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Template Fu wrote:

... the dictionary in my 2010 word processor is calling the shots.

It didn’t like pedipalps (which I am sure should be ok). But for consistency, Office 2010 ate a point.

I'm sure that everyone appreciates the tremendous amount of effort you're putting into providing feedback, but it strikes me as unfair and somewhat ridiculous to ding an entry for spelling a word correctly. Your word processor should have an 'add word to dictionary' option, which you could use if you're going to rely on that dictionary as an authority.

(This is likely a side point that it would be best not to derail this thread with, but I would also hesitate to rely on a grammar checker in a word processor to identify passives correctly - I can't think of one that actually does that job accurately - but with an appropriately large grain of salt one might occasionally serve to identify weak or awkward writing, even if for the wrong reason)

Star Voter Season 6

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Steve Miller wrote:


Power Word Unzip wrote:
Also, speaking as a copy editor, some of your writing quirks raise flags as I read this.

I suspect that what you found quirky came from me trying to avoid 'to be' verbs. I eliminated all but few to see if it could be done, but some - I just couldn't get around.

I don't mean to sidetrack things (and I haven't gone through your writing in detail), but this is exactly why I rail against writing advice that emphasizes things like "avoid passive" or "avoid to be".

The verb 'to be' is a useful verb - it exists for a reason. Sure, it shouldn't be overused, and if used poorly does contribute to a feeling that writing is weak and not very exciting (which I think is really the issue that the judges want people to avoid). But if it's used well it won't even be noticed, whereas a sentence that awkwardly tries to avoid it stands out like a sore thumb.

I'm sorry that this issue might have tripped you up, but if you want to avoid avoiding them in the future, and instead master their use, I highly recommend this book:

Joseph Williams' Style

(avoid Strunk and White - they'll tell you to avoid passives but don't identify them correctly themselves - it's like taking medical advice from a doctor who calls morphine an antibiotic)

Star Voter Season 6

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Congratulations Mike! I see great things in your future - and luckily we all benefit from them too! :)

And commiserlations to the other top 3 (er, top 7) finishers, who will hopefully also have and take the opportunity to do great things.

Star Voter Season 6

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Clark Peterson wrote:

Wow, pretty small sample for this exit poll. Not sure you can count on its accuracy.... ;)

Of course, I know if you guys are right or not since I get to see the vote tallies but of course I cant tell you....muuuuhuuuhuhhuhuhhhahahahahaaaaaa!!!

Ah but I can guarantee you'll tell us eventually, and which is more plausible - that we finally broke you with our incessant questions and badgering, or that there was a plan already in place to announce the top four?

I think you don't have to be a supergenius to know it's the former. Bwahahaha.

Star Voter Season 6

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This is not so much about the items, but more a comment on organization (ok, maybe more of a cranky rant than a comment).

I'm really surprised by the number of people in the critique my item thread who either don't have the final submitted version of their item, or aren't sure if what they have is the final version.

Computer crashes and viruses are somewhat understandable, but that's why backups are important.

Editing in the submission box instead of on your final draft copy (and/or not transferring those changes to your final draft copy) is a bad idea, and is bound to leave you without the final version. It's just a recipe for confusion.

Simply not knowing if you have the final version or not? Really? You're essentially applying to be a professional game designer and you didn't keep track of what was a rough draft and what was final?

I don't know how you can expect to succeed as a professional without this basic level of organization.

There is simply no good reason for anyone not to have a copy the final version of any work that they do for hire or profit.

My mind is boggled.

Even if you didn't make the top 32, start building your portfolio with your best examples of finished, polished writing! Would you tell a potential client/boss that you entered the contest, and then show them a rough draft of your work? Or worse, tell them that you don't know if what you showed them is final or not? You'd never get hired.

(If I remember correctly, this was even mentioned last year by one of the judges)


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The 80s were bad news man. We had to game uphill in the snow, both ways! Dice were cast iron, and weighed 400 pounds each. I knew a guy who rolled a natural 20 once, but crushed his car in the process.

It was so bad, that if you tried to look up an obscure rule in the massive rulebooks, there was a real risk that you'd be eaten by a grue. Try explaining that to your friend's parents!

/good times


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deinol wrote:
Snorter wrote:
That's why I think the judges should be careful about using terms like auto-reject categories. 'Auto-reject' should be reserved for those things like late submission, word-count, that get your entry bounced out without appeal, and coin a new term, like 'Very Bad Ideas' for those things which the judges can, and do, sometimes ignore.
That's why I like to call them danger zones.

dammitsomuch - now I have that song stuck in my head...

/good idea though


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Readerbreeder wrote:
stardust wrote:
A paperback can be quickly dried in an oven...

I hope you don't ever put one in the broiler, if you're in a hurry. I hear after 451 degrees, things can get pretty dicey....

More on topic, I own a Kindle, and I love it. The only real drawbacks for me are a complete lack of resale value (no physical item to change hands) and an inability to loan to friends (same issue).

I've tried to sell some used physical books recently, and it's getting more and more difficult (it started getting harder about 8 years ago or so). If they're not very obscure/rare/antique/collectible titles, forget about it - they're worth essentially nothing for resale already.

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This may be coming too late in the competition to do the remaining contestants much good, but I though it may still be useful for future contestants. My goal here is to clarify advice on the use of passives, and thought maybe the thread could grow beyond that into something useful about good writing.

Spoiler:
The advice in question has often been given by Neil Spicer. I don't mean this at all as an attack on Mr. Spicer - I have tremendous respect for him as a game designer and a writer, and am gobsmacked at his massive efforts as an RPG Superstar judge. But his use of grammatical terms is liable to leave many confused. I hope this will be taken in the spirit of constructive disagreement that it is offered in.

There has been a lot of advice bandied about in the form of "avoid passive" and "you used too much passive voice; don't do that". Which is not necessarily to say that the sentences that elicited the advice were perfect, but that advice on its own does not provide much specific guidance as to how to proceed.

So first, what is a passive?

Simply, it is an auxiliary + a past participle.

My car was destroyed by an elephant. ('was' is an auxiliary; 'destroyed' is a past participle)

The auxiliary is frequently a form of 'to be,' but it does not have to be -

My car got destroyed by an elephant.

This is a perfectly good passive sentence, but does not use any form of the verb to be, anywhere. A rule to avoid 'to be' would not catch this sentence. To be honest though, I wouldn't use it in formal writing either.

Passives differ from actives in the focus of the action of the verb. In the passive sentences above, the sentences are about my car. My inert, rather lifeless car that is just sitting there being destroyed. It's not terribly engaging for a reader to be focused on things that are having things done to them. And this is a very good reason to avoid the passive - it feels passive and dull. Compare the active -

An elephant destroyed my car.

Much better! So why would you ever want to use a passive, when the active is so much more active? To put it differently, why do good writers use passives well, and how can I learn to use them better?

It comes down to focus and what your sentences are about vs what they should be about.

Which of these two sentences sounds better?

1. A black hole is created by the collapse of a dead star into a point perhaps no larger than a marble.

2. The collapse of a dead star into a point perhaps no larger than a marble creates a black hole.

Maybe you prefer the second - it is active, and avoids the passive used in the first.

Now consider them in the context of a short paragraph -

1. Some astonishing questions about the nature of the universe have been raised by scientists exploring the nature of black holes in space. A black hole is created by the collapse of a dead star into a point perhaps no larger than a marble. So much matter compressed into so little volume changes the fabric of space around it in profoundly puzzling ways.

2. Some astonishing questions about the nature of the universe have been raised by scientists exploring the nature of black holes in space. The collapse of a dead star into a point perhaps no larger than a marble creates a black hole. So much matter compressed into so little volume changes the fabric of space around it in profoundly puzzling ways.

Personally I find the second (with the active sentence) to be far more awkward. The ideas don't flow together well at all. In the first, the first sentence ends with mention of a black hole, which is immediately picked up in the second sentence. They work together. This is what good writing should strive for - not to abandon the passive, but to use it when it should be used.

(example borrowed from this book, link goes to Amazon: Williams: Style)

So, to return now to a related point - when is the verb 'to be' not passive? And why might it not be a good idea to lump it together with passive, and avoid them both?

The verb 'to be' is incredibly useful. It is used with adjectives, with nouns, and with verbs, with nary a hint of a passive in sight.

Which is better?
I am hungry. (be + adjective)
I hunger. (verb)

I don't know. Maybe it depends on context, but the second sounds far more pretentious to me. If it's a problem, there may be a different way to fix it than with this verb, but that still avoids the verb 'to be'.

What about this pair?
Darth Vader: "No. I am your father."
Darth Vader: "No. I fathered you."

I can't imagine any way to make the first sentence better - would it have been so powerful or become so iconic without the verb 'to be'?

I have just one last nit to pick, to distinguish the passive from the progressive. Both rely on 'to be' with verbs. Progressives have their use too, but often do create writing that is weak.

Passive:
I was eaten by a bear. (auxiliary + past participle)
Progressive:
I am eating a bear. (auxiliary + present participle)

Note that the forms of the verb are different, and to keep me ("I") as the subject, I had to change who was doing what to whom. Progressives don't focus on things, they focus on ongoing, not-yet-completed actions. Passives are done; the actions detailed by the verb are over, unless they are combined with the progressive, of course. But don't go there lightly ;)

I hope that by knowing what these grammatical forms are, an aspiring writer will more easily learn to master them, and become at least a better writer, if not a great writer.

Spoiler:
For what it's worth, I have a PhD in Linguistics, have studied the passive, and have published more than 20 or so papers professionally. I prefer for arguments to succeed or fail on their own merits, rather than from any appeal to authority, so usually don't mention details like this, but I wanted to clarify that I am not merely being a disagreeable curmudgeon. I've earned my curmudgity (and we should all have the right to invent words).


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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Plato's The Republic, on the other hand, I gave up after Book V, because, frankly, I don't care what Plato thinks. "Allegory of the cave" blah blah blah; everyone should only do one thing so that they can do it well, blah blah blah.
I begin to understand the reason for your simplistic political views -- sheer disinterest.
Well, I went back and re-started The Republic. I had originally been reading the Benjamin Jowett translation, but I switched over to the F.M. Cornford translation and it's been much less tedious. Cornford removes all the "I agree"s and "Yes"s that were putting me to sleep in the Jowett edition. Makes it much less of a dialogue, but easier to read.

I think Plato should have been translated more realistically -

Translating Greek Particles