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Question #1: Any better options than shortbow or gakgung with 10 str?

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Great feedback, thank you. I'm good with the familiar - not really sure it would be worth a class feat but an ancestry feat I'm good with.

Will likely go Wizard/Witch/Psychic next, will use the lvl 4 skill feat quick mount to meet the reqs. Will check out Alchemy as well if damage ok.

Agree on cavalier charge.

First session went well, highly mobile and/or no issues with range. Only attacked a few times - Damage was underwhelming but could have been just bad rolls. lvl 3 Gouging claw 1d6+2d6 is ok, but will scale a bit.

Lvl 8 gouging claw = 4d6+4 (4d4 bleed on crit)
Lvl 8 imaginary weapon = 4d8+4 - amped = 7d8+4 as focus spell
(unsure if there is even an option to cast un-amped, seems focus spell = amped)
Lvl 8 shocking grasp(+3) - 5d12 elec (+1d4+3 persistent elec on metal)

If I wasn't so hung up on a companion - psychic seems solid damage at level 6 if I'd taken that first.

I rerolled a lvl 3 char - wasn't happy w/summoner and have a few questions:

Question #1: Any better options than shortbow or gakgung with 10 str?
Question #2: Any specific starlit span + familiar synergies?
Question #3: What is a good progression for mounted archer at level 6? Class feats, another dedication (psychic, alchemy, archery, witch/wizard, cleric, investigator?)

Ended up going gnome Starlit span magus

Cavalier dedication - pony (won't grow to large at mature),

Cavalier vs Beastmaster - cavalier has a quick mount skill feat, can get both impressive mount (mature AC) and quick mount at 4 - leaving level 6 available for class feat or another dedication.

Small mounted archer 18 dex/16 int (18 int by lvl 6) -

Using a gakgung currently - not really thematic for the region so may have to change - but 1d6, deadly d8, propulsive, monk, 100' initial increment

Question #1: Any better options than shortbow or gakgung with 10 str?

Took a gnome familiar - will likely get enhanced familiar at some point and use it for focus + cantrip and likely an invisibility sensor.

Question #2: Any specific starlit span + familiar synergies?

Lvl 6 - can take another dedication or start adding class feats, only a few look good

Enhanced Familiar
Expansive Spellstrike
Cascade countermeasure - just for focus point :(
Also cavalier charge (2 action stridex2+strike)

or

Can take the Psychic dedication feat - Focus point + amped shield
Level 8 gets imaginary weapons and 3rd focus point
Will need 1 more feat to move on

or

Alchemy dedication - lean into crafting with magical crafting as well
Can craft a variety of items...

or

Archery, witch/wizard, Investigator? Fighter?

Question #3: What is a good progression for mounted archer at level 6? Class feats, another dedication (psychic, alchemy, archery, witch/wizard, cleric, investigator?)

Good spells for anti-flyer?

Just noticed Avr's post - doh!

No reason you can't drop ship the tiger into the back row once you have enough wildshape/day. Eagle, etc for mobility, then melee into the back

Prometeus hasn't posted at paizo.com in almost two years Jute, and the last update on the guide was three years ago. Your request won't go anywhere.

Man, that's a bummer.

I'm trying preferred/spell perfected dazing explosion of rot + progenitor fey form - fun so far at level 15 - could have used more insight on the higher level stuff. Most stuff is outdated.

The brawler has some issues depending on who reads it.

But one that is even better, is the Channeler Occultist. Can get the whole shikigami style, and can enchant equipment easily.

That's what I thought as well, and I just built one out for a living world server. It has some funkiness with it though with the whole fleeting focus thing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/comments/fxiz2l/occultist_extempora neous_channeler_questions/

Seems like it will be difficult/annoying to make use of some of the resonent powers just because you won't be able to just have the mental focus ready to pull. Benefit is that you can spend a round and replan everything, then suck it back in after combat... but it just seems odd and expensive. I'm at level 3 right now, will see how it goes.

The sledge was intimidating to the DMs, so i've dropped it down to a 1d6 and will pick up a metamagic rod when I can.

Normally an Occultist would invest their Mental Focus (MF) into their implements at the start of the day, and then spend MF on the various resonant and focus powers.

An Extemporaneous Channeler (EC) does not do so, they retain them as Generic Focus (GF) and can use a round to invest into their implements.

I'm trying to figure out what my plan of attack would be during a combat encounter, as unlike normal archetypes it doesn't seem to be friendly with resonant powers that cost more than 1 or 2. I was really looking for an improvised self buffing melee, but I don't think I'm comprehending the timing of it all.

Example lvl 3 EC with 20 Int - Level + 2xInt mod = 3 + 10 = 13 Mental Focus

Transmutation, Abjuration, Illusion with Sudden Speed and Energy Shield Focus powers

I have questions:

Question #1 - For Transmutation and Abjuration resonant powers, can you invest the MF earlier in the day and then let it drain out, but still get the benefit? i.e. Physical Enhancement

Fleeting Focus (Su)

"At any point during the day, she can shift any amount of her generic focus to any number of her implements by concentrating for 1 round while touching her implements "

Question #2 - Does this mean they can use 1 total round to invest as much MF into as many implements as they want? i.e. Before a fight I want to buff with Mind Barrier and cast Minor figment (no other good standard action at this point).

Round 1 - Invest implements, know I need 2 MF for swift action Mind barrier and 2 MF for minor figment. I invest 2 MF into abjuration and 2 MF into illusion in the same round. Yes? If I want the Transmutaion and abjuration resonent powers I would now need to re-activate both implements with 1 more MF each? <--- Question 3

Question #4 - does it still cost me 2x the amount to invest after the initial preparation?

Round 2 - Swift Action - Use Energy Shield to get 15 energy protection for 1 minute

Round 2 - Standard, I change my mind and choose not to cast Minor Figment as it is limited use.

Round 3 Standard - Trigger Legacy Weapon for 1 or 2 MF to give the weapon +1 for 10 min

Round 3 - Swift - Trigger Transformative Resonance with 1 Generic Focus to get Bane vs an enemy type for 1 min (already +1 from Legacy) (need to hold 3 in body)

Questions 5+

So what have I spent at this point to buff?

Possible benefits:

+2 Strength - Physical enhancement - Transmutation Needs 3 invested to trigger -
Costs 3 or 4 MF? 6 or 7 MF?

+1 Resistance to saves - Warding Talisman - Abjuration - needs 2 invested to trigger - Costs 2 or 3 MF? 4 or 5 MF?

Energy Shield for 9 more rounds - 1 or 2 MF

+1 weapon enhancement for 10 rounds - 1 or 2 MF

Bane Weapon - 1 Generic (need to hold 3 in body)

On one hand, this seems ok, I can probably get 2 focus buffed short fights or so a day at about 7-10 MF.. this is w/o casting any spell buffs

On the other hand, it seems terrible that the resonant powers aren't really applicable to this archetype as they are generally of higher cost and would only last a small portion of time.

Go to Duped here.

This is a necro, but I've been looking into it a bit as I really like the concept. Self buffing hit someone with anything, even pick up an enemy and hit other enemies.

I've tried brawler 1(or monk 1), Titan Fighter 2, Goliath Druid X which was fun for Actual size bonus - Large weapon + enlarge
Virtual size bonus - Shikigami 1-3
with a sledge to go from 2d6 > 12d6, 24d6 with vital strike by lvl 7.
A table leg (1d6 start) goes to 6d6, 12d6

I spent some time trying to get an arcane in there and then go dragon disciple, but never ended up with anything too exciting - too many dips, even harder thematically.

My current experiment is channeler occultist single class or in a possible gloomblade dip for flavor.

If you can get the powerful build/oversized limbs tiefling ability - you can skip titan fighter completely. Honestly, the 1 size increase is probably not worth the lvl dip into an unexciting archetype. Then run into issues with not being able to enlarge an outsider though, so possibly 2 size increases.

If you want to dip the monk, you can skip the vital strike and flurry with monk of the empty hand.

Improvised weapon mastery (bab+8) gets you another size increase... I think virtual, and gets you to 16d6. Giant form 2 from goliath gets another actual size increase so you start at huge... and I'm not sure what is after 16d6. It also improves crit range to 19-20

Barroom sphere gets you improvised weapon mastery at lvl 1...

It can be tough to enhance your improvised weapon so:

The eldritch scrapper gets you the martial flexibility ability which is nice, but more importantly it adds arcane strike into the feat list for an additional bonus.

If you stick with gloomblade you can create shadow improvised if you get improvisational focus, and then you can enhance it.

Occultist channeler archetype lets you enhance your transmutation implement/weapon as a couple different ways.

Shikigami allows you to add some weapon qualities and get +1 for each 4 CL levels if a maagic item.

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=450?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Q uestions-Here#22460

Standard to start, standard to maintain, lasts for 1 round after they stop. Harpy gets 1 free shot in.

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=450?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Q uestions-Here#22460

Standard to start, standard to maintain, lasts for 1 round after they stop. Harpy gets 1 free shot in.

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=450?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Q uestions-Here#22460

Standard to start, standard to maintain, lasts for 1 round after they stop. Harpy gets 1 free shot in.

If possible, please flesh out the druid spell list doc. If you are aware of another with the higher level spells that would be appreciated as well.

Agreed, not a fan of unchained at all.

Meliador - I agree, and I like it.

Now, need to figure out how to get a fair, tough tiny one.

Sure. Neither would be as powerful, but they could be different skill monkeys or weak fighters or cannon fodder/schleps

Standard eidolon can get overpowering, to some extents a second character/set of actions. It gets more so with the large and huge evolutions.

I'd like to accomplish having the option to have a reasonably effective alternative to getting larger but in a relatively impactful sense.

Large is a huge benefit at 4 points
+8 Str, +4 Con, +2 Nat AC, +1 CMB/CMD, 10 ft reach if biped
-2 Dex, -1 AC, -1 Attack, -2 Fly, -4 Stealth

Large is a huge benefit at 6 points (below is cumulative)
+8 Str, +4 Con, +3 Nat AC, +1 CMB/CMD, 15 ft reach if biped
-2 Dex, -1 AC, -1 Attack, -2 Fly, -4 Stealth

Other than logistics (i.e. dungeon spacing) or thematic (can't have a huge whatsit walking in town) - why would you not increase to at least large (reduce person can mitigate most of the thematic/logistical size issues if large).

Anyway, would like to come up with a fair homebrew that would be as impactful for a small or tiny eidolon.

Any thoughts? Something that can be impactful but maybe mitigate the 'hell no summoners'?

Starting with small or tiny size i.e. possibly:

X/day temp growth to large?
"Enlarge Person" spell actually takes them to large or medium with partial bonuses
Create an equivalent evolution for density - still get some str/con - but stay small (more weight/dense, maybe+ac. Would remove the +flying shenanigans too)

The obvious answer is - don't take 'large', but I wanted to use it to get something for a smaller size. i.e. something like:

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?79680-DnD-Statting-out-the-Na c-Mac-Feegle

https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Pictsie_(5e_Race)

https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/rJb76kNPFZ (Discworld for 5e)

Thanks

Disagree with your logic on the Summoner as a bad tripper. Your mistake is to suggest the eidolon should be the tripper. Wrong. The Summmoner themselves rather than the eidolon should be the tripper.

Here is how it works through 12th level.

Race: Half Elf
Race Traits: Ancestoral Arms (Guisarme)
Half elven Summoner Favored Class bonus gives +3 evolution points at level 12.

Stats

Str 18 (14+2 racial+1 each at 8th and 12th)
Dex 14
Con 14
Int 13
Wis 9 (level 16 increase to 10)
Cha 14 (13+1 at 4th, with items like headband of Alluring Cha for further spell bonuses/summons per day)

Feats: Combat Expertise, Improved Trip, Fury's fall, Combat Reflexes (eidolon has this earlier), Greater Trip, Weapon Focus.

Spells: Focus on things like Enlarge Person and Haste (at 4th level!) to increase combat effectiveness.

Eidolon: He is your combat monster, he is here to smash your trip victim into tiny pieces. There are lots of ways to do this. He provides cover, and bonuses to AC, and action economy. You keep him up at all costs. You are always directly behind him with your reach weapon. He is there to make your foes kibbles and bits.

Summon Monster: Obviously deempahized in this build, but still useful to deal with unusual foes. Dealing with invisible foes? Summon earth elementals. Need to deal with evil outsiders, summon hound archon. Usually in the background.

Weapon Choice: Keeps you out of the front line, especially with enlarge person.

Hope this provides food for thought.

More thread necro -

Trying to build out a summoner > spirit summoner > earth spirit - gets improved trip and greater trip for free, albeit a bit later with stone stability hex. All depends on GM fiat of how the eidolon and hexes work with the archetypes and levels. Going off hero lab and it works out pretty well. Going to work in some teamwork feats like tandem trip and paired opportunists. If GM allows all Paizo can get Dirty Fighting to remove need for combat expertise and a +4 to CMB if flanking

Ha, my bad.

I was getting sick of buying things for Hero Lab - used slow faller to simulate getting Fury's Fall and then gave the CMB in adjustments.

True, and then there is just the complexity of reach, more AoO, etc.

I'm leaning towards the melee Eidolon build instead, although still at a bit of loss with the summoner. Will make a good buff bot/crafter, but might be it.

Other than giving my buddy wings, or shooting them with a bow/spell, any other preferred methods of taking out non-magical or SR casters?

Appreciate it. Although a bummer. Not a big fan of grappling, seems like even more effort

Looking at the list of CR 8-12 creatures/stats it looks like CMD can get to the 50's for bosses - Low 30's will succeed on average. We will be able to start some rounds at 30+ (ideal, fully buffed)

3+ trip attempts per round - some at auto success.
Plenty of AoO, good AoO generation
Reach (with its own set of issues)

Summoner – 90 hp, 23 AC, DR2, +11/+6 1d10+7 melee, 10’ Reach, no Summon SLA
-Trip CMB up to 22, 26 when flanking – 1 or 2 melee attacks, does not provoke AoO
-+2 with heroism, +1 with enlarge person, at level 10 get greater trip -(+2 and AoO on trip) - So I can hypothetically get to 25 (29 w/flanking)

Eidolon – 65 hp, AC 26, DR5, 2x Bite +16,1d8+10, 2x Claw +16,1d6+10, Bite 10’ Reach
-Eidolon trip CMB to 22, 26 when flanking – trip on 2 bite attacks, -does not provoke AoO
Buff to 29

AoO
Both have 4+ AoO a round
Both have Reach 10’
Both have Paired opportunists -if both threaten, +4 Atk on AoO, if one of pair gets AoO, both can attempt

Overall
Summoner is weaker – 4 feats towards trip, going melee, no summon SLA or summon buffs
Eidolon is weaker – 4 feats towards trip, 1/3 evolutions towards trip, bad saves
Together , viable?

Looking for feedback on a first character. Only started playing RPG's a month or so ago, have played an NPC for a few sessions and next session my character gets introduced.

Level 9 - anything but 3rd party. Full shopping (kind of the hardest part) other than anything over 25% wealth (46k)

Been struggling with going with a buddy/trip eidolon build - SEEMS like it should work, can get to 20 CMB or so and can increase that to probably 24ish with some more items.

Most likely add Tandem trip feat at next opportunity.

Note: DM didn't seem like a fan of the mass summons and strongly recommended an archetype that removed the SLA. Ended with Spirit summoner, earth elemental theme.

The alternative is just go with a standard quad/pounce melee build.

More standard Quad/Pounce melee build. Still not sure what I'll do with the summoner other than buff and maybe toss some arrows. Will also probably sit back and hex - either slumber/ward/evil eye.