Kayden Al'Connor's page

Thanks for running it for us, Rizz.

Unexpected stuff on the homefront came up, that took up most of my free time today and will take up some of my free time for the next few days. Will still try to check and post daily.

"Muddy Paws is going to continue to investigate strange smells here while we go check on on Dhearic."

Kayden makes his way down the steps, and when he is 10 feet above the beach he jumps down. (or from the 12 foot tall edge of the rocks)

Acrobatics+22 makes him auto-succeed the DC 15 to avoid the first 10 feet of fall when he deliberate jumps down, so he does not taking falling damage when he jumps down from a height of 10 (19?) feet or less.

He then sprints towards where Dhearic went.

"We will look for Dhearic, Jasper. You get everyone above the high tide mark, which is that line there," Kayden points out the line on the rocks to Jasper. "I'd say it'll be about six to eight hours before high tide comes in next, though I am not sure how quickly the water will rise the six feet when it comes in, so ask the sailors as they will have more specifics on how quickly the tide will rise."

"The high tide line is halfway up the rocks, so there should be no saltwater at the top of the rocks."

The high tide line is 6 feet above the beach. I think the puddle we found 12 feet above the beach is a freshwater puddle. Is that correct, Rizz?

A different look of concern comes over Kayden's face, and he directs Jacosta's and Lazar's attention to the clear horizontal line that is etched into the rock about six feet above the black sand beach, "That line is from high tide. The people on the beach have to get to high ground before high tide comes in."

What should we roll for determining how long before the start of the next high tide cycle begins?

I was getting the working on maintenance Paizo redirected page before I went to sleep. I am about to go back to sleep...I blocked my view of the mistyped spoiler for Dhearic so did not read that.

Knowledge (geography): 1d20 + 13 ⇒ (13) + 13 = 26

Kayden gets a worried look on his face as he is discerning the best path to reach the top, he reaches out with his mind to speak with Muddy Paws,

When Jacosta whispers in his ear, Kayden, a look of fear and concern on his face, tells Jacosta, though the others can easily hear his shout, "We have to hurry!" Kayden picks up his pace to get to the top.

Double stride if needed to get to the top/closer to the top.

*strangely, not strangest

Kayden points towards the top of the tallest, strangest molded rock structures he and others are exploring, "That's where our four-legged friend is."

Kayden looks around for the best path to get to the top.

Perception: 1d20 + 19 ⇒ (10) + 19 = 29

"I do not have an axe either, though I do have a grappling hook and rope should we need or want to access any branches of trees we can not reach simply by standing or jumping."

Can Muddy Paws be seen from our vantage point? If not Kayden will continue to use his scent to track the wolf's trail to know which direction he head off from after tasting the fresh water.

Kayden looks around from their new vantage point to see if he can see anything else unusual (or mundane that has not been observed by anyone since the ship anchored).

Perception (scent) to pick up/not lose Muddy Paw's scent trail: 1d20 + 27 ⇒ (5) + 27 = 32

Perception to look for anything of note from new vantage point: 1d20 + 19 ⇒ (14) + 19 = 33

Kayden leads the way. When he gets to the the boulders, if he cannot see where Muddy Paws is he will use his (scent) nose to track the trail his wolf friend left.

Tracking by scent ignores the effects of surface conditions and poor visibility.

Perception +14: 1d20 + 14 ⇒ (17) + 14 = 31

Kayden's face briefly looks as if he bit into an unripe lemon, and repeats the same facial expression a few times over the course of a few minutes, then within a minute of the last time he made that expression he speaks, "It seems my furred friend has found some fresh water."

I added tokens for Kayden and Muddy Paws.

I shrunk the map by mistake while adjusting the size of the tokens. I made it bigger afterwards, but not sure what the scale was compared to our tokens.

"The wolf may well smell things we can't see, but I think the first thing we need is a source of fresh water."

"Which is why Muddy Paws ran staight to where that grove is. He thinks there will be mud by the pond that he can dip his paws into. The question remains if it is a freshwater pond or not. Unless those trees use saltwater for their roots, I am guessing we have a source of fresh water. Provided there are not any threats that lurk underneath that would make it dangerous to set up a base camp near it."

"As you wish."

"One wolf, two wolves, three wolves, four wolves,"...

Kayden, knowing it took a toll on Muddy Paws to be stuck in the cart for the past few weeks, and that he will see him again soon, turns to face Jocasta. "Ready. No worries I will use my right hand, not my left." he says with an attempt at giving a charming smile. "How will I know if you get stuck? I do not want to give you a tap too soon or too late."

"I'll do my best to make sure it is non-concussion knockout punch."

i am going to have to sit down and reread the wolfbrother rules again.

I used Geoff Hall's wolfbrother madness system, as he is the author of the wolfbrother feats (so figured his wolfbrother madness system makes the most sense to use with the wolfbrother feats he created to replace the wolfbrother prestige class).

After Cahlden asks Dhearic to scout, Kayden asks his new companions, "Are the three of you good with us checking out that grove of willows and oaks first to see if there is nothing that would make that seemingly ideal location for a base camp unsuitable to do so?"

Muddy Paws, still in the cart, puts his front paws on the side railing and looks over to the grove of trees, and telepathically speaks to Kayden, <"That pond will have mud. I will meet you there."> Muddy Paws jumps out of the cart and starts sprinting past some of the people who have already made it to shore.

"Muddy Paws, wait!!" Kayden yells after his friend, but the wolf is too fast and within seconds disappears into the tall grass, heading in the direction of the grove.

Kayden, thinking quickly calls out, "Calhden, he's a friend. Do not have anyone hurt him. He can help us getting a better idea of what we might be up against on this island." Small beads of fear sweat appear on Kayden's brow, worried that some of the others who came here on the ship might view his four-legged friend as a threat.

to answer your original question: go with aversion. it makes sense given your backstory having you retreat to the border lands. Its less populated than most other kingdoms so itd be easy for your character to just be in the wilderness and veg.

Cool, I was thinking that the wolf aspect and aversion, and not the paranoia makes sense given his back story (he conquered the paranoia madness effects during his month of madness - with help from his uncle and friends).

I could have went with only telepathically communicating with wolves once per day during his month of madness...but communicating with Muddy Paws during dawn/waking up and dusk/making camp made more sense story-wise.

Some stories are so good they can make you go mad. :P

With your permission, based on your answer....

So working with he is still susceptible to aversion but not to paranoia, that would make his madness rating 16 (any lower and he has no madness triggers, and any higher paranoia is a possible madness effect) He has a 50% chance of failing the DC 16 Will save, with 50% chance for either wolf aspect or aversion when he fails the save.

Madness 9 to 15: nothing triggers a wolfbrother madness symptom

Madness 16: DC 16 Will save (50% he failed the save; 50% wolf aspect, 50% aversion)

Madness 17: DC 17 Will save (55% he failed, 45% wolf aspect, 50% aversion, 5% paranoia)

Turning the above into roleplay ideas; Kayden tends to need a few minutes to cool off after a fight.

Failing the Will save and getting the wolf aspect result makes him fight more like a wolf (without entering wolf rage).

Failing the Will save and getting the aversion result, Kayden forces himself to enter into wolf rage (that took a fair bit of training in the borderlands to develop this tactic) so he does not leave his friends/companions (and he has memory flashes of when he left his uncle and friends to fight trollocs without him in the borderlands, which nearly cost one of them their lives), but after the combat is over, being so close to other humans (his companions) makes the flashbacks worse, and he sprints away.

While raging, he fights like a wolf protecting its pack (his allies), as he is determined to take out the threats before they can take out members of his pack. His allies getting wounded during the fight causes his flashbacks to intensify, seeing his fellow wolves getting slaughtered by trollocs at the ancestral wolf burial mound.

When the combat ends, and his wolf rage subsides, being so close to his allies is too strong a reminder of how his past failures nearly cost his friend his life...and needs to get away so there are no humans (nor human trappings such as buildings) visible to him...and part of his staving of the flashbacks is subsconsciosly manifesting his wolf aspect behaviour.

Does the above sound good to you?

ran out of timer editing...

This is working with starting with the level that the wolfbrother feat is gained, a character gains 1d6 madness per level, plus an additional 1d6 madness for gaining the Heightened Senses feat, plus and additional 1d6 madness for gaining the Wolfdream feat; and gaining the Acceptance of Fate feat prevents gaining madness for gaining additonal levels, working with a wolfbrother being able to gain one of the two bonus feats every two levels above the level they gained the Wolfbrother feat at.

mininum:

[(4d6 - 10) + 1d6] - 20 =
[(4-10) + 1] - 20 =
[(-6 => 0) + 1] - 20 =
[(0) + 1] - 20 =
[1] - 20 = -19 ==> 0

maximum:

[(4d6 - 10) + 1d6] - 20 =
[(24 - 10) + 6] - 20 =
[(14) + 6] - 20 =
[20] - 20 = 0

I take it the previous posts clarified for you why Kayden's madness rating at 10th level is 3d6+6 (using the UtDB wolfbrother feats and madness point system).

in the wheel of time rpg are wolfbrothers considered channelers for gaining 1d6 madness each level that is not a level in the wolfbrother prestige class?

Male channelers (not wolfbrothers) gain 1d6 madness per character level. Wolfbrothers only gain 1d6 madness for each level they have in the wolfbrother prestige class.

As I mentioned in the previous post, the UtDB wolfbrother feats and madness system can cause more madness than the baseline rules using the wolfbrother prestige class.

If you want to incorporate an automatic 1d6 madness per character level using the UtDB wolfbrother system, I would suggest removing the automatic gaining a point of madness for telepathically communicating with wolves or entering a wolf rage, and starting with the character level the character gained the wolfbrother feat (not the latent wolfbrother feat, as the latent wolfbrother feat does not cause madness), add 1d6 madness per character level, starting with the character level the character gained the wolfbrother feat. The bonus feats simply requiring having a madness rating of 10 to gain can be gained per three levels (which will average roll of 3d6 madness for those three levels being 10.5), which would still increase the madness rating by 1d6 for gaining those bonus feats.

If you like the above suggestion....

Kayden would have:

5th level: 1d6
6th level: 2d6
7th level: [3d6 +1d6 (Heightened Senses bonus feat)] - 10 (Acceptance of Fate wolfbrother feat)
8th level: (4d6 - 10) + 1d6
9th level: [(4d6-10) + 2d6 + 1d6 (Wolfdream bonus feat)] - 20 (Mental Stability feat)
10th level: {[(4d6-10) + 3d6] - 20} + 1d6

Using the above suggested method Kayden's final madness score would be one of the following:

minimum possible madness rating at 10th level would be: 1d6

maximum possibile madness rating at 10th level would be: 12 +1d6

With the above suggested method the (minimum) & maximum madness rating Kayden might have had at each of the levels would have been:

5th level: (1) 6
6th level: (2) 12
7th level: (0) 14
8th level: (1) 20 (or 14 maximum working with Acceptance of Fate feat prevents gaining additional madness for being a wolfbrother)
9th level: (0) 12 (or 0 maximum working with Acceptance of Fate feat prevents gaining additional madness for being a wolfbrother)
10th level: (1) 18 (or 0 maximum working with Acceptance of Fate feat prevents gaining additional madness for being a wolfbrother)

To account for gaining Heightened Senses and Wolfdream as bonus feats...maybe every two levels after a character gains the Wolfbrother feat, he can gain one of those two feats as a bonus feat (gaining the normal +1d6 madness for acquiring them as normal).

So if you like the suggestions for, and if Acceptance of Fate prevents gaining additonal madness for gaining levels....

5th level: total 1d6 madness
6th level: total 2d6 madness
7th level: total 3d6 madness + 1d6 madness (Heightened Senses as bonus feat) - 10 (Acceptance of Fate feat) = total madness of 4d6-10.
8th level: total 4d6-10 madness
9th level: total 4d6-10 madness +1d6 madness (Wolfdream as bonus feat) - 20 (mental stability feat) = total madness [(4d6-10) +1d6] - 20
10th level: total madness = [(4d6 - 10) + 1d6] - 20

Which would result in Kayden's madness rating at 10th level being:

mininum: [(4d6 - 10) + 1d6] - 20 = [(4-10) + 1] - 20 = [(-6 => 0) + 1] - 20 = [(0) + 1] - 20 = [1] - 20 = -19 ==> 0

maximum: [(4d6 - 10) + 1d6] - 20 = [(24 - 10) + 1d6] - 20 = [(14) + 6 - 10] - 20 = [20] - 20 = 0

You said to use the wolfbrother feats from UtDB instead of the wolfbrother prestige class. The wolfbrother prestige class causes 1d6 madness per level of the prestige class. I think you were getting 1d6/level using a channeling base class. Kayden's woodsman, dai'dore and wanderer class levels did not cause him to gain madness. (Unless ALL classes in WoT gain madness per class level, and some cause additional madness per level).

There is no mention of wolfbrother madness in UtDB gaining additional madness for leveling up, but rather specific things that automatically cause a wolfbrother to gain a point of madness.

I used the wolfbrother feats and madness sections from UtDB.

Latent Wolfbrother feat (which he gained at 3rd level): no madness gained.

Wolfbrother feat (which he gained at 5th level): 1d6 madness gained. In addition to the intial 1d6 madness gained, a wolfbrother gains 1 point of madness each time they telepathically communicate with wolves or enter a wolf rage. For every 10 points of madness gained this way they gain the Heightened Senses feat or Wolfdream feat as a bonus feat.

I was working with him telepathically communicating with wolves twice a day (once in the morning and once in evening) and entering wolf rage once per day. Using one encounter against trollocs each day (of challenging difficulty). The encounters were my guideline to how many days passed before Kayden and the NPCs leveled up.

When he gained 10 extra points of madness via entering wolf rage and telepathically communicating with wolves (for total of 1d6+10) he gained the Heightened Senses wolfbrother feat as a bonus feat. The Heightened Senses feat causes a wolfbrother to gain an additional 1d6 points of madness (running total of 2d6+10).

When Kayden gained another 10 points of madness from telepathically communicating with wolves and entering wolf rage (madness total 2d6+20) he gained Wolfdream as a bonus feat. The Wolfdream feat causes a wolfbrother to gain an addtional 1d6 points of madness. (madness total of 3d6+20).

Kayden continued to gain more points of madness each day for entering wolf rage and telepathically communicating with wolves until he reached level 7. Before he reached level 7 he gained an additonal 16 points of madness (for madness total of 3d6+36). At 7th level he gained the Accepted Fate wolfbrother feat, which prevents a wolfbrother from gaining additional points of madness for entering wolf rage or telepathically communicating with wolves. The Acceptance of Fate feat also removes the need to make a Will save to resist entering wolf rage during combat (the wolfbrother can choose to enter wolf rage at any time during combat, or to not enter it at all). The Acceptance of Fate feat also reduces the wolfbrother's madness rating by 10 (making Kayden's madness total 3d6+26.

Kayden no longer gained points of madness for entering wolf rage or telepathically communicating with wolves.

When Kayden leveled up to 9th level, he gained the Mental Stability feat, which reduced his madness rating by 20 points (for a final madness total of 3d6+6).

Using the WoT (not UtDB) had Kayden using the prestige class route, he would not have 10d6 madness but rather 1d6 madness per level of the wolfbrother prestige class (not including reduction to his madness rating for feats that reduce it).

It looks like UtDB simulated gaining additional madness was from the main two activities of telepathically communicating with wolves and entering wolf rage automatically increasing a wolfbrother's madness rating by 1 until they have gained the Acceptance of Fate feat; as well as gaining an additional (secret) 1d6 madness points for gaining one of the two wolfbrother feats that cause that random madness rating increase.

The UtDB wolfbrother madness system can cause more madness than the wolfbrother prestige class can.

Kayden gained 3d6+36 madness. That is the equivalent of 3 levels of the wolfbrother prestige class (for the 3d6) and a minimum of 6 more levels of the wolfbrother prestige class (for the extra 36 madness points Kayden gained, and that is if the random 1d6 was maxed out for six levels). Kayden had gained enough madness that would make him have a minimum of 9 levels of the wolfbrother prestige class, which he would not have been able to take until level 6 (and only have been able to have 5 levels of the prestige class for being a 10th level character) if we were using the wolfbrother prestige class (and would have made him have a madness rating of 5d6 (before reducing it for feats that reduce madness rating).

Apologies for the repetitiveness. I am falling asleep but wanted to give you clarification regarding Kayden's madness score before drifting off.

Where in the book does it say a character that gains the wolfbrother prestige class gains retroactive madness for class levels they had before gaining the wolfbrother prestige class? The wolfbrother prestige class clearly states they gain an additional 1d6 madness for additional levels in the wolfbrother prestige class (not for gaining levels in other classes).

Had he went the wolfbrother prestige route, at 9th level his madness rating would have been (4d6-20) + 1d6 (with mental stability feat at 9th level) or [(2d6-10)+2d6-20]+1d6 (at 7th level for Acceptance of Fate; Mental Stability at 9th level) for a total madness rating at 10th level (with 5 levels of the wolfbrother prestige class) being {[(2d6-10) + (2d6)] - 20} +1d6. (which would work out to no madness at 9th level and the 1d6 madness he gained for the 5th level of wolfbrother prestige class at 10th character level being his total madness rating of 1d6 at 10th level.

With only Mental Stability at 9th character level...

[(4d6) - 20] + 1d6 = (-16/0 to 4) + 1d6 madness at 10th level (with 5 levels of the wolfbrother prestige class) with total madness rating of 1d6 + (4d6-20) with the 0 being the minimum value in the brackets; which would be a grand total of 1d6 or 1d6+1 or 1d6+2 or 1d6+3 or 1d6+4 for Kayden's madness rating with 5 levels of the wolfbrother prestige class; which would have made Kayden's final madness score be as low as 1 and no higher than 10 (1d6+0 to 1d6+4).

As Kayden soothes Prancer's and the other riding and pack animals' agitation for being on a smaller and more turbulent boat, he smiles as Lazar moves over to his cart to talk to Muddy Paws and offer him a treat.

Kayden hears the howl of wolves coming from the island, which he thinks are coming from somewhere a few miles inland, more to the left of where the boats are landing on the beach, as opposed to coming from somewhere along a direct beeline from the boats' landing area to the mountains in the distance. As much as he feels the urge to reach out to speak to them with his mind, he restrains himself, wanting to wait until Jacosta declares she can use her weaves without negative repercussions.

What catches Kayden's eyes is a small grove of oak and weeping willow trees a few miles from shore in the direction he thinks he heard the wolves howl from.

"That grove of trees over there might be a good place to set up a base camp."

There is a large pond by the small grove of trees. "Based on the proximity to the trees, that is a probably a freshwater pond."

Would Kayden have seen smoking mountains during his travels in the borderlands?

@Lazar: You good with being in the same boat with Kayden and a number of animals, which includes Kayden's horse, Prancer, Kayden's cart and Lazar's mule, Aleki?

@Dhearic & Jacosta: You want to be in the same boat as Kayden and some of the animals?

@Rizzen

Question: Which, if any, of the following wolfbrother madness symptoms has Kayden experienced in the past decade (after he gained both the Acceptance of Fate and Mental Stability feats)?: wolf aspect, aversion, paranoia

I have the wolf madness triggers and symptoms near the top of Kayden's profile.

It has been a decade since Kayden had his month of madness in the borderlands. He should have a pretty decent idea of how often he suffers a wolfbrother madness symptom when he gets injured (or if getting injured no longer puts him at risk of triggering a madness effect (if his madness rating is no higher than 15).

His madness score is 3d6+6 (-30 applied from the Acceptance of Fate and Mental stability feats with).

"Once we have access to fresh game, and I no longer have to ration as strictly as I have been for the past few weeks, I shall be back to my usual healthy appearance soon enough. Finding a canopy to hang my hammock up underneath will surely help as well."

Kayden runs his right hand through his hair, to sweep it back some from his face, "Should anyone see any wolf tracks, let me know. Where wolves are, there is sure to be game to be found. Let's leave the wolves be though, as they serve our purposes better that way, so they can continue to take down some of the predators that otherwise might become a threat to us."

Kayden looks around to see if anyone nearby is listening to the conversation the four of them are having, and seeing that no one is actively paying attention to them, he lowers his voice so only the three of them can hear, "That is wolf tracks that are not those of my friend." Kayden looks at Lazar as he continues to whisper, "You are not the only one with a senstive nose, though mine cannot distinguish if someone is evil, it helps with tracking quarry." waiting to see if any of the three of them give any indication that they know about wolfbrothers.

Kayden assumes his normal speaking volume, "I am sure Prancer and Aleki will get along well. I can teach you how to properly ride a horse if you like, Lazar."

Kayden then asks Jacosta and Dhearic, "Did either of you bring any mounts or pack animals onto the ship?"

As Kayden has been (one of how many?) stablehands tending to the mounts and pack animals, your mounts and pack animals have probably already become accustomed to Kayden's presence.

@GM: As there is no game crunch that automatically increases the DC of Hunch when used assess whether an Aes Sedai is trustworthy or not, it is the GM's discretion to determine how much harder it is to assess an Aes Sedai. As the Aes Sedai Presence class feauture grants them a +4 competence bonus on Intimidation checks, I would suggest a +4 DC increase to Sense Motive checks against them.

So that is 'trustworthy' he senses regarding Jocasta? Hard to tell with the 'might secretly be a Darkfriend'. Working with the suggestion of the +4 adjustment to Sense Motive (hunch) checks as part of the Aes Sedai Presence class feature, Kayden does not get a definitive sense regarding Jacosta's trustworthiness.

The main purpose for Kayden wanting to know if each of your characters are trustworthy or not is if he can trust you with knowledge of his wolf companion (and that you know Muddy Paws is an ally of Kayden's and not a threat to the people of the boat - as long as they do not become threats to Kayden, his allies or innocents).

Lazar's comment about having a sensitive nose prompts Kayden to think Your senstive nose does not know how truly awful the stench on this boat is. Kayden covers his mouth briefly with his gauntlet-covered hand and forearm, to focus in on the scent of the metal to try to offset the stench of the animals and humans below deck with him, then lowers his arm to speak.

"It will be good to be able to take deep breaths of actual fresh air when we get ashore, that is not full of the stench this heat has caused on the ship." Kayden turns his focus to Lazar, "We should not need to kill your mule. What's her name? I have a horse and cart that can help share the work with your mule for transporting our gear," Kayden tells Lazar, "That is if you would like to work as a small group as we explore and investigate the land. I am skilled tracker so if there is game to be found I should be able to track and find us some sustenance."

Kayden then turns his focus to Dhearic, "Would you like to form up into a small group as well?"

Kayden attempts to assess if each of them is trustworthy or untrustworthy as he extends his right arm to shake their hands.

Sense Motive (DC 20 hunch) to determine if he senses Jacosta is trustworty or untrustworthy: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (7) + 16 = 23

Sense Motive (DC 20 hunch) to determine if he senses Lazar is trustworthy or untrustworthy: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (11) + 16 = 27

Sense Motive (DC 20 hunch) to determine if he senses Dhearic is trustworthy or untrustworthy: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (16) + 16 = 32

Each of you, please let me know if your character is a trustworthy or untrustworthy individivual.

"Apologies. I failed to introduce myself. I am Kayden Al'Connor." Kayden flexes the fingers of his left hand, which is covered by a masterpiece gauntlet that was forged from an uncommon metal to resemble a paw of a large wolf, then extends his right arm towards Jocasta for handshake, then Lazar and Dhaeric; his golden eyes quite noticeable from being this close to the three of them.

"Where do you think might be the best places to look for signs of what might be interfering with channeling?" he asks the three of them.

Kayden finishes up his current duties to calm the horses in the stables section of the ship, then goes to his canvas-covered cart by his horse, Prancer, and slides his hand underneath the canvas while others are busy with their conversations, containing some of his meat rations. His wolf companion, who was a young wolf when they first met in the borderlands a decade ago while so many were fighting at Tarmon Gai'don, takes the proffered meat and savors it as he lets the flavor fill his mouth. Kayden gently places his hand on one of Muddy Paws' paws, the mud had dried up within the first few days since boarding the ship, which Kayden used some of the water set aside for the horses to clean his friend's paws to not risk them getting infected by having dry mud remain on them before Muddy Paws had a chance to live up to his name again once they reached land. Kayden, having not risked attempting his wolfspeech since the order of no channeling was put forth on the ship, whispers "We have spotted land. You will be able to run again soon, my friend." Muddy Paws, now an elder wolf, probably only has a few more years of life left, barring injury, disease or poison.

Kayden then makes his way to where he heard Ansred make a snarky remark.

He looks the woman in white in her eyes and asks, "Do you think what caused the windfinder's death could also be part of the land we will be making our landing at?" Although he is not quite thirty, his sharing his rations on the sly with his non-horse companion has made him appear to be slightly malnourished.

Hero Forge mini of Kayden

Hero Forge mini of Muddy Paws

Hero Forge mini of Kayden with Muddy Paws

Oops. I missed the 4,000 gold ring in your example.

@GM: Is the following gear approved?

Free from Midlander background: light horse ("Prancer"), healer's kit

gc = gold crown

@GM: Kayden's background story had Splasher telling Muddy Paws to leave the Borderlands and stay near to Metal Paw (Kayden, whose initial wolf name was Dusty Horse, before the wolves told him the gauntlet was now his). Did Muddy Paws board the ship with Kayden?

Thanks for the invitation.

Also, I did not purchase anything beyond basic starting items. Should we have magic items by this point? How much gold should I have in items?

We have 150 gold crowns (which equates to 1500 plantinum pieces from standard PF games) to purchase gear, which can include masterwork and masterpiece itmes, but not powerwrought items with the 150 gold crowns.

PF 1 copper piece = 1 WoT copper penny
PF 1 silver piece = 1 Wot silver penny
PF 1 gold piece = 1 WoT silver mark
PF 1 plantinum piece = 1 WoT gold crown

* *

On top of the 150 gold crowns for non-magical gear, our GM has also given us...

@GM: please clarify total magic item budget we have, please.

for game mechanics:

Ter'angreal dont have a specific value. but, depending on what your wanting to have, we can say that you have found one on your travels.
on the back end, for game balance, what we can do is use the 10 level treasure allotment from PE1, which is 62,000. we say that 60% of that can be used for ter'angreal creation. 37,000 gp value. then, using that as a marker, we can look through the pf1e wonderous magical items, and you can either pick an object or objects that total up to the gp value. Or, you can build your own object.

for example

starting gold value: 32,000
+3 power wrought sword -18,000
+1 keen -2,000
+2 advancing -8,000
total: 28,000
left over: 4,000

ring of mingor weave resistance (taken from ring of counterspell) 4,000gp

@GM: Do we have 37,000 gold or 32,000 gold to work with for determining our magic items?

Kayden Al'Connor wrote:

Based on the example you gave, we track the cost the individual armor/shield/weapon special properties separately, and do not use the total effective bonus to determine the overall cost of the item?

For example, using the standard PF1e item creation rules, a +3 advancing keen weapon would have a cost of 72,000 gold (excluding masterwork weapon cost) since it has an cumulative +6 bonus (+3 enhancement, +3 worth of special weapon properties)

Looking for clarification that you are intentionally ignoring the normal 'add total bonuses first, then figure out magic weapon cost' or if you do want us to use the standard magic item value formula for adding special properties to armor (bracers), shields and weapons.

For example, using Kayden's gauntlet (using a base +1 enhancement weapon for the following example):

+1 heartseeking myrddraalbane quenching gauntlet (total effective +4 bonus), for total of 32,000 gold by standard magic item creation rules.

Using method you used in your example:

+1 powerwrought weapon (2,000 gold)
heartseeker (+1 power) (2,000 gold)
myrddraalbane (+1 power) (2,000 gold)
quenching (+1 power) (2,000 gold)

Total 8,000 gold (instead of 32,000 gold).

thought about it. stick with pathfinders rules that you described/defined.

that makes a lot more sense.

I will be retweaking my profile to get combat info underneath my profile name when I post. Would you like combat summaries from us as well?

ping'd

Thanks for the invite. :)

for example

starting gold value: 32,000
+3 power wrought sword -18,000
+1 keen -2,000
+2 advancing -8,000
total: 28,000
left over: 4,000

ring of mingor weave resistance (taken from ring of counterspell) 4,000gp

Based on the example you gave, we track the cost the individual armor/shield/weapon special properties separately, and do not use the total effective bonus to determine the overall cost of the item?

For example, using the standard PF1e item creation rules, a +3 advancing keen weapon would have a cost of 72,000 gold (excluding masterwork weapon cost) since it has an cumulative +6 bonus (+3 enhancement, +3 worth of special weapon properties)

Looking for clarification that you are intentionally ignoring the normal 'add total bonuses first, then figure out magic weapon cost' or if you do want us to use the standard magic item value formula for adding special properties to armor (bracers), shields and weapons.

For example, using Kayden's gauntlet (using a base +1 enhancement weapon for the following example):

+1 heartseeking myrddraalbane quenching gauntlet (total effective +4 bonus), for total of 32,000 gold by standard magic item creation rules.

Using method you used in your example:

+1 powerwrought weapon (2,000 gold)
heartseeker (+1 power) (2,000 gold)
myrddraalbane (+1 power) (2,000 gold)
quenching (+1 power) (2,000 gold)

Total 8,000 gold (instead of 32,000 gold).

Hope you feel better soon.

My plans also got delayed due to feeling ill. Will try to get the gear and level 10 crunch up and double-checked Wednesday night.

I'll be adding Kayden's gear and level 10 crunch to his profile over the weekend.

Question For the magic items we requested, is that working with us not spending some of our 150 gold crowns to afford them or are our magic item requests on top of the 150 gold crowns we have to spend?

Hope you feel better soon.

Kayden Al'Connor wrote:

Thank you. Sticking with unarmed strike for the improved weapon finesse class feature, as it is a core part of the character concept.

Question: Is it a case by case decision by you for WoT classes that grant a WoT feat whether we get the WoT version of the feat or the Pathfinder version of the feat?

so ive thought about it.

im going to say that if there is a feat that can be found both in the WOTrpg or the Pathfinder system, the pathfinder system will take precedence.

Thanks for that clarification for WoT class-granted feats.

Looping back around to my orginal question then. Since the Dai'Dore WoT Improved Weapon Finesse class feature now grants the PF Weapon Finesse feat, do all Dai'dore characters with that class feature also choose the quarterstaff or a single one-handed weapon (which weapon finesse typically does not apply to) that they can make use of weapon finesse with for the Improved part of Improved Weapon Finesse class feature?

If yes, would you allow improvised (club) weapon as a viable option?

Kayden's month of madness in the wilds of the borderlands**spoiler omitted**

Caught a number tracking mistake for his madness rating on Day 10. His madness rating is 1 higher than stated in the above post, starting with the fight with the trollocs on Day 10. I am updating his profile with the correct numbers and changing the average 1d6 results to 1d6, 2d6 and 3d6 for easier tracking for you.

His final madness rating after leaving the borderlands was 3d6+6.

Kayden Al'Connor wrote:

Question For the Dai'Dore class feature Improved Weapon Finesse, do we only get it for one weapon or do we get the Pathfinder Weapon Finesse feat that applies to all typical weapon finesse weapons and a one additional weapon [quarterstaff or a one-handed weapon] that weapon finesse typically does not apply to?

For Wheel of time, itll only apply to one chosen weapon. its basically giving a character the ability to choose a weapon that is not a light weapon, say for example a smiths hammer, and use dexterity instead of strength for attacks.

Thank you. Sticking with unarmed strike for the improved weapon finesse class feature, as it is a core part of the character concept.

Question: Is it a case by case decision by you for WoT classes that grant a WoT feat whether we get the WoT version of the feat or the Pathfinder version of the feat?

I had asked since for regular feat selection we use the Pathfinder feat versions so was not sure if WoT class features that give the WoT version of the feat if we use the WoT feat version or the Pathfinder version.

Had you ruled it granted the PF version of Weapon Finesse with the the ability to add a single weapon that normally is not applied I was going to ask if you would allow improvised club weapons, and if not than the club. Not that he typically uses a club, but if he rages out he might grab a nearby object to use quite effectively as a club.

Question For the Dai'Dore class feature Improved Weapon Finesse, do we only get it for one weapon or do we get the Pathfinder Weapon Finesse feat that applies to all typical weapon finesse weapons and a one additional weapon [quarterstaff or a one-handed weapon] that weapon finesse typically does not apply to?

Questions Are all Knowledge skills class skills for Wanderers? If not, would I be correct in deducing that the wanderer has Knowledge (geography) as a class skill?

The WoT flipbook I am using lists Knowledge (varies) as part of the Wanderer's class skill list. Does the WoT book use Knowledge (varies) as a class skill to represent Knowledge (all) as class skills?

Question: Which version of Madness for Wolfbrother are you using? The WoT version, Randy Madden's version or Geoff Hall's version? I want to include how his madness affected him before he started to regain his lost sanity back (via the Acceptance of Fate and Mental Stability feats), and want it to match up with the wolfbrother madness version you are using.

I had a change of plans for tonight so probably will not have Kayden fully completed until sometime this weekend.

Updated Hero Forge mini of Kayden

Hero Forge mini of Kayden

Kayden found his masterpiece gauntlet while adventuring in the borderlands with his uncle. He found it as a result of some wolves leading him to an area that had been overgrown for decades (possibly centuries?); the knowledge of the location passing through many generations of wolves of the surrounding area.

The masterpiece gauntlet was crafted with the appearance of a wolf paw covering the backside of the gauntlet.

Would it be possible that the gauntlet was forged as a weapon against shadowspawn (myrddraal)?

I have selected three +1 weapon properties that fit that theme:

Bane (myrddraal)
Ghost Touch
Heartseeker

I have spent a bit under half the 150 gc on gear, including the masterpiece gauntlet.