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MendedWall12 wrote:
isn't the intention of titan mauler that they can wield those weapons.

It was, but it got changed after submission by the developers to the current state.

Grick, you've posted multiple times about this "change" after its submission, but I've never seen any evidence anywhere that states or even implies that this rule was changed. There are statements and implications, however, that this was the original wording from the developer who neglected to consider the rules already in place for using oversized weapons. If you have access to information the rest of us don't, can you please enlighten us?

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Mapleswitch wrote:
some of us are new to the message boards and have not read an umpteen number of posts about this topic Baridal

Okay, fair enough, so there are people out there who will choose to spend their time doing something other than research rules. With few exceptions, nobody will research something that doesn't directly affect them. I'll save you all the time of having to type the question into your little search box and just link a few of the other discussions on the topic before without garnering a response from a legitimate source.

Doing it wrong
What was the developer's opinion?
Jason Nelson's response to his RAI
No, you actually can't wield it
Not working as intended
Broken archetype
Wrong weapon size
No you actually can't do 12D8

So, merely 8 off the top options with literally hundreds of posts and FAQ responses all regarding the Titan Mauler's Massive Weapons class ability, NOT the Jotungrip ability. I can certainly insert more links for you if searching on your own is an impossibility.

All I'm looking for is some FAQ hits on my original clearly written(or so I thought) post in the hopes that someone will either fix this ability for the Titan Mauler archetype, or remove it. As it stands it's kind of stupid, nobody wants to play an archetype that actually makes them worse.

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Grick wrote:
Baridal wrote:
That is exactly why I posted this.

So what you're asking is if whoever changed the turnover for the Titan Mauler to what is currently printed really meant to do so?

No... Unless I am mistaken (and please correct me citing the proper sources if I am), the massive weapons ability was never altered. The author of the archetype neglected to give the class the ability to wield larger weapons. I'm asking someone to acknowledge the mistake in wording, that is all.

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Nalkin69 wrote:

I think i get what your saying now, so whats the point of this class if it doesnt step up the size of weapons you can use?

That is exactly why I posted this. The RAW and RAI are not the same. Please flag for FAQ and stop perpetuating the questions that have been clarified umpteen times previously.

Thanks

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Thanks Grick, but my question was not in any way directed towards the Jotungrip ability.

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The Titan Mauler archetype available for the barbarian has some often disputed abilities. I'm particularly interested in getting an FAQ/errata on the massive weapons ability. Jason Nelson has declared his intent in creating the archetype to allow the character to wield two handed weapons of size categories larger than itself, not too far away from the monkey grip feat from 3.5.

The problem with this is that the wording does not actually give the character to wield a weapon larger than itself, it merely reduces the penalties for the existing oversized weapons rule:

At 3rd level, a titan mauler becomes skilled in the use of massive weapons looted from her titanic foes. The attack roll penalty for using weapons too large for her size is reduced by 1, and this reduction increases by 1 for every three levels beyond 3rd (to a minimum of 0).
This ability replaces trap sense.

With this wording, this is an ability that would never be used. Attempting to utilize this ability would actually be a detriment to the character. A medium sized character could wield a medium greatsword (2d6)with no penalty, or a large longsword (2d6) at a -1 penalty at level 3. Again, at level 9 the penalties are reduced further, so that a medium sized character could wield a huge shortsword (2d6) two handed at a -1 penalty to attack.

The Titan Mauler's Massive Weapons ability is an overall detriment to the character as replaces Trap Sense, an ability that actually has functionality. I'm requesting that some FAQ or Errata can be posted on this class archetype. Firstly to clear up the confusion on this ability, a quick search will show that this question has been asked many times over, showing that the wording of this ability does contradict its intention. Secondly it is my hope that any official response to this ability would make this archetype useful.

If you read this post please flag it for FAQ, thanks.

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Thanks for the responses. That makes enough sense, I was just hoping that I could tailor this prestige class to suit my character a little better. Oh well, everything is always about compromise.

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The Dragon Disciple class grants you a bloodline.

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I am building a bard that will eventually prestige into the Dragon Disciple class. The question that I present is this: may I use the linnorm wildblooded bloodline for the purposes of this class without first taking a level of sorcerer?