extra shapely and would look good coupled with fishnets on a tacky looking lamp? It is tough walking in those things, I would guess.....sissypants.

FH

I'd hate to see your G.I. Joe's. Ken called them creepy.

Silver Crusade

Tatterdemalion wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
Damn paizo boards ate my post! And it was a whole discussion regarding the history of GI Joe and the epistemology of the word "doll."

Etymology -- sorry, I couldn't resist. Oh yeah, and Paizo should be capitalized, as a proper noun.

:P

Epistemology

And here you thought you were being so clever.

(Although you can argue that "etymology" would have been a more appropriate choice.)

Liberty's Edge

Aberzombie wrote:


Snake Eyes was from the 6-inch era - the pure action figures. I agree though, he was a complete badass. I still have the original action figure in a box somewhere.

Actually, Snake-Eyes was also a 12-inch figure. Hasbro had a line of 12-inch figures in the mid to late 90's and there were 2 Snake-Eyes produced. Since I just woke up though, I'm trying to figure out if I just demoted my favorite Joe from Action Figure to Doll...*looks for caffeine*

Scarab Sages

Tessius wrote:
Actually, Snake-Eyes was also a 12-inch figure. Hasbro had a line of 12-inch figures in the mid to late 90's and there were 2 Snake-Eyes produced. Since I just woke up though, I'm trying to figure out if I just demoted my favorite Joe from Action Figure to Doll...*looks for caffeine*

Yeah, but he was originally a 6-inch figure. And naah, you didn't demote him. See Arazyr's post above.

Dark Archive Owner - Johnny Scott Comics and Games

Aberzombie wrote:

I also had a Stretch Armstrong once, but he got dismembered for the sin of being thrown at my head and inflicting a wound which required stitches.

And man, I forgot about the Six Million Dollar man action figures. I think they had a villain who was some kind of robot, complete with detachable arm weapons

Maskotron.

(Why I know that, I have no idea. My mind is awash with useless information)


R-type wrote:
Hazbro pwnz Mattel?

Totally. :D

Paizo Employee Director of Sales

Sorry, guys...

I hate to break this to you, but my horde of M.U.S.C.L.E. action figures would consistently swarm and then beat the crap outta my cousin's GI Joe dolls.

Just sayin'...

The Exchange

Cosmo wrote:

Sorry, guys...

I hate to break this to you, but my horde of M.U.S.C.L.E. action figures would consistently swarm and then beat the crap outta my cousin's GI Joe dolls.

Just sayin'...

I miss them, wish they would bring 'em back! They were my early figs for D&D combat sims.

FH

Liberty's Edge

Fake Healer wrote:
Cosmo wrote:

Sorry, guys...

I hate to break this to you, but my horde of M.U.S.C.L.E. action figures would consistently swarm and then beat the crap outta my cousin's GI Joe dolls.

Just sayin'...

I miss them, wish they would bring 'em back! They were my early figs for D&D combat sims.

FH

i.e. my dolls are manly dolls. Your dolls are sissy dolls.

Meh...

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Heathansson wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:
Cosmo wrote:

Sorry, guys...

I hate to break this to you, but my horde of M.U.S.C.L.E. action figures would consistently swarm and then beat the crap outta my cousin's GI Joe dolls.

Just sayin'...

I miss them, wish they would bring 'em back! They were my early figs for D&D combat sims.

FH

i.e. my dolls are manly dolls. Your dolls are sissy dolls.

Meh...

The dolls aren't what make you a sissy in my book, it's the fact that you post that "can't we all just get along" crap about how we should be too mature to call each other sissies. That's the sissiest thing I've ever heard. Ever.

Liberty's Edge

Sebastian wrote:


The dolls aren't what make you a sissy in my book, it's the fact that you post that "can't we all just get along" crap about how we should be too mature to call each other sissies. That's the sissiest thing I've ever heard. Ever.

I'm too self confident and comfortable with myself to even dignify that with a response.

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