If the demand is there and profit can be made then imo Paizo will release PC3. If not we have so many classes as is to last us many adventures.
Not necessarily speaking for myself besides edition fatigue and not willing to buy more of the same with some small changes sim sticking with 5E. I already own PF 1and 2 and plan to buy the Remaster. If I had only bought 5E I would stick with it. I would only look for alternatives if and only if I was hugely disappointed in how 5 E plays and runs. Many Rpgers stick to games they are familiar with and like to play and run. Jumping on ever new bandwagon is rare and far between.
Hopefully Torag survives one of my favourite gods.
IMHO Rise of the Runelords, Kingmaker, Curse of the Crimson Throne.
Abadar or the less known Demi-God called Spencer. I was going off knowledge when I could still count my age on two hands.
Abadar or the less known Demi-God called Spencer.
I agree with Reza no matter how Paizo or any rpg thst has alignment mechanics in it. There will be always discussions sometimes heated about it.
Perhaps a separate new thread instead of derailing this one is in order.
For me the best alignment system has always been the Palladium Books version. What a character can do in point form. If a good aligned character insists on torturing or killing prisoners depending on their alignment it tells the player if they can. Ironically enough I have found many D&D players dislike it because unlike the open ended end sometimes vague alignment system they can’t exploit it using their alignment for questionable to evil actions. I never claimed it was financial abuse. I just don’t like using online SRD in general and even then only got an fest or class. I am not in any financial distress or broke. I just don’t feel buying the Remaster or any similar editions at this time.
For smaller rpgs and core books and supplements so enjoy using Online SRDs. Larger set of rules like Paizo just not my thing. Again I am lot advocating they should not do the Remaster. One should also not expect or demand full support from the fans either. I want it to succeed I also past the stage of bring an completist when it comes to rpgs. Same thing with Tales of the Valiant. I fully support KP for doing so as well even if I won’t probably buy it. In terms of splitting the books into player and DM it should have been done way back with 1E imo. What made Paizo stand out was that it was a continuation of 3.5. not having an all I one core book. Pocket editions came much later having PHB and DMG separate would have made it easier to read and carry from table to table. The opportunity was missed with PF 2E and finally being done in the Remaster. What really get me interested in buying more from Paizo, KP or Wotc is them going fully generic like Savage Worlds, Gurps and Heyo System. If Sacred cows mean nothing anymore just go the fully generic route. With one core book for the rules and setting expansions.
Just because Wotc forced their hand does not mean one should simply shrug and accept the Remaster I’m not against them doing it. I totally understand and respect it . It’s not going to make me want to just ignore my budget and blindly buy the Remaster. In the same way I m not getting zone D&D. Budget and an unwillingness to learn another system. As much as I want to I can’t justify it financially. No matter that Wotc forced Paizo hand.
I feel the same way. Totally understand why they did it. Just dislike many of the changes. As well as a cost issue in that I can’t justify buying another version. I have a few editions of D&D and Pathfinder 1and 2 I have years if not decades with those rpgs. I may change my mind once air hear/watch and read reviews of the Remaster as never say never.
I tend to ignore the flavour text as it makes look so much more impressive than what the rule is. If the flavour text is. You smash easily through objects with the force of your might. With the actual rule being + 1 to actually Sunder objects. No amount of flavour text is going to change it. Make the flavour text actually match the bonus or power of the ability. If fonts cannot be changed maybe put the text in an another color so it stands out.
I am in agreement with the OP keep flab or text and rules separate. Many options sound great as flavour text them when looked at objectively come off as a simple +1 to attack/skill etc. no amount of flavour text is going to make it look any better than adding one to the dice roll. So yes my vote for keeping both separate.
PF1E even if it ports over all the flaws of3.5. With very small attempts to fix those flaws at that. I was going to get into PF2E with the remaster on the horizon will switch to thst instead.
While I don’t like all the changes I tend to agree thst there is a difference with how Wotc handled 4E lire vs Paizo handling of the situation.
Not a fan of that particular novels series. The ending especially swore me off almost buying 4E because the major change was done to make FR more in line with 4E. I won’t say more because I dislike how it was handled to this day and because it would require major spoilers.It's about the only positive experience I have had with FR fiction, so we clearly have very different tastes. What was promised and what we received ended up totally being different. The ending especially was an huge bait and switch imo. I could say more I just don’t want to spoil it for other readers. I understand that 4E changed, altered and removed much of the previous FR lore. What could have been done surgically with a scalpel with precision. Was instead run over with a bulldozer so it conformed to what Wotc wanted the 4E lore to be. They are not an horrible read by any means though it felt like an also to older FR fans.
Not a fan of that particular novels series. The ending especially swore me off almost buying 4E because the major change was done to make FR more in line with 4E. I won’t say more because I dislike how it was handled to this day and because it would require major spoilers.
I don’t blame Corellion for not apologizing . If my wife at the time worked with my mortal enemy of the Orcish gods (Grumsh) to plan my death all so that she could gain more power at my expense. I wouldn’t be apologizing either. It’s amazing people forget that she not only was willing to betray Corellion the rest of the elvish pantheon as well simply for power and prestige. She was also responsible for causing elistraee to be banished because she magically cursed her daughter bow to hit her own father. Corellion is no saint neither is Lolth.
I never was against guns in fantasy I just found Paizo 1E implementation of them badly done. Note they were warned about how strong targeting Touch AC would be by their own playtesters and decided to simply ignore the feedback presenting them as is and making one ranged weapon better than the rest. Touch Ac for many creatures is simply too easy to hit and even a minimally maxed out Gunslinger never missed. Sure one can target or take away the weapon. Smart posters carried or made sure to save enough money to buy or craft a new one. If they are going to target regular AC in either PF2E or the Remaster is a bonus to me.
Oh, I'm so glad ghouls made it! Honestly, they're probably my favorite Darklands baddy alongside algholthus. I’m not sure if you play 5E, you may like an adventure/sourcebook from Kobold Press called Empire of the Ghouls(I think). I never read it myself though have heard if you like Ghouls in D&D and want a fresh take it’s an excellent sourcebook.
Not sure how many views one can have on this issue. One either likes or hates the change imo. Not sure how one can simultaneously want Drow in yet also want them out. I can see it from the angle that they want them in yet changed in terms of behaviour. Others like the Cavern Elves as a replacement. Then that would be other way to look at it. Not sure their can be that many multiple views on the topic I could be wrong.
Terevalus no need to explain yourself let alone justify how you feel about the change. The removal of the Drow even with Paizo explanation was going to be a contentious issue with some fans. Some like the change sone don’t both sides can express their thoughts on the issue. BTW no one here to my knowledge was asking for another Queen of Spiders remake. Wanting the Drow to remain evil, unrepentant, smug, seeking to continual expand and control everything around them. As counterparts to the good elves is not necessarily a bad thing imo. It may not be everyone cup of tea so to speak. It maybe for some. As I said previously I made peace on the topic others can and should be allowed to voice how they feel if they feel otherwise. As long as it’s fine in a constructive manner.
I made my peace with the entire subject. Obviously still not happy yet between 1E, 2E, Pathfinder 1E and 5E have many versions of D&D that I can use the Drow. All that I ask is that the Darklands have interesting villains in them. They don’t have to be unique just make them competent and fun to use.
Serpentfolk attack “ attack attack” Alchemical Bomb and arrows land close by. Serpentfolk “ retreat retreat “. The really did not showcase how competent a leader he.was in the show unlike the comic.
As long as it’s not the the goofy Tv version of Serpentor from GI Joe. Every scene the character went in the battle the voice actor blasted Cobralalala.
Also as I mentioned elsewhere I'm honestly suprised they dont seem to need to change Kobolds since unless I am mistaken Kobolds as little lizard creatures were as much Wizards of the coasts as Drow or color coded dragons The whole use of the OGL for allowing and disallowing stuff seems uneven at best. Why are Kobolds fine and not Drow.
If Wotc owns the IP to the Drow it’s one thing. If it’s just because the look like Wotc Drow then I cannot see it being an issue. Then again I’m not a Lawyer. I could be wrong. I’m sure other movies can show other characters using energy swords even if Lucas probably owns the rights to Lightsabers.
At this point I’m good with the change though l do hope we get to see some truly evil empires and races in the Remaster world background of Golarion. Not every race had to be evil yet not every race has to be good either imo,
Well if they change the Drow to Cave Elves and keep their culture mostly the same then fans are not going to notice or care about the name change. If the Cave Elves are completely opposite of what the Drow were in cultural, behaviour , tactics etc imo yes fans will notice. If one takes Hobgoblins renames them and makes them peace loving farmers they are imo no longer Hobgoblins just something else completely. In the end it’s not for anyone here to decide how I and other posters view or feel about the change. We all on an individual basis decide. Some will shrug and not care other if the Drow as a whole are radically changed and some can will notice and either like or not the major changes. I think the main issue is that many elements even if OGL are being ported over into the Remaster with no significant changes. So it has done thinking why are those rules. Races etc are allowed and not the Drow. If and I mean if it’s because of an either a societal change or simply the devs being uncomfortable about writing and using the Drow whatever the reason simply admit that. They mentioned not being comfortable about writing and including Slavery in APs just say the same thing for Drow.
My take continues to be different appointment though understand why they are being removed. Though if they are removed it leave them out. Especially and unless I’m mistaken they are retconned out of the setting. Either go all in and they are forevermore more removed from the setting. Or simply don’t retcon them and in any new setting for the remaster simply mention why they were removed for OGL reasons. Retconning then bring them back would imo just cause too many people to go back and forth wondering and be possibly confused on Paizo stance on the Drow. To give an example and warning spoilers for an old TV show there used to be an TV show called Dallas. One of the main characters was killed off. To the point of no return. Picture them dying in front of friends and family in an hospital room after being hit by a car. The actor at the time wanted out of their contract to do other work. Unfortunately for him his post-TV career never took off. The producers decided against all better judgement to bring the character back. Two-three years after the character death, The character wife in show suddenly wakes up walks around the apartment sees as if her husband is still alive. Walks around sees his shoes clothes on a chair on the floor walks to the bathroom and sees the character alive taking a shower. Needless to say many fans were angry to say the least. The show ratings were hurting at that point due to poor writing and having a character with no hope of return coming back and the past two to three seasons by using an dream retcon was just an insult to the fans and imo an major reason why the show was cancelled due to poor ratings. Doing the same with Drow bringing them back at a later date whether it be magic, dream or whatever Deus Ex Machina should not be done.
The potential new look for intellect devourers (which will likely be referred to as "corpse thieves" or "body snatchers" and by their own name for their kind: Xoarian) that I've proposed is a five-limbed octopus type thing, with the body being something that'd fit into a skull all comfy, and with each of the five limbs being devoted to controlling one of the body's five senses. We'll see though if that route sticks or if we go some other direction, of course. ( Slowly points at James Jacobs with an intense stare, opens mouth and begins to scream in an inhuman voice). Taken from the 70s film remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Yeah I’m kind of old lol.
That’s not an Paizo poster that’s an imitation. Sorry just saw John Carpenter The Thing yesterday and could not resist .
Understand why it was done because unfortunately whether we like it or not they need to divorcé themselves entirely of any OGL elements. For the purpose of any rule questions etc I will refer to them as the Drow as the new name for the time being does not roll of the tongue as easily as Drow.
Another one here who has never heard of Cultivator. Of course one can use Google though it’s also kind of proving how obscure a term is if it needs to be looked up online. If someone asks what a Mobk is I can reference movie with Bruce Lee, Jackie Chen and Jet Li. Not as easy to do with Cultivator . Three of my friends only one knew because he is an heavy manga reader. The other two obe thought is was a Druid class the other a machine that breaks the earth in a garden.
True though Jarlaxle not so much evil more Lawful Greedy lol. Many older characters just seemed to have suddenly shed their evil personalities in the Salvatore novels.
Wotc didn’t exactly handle the newly redeemed Drow well imo. Character that has been evil on the books like Drizzt evil brother and Jarlaxle suddenly went from being evil. To good guys almost overnight simply because W Tc wanted to show Drow less evil. Nothing wrong with that at least use new characters. Existing Characters that have always been evil suddenly having moral epiphanies comes off as bad writing imo. As long as we get a mix of evil, good and neutral elves is all I ask. Not the entire Drow populace suddenly being good aligned.
I would probably keep Drow mainly evil in any setting I would run though use your approach. Most are evil though not all. So thru can be used as Heroes or Villains . Or both.
I agree with the first part and I rather see Paizo do a unique take on the Drow rather than just take Wotc version and just tweak it. I’m hoping many races get a unique take. Or just different from what Wotc does. As for the thread it started well though as soon as someone disagrees with Paizo change on any subject the worst is assumed of the poster. Best to do is not engage flag and move on.
Wiling yo give it a chance though out of all the changes not a fan of the changes to Alignment. Too often it’s “ what my character would do” is a catch phrase for players acting like a free for all with their actions at the table. I no prefer ability scores they make it easier to visual what a player would do. 3 Str and 18 Str got me at least stands at more than -2 or + 4 , then again that may change eith time. The other changes I will comment more when and if I purchase the Remastered Edition.
Having just bought the current PF 2E core will I still be able to purchase the Bestiaries, Gamematstery guide and Advanced Players guide and other earlier books that came out for PF 2E core? Or will I need to purchase them all over again?
How is it not the GM call to make. The GM is not another player at the table imo. They can choose to run by Raw or they can implement their houserules. A player is free to stay or leave if they don’t like the options given. What’s next if I choose core races and a c player chooses to play a non-core one I cannot refuse. I guess my previous point stands it’s not really just about being inclusive it’s just allowing a player free for all at the table. This is the only forum where it seems the GM can never refuse anything.
Well of course homebrew rules imply home games. If one is playing at an official event one follows Society or rules by raw. Not every table is the same. It’s like some here assume every and any GM won’t have houserules or they assume since they hate the houserules that penalize players, that no other GM will have houserules thst may penalize players. GMs as players are not all the same or have different styles of running or what they want from a game. Some don’t want no restrictions or penalties. Some do.
Who is lashing out, I’m simply stating an opinion and something I might possibly homebrew eventually in my own games. Even then it’s not set in stone. Apparently responding to a counter post is considered lashing out.
So an DM had zero say on what can or be can be allowed at their games. It’s anything and everything goes for the players. No home brew allowed or at the very least anything that gives a negative. Since the whole concept of homebrew is to not be exactly the same as Raw. It seems to myself at least less actually about wanting to be inclusive and more not wanting to be told no they can’t play exactly what they want. Dm restrictions and homebrew be damned.
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