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For a gestalt campaign, I am working on a gish that will eventually take levels in dragon disciple. I will not go too in depth with my build, but we are starting at level 3, and my plan is sorcerer 3 (crossblooded, draconian and abyssal)/ Lorewarden fighter 2, ranger 1.

Firstly, I am confused by the base saves. Do you just take the highest increase each level as in normal multiclassing, or do you just keep the best saves?

Also, I am confused about the extra spellcasting levels that come from DD. I am expecting to take levels in DD and sorcerer at the same time. Although I would not expect the levels to stack for spellcasting, my friend thought that they would. There is a similar problem with the levels of DD counting for levels of the Draconic bloodline. I guess this is something that the rules might not cover, because it's gestalt but does anyone have any idea how this works?


Greetings. My friend is starting a gestalt campaign. I am deciding between two interesting builds. We are starting at level 1, but knowing the DM, I expect to level up extremely quickly.

The first is the "Barbighter", or Barbarian Fighter. I am thinking of selecting the Invulnerable Rager, and Two Handed Fighter Archetypes. I would be an Orc for the bonus to strength, and use a falchion as my primary weapon. I would dump my mental stats (except for maybe Wis for Will saves).

The next is the "Barb#tch", or Barbarian Witch. I would select the Scarred Witch Doctor, and probably again the Invulnerable Rager archetypes to compensate for the lack of armor. I can still dump my mental stats with this build (Wis too this time because of the Witch's good Will saves).

I know that the first build would probably be a stronger character in general, more useful to the party, and more fun to play, but the idea of a full spellcaster with a fast BAB, a lot of hp, a d12 HD, and other useful front line combat abilities is very tempting to try out.

Which build should I choose? Are both of these even viable? Thank you!

Recently, I had an argument with a player in my gaming group about certain class features such as rogue talents and alchemist discoveries. He tried to argue that an alchemist can gain the 'extra discovery' feat at first Lvl when an alchemist would not have a discovery normally, and that the rogue can do the same with rogue talents.

He seems to think that when you select a class, you gain all of its class features, but they do not activate until you are at their required Lvl, and because of this, the prerequisite for the feats are met.

I disagree and think that you can only take the feats at second level or when you gain a discovery or rogue talent.

Can you take such feats at first level?

A certain player in my gaming group always tries to bend the rules in order to create the most overpowered PCs possible. We have finally convinced him to be a cleric, but he managed to find the Diabolist Prestige class.

He is in the process of making a level 5 cleric, 1 Diabolist because he can't seem to grasp the concept of playing a supporting character that does not deal a ton of damage. He is currently trying to get away with having a level 7 imp companion, because in the FAQ on the Diabolist page, it says that it increases the CL of his other class. The formula for imp level is Highest CL+ Diabolist level, so he thinks that the Diabolist level is counted twice.

I disagree and instead think that the Diabolist level increases separately and is only counted once. The only problem with this is that once he becomes a cleric 5, Diabolist 6 and higher, his Diabolist level will be accounted for twice, giving a level 12 imp at level 11. Surely this cannot be correct either.

How is the diabolist's imp level accounted for, and can he have a level 7 imp companion at 6th level?

Finally, if I am correct, and when your Diabolist level is your highest caster level, do you add it twice?

I am currently multiclassing as a monk/ninja in my friend's campaign. This build seems to be an effective build. Using Wisdom instead of Charisma for ki is nice, and using sneak attack on fury of blows is amazing. The two classes are very similar and stack nicely.

When I first heard of the new hybrid classes, I anticipated a monk/ninja or at least a monk/rogue to convert my character for a better build. I was angry when I did not see the build.

What other combinations have not been made, and why does this build not exist?!?!