Every time I read "...this is why I stopped buying X..." I think to myself well then this conversation is not for you, please go away. The title of this thread is not "Festivus; the airing of grievances about your product!" Seriously a well worded concise letter about your dislikes or likes would much more appropriate and more apt to be considered. As for the OP thanks for starting the conversation by blaming the majority, seriously, as SWM I an aware it's my fault and that if only understood that other people like other things them maybe you'd get that mince meat and squash pie you've been pining for. While I think that Paizo is doing great things reaching out to a much broader audience than ever before and being more inclusive than I ever seen in the 20 years I've been playing, I also think it's great that they are being so brash about breaking these barriers by not submitting to the thought police and political correctness. This company names their devils, tells their readers how character summon them, marks all manner or arcane sigils throughout many publications and yeah they portray the females as sexy and proud. Sure a couple of thick girls would be ok just as a handsome, ruggedly bearded fellow would be fine on a cover or two of the product. I just don't think that vilifying the art and story choices that exist so far (less than 100 FTR) is helping your cause. Besides have you ever thought thats why most plain, simple townsfolk don't really like adventurers? Here they are dressed in their plain, homespun garb and here comes Valeros and Amiri come rolling in and bam! suddenly every boy in town is sharpening swords and all the girls tighten up their blouses. Sure maybe the smith's burly daughter pull's out that axe she's been making and the waifish bard also tunes it up. Sure it bears mention, but if the story is served by the tension between the PC's and the over excited youth of the town, townies with swords and strumped up girls will bear more mention than the fringes.
- Get your Perception out of my _______ skill I have seen GM's and published material use perception as a catchall for all observational skills. ie; finding an oddity in some form of architectural structure, that's Knowledge (Engineering); to notice tracks or a path, that's survival; too notice odd or suspicious behavior, that's Sense Motive, etc...
Have Longtooth show up after the white dragon in book 5. Have him hire mercenaries waylay the party and ambush them on the ambush. Have him seek the temple that the artifacts were taken too and sack it. Using the temple sack and artifacts as bait into a deadly dungeon, perhaps the halls of wrath from Dungeons of Golarion.
Jessica Price wrote:
I think people are often seeing things as they wish to see them and actively looking for offense you will find it. As for privilege and 'difficulty settings' I don't think that anyone is able to judge or say with any authority who has things easier; I was raised in a poor, unstable, yet loving household with angrily divorced parents and am a white male. Is my DC for life less than yours or do I have to fight ethereal filchers and zombies while you fight a host of undead? My hard work to overcome my own troubles in no way makes up for any other persons trouble or inability to conquer them Having worked in male-centric careers most of my life, military and corrections, I could not disagree more with the rare women comments. To say 1 to 10 is the ratio would be generous in both cases. I would rather say that most of the women I work with are so empowered they DEMAND respect and are assertive about securing equality. Most them even recognize that the difference of the sexes exist and each has their strong points. Most of the guys I work with are not toned out and indeed step hard to those that think the women I've worked with are weaker or made for derision. I would even say that in both cases management was the driving force behind the equality not the employees. If it exists in the gaming industry then be a force for change, don't allow for defeat and if the managers won't back your play find a lawyer who would love to. The average guy I work(ed) with has a HS diploma and might possess a few credits of junior college. It doesn't take learning to make a respectful male it takes training. Over the 20 years of gaming I've gamed with women and girls regularly in home games, con-games and society style play. A few of them have been inappropriate and some of the guys have been inappropriate. Poor behavior is a personality trait, not a trait of the sexes. One of the most awkward moments at my table was between two guys; one play was excited to beat the BBEG and wanted high fives, the other guy was distracted and missed the high five. Guy 1 high fived guy 2's forehead in his boisterousness. Stunned silence surrounded the table and those two players have stayed in their separate groups since. We even had a girl who thought inner wear was outer wear. We lost two players due to her dress mode; the religious guy who was offended and her because we asked her to tone down the dress. She refused and he didn't want to have breasts thrown in his face (IDK either!?) so he stopped attending and she got upset with us for our request of the middle ground of appropriate dress. I truly believe there are people who live to be offended and those that live to offend. In my opinion neither one should get away with it.
Ok folks here ya go. Look at the PRD, which is the most current and correct version of the rules and includes currently published errata.
Why does this discussion have 500+ posts of circular semantic arguments.
Love you guys!!! PS - bold and bigger were added by me.
The Goblin wrote:
You think their product is good wait til you experience their customer service...it what really pushes this company over the top. (and Cosmo 'might' have paid me to write that...)
Cosmo wrote:
Thank the gods we get to hear from Cosmo! My personal favorite Paizonian. I was just hoping to learn what Cosmo's first RPG experience was like.
Sean K Reynolds wrote: BTW I wouldn't let you cast masterwork transformation on an unarmed strike, mainly because there is no "masterwork equivalent" for a unarmed strike, which means the spell would have no effect. I just read this and instantly though of David Duchovny's hand model character from Zoolander...
DeathMetal4tw wrote: I demand more discussion. Played a Strix from 1st (rogue sniper if you must). Pretty hardcore at low levels but soon the Dm began to compensate. Besides a flying rogue makes a great fly by attack-snatch-fly away snack. Not many of those pesky paladins up there in the breeze to stop you. Nothing game breaking really.
Having played RPG's for going a a solid 20yrs I have to say there are two main reasons the groups I am in choose to play Pathfinder.
One group I was in played 4e long enough to realize that the system was stale and that WotC truly had zero concern or care for its customers. I was a huge DD3 fan, liked the changes to 3.5 and hoped that 4e would have turned out differently. When they took their magazines out of my bathroom despite the hue and cry it caused I knew this company wanted to put out a quality product, not for me to enjoy, but purely to keep the profit margin in place. It showed and now my hard earned scratch goes to Paizo and will for the foreseeable future. I haven't even visited the D&D home page in months yet I visit Paizo daily. Forget the rules, forget the adventures I have been sitting around with my friends playing RPG's in all their forms and crappy rules systems were made awesome by great GM's and good friends to play them with. I would play any edition of any RPG, and still would to this day, this company shows so much respect to it's fans that I will support them until they stop printing. Hasbro lost my business by not caring about my wants, Paizo earned it by giving me more than I asked for. Good luck with 5e I can't wait to play it on WWGD, our groups now annual foray into 4e. |