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Dvati with this would be pretty sick. A Dvati Bard//Drill Sergeant would be even better as self-buffing.


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I am fairly sure that is the base being used.

And I disagree just because those abilities appear as At-Wills does not mean they have no daily use, their daily use is just unlimited.

So if you wanted to burn your feats on adding in two more spell-like abilities at will I don't see it as being to powerful because you are wasting a lot of feats to bring that concept online.

I think this question is making use of the 3.P concept, using 3.5 material in PF which I do all the time, general concepts, races, Prcs if they are specific enough to warrant it.


It was mostly due to the high crit range with little cost in money and so forth.

I can honestly say that only a race with darkness as a spell-like or somewhat common ability could have the Shade.

Also for a Drow Noble in the surface world there is always the Szarkai (Albino Drow)


But PF does not use LA, specifically it does not use LA. You use the creatures CR which is 2 plus the CR 1 of the Drow Noble puts me at CR 3 which means I am effectively three levels behind. LA was always bloated to make playing anything but the core races a punishment.


The Improved Critical at 5th level is nice and the bonus to hit and damage is nice as well.

The Race/Template Combo makes Cha a +4 so I was focusing on a Cha basis. Though I imagine a Magus//Swashbuckler gestalt would be pretty sick mixing in spellcombat with precise strike on a 15-20/x2 weapon.


Well that is not the question here.

I want to know if the Swash will work with this Race combo, I have talked my DM into a Drow Noble campaign where we are all Shade Drow Nobles so the CR increase is kind of useless for class levels.


I know the Daring Champion but can the Magus even gain the good deeds?


The question is on the build not if the race combo will work. The Swashbuckler on this build, will it be effective once I get it up. The Luck bonus should help with the poor saves it gets. The Deflection bonus makes him tougher when stuck to light armor. The bonus to Cha means Dodge panache is even better.


PF has their own rules on playing monster PC and it does note buying off those CR levels. So this would be a PF rule. Half-Dragon in PF is a CR 2 as well.

2d10 will be rough at level 5 that is for sure. The +2 to attack and damage is nice, the Luck bonus to saves with Fate's Favored will add a total of +5 to Will and Fort saves at-will deeper darkness is a way to solve problems when it comes to losing his powers in daylight. Basically be depowered when not in combat, first round of combat drop Deeper Darkness using the vision abilities to see through deeper darkness even in dim light to begin with and go to town.

Shade template actually makes no mention of the Shadovar. It explains that is can be applied to any humanoid creature by removing part (or all) of ones soul and replacing it with Shadowstuff from the Shadow Plane.


Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (pg 315)(It has the template which says its CR is a +2)

Arthurus where are you getting those numbers?
Drow Noble is a CR 1 race
Shade is a CR 2 Template
1+2=3


This is a home game

I know LA does not exist, the template has a CR +2.

So I am starting 3 levels behind the party (2 class levels)

My DM did allow the CR limitation of 3.


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Hello people of the forum,

I am beginning in a game where we are starting at 5th level. We are playing in a mash up of 3.5 and Pathfinder. Books included Races of and their campaign books so on.

Because we are starting at level 5 I was allowed to make any character I wanted so long as the CR adjustment is not greater then 3. Well I wanted to play a Swashbuckler because I love the fluff and all that of the class.

So I wanted to play a powerful race combo.
Drow Noble with the Shade

So that that would leave me at level 5 with only two class levels but when I get near 6 I replace one CR for a Class level.

I know this is insanely strong, I am not debating that but do you think it will work? I have a full background story for why this combo exists.