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I was just reading Player Core, and I noticed the description of Avoid Notice (p438) no longer has the rider affect from Swift Sneak and Legendary Sneak. The Core Rulebook had:

You attempt a Stealth check to avoid notice while traveling at half speed. If you have the Swift Sneak feat, you can move at full Speed rather than half, but you still can’t use another exploration activity while you do so. If you have the Legendary Sneak feat, you can move at full Speed and use a second exploration activity. If you’re Avoiding Notice at the start of an encounter, you usually roll a Stealth check instead of a Perception check both to determine your initiative and to see if the enemies notice you (based on their Perception DCs, as normal for Sneak, regardless of their initiative check results).

Emphasis mine.

While Player Core only has:
You attempt a Stealth check to avoid notice while traveling at half speed. If you're Avoiding Notice at the start of an encounter, you usually roll a Stealth check instead of a Perception check both to determine your initiative and to see if the enemies notice you (based on their Perception DCs, as normal for Sneak, regardless of their initiative check results).

I assume this is an accidental omission to Player Core?

I've noticed the spine for Howl of the Wild includes the standard green details around the Pathfinder and Paizo logo at the top and bottom. Which is the same as the new remaster core books. (also the HotW front cover has the second edition in green banner in the top right). In pre-master, all books after the core six came out had unique spine design without the colored top and bottom, they had unique font on the spine, and had Second Edition by itself in the middle of the top of the cover.

While 100% subjective, I much preferred the unique spine design. It made books arrayed on the shelf much more vibrant to look at. Given that the books live there, I feel the spine design is a lot more important than perhaps it is given credit for.

Does anyone know if the new remaster books (Howl of the Wild, War of Immortals and beyond) are going to follow the remaster core books with white spines, standard font, and green top and bottom? Or will they go back to unique designs?

As a related question, do the images of the books on the website accurately reflect the spine design? It looks like they do in most cases, but I haven't seen any in hand images of Howl of the Wild so I'm not sure.

Hello brains trust.

I love Automatic Bonus Progression but I have two problems with magic item cost in with ABP.

1. Buying Magic Items with ABP
In 1e, the attack bonus, armor bonus and profiency bonus of all magic items was clear. 1,000gp for +1 armor, 4,000gp for +2 armor, 2,000gp for +1 weapon, 2,500gp for +1 skill bonus etc.

In 1e, using the 1e ABP, if the PCs found a +1 flaming longsword, I would price it at 6,000gp (the regular 8,000gp minus the 2,000gp for a +1 weapon - whether or not that was RAW correct it doesn't matter - it seemed to work out).

I can't find an equivalent pricing for 2e.

If my PC wants to buy boots of bounding for the extra 5ft movement, what does it cost? The PC can't utilize the +2 item bonus for high and long jumps, so what discount should be applied?

Is there an official answer? (edit) Do I use Table 4-16 from the GMG? (/edit)

My current plan is just to let potency and item bonus both exist, though not stack. Therefore the PC just pays the full price for the item, but won't get double the bonus. The problem is it encourages the PC to buy magic items in skills other than the ones they get potency for (but is that actually a problem?).

2. Creating PCs above 1st level with ABP
What do I do to adjust table 10-10 to account for ABP? I couldn't find an official answer.

OPTION 1 Make no changes. With this option, all magic items are the same price and potency and item bonus both exist but do not stack. But the PC will have more "stuff" because they'll get their weapon and armor bonuses through ABP and get to spend all their gold on other magic items.

OPTION 2 Reduce the number of permanent items allowed in Table 10-10. But by how much? At level 12, a PC should get a +2 great striking weapon (LV 12) and a +2 resilient set of armor (LV 11) through ABP. But table 10-10 doesn't even allow a 12th level PC to have a LV 12 magic weapon yet. So what do I reduce the table to?

OPTION 3 Reduce the lump sum gold allow in table 10-10. But by how much? Using the same level 12 example as option 2, the +2 great striking weapon (LV 12) and +2 resilient set of armor (LV 11) are a total of 3,400gp. But how much is +1 to all Perception checks worth? How much is a flat +1 or +2 to a skill worth? This links back to the first topic above on buying magic items. (edit) Again, should I use Table 4-16 from the GMG? (/edit)

Hoping for some good advice or solutions that have seen play - or even an official rule I've missed.

Thanks!

The Rogue multiclass archetype gives a free skill feat that the player can choose.

If taken at level 2, this skill feat would have to be a level 1 feat and therefore not more powerful than any other archetype that give a specific skill feat (which is usually a low level one).

But what happens if a PC takes the Rogue archetype at a higher level - e.g. through the human Multitalented ancestry feat.

Can the skill feat be any feat the PC currently qualifies for?

e.g. A PC is Master in Stealth at level 7. They take the Rogue Archetype via Multitalented at level 9. Can they take Swift Sneak as their skill feat? (requires master in stealth).

Hey team, hoping you help me work through why Ephemeral Tracking exists.

It seems to me, that is this one of those "Fill in a rules niche for something that didn't require rules" and "now the assumption is I can't do that thing unless I take that option."

Before Ephemeral Tracking, I assumed a high enough level of Survival would cover crazy tracking options like across water, through air etc. If you are legendary in Survival you should be able to do those things.

Now it looks like a ranger can't track through air or water, regardless of proficiency unless they take this feat. AND, as it's a focus spell above level 1, the same ranger needs to take a totally unrelated feat to qualify by gaining a focus pool.

I want to make a tracking ranger who is the best of the best. So I see Ephemeral Tracking falling into one of two interpretations:

1. You can't track over sea or air without it
2. Tracking over sea or air is usually a Master or Legendary task. This feat allows you to track over sea or air by only being an expert in Survival (in this way it is similar to the Trap Finder feat of rogues)

Have I read it correctly? Something I've missed?

Now that Disrupt Prey is a reaction, is seems like a poor man’s Attack of Opportunity. While DP can be gained at level 4 rather than 6 for AoO, the text of DP is missing two key parts from AoO. 1. DP doesn’t trigger from ranged attacks. 2. DP misses the text about not counting multiple attack penalty that AoO has.

And of course DP can only be used on a hunted prey.

Was DP meant to be AoO but just for prey? Hence being available at level 4 vs 6? Or are these omissions on purpose?

When does the AC bonus from Combat Expertise trigger?

Situation

The PC moves 30 ft to attack an ogre with a 10 ft reach. The movement through the threatened area provokes an attack of opportunity.

Once adjacent, the PC uses combat expertise on their attack.

Question
If combat expertise was declared as the attack action before any movement was made, does the AC bonus apply to the attack of opportunity provoked by moving through the threatened squares?

i.e. When is combat expertise triggered?

Hey everyone,

I'm trying to cost a magic ring that contain the following spells. The associated costs if they were individual items is shown. All three spells have the 30 % discount for requiring a specific class (in this case Ranger)

Hunter's Howl - (Ranger 1), CL 5th (to boost duration to 5 rounds), at will activation, 3/day. Cost 4,200 gc (1 x 5 x 2,000 x (3/5) x 0.7).
Instant Enemy - (Ranger 3), CL 7th (min to cast), command word activation, 1/day. Cost 5,292gc (3 x 7 x 1,800 x (1/5) x 0.7).
Terrain Bond - (Ranger 4), CL 10th (min to cast), command word activation, 1/day. Cost 10,800gc (4 x 10 x 1,800 x (1/5) x 0.7).

I'm confused on the rules of combining multiple effects into one item. They're all spell effects and I assume would use the rules on Multiple Similar Abilities. But that rule has discounts for when the item is slotless, and this will be a ring (not slotless).

Does that mean the price would just be the combined cost? Or have I missed somthing?

I'd like to create a utility wondrous item called a "Stone of Hidden Campsite". Essentially a stone that creates the effect of a "Hide Campsite" spell. (I'd potentially modify it to be a group of stones that create a circle to make the effect, but the area affected would be a maximum of one 20ft cube as per the spell).

I'm trying to work out how much it would cost to buy such an item. As per the wondrous item creation rules it would be "use-activated or continuous" and therefore cost "spell level x caster level x 2,000gp". The lowest caster and spell level would be a 2nd level spell cast by a 7th level ranger (caster level 4th). So my calculation has it coming our at 2 x 4 x 2,000 = 16,000gp.

So questions:
1. Is this pricing correct?
2. Items with no space limitation double the cost. Does this apply here?
3. It seems expensive for a utility item that replicates such a simple spell that doesn't have very far reaching consequences. Do other think it is accurately priced? (e.g. a ring of protection +3 is only 2,000gp more but much handier)

Thanks in advance. This is my first attempt at item creation.