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@Ruzza that was my original thought as well. I know that there is a ton of talk about unstable odds being more managable, but I haven't seen anything concrete enough to know what the usage expectations would be. DC17 is basically saying you get to use 1, maybe 2 if you're really lucky. Even if it's DC12 which would be a huge change thats most like maybe 2 or 3 if you're really lucky making the unstable abilities feel like intentionally very limited.

One thing that would be great is if unstable only effected that specific feat/feat tree. Currently if you Explosive Jump into a pile of enemies, odds are that you won't be able to explode which seems like it would be a really natural combo. Even if it was DC17 for each feat that would mean you could combo them together through 1 "rotation" before risking wasting a turn.

@Exocist I do agree that some of the innovations lack "fun" factors. I find myself just trying to min/max the perfect weapon with that innovation tree as opposed trying to create something ridiculous and exciting which very much feels like it should be the spirit of the inventor.


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Serial Loafer wrote:

I did a bit at first, but the more I look at it, the less problematic I think it will be. You lose out on 1 attack bonus and 1 damage (assuming melee) by virtue of your primary stat not being your attack stat, but Overdrive and Offensive Boost should help a bit to overcome that, especially when combined with Unstable Actions (which the devs have stated they are looking into changing the DC for). I think it'll probably come out to be offensively as viable as a Paladin Champion, which isn't bad considering the shear amount of defensive ability you have available.

I would like some more options to enhance unarmed attacks with the armor or add attached weapons, though, to give a higher offensive presence in lieu of some of the defensive options for those that want to go that route.

Ya this is more or less where I landed as well, although I still feel that a character lagging behind in primary offensive stat + delayed weapon proficiency with no feats to make those attacks at least more interesting if not also more effective could feel very 1 dimensional.


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This is by far the subclass that interested me initially. I really like pretty much all of the rules, feats, and innovations.

I do feel a bit like this subclass will fall into the trap of many trpg "tank" classes where they become these massive indestructible tanks that just kind of stand in the corner ignored by any remotely intelligent enemy because they are not a real threat of any kind.

It feels like by the time you have the stats to be a successful inventor most characters are going to be running around swinging a sword relatively poorly in a really super amazingly cool mech suit.

I have a feeling this will be heavily mitigated by filling out the feat trees, but it is something I'm a bit worried about.

Am I missing anything? Do others share this concern?


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Activate Two Actions (envision), or a different activation if otherwise specified ; Frequency once per day; Effect You cast enlarge on yourself or use one of the other activated abilities granted by a later Living Monolith feat.

Does enlarge heighten?

Would you become huge at level 7?


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Were there any notable changes to weapon traits or critical specializations?


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Is there anything super interesting or notable to you you'd like to share that nobody has asked about yet?


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RicoTheBold wrote:
Ossuman wrote:
Did Bards get anything new or exciting? Most of what I've seen says they are pretty much unchanged.

This one has an underlying issue that bugs me, and I'll talk a little about changes to how all classes work more generally.

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The points about spellcasting changes across the board are super valid and I didn't mean to ignore them. In my head I was thinking about how, in my opinion, it felt like the muses had a little less overall impact on the direction of your character than a lot of similar level 1 "paths," did and I was particularly curious if that was adjusted in anyway. Obviously there was no way to get that out of the question I asked so my bad. Your answer was super helpful regardless of how poorly I worded my question so I appreciate it!


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Did Bards get anything new or exciting? Most of what I've seen says they are pretty much unchanged.


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RicoTheBold wrote:
Ossuman wrote:
Were there significant changes to the druid orders? In the play-test it felt like you could only ever be part of what it felt like to be a druid.
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Awesome! That's exactly what I was hoping to here. 1e felt like you were good all the things and you're right the archetypes really hurt for that reason. Excited at the idea of being able to be great at a couple things and fine at the others!


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Were there significant changes to the druid orders? In the play-test it felt like you could only ever be part of what it felt like to be a druid.


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So I saw a build a few months ago that combines these three classes to make a surprisingly well rounded charisma based build. The general idea was taking advantage of lore keeper from the Oracle Lore mystery to use Cha in place of Int for knowledge checks, high skill points from ninja + Cha based ki, and divine grace of Paladin to leverage Char even more. In my head it came from this forum, but I've been looking for hours and have come up empty. I'm slowly piecing the build together, but in the meantime I'm looking for any suggestions and/or if anybody knows of the build I'm talking about and knows where to locate it. In my head it's named something like "Lorekeeper of the White Shinobi," but I've searched on those words so many times I'm starting to think I made the whole thing up.

Any input is greatly appreciated!
Thanks