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The game will get there... Maybe not to where it ever appeals to YOU, but who f~&~ing cares about that at the end of the day.

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serioustiger wrote:

However, simply saying "go play with others" to justify a lack of content is a big cop-out. I'm not saying that's what the devs are saying, but it appears to be your argument.

This is where we won't connect. I'm not justifying a lack of content, I'm promoting it. I specifically chose this game because I was tired of being presented content. I don't want content to come from the devs, I want a game where it comes from players. In my point of view, the less PVE elements, the better. However, I realise that they intend to create more as the game develops, and Crowdforging may accelerate that. In the meantime, as they introduce more tools to facilitate player-created content, such as the upcoming Holdings and Outposts, feuds, caravans etc. it may help satisfy both us.

Ah ok - then I agree with you - we won't connect, but your position is of course entirely legitimate.

Coming from a theme park background myself, I would agree that if you are thinking of playing this as one plays WoW, you will not enjoy it. This game is driven by the activity of others around you, just as your activity drives theirs. You need one of two settlement/company situations in game to always be busy - either a small group of very active players, or a very large pool of less active. If you have both you are very lucky. When one has neither, you should change who you play with. The most frequent complaints of "there is nothing to do" seems to consistently come from individuals who are isolated.

Yes. But you're not describing PFO uniquely, you're describing any MMO. The most fun by far is the interaction with other players. And as I said, I've played many of them for far more hours than I should have.

However, simply saying "go play with others" to justify a lack of content is a big cop-out. I'm not saying that's what the devs are saying, but it appears to be your argument.

I repeat my original plea...I LOVE PFRPG and I really want to love PFO. But I call "Emperor's New Clothes" on anyone saying that PFO is currently in any kind of acceptable (even viable) state and my fear is that like so many MMOs before it, it will be dead inside a year of release. And that would be a criminal waste of the IP.

If you can't enjoy a game with bad graphics, you have my unending pity. In many ways the classics are absolutely the best. Graphics are an element to good design, but a relatively small one.

I would expect iteration on graphics, but if you're expecting a total overhaul (and if such would be a requirement for you to play), then don't hold your breath.

In terms of 'stuff to do' - there is plenty of stuff to do. But there is not much content, as that is what I expect you mean. This isn't that sort of game. The other players are the content. See: EVE Online.

Yeah, don't think I'll be needing your pity, thanks. I've played thousands of hours of MMOs (and indeed MUDs, to your point about graphics) over 25 years. Including hundreds of hours in EVE.

My point isn't that I can't see past the graphics - or even the lack of them - but in 2015 if you're going to make a game that has graphics at all, there is simply no excuse for them being this poor.

Ah ok that makes sense - I guess I figured that with Head Start having begun and no server wipes from now on, we were closer than a year away. Still time to tear up the graphics engine and start again then!

Thanks for the advice Al.

OK...my experience with this game so far is just bad.

The graphics - on the highest settings on a top-end machine - remind me exactly of Everquest (the first one). Which was a great game. In 1999. Character animations look like Thunderbirds puppets.

That's when the game isn't crashing within seconds of launch, which it does two out of every three launches, or pretty much whenever I try to change the settings to improve the experience.

I must be missing something because other people appear to like this game which I guess means either they've never played any other MMO since DAoC, or they are prepared to get past the fact that the graphics make their eyes bleed. Me, I can't. It's just so amateurish - along with other design choices that make me think the dev team has been locked in a box since at least 2005. Almost worse than the presentation is that there just isn't much to do...and this close to release, I doubt that is going to change much.

I had really high hopes for this game because it has the best IP in the world to build on. But I guess Blizzard really has hired everyone who knows anything about MMO design.

I'm sure I'll get slated for bringing up WoW but it really is the elephant in the room here...I didn't expect PO to be as good at launch as WoW is today, but it's nowhere near even the quality of WoW when it launched in 2005.

Like I said - I love PFRPG and want to love this...help!

Not sure what lubrication has to do with being gay, I assure you straight people use it too. :)

We do? Oh wait, yeah, we do.

Astonishing premise for a thread but hey, bringing the sex back into RPG. Man, we're hot :-)