CXM wrote:Rules Artificer wrote:
Quoted from myself in another thread:
As a means of tanking that doesn't involve Aggro mechanics, Retributive Strike does a good job. Enemies don't want a free hit on them (that comes with a debuff), so they hit the Paladin instead.(...)
I would think anything that targets AC/TAC counts as hit, ranged attack or no. Paladins can not be done as Gunladins or even effective Shootladins as of right now - the way is melee, melee is the way.
And you do want to never use it, but since it is subject to the Multiple Attack Penalty, in my group the Paladin almost always tried to hit with a -12 to the roll - even with the proficiency bonuses, that makes it almost impossible to hit, and you can only ever attempt it ONCE per turn. This makes it laughable as a tanking tool, unless the GM humors you.
...You're wrong on the MAP issue.
Attacks outside your turn are not affected by MAP unless they specifically say so (I think only ready action does so). Neither for you, nor your allies.
MULTIPLE ATTACK PENALTY
If you attack more than once on the same turn, your
attacks after the first take a penalty called a multiple
attack penalty. Your second attack takes a –5 penalty, and
any subsequent attacks take a –10 penalty. This penalty is
untyped and is cumulative with all other penalties.
The penalty doesn’t apply to attacks you take when it
isn’t your turn (such as attacks made as part of a reaction),
though these attacks often have their own penalty. You
can choose a weapon with the agile trait to reduce your
multiple attack penalty (see page 182).
So, retribution is at -2,not -12,making it way better than a 2nd attack.
Somebody please explain to me why this obscure rule is to be found somewhere, is not directly referenced in any way in AOO feats (but they are mentioned as not suffering from MAP), and why if AOOs mention not being subject to MAP, the Retributive Strike makes no such distinction.
The lack of any reference that it doesn't apply and such references present two pages later in AOO feat made the GM rule in this way (most people don't remember every rule ever at the top of their head)...