Evil spells from spell compedium and Cleric


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Hey

What do you think using summon undead (or other evil spells) with cleric of Wee Jas, who is TN? If caster using evil spell will he turned to evil...?

-Gildur

Liberty's Edge

Wee Jas is a godess of death and magic. By death, I mean proper rituals, burial ceremonies, prayers to the deceased.
Also, since she is an ambitious godess, some of her natural tendency (and maybe half of her clergy follows that line) has a tendency toward evil.
I guess clerics of Wee Jas using spells like create undead or summon undead tend to be evil : they do not allow the dead to rest in peace and try to achieve their (and their godess') schemes through power.
And as a DM, I believe that creating or summoning undead is evil.
However, controlling pre-existing undead may be neutral (with a slight tendency to evil, but nonetheless, neutral).
Also, as far as I am concerned as a DM, I do not usually allow a difference of alignement between a cleric and his (her) god or godess (I am ok with heads of Pantheon : Pelor is NG but mainly good, so I would be ok with a LG or CG cleric).
I would not allow a TN character to choose Wee Jas, since she is mainly lawfully aligned.

'hope it helps...


The Players handbook is pretty straight forward on what alignments can use what spells. I believe that you must decide ahead of time when making your character, if you are neutral do you lean toward evil? or good? If you lean toward evil then you rebuke undead (not turn), in which case I wouldn't have a problem with the character using the "summon undead" spell.

In my campain I don't allow neutral characters to use spells with [Evil]... unless of course they plan on falling to the darkside... at which time they become an NPC.


Also, if you have a history with Greyhawk, a cleric of Wee Jas would sooner destroy his/her own soul than create an undead creature.

Despite her tendencey toward evil, Wee Jas hates the very idea of undead with a wild, seething, uncompromising loathing. She would never grant summon/create undead spells to her clerics now would she allow a cleric who skirted such a prohibition (like using a scroll or magic item duplicating the effects) to remain a member of her faith.

Liberty's Edge

Xaene the Accursed wrote:

Also, if you have a history with Greyhawk, a cleric of Wee Jas would sooner destroy his/her own soul than create an undead creature.

Despite her tendencey toward evil, Wee Jas hates the very idea of undead with a wild, seething, uncompromising loathing. She would never grant summon/create undead spells to her clerics now would she allow a cleric who skirted such a prohibition (like using a scroll or magic item duplicating the effects) to remain a member of her faith.

If I would have only knwn this before DMing the Shackled City. This info is not in the PH, but I think it's vital. I have to get some old Greyhawk stuff where I can read up things like that...

Thanx for the info!!!


I got slight different picture of Wee Jas from here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cc/20030222a

Specially this part:
"Emboldened by her success, Grenex embarked on several adventures of her own to raise money, gain knowledge, and discover items of power. She returned once more to the burnt-down manor so that she could rebuild it. She raised an army of undead to augment the mercenaries that she hired from outside the realm, including another band of bugbears that had assumed the power vacuum left behind by her former tribe. To gain control, Grenex had to engage in combat with the leader of the tribe, whom she killed and then raised to act as an enforcer of her will."

-Gildur

Scarab Sages

Wee Jas is referred to as the Lady of Book & Bone ( I picked this up from the Canonfire site) and has a standing interdiction against destroying spellcasting undead. In the 2nd edition version of a specialty priest of Wee Jas, the priest was obligated to cast an Augury to determine if Wee Jas was ok with even turning sentient undead, let alone destroying them. Again, this is all from several articles on Wee Jas I found at Canonfire. We always played her clergy in this manner. For 3.5 we're going by the PHB.


Those rules seems to apply only for 2nd edition. Deities and Demigods good introduces Wee Jas herself (alignment LN) and she got spells create undead, create greater undead. Also Death domain contains those spells+ animate dead. My further question is, if cleric is casting her domain spells, what happens her alingment?

-Gildur

Silver Crusade

ehb1022 wrote:
Wee Jas is referred to as the Lady of Book & Bone ( I picked this up from the Canonfire site) and has a standing interdiction against destroying spellcasting undead. In the 2nd edition version of a specialty priest of Wee Jas, the priest was obligated to cast an Augury to determine if Wee Jas was ok with even turning sentient undead, let alone destroying them. Again, this is all from several articles on Wee Jas I found at Canonfire.

Careful. CF isn't dealing exclusively in canon material. Many things you find on that site have been created by fans.

About the FtA boxet set, what the text really states is: "She is a protector of the dead, and her priests are only rarely allowed to command undead creatures, having to commune with Wee Jas to see if this is acceptable to her."

It has nothing to do with the undead being sentient or not. As priests of a LN(LE) deity, they can only rebuke, not turn. But even to do that, they need to clear it with Her first (with a Commune, not an Augury). Makes sense.

The Scarlet Brotherhood accessory adds the following:
"Note that she is a protector of the departing soul not the body: therefore she does allow use of spells such as animate dead. She is supportive of wizards who wish to become liches - a long lasting and worthwhile use of magical power."

and

"She rarely (15%) gives permission to command chaotic undead, sometimes (50%) allows the command of other non-lawful undead, and usually (80%) allows the commanding of lawful or mindless undead; in any case, the use of the undead must further the cause of law, magic or death."

As you can see, that's quite a different picture...


Gildur wrote:

Hey

What do you think using summon undead (or other evil spells) with cleric of Wee Jas, who is TN? If caster using evil spell will he turned to evil...?

-Gildur

Keep in mind, of course, that a Cleric of Wee Jas couldn't be True Neutral. You can only be True Neutral if you don't have a deity, or if your deity is True Neutral.

Xaene the Accursed wrote:

Also, if you have a history with Greyhawk, a cleric of Wee Jas would sooner destroy his/her own soul than create an undead creature.

Despite her tendencey toward evil, Wee Jas hates the very idea of undead with a wild, seething, uncompromising loathing. She would never grant summon/create undead spells to her clerics now would she allow a cleric who skirted such a prohibition (like using a scroll or magic item duplicating the effects) to remain a member of her faith.

Where are you getting this, exactly? It doesn't seem to be supported by anything 3e+. After all, one of her domains grants Animate Dead, does it not?

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