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Thanks guys, these answers made him understand it better now.

You are correct.

They count as two attacks for purposes of MAP, but the MAP always increases AFTER you make the attack (unless specified otherwise).

So basically it's Vicious Swing at +0 and then you immediately go to -10 for the next attack.

Thanks, I felt that I was right, as it would make no sense to do a skill with an immediate penalty.

Hi there,

I am currently discussing with my GM the wording of these skills, where it states

"This counts as two attacks when calculating your multiple attack penalty."

My GM is saying that if I use one of those attacks on my first attack, they get a -5 penalty, because they count as attack 1 and attack 2 as per the wording.

My interpretation is that there is no penalty roll when I use them, but if I decide to attack afterwards, the penalty is a -10, since that would be a technical 3rd attack.

Can someone let me know which interpretation is correct?

Thanks