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First of all Vermin Aspect Turns you into a swarm. Granted it functions the same way as enlarge person Rule wise. But in the end your not a giant humanoid made out of bugs. If that was the case you wouldn't have 0 range. Nor would you be able to occupied space as you would technically not be a swarm.

Regardless thou this dose not answer what natural attacks dose my Vermin aspect form grants me. As 2 claw attacks on a creature that don't even have hands. Dose not make any sense what so ever.

Lastly, i am talking about the shifter wild shape. Which in reality functions just like beast form 2. But using the major aspect of your aspect animal to determent the benefits you get. But their is a limit to what types of natural attacks you can use in this form. A snake shifter couldn't use claw attacks for the sole reason she doesn't have hands. Granted she would just use 2 bite attacks but regardless. The attacks you get should be based on what your form is.

Ps the only reason you have attacks to begin with for swarm shiftier. Is because having the abuilty to automatically deal damage. Like how normal swarms function would be broken. This is why you have to wait until high level to get most of the swarm befits.


Not sure if thats how that works. Picture this, How would a swarm have a claw attack to begin with? As lets be honest hear when you use vermin aspect you are dissolving into a pool of insects and spiders. Neither of which has a claw attack to begin with.

Regardless thou Vermin Aspect is a form of wild shape. Which functions exactly as beast shape. But uses your aspects to determiner what benefit you get. Take for example the bear aspect.

Major Form: Your shape changes to that of a dire bear. While in this form, you gain two claw attacks (1d6 damage) with the grab ability, a bite attack (1d8 damage), a 40 feet base speed, low-light vision and scent (30 feet). At 8th level, you gain Improved Natural Attack with your claws. At 15th level, the critical multiplier of your claw attack increases by 1 (×2 becomes ×3) to a maximum of ×4, and you gain the Awesome Blow feat.

As you can see the wild shape form of the bear aspect Clearly states what natural attacks it gets. Problem is this is not the same case as the vermin aspect form for the swarm shifter.


Just To keep this simple and quick. I Noticed that Vermin Aspect is essentially a level 1 Wild Shape that Grants Bonus to natural armor and the spell like effect of Enlarge Person.Turning the shifter into a sentient swarm.

What it dose not tell me is what natural attacks you received for being in that Form. as the only idea i have comes from the shifter claws snipit on swarm. Which allows me to gain a bite/Pincer/Sting attack.

So i don't know if i just get 1 bite/pincer/sting attack at large size, Or do i get something else? I cannot for the life of me find anything on this. So could someone help me figure this out.