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When I hear my cell phone buzz somewhere in the room, even if it has total concealment, I know it's there. However, knowing it is there doesn't make it easier for me to pinpoint it. It remains way more difficult for me to pinpoint it than it was for me to notice it (perhaps) in the room. Probably close to twice as difficult. I usually then go borrow a phone, start calling it and keep re-rolling my perception check until I find it. How'd it get under the fitted sheet of the bed!?

There have even been times when I couldn't make the check and considered. Well, maybe it was my imagination, or perhaps it was buzzing in that room. God forbid that I was in a non-quite environment, like an ongoing battle while I tried to pinpoint my buzzing cellphone. Heck that would be like a negative trillion to my perception check to notice a buzzing cellphone :)

People are like omg it's too hard to pinpoint invisible things! lol - luckily for the uninvisible, invisibility is downgraded drastically if used while doing things such as trying to harm the uninvisible. I guess the bane of any party is the evil wizard that gets away. Nothing worse than when my players cry and cry that it shouldn't be impossible for them to keep the invisible bad guy around. Too bad they weren't prepared with one of the billion methods of thwarting invisibility (slight exaggeration).

Well, good discussion. However, I have to give my vote for resident expert on all things invisible to Sir Grick the Patient Explainor of all things Unexplainable.