heh no pun intended Greg, but he still is a bitof a monster to a party of level 12 adventurers:) Definite TPK potential even as an 8th elvel cleric. PS: Keep up the good work, great adventure btw. Again like the nods to the past especially the little sister encounter. That was always one of my favourite random encounters from Against the Giants, Big Johann riding into town on his wooly mammoth. Also Veliakr being the son of the "The Keeper" the deformed huncback from the original adventure was a nice touch.
Thansk for the replies. I re-read that bit in the back of the 3.5 MM. I must admit I find the "non associated" to be unbalanced to say the least. It's not balanced in anyway or form. I think i'll stick to my house rule, 1 character class level = +1 to CR regardless. Using the Velikar example. He's a CR13 creature. If you used an associated class he could have 6 levels of Fighter for example with the follwoing benefits, +6 to his BAB, +6d10 HP, +5/+2/+2 to his F/R/W saves + 4 fighter feats and +2 general feats. Or he can be a 12th level Cleric (+9 to his BAB, +12d8 HP, +8/+4/+8 to his F/R/W saves, 4 addiotnal feats, + all attendant ans spell casting capabilities of this class). I'm Sorry, but no way earth do they represent the same sort of challenge to PC's. Guess thats another house rule to be added. Its just too much of an exploit. I wasn't aware of this change i thought it was always on a +1 for 1 basis regardless of character class.
Just flicking through the adventure and I couldn't but help notice that Velikar one of the BBEG at the end of the adventure seems a little rough on a party of level 12 adventurer's. Valiker is listed as CR 13, but as he is a Hill Giant with 12 levels of Cleric shouldn't his CR be 19 (Hill GIant CR7 + 12 level sof cleric) rather than 13? Isn't that a little rough on a party of level 12? Is this a typo or is it correct? Or am i calculating his CR wrong? TIA
johnnype wrote: When you say Beek are you refering to Beek Gwenders of Croodle (I think that was his name), the Half-Elf Ranger pregen from against the giants? That was my first character and a large part of why I love rangers so much. Does he show up anywhere? What ever happened to him? I sure am. Alas he does not appear anywhere the Istivin article. heh pulled out Against the Giants from the attic. Laughed to see that Frush is still lugging around the same gear from that module! I noticed not all the locations on the map are mentioned in the article. Were they cropped for space reason or never written up? If they were written up, any chance of them bein avaliable somehow? Like a web enhancement or something?
I only had a short time to peruse 117 in the Shop but from what i read, i will definitely be buying 117 (forgot my wallet doh!). A thoroughly professional job. Frush O'Suggill, I did a little dance in the shop when i read that name. Very first Character I ever played in AD&D (He was a pre-generated PC in G1-3 Against the Giants, as I'm sure lot of you know). It's little nod's to the past like that, that make me all warm and fuzzy inside. Bring on the rest of the gang, Fonkin, Roaky, Faffle, Beek et al as well. I'd Love to see what the old crew are upto these days. I especially love the art that goes with Greyhawk article, didn't read the artist name but I know find his art synomonous with Greyhawk, especially after his peerless work in Dragon on Greyhawk related articles (Kalman Andrasofszky?). The article struck me as being of calibre suitable to a fully fledged accesory as opposed to a Dungeon article (not meant as a backhanded compliment by any means). 10 out of 10. The price of teh DUngeon issue is worth it for this article alone IMO. Kudos to everyone involved. Now I have to find an excuse to get an International Sub for Dungeon now, as well as Dragon. |