The AoW AP already blends quite seemlessly into Greyhawk. Many of the names and location are taken straight from the WoG setting, but I'd like to give the campaign a bit more of a Greyhawk flavor. The association of the Twilight Monastery with Xan Yae is a nice touch. I feel like with the Hall of Harsh Reflections there should be some more opportunities like this.
In the City of Greyhawk Boxed Set, Andrade Mirrius, a priest of Nerull, is the owner of the Pit, a gladiatorial arena in the city. He is also the head of the secretive underground Cult of the Shriven Sickle. Three versions of him are presented in Folk, Feuds & Factions, one at 11th level, one at 14th, and one at 18th, depending on the progression of your campaign. I think making the events of the Free City Arena take place in the Pit is a fitting move. I think there should be a way to work Andrade into the politics of the Pit as well. Perhaps he was bought out several years ago by Loris Raknian, and might make an unlikely ally for the PCs. The evil gods are often bickering anyway, and as a priest of Nerull, he probably doesn't like the idea of three lower-ranking evil gods potentially outshining the Reaper.
Concerning Eligos, he's a servant of Manzorian (Tenser in GH) so this might work out to have some tie-ins as well. Is Eligos taken from canon or was he created for this AP? Perhaps substituting another from Tenser's retinue might be appropriate. Suggestions?
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Three versions of him are presented in Folk, Feuds & Factions, one at 11th level, one at 14th, and one at 18th, depending on the progression of your campaign.
Does anyone know of any v.3.5 conversion of Andrade Mirrius?
I judge Aow in the World of Greyhawk (it was hard to decide between it or Eberron), and I certainly like the idea of using existing personalities from published Greyhawk material. We might be well served with a thread (here or elsewhere) dedicated to matching up AoW personalities with established Greyhawk NPCs.
Don Kenneth Brown
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The AoW AP already blends quite seemlessly into Greyhawk. Many of the names and location are taken straight from the WoG setting, but I'd like to give the campaign a bit more of a Greyhawk flavor.
Concerning Eligos, he's a servant of Manzorian (Tenser in GH) so this might work out to have some tie-ins as well. Is Eligos taken from canon or was he created for this AP? Perhaps substituting another from Tenser's retinue might be appropriate. Suggestions?
I like the way you are thinking. On the other hand, I think I am still going to use Manzorian for a while. At an appropriate moment, the characters will find out that Manzorian is actually Tenser.
MI
I like the way you are thinking. On the other hand, I think I am still going to use Manzorian for a while. At an appropriate moment, the characters will find out that Manzorian is actually Tenser.
MI
I'm doing the same.
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j.
I had considered keeping Manzorian as a pseudonym, but it seems to lose some of its effect. As it stands, my PCs heard of Manzorian before the AoW Overload came out so I either have to retcon or assume it is a pseudonym, which is the simpler option anyway. It might be an interesting turn of events if the discovery of Tenser's clone is a little-known event, and rather than reveal his resurrection to the world, Tenser decided to work behind the scenes under the guise of the outwardly more moderate alter-ego, Manzorian.
I think I'm going to go through my WoG stuff tomorrow and see if I can make some NPC adaptations. Specifically, finding an NPC to replace Eligos and Raknian will be priorities. I will also see if I can find a substitute for Marzena (the mage at Blackwall), perhaps an acolyte or pre-generated PC from the old sources who has come into her own and is now in a position of a bit of authority at Blackwall.
Incidentally, this may have been discussed already, but is Blackwall canon? I don't have my map of the domain of Greyhawk on hand but it sounds very familiar.
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I think I'm going to go through my WoG stuff tomorrow and see if I can make some NPC adaptations. Specifically, finding an NPC to replace Eligos and Raknian will be priorities. I will also see if I can find a substitute for Marzena (the mage at Blackwall), perhaps an acolyte or pre-generated PC from the old sources who has come into her own and is now in a position of a bit of authority at Blackwall.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to replace Eligos, Raknian, and Marzena with different NPCs? There are no established NPCs in current Greyhawk lore (unless I'm missing something obscure from the Living Greyhawk campaign). Of course... making these changes is perfectly reasonable as part of the adaptation process all DMs must do on prepublished adventures, but the NPCs are who they are for a purpose, after all. There shouldn't be a need to change them for Greyhawk.
As for Manzorian... this name could certainly be a pseudonym. A mage as powerful as Tenser would definatly use a device like this to try to keep a lower profile, I'd think. Especially with all the recent bad business he's been through.
Blackwall is an established location in Greyhawk, but nothing's really ever been done with it before. Until Dungeon #126, it was nothing more than a dot on a map and a few paragraphs in a few sourcebooks.
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Hmmm...kinda like this dot on the map called "Diamond Lake". I appreciate the development of the Domain of Greyhawk. It's long overdue. I just reread "Player's Guide to Greyhawk", circa 1998, and it mentions repeatedly how the setting (Domain of Greyhawk, specifically) will be developed "in future products". I guess seven yearg later is better than never. Thank you.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to replace Eligos, Raknian, and Marzena with different NPCs? There are no established NPCs in current Greyhawk lore (unless I'm missing something obscure from the Living Greyhawk campaign)...
What on earth do you mean no established NPCs in current Greyhawk lore? I must be misunderstanding what you were trying to say. Either that or you are completely unaware of the City of Greyhawk Boxed Set which details possibly hundreds of NPCs in "the Free City" and goes into great detail about a large number of locations in the city of Greyhawk. That's actually what I intend to do for an NPC conversion guide once I get around to it. Unfortunately, with as busy as I am, I probably won't be able to do it until my PCs get close to arriving at the Free City.
Interestingly enough, one of the current Living Greyhawk modules which premiered very late last year also begins in Diamond Lake, though it is not designed to be explored in detail in that scenario :-P
Hmmm...kinda like this dot on the map called "Diamond Lake". I appreciate the development of the Domain of Greyhawk. It's long overdue. I just reread "Player's Guide to Greyhawk", circa 1998, and it mentions repeatedly how the setting (Domain of Greyhawk, specifically) will be developed "in future products". I guess seven yearg later is better than never. Thank you.
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What on earth do you mean no established NPCs in current Greyhawk lore? I must be misunderstanding what you were trying to say. Either that or you are completely unaware of the City of Greyhawk Boxed Set which details possibly hundreds of NPCs in "the Free City" and goes into great detail about a large number of locations in the city of Greyhawk. That's actually what I intend to do for an NPC conversion guide once I get around to it. Unfortunately, with as busy as I am, I probably won't be able to do it until my PCs get close to arriving at the Free City.
You did misunderstand me. What I meant to say is that the primary NPCs in the Age of Worms adventures don't need to be replaced for a Greyhawk campaign because, in many ways, Age of Worms is already SET in the World of Greyhawk. There are indeed a lot of characters and NPCs already detailed in the many Greyhawk sourcebooks, and you can rest assured that we're doing what we can to make sure that the adventures and characters introduced in the Age of Worms "play nice" with this continuity.
You can certainly adapt existing NPCs and transform them to be previously established NPCs. I'm just saying it's not completely necessary.
On the subject of the city and NPC's, I'm considering running a modified version of Return of the Eight when the party is about to be told to go see Manzorian. Tuerny thus becomes a senior minion of Kyuss, possibly a player high in the Ebon Triad.
Comments, suggestions?
You can certainly adapt existing NPCs and transform them to be previously established NPCs. I'm just saying it's not completely necessary.
That's fine. I realize it's not "necessary," but for GH vets it adds a nice touch of flavor to recognize an old NPC they met back in CY 578.
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As I read HoHR I find it interesting that geographically everything uses the Greyhawk name (Foreign Quarter, Celene, etc) yet the city of Greyhawk still is "the Free City". Heck, even the "directing oligarchy" is mentioned in passing. I'm sure this has been answered already and I'm a dodderhead for not remembering the answer: why isn't the "Free City" refered to as "Greyhawk"? Does this come down to minimizing confusion between Greyhawk, World of Greyhawk, Domain of Greyhawk, City of Greyhawk, Castle Greyhawk, etc, etc?
You know, Erik, I understand they (WotC) have you by the cuffs and all, but you can go along with them without agreeing with what they say. :)
Any FR fan who's ever played in Greyhawk knows that the "Free City" refers to Greyhawk anyway. If that doesn't turn them off to the idea, I can't imagine why the proper name would. I understand there is a difference between a magazine header stating "Another Exciting Greyhawk Adventure!" which wouldn't interest fans who don't care for the setting (silly people) and a magazine header that states "Another Exciting Adventure Path!" But that can be done and still place the adventure nominally in Greyhawk while including notes for how to adapt it to Forgotten Realms/Eberron/Candyland.
But that can be done and still place the adventure nominally in Greyhawk while including notes for how to adapt it to Candyland.
Candyland? I guess the notes for this will be up 'by the end of the week'.
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j.
And I thought I was the only one who submitted "Candyland" for the WotC campaign setting search... no wonder it didn't get picked.