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CorvusMask wrote: Dhamphirs aren't undead so pharasma wouldn't care and I haven't seen any lore text myself that would imply Pharasma or her church cares about them.
Thing about Pharasma is that she doesn't really care about how you live your life particularly(immortality is annoying, but basically fine because you are eventually going to die anyway. After all you can't escape Pharasma's judgement, reason why raise dead spells to delay your fate is allowed for same reason, your soul is still in its proper place in cycle of souls), its just undeath she cares about because that's when soul's place in cycle is corrupted. And dhamphirs aren't undead.
If Pharasmin cares about it, its their own thing and not supported by doctrine as far as I know
Actually, it says in the Blood of the Night player companion that the faithful (or church) of Pharasma are split. Half say let dhampirs be, half say kill them. I was just wondering about the position of Pharasma herself. But, like you said, Pharasma doesn't really care about that, so she'd be neutral on Dhampirs,like pretty much everything else.
Dhampirs are my favorite race, or one of my top 3, so I was just wondering on further lore.
Also, anyone know who to contact about starfinder? Dhampirs are strangely absent in starfinder as a playable race/heritage, and there are vampires (albeit very rare) in the starfinder setting so it would make sense there are SOME Dhampirs at least. Perhaps a woman was on the plane of shadow or somewhere with undead and was bitten/ violated and out came a dhampir.
Speaking on Pharasma, any idea on what her official stance on Dhampirs is? I understand her followers are officially split, some saying they're alive so leave them alone, others saying they're undead spawn so eliminate them. But I don't recall anything on Pharasma's view on it. Probably stays silent when asked, like she does on other topics, like what exactly happened to Aroden that he died.

Casmeron? Interesting! I've long wondered when they were going to release more in depth lore on Kalesh and Vudra. I've wanted to run a campaign the goes through those areas but material is limited.
That said, I've thought of something a couple weeks ago for drow/dark elves that could add a spin to them. (So they don't have to be shelved) A significant group of dark elves, individual or whole houses, that fled or were outcast from general drow society, had come across a massive locked gateway into a Vault of Orv. They stayed there for many years trying to open it but were unable to, and slowly turning to their stereotypical drow ways. Until one day, a group of Vudran mystics comprised mostly of monks, clerics, and psychics, led by a vision, came across the large group of outcast drow, as they were deep beneath north-central Vudra. They taught them self-control, discipline, and even balance. Then, after a year or so, the dark elves, led by the Vudran mystics, channeled their new abilities and managed to open the Vault of Orv, inside finding a demi-plane thats is like a miniature version of Golarion with a tiny sun in the middle encased in nigh indestructible crysta(similar to the inner earth in the Godzilla Vs. kong movie). Feeling that they had reached a form of enlightenment, the Mystics renamed the dark elves, calling them Deep Elves (and/or a vudran word with a similar meaning) , for they had found a deeper meaning, a deeper purpose, and deep enlightenment. The Mystics left, with a number remaining with the Deep Elves to help keep them from straying (and maybe love was forming with some) as the Deep Elves moved in and settled throughout the Vault.
What do you think? Though they obviously already have plans for Casmeron, it would be cool if they added something like this.

Fair point, and true that nephilim is/are apocryphal beings. However, not all offspring of the divine beings were called nephilim (or nephil for singular). Some had other names depending on which fallen celestial being was their father, like the Anakim, sons of Anak (sound familiar?). But it's been many years since I've read up on that, particularly since more studies, and continued restoration, are needed on the Dead Sea Scrolls, where most of the legends or terms come from. I'm into occultic (occult is another rather misunderstood term which means hidden or esoteric) Jewish mysticism but rather hard to know what to study as there's so much BS fluffery out there, especially with all the new age materials on shelves and sites.
I also like the term demi-devil or demi-demon (or demi-fiend?) used for tian description of teiflings in a certain Pathfinder novel. Seems to fit much more nicely. All in all, nephilim has negative connotations with it because of the history if the term, particularly since they were descended from fallen angels or celestials (which devils essentially are), so it could still fit teifling after reconsideration, but maybe not so much aasimars.
Maybe in a 2.0 Remaster Rules there'll be more appropriate terms?
That said, does WotC have ownership to certain words?
Doesn't make sense if so, kind of how a certain Mexican food restaurant couldn't lay claim to the Taco Tuesday idea, so Taco Bell, as well as other restaurants, took them to court last year and won in pretty much every state. Look it up, it's interesting. In fact, I think the same thing happened to McDonald's over the term 'Big Mac'. Of course, I'm no lawyer so I don't know if it could apply in the case of WotC. Of course, Paizo probably doesn't have the backing to take them to court, even if so, it's probably not worth it financially as Wotc is much more loaded, perhaps someday in the future.
Anyways, sidetracked again, Apsu the dragon of goodness and order; Dahak the dragon of evil and destructive anarchy; just needs one more, or so it seems, in my opinion. Though if not, how could the lore be changed or reworked if so?
Maybe Paizo should hold a contest where people come up with new lore, for Golarion or otherwise? Heck, I have a character origin/backstory that could fit as Golarion's version of Beauty and the Beast, if anyone wants to read it? 😁

Interesting. Some creatures do reproduce without a mate, so there doesn't have to be a mother for Dahak. Deities, full or otherwise , do have control over reality (maybe not as much as some like Monad), so reproduction, or it's possible equivalents such as cloning, is possible for them. An alternate creation story could be that Apsu created all dragons, but the first one, Dahak, became drunk with power, draining his siblings' power, rendering them as mortal dragons. But this led to him becoming insane and infecting certain dragons, turning them largely evil, and destroying everything he creates in his madness. Of course, there could be a female dragon deity out there, maybe a sister or daughter of Dahak who seeks to absorb all dragons and returning them to balance (she could be true neutral for 1e's sake), but Apsu sealed her away somewhere unknown. Just some more thoughts.
Coming up with ideas can be rather fun for me.
As to the remastered rules, I don't mind much about them, it'll take getting used to, but did aasimars and teiflings have to be named nephilim? Its a hebrew term that seems a bit overused and misunderstood in certain genres and I absolutely hate that hebrew term, and I'm jewish. I strongly feel something else should have been more appropriate, like celestial-kin and fiend-kin. But, that's just my 2 cents.
Anyways, any further thoughts on Apsu and Dahak? Like I said, maybe there could be a dragon deity that's an in-between?
If this thread is still open, I recommend renaming Tiamat into Drakaina, from Greek mythology. The first dragons could have been snakelike heads from Drakaina that were blessed by Apsu and became the metallic dragons. After the ordeal with Dahak, the waters rose, took on a more hydra/dragon-like form and named itself Drakaina. Maybe Drakaina has its snakelike heads detached and scouring the planes, searching for Apsu, which return to her body after a time when they don't find him, nor Dahak. Perhaps she seeks to absorb them both into herself for some reason, and that's why Dahak, nor his possible followers, do not reach out to her. Just an idea I thought to put out there though.
I'd like to see the Dhampir be made available. I was disappointed that they weren't in 1e. Though I understand why, as there aren't many vampires in space. Though I'm sure there are bound to be plenty in the shadow plane, so certainly possible for Dhampirs to exist. I also wish there was a race similar to the Zabrak from Star Wars. That would make for an interesting experience. Maybe have an optional list of possible mutations for one's character to create something truly unique?
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Zon-Shelyn. I'm not sure how to feel about this. I often like to play black-sheep type of characters who are looking for feelings of acceptance, either outwardly or inwardly, so they often gravitate to worship of Shelyn due to her focus on finding the beauty in everything. We'll have to wait until more information is released.
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