Jolly Roger


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Liberty's Edge

What flag do pirates in the AP fly? Do they fly the Jolly Roger?


historically, there were alot of variations on the pirate flag-
I would assume the same would hold true here-


Heathansson wrote:
What flag do pirates in the AP fly? Do they fly the Jolly Roger?

Pirate flags were very much unique to their captains. Think of it as a signet or coat of arms for the landlubbers. Quite often, they would not fly a pirate flag - instead they would fly flags of other nations so as to approach their prey better. If you really wanted to stir up trouble, you would fly the flags of one nation (Spain, for example) and attack ships from a hostile nation (England, lets say). You'd wait till the last minute to fly your own colors. :)

Some examples of flags:
Jolly Roger & Others
Pirates and Privateers
The Pirates Realm
FlagLine

Some ideas for in-game flags I could think of are:
1.) Lotus Dragons: Twined gold sea serpents in a white lotus flower on a green flag
2.) Scarlet Brotherhood: Clasping white arms on a red flag

And they're not pirates...they're maritime wealth redistribution specialists. :P

Scarab Sages

I would imagine that captains that sail as part of the Crimson Fleet might have a unified theme...thier personal sigil, sign, emblem on a crimson flag as opposed to a black background, but they would cherish the individuality of thier own icon.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

The Crimson Fleet ships fly a variant of the Jolly Roger; a crimson field with a horned humanoid skull in front of two crossed rapiers.


Lilith wrote:
And they're not pirates...they're maritime wealth redistribution specialists. :P

This just gave me an idea for a half golem NPC based on the 'freelance peacekeeping agent' (just dont say Bounty Hunter) known as Deathshead from Marvel UK comics.

Or I could make 'Doomskull' one of my Sasserine Sentinels (living constructs/warforged) gone ever so very bad!


I'd look at things like Treasure Planet and One Peice for inspiration. Granted One Peice takes it to a whole new level of wierd, but some of the pirate flags in it really represent the individual captains very well. And the six eyed alien skull and crossbones from treasure planet works really well for a fiendish boat.


James Jacobs wrote:
The Crimson Fleet ships fly a variant of the Jolly Roger; a crimson field with a horned humanoid skull in front of two crossed rapiers.

What color are the designs? White, Black, or yellow/gold?

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Lex Talinis wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The Crimson Fleet ships fly a variant of the Jolly Roger; a crimson field with a horned humanoid skull in front of two crossed rapiers.
What color are the designs? White, Black, or yellow/gold?

Black and White, probably. Not entirely positive yet, and since the PCs haven't actually met a Crimson Fleet ship (technically, the pirates in "Bullywug Gambit" are mercenearies and pirates-for-hire, not actually full-on members of the Fleet), it shouldn't really be a problem yet.

Liberty's Edge

I think the white design on black background schema might have been a visibility issue as well as psychological warfare symbolism, but I'm not sure.


Lilith wrote:

2.) Scarlet Brotherhood: Clasping white arms on a red flag

In Greyhawk, the Scarlet Brotherhood already has a flag--basically a banner version of their coat of arms as presented in the Savage Tidings article--a black cross with wavy arms on scarlet.

As for the crimson fleet, I think Black shows up better on red than white or gold--if you're trying to strike terror into the enemy, a black skull and crossed cutlasses on a crimson field works nicely!


Peruhain of Brithondy wrote:
Lilith wrote:

2.) Scarlet Brotherhood: Clasping white arms on a red flag

In Greyhawk, the Scarlet Brotherhood already has a flag--basically a banner version of their coat of arms as presented in the Savage Tidings article--a black cross with wavy arms on scarlet.

As for the crimson fleet, I think Black shows up better on red than white or gold--if you're trying to strike terror into the enemy, a black skull and crossed cutlasses on a crimson field works nicely!

The reason I ask is partially because the Scarlet brotherhood HAS a flag - and I have a PC with them as an affiliation, another reason is because Christopher Moody. a famous pirate had a red flag - meaning no Quarter, no mercy - and had white and Gold on it. He struck fear into the hearts of many.


Peruhain of Brithondy wrote:
...I think Black shows up better on red than white or gold--if you're trying to strike terror into the enemy, a black skull and crossed cutlasses on a crimson field works nicely!

Not really - try identifying a black device on a red shield from across the battlefield (or ocean, in this case) and see how easy it is to see. White and gold would be more visibile, but to each their own. IMHO, of course. :)


Lilith wrote:
Peruhain of Brithondy wrote:
...I think Black shows up better on red than white or gold--if you're trying to strike terror into the enemy, a black skull and crossed cutlasses on a crimson field works nicely!
Not really - try identifying a black device on a red shield from across the battlefield (or ocean, in this case) and see how easy it is to see. White and gold would be more visibile, but to each their own. IMHO, of course. :)

Well, OK--British heraldry rules (derived in part from standards for battlefield visibility) would agree with you. But I still like black better!


Peruhain of Brithondy wrote:
Well, OK--British heraldry rules (derived in part from standards for battlefield visibility) would agree with you. But I still like black better!

Me too. :)

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