I was wanting some advice on this topic. In our pathfinder group we are currently 5th level and I'm currently a 5th level rogue. I was wondering whether or not I should take levels in assassin because I have been reading about the ninja and to me it poses as clearly the better "killer" class compared to a rogue/assassin (I hate they took out the assassin spell list ugh!) To be honest, I don't know if my gm will let me convert my rogue to an actual ninja but just incase he does allow it can someone tell me which class would probably be better for me and my party? Rogue/assassin or ninja?
Ok well (gods I hope my future players wont see this lol) what I have come up with so far is that the main villain is a fetchling assassin named Rhaegus whom was hired by the new king of cheliax to assassinate Codwin I and cause lots of political corruption so that he can send his armies in from the east and wipe the country off the face of the map. Abrogail II son named Draego (whom assassinated his mother) is a half-fiend and some believe him to be the son of Asmodeus has decided enough is enough. It is time that Cheliax stop suffering the constant mockery of its distant neighboring country, the symbol of freedom and liberty Andoran, and reclaim what its rightfully his. Rhaegus is a worshipper of Norgorber and he and his large team of assassins will infiltrate the people's council, bribing, blackmailing those who refuse to support him, and ultimately causing political strife with the people. His organization hides under Alma's sewer system where they secretly plot Codwin's demise. During this time, Codwins second term as supreme elect is almost up and time will soon convene for a new supreme elect to be chosen. Rhaegus has taken the liberty of hiring a group of unfathomed humanoids (gnolls, goblins, hobgoblins, and even human bandits) to join and work together for the promise of a better future. Some of these slavers, they've had enough of the constant abuse Andoran's officials have provided them and will work to raid and pillage distant settlements across various settlements which will serve to keep Andoran's government "distracted" while Rhaegus makes his move. Once Codwin is dead, an election will commence between Brigrim Tell mayor of Bellis, Radas Menadian mayor of Augustana, and Johnathan Kent (whom Rhaegus has secretly kidnapped and is posing as) whom is a distant farmer and long been in the people's council. Rhaegus will have his competitors assassinated or detained to help ensure his way to power. Presenting false proof that Taldor is behind the happenings in Andoran, once he is supreme elect he will march on Taldor effectively sacrificing most of Andoran's people to the people whom are not responsible. Once that is done he will send word to Draego, receive his reward and he will invade from the east and destroy Andoran. Simple plan, no? Not so much once the players intervene on Andoran's behalf lol. In my campaign there is going to be alot of mystery. I want my players to figure out clues as they progress through the game as to whom could be responsible for all the happenings in Andoran so as to make things more interesting.
Matt Thomason wrote:
Well what Sissyl is talking about can apply to both fictional and nonfictional countries so its fine. Speaking of which I'm starting to think of a really great way the council could end up corrupted myself. What if say for example the villain came along and managed to corrupt a politician with promises of more power and glory than what Andoran has to offer. One thing people have to realize is that in Andoran, they don't trust anybody who has too much money or power. They expect that person to start donating their hard working money to charity or help those who are down on their luck. The lumber consortium is one such organization that has accumalated so much power that the people outright protest against the consortiums shady tactics with their employment such as abusing their workers and cheating them. The consortium could very well ally with the Aspis Consortium and together they could end up corrupting every politician on the council. Some nobles grow sick and tired of the "peasantry" citizens abusing the nobles and being granted so many rights. Talking with each councilman, they themselves could choose to ally with the consortium so that they could remake the country to a more...stable economy in their favor. Should they refuse, possible blackmail or even threats of death would follow. As they continue corrupting more politicians or councilmen (sort of like spreading a virus in a good-working body or computer) the more power and resources they gain, leading to a possible return to tyranny to the good, honest, hard-working people of Andoran. :)
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Bookkeeper wrote:
Well when the council is not in session, I'd imagine all Councilors will be spending their daily allotment over watching their own municipality with each mayor 2nd in command to the councilor. Councilors collect issues of the municipality which are too much possibly for the mayors to handle and then they would probably take these issues nationaly. Not really sure what else councilors would be doing as part of their job whether they really do have supreme authority or just advising the mayors. As for the background checks, I'd imagine that whomever holds the law in the candidates municipality will be required to send a copy of their records detailing that candidates past crimes. If he has committed no crimes the law, such as a sheriff or even a judge or guard captain, will issue a letter stating that that individual has committed no crimes and the letter will have the mayors signature for assured confirmation or whoever is currently in charge if the town is mayorless (and yes I know thats not a word lol) which I'd imagine would be like a town council or some advisor that serves lifelong to every mayor in authority. Truthfully, I can't imagine anyone being viable for election if they had Chelaxian, Taldor, or even Isger blood in them as they could be an agent of that country. Nearly all of Andorans neighbors...well...hate Andoran pretty much except for the dwarves up north and Druma, whom have proven a good source for trade so unless it were a much needed special case I don't think they would have it on the council other than their ambassadors whom could probably attend council sessions if they would allow it.
Ok...I'm going to take a wild guess as to how Andoran's entire government probably works. Read it and tell me what you guys think: Starting from the ground up, I think each municipality that exists within Andoran has different variations and sizes and not just sized down to just a single city. Like for example, Bellis and Fusil could both together be a munincipality because Fusil is a pretty small settlement and not too far off from Bellis with Bellis being somewhat larger than Fusil. Since both settlements work to mine lumber and fusil works to mine gems from a nearby deposit, it stands to most likely show that these 2 settlements could count as a municipality as both are similar, closer, and could most likely have similar problems with the region they're in compared to other cities in the realm. Of course, these 2 settlements each have its own organizations, groups, guilds and what not that make up what it is today and those count as their own municipality or can count as a part of Bellis's municipality depending on where they are positioned within society and its people. Each municipality will then take the time to elect their own councilor to represent them on the people's council. Each municipality will choose a candidate that is most logical for them to represent them on the council. He will receive a background check, approval by the people, and then he is sent to Almas to represent the people on the council. After the people's council has been elected, they will all convene to assign mayor's to each appropriate municipality. Guilds and organizations will receive a manager to watch over them or a guildmaster whom represent the title of "mayor". Each mayor will receieve a background check, a look at their past crimes and deeds, and if they fit the position they will be assigned as mayor of that municipality. Now the likely candidates are of course going to be someone whom was in a position of power or those whom have served Andoran's interests for many years. The municipality might not like it but hey they have to deal with it as this was approved by the council. And each municipality is not allowed to elect their own mayor simply to help prevent politicians from blackmailing, bribing, or intimidating the local people into putting them in power, which could result in future corruption in that municipality. The mayor is obliged by the council and a representative will come by every now and then to check up on the local progressiveness by the municipality in their service to Andoran. Mayors are required to keep a record of all past crimes of those under them and to check with the council before making any future decisions for their own government. Then when the supreme elect is chosen which is elected by the council his credentials are brought too and approved by the council. They take a look at his records, his background, his years of service to whatever patriotic organization he was apart of such as the eagle knights and then grant approval if the candidate is valid. The council can group into select parties and have a candidate they feel will represent them as head of the council and seek approval however should this happen the vote of election will most likely fall to the people of Andoran but each candidate as mentioned before will be reviewed before put forth for election. If select parties do not agree on the election of a particular candidate and a majority vote that candidate out or make a sufficient argument then that candidate will not be part of the election. Now as bookkeeper said it is possible that the whole people's council could go tyrannical given the right circumstances and this is kind of based on my campaign. Im still trying to figure out myself how to turn 350 people into tyrannical bureacrats at once which to me seems near impossible. So far all I got is holding their families for ransom and forcing them to do what they want but planning to capture 350 families in my opinion is a little extreme and if the organization such as the aspis consortium for example doesnt want it found out it could be very difficult to keep track of each councilmans activities as that could result spreading the resources of any extremely large organization pretty thin which would result in the word getting out to the supreme elect at some point. Anyway...what do you guys think? This to me seems the most logical picture of how Andoran's government would work or could work.
Kajehase wrote:
Well I like the name Andorra wayy better than Andoran. It sounds more of what I'm talking about. Like you say it and you know its the name of a country you don't mistake it for the name of your friend next door. Another example, Faerun. I like that name because simply it just doesnt sound like something you would name somebody. And its the name of the continent in the forgotten realms so to me that helps to make me feel like the world is more believable. And yes I know about the roman gods but those are gods. I'm talking about people in general. You wouldnt try to invent a religion and call your god Dave or John. Those are peoples names and would just make the god outright unbelievable. But again its just stuff that bothers me about "Golarion" and its just my humble opinion. Ill just stick with "the inner sea".
Hi guys just a quick query. Now I'm basing my campaign off of Andoran and I am still trying to exactly comprehend exactly how Andoran's government truly works. For those who don't know I will explain. The republic of Andoran is both driven and solidified by one underlying force: the fear of a return to tyranny. Within the republic, the more influential one becomes, the greater the public scrutiny, as there is an inherent distrust among Andorens for those with too much power and authority. As such the higher one climbs in the democratic government or the more wealth one accumulates, the greater the social pressure to be charitable and promote good works. Now when Cheliax was overthrown by the rebellion, Andoran chose to redistribute land allowing the nobles of the once mighty Cheliax to keep some of their property but returning the rest to the people. These lands were then divided into municipalities with each represented in the government by a duly elected councilor who sits on the peoples council. The people's council consists of 350 seats or 350 people as it were. Once the council has been elected by each municipality, the council elects a mayor for each municipality to help prevent corruption by the politicians from bribing, threatening, or otherwise manipulating the local populace into electing them as mayor and the council bases its decisions solely on a mayor's credentials and merits. In addition to each municipality, each major guild such as the merchant guild and the trade guilds have a representative on the people's council with almost every trade having a voice on the council. The peoples council also has ministers, consuls, and a supreme elect of whom which are also included in the council. The supreme elect is the one who heads the peoples council and pretty much rules all of Andoran. Now with all this info I have a couple of questions on stuff which I am confused about: 1)I don't fully understand the election of the councilors and mayors and how much power each has or what they devote their responsibilities too. Is the councilor head of the munincipality or is it the mayor? Can neither be a head and can there be like a supreme leader of both? Are both given some kind of incentive by the people's council when elected to keep them from becoming corrupt or do they have their full focus on their organization or munincipality? 2)What exactly counts as a munincipality? I know there are city, states, and even guilds as was mentioned in the companion book but the book mentions 350 councilmen whom are elected for each munincipality and there are sure a hell of alot less than 350 citys or states within Andoran, atleast thats what the book tells me. So is the rest like just a bunch of other unnamed organizations that the gm makes up or what? 3)What exactly are the responsibilities of a cabinet, minister, or a supreme elect? Is the supreme elect kind of like a king or a president? And is his rule controlled by the council or does he choose the decisions for the country without question? If anyone has any information on this please let me know. I'm truly fascinated by what I've read in the companion book about this country and am eager to get a proper understanding of how this country runs on a daily basis. Thanks so much! :)
One thing that bugs me about Golarion is some of the names they choose for their countries. Like the name of the world Golarion which I really dont like. Some random person or mage most likely could be walking around with the name Golarion Silverhand for example. You couldn't really name a person Jupiter or Earth simply because those are names of planets and the names themselves dont even sound like something you'd name a person.
So I'm curious as to everyone's idea on this topic. Say for example you were part of an evil organization that wants to rule a good-aligned nation such as Andoran for example. What clever plan could you come up with that would be sufficient to get your organization to the top? What tools would you use and how would you use them?
Anthony Adam wrote:
Good idea. I try ending with a cliff hanger lol but my players end up wanting more and more.
Kurt Grossman wrote:
Lol I like those kind of decisions too. It's a great way to give players a sense of reality in their games because quite often in rl we make choices and are unaware or unable to compensate for the consequences of our actions. I see too many games where its just so linear and players really just have "one path to follow" and not have like many forks in the road to choose from so yeah thats really cool!
Story Archer wrote:
So you basically just give players questions and you give them leave to explore and find out at their own pace the answer to those questions which most likely will end up leading to more questions? Thats a really epic idea and to me this is a great way to keep players in many ways wanting to find out more and keeps the story interesting because it gives the players a good reason to keep playing. One thing I know that lots of roleplayers love especially me is exploring the unknown so I think this is a fantastic idea!!
Hi guys. So I'm making a fun campaign for my players and I'm a first time gm. Now I have run modules myself in the past but for my story I'm looking to add alot of flavor into my campaign to make it fun and not just another adventure/campaign that my players go through. In past games I played, I played with dm's who somehow at the beginning start off in a way that just draws players attention and keeps them wanting more and more of their story. I ask them myself "what's your secret"? They always tell me that just touching a players sense of wonder and curiousity is the best way to go. While I whole-heartedly agree with that statement I don't think thats the only way to go so I'd like to ask expert gm's out there who have been gaming for years: What do you think makes a great and memorable adventure or campaign?
Hi guys I myself have been working on a pathfinder campaign that is supposed to transform the world of golarion in unseemingly impossible ways. In my campaign, it is going to be entirely based off to where Cheliax and Andoran go to war with eachother with each side having a number of different factions, provinces, heroes and villians etc. helping eachother out. Now I hope no one minds but it is going to be an extremely long post of stuff I'm typing so please bear with me. Now at the beginning of my campaign it starts off to where Queen Abrogail II has been assassinated by her sons lackeys, a large half-fiend named Draego Thrune whom few believe to be a son of a devil and he ends up taking the throne. Having a growing dislike for Andoran's constant mockery of his country he feels it is time to start drafting and training a powerful army that will wipe this stain of liberty off the face of golarion. To begin, he wants to play it smart. He wants to make sure that Andoran is at its weakest when he goes to invade. He begins hiring a contingent of Norgorber assassins led by a man named Rhaegus Karesah, a fetchling and by far one of the most deadly assassins in all the inner sea. His goal is to use his guild of assassins (whom are worshippers of Norgorber) to advance himself as Andoran's new ruler...and then tear the country apart! Codwin I second term is almost up at this point. Rhaegus intends to have this age-old paladin assassinated so as to assure that he does not get granted a third term and he would be a threat if left to linger. Once he is gone, the peoples council will convene over the coming weeks to decide Andoran's new executive over the state. Rhaegus, as mentioned earlier will be one of the electives for the position as well as Bridwin Tell of Bellis and Radas Menadian of Augustana whom Rhaegus will have conveniently...disappear. Using his assassins, he will send them to pay a visit to each 350 members of the peoples council to blackmail, intimidate, or bribe them. Those who agree soon discover they have gained a powerful ally which is a guild of assassins to use at their discretion. Those who disagree soon regret that decision and discover that they are in deep shit. For those who own businesses, they soon discover a loss of workers and a large decrease in their economy. If that is not enough, then their families will be kidnapped. If that is still not enough, they and their families will be marked for assassination and be replaced by a polymorph ritual(to explain, Norgorber illusionists have discovered a way to greatly enhance the duration of a polymorph through a carefully planned ritual that makes it last indefinitely) to pose as that same person for a time until after the election. Rhaegus will be posing as a man named Johnathan Kent a member of the peoples council and close friend to Codwin I whom the real version will also disappear for a time. Try as they might to warn Codwin or the eagle knights or anyone for that matter, they are very carefully watched and messengers they send are killed and disposed of. Feeling helpless, they all will have to submit eventually turning the peoples council into a large hostage regime. Other factions assist them in this matter such as the lumber consortium, whom grow tired of the constant attacks from the public people of Andoran and aim to see the rule of Cheliax return. They have provided an alchemical concoction which I chose to call Vial of dissolving (I plan to come up with something more creative) that effectively rusts or melts away wood and metal. Using this, Rhaegus helps assist in the weakening of Andorans ships, armor and weapons, tools for different companies, etc. to destroy Andorans economy outright. Now Rhaegus does not want to draw the attention of the eagle knights or the government so to pose as a distraction he intends to hire tribes of several various humanoids: Gnolls, bandits, goblins, hobgoblins and bugbears who band together for the promise of gold and other various rewards to war against Andoran from within ambushing caravans, travellers, and even adventurers and taking them as slaves to be shipped off to Cheliax or to help at their main camp which will be a Wooden fort hidden deep in the Norgortha peaks. Having an iron mine below, the slaves will be carefully watched. The bandit tribes constant attacks grow so threatening that they fully draw the governments attention away from Rhaegus. These tribes unite under a man named Victor Taiberius whom is a cleric to Norgorber. As 2nd in command is a Hellknight of the Rack named Arcturus ranked Paravicar in his division of hellknights. He watches over his lower-ranked hellknights and helps keep order. With all this happening, Rhaegus will claim in the election speech that Taldor is responsible for all of this happening and even present false proof to the people. He promises as well to help remove the bandits off the face of Andoran and bring in a vast shipment of lumber, iron and gold to help with the predicted war with Taldor. With plans to send Andorans forces east instead of west where the true threat lies, Cheliax can move in with ease and take over their lands once again. Should things go wrong and Rhaegus fails, Cheliax will want to have his head and he knows it. He will flee to the darklands where those responsible for his failure are expected to pursure him outright...and he will be ready for them! Now, this is only part 1 of my campaign which I expect might end up going from 1st to 10th level maybe more. I want you guys to tell me what you think and offer any helpful advice. This is my first campaign but I take "constructive" criticism very well and seriously. I'm of course posting this mainly to get advice from those whom have been playing this game for years! I'm also in the process of designing Rhageus's gear whom I will probably end up making a rogue 5/assassin 8 so if anyone knows of useful assassins gear that he could gain post that as well. If anyone knows of more factions in-game at this time or if anyone has any cool ideas for side quests, other cool factions to put in, or even a cool name for my vial of dissolving lol please post me. Thanks again for reading! I really enjoy writing this stuff and I know it was really long but hey...I'm pretty sure it was interesting right? ;)
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
Hmm...perhaps I should assassinate the competition and claim my place muaha...MuHAHAHA! Only kidding of course. But thanks for posting this I really appreciate it! :)))
Yeah, Sutter has said as fiction editor he doesn't have time to go through a slush pile. If you want to write, its best to get published writing non-golarion things, and then send him an email saying you would like a chance to write a piece and use your published pieces as your portfolio. He discusses this in his appearances on both Know Direction and Chronicles:Pathfinder Podcast podcasts. Ok challenged accepted then! I personally have written many background stories for many of my characters and everyone who read them said they were great(and no they were not just saying that. I always expect honest answers from my viewers)! I even had someone from a neverwinter nights 2 server: The sword coast chronicles messaged me and my story woke him up better than coffee lol. So I know I have something to offer to the writing industry and I hope Ill be a successful writer myself. But thanks guys for the info, hope I oneday get Sutter's attention. :)
This crossed my mind while I was shopping at Barnes n Noble for a good fantasy book that there were no books based on the Pathfinder Universe (and I don't mean like the Player handbook. I mean a good novel with a plot, Characters, and Suspense). Is Paizo allowing this and if there are any authors writing a book; any advice for a newbie? :)
James Jacobs wrote:
Oh awesome! Thanks fo that James Ill look those up right away.
Well...that sucks. But I guess Ill order it anyway to see what I come up with. Im planning on writing a pathfinder series on a drow assassin and really I just need to know who the great houses are, who the important people are in each, what cities they own, where the darkland surface entries are, and info on the layout of the second and first cavern levels.
Hi everyone! Im relatively new to Pathfinder and I plan on writing a book about a drow assassin(Surface-born or living in Zirnakaynin/Dark lands I havent decided yet) and I was wondering about the campaign books. Sadly, I lack a great deal on the fantastical world of Golarion and I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations on which book I should buy. Im leaning towards Inner sea myself but I would like to hear everyones opinion before I decide. Thank you! |
